Thousands of servicemen of the Armed Forces meet Christmas in the temples

The press service of the Western Military District reports that about 4-x thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will celebrate Christmas in the churches of Moscow and the Moscow region. These are about three dozen different Orthodox churches, 12 of which are military.

Press office ZVO:

The servicemen of a separate commandant's Preobrazhensky regiment will take part in a festive liturgy in the main temple of the Ground Forces - in the Moscow Temple of the Transfiguration of the Lord. The gunners of the Guard Salute Division of the ZVO will celebrate Christmas in the military Temple of John the Warrior, located on the territory of the unit. For the officers and soldiers of the Kantemirovsky tank, Taman motorized rifle troops and Sevastopol motorized rifle formations, the Christmas services will be held by four assistant commanders of units to work with religious servicemen in military churches or prayer rooms.

Thousands of servicemen will meet Orthodox Christmas in other regions of Russia. Thus, the soldiers of the radio-technical unit of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will take part in the Christmas prayer service in the Spaso-Preobrazhensky monastery of Valaam.

From the material:

All military personnel of a separate radar company of ZVO were drafted into the Armed Forces in 2017, and in the same year they were accepted as novices of the Valaam Monastery. Two of them are seminarians.

This is a unique unit, in which since 1995, it is the novices of the monastery who serve not only for military and other military training, but also church services.

Comments

[poquello]

and in Europe they refuse Christmas, seriously read here, I'm in shock

[siberalt]

Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

[Fitter65]

Quote: siberalt

Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What is wrong here

If only in dismissal when there is no money.

[svp67]

Quote: siberalt

Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

You shouldn’t be so. There are many other rooms for warming up. Many go to the Temple, with the unit, and not at all under compulsion. But even if they come in to warm up, then they will not refuse, maybe someone’s body will start to HEAT with the body.

[Fitter65]

Quote: svp67

You shouldn’t be so. There are many other rooms for warming up. Many go to the Temple, with the unit, and not at all under compulsion.

Yeah, as soon as the company’s work order announced, even the Mohammedans flee to the temple to pray. It’s good that we don’t have such an almshouse.

[Terenin]

As the saying goes, do not renounce prison and from the bag. An almshouse is God's shelter for the poor ...

[poquello]

Quote: poquello

and in Europe they refuse Christmas, seriously read here, I'm in shock

Quote: siberalt

Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

Sorry, I didn’t catch the connection.
Christmas is our holiday - and the more it is, the better, well, European Christians also had their truth. The keyword was, pigeons in the governments of Europe remove Christianity from the holidays.

[Hoc vince]

"... seriously read here, I'm in shock .."
“In Britain, they were the first to offer, without waiting for cultural clashes, to simply congratulate each other on a“ seasonal holiday ”instead of wishes for a merry Christmas or New Year, and call all events and fairs simply“ winter joys ”.
2018 Irish Catholic Priest Desmond O'Donnell on the eve of Christmas Eve urged all Christians to abandon the use of the word "Christmas."

[poquello]

Quote: Hoc vince

Irish Catholic priest Desmond O'Donnell on the eve of Christmas Eve urged all Christians to abandon the use of the word "Christmas."

what am I talking about if he was alone

[Hoc vince]

Cancel Christmas in a separate city:
The official representative of the local government of Kokkedal (Denmark), the Turks Ismail Mestazi, said that most of the townspeople are already Muslims. And he, as a representative of the Muslim majority, expresses his will with his decision, and he himself is not eager to take part in organizing a Christian holiday, alien to his culture and religion.

[poquello]

Quote: Hoc vince

Cancel Christmas in a separate city:
The official representative of the local government of Kokkedal (Denmark), the Turks Ismail Mestazi, said that most of the townspeople are already Muslims. And he, as a representative of the Muslim majority, expresses his will with his decision, and he himself is not eager to take part in organizing a Christian holiday, alien to his culture and religion.

this is a normal example, if the majority comes to the point that one or two other people of other faiths in the crowd and Christianity is going on, tolerance is damn - it would be better for them under the Chinese, even in something freer)))

[Hoc vince]

In Bethlehem, the car in which the Patriarch of Jerusalem Theophilus III was located was stoned. This was reported by Ma'an.

[poquello]

Quote: Hoc vince

In Bethlehem, the car in which the Patriarch of Jerusalem Theophilus III was located was stoned. This was reported by Ma'an.

chips from the "ingenious" decision of the US Congress, voiced by trump

[Serg65]

Quote: siberalt

Soldiers go to the temple in the winter.

It’s you who mixed up with Lennakomnaya, it was there that you went to bask and shamanize a demobilization album!

[Varyag_0711]

sibiralt Today, 14:46 ↑ New
Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

When I was in the service, they were basking in guards, lodges or dryers, and now it’s like that. Yes, and we met Christmas in dresses or guards, and not in the temple. I’m wondering, but if there is any state of emergency, or don’t bring a war at all, how long will these soldiers run to arms?
They turned the army into a booth some. The soldier should serve, and not in the church, bows his forehead with bows.

[RUSS]

Quote: Varyag_0711

They turned the army into a booth some. The soldier should serve, and not in the church, bows his forehead with bows.

Do not scuff, those who need them in the service at their posts and do not repel their foreheads with bows from the time of Peter the Great, except for the Old Believers.

[Varyag_0711]

RUSS Today, 15:59 ↑
Do not scuff, those who need them in the service at their posts and do not repel their foreheads with bows from the time of Peter the Great, except for the Old Believers.

For those who did not serve, I inform that the army is ALWAYS at the combat post. The soldier should hang up at 22-00, when will he celebrate Christmas? At this time, he should either be at the fighting post or watch the tenth dream in his bed. Or, in connection with the holiday, will the soldiers lift the next day’s lift?
And do not turn the army into horseradish into a farce; let them attend churches as much as they like on a citizen.

[RUSS]

Quote: Varyag_0711

And do not turn the army into horseradish into a farce; let them attend churches as much as they like on a citizen.

The booth in your head

[Maksus]

Have you heard anything about layoffs? They seem to be, and even, oh horror, per diem. As someone wants and spends, not everyone is like some vodka fermented.

[vladfill]

Why not take part in the Sabbath, if Garant himself acts as a candlestick
yes against the handle shaggy, patriarchal, leaning ...

[RUSS]

Quote: siberalt

Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

Is it hard for you to accept that most servicemen come to the temple from the bottom of their hearts?

[User]

It’s hard for me to accept that some people on the Internet present their fantasies as an indisputable fact.

[zloybond]

bad? actually remember we are standing in the ranks .... three hundred people - about 50 Muslims. And then they deduce how the servant of the sect of the Russian Orthodox Church was led by us - well, actually, he should give everyone a dmk and water. Muslims stand dumbfounded ... and horseradish vyaknesh - the minister stands, the head of the Academy ... In short. why did I tell all this. A sect is a voluntary affair - in our constitution it is. And without exception, to drive - so at least to divide ... And so ... by mutton it turns out.

[Cheldon]

Quote: zloybond

bad? actually remember we are standing in the ranks .... three hundred people - about 50 Muslims. And then they deduce how the servant of the sect of the Russian Orthodox Church was led by us - well, actually, he should give everyone a dmk and water. Muslims stand dumbfounded ... and horseradish vyaknesh - the minister stands, the head of the Academy ... In short. why did I tell all this. A sect is a voluntary affair - in our constitution it is. And without exception, to drive - so at least to divide ... And so ... by mutton it turns out.

If there is no God, but I believe in Him, I lose nothing. But if God is, but I do not believe in Him, I lose everything. (Blaise Pascal)

[zloybond]

do not hammer your head. don't complicate the simple. simplify the complex. Muslims had to say this before sprinkling them. I also jumped smartly out of the couch

[Dalailama]

look what a sect is, then do not use this word out of place.
if someone was against it, it was necessary not to remain silent, but to turn to the commander with a hand under the visor.

[zloybond]

to the minister of defense? Well, shoot yourself just like that then))))
about the sect:
- the concept of "sect" does not have a clear definition. So, according to Ozhegov’s dictionary, Catholicism can be recognized as a sectarian movement within Orthodoxy (in the West our Church is called Orthodox), Islam can be attributed to Christian sects - after all, they recognize Jesus as one of the prophets and believe in one God. At the same time, according to the canons of Islam, it is the Christians, along with the Jews, who are the Muslim sect, the “people of the book”, the holders of the Scriptures (ahl al-kitab) and are not subject to forced conversion to Islam, unlike all other Homo sapiens.
From the point of view of a Buddhist, the whole world west of India is erring people who are far behind on the path to knowing the truth.
No need to turn the topic of this article into a theoretical study. I asked this question to the Patriarch once. He did not talk about it. Apparently not in vain they poke their nose into the limousine, business in temples, etc ....

[Dalailama]

why not?
It has a very clear definition, it is a closed structure, the rest you generally spit.
what was the question?

[Herculesic]

I don’t understand, the article is simply a statement of fact, or regret that Orthodoxy has not yet been killed in us and in us? ???

[poquello]

Quote: Herkulesich

I don’t understand, the article is simply a statement of fact, or regret that Orthodoxy has not yet been killed in us and in us? ???

you won’t strangle our song, you won’t kill!
Murza Chelubey was considered invincible, and Peresvet without the blessing of Sergius could not take arms, the clergy and the army should be nearby.

[vladfill]

Well then, there should be in the army both mullahs, and priests, and bonzes, and rabbis, and pastors,
and political workers, and .....

[poquello]

Quote: vladfill

Well then, there should be in the army both mullahs, and priests, and bonzes, and rabbis, and pastors,
and political workers, and .....

it was so, and now it’s going to

[vladfill]

The cheapest way to put the brackets out and make the law work: Religion is separated
from the state - the church from the school.

[poquello]

Quote: vladfill

The cheapest way to put the brackets out and make the law work: Religion is separated
from the state - the church from the school.

You mix religious coercion with the right to worship.

[RUSS]

Quote: vladfill

Well then, there should be in the army both mullahs, and priests, and bonzes, and rabbis, and pastors,

Mullahs already exist in the army as full-time employees, and from the 2000s

[Dedall]

And the last comrades in your list have long since been dismissed. If you try to ask them about something that you were doing before, they point to psychologists. Yes, and this category of citizens is now called "military educators." They even have their own holiday on the calendar. So they at one time collected money for the construction of chapels in units. I remember that half of the EDV I once gave to this business. And then our political officer built a summer house from that construction site.

[zloybond]

bad? actually remember we are standing in the ranks .... three hundred people - about 50 Muslims. And then they deduce how the servant of the sect of the Russian Orthodox Church was led by us - well, actually, he should give everyone a dmk and water. Muslims stand dumbfounded ... and horseradish vyaknesh - the minister stands, the head of the Academy ... In short. why did I tell all this. A sect is a voluntary affair - in our constitution it is. And without exception, to drive - so at least to divide ... And so ... by mutton it turns out.

[Dalailama]

Has it departed from them?

[zloybond]

in fact, disrespect for their faith was shown.

[Dalailama]

in fact, their faith in them was not written, they remained in the ranks to stand, which means they were not against it.

[zloybond]

Do not confuse officers with the crowd at the temple. And believe me, when I selected these people, many already had 3-5 years of fighting, we won’t talk on whose side.

[Dalailama]

no one confuses.

[Raphaell]

Yes, this is a feat. In the 70s I went to the polls.

[Raphaell]

In the USSR, an officer must be a communist, now an officer must be a believer.

[Doliva63]

"In the USSR, an officer must be a communist ..."

[poquello]

Quote: Rafaell

In the USSR, an officer must be a communist, now an officer must be a believer.

no one commits, but faith gives fortitude

[Tatyana]

poquello
faith gives fortitude

What faith in God gives fortitude and to whom?
It is a weak spirit that gives faith in a fairy god the so-called and fabulous "fortitude" of spirit! Strong spirit and faith in the rightness of their cause faith in God is not needed!
It’s not in vain that there is a popular proverb - “Hope for God, don’t be a badass for Asam!”

[poquello]

Quote: Tatiana

It’s not in vain that there is a popular proverb - “Hope for God, don’t be a badass for Asam!”

ett is not from that opera, here is another
"Pray not to God, but grasp the oars", both help to understand faith correctly

[Tatyana]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Tatiana

It’s not in vain that there is a popular proverb - “Hope for God, don’t be a badass for Asam!”

ett is not from that opera, here is another

Why is it "not from that opera"? Just from that one!

"Pray not to God, but grasp the oars", both help to understand faith correctly

And how does this eclecticism of yours "CORRECTly" understand faith?

[poquello]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: poquello

Quote: Tatiana

It’s not in vain that there is a popular proverb - “Hope for God, don’t be a badass for Asam!”

ett is not from that opera, here is another

Why is it "not from that opera"? Just from that one!

"Pray not to God, but grasp the oars", both help to understand faith correctly

And how does this eclecticism of yours "CORRECTly" understand faith?

faith helps a cause, but it does not replace

[Tatyana]

faith helps a cause, but it does not replace

God has nothing to do with the matter! And gods in the world a dime a dozen! And for all believers their faith is the most correct! And whoever disagrees with this, then those who believe in their god go in a religious war against those who believe in another god! How many were there in the history of religious conquest wars ?! And who sent believers to war? Their mediators between their god and those who believe in him - namely, clergy!
The Russian Orthodox Church in Russia was under the tsar the richest landowner and feudal lord with serf souls. The Russian Orthodox Church opposed the abolition of serfdom by Alexander the Liberator in Russia. And, if I am not mistaken, the Russian Orthodox Church did not oppose the abdication of Nicholas II.
Remember, the ROC, under any system, will engage in hedonism - the desire to enrich itself among believers and the state.

[poquello]

Quote: Tatiana

Remember, the ROC, under any system, will engage in hedonism - the desire to enrich itself among believers and the state.

even familiar songs

so communism is still religion

[Tatyana]

poquello
so communism is still religion

In m / l theory there are methodological errors. The hypotheses "about the future development of future communism" during the peer review of compliance with the very dialectical-materialistic method with which K. Marx supposedly built them do not correspond to him. Marx made logical errors.
The first mistake in the construction of m / l theory was made by K. Marx himself. Sometimes it seems to me that he made them intentionally. No wonder he was the grandson of two rabbis. I don’t want to talk about the ethnonational "driving force" of the coup and revolution in Russia in 1917 in the year - so everyone knows that!
But who created Christianity ethnically and why? And you are talking about some kind of “faith in communism” there!

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

No wonder he was the grandson of two rabbis.

Funny, whatever my attitude towards Marx.
The same logic is funny, about the lack of which you write in Marx.
And if he was the grandson of a rabbi?
And if he were the grandson of two ordinary Jews?
Do you understand that this is an obvious ventriloquism for everyone?

[poquello]

Quote: Tatiana

But who created Christianity ethnically and why? And you are talking about some kind of “faith in communism” there!

the very faith in a brighter future and justice on earth during life, like a pie offered to the followers of communist sects.

[Tatyana]

Flooding

Quote: Tatiana
No wonder he was the grandson of two rabbis.

Funny, whatever my attitude towards Marx.
The same logic is funny, about the lack of which you write in Marx.

Are you "amused" by the most perfect dialectical-materialistic method in philosophy, which Marx for some reason did not use in its entirety in the construction of his communist theory, but went exactly the opposite?
And what do you yourself know about diamat? Do you know all of its 12 scientific principles? Know how to use them to make logical calculations? Surely no!
By the way, it is not without reason that all dissertations written with the help of the dialectical materialist method were withdrawn and banned from being defended in the USSR back in 1986 for academic degrees. Just with the beginning of "Gorbachevschiny"! Already in the days of Gorbachev, diamat turned into the USSR / Russia and at the same time became “closed scientific technologies” so that only “initiates” could rule the world. And the people are now universally imposed on the unscientific ideological concepts of ancient religious denominations, which have come down historically to our time

And if he was the grandson of a rabbi?
And if he were the grandson of two ordinary Jews?

And the rabbis know and are more literate in politics than ordinary Jews. Didn't it cross your mind?

Do you understand that this is an obvious ventriloquism for everyone?

Well, ventriloquism is already from the realm of folk tales by authors like Gogol on New Year's Eve before Christmas!

[Tatyana]

poquello

Quote: Tatiana
But who created Christianity ethnically and why? And you are talking about some kind of “faith in communism” there!

the very faith in a brighter future and justice on earth during life, like a pie offered to the followers of communist sects.

About the ethnic composition of the founders of these sects, as you say, and why you forgot to answer!

[poquello]

Quote: Tatiana

poquello

Quote: Tatiana
But who created Christianity ethnically and why? And you are talking about some kind of “faith in communism” there!

the very faith in a brighter future and justice on earth during life, like a pie offered to the followers of communist sects.

About the ethnic composition of the founders of these sects, as you say, and why you forgot to answer!

Quote: Tatiana

But who created Christianity ethnically and why?

Christ, nationality is a carpenter.
The ethnic composition of the initiators of the communist as well as most sects is local, the difference from most sects is the legend of Marxism-Leninism + localism.

[Tatyana]

poquello
Christ, nationality is a carpenter.
The ethnic composition of the initiators of the communist as well as most sects is local, unlike most sects - the legend of Marxism-Leninism + localism.

What is localism?
You cannot normally clearly answer my question - better not answer! More will be.

[Dalailama]

Now skiing, before - playing tennis. Otherwise, the colonel’s epaulette cannot be seen.

[Dalailama]

The same goes for middle and senior managers.

[zart_arn]

And in e-EUROPE they refuse to walk on two legs, eat, drink, defecate, breathe, multiply, etc. , Seriously , but seriously, all Orthodox with a coming Christmas!
Z.Y. And the article is a fat minus for the foal.

[svp67]

Faith must live in man. Which should ennoble him and lead to development. But by no means is it not misanthropy.

[dSK]

Hello Sergey!

Quote: svp67

ennoble and lead to development

[svp67]

Quote from dsk

Hello Sergey!

and HELLO to you. And thanks for the congratulations ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: svp67

Faith must live in man. Which should ennoble him and lead to development.

The countdown began from the summer (year) called “STAR TEMPLE”, in which our ancestors won the Great Victory over Arimia, the country of the Dragon (present-day China), completed a long and bloody war, that is, CREATED THE WORLD. Obviously, the event was so important and significant that for 7208 years, until the reign of Peter I, Russia lived under the sign of the Calendar, which begins its countdown from the CREATION OF THE WORLD IN THE SUMMER OF STAR TEMPLE, according to which, at the time of this publication, 7526 summers are going on.

But we believe in a good boy from a beautiful Jewish family ...
JOKE:
Saturday 12.58 Jesus and the Apostle Peter are standing at the gates of PARADISE.
Why are we going to trouble Peter after PCBs?
Jesus, well, you can have two and a half ragweed here ..
Peter-Nishtyak, Come on, you and a half minutes here at the gate grumble, anyway, there will be no one else, I’m going for a snack and Andrukh with a roach I’ll call (the Apostle Andrew once fished.)
Jesus is standing. I start closing the gates on 12.59.58, and here you are out of bed, the peasant waddles all in sawdust shavings (the carpenter sees Joseph not Stalin). I showed the pass, if it’s okay, go through, and then Jesus asked , why are people allowed to go to paradise? and he decided to ask the peasant: "Why did you end up in Paradise?"
A little guy in response, My son knows the whole world !!!
Christ PAPA ?!
Man-Pinocchio !!!!!!?
You write here the Rothschilds, there is a world government. Here, under your nose, the guys from Judea slipped you into believing in a simple Jewish boy Jesus (33 years old) who is not married, it’s already nonsense for that time, he doesn’t trade with any craft, he only preaches (by the way here is an analogy with V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin begs) and if everyone really believes that it was (the truth about Lenin doubts something) ...

[svp67]

Quote: Fitter65

But we believe in a good boy from a beautiful Jewish family ...

Everyone believes in what he believes .... and this is a PERSONAL business for everyone. Who is in this boy, who is in another, but the same from the same places, someone in asexual COMMUNISM, but without Faith a person cannot live badly when MONEY SIGNS replace her

[Fitter65]

Quote: svp67

Everyone believes in what he believes .... and this is a PERSONAL business for everyone.

So believe in what you believe !!! What do you, when the word is against, poke an IDEA in the face? !!!

[svp67]

Quote: Fitter65

So believe what you believe !!

I and BELIEVE. God bless you and good luck.

[Fitter65]

.

Quote: svp67

I and BELIEVE. God bless you and good luck.

And I believe in them in REAL SAINTS !!!
"And without a casing
From Stalingrad apartments
Bill Maxim
And Rodimtsev felt the ice.
And then
barely audible
сказал
commander:
- Communists, go on! .. Communists, go on!

We broke the standards
Fascist Powers
Kissed silk guard divisions
And, the shaft
With knotted fingers,
Near Lenin
In May
Passed by the pole ... "
And I am protected by my love for my country, which I protected 31 almost, my family, and my faith in MY COUNTRY ...
I’m only wondering why the Orthodox Church among those who gave their lives for the victory over the enemy during the Great Patriotic War didn’t rank anyone even the martyrs? .. That Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya did not experience great torment for her own friends, or Oleg Kosheva it was not for his faith (HOMELAND) that he and his comrades accepted hellish torments. Of course, according to the church canons, Nikolai Gastello and Alexander Matrosov are generally sinners — they specifically (themselves) decided to kill themselves (suicide is a sin) to DESTROY the ENEMY, or SAVE THE FRIENDS. It's not GREAT stratotherapist Nikolai who profiled the country. This is so the dust of history, so here we remember this "dust" and Matrosov, and Gastello, and Kosmodemyanskaya, and Talalikhina, and Amet Khan of Sultan, ty Egorov and Kantaria so that they would not write about them here. Here they are REAL SACRED, and the real CHRISTMAS OF RUSSIA is May 9th !! And the rest is an occasion to plunge behind your faith ... Do not tell me in the Komsomol youth city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur until the 2000s there was not a single church, and here once and The temple was built in front of the Voskhod Hotel — I don’t argue with the beautiful one. The truth is, as they say, they didn’t stint sponsored the construction, sinned, crossed the road and prayed for themselves to be built "... And at the same time they build a monastery as Is it called by the locals?

[Dalailama]

There are no atheists in the trenches. Have you heard?

[vovanpain]

Quote: Fitter65

So believe in what you believe !!! What do you, when the word is against, poke an IDEA in the face? !!!

Each has his own faith respected, as V.S. Vysotsky sang:
Who believes in Magomed, who in Allah, who in Jesus
Whoever does not believe in anything, even the devil, is spite for everyone.
Do not believe your cause, but to respect faith and believing people A colleague is worth it, as atheists respect. To each his own. God is in his heart, Happy Holidays and Christmas to all.

[Fitter65]

Quote: vovanpain

Do not believe your work, but respect your faith and believing people A colleague is, as atheists respect. To each his own, God is in his heart,

Did I somehow derogatoryly say about those who truly believe? Anecdote about this Pinocchio was told by a true believer Dzhigarkhanyan, I just quoted. his words. YOU HAVE Christmas, WE HAVE MAY 9, each has his own holiday and his saints !!! Therefore, Merry Christmas and let's respect the feelings of Soviet people — thanks to them, we now live.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Fitter65

YOU HAVE Christmas, WE HAVE MAY 9, everyone has their own holiday and their saints !!!

Colleague, for me May 9 is a holy holiday, as for you and many people.

Quote: Fitter65

let's respect the feelings of Soviet people, thanks to them we now live.

The Colleague absolutely agrees with you, and these people are holy to me, and God is in my heart. With respect to the Colleague!

[Fitter65]

Quote: vovanpain

The Colleague absolutely agrees with you, and these people are holy to me, and God is in my heart. With respect to the Colleague!

Well here, of course, you can come up from the rostrum of scientific communism, which by the way did not deny GOD. All the blessings to YOU ​​and Merry Christmas CHRIST !!!

[zart_arn]

Have you kindly studied scientific communism?

[Tatyana]

Quote: zart_arn

Have you kindly studied scientific communism?

No, of course, I have not studied! He probably never heard of dialectical materialism in philosophy and never knows what it is. And also, he probably did not hear anything about the Harvard and Houston project of the USA against Russia. Namely, how the destruction and dismemberment of Russia globalists will carry out in the future. And indeed they really have everything realized according to their plan!

[dSK]

"Free will, and saved the paradise!"

[Pissarro]

And why does the statement of fact offend you?)))

[Hoc vince]

“After all, what is it like not celebrating Christmas like any other Christian holiday ... This tradition is already 2000 years old, but in this form it is already 1500 years old for Europe - 1500 years every year Europeans celebrate Christmas and other holidays. And then the European Commissioner, who has some kind of smartphone instead of Nagan, comes and says, “You have to sit at home, curtain the windows - don't show anything - and generally keep a mournful look, because there is no holiday.” Fedor Biryukov
This is not freedom. This is violence.

[lwxx]

Our Father, Thou art in heaven!
Hallowed be your name
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
Thou in heaven and on earth.
Give us this day our daily bread;
and leave us our debts
as we leave our debtor;
and lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil.
For Thine is the kingdom and power and glory forever.
Amen. Merry Christmas, Orthodox!

[Fitter65]

I won’t translate into the modern one because they will be banned until March 8, and this is not a Christian holiday ...

[Hoc vince]

Around the Christmas darkness.
In the darkness the bells are buzzing
And with them, in the mood, the words are:
"Peace on earth and happiness to all!".
I felt like on this day,
Life of cities and villages
Having united, the call sounds:
"Peace on earth and happiness to all!"

[gm9019]

Happy Christmas!
Peace! Health! Love

[Boris55]

One of the seven sacraments of the church is the sacrament of unification. What is it and why is it: "... Unction is one of the most revealing magic in which people are shown like the healing of their souls (which is confirmed by some physical healings) by the method of manipulation with the personified particle of the church "Spirit" living in these souls - the power of the church egregor. To a certain extent, ecclesiastics with the help of egregorial magic can “know” (or smell) what part of the church “Spirit” they are dealing with in a particular personal soul [2], referring to magic with a specific personality. This is the essence of the church imitations God's interactions with the personal soul of everyone ... "http: //95.220.204.174/archive/page.php? id = 50

[siberalt]

And what, before religion, people were not going to a bunch?

[Boris55]

Quote: siberalt

And what, before religion, people were not going to a bunch?

Gathered and will gather. Question - for what?

[Dedall]

Yeah, how much my deceased mother-in-law dragged all kinds of gifts to the church while she was healthy. But when she wanted to do the same, be unified, that is, do as the local priest said that he had reached a limit of communication with higher powers. Therefore, please separate Faith and God from the Russian Orthodox Church, which is an office for the provision of religious services.

[Altona]

All military personnel of a separate radar company of ZVO were drafted into the Armed Forces in 2017, and in the same year they were accepted as novices of the Valaam Monastery. Two of them are seminarians.
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Hmm, the world turned upside down.

[Dalailama]

So for them there is no problem shooting over the horizon. Truncate?
about "turned over" - to Fursenko, the "Nazi scientists" from ideology generally believed that it was concave, while one Christian Lutheran evangelist V-2 riveted, using the works of Catholic Tsiolkovsky.

[Dalailama]

I’m sorry, even Tsiolkovsky’s dad was already a Russian Orthodox.

[HEATHER]

Thousands? What the ... l wrote? However, the Russian land was not impoverished by cretins.

[bogart047]

The army and the state should be separated from the church, and its dear gangsta life.

[RUSS]

Quote: bogart047

The army and the state should be separated from the church, and its dear gangsta life.

You have already given up on the faith of the fathers in Ukraine, so "happiness" has flown to you.

[Viktor.12.71]

The faith of the fathers is paganism and they worshiped Perun.

[RUSS]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

The faith of the fathers is paganism and they worshiped Perun.

This is not faith, it is paganism.

[Viktor.12.71]

What is the difference between Christianity and paganism? Here and there, people pray to the tree, pictures, dead. To prove the existence of Perun, Jesus is as impossible as to confirm. I don’t see the differences.

[Dalailama]

Who proved that impossible?

[Viktor.12.71]

And prove the existence of God.

[Dalailama]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

To prove the existence of Perun, Jesus is as impossible as to confirm.

Who, when and where, proved that this is so?

[Viktor.12.71]

It is impossible to prove the existence of any god. Execution cannot be pardoned.

[Dalailama]

Where is the evidence of this? Anyone who decides it is possible, and execute and have mercy.

[Viktor.12.71]

Well, prove the existence of God, what is the problem?

[Dalailama]

The problem is that the word "impossible" was used, instead of for example "while me personally it’s not known for anyone to succeed. "

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: DalaiLama

The problem is that the word "impossible" was used, instead of, for example, "while I personally do not know for anyone to succeed."

It is impossible to prove the existence of God, there is nothing to argue about. Beyond the clouds of space, relax, there are no bird-like people with palaces.

[Dalailama]

Admit that the word "impossible" was used incorrectly by you. Nobody argues with you. Where, for example, in the Bible is written about bird-like people with palaces? And how far does it stretch?

[Viktor.12.71]

Well, where is the god in the Bible? Where did people get the images of angels from? All from the bible.

[Dalailama]

Something has been written about this, but it is impossible to state unequivocally. Angels are not people. How far and meticulously did the latter look into space?

[RUSS]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

What is the difference between Christianity and paganism?

Paganism is a polytheistic religion, Christianity is monotheistic.
Christians seek the Savior, pagans worship the forces of the forces of nature.
In a pagan cult there is a sacrifice, in Christianity this is not.
For paganism, an external commitment to the gods is important. In Christianity, the inner sensation of man is important.
God among Christians is devoid of human weaknesses. Pagan gods have addictions.
God among Christians is a synonym for love. Pagan gods are often warlike.
Pagans worship the forces of nature. Christians believe that all the forces of nature are subject to the One God.
In paganism, witchcraft, sorcery, sorcery and other magic rituals are encouraged. In Orthodoxy, this is considered a sin.
Pagans wear amulets and talismans, Christians (except Protestants) wear a pectoral cross.
In the houses of the pagans there are many amulets. For Christians, signs of Christian symbolism are used for this.
Gentiles believe in signs. Christians reject it.
Gentiles are superstitious; it is alien to Christians.

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: RUSS

Paganism is a polytheistic religion, Christianity is monotheistic.

Christianity is not monotheistic, you believe that there are three gods. This is unacceptable in monotheism. An example of Judaism and Islam where God is one and a point.

Quote: RUSS

Christians seek the Savior, pagans worship the forces of the forces of nature.

Virgin Mithra, Krishna, Baal, Tammuz, other gods and savior, whose biographies in detail coincide with the biography of Christ. So you are wrong. Not only you have a Savior.

Quote: RUSS

For paganism, an external commitment to the gods is important. In Christianity, the inner sensation of man is important.

Who told you that?

Quote: RUSS

God among Christians is devoid of human weaknesses. Pagan gods have addictions.

People are made of the image and likeness of God, that is, according to the Bible, God has the same desires as a person.

Quote: RUSS

Pagans worship the forces of nature. Christians believe that all the forces of nature are subject to the One God.

Again nonsense, the same Thor controlled the weather. Pagans worshiped the gods who controlled the weather.

Quote: RUSS

Pagans wear amulets and talismans, Christians (except Protestants) wear a pectoral cross

Isn't that the same thing? Cross and amulet of any other religion?

Quote: RUSS

In the houses of the pagans there are many amulets. For Christians, signs of Christian symbolism are used for this.

Same.

Quote: RUSS

Gentiles believe in signs. Christians reject it.

But the star of Bethlehem, will it not? The coming of antichrist and the like?

Quote: RUSS

Gentiles are superstitious; it is alien to Christians.

He burned the Bible, drowned the icon, cut the cross, insulted God. After all, are you awaiting punishment after these actions? Whatever superstition?

[Dedall]

Dear RUSS, everything you wrote about the Gentiles is true for the present Christian religion. For example, your phrase:

Quote: RUSS

Paganism is a polytheistic religion, Christianity is monotheistic ...

And then what does a bunch of all sorts of archangels and saints mean?
Or the words that "For paganism, an external commitment to the gods is important. In Christianity, the inner feeling of man is important." And all these posts, Easter cakes, eggs and other things what to call?

[Egorovich]

In the Orthodox Church, evil thoughts will never come to a person’s mind; there the atmosphere is completely different, gracious. Merry Christmas to all !!!

[bogart047]

Is it a scientific fact or as usual?

[Egorovich]

Go and try, then tell.

[HEATHER]

What are you talking about? Have you seen hundreds of military men in the Temples? Don’t tell the people. Nobody has gone there. And you are not going to. Guys and girls will watch the service. After the guard, sleep off. What, nafig, the Temple? In God you believe, the flag in your hands and a drum on neck. Don't be so naive.

[Egorovich]

Do not let drool around the world, choke.

[bouncyhunter]

Yegorych, hello with both past and upcoming! Whoever believes understands.

[HEATHER]

We did not agree. Six in the "fool" and trump, does not have a word.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: VERESK

Six in the "fool" and trump, has no words.

Let your hints remain with you, Dimych.

[HEATHER]

Let your hints remain with you No, sometimes I’ll dump it. I don’t like it, put me down. If I don’t mind. Sorry. I’m drunk and I write all kinds of nonsense. By the way, I’m a beautiful woman. Everything. I’ll give a blow at the weekend. I beat me up a little. Merry Christmas to everyone! Do not chew or cough. And then they forgot the frost for 30!. Good luck to everyone.

[Egorovich]

Thank! Health, to you and well-being !!! I just don’t like it when they impose an opinion on me that I don’t like.

[HEATHER]

A trifle is always trying to get a sensible .. Caught? Sleep peacefully.

[Viktor.12.71]

People already doubt the shape of the Earth, consider it flat. Have come.

[Dalailama]

Where was it written?

[Viktor.12.71]

Giordano Bruno ended badly at the stake. Galileo Galilei decayed in prison. Both argued that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and not vice versa, which contradicted the tenets of any church. The earth in the Bible is described as a plane standing on certain bases, covered with a dome of the sky, etc. People of that time, when the Bible was created, roughly imagined the universe. Dissenters were brutally punished.

[Dalailama]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

The earth in the Bible is described as a plane standing on certain bases, covered with a dome of the sky, etc.

Where exactly, in what place is it written?

[Pissarro]

This is written exclusively in their atheistic training manual, they show this bullshit to the place and not to the place

[RUSS]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

People already doubt the shape of the Earth, consider it flat. Have come.

There is enough dibilov at all times

[Shahno]

Come to Jerusalem., Heather.

[Shahno]

Come, Heather. You need to expand your horizons a little. I swear the bush will not speak with you.

[INTER]

Quote: VERESK

After the guard, sleep off. What, nafig, the Temple? In God, believe the flag in your hands and a drum on your neck. Do not be so naive

Faith or disbelief is a matter for every person and there is no need to judge anyone; a believer, whether he is a Christian or a Muslim, is 1000 times better than an atheist. But again, to believe or not to believe the work of each person, everyone will answer and do not use Satanic slogans to spoil the mood of Christians on the eve of their holiday.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: INTER

a believer, be he a Christian, a Muslim is 1000 times better than an atheist.

And how do you compare? By best personalities or averaged? What is the difference between an atheist and a believer? What, he is not so kind, merciful, honest, responsive, like a believer? Yeah, so atheists went on the Crusades? (What they were doing there - I won’t tell anymore, because I’ll hurt your gentle believing soul) So, it was the atheists who organized the Holy Inquisition? Is it that atheists forcibly crossed the pagans? Is it atheists who have been fighting the Gentiles for centuries? If so, then religious opiates need to be tied. For the most part, believers are NOTHING BETTER than atheists, they are the same people, there is one difference: the former BELIEVE in God, and the latter must be proved. ALL!

[Pissarro]

I forgot to add: I swear by my mother !! :-)))

[Dalailama]

Are you writing for everyone here?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Egorovich

Go and try, then tell.

I once went, being on patrol, from doing fucking Some unshaven man in black uniform attacked us - like, take off your hats in the temple! I told him - are you crazy? I am the head of the patrol, I must monitor the observance of the uniform by the military, and I myself will violate ?! The Charter lists cases where a soldier is required to be without a hat, your church is not listed there. So staff. He - we have our own charter. Either platter or get out of here. Hrenase! So I’m in my homeland, where military regulations have the status of federal laws, and your charter is a charter of a public organization such as a society of anonymous alcoholics. He puffed at us until he threatened to deliver him to the commandant’s office. These are the impressions left

[Pissarro]

On what basis was the civilian going to drag in the commandant’s office?

[CT-55_11-9009]

Based on coercion to violate the Charter.

[Pissarro]

Next time, let the patrol lead to the women's bath and argue that he has the right to be here according to the Charter)))

[Doliva63]

If there is reason to believe that the military disgrace in the women's bath, the patrol must stop this.

[Doliva63]

The military patrol has enough reasons. Read the charter at your leisure.

[bogart047]

thanks, was. Indeed, the indescribable atmosphere of luxury, gluttony, pride, lycimeria. I’ll somehow live without it ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: Egorovich

In the Orthodox Church, evil thoughts will never come to a person’s mind; there the atmosphere is completely different, gracious.

But what about a different atmosphere in the guard? After all, only in the guard on duty is the HOUR an inviolable person, and this sentry has the function of God whom to punish whom to pardon. The clock has the right to use weapons, that is, to punish our Lord for our sins . ONLY MY GOD DOES NOT CALL ME SLAVE !!!!!!

[HEATHER]

And after all, this sentry has the functions of God whom to punish whom And nefig climb into a protected area.

[dSK]

Quote: Fitter65

our lord

John the holy gospel: 15: 15-17 "You are My friends, if you do what I command you. I no longer call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his lord does; but I called you friends because I told you everything I heard from My Father. It was not you who chose Me, but I chose you and set you up so that you go and bear fruit, and that your fruit abides, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name, He will give you. These things I command you, that you love one another. "
In prayers, we ourselves often call ourselves slaves of God, out of deep reverence and awareness of "who is who."
"God save and have mercy on the God-protected country of Russia, the authorities and its army."

[vladfill]

. All would not be necessary, maybe everyone does not want this your coming. You yourself
revel in the atmosphere of grace .....

[Height]

Then the question is: Have you mixed up the topic? Why drop in ships?

[Million]

This is probably some important achievement of the military?

[Fitter65]

Quote: Million

This is probably some important achievement of the military?

Can this be clarified about what you said?

[gerkost2012]

All the same, the army should be on high alert during the holidays. After all, the adversaries also assume that on holidays and weekends, the whole military regiments and divisions, the Russian military are in churches, theaters, go for a walk, drink, at discos, and so on and so forth. Therefore, a preventive strike is possible and then ... We won’t forget Sunday June 22, 1941, with a stunning result for the aggressor. The events of December 31, 2017 are also very instructive, when, after the victory declared by the Supreme, some Igil saboteurs, or “partners,” presented a very unpleasant surprise right before the New Year, striking at Khmeimim airbase. And to hell with them, with damaged aircraft, but there were dead and wounded! And this leads to serious thoughts and conclusions, and therefore, training grounds and positions, guards, etc., this is what the army should do.

[dSK]

Hello German!

Quote: gerkost2012

should deal with the army

Priests replaced the abolished political instructors. Someone needs to be engaged in strengthening the fighting spirit of the army.

[albert]

Hardly from the priests, morale will become stronger ..

[RUSS]

Quote: albert

Hardly from the priests, morale will become stronger ..

"There are no atheists in the trenches"

[gerkost2012]

Something I don’t remember, that our political instructor-zampolit raised morale from me and my comrades. But, I slept on political studies very well. It’s worse with a priest, because if a platoon sat in a political class, then you have to stand in the service and from time to time perform a church ritual.

[Hiw]

In general, it’s not clear what’s going on .... The brains of people don’t work - but how do you understand what the scripture says “don’t kill” ??? Indeed, there are no corrections in the scripture, such as the fact that one can kill for one’s homeland .... It simply says “Don’t kill”. But priests bless warships before launching in the military units and bless military labor. No - I am not against the army, I am for the army, I am against priests who do not live according to their scriptures, they sell in churches, they say one thing and do the other. Christ told them that every kingdom divided would be empty, and they would listen to it and share it with Christians, Catholics, and many more denominations. This is not our faith, one deception, not Russian is everything

[gerkost2012]

Yes, it’s not a matter of priest, but in Bulda!

[azkolt]

Rather, brains do not work for you. Read the Bible and then you will understand about "do not kill." Many people are mistaken in accepting the words of the Bible “Do not kill” as a prohibition of war. In fact, the Hebrew word in Exodus 20:13 literally means “intentional, intentional killing of another person with malice”. God often ordered the Israelites to start wars against other nations (1 Samuel 15: 3; Joshua 4:13). God imposed the death penalty for many crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So God is not against killing at all, but rather against intentional killing. War is by no means a good thing, but sometimes it is necessary. In a world full of sinful people (Romans 3: 10-18), war is inevitable. Throughout its Christian history, Russia fought and fought, often successfully and always before the battle, people prayed, always the first thing that they built were temples! If you look, for example, in tsarist times, the temples of estate nobles were always richer and more beautiful than their estates. And this happened from the time when the nobility was serving, that is, as a modern officer

[ODERVIT]

A return to the millennial traditions of our ancestors, is that bad?

[User]

So move to the cave, the ancestors lived there for thousands of years, abandon science, education, medicine. By your logic, it will be just a great life, or you are an ordinary hypocrite.

[ODERVIT]

But, but without rudeness. Where I live, what I think and write, I decide. About hypocrisy, probably without thinking it was said, I would like to think so.

[User]

If you like Orthodoxy, I have nothing against, it’s your personal and no one has the right to indicate here. But justifying the presence of churches in the sun by the traditions of their ancestors is not beautiful. I brought a few more, are they worse?
Those. You say one thing is good, for tradition. And I say, then the second is good, for the same reason. The answer to this is not no, not so. But the argument is the same. So, this one may be good, but the reason is definitely not in the traditions. Here is hypocrisy.
Want to decide where to live, what to think and write? Fair. I have the same point of view. And that's why I do not like when people impose a particular religion. What is worse than everyone else? A person must make such decisions voluntarily and independently, being competent, i.e. to adults. But for some reason, some adherents of religion consider its aggressive planting acceptable and even necessary, including for children. Hence the negative.

[ODERVIT]

Maybe. Everyone has the right to an understanding of reality and history. My first post did not pursue any goals and did not impose anything on anyone. I may not have answered a very polite review, but I don’t hide the advice to live in a cave and hypocrisy. I suspect that I am not dealing with a very well-mannered and polite person.

[User]

My answer touched you, and all the news was me. I, unlike the "thousands of servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation," do not celebrate Christmas, maybe I’m throwing myself at people in the comments.
In any case, I congratulate you on the upcoming holiday. And you should not react to every remark on the Internet, so you will not save any evil (although this advice most likely applies to me).

[ODERVIT]

You have personally addressed me. Once again, I recall the spoken word "hypocrisy." This is insulting. How can I react to the appeal of anyone on the Internet or in person? S communication is my personal business and I should not try to give advice. I can push them on the wagon and a small cart. But in one I agree, it is not necessary on the eve of the holiday to continue to find out "who is more right.")))

[Fitter65]

Quote: ODERVIT

A return to the millennial traditions of our ancestors

Quote: User

So move to the cave, the ancestors lived there for thousands of years, abandon science, education, medicine. By your logic, it will be just a great life, or you are an ordinary hypocrite.

Here comrade "USER" confuses a garden vegetable with a long root and a tram handle - a return to a thousand-year-old tradition, it’s not necessary to return to the cave, let’s remember where we came from, but how your neighbors dug up the Black Sea and didn’t even level the Crimea, now they’re very strong.

[User]

It will be very interesting to find out where some "you" came from or "we" went. Maybe I alone do not know any great secret and the USSR was Orthodox? Yes, and it turns out I’m confusing something there, but does it mean normal to drag Ukraine into any topic (we have here about churches in the RF Armed Forces, by the way)?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Fitter65

let us remember where we went from, and how your neighbors dug up the Black Sea

Science says that from monkeys ... And religion says no. And that the Earth is flat and on three pillars. And now the priests consecrate devilish aircraft, piercing the sky during flights, forged by the creator, and flying over the edge of the earth’s firmament)))

[Pissarro]

It looks like you are fooled by your neighbor, posing as a priest about flat land and demonic devices)))

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Pissarro

It looks like you are fooled by your neighbor, posing as a priest about flat land and demonic devices)))

Yes, yes, here my neighbors are listed to everyone))):
"In a recent discussion about the Catholic Church, which recognized the right of evolutionary theory to exist, there was an interesting commentary written by the Russian Orthodox Church on Science Vladimir Rodionov. It noted that among Catholic priests and monks, unlike the Orthodox, there were many outstanding scholars.
But how does the ROC relate to science now? - I thought and launched a search for the word "science" in the text
Fundamentals of the social concept of the Russian Orthodox Church (Document adopted by the Anniversary Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church (August 13-16, 2000, Moscow, XXC)

And imagine what I found there? I quote:
a significant number of people do not cease to believe (sic!) in the omnipotence of scientific knowledge. ... is a well-known fact that at all times, including the present, many of the most prominent scholars have been and remain religious people

It is a pity, it is a pity that the outstanding scientists were not named by name) Who could it be? I thought, and began to recall the attitude of Orthodoxy towards scientists in general and science in particular. It should be noted that all print media in the Russian Empire were so-called. "spiritual censorship."

In 1740, on the initiative of M. Lomonosov, the book of Fontenel, "A Conversation on the Set of Worlds," was published. The Holy Synod recognized the book as “contrary to faith and morality,” the book was seized and destroyed.
Until 1815, the school manual “Destruction of the Copernican system” was published, in which the author called the heliocentric system “a false philosophical system” and “outrageous opinion”.
The last work in which the heliocentric system was criticized was the book of Priest Job Nemtsev, published in 1914, “The circle of the earth is motionless, but the sun is moving.” (Maybe this scientist had in mind the Jubilee Cathedral?)


In 1879-1880, Haeckel’s book, The History of the Tribal Development of Organisms, was banned and burned.
In 1890, S. Albert’s book, Charles Darwin and His Teachings, which spiritual censors called the “catechism of materialistic denial of religious ideas,” was banned and destroyed.
In 1902 and 1906, two editions of Haeckel’s book “World Riddles” were burned, as in the book “the idea of ​​animal origin of man passed through as a red thread”

In 1866, St. Petersburg Metropolitan Isidore asked the Synod to send the physiologist and thinker I.M.Sechenov “for humility and correction” to the Solovetsky Monastery “for the prejudice of harmful and harmful doctrine.”
In 1830, spiritual censorship for having ideas “contrary to Christian morality, government, and religion” forbade Holbach's “Lunch Talks.”
In 1890, Voltaire's “Satirical and Philosophical Dialogues” were destroyed, and in 1893 his poetic works in which “anti-religious tendencies” were found

In 1850, V. Gutzeit’s article “On the Fossils of the Kursk Province” was not allowed for publication, since it “explained the universe” according to the concepts of some geologists who did not agree at all with the cosmogony of Moses.
In 1866, geology books recognized as “harmful and nihilistic” were removed from the libraries of a number of educational institutions.

In 1901, the Kharkov bishop Ambrose wrote that the development of science leads to an increase in unbelief, he called scientists “the most dangerous enemies of the church”
In 1914, Engels's work "Principles of Communism" was banned, and in 1915 they recognized the work "From Classical Idealism to Dialectical Materialism" as "blasphemous"; the entire print run of this book has been destroyed

Archbishop of Kazan and Sviyazhsky, rector of the Kiev Theological Academy Anthony (Amphitheaters) called railways, gas lighting, and a telegraph “devilish” and “godless”. Close thoughts were expressed by Bishop Leonid (Krasnopevkov), wrote: “Railways directly affect the brain. Roads and telegraphs make your head work too fast. ”
Archimandrite Theophanes (Govorov), rector of the St. Petersburg Theological Academy, wrote about the open "hostility" of technological progress to Christian truth. Theophanes is glorified in the face of saints at the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1988.

But it was a long time ago. And now, probably, the Orthodox repented, fell in love with science and technological progress?
Indeed, in response to a letter from ten academics, the Russian Orthodox Church announced that “the Russian Orthodox Church in the past recognized and appreciated science, and in the present recognizes and appreciates it”?
Read in full: http://yablor.ru/blogs/otnoshenie-rpc-k-nauke/477
6355"

And here you’ll read in general: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/6221.html
- Priest Athanasius Gumerov tells tales)))

[RUSS]

Quote: User

So move to the cave, the ancestors lived there for thousands of years, abandon science, education, medicine. By your logic, it will be just a great life, or you are an ordinary hypocrite.

It's not about a way of life, but about the traditions of the relationship between Orthodoxy and the army

[User]

It's about double standards. They immediately say:

A return to the millennial traditions of our ancestors, is that bad?

And then it turns out that a return to some traditions is good, and to others is really bad. If there are no arguments, then write this: THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE I WANT SO.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: RUSS

It's not about a way of life, but about the traditions of the relationship between Orthodoxy and the army

Why does the interconnection between Orthodoxy and the army have an advantage over other interconnections (paganism, Marxism, atheism, etc.)? By the way, atheists and adherents of scientific materialism (after all, more people believe in iPhones, tablets and other evil spirits, even crusaders believe) more than Orthodox. And churches are still being built more than scientific and industrial enterprises.
Pichalka.

[Viktor.12.71]

Scold Perun and pray, I see nothing wrong with that. The main thing is not to impose your beliefs on others.

[Doliva63]

And no further - to paganism, for example? Now, indeed, there was a native religion, and not brought from behind a hill.

[Pissarro]

Only in each village has its own, and yes, relatives have nowhere to go. Aliens already lived in a neighboring village)

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Pissarro

Only in each village has its own, and yes, relatives have nowhere to go. Aliens already lived in a neighboring village)

Oh, tell me more in detail ... It is very interesting what were the differences between the idols in the neighboring villages. Explain.
We must make sure that you are not yap, but a serious person))

[Pissarro]

Tell us in more detail about the single standard of the all-Russian idol from the Baltic to Tmutarakan, as well as about who approved this standard in the absence of the state and organized centralized religion)))

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Pissarro

Tell us in more detail about the single standard of the all-Russian idol from the Baltic to Tmutarakan,

You are amazingly dark and ignorant, like so many adherents of your faith. If you bother to study the issue, then find out that there were quite a number of idols, and the Slavs worshiped every idol on very specific issues. The set of idols for each village was the same.
About darkness, explain in more detail. Yes, which villages do you explain? Or are you weak in geography and history?

Quote: Pissarro

as well as who approved this standard in the absence of a state and organized centralized religion

Wow, should faith now be affirmed by state standards? Really ?? And I thought why the bureaucrats push us this Orthodoxy by all means ... it’s what it is.
Well, nice. We will assume that you admitted that religion should be imposed and lobbyed by the state. What is actually happening now.
Then you can not bother. We perfectly understood you and will consider for the future ..

[dSK]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

differences between idols in neighboring villages

Each had its own "especially brilliant" who worshiped their idols, made bloody sacrifices, and human ones too - Drevlyans, glade, etc. And the “right” followers and disciples of the Son of God turned individual villages into the Russian Empire, the largest in the world, which would now be the most populated. If we had not succumbed to the troubles of the corrupt "grant-eaters" in 1917, because we are brothers and sisters in Christ, and we have thousands of nationalities.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote from dsk

Each had its own "particularly brilliant" who worshiped their idols

Give examples of key idols that were not universally accepted.
It seems to me that you are fantasizing.

Quote from dsk

And the “right” followers and disciples of the Son of God turned individual villages into the Russian Empire, the largest in the world, which would now be the most populated.

What are you ??? Are you saying that the priests created the Russian Empire?
You know, there is such a science - history. So she says the opposite. She says that Russia was baptized, and then for a thousand years it was under unchristianity. And no Orthodoxy helped until the people gained leaders (not priests, by the way), who were able to throw off the yoke.

Quote from dsk

If you had not succumbed to the troubles of the corrupt "grant-eaters" in 1917

History, in theory, does not know the subjunctive mood ...
If it were not for the grant-eaters, Russia would have left World War I in ruins, and your ancestors would have perished in the ovens of the Auschwitz.
Well, there would have been no peaceful atom in the country, no military atom, no industrialization, electrification, etc. Right now, you should go to dad for a bow.
And also, if my grandmother had horseradish, then she would be a grandfather.
So leave your insinuations to yourself. Live, rejoice at the sun and thank your ancestors for what is good in your life.

Quote from dsk

Because we are brothers and sisters in Christ, and we have thousands of nationalities.

In a country that makes up 1/6 of the land, there were about 50 nationalities in my memory. If we multiply this 1/6 by 6, we get that there are 300 pieces in the world of nationalities. This is very rude. Perhaps a thousand and typed.
And in Christ, as many as thousands! The rest are aliens or what?
But the blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Indians, etc., are they also brothers in Christ?
What the hell are you doing ??

[Pissarro]

What a terrific ignorance. About a thousand years under spawning (do not specify under which at least to satisfy curiosity) and fifty nationalities (in my opinion there are about 30 of them in Dagestan) especially delivered)))

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Pissarro

What a terrific ignorance. About a thousand years under spawning (do not specify under which at least to satisfy curiosity) and fifty nationalities (in my opinion there are about 30 of them in Dagestan) especially delivered)))

For a thousand years, this is figurative. In fact, two hundred is enough. For two hundred years, your Orthodoxy has not been able to rally the people to victory. And in the 20th century, Orthodoxy rallied the people for victory.
About nationalities ... please list more than 50 nationalities in the USSR. In Dagestan, 30 are not nationalities, but nationalities.
You really do not disgrace further. And even then the adherents of faith here are dark to impossibility. You so discredit your faith with all your might)))

[Pissarro]

If they had a Soviet passport in their hands, they would have found the column there nationality (and not a tribe, clan, nationality) and would have read there an Avar, Abkhaz, Lezgin, Jew, Mordvin. But since you draw your knowledge from the manuals of the militant atheist of the 20s, then where are you to such subtleties)))

[dSK]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

there is such a science - history.

I believe in Vasily Osipovich Klyuchevsky, but not for modern "free historians" trained in the textbooks of Comrade Soros.
Yes, not 1000 nationalities, but 200 main nationalities (2010 census) and each other five (Udmurts - Votyaks, Odmort, Odmurt, Udmort, Ukmort, Urmort, Uurtmort) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_State_Russia. Given that the Russian Empire is not modern Russia, and there were many more nationalities there. Almost all were and are Orthodox "brothers and sisters", whose labors it was created.
Orthodox Church - the second largest Christian church in the world, after the Catholic Church, with about 225-300 million followers, and who are not there - blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Indians ...

[Raphaell]

The church takes on a lot. At all events, pop or mullah, or even come together.

[Dalailama]

the third me or who else did not call?

[bober1982]

Quote: Rafaell

The church takes on a lot. At all events, pop or mullah, or even come together.

This is thanks to Leonid Ilyich, he was a real benefactor for the Church, with Brezhnev coming to the post of First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee (1964), a rabid anti-religious policy was abruptly curtailed, and in January 1965 a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On Violations of Socialist Legality in regarding believers "
All a happy holiday, ours and ours!

[HEATHER]

Thousands of servicemen of the Armed Forces meet Christmas in the temples Complete stupidity. VO-Little rule the news.

[452336]

How fleeting is the time. It seems that only yesterday they gathered in the Leninist room and even transported a mobile one to the fields. Today, the priests wave their censers, spray water on missiles and submarines, and soldiers go to temples in a rampart.

[Kent0001]

What is the contradiction now? On Kulikovo Field, Peresvet against Chelubey also go out crossing and under the Face of the Savior is not man-made. And in the Second World War, many had crosses and Vera. You can relate to religion as you like, but Orthodoxy has largely shaped the character of the Russian Warrior, since the time of Kievan Rus, and this is no longer possible to deny.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Kent0001

And in the Second World War, many had crosses and Vera.

What is WWII ??
There were crosses, only they were led into battle by another faith, with crosses connected. And Europeans always had crosses, but there was no such faith as the Russian, and then the Soviet people, led. Because and here ..

Quote: Kent0001

Orthodoxy has largely shaped the character of the Russian Warrior, since the time of Kievan Rus, and this is no longer possible to deny.

However, like paganism (it’s more so than Orthodoxy reigned), and like communism. So to say that it was Orthodoxy that made the greatest contribution to the formation of the character of a Russian soldier does not seem possible.
Alas, my friend.

[Pissarro]

Russia as a single state was pagan for a little over a hundred years, communist for seventy years, the rest for almost a thousand years of Orthodox. What influenced the type of Russian warrior is more a rhetorical question

[dSK]

Hello Sergey!

Quote: Pissarro

rhetorical question

The secular state that Russia has been declared the last twenty years will not be able to remain for a long time. “Tolerant” Europe, which is changing faith before our eyes, is a good example. Merry Christmas!

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Pissarro

Russia as a single state was pagan for a little over a hundred years, communist for seventy years, the rest for almost a thousand years of Orthodox. What influenced the type of Russian warrior is more a rhetorical question

What influenced the type of Russian warrior is more of a rhetorical question, of course.
By the term of a thousand years of Orthodoxy, in comparison with the entire history of the existence of the Slavs, this is dust. According to the achievements of the people, Orthodoxy is dust in comparison with Marxism.
It’s even interesting, but if there was no strong statehood, then there wasn’t a Russian warrior either, in your opinion? What a charm ... And who defended the Slavs before Orthodoxy? Not Russian warriors or what?
About 100 years of statehood before Orthodoxy in Russia, you turned it down)) If you take from Prince Rurik, then no less than 200 years. But even before Rurik there were principalities, although scattered, but quite combat-ready. In general, Russian soldiers were abundant and long before Orthodoxy, do not flatter yourself.

[viktorch]

so win, the main thing is praying, the Arabs will not let lie

[Altona]

Quote: VERESK

What kind of a temple is it? In God, you believe the flag in your hands and a drum around your neck. Don’t be so naive.

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Once again I repeat my theses:
1) Not every temple is the house of God
2) God is in the soul, not in the temple.
As for soldiers, religion, the secularity of the state and other things:
1) It means sitting in the Lenin room in the morning for 20 minutes and listening to political information is a totalitarian scoop and propaganda, violence against a person and the imposition of ideology.
2) Stand in a stuffy temple for about 1,5 hours in the evening, constantly being baptized, hanging his head. To listen to the tedious reading of the priest’s prayer is to be filled with God's grace, to receive enlightenment in the soul and all that.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

If someone believes - his right. This does not cause me any feeling of rejection. But if someone wants to forcibly drag me to the temple ... I'm afraid a civil war will begin.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Quote: Dashout

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

If someone believes - his right. This does not cause me any feeling of rejection. But if someone wants to forcibly drag me to the temple ... I'm afraid a civil war will begin.

No one will forcefully drag, that's for sure!
But on the other hand you look, involuntarily the idea of ​​a similarity between atheists and gays: both of them are extremely aggressive, do not stand objections - it seems to them that they determine the world order, everyone should correspond to their concepts, otherwise ...!
Don't you think? Well, let you be an atheist - sit and nap in a rag, to whom on ... do you need your participation? No, they will fight! Isn't it time to cool down, remembering the mistakes of 1917?

It is glorious that they will not be forcibly, although I heard about the introduction of Orthodoxy lessons at school ... Am I right or not? The priests understood that it would not work to re-educate me, so they decided to recoup on my children and grandchildren? In this case, again, a civil war. Believe and believe, I don’t bother you and I don’t bother you - be so kind as not to touch me and my family.
Gays in general look like people, that like you, that like me ... Yes, by the way, my wife is an atheist, how can she be like a gay? You are talking nonsense. I am absolutely not aggressive, but I want to raise my children in my own image, and you are aggressively promoting religion.
I’m easy to turn your last sentence against you - "Well, let you be an atheist (Orthodox) - sit and sniff in a rag, to whom on ... do you need your participation? No, they will fight!" Or do you consider the Orthodox people to be exceptional people? Orthodox above the rest? Although, maybe you are an orthodox ... but I don’t care, even an idolater.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Yes, obscurantists - they are dark. That's why they are aggressive. They cannot make their faith attractive to people in the 21st century. Therefore, they shove violently. Like the crusaders in the middle ages.
But this is good. The more they shove, the more rejection their teaching causes.

[Pissarro]

Against the background of crowded temples, the nonsense about rejection, the lack of attractiveness of faith and violence is especially delivering. Go out now, go to the nearest temple and see)))

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Pissarro

Against the background of crowded temples, the nonsense about rejection, the lack of attractiveness of faith and violence is especially delivering. Go out now, go to the nearest temple and see)))

There is such a science - statistics. And she says the opposite.
Alas.

[Klaus]

Hmm, I remind everyone: gentlemen: in fact, the military is one of the few categories of people whose duties and responsibilities suggest without hesitation to solve the issue of life and death: to give their lives or to take the life of another.
It is not in vain that our distant ancestors went to battle with the banners and served prayers before the battle. The expectation of death is worse than death itself, and even more so when thousands of people come out against each other with sharp-cutting weapons, ready to chop each other's arms, legs, heads, rip open their stomachs and release their intestines. They see each other and understand what awaits them ... Unlike pathos legends and propaganda brochures, in real life there are not so many strong-minded people, and here religion and faith play a huge role. And this is a fact.
And also, it would not be bad to recall where the St. George ribbon and the St. Andrew flag came from ...

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Klaus

And also, it would not be bad to recall where the St. George ribbon and the St. Andrew flag came from ...

I strongly apologize for my darkness, but as far as I was able to study the issue, I understand that the St. George ribbon was already established under Catherine II. If you go along the path that you need to worship that which is more ancient, then you really need to go with the banners ... and another idol-perun before the battle))
It seems that the progress and development of society should bring new values ​​to society and the army. From idols to St. George ribbons. From St. George ribbons to guards ribbons and symbols of free labor and popular glory. Etc.
And you offer again idols to worship. The 21st century in the courtyard, the air forces have already become military space forces, and you all hold on to the priestly cassocks, whose land is on three pillars ... a disgrace)))

[Klaus]

I’m sorry that I didn’t emphasize the question too skillfully. Well, you have to go into lengthy thoughts ...
The progressive beliefs of class theory led to the so-called "fraternization" on the line of the Russian-German front in the First World War. However, after some 20 years, the class-ideological Red Army was torn apart, demoralized and smashed to pieces. For the first time in history, the number of combat losses was calculated by the Armies, and the number of prisoners of war - by millions. And Comrade Stalin had to remember the seminary, the Brothers and Sisters, the priests, icons, epaulets, as well as the great commanders of the past ...
In America, too, progress: they now have lesbians, gays and transgender people in the army ... 21 zhezh century in the yard !!! Do not worship the images of the past ...

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Klaus

The progressive beliefs of class theory led to the so-called "fraternization" on the line of the Russian-German front in the First World War. However, after some 20 years, through and through the class-ideological Red Army, it was torn, demoralized, and shattered.

If we are talking about the First World War, then the programmatic convictions and fraternities were the result of defeat due to the mediocre conduct of war and the general decline and repression in the state. You confuse cause and effect.
And tell us about how, after 20 years, the Red Army "was torn, demoralized and shattered.". You tell me very entertainingly. I am intrigued.

Quote: Klaus

For the first time in history, the number of combat losses was calculated by the Armies, and the number of prisoners of war - by millions.

This is not surprising, since the army of a united and enslaved Europe is not a joke. And how many years before this, the whole world pumped Adolf with money and prepared him for the war with communism.

Quote: Klaus

And Comrade Stalin had to remember the seminary, the Brothers and Sisters, the priests, icons, epaulets, as well as the great commanders of the past ...

About commanders, he remembered. Stalin had to consolidate all the forces of the country. Therefore, he tried to attract the followers of the church. Do you really think that the old revolutionary who went through tsarist prisons and civil war will run to pray to God at the sight of Hitler?

Quote: Klaus

In America, too, progress: they now have lesbians, gays and transgender people in the army ... 21 zhezh century in the yard !!!

Lesbians and gays are cleverly equated with the ideas of brotherhood, equality of peoples, free labor, the triumph of the human mind, etc. Dexterously it. It is very ugly on your part, and betrays in you either a person who is not far-sighted or engaged.
It's a pity. And you started well. But they burned so stupidly))

[Kent0001]

This is very good, the main thing is not by order, but by the call of heart and soul.

[osoboye_mneniye]

"The press service of the Western Military District reports that about 4 thousand military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces will celebrate Christmas in churches of Moscow and the Moscow region. These are about three dozen different Orthodox churches, 12 of which are military."

Hmm ... sad that's all. Priests have reached the army. That's where obscurantism was not enough, it’s in the army!
And let’s build military mosques and synagogues? Or do we have other religions flawed? Or do we have a religious state? What is going on ??

[RUSS]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Hmm ... sad that's all. Priests have reached the army. That's where obscurantism was not enough, it’s in the army!
And let’s build military mosques and synagogues? Or do we have other religions flawed? Or do we have a religious state? What is going on ??

What bothers you more is that there are priests of the Russian Orthodox Church in the army, or that there are no military synagogues? Are you a Jew? So it’s not a problem, pray in your own way, no one is forcing you to Orthodoxy.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: RUSS

What bothers you more is that there are priests of the Russian Orthodox Church in the army, or that there are no military synagogues? Are you a Jew? So it’s not a problem, pray in your own way, no one is forcing you to Orthodoxy.

It bothers me both. Priests in the army - because priests carry humility and the darkness of ignorance in the most responsible, technologically and morally developed part of society and the state.
The absence of synagogues - because if our country, being a secular state, gives preference to one of the religions at the state level, this demonstrates the deficiency of other religions and sets the stage for a religious split in the army and society. Why do the Orthodox in the army have the opportunity to worship their idol, and the Jews and others do not have the opportunity to worship their idols?
And yes, we are not a Jew. Why are you interested in this?

[Dalailama]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

And yes, we are not ...

Who are you?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DalaiLama

Who are you?

We are a man!

[Dalailama]

In matters regarding religion.
The Avramic religions have no idols.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DalaiLama

The Avramic religions have no idols.

Never mind. Anyway, there is some kind of fetish that is worshiped - relics, icons, temples, etc.
Materialists are free from all these conventions. Therefore, they are more free people than worshipers.
And materialists believe in the power of human consciousness, reason and intellect. Therefore, they can create a stronger and healthier society than worshipers.
Worship and submission to the fetish is the slavery of the soul. Who and why should enslave the souls of people?
You see, everything is subtler here than the struggle of images, to which you reduce the question ..

[Dalailama]

Important. A fetish is generally from sexopathology. But materialists swear the flag on the oath?

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

materialists believe

in chintz, in cashmere what exactly? What to do with energy?

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

materialists believe in the power of human consciousness, reason and intellect. Therefore, they can create a stronger and healthier society than worshipers.

at least a controversial statement.
Who said that non-materialists do not value reason and intellect?
What is consciousness?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DalaiLama

Important. A fetish is generally from sexopathology.

Hmm ... lanna ... let's turn to Ushakov's dictionary:
"Fetish

fetish, fetish, and (unfolded) fetish, husband. (French fetiche).

1. In the beliefs of primitive tribes - a deified thing (ethnol.). A collection of Australian fetishes.

2. trans. Something that enjoys unquestioned authority, the subject of unconditional recognition, blind worship (books. Neo.). “Science is called science because it does not recognize fetishes ...” Stalin (speech at the 1st All-Union Conference of Stakhanovites). Are we going to bow before ... Backwardness and make an icon out of it, a fetish? Stalin (speech at the 1st All-Union Meeting of the Stakhanovites). "
If you think sexopathology is strange here, then this is part of Freud, but not Orthodoxy))

Quote: DalaiLama

But materialists swear the flag on the oath?

But the believers do not kiss him or what? And why are you confusing state symbols with bones and fabulous pictures in salaries? You surprise me more and more))

Quote: DalaiLama

in chintz, in cashmere what exactly? What to do with energy?

I do not understand. Express yourself more clearly. Take the trouble to ask the question in full - with subject, predicate, circumstance, etc. - well, as they taught at school. Tighten up ..

Quote: DalaiLama

Who said that non-materialists do not value reason and intellect?

I said that religious non-materialists do not "do not value", but do not believe in the mind and intellect of man, because they worship a supernatural and otherworldly one that has no scientific explanation. You will not argue with this statement?

Quote: DalaiLama

What is consciousness?

Consciousness is a report in your thoughts and actions. Materialists have a better situation with consciousness than believers, since the thoughts and actions taking place on a materialistic basis are more streamlined, since they are subordinate to their own ideas or goals developed by society, unlike religious ideas and goals imposed on the masses by a narrow group of people, these ideas that do not support and goals not following, and even when lobbying at the state level.

[Dalailama]

The Maykosoft now calls the icon something completely different. Ushakov probably didn’t know what his own was and how many times the main Australian “fetish” could turn around his waist. Comrade Stalin was apparently also a decent person, in the spirit of his time.
There was a question why the flag is sworn on the oath, and even now, materialists bow down. State symbols are also in the subject. What is so big about them?
Energy is not matter. Have you been taught this? Chintz or cashmere weigh something.
You wrote "do not believe." There is not much scientific clarification. By the way, Newton scientifically explained that the Sun is shining because peat is burning on it, and Aristotle came up with flat earth, there is nothing in the Bible about its shape, nor about what it revolves around or revolves around.

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

For materialists, things are better with consciousness than for believers, since the thoughts and actions taking place on a materialistic basis are more streamlined.

Does not look like. Consciousness is intangible, but it does exist. And often illogical (but rational), especially in women. By the way, a narrow group of materialists, having come to power in the state, first immorally began to socialize.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DalaiLama

The Maykosoft now calls the icon something completely different. Ushakov probably didn’t know what his own was and how many times the main Australian “fetish” could turn around his waist. Comrade Stalin was apparently also a decent person, in the spirit of his time.

You are carrying some kind of nonsense)) I gave you an academic definition, and you told me about Microsoft and Stalin. Are you not overheated?

Quote: DalaiLama

There was a question why the flag is sworn on the oath, and even now, materialists bow down. State symbols are also in the subject. What is so big about them?

This is an army tradition, a promise to faithfully serve our country and our people. This is also a rite. But without a fetish. State symbols are not a fetish by definition.

Quote: DalaiLama

Energy is not matter. Have you been taught this? Chintz or cashmere weigh something.

Shame ... Any object consists of molecules. Molecules of atoms. An atom has energy. You scare me with your ignorance.

Quote: DalaiLama

There is not much scientific clarification. By the way, Newton scientifically explained that the Sun is shining because peat is burning on it, and Aristotle came up with flat earth, there is nothing in the Bible about its shape, nor about what it revolves around or revolves around.

As they could in due time, they explained. If they found a better explanation, they would accept it. Unlike the church, scholars seek the truth. And the church holds on to dogma in order to keep the souls of people in slavery.
Here is a reference about the church’s attitude to science:
http://yablor.ru/blogs/otnoshenie-rpc-k-nauke/477
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Quote: DalaiLama

Does not look like. Consciousness is intangible, but it does exist. And often illogical (but rational), especially in women. By the way, a narrow group of materialists, having come to power in the state, first immorally began to socialize.

It's you in the milk. Consciousness is the result of the life of the body - the work of neurons - electrical impulses. So it is quite material.
The logic and rationality of thinking is just the result of the ability to control your consciousness.
About immoral socialization, it’s you who made me laugh))) If you are talking about communists, then this is not a bunch of materialists, there was a popularly elected government. Well, it’s right that they put the means of production at the service of the state and the whole people, and did not leave them in private hands in order to avoid the oppression of one part of society by another.
You control your mind poorly, so your behavior is illogical. Work on yourself.

[Dalailama]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

You...

Have you looked about the Australian "satire" or forgotten?

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

This is an army tradition, a promise to faithfully serve our country and our people. This is also a rite. But without a fetish. State symbols are not a fetish by definition.

This has no materialistic explanation. Well, unless you like the matter of which the flag is made. What are these traditions for? Why no fetish? Where is this definition given?

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Shame ... Any object consists of molecules. Molecules of atoms. An atom has energy. You scare me with your ignorance.

Really a disgrace. For example, light having energy does not consist of molecules.

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

As they could in due time, they explained. If they found a better explanation, they would accept it. Unlike the church, scholars seek the truth. And the church holds on to dogma in order to keep the souls of people in slavery.

The best of the wrong is not true. The church has generally found it and is holding on to it. What do you care about souls, because they are not composed of atoms and molecules? But do materialists generally have them?

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Consciousness is the result of the life of the body - the work of neurons - electrical impulses. So it is quite material.

Is the result of life activity its product? Electrical impulses are not consciousness. What is your identity?

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

The logic and rationality of thinking is just the result of the ability to control your consciousness.

Not logical. What kind of yoga? Too many persistent irrational “only.”

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

It's you in milk

it's you in peat like that british scientist

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

About immoral socialization, it’s you who made me laugh))) If you are talking about communists, then this is not a bunch of materialists, there was a popularly elected government. Well, it’s right that they put the means of production at the service of the state and the whole people, and did not leave them in private hands in order to avoid the oppression of one part of society by another.

No, about the socialization of wives. No one elected this communist bunch; it came to power as a result of the October coup. Since you are still for the socialization of wives as a means of production, it’s useless for you to work on yourself, obviously you can’t do without outside help.
Slavery was then collective farm.

[Pissarro]

They can create but do not create anything. Theoretically, all)))

[Cheldon]

Have you ever thought that the glory of the Russian army and faith in God are not separable? For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland! Does this "tagline" say anything to you?

[Terenin]

Quote: User

It’s hard for me to accept that some people on the Internet present their fantasies as an indisputable fact.

Do not worry, this is because on the Internet there is no responsibility for the "bazaar", yelled and "into the bushes." As a rule, directly in the team, these "analysts" look pale.

[RUSS]

Quote: Terenin

Do not worry, this is because on the Internet there is no responsibility for the "bazaar", yelled and "into the bushes." As a rule, directly in the team, these "analysts" look pale.

Have you brought an example from yourself? Bravo, well done, few people admit it.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: RUSS

Have you brought an example from yourself? Bravo, well done, few people admit it.

You did not understand. This is it about you. This is clear to everyone except you alone.
Urgently change))

[Height]

Quote: siberalt

Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

I would not say anything - I would pass for the clever. (FROM)

[Height]

Quote: Varyag_0711

RUSS Today, 15:59 ↑
Do not scuff, those who need them in the service at their posts and do not repel their foreheads with bows from the time of Peter the Great, except for the Old Believers.

For those who did not serve, I inform that the army is ALWAYS at the combat post. The soldier should hang up at 22-00, when will he celebrate Christmas? At this time, he should either be at the fighting post or watch the tenth dream in his bed. Or, in connection with the holiday, will the soldiers lift the next day’s lift?
And do not turn the army into horseradish into a farce; let them attend churches as much as they like on a citizen.

But you do not know such a truth: God is God, and Caesar is Caesar! We must not criticize truths, but we must learn to understand them. But, here I agree that in order to understand them, a person needs a different way of thinking, dialectic, otherwise a dead end. No need to approach the problem in a straightforward manner, but we are reasonable.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Height

But you do not know such a truth: God is God, and Caesar is Caesar! We must not criticize truths, but we must learn to understand them.

If sayings were used, and even passed as truth, then intelligible arguments are coming to an end ..))
How can sayings be understood as truth? What are you talking about ??

Quote: Height

to understand them, a person needs a different way of thinking, dialectic, otherwise a dead end.

To say proverbs, do you need dialectical thinking?
Lanna ... take the academic definition of dialectical thinking:
"Greek. dialektike - the art of arguing] - a form of thinking that provides cognition of reality and the ordering of ideas in children. D. m. can be carried out using various mechanisms. One of these mechanisms, which allows the child to carry out independent movement in the knowledge system, is already in It is a structure of information processing that allows you to operate with the opposition. These relationships are included in the structure of any academic subject and any activity. Structures of D. m. arising in preschool children continue to function at school age and in adult subjects in situations involving creative the solution of problems in various fields: science, technology and art.The possibility of using dialectic actions by preschoolers is due to the formation of complex representations that reflect the same object in the aggregate of its diverse properties and relationships, including contradictory ones. Avlens in folklore addressed to children: fairy tales, riddles, etc. .... "
Source https://vocabulary.ru/termin/dialekticheskoe-mysh
lenie.html
And now tell me which of the two of us is a very young person (this is for children, first of all, your dialectical thinking), and who, if not you, is trying to reflect the issue under discussion in the aggregate of diverse contradictory properties and relationships, namely, sayings and truths ??))) And what do these your attempts have to do with the question of the appropriateness of priests in the army ??

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Who are you?

We are a man!

Probably a very young man ?!

[osoboye_mneniye]

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Probably a very young man ?!

Are you a fan of Conan Doyle?
Otherwise, where are such assumptions abstracted from reality?))

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Probably a very young man ?!

Are you a fan of Conan Doyle?
Otherwise, where are such assumptions abstracted from reality?))

Essentially say if you have something to say. Your speculations are not interesting.
Tell me about reality, you're special.

[osoboye_mneniye]

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Essentially say if you have something to say. Your speculations are not interesting.

Have you already switched to? How lovely))
You receive from me as substantial answers as your questions are significant.
I tell you about reality: Do you want to get smart answers - ask smart questions ... if you can))

[Height]

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God is God and Caesar is Caesar!

Then he says to them: whose image and inscription is this? They said unto him, Caesar's. Jesus answered them: give Caesar to Caesar, and God to God. And they marveled at him ”(Mark 12: 13-17).

If quotes from scripture are sayings, then I am a baby.

About dialectics. To make it clearer, there is such a comparison: you need to look at the ceiling, but starting from the baseboard and then in life a lot will seem like a gift. Something like this.

[osoboye_mneniye]

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If quotes from scripture are sayings, then I am a baby.

You do not be offended only. But if the scripture is presented by you as truth, then you deny the achievements of science, which for the time being much more clearly explains the state of affairs and brings real benefits in this world than writing. Most of the population of Russia cannot arrange this state of affairs. All this majority will inevitably perceive the scripture not as a historical document, but as epic tales. From the fact that in the epics there is Kiev and Prince Vladimir, no one considers it possible to take the rest of the allegorical part for documentary truth.
I really hope that you will agree with me on this.
In general, whether you are a baby or not, it is not for you to determine, but for your consciousness. And while it is lost in your reality))

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About dialectics. To make it clearer, there is such a comparison: you need to look at the ceiling, but starting from the baseboard and then in life a lot will seem like a gift. Something like this.

Forgive me, very young, of course, once again ... but I gave you a clearly recognized officially recognized definition and interpretation of the definition of dialectics, but you still did not comprehend it and say that "there is such a comparison:")))
Where does it exist? Who said that it is more accurate than an academic definition and interpretation? What do you evade everything somewhere ??)) You are trying to understand and explain serious terms and definitions and explain how pithecanthropus is on your fingers)
But if I understand you correctly, then you mean that you need to set real goals for yourself - not to dream about fluttering on the ceiling, but to think about how to better push off from the baseboard. But you must admit that for a materialist this is a more feasible task, since it is purely practical, and solving practical problems requires knowledge that religion proposes to replace with faith in the other world and in scripture.

[Pissarro]

The argument that religion wants to replace certain knowledge with a certain faith exists exclusively in the head of the materialists and you will never hear it from any priest. Faith and science are in different disjoint planes

[osoboye_mneniye]

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The argument that religion wants to replace certain knowledge with a certain faith exists exclusively in the head of the materialists and you will never hear it from any priest. Faith and science are in different disjoint planes

Read how they do not intersect)))
"In a recent discussion about the Catholic Church, which recognized the right of evolutionary theory to exist, there was an interesting commentary written by the Russian Orthodox Church on Science Vladimir Rodionov. It noted that among Catholic priests and monks, unlike the Orthodox, there were many outstanding scholars.
But how does the ROC relate to science now? - I thought and launched a search for the word "science" in the text
Fundamentals of the social concept of the Russian Orthodox Church (Document adopted by the Anniversary Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church (August 13-16, 2000, Moscow, XXC)

And imagine what I found there? I quote:
a significant number of people do not cease to believe (sic!) in the omnipotence of scientific knowledge. ... is a well-known fact that at all times, including the present, many of the most prominent scholars have been and remain religious people

It is a pity, it is a pity that the outstanding scientists were not named by name) Who could it be? I thought, and began to recall the attitude of Orthodoxy towards scientists in general and science in particular. It should be noted that all print media in the Russian Empire were so-called. "spiritual censorship."

In 1740, on the initiative of M. Lomonosov, the book of Fontenel, "A Conversation on the Set of Worlds," was published. The Holy Synod recognized the book as “contrary to faith and morality,” the book was seized and destroyed.
Until 1815, the school manual “Destruction of the Copernican system” was published, in which the author called the heliocentric system “a false philosophical system” and “outrageous opinion”.
The last work in which the heliocentric system was criticized was the book of Priest Job Nemtsev, published in 1914, “The circle of the earth is motionless, but the sun is moving.” (Maybe this scientist had in mind the Jubilee Cathedral?)


In 1879-1880, Haeckel’s book, The History of the Tribal Development of Organisms, was banned and burned.
In 1890, S. Albert’s book, Charles Darwin and His Teachings, which spiritual censors called the “catechism of materialistic denial of religious ideas,” was banned and destroyed.
In 1902 and 1906, two editions of Haeckel’s book “World Riddles” were burned, as in the book “the idea of ​​animal origin of man passed through as a red thread”

In 1866, St. Petersburg Metropolitan Isidore asked the Synod to send the physiologist and thinker I.M.Sechenov “for humility and correction” to the Solovetsky Monastery “for the prejudice of harmful and harmful doctrine.”
In 1830, spiritual censorship for having ideas “contrary to Christian morality, government, and religion” forbade Holbach's “Lunch Talks.”
In 1890, Voltaire's “Satirical and Philosophical Dialogues” were destroyed, and in 1893 his poetic works in which “anti-religious tendencies” were found

In 1850, V. Gutzeit’s article “On the Fossils of the Kursk Province” was not allowed for publication, since it “explained the universe” according to the concepts of some geologists who did not agree at all with the cosmogony of Moses.
In 1866, geology books recognized as “harmful and nihilistic” were removed from the libraries of a number of educational institutions.

In 1901, the Kharkov bishop Ambrose wrote that the development of science leads to an increase in unbelief, he called scientists “the most dangerous enemies of the church”
In 1914, Engels's work "Principles of Communism" was banned, and in 1915 they recognized the work "From Classical Idealism to Dialectical Materialism" as "blasphemous"; the entire print run of this book has been destroyed

Archbishop of Kazan and Sviyazhsky, rector of the Kiev Theological Academy Anthony (Amphitheaters) called railways, gas lighting, and a telegraph “devilish” and “godless”. Close thoughts were expressed by Bishop Leonid (Krasnopevkov), wrote: “Railways directly affect the brain. Roads and telegraphs make your head work too fast. ”
Archimandrite Theophanes (Govorov), rector of the St. Petersburg Theological Academy, wrote about the open "hostility" of technological progress to Christian truth. Theophanes is glorified in the face of saints at the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1988.

But it was a long time ago. And now, probably, the Orthodox repented, fell in love with science and technological progress?
Indeed, in response to a letter from ten academics, the Russian Orthodox Church announced that “the Russian Orthodox Church in the past recognized and appreciated science, and in the present recognizes and appreciates it”?
Read in full: http://yablor.ru/blogs/otnoshenie-rpc-k-nauke/477
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[Dalailama]

If this is true, then maybe in all these books there were some wrong words about religion?
Darwin was a sea chaplain if that. Among Russian priests, scientists also exist and always have been.

[Height]

To testify for a large part of Russia is not a thankful task. This is the first. Secondly, treating the Bible as something secondary is simply stupid. It turns out, as in that fable by Aesop, about a fox who could not get grapes and left with nothing, saying that he is still green. I repeat, you are given a set of laws of the universe, try to decrypt it. Criticizing him is not grateful. The New Testament is in your hands.
Now about dialectics! They pulled out the first available quote from the Internet, and based on this, a conclusion was drawn. And they delivered a verdict. This is how we think and live.
And now about dialectics:
From an article by E. E. Krasheninnikov: Dialectics is the logic of the destruction of contradictions as the impossibility of the simultaneous existence of two opposites.
1. THE MEANING OF DIALECTIC THINKING.
2. Dialectical thinking as a way to resolve conflicts.
3. Dialectical thinking as a desire to comprehend reality.
4. The development of dialectical thinking as appropriation of one's own.
5. Laws of dialectics.

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I would like to highlight about children: According to the research of N.E. Veraks, he showed that dialectical thinking is not the property of only very developed adults, geniuses; children have it, and geniuses are those people who have it preserved despite all the surrounding circumstances.
I agree that children, at first, live by feelings, not consciousness. And through feelings it is easier to understand the laws of the universe. But over time, this gift may disappear. Because consciousness will come into force, and it is important, but secondary to feelings.
And one more thing: I do not renounce science and believe that science plus religion is the highest point of development, I am not afraid of this statement.
I’ll not clog the air anymore! If you have questions, then in PM.

[Dalailama]

Children are usually characterized by chastity, which in adults is destroyed especially by dialectics.
Christ also said, "Be like a little sim."

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Essentially say if you have something to say. Your speculations are not interesting.

Have you already switched to? How lovely))
You receive from me as substantial answers as your questions are significant.
I tell you about reality: Do you want to get smart answers - ask smart questions ... if you can))

I don’t need anything from you.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Height

I don’t need anything from you.

You need the truth from me. It’s just that your consciousness is not yet ready to receive the truth. But you will definitely get it))
Since you were not taught to treat strangers with “you”, I suspect that a very young person is not me, but you)) I am very happy about this, since you have a long enough life ahead of you to know the truth.
May peace be with you!

[Height]

Yes, I try to contact you, but it doesn’t always work out, after this appeal you are as if you were reaching for a kiss. And so, I am always with you to friends and enemies. Well, if I offended you, sorry. And thanks for the good wishes. I wish you peace too!

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And after all, this sentry has the functions of God whom to punish whom And nefig climb into a protected area.

A guard or a guard? Three gods? The law of unity is violated. That house will not stand ...
Or rather, the head of the guard, if he wants, will have everyone.

[Cheldon]

Verily! Merry Christmas to you!

[Klaus]

... what's in people's heads? .. At a military (!) forum ... It’s scary ... not, well, really!

[M. Michelson]

Got it.
Soon, such an army would order not planes and field kitchens, but flying carpets and self-assembled tablecloths.

[Klaus]

And more sofa analysts. Divorced here like a guana after a bath. They didn’t serve, or they “left” for one year

[Alex Justice]

Some kind of obscurantism

[Loki_2]

This is a unique unit, in which since 1995, it is the novices of the monastery who serve not only for military and other military training, but also church services.

- We have beliefs.
- What are these beliefs?
“We believe in our Lord, Govinda, but he doesn’t tell us to shoot people.”
- Everything, you suit us. And your govinda is nothing. Liquid, but nothing. And again you do not need to cut. And you people are apparently hardy: 4 hours “Hare Krishna” to shout - this is not everyone can do ... You’ll go to the chemical army.

[Hiw]

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Rather, brains do not work for you. Read the Bible and then you will understand about "do not kill." Many people are mistaken in accepting the words of the Bible “Do not kill” as a prohibition of war. In fact, the Hebrew word in Exodus 20:13 literally means “intentional, intentional killing of another person with malice”. God often ordered the Israelites to start wars against other nations (1 Samuel 15: 3; Joshua 4:13). God imposed the death penalty for many crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So God is not against killing at all, but rather against intentional killing. War is by no means a good thing, but sometimes it is necessary. In a world full of sinful people (Romans 3: 10-18), war is inevitable. Throughout its Christian history, Russia fought and fought, often successfully and always before the battle, people prayed, always the first thing that they built were temples! If you look, for example, in tsarist times, the temples of estate nobles were always richer and more beautiful than their estates. And this happened from the time when the nobility was serving, that is, as a modern officer

Come on ...... Well, how do you quote where Christ gave amendments and clarification on the fact that do not kill it only if intentionally ??? Christ didn’t say such a thing, he said clearly and clearly in the New Testament - do not kill, there is no explanation there that if it wasn’t specially possible he didn’t give - do not lie dear and do not interpret, do not interrupt the business from the priests, they will explain everything without you and they will sell candles in the temple and explain everything why it is possible to sell in the temples .......
I say again - you kill in war, so be honest, do not hide behind faith - not in Russian it