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Kiev proposed to recognize the Soviet period as "communist occupation"

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Ukraine should recognize the period of stay in the USSR "occupation" and adopt laws that would fix the succession of the current state of the traditions of the Ukrainian People's Republic (UNR), reports TASS statement by the head of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory, Vladimir Vyatrovich.




Next year we just have a number of important events related to the Ukrainian revolution. It will form the public's view of the relationship between the modern Ukrainian state and the Ukrainian People’s Republic (UNR), it will determine exactly what the Soviet period was. In the end, more and more often in the political field are those theses that have been heard for a long time on historical soil. We are talking about the Soviet occupation, the establishment of the Bolshevik, then communist occupation regime,
Vyatrovich said on the Ukrainian “5 channel”.

At the same time, he believes that Kiev should demonstrate "the political and legislative steps that would give the heredity of the Ukrainian statehood from 1917-1921 to the modern state." According to the historian, 2017 the year "marks the centenary of the beginning of Bolshevik aggression."

Recall that in May 2015, Ukraine already has a law on so-called decommunization. He suggests, in particular, the renaming of topographic objects, named in honor of Soviet statesmen.

According to the deputy director of the Center for Ukrainian Studies and Belarussian Studies at Moscow State University named after M. Lomonosov Bogdan Bezpalko, Vyatrovich’s words fit into the framework of the nationalist mythology of Ukraine, because the current ideologists of the Ukrainian state do not want a continuity from the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR).

I doubt that in this situation it will be possible in any way logically, in the sense of conscientiously and benignly tying the current Ukraine to the Ukrainian People's Republic. Moreover, the Ukrainian People’s Republic itself was a very ephemeral entity, which serious historians do not see as the experience of Ukraine’s statehood,
The expert noted.

In fact, all these ideas are myths that are simply designed to form an anti-Russian consciousness of a nationalistic character among the people of Ukraine and justify the very idea of ​​independence, which actually turns out to be extremely destructive to everything: the economy, science, culture, simple living standards and well-being of people who live in Ukraine
he explained.
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 7 January 2018 13: 42
    +8
    Again poop on their history ... and Hohland historically is literally three areas from the current ...
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 7 January 2018 13: 52
      30
      The Ukrainian People’s Republic - it was a very ephemeral formation that serious historians do not consider as the experience of the statehood of Ukraine,

      Ukraine is considered only as a springboard for harming Russia and a supplier of cheap resources, and they Ukrainians all think about their "greatness"
      fellow
      Slobozhanschina, Novorossiya Welcome Home to Russia! About the wretched Crimea do not even stutter. laughing
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 7 January 2018 14: 42
        +8
        The fact that they are stupid redneck said directly to the point and this can not be changed.
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        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 7 January 2018 15: 08
          +7
          Quote: lexus

          Very accurately noticed ...


          there’s almost nobody to read and understand this in Ukraine ... it’s scary to lose your life, but it’s even worse to lose your memory ...
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          2. mig29mks
            mig29mks 7 January 2018 17: 55
            +1
            I kind of cited these verses as an argument on the site’s website, I was nearly killed at a distance)))) and I was proving that Simonenko didn’t write this, not his style, that we wrote all this to compromise him in the eyes of wide Ukrainians) )))
      3. Pancir026
        Pancir026 7 January 2018 18: 01
        +1
        "Ukraine should be ready to abandon Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Donbass and other territories transferred to it in Soviet times if it recognizes the period of being a part of the USSR as occupation," said the chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs Leonid Kalashnikov (Communist Party). in the mouth of water or something else and keep quiet.
        All the other EP.SR and LDPR on this occasion scored water in their mouths or something else and kept quiet.
        They probably understand that they will lose if they say at least something against the will of the West.
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 7 January 2018 13: 58
      +8
      Kiev proposed to recognize the Soviet period as occupation of the USSR
      Well, they would have demolished it already and closed all TPPs, hydroelectric power stations, state district power stations, and nuclear power plants. Factories, Shipyards, research institutes, design bureaus, the Army and the Navy, etc., are all that the accursed invaders forcefully set up during the years of occupation, the timeless. Heal like in a fairy tale, all this unnecessary rubbish hangs on your feet with a heavy burden. And it does not allow you to go to a bright agricultural future. wassat
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 January 2018 14: 22
        +2
        Quote: RASKAT
        Well, they would have demolished it already and closed all TPPs, hydroelectric power stations, state district power stations, and nuclear power plants. Factories, Shipyards, research institutes, design bureaus

        The process goes and at an accelerating pace ....
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 7 January 2018 14: 31
          0
          wait, they will soon begin to blackmail the existing nuclear power plants
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 January 2018 14: 52
            0
            Quote: Overlock
            wait, they will soon begin to blackmail the existing nuclear power plants

            They ALREADY do it. It is enough to recall the history of the construction of the new "shelter" of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Too often they went to "unscheduled" stops, then one, then another reactor. Still, a little and they will start asking for help from the IAEA
            1. RASKAT
              RASKAT 7 January 2018 15: 10
              +1
              I also wonder WHERE does the IAEA look in Ukraine? Where are the commissions, where are the accident reports for the Ukrainian NPP. Where are the measures and control for the repair, modernization, extension of the terms of the Reactors. For example, 11.12.2017 according to the plan, the end of the warranty period for the operation of the 3-th unit of the Rivne NPP, something like it was not visible repair work? On 2-14-2018 years, there were about 6-ty blocks in need of repair. Was there a repair in fact? Didn’t I hear about this?
        2. 210ox
          210ox 7 January 2018 16: 03
          0
          You think that soon. Here it is ... It’s already the fourth year and it’s all floating. And it will be floating. Such is the law of physics ..
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: RASKAT
          Well, they would have demolished it already and closed all TPPs, hydroelectric power stations, state district power stations, and nuclear power plants. Factories, Shipyards, research institutes, design bureaus

          The process goes and at an accelerating pace ....
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 January 2018 16: 09
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            You think that soon. Here it is ... It’s already the fourth year and it’s all floating. And it will be floating. Such is the law of physics ..

            Floating "it" can arbitrarily, but without ...
            TPP, hydroelectric power station, state district power station, nuclear power plant. Factories, Shipyards, research institutes, design bureaus
      2. Hoc vince
        Hoc vince 7 January 2018 14: 35
        +4
        Judging by how they lived .. - Ukraine occupied the USSR ..
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT 7 January 2018 14: 57
          +1
          The video is a little old but almost lost its relevance.
      3. captain
        captain 7 January 2018 14: 54
        +1
        Quote: RASKAT
        Kiev proposed to recognize the Soviet period as occupation of the USSR
        Well, they would have demolished it already and closed all TPPs, hydroelectric power stations, state district power stations, and nuclear power plants. Factories, Shipyards, research institutes, design bureaus, the Army and the Navy, etc., are all that the accursed invaders forcefully set up during the years of occupation, the timeless. Heal like in a fairy tale, all this unnecessary rubbish hangs on your feet with a heavy burden. And it does not allow you to go to a bright agricultural future. wassat

        Dear RASKAT. And who asked to build? And at whose expense did they build? I will prompt just in case; built at the expense of the peoples inhabiting the RSFSR. Moreover, the peoples of Russia were not all equal before the CPSU. For example, some republics of the North Caucasus were much more even; than Russians, Tatars, Mari, Kalmyks, Yakuts, etc. But I wonder what party tried to build at the expense of the RSFSR? Maybe the Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, Trudoviks, anarchists .... or the CPSU? And for what Russian was such a dislike of the CPSU? Apparently the leadership of the CPSU studied well the work of Lenin on the national question. Lenin proposed to do everything at the expense of "der ... Jimord." So he called the Russians.
    3. LSA57
      LSA57 7 January 2018 14: 15
      +3
      Quote: Shura Perm
      Again poop on their story ...

      yeah ... the farther into the forest the more broken wood
      1. figwam
        figwam 7 January 2018 14: 22
        +2
        We are talking about the Soviet occupation, the establishment of the Bolshevik, then communist occupation regime

        Then you can present an illegal exit from the USSR, separatism and the occupation of Crimea.
      2. svp67
        svp67 7 January 2018 14: 53
        +3
        Quote: LSA57
        yeah ... the farther into the forest the more broken wood

        And broken human lives ...
    4. alekc73
      alekc73 7 January 2018 17: 17
      0
      It’s disgusting to comment on the nonsense of the current Ukrainian authorities. Although hundreds of examples can be given that the USSR gave to Ukraine and its people.
  2. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 7 January 2018 13: 42
    24
    Then let them return the lands donated by the Soviet Union.
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 7 January 2018 13: 54
      11
      And also the lands of the Russian Empire. I have no words ! Failed such land. Svidomye .... .... .... I hope you understand me!
    2. allaykbar
      allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 04
      +5
      kkakoy Ukrainian gave everything there. They will not be allowed a mile to go public administration.

      Chubat taboo on public debt. Let the Russian army realize their organizational skills. The state is not given to them to build
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 7 January 2018 14: 27
        +6
        Quote: allaykbar
        kkakoy Ukrainian gave everything there. They will not be allowed a mile to go public administration.

        Colleague hi But many people miss the management of such a Ukrainian, however. hi But before this Ukrainian, he ruled another, for which he received a kick in 1964. hi
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 7 January 2018 16: 03
          0
          Quote: vovanpain
          But before this Ukrainian, he ruled another, for which he received a kick in 1964.

          But it’s nothing that the “other” one answered the USA with the creation of atomic and thermonuclear bombs, which prevented the war, began space exploration, “relocated people from barracks and communal apartments to“ Khrushchev’s “- separate housing for the family, restored industry after the war, fed the people .. .. and he stayed in power for only 11 years, so think with your head before writing about kicks.
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 7 January 2018 17: 44
            +5
            Quote: E_V_N
            So think with your head before writing about kicks

            Yeah, where should I think, the head is designed for what would be in it laughing Crimea because crests do not need to convey a lot of mind, as well as the fact that the development
            Quote: E_V_N
            that that "other" answered the US with the creation of atomic and thermonuclear bombs

            started before that "other", maybe academician Kurchatov remember, and maybe remember who initiated the development?
            Quote: E_V_N
            began space exploration ", relocated people from barracks and communal apartments to" Khrushchev "- a separate housing for the family, restored the industry after the war, fed the people ....

            Penex 1945 to 1953 neither industry was reconstructed in the USSR, nor housing was built, the peoples of the USSR did not feed, I'm sorry for being blunt, you don’t be offended, but from your comment I took a long laugh. And space exploration began long before anyone
            in power spent only 11 years
            For your health, I’ll drink an old cynic, for a long time no one had fun with me. Merry Christmas to you. drinks hi
        2. onix757
          onix757 7 January 2018 16: 23
          0
          During their reign, they received AvtoVAZ, KAMAZ and the Satan product (which they still haven’t cut despite Ukrainian origin)
      2. Stas Snezhin
        Stas Snezhin 7 January 2018 15: 09
        +1
        Recognize officially ukrov monkeys,
        Well, to the extreme, incapacitated ..
    3. Vita vko
      Vita vko 7 January 2018 14: 15
      +5
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      let them return the lands donated by the Soviet Union

      It is high time for us to stop this spineless policy regarding the openly hostile regime in Ukraine. Nothing that they will not return on their own if Russia itself does not make efforts to return its land. The fact that it was possible to return the Crimea could not be called a miracle. But as they say, "hope for a miracle, but don’t be too bad."
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 7 January 2018 14: 18
        +5
        I would not say that the policy is completely "spineless", but still it is necessary to move, I agree.

        Personally, I see that Ukraine is heading to the point that it is necessary to trade in its own territory, so that it would not finally bend.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 7 January 2018 14: 41
          0
          Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
          the point that you have to trade in your own territory, so that you don’t finally bend

          This is not a point, but the IMF demand, which is part of the American plan for the genocide of the local population with the subsequent accession of Ukraine to the United States as a state for the resettlement of Americans from the eastern, seismically dangerous coast.
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General 7 January 2018 15: 52
            +4
            Empty cities in China are not just. But Ukraine will be torn sooner or later.
    4. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 7 January 2018 14: 21
      0
      There would be to deal with our wards, I do not know fake or not,
      1. allaykbar
        allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 27
        +3
        Our President does not bast and did the right thing that he did not get into this cesspool. They impose sanctions. Crazy

        It’s good that I didn’t go there as a volunteer when I really wanted to. Ukrainian pass can not help. In life, do not help.

        At a certain point, you can help with a specific matter - but you cannot get any gratitude from Ukraine.

        All the same, the Supreme looks into the essence and is not amenable to emotions.
      2. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 7 January 2018 14: 28
        +3
        No, nonsense. Donetsk goods with us, ours, Lugansk, with them. Here are just some of the points that confuse customs inspection and the presence of DNR products inscription "Made in Ukraine". We have long been made in the LPR.
        1. allaykbar
          allaykbar 7 January 2018 14: 31
          +2
          the presence of DNR products the inscription "Made in Ukraine". We have long been made in the LPR.


          I think this is to increase sales in Ukraine. Still stubborn, most of the population - the DNI sticker provokes their popol. Entrepreneurs are happy for the sale. But for ordinary people, these are jobs. In general, I think in the place of an entrepreneur, if you sat down with a calculator - the DPR is certainly cool - but you need a sales market and you need to sell goods
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General 7 January 2018 14: 41
            +3
            Selling goods to \ to Ukraine is another hemorrhoid. I heard that Natsik take about 100k hryvnia from the truck just like that, for travel, and this is a lot.
            It’s easier to trade with Russia.
            1. allaykbar
              allaykbar 7 January 2018 15: 21
              +2
              the entrepreneur lays these 100 k in the value of the goods. Natsik just eat their people.
              1. Sands Careers General
                Sands Careers General 7 January 2018 15: 48
                +3
                May be. But this is now, before robbed more seriously. It seems to have come to a consensus.

                But it’s better to deal with Russia.

                It’s good that I didn’t go there as a volunteer when I really wanted to.


                Where is it going? To \ to Ukraine or to the Republic?
                1. allaykbar
                  allaykbar 7 January 2018 17: 05
                  +2
                  in the republic of course. I am very squeamish about Ukraine and here it is clearly visible that it is on the side of evil, together with its population
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 7 January 2018 13: 44
    +5
    He who has forgotten his past has no future. Vyatrovich is generally inadequate. Such pearls are pushed that only one place in the psychiatric hospital comes to mind ...
  4. pvv113
    pvv113 7 January 2018 13: 45
    +4
    statement by the head of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory, Vladimir Vyatrovich.

    This is some kind of crazy idea generator
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 7 January 2018 14: 14
      +3
      Quote: pvv113
      This is some kind of crazy idea generator

      yes there is all glad such and the whole government. I’m silent about the magazine. only discussed yesterday
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 7 January 2018 14: 21
        +1
        Honestly, I already stopped wondering
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 7 January 2018 15: 42
          +6
          Volodya, do not be surprised. Somewhere I read that international law recognizes the borders of 1914. Question: What will remain of present Ukraine if we legally take the bull by the horns?
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 7 January 2018 15: 59
            +2
            Hello, Glory! Merry Christmas! The borders of 1914 also impress me. Yes, and then there was no Ukraine at all
  5. VAGNER
    VAGNER 7 January 2018 13: 47
    13
    The Westerners no longer know how to attract the West’s attention and anger Russia ... But the Russians silently clean the Kalashnikovs to shine .. And they are waiting for the order! (goals have long been distributed.)
    Run to Canada lads, etc. , there will be no mercy for you ..
    You made a bloody and financial business there 100 years ahead ..! Yaytsenyuk, he immediately smelled, etc.
    1. allaykbar
      allaykbar 7 January 2018 13: 59
      +9
      I’m not ready to go there as an adventurer as a volunteer or a mercenary, but in the ranks of the RF Armed Forces having the order of the Commander-in-Chief - I can say I’m even waiting for the agenda. This shit needs to be raked, and the most odious to shoot without trial when trying to escape.

      It’s oskatinit of course - but it's worth it. My children should not hear about a country like Ukraine.
    2. Grits
      Grits 8 January 2018 07: 48
      +1
      Junior Lieutenant VAGNER, why do you change statehood so often? stop already swearing change.
      1. VAGNER
        VAGNER 8 January 2018 10: 08
        +3
        Quote: Gritsa
        Junior Lieutenant VAGNER, why do you change statehood so often? stop already swearing change.

        Sorry men, but these are circumstances beyond my control .. I have the honor!
  6. K-50
    K-50 7 January 2018 13: 48
    +7
    Kiev proposed to recognize the Soviet period as occupation of the USSR

    Get lost !!!! drinks good
    And now return all the lands that were received during this occupation and return all the funds that were thrown into the economy during this !!!!
    Also, do not forget to pay a penalty for the benefit received from the operation of the territory transferred to you !!!
    We are waiting for the sss !!! laughing
  7. Tusv
    Tusv 7 January 2018 13: 49
    +1
    Or maybe the border along the Dnieper? And you are not respected. On all four pages. One foot there another in Toronto
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 January 2018 13: 49
    +1
    Lord, what kind of crap they feed there ?!
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 7 January 2018 13: 51
      0
      Quote: Captive
      Lord, what kind of crap are they feeding there?

      They can still smoke and smell something. what
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 7 January 2018 18: 50
      0
      Quote: Captive
      Lord, what kind of crap they feed there ?!


      I'm interested too. Spire then!
    3. Grits
      Grits 8 January 2018 07: 51
      +1
      Lord, what kind of crap they feed there ?!
      TVs
  9. polpot
    polpot 7 January 2018 13: 51
    +2
    We also forgot the lawsuit against the Mongols for the burning of Kiev in the 1240 year, and interest dribbled
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 7 January 2018 14: 17
      +3
      Quote: polpot
      We also forgot the lawsuit against the Mongols for the burning of Kiev in the 1240 year, and interest dribbled

      You will laugh, but there was already such a resolution of the Parliament demanding compensation. In 2015, if memory fails.
      Chairman Khurala Zandaahuugiyn Enkhbold called the resolution of the Ukrainian parliament “the propaganda cliché of Ukraine regarding Mongolia.”
      Quote: “The world did not know and never heard of any Ukrainian nation, especially in the era of the heirs of the Great Temujin. Millions of dead Ukrainians in the 13th century are the fruit of the unhealthy imagination of Ukrainian deputies. Mongolia is ready to indemnify for the capture of Kiev by Batu Khan, but only to the victims, or to members of their families. We look forward to hearing the full list of victims. ”
    2. Grits
      Grits 8 January 2018 07: 54
      +1
      We also forgot the lawsuit against the Mongols for the burning of Kiev in the 1240 year, and interest dribbled
      And to the Khazars, Polovtsy, Poles, Turks, Swedes and Germans will be suits? Well this is Klondike easy!
  10. sergevonsohrn
    sergevonsohrn 7 January 2018 13: 53
    +4
    Well, to health! on the basis of this "law", Russia has the right to regain Novorossiya, Slobodanism and the Donbass, as territories illegally torn away by the Bolsheviks from Russia and transferred to the Ussr! and this is half the territory of today's Ukraine ... and direct access to the Crimea and Transnistria!
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 7 January 2018 14: 02
      +1
      In fact, the name of our country - Russia, at least, could write with a capital letter am
  11. bald
    bald 7 January 2018 13: 57
    +5
    While this handful of geeks (accomplices of Nazism, Bandera) will be in power, clogging the brains of those whose grandfathers and women fought in the Second World War - such nonsense will continue. Nor will there be any peace or rest in Russia. Do not take captive iron up to Poland itself.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 7 January 2018 16: 14
      +1
      The most interesting thing is that fascism is blooming in Russia in brown. In fact, scold your reflection in the mirror. No.
      1. bald
        bald 7 January 2018 16: 34
        0
        Yes, we have enough of this infection. Normal youth do not like them. They won’t go out into the streets - the authorities are quickly bending.
  12. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 7 January 2018 13: 58
    +2
    to return everything that was received during the occupation .... after all, they began to give back ....
  13. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 7 January 2018 13: 58
    +4
    It’s disgusting to watch our boyars ... They spit in their faces, and they pretend that they do not understand what it is ... it may rain ...
    Maybe it's time to start deploying funds to respond to all the dirty tricks of Bandera’s power?
    And remember everything! And the territory, and acts in the Second World War, and the method of coming to power in 2014! And so ask them to get to Kiev! And do not care that they will chug in the west ... Some have already been FORCED to the world on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, and these to be forced to the RUSSIAN WORLD !!!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 7 January 2018 14: 06
      +6
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Maybe it's time to start deploying funds to respond to all the dirty tricks of Bandera’s power?

      What for? Ukraine simply drifts smoothly towards the Baltic states (those, like, have already recognized all this).
      What did it result in for the Baltic states, recall? They were a showcase of the Union, but they became behind ... backside ... backyards of Europe, during wink
      Quote: Hurricane70
      They spit in their face, and they pretend that they do not understand what it is ...

      You are too ... emotional, IMHO.
      For example, everything that happens reminds me of two Krylov’s fables at once: about Moska and about Vaska laughing
      PS: in the role of the Pug - Ukraine, in the role of Vaska - the Russian Federation.
    2. Grits
      Grits 8 January 2018 07: 58
      0
      I like the term "Coercion to the Russian world"
  14. HMR333
    HMR333 7 January 2018 14: 00
    +3
    how can you occupy something that was not there and what the USSR itself created))))
  15. Herculesic
    Herculesic 7 January 2018 14: 01
    +4
    Then just break with the "period of occupation", return to the "invaders" the territories that they received from them! Return all industrial production, medicine, culture, science, education - return to the Bronze Age, and forget our Russian language!
  16. iouris
    iouris 7 January 2018 14: 03
    0
    The Russian Federation was also occupied by the USSR?
  17. Dimmih
    Dimmih 7 January 2018 14: 06
    +4
    Common sense ideologues-dill ideologists should erect a monument to the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union: Joseph received the gift of Lvov Vissarionych Lvov from the Poles and slaughtered Ukraine, Nikita-kukuruznik-Crimea. Yes, and before Joseph and after Kukuruznik, a fair number of party and government leaders were ukrovodtsy, and they did not forget their small homeland ..... So they’ll agree so that they will have to return everything by belonging and all of Ukraine will fit on the island of Khortytsya ....
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 7 January 2018 14: 36
      +3

      yes, gorgeous gifts, but it’s not like horse feed
    2. E_V_N
      E_V_N 7 January 2018 16: 15
      0
      Quote: Dimmih
      So they’ll agree to the point that they will have to return everything by belonging and all of Ukraine will fit on the island of Khortytsya ....

      I wish the inhabitants of the island of Khortytsa would be surprised in those distant times, tell them that they are "Ukrainians"
      1. Dimmih
        Dimmih 8 January 2018 14: 10
        0
        And how would they be surprised if they offered Christmas to be celebrated on the Catholic calendar and kneel before the Uniate bishops ..... Yes, and also to hold a gay parade in Sich, it would be an apotheosis of tolerance!
  18. Terenin
    Terenin 7 January 2018 14: 06
    +5
    ... statement by the head of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory Vladimir Vyatrovich... Vyatrovich, you’re like in that song “something happened to your memory, everything that wasn’t with you ...” You are all so smart that you have a memory - no, it’s it that has you.
  19. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 7 January 2018 14: 10
    +2
    Well, go ahead! Decommunize and get rid of the gifts of the "occupation" regime in the form of Galicia, Volhynia, Transcarpathia, Northern Bukovina, Donbass, New Russia and Crimea, stupid pots! The Poles are already eagerly rubbing their hands, waiting for the return of Galicia and Volhynia, the Hungarians - in anticipation of Transcarpathia, the Romanians - in anticipation of Northern Bukovina. Well, I'm just losing weight from pots! Yes, they should idolize Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev, and all Soviet power, under which they skated like cheese in oil, and the people in the RSFSR starved in favor of the "brothers", if only they lived satisfying! That is OK! Whoever forgets history, history cruelly punishes those! Soon from 404 there will be only 5-6 areas near Kiev.
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 7 January 2018 14: 17
    +3
    Let them try! This will practically legitimize the territorial claims of not only Russians, but also Poles, Romanians and Hungarians. Then it will be more interesting, it will be necessary to justify abandonment of its past and the inclusion of new territory at the same time. Interestingly, the occupied territories under the occupation expanded?
  21. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 January 2018 14: 28
    +2
    They showed clearly to everyone that they were not worthy to occupy the lands that were given to them. So they will lose them. wassat and Nazism must be condemned.
  22. Overlock
    Overlock 7 January 2018 14: 30
    +2
    in obvious order, the Yankees will reformat Ukraine into a bridgehead against Russia. Minsk-2 comes out sideways. Failures of our services in Ukraine will cost the country dearly. This is the result of the work of the "outstanding diplomats" Chernomyrdin and Zurabov. Personal business and nothing more.
  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 7 January 2018 14: 30
    +1
    In short, we went along the path of probalts.
    Well, they are also waiting for the cutoff of transit and other goodies.
    And not to mention huge debts and loans to everyone,
    which are already there. We are not talking about the collapse in social programs and industry.
    Wonderful people ...
  24. Overlock
    Overlock 7 January 2018 14: 32
    +1
    Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
    Personally, I see that Ukraine is heading to the point that it is necessary to trade in its own territory, so that it would not finally bend.

    do not wait. They will crawl, but the Yankees will kiss their hands. It's a long time
  25. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 7 January 2018 14: 34
    +2
    What else remains, they are much more frightened of recognizing the truth: a Ukrainian is a place of residence, at best, an estate attribute (Zaporizhzhya Cossacks)
  26. Dormidont
    Dormidont 7 January 2018 14: 40
    +2
    Everything goes to rid the outskirts of the Slavic occupation
  27. serge siberian
    serge siberian 7 January 2018 14: 54
    +2
    Let them first give away Kiev, Odessa, and other cities. Having left their border towns and set there only, they are closer to the Poles of their banderlogs.
  28. anjey
    anjey 7 January 2018 14: 54
    +2
    Ukraine’s independence, it’s a sick idea to fix it - it never happened in history and never thinks — Byzantium, Tatar-Mongols, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Poland, Russia, Germany several times, the USSR, and now it’s trying to lie beautifully under the Americanized West .. .
  29. Berkut24
    Berkut24 7 January 2018 14: 54
    +6
    I propose declaring the occupation of the stay of "Ukrainians" on the native Russian land.
  30. turbris
    turbris 7 January 2018 14: 54
    +2
    And it’s no longer interesting to hear about sick people in Ukraine every time, there are too many of them divorced, especially in the authorities. The president, who is “fighting” with Russia all the time, already in the EU and NATO is laughing at it, but he can’t admit that he is at war with the people of Donbass. Well, while Bender is a hero, they don’t want to hear anything about this power in Ukraine.
  31. demo
    demo 7 January 2018 15: 06
    +2
    At the same time, he believes that Kiev should demonstrate "the political and legislative steps that would give the heredity of the Ukrainian statehood from 1917-1921 to the modern state." According to the historian, 2017 the year "marks the centenary of the beginning of Bolshevik aggression."

    It would be better for Ukraine to calculate the total number of years when it was someone else's protectorate, colony, region.
    Look at the fact that at one time or another it was good for her. And look at how much she had that very independence and evaluate.
    Weigh what "occupation" gave her and that independence.
    Although a slave by nature will never begin to praise his liberator.
    He has a noose around his neck and a whip on his back a mile.
    Here are geeks.
    I recalled the numerous facts of the abolition of the slave system in the United States and how slaves attacked their liberators. And how enthusiastically licked the feet of their masters.
    Ukrainians are probably the same slaves in the shower. They need a host. Austrian, Pole, German, American.
    Those. one who will flog on stables on Fridays for prevention.
  32. ando_bor
    ando_bor 7 January 2018 15: 11
    0
    Yes, that’s why Ukrainians also have slavish nature at the genetic level, because it’s an eternal occupation, the invaders are only changing.
  33. Overlock
    Overlock 7 January 2018 15: 14
    0
    Quote: captain
    I will prompt just in case; built at the expense of the peoples inhabiting the RSFSR.

    was the case. Before, clearly along the road it was possible to determine where you are? now leveled off
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  35. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 7 January 2018 15: 50
    +1
    Yes and figs with them. Gadgets recognized 20 years ago. So what? Has something changed for the Russian Federation? Nothing. Let everyone fly to Venus.
    1. onix757
      onix757 7 January 2018 15: 55
      0
      Yes, in general, nothing has changed, with the exception of the little things as they legalized the right to demand indemnity
  36. onix757
    onix757 7 January 2018 15: 51
    +2
    But what did Putin expect when he recognized the pro-American regime in Ukraine in the 14th year? They themselves slapped Ukraine and apparently, sooner or later, they would have to return there with an open visor, but a well-trained and armed army would already confront us. And you can scream as much as you want us to Ukraine side. No, it's not like that .. there are our people, our land has scientific and technical potential.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 7 January 2018 16: 35
      0
      Your people Russia, which does not care about their own citizens and their own potential, suddenly began to worry about the fate of other nations?
      1. onix757
        onix757 7 January 2018 16: 44
        0
        We are an empire only together
        1. Ronald Reagan
          Ronald Reagan 7 January 2018 18: 52
          0
          As history has shown, nobody needs an empire, and in the pursuit of the unknown you can lose everything. Learn from the mistakes of Germany.
          1. onix757
            onix757 7 January 2018 19: 00
            0
            The problem is that the Russian Federation has already lost everything. There is nowhere else ... complete degradation.
            1. Ronald Reagan
              Ronald Reagan 8 January 2018 02: 14
              +1
              2 times over the past 100 years, the Russian cabinet fell loudly. The reasons are the same - unwillingness to deal with internal problems. Maybe stop walking in a circle? wink
  37. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 7 January 2018 16: 22
    0
    Well, that's why Crimea is gone. What has been done during the USSR is invalid. Power plants, factories, Western Ukraine, at home - demolish. Turchin - to prison (Komsomol scoop) and other, other.
    Shot, hohlyatsky, American turd!
  38. Wolka
    Wolka 7 January 2018 16: 57
    0
    but the catastrophic ignorance of ukro-patriots is more and more discouraged, but not so much the same ...
  39. DPN
    DPN 7 January 2018 18: 47
    +1
    A bad idea is contagious, but we also fought with the Soviet past, and even now they often curse on TV / shows so nothing is strange. To hell with them, we ourselves would figure it out.
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 8 January 2018 08: 10
      0
      Yes. And now the same thing continues. Only one thing is done by the opposition, the other is by the government, the third by United Russia, the fourth by the Russian Orthodox Church, the fifth, sixth, seventh ... To whom does the Mausoleum interfere, to whom is the red flag of Victory, to whom is Stalin ... And then - to infinity. Both Darwin - to ban, and Astronomy - to cancel, to drive education into the Bologna system, the priority of the Motherland - to cancel (see the Constitution) and replace with international priority, the Bank is subordinated to the Fed. Natural resources of the people: subsoil, land, forests, air - to be taken from the people and sold to anyone without hitting, like previously popular enterprises. And how do we differ from Ukraine?
      And the fact that Russia ran from 1991 to October 1993 with the execution of parliament under the applause of the State Department, the CIA and the White House. But Ukraine is somehow writhing: there is no unity that the “dear Russians” had in 1993
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  41. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 7 January 2018 22: 40
    0
    And I propose that this period be recognized as Ukrainian occupation; in the USSR, Ukrainians were unmeasured.
  42. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 8 January 2018 00: 09
    0
    Morons, however ...
  43. gerkost2012
    gerkost2012 8 January 2018 00: 32
    0
    Apparently, this statement is not accidental. Obviously, the Washington host pushed his knee in the ass - "start"! Since it is simply ridiculous to declare the Russian Federation an aggressor, because it is necessary to declare war, in Kiev they decided to start from the events of very old times, that is, from 1917. Nobody will stop them from passing another law recognizing the RSFSR and the USSR as the aggressor and then file a petition to the International Court with a demand from Russia, as the successor of the USSR, compensation. By the way, not the fact that this court will refuse them. Most likely, on the contrary, these delusional requirements will satisfy. Kiev has no money, the EU doesn’t get rich either, it seems they don’t have time to plug financial holes. So they will try to put these parasites on the neck of Russia. Russia will refuse to recognize this decision, which means it does not comply with the court’s decision, impose new sanctions and fines against it. By the way, this Kiev fuss began after the EU attack on Russia over the ban on the import of pork from EU countries.
  44. RECORHE
    RECORHE 8 January 2018 00: 46
    0
    Well, Poles, there is a chance to excel! The Russians no longer cover the "occupied". Break away in full. Scourge, dogs, sabers ... Well, as you can. Do not touch only the Russians, and everything will be in the Christmas tree.
  45. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 8 January 2018 08: 48
    0
    It’s strange. I believed that Russia was occupied by Georgia and Ukraine.
    Trotsky, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Podgorny, all sorts of members of the Politburo from the Shcherbitsky to hell knows who ... And whatever the crest, let him command Russia.
    About Transcaucasia - identity. Here you and Mikoyan with Ordzhonikidze. Here you and Dzhugashvili with Beria. Here you and the Aliyevs with Shevargadze and - all sorts of Svanidze, Yenukidze. And who only was not: Latvians (from Latsis to Pelshe and Pugo), Poles and Jews - Legion !, Magyars, Finns (by the way, Otto Vilgelmovich - a very mysterious man who raised Andropov and the whole foundation of Perestroika ...), Germans, But , I repeat, most of all were Ukrainians, Jews, Poles, Caucasians. That's who occupied Russia.
    And now the alignment is no better.
    In general, to whom the Mausoleum interferes, to whom - the red flag of Victory, to whom - Stalin ... And then - to infinity. Both Darwin - to ban, and Astronomy - to cancel, to drive education into the Bologna system, the priority of the Motherland - to cancel (see the Constitution) and replace with international priority, the Bank is subordinated to the Fed. Natural resources of the people: subsoil, land, forests, air - to be taken from the people and sold to anyone without hitting, like previously popular enterprises. And how do we differ from Ukraine?
    And the fact that Russia ran from 1991 to October 1993 with the execution of parliament under the applause of the State Department, the CIA and the White House. But Ukraine is somehow writhing: there is no unity that the “dear Russians” had in 1993
  46. prior
    prior 8 January 2018 09: 59
    0
    Vyatrovich to the presidency of Ukraine ...
    Then the races will begin, which Maidan did not know yet!
    The most Svidomo Ukrainian-psychiatry is resting.
  47. Bosch
    Bosch 9 January 2018 15: 46
    0
    For 26 years of non-seasonability, Ukrainians have turned into banderlogs. Evolution!