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Thousands of servicemen of the Armed Forces meet Christmas in the temples

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The press service of the Western Military District reports that about 4-x thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will celebrate Christmas in the churches of Moscow and the Moscow region. These are about three dozen different Orthodox churches, 12 of which are military.


Press office ZVO:
The servicemen of a separate commandant's Preobrazhensky regiment will take part in a festive liturgy in the main temple of the Ground Forces - in the Moscow Temple of the Transfiguration of the Lord. The gunners of the Guard Salute Division of the ZVO will celebrate Christmas in the military Temple of John the Warrior, located on the territory of the unit. For the officers and soldiers of the Kantemirovsky tank, Taman motorized rifle troops and Sevastopol motorized rifle formations, the Christmas services will be held by four assistant commanders of units to work with religious servicemen in military churches or prayer rooms.


Thousands of servicemen of the Armed Forces meet Christmas in the temples


Thousands of servicemen will meet Orthodox Christmas in other regions of Russia. Thus, the soldiers of the radio-technical unit of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will take part in the Christmas prayer service in the Spaso-Preobrazhensky monastery of Valaam.

From the material:
All military personnel of a separate radar company of ZVO were drafted into the Armed Forces in 2017, and in the same year they were accepted as novices of the Valaam Monastery. Two of them are seminarians.


This is a unique unit, in which since 1995, it is the novices of the monastery who serve not only for military and other military training, but also church services.
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  1. poquello
    poquello 6 January 2018 14: 30
    11
    and in Europe they refuse Christmas, seriously read here, I'm in shock
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 6 January 2018 14: 46
      +7
      Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 6 January 2018 14: 56
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What is wrong here

        If only in dismissal when there is no money.
      2. svp67
        svp67 6 January 2018 15: 09
        24
        Quote: siberalt
        Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

        You shouldn’t be so. There are many other rooms for warming up. Many go to the Temple, with the unit, and not at all under compulsion. But even if they come in to warm up, then they will not refuse, maybe someone’s body will start to HEAT with the body.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 6 January 2018 15: 41
          12
          Quote: svp67
          You shouldn’t be so. There are many other rooms for warming up. Many go to the Temple, with the unit, and not at all under compulsion.

          Yeah, as soon as the company’s work order announced, even the Mohammedans flee to the temple to pray. It’s good that we don’t have such an almshouse.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 6 January 2018 20: 20
            +9
            As the saying goes, do not renounce prison and from the bag. An almshouse is God's shelter for the poor ...
      3. poquello
        poquello 6 January 2018 15: 20
        +9
        Quote: poquello
        and in Europe they refuse Christmas, seriously read here, I'm in shock

        Quote: siberalt
        Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

        Sorry, I didn’t catch the connection.
        Christmas is our holiday - and the more it is, the better, well, European Christians also had their truth. The keyword was, pigeons in the governments of Europe remove Christianity from the holidays.
        1. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 6 January 2018 16: 25
          +4
          "... seriously read here, I'm in shock .."
          “In Britain, they were the first to offer, without waiting for cultural clashes, to simply congratulate each other on a“ seasonal holiday ”instead of wishes for a merry Christmas or New Year, and call all events and fairs simply“ winter joys ”.
          2018 Irish Catholic Priest Desmond O'Donnell on the eve of Christmas Eve urged all Christians to abandon the use of the word "Christmas."
          1. poquello
            poquello 6 January 2018 16: 27
            +5
            Quote: Hoc vince
            Irish Catholic priest Desmond O'Donnell on the eve of Christmas Eve urged all Christians to abandon the use of the word "Christmas."

            what am I talking about if he was alone
            1. Hoc vince
              Hoc vince 6 January 2018 16: 30
              +5
              Cancel Christmas in a separate city:
              The official representative of the local government of Kokkedal (Denmark), the Turks Ismail Mestazi, said that most of the townspeople are already Muslims. And he, as a representative of the Muslim majority, expresses his will with his decision, and he himself is not eager to take part in organizing a Christian holiday, alien to his culture and religion.
              1. poquello
                poquello 6 January 2018 16: 51
                +3
                Quote: Hoc vince
                Cancel Christmas in a separate city:
                The official representative of the local government of Kokkedal (Denmark), the Turks Ismail Mestazi, said that most of the townspeople are already Muslims. And he, as a representative of the Muslim majority, expresses his will with his decision, and he himself is not eager to take part in organizing a Christian holiday, alien to his culture and religion.

                this is a normal example, if the majority comes to the point that one or two other people of other faiths in the crowd and Christianity is going on, tolerance is damn - it would be better for them under the Chinese, even in something freer)))
            2. Hoc vince
              Hoc vince 6 January 2018 20: 04
              +2
              In Bethlehem, the car in which the Patriarch of Jerusalem Theophilus III was located was stoned. This was reported by Ma'an.
              1. poquello
                poquello 6 January 2018 20: 08
                +3
                Quote: Hoc vince
                In Bethlehem, the car in which the Patriarch of Jerusalem Theophilus III was located was stoned. This was reported by Ma'an.

                chips from the "ingenious" decision of the US Congress, voiced by trump
      4. Serg65
        Serg65 6 January 2018 15: 21
        13
        Quote: siberalt
        Soldiers go to the temple in the winter.

        laughing It’s you who mixed up with Lennakomnaya, it was there that you went to bask and shamanize a demobilization album!
      5. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 6 January 2018 15: 28
        28
        sibiralt Today, 14:46 ↑ New
        Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?
        When I was in the service, they were basking in guards, lodges or dryers, and now it’s like that. Yes, and we met Christmas in dresses or guards, and not in the temple. I’m wondering, but if there is any state of emergency, or don’t bring a war at all, how long will these soldiers run to arms?
        They turned the army into a booth some. The soldier should serve, and not in the church, bows his forehead with bows.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 6 January 2018 15: 59
          12
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          They turned the army into a booth some. The soldier should serve, and not in the church, bows his forehead with bows.

          Do not scuff, those who need them in the service at their posts and do not repel their foreheads with bows from the time of Peter the Great, except for the Old Believers.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 6 January 2018 16: 16
            23
            RUSS Today, 15:59 ↑
            Do not scuff, those who need them in the service at their posts and do not repel their foreheads with bows from the time of Peter the Great, except for the Old Believers.
            For those who did not serve, I inform that the army is ALWAYS at the combat post. The soldier should hang up at 22-00, when will he celebrate Christmas? At this time, he should either be at the fighting post or watch the tenth dream in his bed. Or, in connection with the holiday, will the soldiers lift the next day’s lift?
            And do not turn the army into horseradish into a farce; let them attend churches as much as they like on a citizen.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 6 January 2018 19: 15
              +9
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              And do not turn the army into horseradish into a farce; let them attend churches as much as they like on a citizen.

              The booth in your head
            2. Maksus
              Maksus 7 January 2018 23: 16
              +2
              Have you heard anything about layoffs? They seem to be, and even, oh horror, per diem. As someone wants and spends, not everyone is like some vodka fermented.
        2. vladfill
          vladfill 6 January 2018 18: 40
          10
          Why not take part in the Sabbath, if Garant himself acts as a candlestick
          yes against the handle shaggy, patriarchal, leaning ...
      6. RUSS
        RUSS 6 January 2018 15: 57
        12
        Quote: siberalt
        Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

        Is it hard for you to accept that most servicemen come to the temple from the bottom of their hearts?
        1. User
          User 6 January 2018 16: 09
          +8
          It’s hard for me to accept that some people on the Internet present their fantasies as an indisputable fact.
      7. zloybond
        zloybond 6 January 2018 18: 36
        12
        bad? actually remember we are standing in the ranks .... three hundred people - about 50 Muslims. And then they deduce how the servant of the sect of the Russian Orthodox Church was led by us - well, actually, he should give everyone a dmk and water. Muslims stand dumbfounded ... and horseradish vyaknesh - the minister stands, the head of the Academy ... In short. why did I tell all this. A sect is a voluntary affair - in our constitution it is. And without exception, to drive - so at least to divide ... And so ... by mutton it turns out.
        1. Cheldon
          Cheldon 7 January 2018 10: 22
          +3
          Quote: zloybond
          bad? actually remember we are standing in the ranks .... three hundred people - about 50 Muslims. And then they deduce how the servant of the sect of the Russian Orthodox Church was led by us - well, actually, he should give everyone a dmk and water. Muslims stand dumbfounded ... and horseradish vyaknesh - the minister stands, the head of the Academy ... In short. why did I tell all this. A sect is a voluntary affair - in our constitution it is. And without exception, to drive - so at least to divide ... And so ... by mutton it turns out.

          If there is no God, but I believe in Him, I lose nothing. But if God is, but I do not believe in Him, I lose everything. (Blaise Pascal)
          1. zloybond
            zloybond 14 January 2018 17: 31
            0
            do not hammer your head. don't complicate the simple. simplify the complex. Muslims had to say this before sprinkling them. I also jumped smartly out of the couch
        2. Dalailama
          Dalailama 15 January 2018 00: 46
          +1
          look what a sect is, then do not use this word out of place.
          if someone was against it, it was necessary not to remain silent, but to turn to the commander with a hand under the visor.
          1. zloybond
            zloybond 15 January 2018 14: 36
            0
            to the minister of defense? Well, shoot yourself just like that then))))
            about the sect:
            - the concept of "sect" does not have a clear definition. So, according to Ozhegov’s dictionary, Catholicism can be recognized as a sectarian movement within Orthodoxy (in the West our Church is called Orthodox), Islam can be attributed to Christian sects - after all, they recognize Jesus as one of the prophets and believe in one God. At the same time, according to the canons of Islam, it is the Christians, along with the Jews, who are the Muslim sect, the “people of the book”, the holders of the Scriptures (ahl al-kitab) and are not subject to forced conversion to Islam, unlike all other Homo sapiens.
            From the point of view of a Buddhist, the whole world west of India is erring people who are far behind on the path to knowing the truth.
            No need to turn the topic of this article into a theoretical study. I asked this question to the Patriarch once. He did not talk about it. Apparently not in vain they poke their nose into the limousine, business in temples, etc ....
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 16 January 2018 00: 38
              +1
              why not?
              It has a very clear definition, it is a closed structure, the rest you generally spit.
              what was the question?
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 6 January 2018 15: 21
      +9
      I don’t understand, the article is simply a statement of fact, or regret that Orthodoxy has not yet been killed in us and in us? ??? belay
      1. poquello
        poquello 6 January 2018 16: 07
        11
        Quote: Herkulesich
        I don’t understand, the article is simply a statement of fact, or regret that Orthodoxy has not yet been killed in us and in us? ??? belay

        you won’t strangle our song, you won’t kill!
        Murza Chelubey was considered invincible, and Peresvet without the blessing of Sergius could not take arms, the clergy and the army should be nearby.
        1. vladfill
          vladfill 6 January 2018 18: 44
          +7
          Well then, there should be in the army both mullahs, and priests, and bonzes, and rabbis, and pastors,
          and political workers, and .....
          1. poquello
            poquello 6 January 2018 18: 48
            +4
            Quote: vladfill
            Well then, there should be in the army both mullahs, and priests, and bonzes, and rabbis, and pastors,
            and political workers, and .....

            it was so, and now it’s going to
            1. vladfill
              vladfill 6 January 2018 19: 21
              +5
              The cheapest way to put the brackets out and make the law work: Religion is separated
              from the state - the church from the school.
              1. poquello
                poquello 6 January 2018 19: 37
                +6
                Quote: vladfill
                The cheapest way to put the brackets out and make the law work: Religion is separated
                from the state - the church from the school.

                You mix religious coercion with the right to worship.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 6 January 2018 19: 17
            +6
            Quote: vladfill
            Well then, there should be in the army both mullahs, and priests, and bonzes, and rabbis, and pastors,

            Mullahs already exist in the army as full-time employees, and from the 2000s
          3. Dedall
            Dedall 7 January 2018 20: 39
            +1
            And the last comrades in your list have long since been dismissed. If you try to ask them about something that you were doing before, they point to psychologists. Yes, and this category of citizens is now called "military educators." They even have their own holiday on the calendar. So they at one time collected money for the construction of chapels in units. I remember that half of the EDV I once gave to this business. And then our political officer built a summer house from that construction site.
      2. zloybond
        zloybond 6 January 2018 18: 37
        +1
        bad? actually remember we are standing in the ranks .... three hundred people - about 50 Muslims. And then they deduce how the servant of the sect of the Russian Orthodox Church was led by us - well, actually, he should give everyone a dmk and water. Muslims stand dumbfounded ... and horseradish vyaknesh - the minister stands, the head of the Academy ... In short. why did I tell all this. A sect is a voluntary affair - in our constitution it is. And without exception, to drive - so at least to divide ... And so ... by mutton it turns out.
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 6 January 2018 21: 34
          +1
          Has it departed from them?
          1. zloybond
            zloybond 14 January 2018 17: 35
            0
            in fact, disrespect for their faith was shown.
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 15 January 2018 00: 42
              +1
              in fact, their faith in them was not written, they remained in the ranks to stand, which means they were not against it.
              1. zloybond
                zloybond 15 January 2018 14: 37
                0
                Do not confuse officers with the crowd at the temple. And believe me, when I selected these people, many already had 3-5 years of fighting, we won’t talk on whose side.
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 16 January 2018 00: 39
                  +1
                  no one confuses.
    3. Rafaell
      Rafaell 6 January 2018 15: 51
      +4
      Yes, this is a feat. In the 70s I went to the polls.
    4. Rafaell
      Rafaell 6 January 2018 15: 59
      +7
      In the USSR, an officer must be a communist, now an officer must be a believer.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 6 January 2018 16: 03
        +4
        "In the USSR, an officer must be a communist ..."
      2. poquello
        poquello 6 January 2018 16: 11
        +9
        Quote: Rafaell
        In the USSR, an officer must be a communist, now an officer must be a believer.

        no one commits, but faith gives fortitude
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 6 January 2018 17: 23
          +4
          poquello
          faith gives fortitude
          What faith in God gives fortitude and to whom?
          It is a weak spirit that gives faith in a fairy god the so-called and fabulous "fortitude" of spirit! Strong spirit and faith in the rightness of their cause faith in God is not needed!
          It’s not in vain that there is a popular proverb - “Hope for God, don’t be a badass for Asam!”
          1. poquello
            poquello 6 January 2018 18: 40
            +5
            Quote: Tatiana
            It’s not in vain that there is a popular proverb - “Hope for God, don’t be a badass for Asam!”

            ett is not from that opera, here is another
            "Pray not to God, but grasp the oars", both help to understand faith correctly
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 January 2018 18: 47
              +1
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Tatiana
              It’s not in vain that there is a popular proverb - “Hope for God, don’t be a badass for Asam!”

              ett is not from that opera, here is another

              Why is it "not from that opera"? Just from that one!
              "Pray not to God, but grasp the oars", both help to understand faith correctly
              And how does this eclecticism of yours "CORRECTly" understand faith?
              1. poquello
                poquello 6 January 2018 18: 50
                +6
                Quote: Tatiana
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Tatiana
                It’s not in vain that there is a popular proverb - “Hope for God, don’t be a badass for Asam!”

                ett is not from that opera, here is another

                Why is it "not from that opera"? Just from that one!
                "Pray not to God, but grasp the oars", both help to understand faith correctly
                And how does this eclecticism of yours "CORRECTly" understand faith?

                faith helps a cause, but it does not replace
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 6 January 2018 21: 29
                  +6
                  faith helps a cause, but it does not replace
                  God has nothing to do with the matter! And gods in the world a dime a dozen! And for all believers their faith is the most correct! And whoever disagrees with this, then those who believe in their god go in a religious war against those who believe in another god! How many were there in the history of religious conquest wars ?! And who sent believers to war? Their mediators between their god and those who believe in him - namely, clergy!
                  The Russian Orthodox Church in Russia was under the tsar the richest landowner and feudal lord with serf souls. The Russian Orthodox Church opposed the abolition of serfdom by Alexander the Liberator in Russia. And, if I am not mistaken, the Russian Orthodox Church did not oppose the abdication of Nicholas II.
                  Remember, the ROC, under any system, will engage in hedonism - the desire to enrich itself among believers and the state.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 6 January 2018 23: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Remember, the ROC, under any system, will engage in hedonism - the desire to enrich itself among believers and the state.

                    even familiar songs

                    so communism is still religion
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 7 January 2018 01: 49
                      0
                      poquello
                      so communism is still religion
                      In m / l theory there are methodological errors. The hypotheses "about the future development of future communism" during the peer review of compliance with the very dialectical-materialistic method with which K. Marx supposedly built them do not correspond to him. Marx made logical errors.
                      The first mistake in the construction of m / l theory was made by K. Marx himself. Sometimes it seems to me that he made them intentionally. No wonder he was the grandson of two rabbis. I don’t want to talk about the ethnonational "driving force" of the coup and revolution in Russia in 1917 in the year - so everyone knows that!
                      But who created Christianity ethnically and why? And you are talking about some kind of “faith in communism” there!
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 7 January 2018 14: 17
                        +4
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        No wonder he was the grandson of two rabbis.

                        Funny, whatever my attitude towards Marx.
                        The same logic is funny, about the lack of which you write in Marx.
                        And if he was the grandson of a rabbi?
                        And if he were the grandson of two ordinary Jews?
                        Do you understand that this is an obvious ventriloquism for everyone?
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 7 January 2018 15: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        But who created Christianity ethnically and why? And you are talking about some kind of “faith in communism” there!

                        the very faith in a brighter future and justice on earth during life, like a pie offered to the followers of communist sects.
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 7 January 2018 16: 54
                        0
                        Flooding
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        No wonder he was the grandson of two rabbis.
                        Funny, whatever my attitude towards Marx.
                        The same logic is funny, about the lack of which you write in Marx.
                        Are you "amused" by the most perfect dialectical-materialistic method in philosophy, which Marx for some reason did not use in its entirety in the construction of his communist theory, but went exactly the opposite?
                        And what do you yourself know about diamat? Do you know all of its 12 scientific principles? Know how to use them to make logical calculations? Surely no!
                        By the way, it is not without reason that all dissertations written with the help of the dialectical materialist method were withdrawn and banned from being defended in the USSR back in 1986 for academic degrees. Just with the beginning of "Gorbachevschiny"! Already in the days of Gorbachev, diamat turned into the USSR / Russia and at the same time became “closed scientific technologies” so that only “initiates” could rule the world. And the people are now universally imposed on the unscientific ideological concepts of ancient religious denominations, which have come down historically to our time
                        And if he was the grandson of a rabbi?
                        And if he were the grandson of two ordinary Jews?
                        And the rabbis know and are more literate in politics than ordinary Jews. Didn't it cross your mind?
                        Do you understand that this is an obvious ventriloquism for everyone?
                        Well, ventriloquism is already from the realm of folk tales by authors like Gogol on New Year's Eve before Christmas!
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 7 January 2018 16: 21
                      0
                      poquello
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      But who created Christianity ethnically and why? And you are talking about some kind of “faith in communism” there!
                      the very faith in a brighter future and justice on earth during life, like a pie offered to the followers of communist sects.
                      About the ethnic composition of the founders of these sects, as you say, and why you forgot to answer!
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 7 January 2018 17: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        poquello
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        But who created Christianity ethnically and why? And you are talking about some kind of “faith in communism” there!
                        the very faith in a brighter future and justice on earth during life, like a pie offered to the followers of communist sects.
                        About the ethnic composition of the founders of these sects, as you say, and why you forgot to answer!

                        Quote: Tatiana
                        But who created Christianity ethnically and why?

                        Christ, nationality is a carpenter.
                        The ethnic composition of the initiators of the communist as well as most sects is local, the difference from most sects is the legend of Marxism-Leninism + localism.
                    3. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 7 January 2018 17: 42
                      +1
                      poquello
                      Christ, nationality is a carpenter.
                      The ethnic composition of the initiators of the communist as well as most sects is local, unlike most sects - the legend of Marxism-Leninism + localism.
                      What is localism?
                      You cannot normally clearly answer my question - better not answer! More will be.
      3. Dalailama
        Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 28
        +2
        Now skiing, before - playing tennis. Otherwise, the colonel’s epaulette cannot be seen.
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 48
          0
          The same goes for middle and senior managers.
    5. zart_arn
      zart_arn 6 January 2018 17: 36
      +5
      And in e-EUROPE they refuse to walk on two legs, eat, drink, defecate, breathe, multiply, etc. , Seriously wassat , but seriously, all Orthodox with a coming Christmas!
      Z.Y. And the article is a fat minus for the foal.
  2. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2018 14: 33
    18
    Faith must live in man. Which should ennoble him and lead to development. But by no means is it not misanthropy.
    1. dSK
      dSK 6 January 2018 14: 58
      10
      Hello Sergey!
      Quote: svp67
      ennoble and lead to development

      1. svp67
        svp67 6 January 2018 15: 05
        +8
        Quote: dsk
        Hello Sergey!

        and HELLO to you. And thanks for the congratulations ...
    2. Fitter65
      Fitter65 6 January 2018 15: 27
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Faith must live in man. Which should ennoble him and lead to development.

      The countdown began from the summer (year) called “STAR TEMPLE”, in which our ancestors won the Great Victory over Arimia, the country of the Dragon (present-day China), completed a long and bloody war, that is, CREATED THE WORLD. Obviously, the event was so important and significant that for 7208 years, until the reign of Peter I, Russia lived under the sign of the Calendar, which begins its countdown from the CREATION OF THE WORLD IN THE SUMMER OF STAR TEMPLE, according to which, at the time of this publication, 7526 summers are going on.

      But we believe in a good boy from a beautiful Jewish family ...
      JOKE:
      Saturday 12.58 Jesus and the Apostle Peter are standing at the gates of PARADISE.
      Why are we going to trouble Peter after PCBs?
      Jesus, well, you can have two and a half ragweed here ..
      Peter-Nishtyak, Come on, you and a half minutes here at the gate grumble, anyway, there will be no one else, I’m going for a snack and Andrukh with a roach I’ll call (the Apostle Andrew once fished.)
      Jesus is standing. I start closing the gates on 12.59.58, and here you are out of bed, the peasant waddles all in sawdust shavings (the carpenter sees Joseph not Stalin). I showed the pass, if it’s okay, go through, and then Jesus asked , why are people allowed to go to paradise? and he decided to ask the peasant: "Why did you end up in Paradise?"
      A little guy in response, My son knows the whole world !!!
      Christ PAPA ?!
      Man-Pinocchio !!!!!!?
      You write here the Rothschilds, there is a world government. Here, under your nose, the guys from Judea slipped you into believing in a simple Jewish boy Jesus (33 years old) who is not married, it’s already nonsense for that time, he doesn’t trade with any craft, he only preaches (by the way here is an analogy with V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin begs) and if everyone really believes that it was (the truth about Lenin doubts something) ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 January 2018 15: 38
        12
        Quote: Fitter65
        But we believe in a good boy from a beautiful Jewish family ...

        Everyone believes in what he believes .... and this is a PERSONAL business for everyone. Who is in this boy, who is in another, but the same from the same places, someone in asexual COMMUNISM, but without Faith a person cannot live badly when MONEY SIGNS replace her
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 6 January 2018 15: 43
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          Everyone believes in what he believes .... and this is a PERSONAL business for everyone.

          So believe in what you believe !!! What do you, when the word is against, poke an IDEA in the face? !!!
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 January 2018 15: 45
            +9
            Quote: Fitter65
            So believe what you believe !!

            I and BELIEVE. God bless you and good luck.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 6 January 2018 16: 29
              +5
              .
              Quote: svp67
              I and BELIEVE. God bless you and good luck.

              And I believe in them in REAL SAINTS !!!
              "And without a casing
              From Stalingrad apartments
              Bill Maxim
              And Rodimtsev felt the ice.
              And then
              barely audible
              сказал
              commander:
              - Communists, go on! .. Communists, go on!

              We broke the standards
              Fascist Powers
              Kissed silk guard divisions
              And, the shaft
              With knotted fingers,
              Near Lenin
              In May
              Passed by the pole ... "
              And I am protected by my love for my country, which I protected 31 almost, my family, and my faith in MY COUNTRY ...
              I’m only wondering why the Orthodox Church among those who gave their lives for the victory over the enemy during the Great Patriotic War didn’t rank anyone even the martyrs? .. That Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya did not experience great torment for her own friends, or Oleg Kosheva it was not for his faith (HOMELAND) that he and his comrades accepted hellish torments. Of course, according to the church canons, Nikolai Gastello and Alexander Matrosov are generally sinners — they specifically (themselves) decided to kill themselves (suicide is a sin) to DESTROY the ENEMY, or SAVE THE FRIENDS. It's not GREAT stratotherapist Nikolai who profiled the country. This is so the dust of history, so here we remember this "dust" and Matrosov, and Gastello, and Kosmodemyanskaya, and Talalikhina, and Amet Khan of Sultan, ty Egorov and Kantaria so that they would not write about them here. Here they are REAL SACRED, and the real CHRISTMAS OF RUSSIA is May 9th !! And the rest is an occasion to plunge behind your faith ... Do not tell me in the Komsomol youth city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur until the 2000s there was not a single church, and here once and The temple was built in front of the Voskhod Hotel — I don’t argue with the beautiful one. The truth is, as they say, they didn’t stint sponsored the construction, sinned, crossed the road and prayed for themselves to be built "... And at the same time they build a monastery as Is it called by the locals? laughing
              1. Dalailama
                Dalailama 6 January 2018 21: 31
                +5
                There are no atheists in the trenches. Have you heard?
          2. vovanpain
            vovanpain 6 January 2018 16: 08
            +9
            Quote: Fitter65
            So believe in what you believe !!! What do you, when the word is against, poke an IDEA in the face? !!!

            Each has his own faith respected, as V.S. Vysotsky sang:
            Who believes in Magomed, who in Allah, who in Jesus
            Whoever does not believe in anything, even the devil, is spite for everyone.
            Do not believe your cause, but to respect faith and believing people A colleague is worth it, as atheists respect. To each his own. God is in his heart, Happy Holidays and Christmas to all. hi
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 6 January 2018 16: 58
              +2
              Quote: vovanpain
              Do not believe your work, but respect your faith and believing people A colleague is, as atheists respect. To each his own, God is in his heart,

              Did I somehow derogatoryly say about those who truly believe? Anecdote about this Pinocchio was told by a true believer Dzhigarkhanyan, I just quoted. his words. YOU HAVE Christmas, WE HAVE MAY 9, each has his own holiday and his saints !!! Therefore, Merry Christmas and let's respect the feelings of Soviet people — thanks to them, we now live.
              1. vovanpain
                vovanpain 6 January 2018 17: 11
                +5
                Quote: Fitter65
                YOU HAVE Christmas, WE HAVE MAY 9, everyone has their own holiday and their saints !!!

                Colleague, for me May 9 is a holy holiday, as for you and many people.
                Quote: Fitter65
                let's respect the feelings of Soviet people, thanks to them we now live.

                The Colleague absolutely agrees with you, and these people are holy to me, and God is in my heart. With respect to the Colleague! hi
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 6 January 2018 17: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: vovanpain
                  The Colleague absolutely agrees with you, and these people are holy to me, and God is in my heart. With respect to the Colleague!

                  Well here, of course, you can come up from the rostrum of scientific communism, which by the way did not deny GOD. All the blessings to YOU ​​and Merry Christmas CHRIST !!!
                  1. zart_arn
                    zart_arn 6 January 2018 17: 46
                    +4
                    Have you kindly studied scientific communism?
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 6 January 2018 18: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: zart_arn
                      Have you kindly studied scientific communism?

                      No, of course, I have not studied! He probably never heard of dialectical materialism in philosophy and never knows what it is. And also, he probably did not hear anything about the Harvard and Houston project of the USA against Russia. Namely, how the destruction and dismemberment of Russia globalists will carry out in the future. And indeed they really have everything realized according to their plan!
          3. dSK
            dSK 6 January 2018 16: 27
            +5
            "Free will, and saved the paradise!"
          4. Pissarro
            Pissarro 6 January 2018 20: 01
            +2
            And why does the statement of fact offend you?)))
    3. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 6 January 2018 16: 41
      +3
      “After all, what is it like not celebrating Christmas like any other Christian holiday ... This tradition is already 2000 years old, but in this form it is already 1500 years old for Europe - 1500 years every year Europeans celebrate Christmas and other holidays. And then the European Commissioner, who has some kind of smartphone instead of Nagan, comes and says, “You have to sit at home, curtain the windows - don't show anything - and generally keep a mournful look, because there is no holiday.” Fedor Biryukov
      This is not freedom. This is violence.
  3. lwxx
    lwxx 6 January 2018 14: 33
    18
    Our Father, Thou art in heaven!
    Hallowed be your name
    Thy kingdom come,
    Thy will be done,
    Thou in heaven and on earth.
    Give us this day our daily bread;
    and leave us our debts
    as we leave our debtor;
    and lead us not into temptation
    but deliver us from evil.
    For Thine is the kingdom and power and glory forever.
    Amen. Merry Christmas, Orthodox!
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 6 January 2018 15: 34
      +4
      I won’t translate into the modern one because they will be banned until March 8, and this is not a Christian holiday ...
    2. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 6 January 2018 16: 52
      +6
      Around the Christmas darkness.
      In the darkness the bells are buzzing
      And with them, in the mood, the words are:
      "Peace on earth and happiness to all!".
      I felt like on this day,
      Life of cities and villages
      Having united, the call sounds:
      "Peace on earth and happiness to all!"
    3. gm9019
      gm9019 8 January 2018 00: 10
      0
      Happy Christmas!
      Peace! Health! Love

  4. Boris55
    Boris55 6 January 2018 14: 38
    0
    One of the seven sacraments of the church is the sacrament of unification. What is it and why is it: "... Unction is one of the most revealing magic in which people are shown like the healing of their souls (which is confirmed by some physical healings) by the method of manipulation with the personified particle of the church "Spirit" living in these souls - the power of the church egregor. To a certain extent, ecclesiastics with the help of egregorial magic can “know” (or smell) what part of the church “Spirit” they are dealing with in a particular personal soul [2], referring to magic with a specific personality. This is the essence of the church imitations God's interactions with the personal soul of everyone ... "http: //95.220.204.174/archive/page.php? id = 50
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 6 January 2018 14: 49
      +3
      And what, before religion, people were not going to a bunch? belay
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 6 January 2018 14: 52
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        And what, before religion, people were not going to a bunch? belay

        Gathered and will gather. Question - for what?
    2. Dedall
      Dedall 7 January 2018 20: 55
      +2
      Yeah, how much my deceased mother-in-law dragged all kinds of gifts to the church while she was healthy. But when she wanted to do the same, be unified, that is, do as the local priest said that he had reached a limit of communication with higher powers. Therefore, please separate Faith and God from the Russian Orthodox Church, which is an office for the provision of religious services.
  5. Altona
    Altona 6 January 2018 14: 55
    15
    All military personnel of a separate radar company of ZVO were drafted into the Armed Forces in 2017, and in the same year they were accepted as novices of the Valaam Monastery. Two of them are seminarians.
    ----------------------------------
    Hmm, the world turned upside down.
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 6 January 2018 21: 45
      0
      So for them there is no problem shooting over the horizon. Truncate?
      about "turned over" - to Fursenko, the "Nazi scientists" from ideology generally believed that it was concave, while one Christian Lutheran evangelist V-2 riveted, using the works of Catholic Tsiolkovsky.
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 9 January 2018 03: 49
        0
        I’m sorry, even Tsiolkovsky’s dad was already a Russian Orthodox.
  6. HEATHER
    HEATHER 6 January 2018 14: 57
    +6
    Thousands? What the ... l wrote? However, the Russian land was not impoverished by cretins.
  7. bogart047
    bogart047 6 January 2018 15: 14
    +9
    The army and the state should be separated from the church, and its dear gangsta life.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 6 January 2018 16: 02
      +5
      Quote: bogart047
      The army and the state should be separated from the church, and its dear gangsta life.

      You have already given up on the faith of the fathers in Ukraine, so "happiness" has flown to you.
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 16: 26
        +5
        The faith of the fathers is paganism and they worshiped Perun.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 6 January 2018 21: 15
          +2
          Quote: Viktor.12.71
          The faith of the fathers is paganism and they worshiped Perun.

          This is not faith, it is paganism.
          1. Viktor.12.71
            Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 21: 17
            +3
            What is the difference between Christianity and paganism? Here and there, people pray to the tree, pictures, dead. To prove the existence of Perun, Jesus is as impossible as to confirm. I don’t see the differences.
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 6 January 2018 21: 22
              +1
              Who proved that impossible?
              1. Viktor.12.71
                Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 21: 24
                +1
                And prove the existence of God.
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Viktor.12.71
                  To prove the existence of Perun, Jesus is as impossible as to confirm.

                  Who, when and where, proved that this is so?
                  1. Viktor.12.71
                    Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 22: 07
                    +3
                    It is impossible to prove the existence of any god. Execution cannot be pardoned.
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 09
                      +1
                      Where is the evidence of this? Anyone who decides it is possible, and execute and have mercy.
                      1. Viktor.12.71
                        Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 22: 18
                        0
                        Well, prove the existence of God, what is the problem?
                    2. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 25
                      +1
                      The problem is that the word "impossible" was used, instead of for example "while me personally it’s not known for anyone to succeed. "
                      1. Viktor.12.71
                        Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 22: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        The problem is that the word "impossible" was used, instead of, for example, "while I personally do not know for anyone to succeed."

                        It is impossible to prove the existence of God, there is nothing to argue about. Beyond the clouds of space, relax, there are no bird-like people with palaces.
                    3. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 42
                      +1
                      Admit that the word "impossible" was used incorrectly by you. Nobody argues with you. Where, for example, in the Bible is written about bird-like people with palaces? And how far does it stretch?
                      1. Viktor.12.71
                        Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 22: 51
                        +1
                        Well, where is the god in the Bible? Where did people get the images of angels from? All from the bible.
                    4. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 6 January 2018 23: 01
                      +1
                      Something has been written about this, but it is impossible to state unequivocally. Angels are not people. How far and meticulously did the latter look into space?
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 6 January 2018 21: 59
              +3
              Quote: Viktor.12.71
              What is the difference between Christianity and paganism?

              Paganism is a polytheistic religion, Christianity is monotheistic.
              Christians seek the Savior, pagans worship the forces of the forces of nature.
              In a pagan cult there is a sacrifice, in Christianity this is not.
              For paganism, an external commitment to the gods is important. In Christianity, the inner sensation of man is important.
              God among Christians is devoid of human weaknesses. Pagan gods have addictions.
              God among Christians is a synonym for love. Pagan gods are often warlike.
              Pagans worship the forces of nature. Christians believe that all the forces of nature are subject to the One God.
              In paganism, witchcraft, sorcery, sorcery and other magic rituals are encouraged. In Orthodoxy, this is considered a sin.
              Pagans wear amulets and talismans, Christians (except Protestants) wear a pectoral cross.
              In the houses of the pagans there are many amulets. For Christians, signs of Christian symbolism are used for this.
              Gentiles believe in signs. Christians reject it.
              Gentiles are superstitious; it is alien to Christians.
              1. Viktor.12.71
                Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 22: 15
                +3
                Quote: RUSS
                Paganism is a polytheistic religion, Christianity is monotheistic.

                Christianity is not monotheistic, you believe that there are three gods. This is unacceptable in monotheism. An example of Judaism and Islam where God is one and a point.
                Quote: RUSS
                Christians seek the Savior, pagans worship the forces of the forces of nature.

                Virgin Mithra, Krishna, Baal, Tammuz, other gods and savior, whose biographies in detail coincide with the biography of Christ. So you are wrong. Not only you have a Savior.
                Quote: RUSS
                For paganism, an external commitment to the gods is important. In Christianity, the inner sensation of man is important.

                Who told you that?
                Quote: RUSS
                God among Christians is devoid of human weaknesses. Pagan gods have addictions.

                People are made of the image and likeness of God, that is, according to the Bible, God has the same desires as a person.
                Quote: RUSS
                Pagans worship the forces of nature. Christians believe that all the forces of nature are subject to the One God.

                Again nonsense, the same Thor controlled the weather. Pagans worshiped the gods who controlled the weather.
                Quote: RUSS
                Pagans wear amulets and talismans, Christians (except Protestants) wear a pectoral cross

                Isn't that the same thing? Cross and amulet of any other religion?
                Quote: RUSS
                In the houses of the pagans there are many amulets. For Christians, signs of Christian symbolism are used for this.

                Same.
                Quote: RUSS
                Gentiles believe in signs. Christians reject it.

                But the star of Bethlehem, will it not? The coming of antichrist and the like?
                Quote: RUSS
                Gentiles are superstitious; it is alien to Christians.

                He burned the Bible, drowned the icon, cut the cross, insulted God. After all, are you awaiting punishment after these actions? Whatever superstition?
              2. Dedall
                Dedall 7 January 2018 21: 06
                +1
                Dear RUSS, everything you wrote about the Gentiles is true for the present Christian religion. For example, your phrase:
                Quote: RUSS
                Paganism is a polytheistic religion, Christianity is monotheistic ...

                And then what does a bunch of all sorts of archangels and saints mean?
                Or the words that "For paganism, an external commitment to the gods is important. In Christianity, the inner feeling of man is important." And all these posts, Easter cakes, eggs and other things what to call?
  8. Egorovich
    Egorovich 6 January 2018 15: 14
    16
    In the Orthodox Church, evil thoughts will never come to a person’s mind; there the atmosphere is completely different, gracious. Merry Christmas to all !!!
    1. bogart047
      bogart047 6 January 2018 15: 20
      +8
      Is it a scientific fact or as usual?
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 6 January 2018 15: 28
        10
        Go and try, then tell.
        1. HEATHER
          HEATHER 6 January 2018 15: 54
          +5
          What are you talking about? Have you seen hundreds of military men in the Temples? Don’t tell the people. Nobody has gone there. And you are not going to. Guys and girls will watch the service. After the guard, sleep off. What, nafig, the Temple? In God you believe, the flag in your hands and a drum on neck. Don't be so naive.
          1. Egorovich
            Egorovich 6 January 2018 15: 56
            +6
            Do not let drool around the world, choke.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 09
              +6
              Yegorych, hello with both past and upcoming! hi drinks Whoever believes understands.
              1. HEATHER
                HEATHER 6 January 2018 16: 17
                +2
                We did not agree. Six in the "fool" and trump, does not have a word.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: VERESK
                  Six in the "fool" and trump, has no words.

                  Let your hints remain with you, Dimych. sad
                  1. HEATHER
                    HEATHER 6 January 2018 16: 32
                    +3
                    Let your hints remain with you No, sometimes I’ll dump it. I don’t like it, put me down. If I don’t mind. Sorry. I’m drunk and I write all kinds of nonsense. By the way, I’m a beautiful woman. Everything. I’ll give a blow at the weekend. I beat me up a little. Merry Christmas to everyone! Do not chew or cough. And then they forgot the frost for 30!. Good luck to everyone. hi
              2. Egorovich
                Egorovich 6 January 2018 17: 31
                +3
                Thank! Health, to you and well-being !!! I just don’t like it when they impose an opinion on me that I don’t like.
            2. HEATHER
              HEATHER 6 January 2018 16: 15
              +2
              A trifle is always trying to get a sensible .. Caught? Sleep peacefully.
              1. Viktor.12.71
                Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 16: 33
                +1
                People already doubt the shape of the Earth, consider it flat. Have come.
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 6 January 2018 21: 27
                  +3
                  Where was it written?
                  1. Viktor.12.71
                    Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 21: 57
                    +1
                    Giordano Bruno ended badly at the stake. Galileo Galilei decayed in prison. Both argued that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and not vice versa, which contradicted the tenets of any church. The earth in the Bible is described as a plane standing on certain bases, covered with a dome of the sky, etc. People of that time, when the Bible was created, roughly imagined the universe. Dissenters were brutally punished.
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: Viktor.12.71
                      The earth in the Bible is described as a plane standing on certain bases, covered with a dome of the sky, etc.

                      Where exactly, in what place is it written?
                      1. Pissarro
                        Pissarro 7 January 2018 03: 39
                        +4
                        This is written exclusively in their atheistic training manual, they show this bullshit to the place and not to the place
                2. RUSS
                  RUSS 6 January 2018 22: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Viktor.12.71
                  People already doubt the shape of the Earth, consider it flat. Have come.

                  There is enough dibilov at all times
              2. Shahno
                Shahno 6 January 2018 17: 23
                +1
                Come to Jerusalem., Heather.
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 6 January 2018 19: 04
                  +4
                  Come, Heather. You need to expand your horizons a little. I swear the bush will not speak with you.
          2. INTER
            INTER 6 January 2018 17: 17
            +5
            Quote: VERESK
            After the guard, sleep off. What, nafig, the Temple? In God, believe the flag in your hands and a drum on your neck. Do not be so naive

            Faith or disbelief is a matter for every person and there is no need to judge anyone; a believer, whether he is a Christian or a Muslim, is 1000 times better than an atheist. But again, to believe or not to believe the work of each person, everyone will answer and do not use Satanic slogans to spoil the mood of Christians on the eve of their holiday.
            1. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 7 January 2018 10: 10
              +1
              Quote: INTER
              a believer, be he a Christian, a Muslim is 1000 times better than an atheist.

              And how do you compare? By best personalities or averaged? What is the difference between an atheist and a believer? What, he is not so kind, merciful, honest, responsive, like a believer? Yeah, so atheists went on the Crusades? (What they were doing there - I won’t tell anymore, because I’ll hurt your gentle believing soul) So, it was the atheists who organized the Holy Inquisition? Is it that atheists forcibly crossed the pagans? Is it atheists who have been fighting the Gentiles for centuries? If so, then religious opiates need to be tied. For the most part, believers are NOTHING BETTER than atheists, they are the same people, there is one difference: the former BELIEVE in God, and the latter must be proved. ALL!
          3. Pissarro
            Pissarro 6 January 2018 20: 05
            +2
            I forgot to add: I swear by my mother !! :-)))
          4. Dalailama
            Dalailama 6 January 2018 21: 24
            0
            Are you writing for everyone here?
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 6 January 2018 16: 33
          13
          Quote: Egorovich
          Go and try, then tell.

          I once went, being on patrol, from doing fucking laughing Some unshaven man in black uniform attacked us - like, take off your hats in the temple! I told him - are you crazy? I am the head of the patrol, I must monitor the observance of the uniform by the military, and I myself will violate ?! The Charter lists cases where a soldier is required to be without a hat, your church is not listed there. So staff. He - we have our own charter. Either platter or get out of here. Hrenase! So I’m in my homeland, where military regulations have the status of federal laws, and your charter is a charter of a public organization such as a society of anonymous alcoholics. He puffed at us until he threatened to deliver him to the commandant’s office. These are the impressions left laughing drinks
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 6 January 2018 20: 33
            +4
            On what basis was the civilian going to drag in the commandant’s office?
            1. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 7 January 2018 10: 12
              +2
              Based on coercion to violate the Charter.
              1. Pissarro
                Pissarro 7 January 2018 13: 53
                +1
                Next time, let the patrol lead to the women's bath and argue that he has the right to be here according to the Charter)))
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 7 January 2018 18: 19
                  +6
                  If there is reason to believe that the military disgrace in the women's bath, the patrol must stop this.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 7 January 2018 18: 17
              +5
              The military patrol has enough reasons. Read the charter at your leisure.
        3. bogart047
          bogart047 6 January 2018 19: 53
          +4
          thanks, was. Indeed, the indescribable atmosphere of luxury, gluttony, pride, lycimeria. I’ll somehow live without it ...
    2. Fitter65
      Fitter65 6 January 2018 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: Egorovich
      In the Orthodox Church, evil thoughts will never come to a person’s mind; there the atmosphere is completely different, gracious.

      But what about a different atmosphere in the guard? After all, only in the guard on duty is the HOUR an inviolable person, and this sentry has the function of God whom to punish whom to pardon. The clock has the right to use weapons, that is, to punish our Lord for our sins . ONLY MY GOD DOES NOT CALL ME SLAVE !!!!!!
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 6 January 2018 16: 42
        +1
        And after all, this sentry has the functions of God whom to punish whom And nefig climb into a protected area.
      2. dSK
        dSK 6 January 2018 18: 44
        +3
        Quote: Fitter65
        our lord
        John the holy gospel: 15: 15-17 "You are My friends, if you do what I command you. I no longer call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his lord does; but I called you friends because I told you everything I heard from My Father. It was not you who chose Me, but I chose you and set you up so that you go and bear fruit, and that your fruit abides, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name, He will give you. These things I command you, that you love one another. "
        In prayers, we ourselves often call ourselves slaves of God, out of deep reverence and awareness of "who is who."
        "God save and have mercy on the God-protected country of Russia, the authorities and its army." hi
    3. vladfill
      vladfill 6 January 2018 18: 56
      +1
      . All would not be necessary, maybe everyone does not want this your coming. You yourself
      revel in the atmosphere of grace .....
      1. Height
        Height 8 January 2018 01: 00
        0
        Then the question is: Have you mixed up the topic? Why drop in ships?
  9. Million
    Million 6 January 2018 15: 18
    +8
    This is probably some important achievement of the military?
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 6 January 2018 17: 03
      0
      Quote: Million
      This is probably some important achievement of the military?

      Can this be clarified about what you said?
  10. gerkost2012
    gerkost2012 6 January 2018 15: 44
    +4
    All the same, the army should be on high alert during the holidays. After all, the adversaries also assume that on holidays and weekends, the whole military regiments and divisions, the Russian military are in churches, theaters, go for a walk, drink, at discos, and so on and so forth. Therefore, a preventive strike is possible and then ... We won’t forget Sunday June 22, 1941, with a stunning result for the aggressor. The events of December 31, 2017 are also very instructive, when, after the victory declared by the Supreme, some Igil saboteurs, or “partners,” presented a very unpleasant surprise right before the New Year, striking at Khmeimim airbase. And to hell with them, with damaged aircraft, but there were dead and wounded! And this leads to serious thoughts and conclusions, and therefore, training grounds and positions, guards, etc., this is what the army should do.
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    2. dSK
      dSK 6 January 2018 18: 06
      +2
      Hello German!
      Quote: gerkost2012
      should deal with the army

      Priests replaced the abolished political instructors. Someone needs to be engaged in strengthening the fighting spirit of the army.
      1. albert
        albert 6 January 2018 20: 22
        0
        Hardly from the priests, morale will become stronger ..
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 6 January 2018 21: 20
          +4
          Quote: albert
          Hardly from the priests, morale will become stronger ..

          "There are no atheists in the trenches"
      2. gerkost2012
        gerkost2012 6 January 2018 22: 23
        +1
        Something I don’t remember, that our political instructor-zampolit raised morale from me and my comrades. But, I slept on political studies very well. It’s worse with a priest, because if a platoon sat in a political class, then you have to stand in the service and from time to time perform a church ritual.
  11. Hiw
    Hiw 6 January 2018 15: 46
    +7
    In general, it’s not clear what’s going on .... The brains of people don’t work - but how do you understand what the scripture says “don’t kill” ??? Indeed, there are no corrections in the scripture, such as the fact that one can kill for one’s homeland .... It simply says “Don’t kill”. But priests bless warships before launching in the military units and bless military labor. No - I am not against the army, I am for the army, I am against priests who do not live according to their scriptures, they sell in churches, they say one thing and do the other. Christ told them that every kingdom divided would be empty, and they would listen to it and share it with Christians, Catholics, and many more denominations. This is not our faith, one deception, not Russian is everything
    1. gerkost2012
      gerkost2012 6 January 2018 16: 11
      +1
      Yes, it’s not a matter of priest, but in Bulda!
    2. azkolt
      azkolt 6 January 2018 16: 39
      +8
      Rather, brains do not work for you. Read the Bible and then you will understand about "do not kill." Many people are mistaken in accepting the words of the Bible “Do not kill” as a prohibition of war. In fact, the Hebrew word in Exodus 20:13 literally means “intentional, intentional killing of another person with malice”. God often ordered the Israelites to start wars against other nations (1 Samuel 15: 3; Joshua 4:13). God imposed the death penalty for many crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So God is not against killing at all, but rather against intentional killing. War is by no means a good thing, but sometimes it is necessary. In a world full of sinful people (Romans 3: 10-18), war is inevitable. Throughout its Christian history, Russia fought and fought, often successfully and always before the battle, people prayed, always the first thing that they built were temples! If you look, for example, in tsarist times, the temples of estate nobles were always richer and more beautiful than their estates. And this happened from the time when the nobility was serving, that is, as a modern officer
  12. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 6 January 2018 15: 51
    +7
    A return to the millennial traditions of our ancestors, is that bad?
    1. User
      User 6 January 2018 16: 19
      +6
      So move to the cave, the ancestors lived there for thousands of years, abandon science, education, medicine. By your logic, it will be just a great life, or you are an ordinary hypocrite.
      1. ODERVIT
        ODERVIT 6 January 2018 16: 32
        +4
        But, but without rudeness. Where I live, what I think and write, I decide. About hypocrisy, probably without thinking it was said, I would like to think so.
        1. User
          User 6 January 2018 18: 06
          +2
          If you like Orthodoxy, I have nothing against, it’s your personal and no one has the right to indicate here. But justifying the presence of churches in the sun by the traditions of their ancestors is not beautiful. I brought a few more, are they worse?
          Those. You say one thing is good, for tradition. And I say, then the second is good, for the same reason. The answer to this is not no, not so. But the argument is the same. So, this one may be good, but the reason is definitely not in the traditions. Here is hypocrisy.
          Want to decide where to live, what to think and write? Fair. I have the same point of view. And that's why I do not like when people impose a particular religion. What is worse than everyone else? A person must make such decisions voluntarily and independently, being competent, i.e. to adults. But for some reason, some adherents of religion consider its aggressive planting acceptable and even necessary, including for children. Hence the negative.
          1. ODERVIT
            ODERVIT 6 January 2018 19: 29
            +1
            Maybe. Everyone has the right to an understanding of reality and history. My first post did not pursue any goals and did not impose anything on anyone. I may not have answered a very polite review, but I don’t hide the advice to live in a cave and hypocrisy. I suspect that I am not dealing with a very well-mannered and polite person.
            1. User
              User 6 January 2018 20: 53
              +1
              My answer touched you, and all the news was me. I, unlike the "thousands of servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation," do not celebrate Christmas, maybe I’m throwing myself at people in the comments.
              In any case, I congratulate you on the upcoming holiday. And you should not react to every remark on the Internet, so you will not save any evil (although this advice most likely applies to me).
              1. ODERVIT
                ODERVIT 6 January 2018 21: 07
                +2
                You have personally addressed me. Once again, I recall the spoken word "hypocrisy." This is insulting. How can I react to the appeal of anyone on the Internet or in person? S communication is my personal business and I should not try to give advice. I can push them on the wagon and a small cart. But in one I agree, it is not necessary on the eve of the holiday to continue to find out "who is more right.")))
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 6 January 2018 17: 11
        +4
        Quote: ODERVIT
        A return to the millennial traditions of our ancestors

        Quote: User
        So move to the cave, the ancestors lived there for thousands of years, abandon science, education, medicine. By your logic, it will be just a great life, or you are an ordinary hypocrite.

        Here comrade "USER" confuses a garden vegetable with a long root and a tram handle - a return to a thousand-year-old tradition, it’s not necessary to return to the cave, let’s remember where we came from, but how your neighbors dug up the Black Sea and didn’t even level the Crimea, now they’re very strong.
        1. User
          User 6 January 2018 18: 16
          +2
          It will be very interesting to find out where some "you" came from or "we" went. Maybe I alone do not know any great secret and the USSR was Orthodox? Yes, and it turns out I’m confusing something there, but does it mean normal to drag Ukraine into any topic (we have here about churches in the RF Armed Forces, by the way)?
        2. osoboye_mneniye
          osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 22: 17
          +2
          Quote: Fitter65
          let us remember where we went from, and how your neighbors dug up the Black Sea

          Science says that from monkeys ... And religion says no. And that the Earth is flat and on three pillars. And now the priests consecrate devilish aircraft, piercing the sky during flights, forged by the creator, and flying over the edge of the earth’s firmament)))
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 7 January 2018 03: 31
            +1
            It looks like you are fooled by your neighbor, posing as a priest about flat land and demonic devices)))
            1. osoboye_mneniye
              osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 10: 47
              +1
              Quote: Pissarro
              It looks like you are fooled by your neighbor, posing as a priest about flat land and demonic devices)))

              Yes, yes, here my neighbors are listed to everyone))):
              "In a recent discussion about the Catholic Church, which recognized the right of evolutionary theory to exist, there was an interesting commentary written by the Russian Orthodox Church on Science Vladimir Rodionov. It noted that among Catholic priests and monks, unlike the Orthodox, there were many outstanding scholars.
              But how does the ROC relate to science now? - I thought and launched a search for the word "science" in the text
              Fundamentals of the social concept of the Russian Orthodox Church (Document adopted by the Anniversary Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church (August 13-16, 2000, Moscow, XXC)

              And imagine what I found there? I quote:
              a significant number of people do not cease to believe (sic!) in the omnipotence of scientific knowledge. ... is a well-known fact that at all times, including the present, many of the most prominent scholars have been and remain religious people

              It is a pity, it is a pity that the outstanding scientists were not named by name) Who could it be? I thought, and began to recall the attitude of Orthodoxy towards scientists in general and science in particular. It should be noted that all print media in the Russian Empire were so-called. "spiritual censorship."

              In 1740, on the initiative of M. Lomonosov, the book of Fontenel, "A Conversation on the Set of Worlds," was published. The Holy Synod recognized the book as “contrary to faith and morality,” the book was seized and destroyed.
              Until 1815, the school manual “Destruction of the Copernican system” was published, in which the author called the heliocentric system “a false philosophical system” and “outrageous opinion”.
              The last work in which the heliocentric system was criticized was the book of Priest Job Nemtsev, published in 1914, “The circle of the earth is motionless, but the sun is moving.” (Maybe this scientist had in mind the Jubilee Cathedral?)


              In 1879-1880, Haeckel’s book, The History of the Tribal Development of Organisms, was banned and burned.
              In 1890, S. Albert’s book, Charles Darwin and His Teachings, which spiritual censors called the “catechism of materialistic denial of religious ideas,” was banned and destroyed.
              In 1902 and 1906, two editions of Haeckel’s book “World Riddles” were burned, as in the book “the idea of ​​animal origin of man passed through as a red thread”

              In 1866, St. Petersburg Metropolitan Isidore asked the Synod to send the physiologist and thinker I.M.Sechenov “for humility and correction” to the Solovetsky Monastery “for the prejudice of harmful and harmful doctrine.”
              In 1830, spiritual censorship for having ideas “contrary to Christian morality, government, and religion” forbade Holbach's “Lunch Talks.”
              In 1890, Voltaire's “Satirical and Philosophical Dialogues” were destroyed, and in 1893 his poetic works in which “anti-religious tendencies” were found

              In 1850, V. Gutzeit’s article “On the Fossils of the Kursk Province” was not allowed for publication, since it “explained the universe” according to the concepts of some geologists who did not agree at all with the cosmogony of Moses.
              In 1866, geology books recognized as “harmful and nihilistic” were removed from the libraries of a number of educational institutions.

              In 1901, the Kharkov bishop Ambrose wrote that the development of science leads to an increase in unbelief, he called scientists “the most dangerous enemies of the church”
              In 1914, Engels's work "Principles of Communism" was banned, and in 1915 they recognized the work "From Classical Idealism to Dialectical Materialism" as "blasphemous"; the entire print run of this book has been destroyed

              Archbishop of Kazan and Sviyazhsky, rector of the Kiev Theological Academy Anthony (Amphitheaters) called railways, gas lighting, and a telegraph “devilish” and “godless”. Close thoughts were expressed by Bishop Leonid (Krasnopevkov), wrote: “Railways directly affect the brain. Roads and telegraphs make your head work too fast. ”
              Archimandrite Theophanes (Govorov), rector of the St. Petersburg Theological Academy, wrote about the open "hostility" of technological progress to Christian truth. Theophanes is glorified in the face of saints at the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1988.

              But it was a long time ago. And now, probably, the Orthodox repented, fell in love with science and technological progress?
              Indeed, in response to a letter from ten academics, the Russian Orthodox Church announced that “the Russian Orthodox Church in the past recognized and appreciated science, and in the present recognizes and appreciates it”?
              Read in full: http://yablor.ru/blogs/otnoshenie-rpc-k-nauke/477
              6355 "

              And here you’ll read in general: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/6221.html
              - Priest Athanasius Gumerov tells tales)))
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 6 January 2018 21: 21
        +2
        Quote: User
        So move to the cave, the ancestors lived there for thousands of years, abandon science, education, medicine. By your logic, it will be just a great life, or you are an ordinary hypocrite.

        It's not about a way of life, but about the traditions of the relationship between Orthodoxy and the army
        1. User
          User 6 January 2018 22: 29
          +2
          It's about double standards. They immediately say:
          A return to the millennial traditions of our ancestors, is that bad?

          And then it turns out that a return to some traditions is good, and to others is really bad. If there are no arguments, then write this: THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE I WANT SO.
        2. osoboye_mneniye
          osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 22: 35
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          It's not about a way of life, but about the traditions of the relationship between Orthodoxy and the army

          Why does the interconnection between Orthodoxy and the army have an advantage over other interconnections (paganism, Marxism, atheism, etc.)? By the way, atheists and adherents of scientific materialism (after all, more people believe in iPhones, tablets and other evil spirits, even crusaders believe) more than Orthodox. And churches are still being built more than scientific and industrial enterprises.
          Pichalka.
    2. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 16: 34
      +2
      Scold Perun and pray, I see nothing wrong with that. The main thing is not to impose your beliefs on others.
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 6 January 2018 16: 35
      +9
      And no further - to paganism, for example? Now, indeed, there was a native religion, and not brought from behind a hill.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 6 January 2018 20: 39
        +2
        Only in each village has its own, and yes, relatives have nowhere to go. Aliens already lived in a neighboring village)
        1. osoboye_mneniye
          osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 22: 20
          +1
          Quote: Pissarro
          Only in each village has its own, and yes, relatives have nowhere to go. Aliens already lived in a neighboring village)

          Oh, tell me more in detail ... It is very interesting what were the differences between the idols in the neighboring villages. Explain.
          We must make sure that you are not yap, but a serious person))
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 7 January 2018 03: 06
            +2
            Tell us in more detail about the single standard of the all-Russian idol from the Baltic to Tmutarakan, as well as about who approved this standard in the absence of the state and organized centralized religion)))
            1. osoboye_mneniye
              osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 10: 56
              +2
              Quote: Pissarro
              Tell us in more detail about the single standard of the all-Russian idol from the Baltic to Tmutarakan,

              You are amazingly dark and ignorant, like so many adherents of your faith. If you bother to study the issue, then find out that there were quite a number of idols, and the Slavs worshiped every idol on very specific issues. The set of idols for each village was the same.
              About darkness, explain in more detail. Yes, which villages do you explain? Or are you weak in geography and history?
              Quote: Pissarro
              as well as who approved this standard in the absence of a state and organized centralized religion

              Wow, should faith now be affirmed by state standards? Really ?? And I thought why the bureaucrats push us this Orthodoxy by all means ... it’s what it is.
              Well, nice. We will assume that you admitted that religion should be imposed and lobbyed by the state. What is actually happening now.
              Then you can not bother. We perfectly understood you and will consider for the future ..
          2. dSK
            dSK 7 January 2018 08: 13
            +1
            Quote: osoboye_mneniye
            differences between idols in neighboring villages
            Each had its own "especially brilliant" who worshiped their idols, made bloody sacrifices, and human ones too - Drevlyans, glade, etc. And the “right” followers and disciples of the Son of God turned individual villages into the Russian Empire, the largest in the world, which would now be the most populated. If we had not succumbed to the troubles of the corrupt "grant-eaters" in 1917, because we are brothers and sisters in Christ, and we have thousands of nationalities. hi
            1. osoboye_mneniye
              osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 11: 21
              +2
              Quote: dsk
              Each had its own "particularly brilliant" who worshiped their idols

              Give examples of key idols that were not universally accepted.
              It seems to me that you are fantasizing.
              Quote: dsk
              And the “right” followers and disciples of the Son of God turned individual villages into the Russian Empire, the largest in the world, which would now be the most populated.

              What are you ??? Are you saying that the priests created the Russian Empire?
              You know, there is such a science - history. So she says the opposite. She says that Russia was baptized, and then for a thousand years it was under unchristianity. And no Orthodoxy helped until the people gained leaders (not priests, by the way), who were able to throw off the yoke.
              Quote: dsk
              If you had not succumbed to the troubles of the corrupt "grant-eaters" in 1917

              History, in theory, does not know the subjunctive mood ...
              If it were not for the grant-eaters, Russia would have left World War I in ruins, and your ancestors would have perished in the ovens of the Auschwitz.
              Well, there would have been no peaceful atom in the country, no military atom, no industrialization, electrification, etc. Right now, you should go to dad for a bow.
              And also, if my grandmother had horseradish, then she would be a grandfather.
              So leave your insinuations to yourself. Live, rejoice at the sun and thank your ancestors for what is good in your life.
              Quote: dsk
              Because we are brothers and sisters in Christ, and we have thousands of nationalities.

              In a country that makes up 1/6 of the land, there were about 50 nationalities in my memory. If we multiply this 1/6 by 6, we get that there are 300 pieces in the world of nationalities. This is very rude. Perhaps a thousand and typed.
              And in Christ, as many as thousands! The rest are aliens or what?
              But the blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Indians, etc., are they also brothers in Christ?
              What the hell are you doing ??
              1. Pissarro
                Pissarro 7 January 2018 13: 45
                +3
                What a terrific ignorance. About a thousand years under spawning (do not specify under which at least to satisfy curiosity) and fifty nationalities (in my opinion there are about 30 of them in Dagestan) especially delivered)))
                1. osoboye_mneniye
                  osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 15: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Pissarro
                  What a terrific ignorance. About a thousand years under spawning (do not specify under which at least to satisfy curiosity) and fifty nationalities (in my opinion there are about 30 of them in Dagestan) especially delivered)))

                  For a thousand years, this is figurative. In fact, two hundred is enough. For two hundred years, your Orthodoxy has not been able to rally the people to victory. And in the 20th century, Orthodoxy rallied the people for victory.
                  About nationalities ... please list more than 50 nationalities in the USSR. In Dagestan, 30 are not nationalities, but nationalities.
                  You really do not disgrace further. And even then the adherents of faith here are dark to impossibility. You so discredit your faith with all your might)))
                  1. Pissarro
                    Pissarro 7 January 2018 16: 17
                    +2
                    If they had a Soviet passport in their hands, they would have found the column there nationality (and not a tribe, clan, nationality) and would have read there an Avar, Abkhaz, Lezgin, Jew, Mordvin. But since you draw your knowledge from the manuals of the militant atheist of the 20s, then where are you to such subtleties)))
              2. dSK
                dSK 7 January 2018 17: 22
                +4
                Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                there is such a science - history.
                I believe in Vasily Osipovich Klyuchevsky, but not for modern "free historians" trained in the textbooks of Comrade Soros.
                Yes, not 1000 nationalities, but 200 main nationalities (2010 census) and each other five (Udmurts - Votyaks, Odmort, Odmurt, Udmort, Ukmort, Urmort, Uurtmort) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_State_Russia. Given that the Russian Empire is not modern Russia, and there were many more nationalities there. Almost all were and are Orthodox "brothers and sisters", whose labors it was created.
                Orthodox Church - the second largest Christian church in the world, after the Catholic Church, with about 225-300 million followers, and who are not there - blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Indians ...
  13. Rafaell
    Rafaell 6 January 2018 15: 56
    +4
    The church takes on a lot. At all events, pop or mullah, or even come together.
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 6 January 2018 21: 56
      +1
      the third me or who else did not call?
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 7 January 2018 08: 56
      +2
      Quote: Rafaell
      The church takes on a lot. At all events, pop or mullah, or even come together.

      This is thanks to Leonid Ilyich, he was a real benefactor for the Church, with Brezhnev coming to the post of First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee (1964), a rabid anti-religious policy was abruptly curtailed, and in January 1965 a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On Violations of Socialist Legality in regarding believers "
      All a happy holiday, ours and ours!
  14. HEATHER
    HEATHER 6 January 2018 15: 57
    10
    Thousands of servicemen of the Armed Forces meet Christmas in the temples Complete stupidity. VO-Little rule the news.
  15. 452336
    452336 6 January 2018 16: 16
    +4
    How fleeting is the time. It seems that only yesterday they gathered in the Leninist room and even transported a mobile one to the fields. Today, the priests wave their censers, spray water on missiles and submarines, and soldiers go to temples in a rampart.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 6 January 2018 20: 26
      +2
      What is the contradiction now? On Kulikovo Field, Peresvet against Chelubey also go out crossing and under the Face of the Savior is not man-made. And in the Second World War, many had crosses and Vera. You can relate to religion as you like, but Orthodoxy has largely shaped the character of the Russian Warrior, since the time of Kievan Rus, and this is no longer possible to deny.
      1. osoboye_mneniye
        osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 22: 26
        0
        Quote: Kent0001
        And in the Second World War, many had crosses and Vera.

        What is WWII ??
        There were crosses, only they were led into battle by another faith, with crosses connected. And Europeans always had crosses, but there was no such faith as the Russian, and then the Soviet people, led. Because and here ..
        Quote: Kent0001
        Orthodoxy has largely shaped the character of the Russian Warrior, since the time of Kievan Rus, and this is no longer possible to deny.

        However, like paganism (it’s more so than Orthodoxy reigned), and like communism. So to say that it was Orthodoxy that made the greatest contribution to the formation of the character of a Russian soldier does not seem possible.
        Alas, my friend.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 7 January 2018 03: 28
          +1
          Russia as a single state was pagan for a little over a hundred years, communist for seventy years, the rest for almost a thousand years of Orthodox. What influenced the type of Russian warrior is more a rhetorical question
          1. dSK
            dSK 7 January 2018 08: 38
            +2
            Hello Sergey!
            Quote: Pissarro
            rhetorical question
            The secular state that Russia has been declared the last twenty years will not be able to remain for a long time. “Tolerant” Europe, which is changing faith before our eyes, is a good example. Merry Christmas!
          2. osoboye_mneniye
            osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 11: 34
            +1
            Quote: Pissarro
            Russia as a single state was pagan for a little over a hundred years, communist for seventy years, the rest for almost a thousand years of Orthodox. What influenced the type of Russian warrior is more a rhetorical question

            What influenced the type of Russian warrior is more of a rhetorical question, of course.
            By the term of a thousand years of Orthodoxy, in comparison with the entire history of the existence of the Slavs, this is dust. According to the achievements of the people, Orthodoxy is dust in comparison with Marxism.
            It’s even interesting, but if there was no strong statehood, then there wasn’t a Russian warrior either, in your opinion? What a charm ... And who defended the Slavs before Orthodoxy? Not Russian warriors or what?
            About 100 years of statehood before Orthodoxy in Russia, you turned it down)) If you take from Prince Rurik, then no less than 200 years. But even before Rurik there were principalities, although scattered, but quite combat-ready. In general, Russian soldiers were abundant and long before Orthodoxy, do not flatter yourself.
  16. viktorch
    viktorch 6 January 2018 16: 24
    +6
    so win, the main thing is praying, the Arabs will not let lie
  17. Altona
    Altona 6 January 2018 17: 07
    +6
    Quote: VERESK
    What kind of a temple is it? In God, you believe the flag in your hands and a drum around your neck. Don’t be so naive.

    ----------------------------
    Once again I repeat my theses:
    1) Not every temple is the house of God
    2) God is in the soul, not in the temple.
    As for soldiers, religion, the secularity of the state and other things:
    1) It means sitting in the Lenin room in the morning for 20 minutes and listening to political information is a totalitarian scoop and propaganda, violence against a person and the imposition of ideology.
    2) Stand in a stuffy temple for about 1,5 hours in the evening, constantly being baptized, hanging his head. To listen to the tedious reading of the priest’s prayer is to be filled with God's grace, to receive enlightenment in the soul and all that.
  18. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 6 January 2018 17: 57
    +2
    If someone believes - his right. This does not cause me any feeling of rejection. But if someone wants to forcibly drag me to the temple ... I'm afraid a civil war will begin.
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  19. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 6 January 2018 18: 55
    +5
    Quote: Dashout
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    If someone believes - his right. This does not cause me any feeling of rejection. But if someone wants to forcibly drag me to the temple ... I'm afraid a civil war will begin.

    No one will forcefully drag, that's for sure!
    But on the other hand you look, involuntarily the idea of ​​a similarity between atheists and gays: both of them are extremely aggressive, do not stand objections - it seems to them that they determine the world order, everyone should correspond to their concepts, otherwise ...!
    Don't you think? Well, let you be an atheist - sit and nap in a rag, to whom on ... do you need your participation? No, they will fight! Isn't it time to cool down, remembering the mistakes of 1917?

    It is glorious that they will not be forcibly, although I heard about the introduction of Orthodoxy lessons at school ... Am I right or not? The priests understood that it would not work to re-educate me, so they decided to recoup on my children and grandchildren? In this case, again, a civil war. Believe and believe, I don’t bother you and I don’t bother you - be so kind as not to touch me and my family.
    Gays in general look like people, that like you, that like me ... Yes, by the way, my wife is an atheist, how can she be like a gay? You are talking nonsense. I am absolutely not aggressive, but I want to raise my children in my own image, and you are aggressively promoting religion.
    I’m easy to turn your last sentence against you - "Well, let you be an atheist (Orthodox) - sit and sniff in a rag, to whom on ... do you need your participation? No, they will fight!" Or do you consider the Orthodox people to be exceptional people? Orthodox above the rest? Although, maybe you are an orthodox ... but I don’t care, even an idolater.
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 21: 56
      +3
      Yes, obscurantists - they are dark. That's why they are aggressive. They cannot make their faith attractive to people in the 21st century. Therefore, they shove violently. Like the crusaders in the middle ages.
      But this is good. The more they shove, the more rejection their teaching causes.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 7 January 2018 03: 11
        +2
        Against the background of crowded temples, the nonsense about rejection, the lack of attractiveness of faith and violence is especially delivering. Go out now, go to the nearest temple and see)))
        1. osoboye_mneniye
          osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 11: 36
          +1
          Quote: Pissarro
          Against the background of crowded temples, the nonsense about rejection, the lack of attractiveness of faith and violence is especially delivering. Go out now, go to the nearest temple and see)))

          There is such a science - statistics. And she says the opposite.
          Alas.
  20. Klaus
    Klaus 6 January 2018 20: 11
    +3
    Hmm, I remind everyone: gentlemen: in fact, the military is one of the few categories of people whose duties and responsibilities suggest without hesitation to solve the issue of life and death: to give their lives or to take the life of another.
    It is not in vain that our distant ancestors went to battle with the banners and served prayers before the battle. The expectation of death is worse than death itself, and even more so when thousands of people come out against each other with sharp-cutting weapons, ready to chop each other's arms, legs, heads, rip open their stomachs and release their intestines. They see each other and understand what awaits them ... Unlike pathos legends and propaganda brochures, in real life there are not so many strong-minded people, and here religion and faith play a huge role. And this is a fact.
    And also, it would not be bad to recall where the St. George ribbon and the St. Andrew flag came from ...
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 21: 13
      0
      Quote: Klaus
      And also, it would not be bad to recall where the St. George ribbon and the St. Andrew flag came from ...

      I strongly apologize for my darkness, but as far as I was able to study the issue, I understand that the St. George ribbon was already established under Catherine II. If you go along the path that you need to worship that which is more ancient, then you really need to go with the banners ... and another idol-perun before the battle))
      It seems that the progress and development of society should bring new values ​​to society and the army. From idols to St. George ribbons. From St. George ribbons to guards ribbons and symbols of free labor and popular glory. Etc.
      And you offer again idols to worship. The 21st century in the courtyard, the air forces have already become military space forces, and you all hold on to the priestly cassocks, whose land is on three pillars ... a disgrace)))
      1. Klaus
        Klaus 7 January 2018 05: 00
        +2
        I’m sorry that I didn’t emphasize the question too skillfully. Well, you have to go into lengthy thoughts ...
        The progressive beliefs of class theory led to the so-called "fraternization" on the line of the Russian-German front in the First World War. However, after some 20 years, the class-ideological Red Army was torn apart, demoralized and smashed to pieces. For the first time in history, the number of combat losses was calculated by the Armies, and the number of prisoners of war - by millions. And Comrade Stalin had to remember the seminary, the Brothers and Sisters, the priests, icons, epaulets, as well as the great commanders of the past ...
        In America, too, progress: they now have lesbians, gays and transgender people in the army ... 21 zhezh century in the yard !!! Do not worship the images of the past ...
    2. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: Klaus
      The progressive beliefs of class theory led to the so-called "fraternization" on the line of the Russian-German front in the First World War. However, after some 20 years, through and through the class-ideological Red Army, it was torn, demoralized, and shattered.

      If we are talking about the First World War, then the programmatic convictions and fraternities were the result of defeat due to the mediocre conduct of war and the general decline and repression in the state. You confuse cause and effect.
      And tell us about how, after 20 years, the Red Army "was torn, demoralized and shattered.". You tell me very entertainingly. I am intrigued.
      Quote: Klaus
      For the first time in history, the number of combat losses was calculated by the Armies, and the number of prisoners of war - by millions.

      This is not surprising, since the army of a united and enslaved Europe is not a joke. And how many years before this, the whole world pumped Adolf with money and prepared him for the war with communism.
      Quote: Klaus
      And Comrade Stalin had to remember the seminary, the Brothers and Sisters, the priests, icons, epaulets, as well as the great commanders of the past ...

      About commanders, he remembered. Stalin had to consolidate all the forces of the country. Therefore, he tried to attract the followers of the church. Do you really think that the old revolutionary who went through tsarist prisons and civil war will run to pray to God at the sight of Hitler?
      Quote: Klaus
      In America, too, progress: they now have lesbians, gays and transgender people in the army ... 21 zhezh century in the yard !!!

      Lesbians and gays are cleverly equated with the ideas of brotherhood, equality of peoples, free labor, the triumph of the human mind, etc. Dexterously it. It is very ugly on your part, and betrays in you either a person who is not far-sighted or engaged.
      It's a pity. And you started well. But they burned so stupidly))
  21. Kent0001
    Kent0001 6 January 2018 20: 20
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    This is very good, the main thing is not by order, but by the call of heart and soul.
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  23. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 21: 04
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    "The press service of the Western Military District reports that about 4 thousand military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces will celebrate Christmas in churches of Moscow and the Moscow region. These are about three dozen different Orthodox churches, 12 of which are military."

    Hmm ... sad that's all. Priests have reached the army. That's where obscurantism was not enough, it’s in the army!
    And let’s build military mosques and synagogues? Or do we have other religions flawed? Or do we have a religious state? What is going on ??
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 6 January 2018 21: 24
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      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
      Hmm ... sad that's all. Priests have reached the army. That's where obscurantism was not enough, it’s in the army!
      And let’s build military mosques and synagogues? Or do we have other religions flawed? Or do we have a religious state? What is going on ??

      What bothers you more is that there are priests of the Russian Orthodox Church in the army, or that there are no military synagogues? Are you a Jew? So it’s not a problem, pray in your own way, no one is forcing you to Orthodoxy.
      1. osoboye_mneniye
        osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 22: 05
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        Quote: RUSS
        What bothers you more is that there are priests of the Russian Orthodox Church in the army, or that there are no military synagogues? Are you a Jew? So it’s not a problem, pray in your own way, no one is forcing you to Orthodoxy.

        It bothers me both. Priests in the army - because priests carry humility and the darkness of ignorance in the most responsible, technologically and morally developed part of society and the state.
        The absence of synagogues - because if our country, being a secular state, gives preference to one of the religions at the state level, this demonstrates the deficiency of other religions and sets the stage for a religious split in the army and society. Why do the Orthodox in the army have the opportunity to worship their idol, and the Jews and others do not have the opportunity to worship their idols?
        And yes, we are not a Jew. Why are you interested in this?
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 23
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          Quote: osoboye_mneniye
          And yes, we are not ...

          Who are you?
          1. osoboye_mneniye
            osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 22: 37
            +1
            Quote: DalaiLama
            Who are you?

            We are a man!
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 6 January 2018 22: 46
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              In matters regarding religion.
              The Avramic religions have no idols.
              1. osoboye_mneniye
                osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 22: 56
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                Quote: DalaiLama
                The Avramic religions have no idols.

                Never mind. Anyway, there is some kind of fetish that is worshiped - relics, icons, temples, etc.
                Materialists are free from all these conventions. Therefore, they are more free people than worshipers.
                And materialists believe in the power of human consciousness, reason and intellect. Therefore, they can create a stronger and healthier society than worshipers.
                Worship and submission to the fetish is the slavery of the soul. Who and why should enslave the souls of people?
                You see, everything is subtler here than the struggle of images, to which you reduce the question ..
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 6 January 2018 23: 21
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                  Important. A fetish is generally from sexopathology. But materialists swear the flag on the oath?
                  Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                  materialists believe

                  in chintz, in cashmere what exactly? What to do with energy?
                  Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                  materialists believe in the power of human consciousness, reason and intellect. Therefore, they can create a stronger and healthier society than worshipers.

                  at least a controversial statement.
                  Who said that non-materialists do not value reason and intellect?
                  What is consciousness?
                  1. osoboye_mneniye
                    osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 23: 47
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                    Quote: DalaiLama
                    Important. A fetish is generally from sexopathology.

                    Hmm ... lanna ... let's turn to Ushakov's dictionary:
                    "Fetish

                    fetish, fetish, and (unfolded) fetish, husband. (French fetiche).

                    1. In the beliefs of primitive tribes - a deified thing (ethnol.). A collection of Australian fetishes.

                    2. trans. Something that enjoys unquestioned authority, the subject of unconditional recognition, blind worship (books. Neo.). “Science is called science because it does not recognize fetishes ...” Stalin (speech at the 1st All-Union Conference of Stakhanovites). Are we going to bow before ... Backwardness and make an icon out of it, a fetish? Stalin (speech at the 1st All-Union Meeting of the Stakhanovites). "
                    If you think sexopathology is strange here, then this is part of Freud, but not Orthodoxy))
                    Quote: DalaiLama
                    But materialists swear the flag on the oath?

                    But the believers do not kiss him or what? And why are you confusing state symbols with bones and fabulous pictures in salaries? You surprise me more and more))
                    Quote: DalaiLama
                    in chintz, in cashmere what exactly? What to do with energy?

                    I do not understand. Express yourself more clearly. Take the trouble to ask the question in full - with subject, predicate, circumstance, etc. - well, as they taught at school. Tighten up ..
                    Quote: DalaiLama
                    Who said that non-materialists do not value reason and intellect?

                    I said that religious non-materialists do not "do not value", but do not believe in the mind and intellect of man, because they worship a supernatural and otherworldly one that has no scientific explanation. You will not argue with this statement?
                    Quote: DalaiLama
                    What is consciousness?

                    Consciousness is a report in your thoughts and actions. Materialists have a better situation with consciousness than believers, since the thoughts and actions taking place on a materialistic basis are more streamlined, since they are subordinate to their own ideas or goals developed by society, unlike religious ideas and goals imposed on the masses by a narrow group of people, these ideas that do not support and goals not following, and even when lobbying at the state level.
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 7 January 2018 07: 37
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                      The Maykosoft now calls the icon something completely different. Ushakov probably didn’t know what his own was and how many times the main Australian “fetish” could turn around his waist. Comrade Stalin was apparently also a decent person, in the spirit of his time.
                      There was a question why the flag is sworn on the oath, and even now, materialists bow down. State symbols are also in the subject. What is so big about them?
                      Energy is not matter. Have you been taught this? Chintz or cashmere weigh something.
                      You wrote "do not believe." There is not much scientific clarification. By the way, Newton scientifically explained that the Sun is shining because peat is burning on it, and Aristotle came up with flat earth, there is nothing in the Bible about its shape, nor about what it revolves around or revolves around.
                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                      For materialists, things are better with consciousness than for believers, since the thoughts and actions taking place on a materialistic basis are more streamlined.

                      Does not look like. Consciousness is intangible, but it does exist. And often illogical (but rational), especially in women. By the way, a narrow group of materialists, having come to power in the state, first immorally began to socialize.
                      1. osoboye_mneniye
                        osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 12: 07
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                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        The Maykosoft now calls the icon something completely different. Ushakov probably didn’t know what his own was and how many times the main Australian “fetish” could turn around his waist. Comrade Stalin was apparently also a decent person, in the spirit of his time.

                        You are carrying some kind of nonsense)) I gave you an academic definition, and you told me about Microsoft and Stalin. Are you not overheated?
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        There was a question why the flag is sworn on the oath, and even now, materialists bow down. State symbols are also in the subject. What is so big about them?

                        This is an army tradition, a promise to faithfully serve our country and our people. This is also a rite. But without a fetish. State symbols are not a fetish by definition.
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        Energy is not matter. Have you been taught this? Chintz or cashmere weigh something.

                        Shame ... Any object consists of molecules. Molecules of atoms. An atom has energy. You scare me with your ignorance.
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        There is not much scientific clarification. By the way, Newton scientifically explained that the Sun is shining because peat is burning on it, and Aristotle came up with flat earth, there is nothing in the Bible about its shape, nor about what it revolves around or revolves around.

                        As they could in due time, they explained. If they found a better explanation, they would accept it. Unlike the church, scholars seek the truth. And the church holds on to dogma in order to keep the souls of people in slavery.
                        Here is a reference about the church’s attitude to science:
                        http://yablor.ru/blogs/otnoshenie-rpc-k-nauke/477
                        6355
                        Quote: DalaiLama
                        Does not look like. Consciousness is intangible, but it does exist. And often illogical (but rational), especially in women. By the way, a narrow group of materialists, having come to power in the state, first immorally began to socialize.

                        It's you in the milk. Consciousness is the result of the life of the body - the work of neurons - electrical impulses. So it is quite material.
                        The logic and rationality of thinking is just the result of the ability to control your consciousness.
                        About immoral socialization, it’s you who made me laugh))) If you are talking about communists, then this is not a bunch of materialists, there was a popularly elected government. Well, it’s right that they put the means of production at the service of the state and the whole people, and did not leave them in private hands in order to avoid the oppression of one part of society by another.
                        You control your mind poorly, so your behavior is illogical. Work on yourself.
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                    2. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 7 January 2018 13: 52
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                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                      You...

                      Have you looked about the Australian "satire" or forgotten?
                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                      This is an army tradition, a promise to faithfully serve our country and our people. This is also a rite. But without a fetish. State symbols are not a fetish by definition.

                      This has no materialistic explanation. Well, unless you like the matter of which the flag is made. What are these traditions for? Why no fetish? Where is this definition given?
                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                      Shame ... Any object consists of molecules. Molecules of atoms. An atom has energy. You scare me with your ignorance.

                      Really a disgrace. For example, light having energy does not consist of molecules.
                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye

                      As they could in due time, they explained. If they found a better explanation, they would accept it. Unlike the church, scholars seek the truth. And the church holds on to dogma in order to keep the souls of people in slavery.

                      The best of the wrong is not true. The church has generally found it and is holding on to it. What do you care about souls, because they are not composed of atoms and molecules? But do materialists generally have them?
                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                      Consciousness is the result of the life of the body - the work of neurons - electrical impulses. So it is quite material.

                      Is the result of life activity its product? Electrical impulses are not consciousness. What is your identity?
                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                      The logic and rationality of thinking is just the result of the ability to control your consciousness.

                      Not logical. What kind of yoga? Too many persistent irrational “only.”
                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                      It's you in milk

                      it's you in peat like that british scientist
                      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                      About immoral socialization, it’s you who made me laugh))) If you are talking about communists, then this is not a bunch of materialists, there was a popularly elected government. Well, it’s right that they put the means of production at the service of the state and the whole people, and did not leave them in private hands in order to avoid the oppression of one part of society by another.

                      No, about the socialization of wives. No one elected this communist bunch; it came to power as a result of the October coup. Since you are still for the socialization of wives as a means of production, it’s useless for you to work on yourself, obviously you can’t do without outside help.
                      Slavery was then collective farm.
                2. Pissarro
                  Pissarro 7 January 2018 03: 14
                  +2
                  They can create but do not create anything. Theoretically, all)))
    2. Cheldon
      Cheldon 7 January 2018 10: 39
      +1
      Have you ever thought that the glory of the Russian army and faith in God are not separable? For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland! Does this "tagline" say anything to you?
  24. Terenin
    Terenin 6 January 2018 21: 11
    +6
    Quote: User
    It’s hard for me to accept that some people on the Internet present their fantasies as an indisputable fact.

    Do not worry, this is because on the Internet there is no responsibility for the "bazaar", yelled and "into the bushes." As a rule, directly in the team, these "analysts" look pale.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 6 January 2018 21: 25
      +2
      Quote: Terenin
      Do not worry, this is because on the Internet there is no responsibility for the "bazaar", yelled and "into the bushes." As a rule, directly in the team, these "analysts" look pale.

      Have you brought an example from yourself? Bravo, well done, few people admit it.
      1. osoboye_mneniye
        osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 22: 07
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        Have you brought an example from yourself? Bravo, well done, few people admit it.

        You did not understand. This is it about you. This is clear to everyone except you alone.
        Urgently change))
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    Height 6 January 2018 22: 11
    +4
    Quote: siberalt
    Soldiers go to the temple in the winter. What's so bad about that?

    I would not say anything - I would pass for the clever. (FROM)
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    Quote: Varyag_0711
    RUSS Today, 15:59 ↑
    Do not scuff, those who need them in the service at their posts and do not repel their foreheads with bows from the time of Peter the Great, except for the Old Believers.
    For those who did not serve, I inform that the army is ALWAYS at the combat post. The soldier should hang up at 22-00, when will he celebrate Christmas? At this time, he should either be at the fighting post or watch the tenth dream in his bed. Or, in connection with the holiday, will the soldiers lift the next day’s lift?
    And do not turn the army into horseradish into a farce; let them attend churches as much as they like on a citizen.


    But you do not know such a truth: God is God, and Caesar is Caesar! We must not criticize truths, but we must learn to understand them. But, here I agree that in order to understand them, a person needs a different way of thinking, dialectic, otherwise a dead end. No need to approach the problem in a straightforward manner, but we are reasonable.
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 23: 14
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      Quote: Height
      But you do not know such a truth: God is God, and Caesar is Caesar! We must not criticize truths, but we must learn to understand them.

      If sayings were used, and even passed as truth, then intelligible arguments are coming to an end ..))
      How can sayings be understood as truth? What are you talking about ??
      Quote: Height
      to understand them, a person needs a different way of thinking, dialectic, otherwise a dead end.

      To say proverbs, do you need dialectical thinking?
      Lanna ... take the academic definition of dialectical thinking:
      "Greek. dialektike - the art of arguing] - a form of thinking that provides cognition of reality and the ordering of ideas in children. D. m. can be carried out using various mechanisms. One of these mechanisms, which allows the child to carry out independent movement in the knowledge system, is already in It is a structure of information processing that allows you to operate with the opposition. These relationships are included in the structure of any academic subject and any activity. Structures of D. m. arising in preschool children continue to function at school age and in adult subjects in situations involving creative the solution of problems in various fields: science, technology and art.The possibility of using dialectic actions by preschoolers is due to the formation of complex representations that reflect the same object in the aggregate of its diverse properties and relationships, including contradictory ones. Avlens in folklore addressed to children: fairy tales, riddles, etc. .... "
      Source https://vocabulary.ru/termin/dialekticheskoe-mysh
      lenie.html
      And now tell me which of the two of us is a very young person (this is for children, first of all, your dialectical thinking), and who, if not you, is trying to reflect the issue under discussion in the aggregate of diverse contradictory properties and relationships, namely, sayings and truths ??))) And what do these your attempts have to do with the question of the appropriateness of priests in the army ??
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    Quote: osoboye_mneniye
    Quote: DalaiLama
    Who are you?

    We are a man!

    Probably a very young man ?!
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 23: 01
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      Quote: Height
      Probably a very young man ?!

      Are you a fan of Conan Doyle?
      Otherwise, where are such assumptions abstracted from reality?))
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    Quote: osoboye_mneniye
    Quote: Height
    Probably a very young man ?!

    Are you a fan of Conan Doyle?
    Otherwise, where are such assumptions abstracted from reality?))

    Essentially say if you have something to say. Your speculations are not interesting.
    Tell me about reality, you're special.
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 6 January 2018 23: 24
      +2
      Quote: Height
      Essentially say if you have something to say. Your speculations are not interesting.

      Have you already switched to? How lovely))
      You receive from me as substantial answers as your questions are significant.
      I tell you about reality: Do you want to get smart answers - ask smart questions ... if you can))
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    Height 6 January 2018 23: 32
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    Quote: osoboye_mneniye
    God is God and Caesar is Caesar!


    Then he says to them: whose image and inscription is this? They said unto him, Caesar's. Jesus answered them: give Caesar to Caesar, and God to God. And they marveled at him ”(Mark 12: 13-17).

    If quotes from scripture are sayings, then I am a baby.

    About dialectics. To make it clearer, there is such a comparison: you need to look at the ceiling, but starting from the baseboard and then in life a lot will seem like a gift. Something like this.
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 00: 09
      +3
      Quote: Height
      If quotes from scripture are sayings, then I am a baby.

      You do not be offended only. But if the scripture is presented by you as truth, then you deny the achievements of science, which for the time being much more clearly explains the state of affairs and brings real benefits in this world than writing. Most of the population of Russia cannot arrange this state of affairs. All this majority will inevitably perceive the scripture not as a historical document, but as epic tales. From the fact that in the epics there is Kiev and Prince Vladimir, no one considers it possible to take the rest of the allegorical part for documentary truth.
      I really hope that you will agree with me on this.
      In general, whether you are a baby or not, it is not for you to determine, but for your consciousness. And while it is lost in your reality))
      Quote: Height
      About dialectics. To make it clearer, there is such a comparison: you need to look at the ceiling, but starting from the baseboard and then in life a lot will seem like a gift. Something like this.

      Forgive me, very young, of course, once again ... but I gave you a clearly recognized officially recognized definition and interpretation of the definition of dialectics, but you still did not comprehend it and say that "there is such a comparison:")))
      Where does it exist? Who said that it is more accurate than an academic definition and interpretation? What do you evade everything somewhere ??)) You are trying to understand and explain serious terms and definitions and explain how pithecanthropus is on your fingers)
      But if I understand you correctly, then you mean that you need to set real goals for yourself - not to dream about fluttering on the ceiling, but to think about how to better push off from the baseboard. But you must admit that for a materialist this is a more feasible task, since it is purely practical, and solving practical problems requires knowledge that religion proposes to replace with faith in the other world and in scripture.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 7 January 2018 03: 21
        +4
        The argument that religion wants to replace certain knowledge with a certain faith exists exclusively in the head of the materialists and you will never hear it from any priest. Faith and science are in different disjoint planes
        1. osoboye_mneniye
          osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: Pissarro
          The argument that religion wants to replace certain knowledge with a certain faith exists exclusively in the head of the materialists and you will never hear it from any priest. Faith and science are in different disjoint planes

          Read how they do not intersect)))
          "In a recent discussion about the Catholic Church, which recognized the right of evolutionary theory to exist, there was an interesting commentary written by the Russian Orthodox Church on Science Vladimir Rodionov. It noted that among Catholic priests and monks, unlike the Orthodox, there were many outstanding scholars.
          But how does the ROC relate to science now? - I thought and launched a search for the word "science" in the text
          Fundamentals of the social concept of the Russian Orthodox Church (Document adopted by the Anniversary Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church (August 13-16, 2000, Moscow, XXC)

          And imagine what I found there? I quote:
          a significant number of people do not cease to believe (sic!) in the omnipotence of scientific knowledge. ... is a well-known fact that at all times, including the present, many of the most prominent scholars have been and remain religious people

          It is a pity, it is a pity that the outstanding scientists were not named by name) Who could it be? I thought, and began to recall the attitude of Orthodoxy towards scientists in general and science in particular. It should be noted that all print media in the Russian Empire were so-called. "spiritual censorship."

          In 1740, on the initiative of M. Lomonosov, the book of Fontenel, "A Conversation on the Set of Worlds," was published. The Holy Synod recognized the book as “contrary to faith and morality,” the book was seized and destroyed.
          Until 1815, the school manual “Destruction of the Copernican system” was published, in which the author called the heliocentric system “a false philosophical system” and “outrageous opinion”.
          The last work in which the heliocentric system was criticized was the book of Priest Job Nemtsev, published in 1914, “The circle of the earth is motionless, but the sun is moving.” (Maybe this scientist had in mind the Jubilee Cathedral?)


          In 1879-1880, Haeckel’s book, The History of the Tribal Development of Organisms, was banned and burned.
          In 1890, S. Albert’s book, Charles Darwin and His Teachings, which spiritual censors called the “catechism of materialistic denial of religious ideas,” was banned and destroyed.
          In 1902 and 1906, two editions of Haeckel’s book “World Riddles” were burned, as in the book “the idea of ​​animal origin of man passed through as a red thread”

          In 1866, St. Petersburg Metropolitan Isidore asked the Synod to send the physiologist and thinker I.M.Sechenov “for humility and correction” to the Solovetsky Monastery “for the prejudice of harmful and harmful doctrine.”
          In 1830, spiritual censorship for having ideas “contrary to Christian morality, government, and religion” forbade Holbach's “Lunch Talks.”
          In 1890, Voltaire's “Satirical and Philosophical Dialogues” were destroyed, and in 1893 his poetic works in which “anti-religious tendencies” were found

          In 1850, V. Gutzeit’s article “On the Fossils of the Kursk Province” was not allowed for publication, since it “explained the universe” according to the concepts of some geologists who did not agree at all with the cosmogony of Moses.
          In 1866, geology books recognized as “harmful and nihilistic” were removed from the libraries of a number of educational institutions.

          In 1901, the Kharkov bishop Ambrose wrote that the development of science leads to an increase in unbelief, he called scientists “the most dangerous enemies of the church”
          In 1914, Engels's work "Principles of Communism" was banned, and in 1915 they recognized the work "From Classical Idealism to Dialectical Materialism" as "blasphemous"; the entire print run of this book has been destroyed

          Archbishop of Kazan and Sviyazhsky, rector of the Kiev Theological Academy Anthony (Amphitheaters) called railways, gas lighting, and a telegraph “devilish” and “godless”. Close thoughts were expressed by Bishop Leonid (Krasnopevkov), wrote: “Railways directly affect the brain. Roads and telegraphs make your head work too fast. ”
          Archimandrite Theophanes (Govorov), rector of the St. Petersburg Theological Academy, wrote about the open "hostility" of technological progress to Christian truth. Theophanes is glorified in the face of saints at the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1988.

          But it was a long time ago. And now, probably, the Orthodox repented, fell in love with science and technological progress?
          Indeed, in response to a letter from ten academics, the Russian Orthodox Church announced that “the Russian Orthodox Church in the past recognized and appreciated science, and in the present recognizes and appreciates it”?
          Read in full: http://yablor.ru/blogs/otnoshenie-rpc-k-nauke/477
          6355 "
          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 9 January 2018 03: 56
            +1
            If this is true, then maybe in all these books there were some wrong words about religion?
            Darwin was a sea chaplain if that. Among Russian priests, scientists also exist and always have been.
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        Height 8 January 2018 00: 47
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        To testify for a large part of Russia is not a thankful task. This is the first. Secondly, treating the Bible as something secondary is simply stupid. It turns out, as in that fable by Aesop, about a fox who could not get grapes and left with nothing, saying that he is still green. I repeat, you are given a set of laws of the universe, try to decrypt it. Criticizing him is not grateful. The New Testament is in your hands.
        Now about dialectics! They pulled out the first available quote from the Internet, and based on this, a conclusion was drawn. And they delivered a verdict. This is how we think and live.
        And now about dialectics:
        From an article by E. E. Krasheninnikov: Dialectics is the logic of the destruction of contradictions as the impossibility of the simultaneous existence of two opposites.
        1. THE MEANING OF DIALECTIC THINKING.
        2. Dialectical thinking as a way to resolve conflicts.
        3. Dialectical thinking as a desire to comprehend reality.
        4. The development of dialectical thinking as an appropriation of one's own.
        5. The laws of dialectics.

        https://refdb.ru/look/1872968-pall.html
        I would like to highlight about children: According to the research of N.E. Veraks, he showed that dialectical thinking is not the property of only very developed adults, geniuses; children have it, and geniuses are those people who have it preserved despite all the surrounding circumstances.
        I agree that children, at first, live by feelings, not consciousness. And through feelings it is easier to understand the laws of the universe. But over time, this gift may disappear. Because consciousness will come into force, and it is important, but secondary to feelings.
        And one more thing: I do not renounce science and believe that science plus religion is the highest point of development, I am not afraid of this statement.
        I’ll not clog the air anymore! If you have questions, then in PM.
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 9 January 2018 04: 05
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          Children are usually characterized by chastity, which in adults is destroyed especially by dialectics.
          Christ also said, "Be like a little sim."
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    Quote: osoboye_mneniye
    Quote: Height
    Essentially say if you have something to say. Your speculations are not interesting.

    Have you already switched to? How lovely))
    You receive from me as substantial answers as your questions are significant.
    I tell you about reality: Do you want to get smart answers - ask smart questions ... if you can))

    I don’t need anything from you.
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 7 January 2018 00: 15
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      Quote: Height
      I don’t need anything from you.

      You need the truth from me. It’s just that your consciousness is not yet ready to receive the truth. But you will definitely get it))
      Since you were not taught to treat strangers with “you”, I suspect that a very young person is not me, but you)) I am very happy about this, since you have a long enough life ahead of you to know the truth.
      May peace be with you!
      1. Height
        Height 7 January 2018 00: 39
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        Yes, I try to contact you, but it doesn’t always work out, after this appeal you are as if you were reaching for a kiss. And so, I am always with you to friends and enemies. Well, if I offended you, sorry. And thanks for the good wishes. I wish you peace too!
  31. Height
    Height 6 January 2018 23: 57
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    Quote: VERESK
    And after all, this sentry has the functions of God whom to punish whom And nefig climb into a protected area.

    A guard or a guard? Three gods? The law of unity is violated. That house will not stand ...
    Or rather, the head of the guard, if he wants, will have everyone.
    1. Cheldon
      Cheldon 7 January 2018 10: 49
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      Verily! Merry Christmas to you!
  32. Klaus
    Klaus 7 January 2018 05: 13
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    ... what's in people's heads? .. At a military (!) forum ... It’s scary ... not, well, really!
  33. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 7 January 2018 14: 54
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    Got it.
    Soon, such an army would order not planes and field kitchens, but flying carpets and self-assembled tablecloths.
    1. Klaus
      Klaus 7 January 2018 15: 18
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      And more sofa analysts. Divorced here like a guana after a bath. They didn’t serve, or they “left” for one year
  34. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 7 January 2018 19: 33
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    Some kind of obscurantism
  35. Loki_2
    Loki_2 9 January 2018 19: 44
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    This is a unique unit, in which since 1995, it is the novices of the monastery who serve not only for military and other military training, but also church services.


    - We have beliefs.
    - What are these beliefs?
    “We believe in our Lord, Govinda, but he doesn’t tell us to shoot people.”
    - Everything, you suit us. And your govinda is nothing. Liquid, but nothing. And again you do not need to cut. And you people are apparently hardy: 4 hours “Hare Krishna” to shout - this is not everyone can do ... You’ll go to the chemical army.
  36. Hiw
    Hiw 7 March 2018 19: 17
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    Quote: azkolt
    Rather, brains do not work for you. Read the Bible and then you will understand about "do not kill." Many people are mistaken in accepting the words of the Bible “Do not kill” as a prohibition of war. In fact, the Hebrew word in Exodus 20:13 literally means “intentional, intentional killing of another person with malice”. God often ordered the Israelites to start wars against other nations (1 Samuel 15: 3; Joshua 4:13). God imposed the death penalty for many crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So God is not against killing at all, but rather against intentional killing. War is by no means a good thing, but sometimes it is necessary. In a world full of sinful people (Romans 3: 10-18), war is inevitable. Throughout its Christian history, Russia fought and fought, often successfully and always before the battle, people prayed, always the first thing that they built were temples! If you look, for example, in tsarist times, the temples of estate nobles were always richer and more beautiful than their estates. And this happened from the time when the nobility was serving, that is, as a modern officer

    Come on ...... Well, how do you quote where Christ gave amendments and clarification on the fact that do not kill it only if intentionally ??? Christ didn’t say such a thing, he said clearly and clearly in the New Testament - do not kill, there is no explanation there that if it wasn’t specially possible he didn’t give - do not lie dear and do not interpret, do not interrupt the business from the priests, they will explain everything without you and they will sell candles in the temple and explain everything why it is possible to sell in the temples .......
    I say again - you kill in war, so be honest, do not hide behind faith - not in Russian it