Russian Defense Ministry: as a result of shelling by militants of the Khmeimim airbase, two servicemen were killed

Two soldiers died on December 31 as a result of mortar shelling by militants of Hmeymim airbase in Syria. This was reported on Thursday at the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

31 December 2017 of the year with the onset of the dark time of the day Hmeymim airfield was subjected to a sudden mortar shelling of a mobile commando group of militants. As a result of the shelling, two servicemen were killed.

- said in a statement.

At the same time, the defense ministry noted that the information about the destruction of seven planes by militants at December’s 31 airbase in Symeim in Syria does not correspond to reality.

The message of Kommersant about the alleged "actual destruction" of seven Russian military aircraft at the Khmeimim airbase is a fake. The Russian air group in Syria is combat-ready and continues to perform all the tasks for its intended purpose in full.

- Said in the Ministry of Defense.

Also, the Defense Ministry said that "the Syrian security agencies are taking measures to search for and destroy the militants involved in the attack, as well as to strengthen the security regime of the territory adjacent to the airbase."

Comments

[ul_vitalii]

Scanty information, well, at least that.

[the most important]

Hmm ... five days was not enough for details ... or everything is really bad.

[Puss in Boots]

the press center did not work in connection with the holidays !!! for that and the calculation of the fake guns

[Pereira]

These days only office plankton thumps. The rest work just like on regular days.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Pereira

These days only office plankton thumps. The rest work just like on regular days.

Does the Labor Code of the Russian Federation do not apply to you, or is it being held at brick mini-factories in Ingushetia?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Thumping is bad. As for the sides, the SU-24 seems to have suffered.


29 white

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
Thumping is bad. About the sides SU-24 seems to have suffered.

All within. The radio said that as many as 7 boards were damaged / destroyed ...

[Inok10]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

All within. The radio said that as many as 7 boards were damaged / destroyed ...

... another Duck ... below is a photo comparison ... this is the Okrainsky Su-24 that caught MANPADS ... ...

[gig334]

Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
Where did these dubious photos come from? the first photo is clearly not from the base .. where the strip is all wet and cloudy .. In Syria where the base is located, from 31 to 4 there were no rains. And it can be seen that the photo from old times is not fresh. The second photo is also unclear where. And only the third from the base.
Another fakodrot.

[Deck]

War correspondent Roman Saponkov published photos of the damaged Su-24M bomber from the Khmeimim air base. At the fighting vehicle, the right all-turning stabilizer is destroyed and the hydraulic system is broken through a fragment.

[Pancir026]

Quote: Deck

Roman Saponkov published photos of the damaged Su-24M bomber from the Khmeimim air base.

https://dambiev.livejournal.co... - цинк

According to the nomenclature of damaged aircraft, Saponkov writes: Pre-6 Su-24, 1 Su-35S, 1 An-72, 1 An-30 reconnaissance, 1 Mi-8. 2 Su-24 and Su-35S put into operation.

RBC gives other figures:

A RBC source in the Ministry of Defense said that one helicopter and an SU-24 were damaged during the attack. “The shelling was carried out from the MLRS [multiple launch rocket systems] from the de-escalation zone, mortars worked from the zone under the protection of the Syrians. Two of the dead are helicopter pilots, ”said the source of RBC in the Ministry of Defense.
According to him, the duty around the base was organized "as expected". “The rockets fired, but the mortar shots - it’s almost impossible to shoot them down. [The consequence of the attack will be] complete cleansing and expansion of the [protected] zone [around the base]. When they shoot in the back, I’m not always ready for this. ” - noted the source.
That is, it will be done what I wrote a little earlier. Now the command of the base will receive a non-jerking fly-overs, they will shovel the adjacent sectors, the Syrians will be warmed up by the first number.

[RUSS]

Quote: gig334

Where did these dubious photos come from?

This photo was taken by Military journalist Roman Saponkov.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: RUSS

“The rockets fired, but the mortar shots - it’s almost impossible to shoot them down

Carapace shoots down MLRS? Iron Dome resting?

[1959ain]

We have such a war correspondent - Romchik Saponkov. Here is his acc in VK - Roman Saponkov. He covered the conflicts in the Donbass and in Syria. He gave trump materials, no complaints about this. Over time, as it should be, I got regular readers and running into the light once a week. Since I often hung out in the comments under his posts, I drew attention to the fact that members of the circle of Tolik Nesmyan dominate among the former. Actually, the phenomenon is abnormal. Only with time did he doper, which draws them to Saponkov for the same reason that they read Tolik. Saponkov, like Nesmiyan, made an extremely rare sample, here is one example. I’m copying from my post on one well-known forum. “When Palmyra was almost abandoned, Saponkov posted in his VK such an entertaining sour: https://domu4.livejournal.com/100392.html

[Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich]

And he deliberately took these photos from such a tricky angle so that the identification marks on the board’s ownership did NOT hit the frame ???
Such a simple question did not occur to you ?! :-)))

[gig334]

Why did Roman Saponkov not take off the whole plane, but only the tail, why the photo of the old cut? why around the strip greens and trucks of Soviet times? And why the strip is all wet from rain, although there was no rain in Syria. Look at the weather. Stop raving already, it’s clear that the photo is quite old. Now everyone will feel like looking for photos of damaged SU-24s and uploading them to the network, saying that this is from the Khmeimim base. In addition, the fake talked about 7 destroyed planes together with an ammunition depot. Why didn't the dubious photographer take it off?

[Force]

Also tormented by doubts about the photos ...
But there were rains these days, so anything is possible ...
https://www.gismeteo.ru/weather-ladhiqiyah-5380/m
onth /

[airgus]

And the type in a pixel jacket and blue technical pants does not bother? in hohland would be of this type for such a jacket in the same asphalt and rolled up))))

[Town Hall]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Thumping is bad. As for the sides, the SU-24 seems to have suffered.


29 white

Not really like a mine break ...

[1959ain]

Kristina, We have such a war correspondent - Romchik Saponkov. Here is his acc in VK - Roman Saponkov. He covered the conflicts in the Donbass and in Syria. He gave trump materials, no complaints about this. Over time, as it should be, I got regular readers and running into the light once a week. Since I often hung out in the comments under his posts, I drew attention to the fact that members of the circle of Tolik Nesmyan dominate among the former. Actually, the phenomenon is abnormal. Only with time did he doper, which draws them to Saponkov for the same reason that they read Tolik. Saponkov, like Nesmiyan, made an extremely rare sample, here is one example. I copy from my post on one famous forum. “When Palmyra was almost left, Saponkov posted such an entertaining sour in his VK: A very interesting popular sketch from Saponkov vividly illustrates“ Bagdasarov’s syndrome. ”But if real professionals worked for me to go to the feeder in Syria, everything would have been more beautiful Saponkov, for example, would surely be able to publish parallel and current reports from Aleppo and Palmyra daily. Https://domu4.livejournal.com/100392.html https://glav.su/files/messages/2016/12/ 10/4173027
_f9d9337d1fc894dd1854a4a9bfcbd6e9.png HERE Here is all the relation to Saponkov

[1959ain]

Ivan, Nikolai, the question is: if the shelling was at night, the photo was taken during the day. Has fuel or alcohol drained for so long? OR IR CAMERA REMOVED FROM OVSKII satellite https://pp.userapi.com/c840536/v840536348/3da86/7
4OjWWZ_YUI.jpg https://pp.userapi.com/c840536/v840536348/3da86/7
4OjWWZ_YUI.jpg

[Vladimir K.]

In the first photo exactly Syria, otherwise everything looks right like mine outside the window in Yaroslavl? - puddles and thawed snow))))

[Inok10]

[quote = Aristarkh Ludwigovich] Thumping is harmful. As for the sides, the SU-24 seems to have suffered .quote =]
... bullshit is complete ... we carefully look at the photo ... there are no identifiable Russian air forces ... and this "caught" MANPADS ukrovermahtovsky Su-24 - flew in from behind from behind ... otherwise the vertical keel would simply not be there sieve from fragments of mines and the fuselage, too, should go ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

... complete bullshit ... Inok10

Here is what the Military Informant writes: As soon as footage of damage to the Su-24M appeared, the question arose of where the footage was taken. Using the photo, it’s quite difficult to make the location binding, asphalt taxiing and a faint background in the photo of “drying” with a broken tank, but everything is very similar to Khmeimim.

Therefore, seeing the tail number - 29 white, we immediately set about searching for it in frames from the air base. It was not difficult to find such personnel, but all of them are dated 2016, and aircraft rotation could happen more than once in two years. Therefore, we decided to build on viewing fresh frames. On December 7, 2017, the plot of TV channel Russia 24 “Fist operations in Syria: new fighters arrived at the Khmeimim base in September” was released. The frame hit the Su-24M 29 white with PTB and suspended fabs. At the same time, it is possible that old frames were mounted in the plot to increase the timing - this is a common practice. It is possible that the board could have returned home by this time - but there is no evidence for this yet.

[Muvka]

Well, in a good way, it really can be a photo of a Ukrainian plane. They have the same markings and colors.

[Inok10]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Therefore, seeing the tail number - 29 white, we immediately set about searching for it in frames from the air base. It was not difficult to find such personnel, but all of them are dated 2016, and aircraft rotation could happen more than once in two years. Therefore, we decided to build on viewing fresh frames. On December 7, 2017, the plot of TV channel Russia 24 “Fist operations in Syria: new fighters arrived at the Khmeimim base in September” was released. The frame hit the Su-24M 29 white with PTB and suspended fabs.

... Dear ... yesterday I laid out on the Comte and this "argument" ... do not drown for "29 white" - you have to watch with your own eyes - HOW IT IS APPLIED! ... admire ...

[Spec]

Compare the painting of the toe of vertical plumage b / n 29 on the frames of the Republic of Tajikistan and on the rest. Even without identification marks it is clear that these are different sides. Well, or he urgently tinted specially before NG or the arrival of the Supreme.

[hrych]

And my respect, monk Mina is clearly not fragmentary or what it was.

[Inok10]

Quote: hrych

Mina is clearly not fragmentary or what it was.

... ... Lugansk the result of the explosion of 82 mm mines ... admire the men ...

[Vladimir K.]

Well, this does not attract “completely destroyed” ones - I think they can fix it right on the base by writing out a couple of specialists and the necessary spare parts from the manufacturer.

[hrych]

A steering stabilizer for replacement will be found in Syria, there are those written off for donation. It was lucky that it got to the edge of the stabilizer, the mechanism is unlikely to be damaged. It is fortunate that the hole in the tank is right in the hatch; it can be removed, changed or repaired easily. There is a hole in the case, there is a lot of putty, then grind and go. Business something.

[Muvka]

But it still bothers me that the shelling was at night, and the photo is clearly not the earliest morning. The hole is not at the bottom. How much fuel can there be at that level so that it flows for 5 hours or more with a rather strong stream and does not leak out? This is strange.

[Inok10]

Quote: hrych

A steering stabilizer for replacement will be found in Syria, there are those written off for donation. It was lucky that it got to the edge of the stabilizer, the mechanism is unlikely to be damaged.

... Grunt, my respect! ... ... why is a pristine vertical tail tail, as if a mine exploded in 1 meter? ... if someone has forgotten 82/120 mm the mine blows nafig all around in a radius of 10 m. guaranteed ... there shouldn’t be vertical at all then and the fuselage should be a sieve, but it is also surprising ... nothing to discuss here .. .

Quote: Muvka

But it still bothers me that the shelling was at night, and the photo is clearly not the earliest morning. The hole is not at the bottom. How much fuel can there be at that level so that it flows for 5 hours or more with a rather strong stream and does not leak out? This is strange.

... and this is also a fun fact ...

[gig334]

anyone can do such fakes

[gig334]

Full view photo
http://pixs.ru/showimage/glavjpg_8284843_28894351
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http://pixs.ru/showimage/Su24naUkra_5413391_28894
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[Pereira]

MOSKVITYANIN Today, 17: 03

I am begging you. Look out the window. Do not ride buses? Aircraft do not fly?
Is the grocery store near your home closed for a week? Is there electricity in the house? And you are the labor code, the labor code. Are we definitely living in the same country?

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Pereira I am begging you. Look out the window. Do not ride buses? Aircraft do not fly?

I belittle you, read the RF Labor Code, including its section Section IV and Art. 103 in particular ...
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_34
683 /

Is the grocery store near your home closed for a week? Is there electricity in the house?

There people work of suspicious nationality (still not local), they are happy to work on the weekend (double payment according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation), or shift work ...

Are we definitely living in the same country?

I’m still local (Russian), and in which country you live in, I somehow do not care, gee ...

[Pereira]

they are happy to work on the weekend (double payment according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation), or shift work.

These words are not of a boy, but of a husband. Normal people have double wages. An office that is needed in production, with 3 numbers in the workplace. And office plankton thumps.
By the way. In the shops around my house there are no incomprehensible ones, all Russians.

[lis-ik]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

There people work of suspicious nationality (still not local), they are happy to work on the weekend (double payment according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation), or shift work.

Are you really not from this country or a schoolchild yet, for example, local people work in my store (it is forbidden to be local by law), who pays double payment for trading on weekends? Even under the USSR they did not pay. It looks like you haven’t even tried to work yet!

[verner1967]

Quote: lis-ik

who pays double pay on weekends when trading? Even under the USSR they did not pay. It looks like you haven’t even tried to work yet!

in general, I agree with you, but trade is different, those who do not receive a double salary change, but we pay them a bonus for work on holidays (more people are served), those who receive a double day for five days. The USSR is not an example here, they have worked there all their lives for thanks.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

lis-ik or schoolboy yet

Hey, tell your dad about a schoolboy ....

local people work in my store (not local by law)

Under what kind of Law can one not work locally, why are you hanging noodles on your ears, have you sent a link to the Law?

who pays double pay on weekends

If your hard workers have a five-day stay and they work for you without declaring that they agree to work on the weekend and you do not pay them double wages, then you violate the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, another thing if your hard workers have a shift schedule ....

Even under the USSR they did not pay.

Storyteller. Under the USSR, if you violated the Labor Code of the RSFSR (each republic had its own Labor Code), you would be sent to the logging department alive .....
Well, if you think that you are right, it’s weak for you to write your aphorism to the local prosecutor’s office and / or the Labor Inspectorate:

who pays double pay on weekends

(indicating the BIN of his almshouse) or s ... l?

[lis-ik]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Quote: Pereira

These days only office plankton thumps. The rest work just like on regular days.

Does the Labor Code of the Russian Federation do not apply to you, or is it being held at brick mini-factories in Ingushetia?

The country is full of areas of activity that official holidays do not apply to, I will not list, but there are a lot of precisely those industries that work, which would make you feel more comfortable!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: lis-ik

The country is full of areas of activity that official holidays do not apply to, I will not list, but there are many precisely those industries that work ...

From bakers to metallurgists

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: lis-ik

The country is full of areas of activity that official holidays do not apply to, I will not list, but there are many precisely those industries that work ...

From bakers to metallurgists

There are industries with a special mode of operation, but this does not mean that they do not apply to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation .... including norms relating to the regime of work and rest ... of workers ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: lis-ik

The country is full of areas of activity that official holidays do not apply to, I will not list, but there are many precisely those industries that work ...

From bakers to metallurgists

+ special services, Moscow Region, Ministry of Internal Affairs, doctors, Ministry of Emergencies, Housing and Public Utilities, etc., etc. !!!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

lis-ik The country is full of areas of activity that are not covered by official holidays

Well, tell me, which sectors of the current (including labor) legislation of the Russian Federation do not apply to such industries?
Indicating PSRN / TIN companies ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Which such industries are not subject to the current (including labor) legislation of the Russian Federation?

It applies to everything, do not panic ...
The phrase "continuous production" google yourself, for a change, for example.
About the army - polymilitia - etc remember ...
And stop asking military questions already

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Golovan Jack The phrase "continuous production" google yourself, for a change, for example.

There people (example: Open-hearth furnaces) are tied with chains ...?

And stop asking military questions already

What kind of military questions to ask?
Are we discussing the observance (of the facts of its violation) of the labor legislation of the Russian Federation or is it a mess in ensuring security (lack thereof) on our VVB in the SAR?

[Serg koma]

Quote: moskowit

And most importantly, they operate on global values ​​...

Saponkov writes: Pre-6 Su-24, 1 Su-35S, 1 An-72, 1 An-30 reconnaissance, 1 Mi-8. 2 Su-24 and Su-35S put into operation

(repost from the "Russian Spring")
This implies:
1. Shoigu in front of Saponko keeps a report in a straight line every hour
2. Saponko personally “destroyed / damaged” the listed aircraft
TOTAL: Muda ringing on the Internet, writing for the sake of "likes / views" can not be counted !!!

[figwam]

So the fact of the shelling is confirmed. It is possible that some aircraft could be damaged.

[just exp]

they claim that seven planes were not destroyed, but they did not say about six planes and less or more than seven, moreover, the fact that they were silent for so many days suggests that our Defense Ministry is actually hiding losses. so from now on I don’t believe either, I don’t believe either liberals, nor IO.
and they both lie.
condolences to the families of the deceased, the expectation that everyone on the 31st would be either buzzy or engaged in other holiday events in the course paid off.
along the way they will now drink less because they will know that thumping is equal to death ...

[figwam]

As I understand it, the blow was dealt on New Year's Eve, at the most vulnerable moment. If there are 2 dead, then there is an even greater number of wounded. And the planes do not have to be destroyed, if there are fragmentation hits, then the plane is out of order and is not combat ready, so they will be disassembled and sent to a repair plant, and new ones will fly to replace them.

[Deck]

27 December, the group "Second coastal brigade of the SSA" reported the shelling of the base. They illustrated this with a photograph of a shell with the inscription "Sochi is yours, and our Hama"

[aws4]

obviously this is so ...

[Gray brother]

27-go was the launch of a missile at the base. The rocket is downed.
You can write at least a three-letter word on the fence.

[Siban]

Quote: Deck

27 December, the group "Second coastal brigade of the SSA" reported the shelling of the base. They illustrated this with a photograph of a shell with the inscription "Sochi is yours, and our Hama"

I note that the inscription on the shell is clearly in any of the Turkic languages ​​(Turkoman).

[Azim77]

Yes, the first line of the signature is the Syrian Turkmens.
From the wiki:

Currently, Syrian Turkmens live mainly in the province of Latakia and in the province of Aleppo [8]. Since the beginning of the Civil War in Syria, their representatives have been fighting against the central government in Damascus [9]. In 2011, the “Syrian Turkmen Movement” was created in Turkey, and a year later the “Syrian Turkmen Platform”, which is supported by the official authorities of Turkey [10] Of the armed forces of the Syrian Turkmen, the “Syrian Turkmen Brigade”, “Jabal at-Turkman Brigade” ( linked to al-Qaeda through the Al-Nusra Front) and the "Sultan Selim Brigade" [11]

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Siban

Quote: Deck

27 December, the group "Second coastal brigade of the SSA" reported the shelling of the base. They illustrated this with a photograph of a shell with the inscription "Sochi is yours, and our Hama"

I note that the inscription on the shell is clearly in any of the Turkic languages ​​(Turkoman).

let's hope that after all that has happened, the naga will speed up the denouement in this area and further in Idlib !!!

[protoss]

inscription in turkish. “Turkmendagi. Soch yours, our boor "
it turns out the fire was fired from the region of the Turkmen mountain (northern Latakia)

[zyzx]

And should the army report to you? This is for you at a kindergarten, but a military organization, it must defend its homeland, and not tweet in tweet.

[just exp]

why then about Pabda over the igil they reported so quickly? because they should not report to me, but they will cheerfully report successes on the same day. but as they raked, so silent.
I would also like at work so much that I would if I did well. me to the prize, if I screwed up, then I don’t have to report anything to anyone.

[seregatara1969]

igil destroyed as a single and large organization! but the mattress covers are sending more and more saboteurs - small inconspicuous compounds are difficult to track and destroy! guerrilla warfare

[Gray brother]

Quote: seregatara1969

igil destroyed as a single and large organization!

In addition to the IG there are "moderate" full - they also need to be allowed to flow. Now Rubilovo is going cruel in Hama, the VKS are actively ironing the bearded.

[krot]

The Second World War also officially ended for us on May 9, and the Fritz and all sorts of “forest brothers” were chased after that for a long time! And this does not cancel that victory on May 9!

[just exp]

and ours didn’t know that the mattresses were sending new ones? ours know not only that, they know how they are sent, where they are cooked, but they are silent and swallowed.
Jews would have long ago shed those training bases, but ours are silent and hope that their mattresses will regret them. lol, they hope that the cannibal will refuse the human meat. Zadornov was wrong, not stupid mattresses, our stupid ones who make decisions.
and guerrilla warfare is easy to stop, you just need their provisions and ammunition. and the experience of circumcision of a similar thing in our mother is not grieving.
but do not apply.
in the course of ours, Iran’s influence is more concerned than the spirits themselves.

[figwam]

Quote: just explo

why then about Pabda over the igil they reported so quickly?

The igil is destroyed as a state, but some groups will continue to organize terror for a long time, especially if the FSA, the organizer and financier of all this are sitting nearby.

[Commander]

You are not the boss over the Ministry of Defense, if that. Or will you also send the Strategic Missile Forces launch codes by email?

[Colonel]

Quote: just explo

what if I did well. me to the prize

Hey, didn’t you confuse a workbench with a machine gun ???

[Pilat2009]

Quote: just explo

why then about Pabda over the igil they reported so quickly?

Well, for example, the Basmachi remained in Central Asia until the 30s, and the forest brothers right up to the 50s.

[protoss]

so in that area there are no and there were no isils, and the isils are now east together with the Asadists against htsh.

[Pancir026]

Quote: just explo

and they both lie.

But will it become easier for you if you speak about the losses publicly?
Actually, it’s normal practice not to disclose your losses.
Another question, if the barmalei, can use mortars, what is the caliber and why is the security zone so small that the shellings are so easily carried out by these dushmans.

[krops777]

Another question, if the barmalei, can use mortars, what is the caliber and why is the security zone so small that the shellings are so easily carried out by these dushmans.

Of course, you can ask questions, but to whom, and most importantly, who will answer them, I also have a question what the FSB, SVR and GuGshVSRF did to prevent this from happening.

[Pancir026]

Quote: krops777

FSB, SVR and GuGshVSRF

But what do these structures have to do with this? Do they deal with issues of protecting the base?
The commander of the base is responsible for the perimeter of the base, for reconnaissance around the base, for providing ambush and other anti-sabotage missions. Including such questions as mining of places of possible attacks, including mortar attacks.
Since this became possible, this means that their activities and the command of the base have not been fully implemented, plus cooperation with the ATS troops has not been established.

[krops777]

And what have these structures to do with it?

And despite the fact that these igil, saa and other riffraff and fart (sorry for the expression) can not without the United States and this is just the profile of those same special services.

[Pancir026]

Quote: krops777

And despite the fact that these igil, saa and other riffraff and fart (sorry for the expression) can not without the United States and this is just the profile of those same special services.

Once again, what does all your pretentiousness have to do with it now? If they are responsible for everything now, the command of the base. What are you sculpting some obviously understandable nonsense?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: krops777

Another question, if the barmalei, can use mortars, what is the caliber and why is the security zone so small that the shellings are so easily carried out by these dushmans.

Of course, you can ask questions, but to whom, and most importantly, who will answer them, I also have a question what the FSB, SVR and GuGshVSRF did to prevent this from happening.

FSB and where ????

[PSih2097]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

FSB and where ???? recourse recourse recourse

and special offices from which offices are equipped?

[RUSS]

Quote: Pancir026

But will it become easier for you if you speak about the losses publicly?

Easier as the information vacuum is filled with shit.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Pancir026
But will it become easier for you if you speak about the losses publicly?
Actually, it’s normal practice not to disclose your losses.

I myself will somehow deal with this and it’s normal practice for which countries, among empirialists, for example, a list of names can be found in newspapers and websites ....
And how do I still learn about the combat effectiveness of our army and the intelligence of its leadership ....
Who will be responsible for everything, again no one, at first they send the Su-24 without fighter cover, then under their nose the mortar crews of the militants (without shooting) destroy 7 aircraft .... (according to the idea of ​​those who are standing in single / group parking lots surrounded by an earthen rampart) ....

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: just explo

MO really hides losses. so from now on I don’t believe either, I don’t believe either liberals, nor IO.

Sorry of course, but why do you need to know how much and how ?!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: just explo

MO really hides losses. so from now on I don’t believe either, I don’t believe either liberals, nor IO.

Sorry of course, but why do you need to know how much and how ?!

And what does he not have the right to know, or does he only have the obligation to pay taxes?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: just explo

MO really hides losses. so from now on I don’t believe either, I don’t believe either liberals, nor IO.

Sorry of course, but why do you need to know how much and how ?!

And what does he not have the right to know, or does he only have the obligation to pay taxes?

you really demand then that you all revealed Old ... from the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the GRU and the SVR !!!

[Yuyuka]

you really demand then that you all revealed Old ... from the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the GRU and the SVR !!!

many want to be in the know and give advice ... that's just the most important rule in any military operations - as little as possible information that can be used by the enemy. And in Syria, the Americans are now the main enemy. You can’t refuse them analytics and the ability to do dirty tricks.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Yuyuka many want to be in the know and give advice ...

It’s enough for me to keep abreast of things, especially about those cases that are known to the same American taxpayer, and it’s like how to pay taxes, so the people of the Russian Federation are taxpayers, and how to find out the truth about our gouging, so he, and Westerners know all that that is not allowed to our citizens ....
And it turns out not the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but a gang that only takes the money for the protection of the roof (there really is nothing to know) ...

[Filxnumx]

Have you graduated from a school not with a gold medal? Or maybe you are a graduate student? No? Then, with what fright did your curiosity suddenly come to an end? If you really need info about the number of damaged aircraft at one (albeit extraordinary) airbase of the Russian airborne forces, that life isn’t nice without it, go to Syria and help the local ITS TEC in the restoration of AT in the field or arrange perimeter security so that neither one bearded louse did not slip. Only I suspect that it’s easier for people like you to show off “erudition” over a glass of beer, chuckling at the “losers there” than to really help.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Filxnumx go to Syria and help the local ITS TEC in the restoration of ATs in the field or arrange perimeter security so that not a single bearded louse will slip.

So this is how it is! So the country is tearing itself up to provide the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation at the expense of other budget items, H and W, housing, high salaries, and when the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation sit in a puddle, the country cannot ask anything from them, so what?
I’m a tax payer with a white salary and I have the right to know who caused the RF Armed Forces to suffer losses, I’m not dumb trembling, otherwise why would I need such armed forces that do not fulfill their functions ....
It is enough that the Army of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / RF was never ready for a single war, it perished (was captured), as a result of which the people themselves took up arms and won the war ....
You can’t cope with the task, quit the RF Armed Forces, find a replacement do not worry ...
The people are hunching their way to the Army, and they still have no right to know about the “shoals” of the command of this army, in peacetime, they also have the right to judge for this ... and not just to dismiss ... the “boots” are completely offended, or something ? They can’t provide the perimeter of the VVB security there, and they insult me, for their lack of fitness ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

I am a taxpayer with a white salary and I have the right to know the fault of whom, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation suffered losses

sorry why? !!
well really
can you help with something or something? !!
you at the doctor’s operating table will demand the same entire plan of the operation, or you will nevertheless go to his experience and knowledge

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

So the country is tearing itself up to provide the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation at the expense of other budget items, H and W, housing, high salaries, and when the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation sit in a puddle, the country cannot ask anything from them, so what?

Well, I don’t think that you are so torn, I’m not sure that YOU need to know who exactly and how you were punished

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

The people are hunching their way to the Army, and they still have no right to know about the “shoals” of the command of this army in peacetime, they also have the right to judge for this ... and not just to dismiss ...

Excuse me, but who do you personally hunch over? !!!!

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

quite "boots" overgrown, or what?

you straight yourself in all its glory showed

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

and they insult me, for their lack of fitness ...

and who exactly did YOU personally offend ?!
so far you have written such that in real life you could already get in the face

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

And what does he not have the right to know, or does he only have the obligation to pay taxes?

you watch a magnificent performance, you are sure that you need to know that the actress got the role after sleeping with the director, that other actresses hate her for this, that the actor plays the main role homosexual, etc. etc.
excuse me, what part of the liver was cut off from a patient in a regional hospital
how often and in what position does galkin sleep with pugacheva? !!!
if so then you to another site

[Uralean]

You do not believe, so do not believe .. And what is hysteria ??? I don’t trust anyone .... Usa Wruttt .. If you have the patience, you will know everything .. If you don’t open everything now, then it’s necessary right now, until the time comes when you need to know .. It all depends on the real situation in a circle Khmeimim airbases .. And all kinds of incontinence and soon baking inform pies, only affect psychosis and wave raising .... Nobody has canceled secret information in combat situations .. As well as throwing in discriminatory information intended for alarmism, and not considered statements and steps.)))

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: just explo

they claim that seven aircraft were not destroyed, but about six aircraft and less or more than seven they did not say

Is it difficult for you to find an article on a merchant ???

According to Kommersant’s information, that day the air base was fired by radical Islamists, resulting in the destruction of at least seven aircraft: four Su-24 front-line bombers, two Su-35S multipurpose fighters and the An-72 military transport aircraft . More than ten military personnel could be injured.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3514249

moreover, the article is already amended on the 4th day !!!

[lis-ik]

So about concealment of losses, this is a common practice, infuriate mud-bells in large epaulets and a lazy form trumpeting about victories.

[Shahno]

Of course. Next time, the entire base will be smashed. Or someone will think about it.

[askort154]

Aristarkh Ludwigovich....a and the country has not sobered up yet

With such a “chasing nickname”, apparently sober not destined to be in life.

[xetai9977]

Defense Ministry rejected the "fact of the destruction of 7 aircraft." Or maybe there are 6 of them? Thanks at least recognized. and then only after the publication of Kommersant. And the turntable had to be recognized retroactively. It is clear that the losses in Syria are far from being limited to 51 military, to put it mildly. And technology is destroyed on a much larger scale than stated. Ah, these are militants who are not aware that they are "already destroyed and the war is over." Although losses are hidden everywhere and by all, and the Russian Defense Ministry is no exception. So it was, is and will be.

[EvilLion]

Of the mountain villages, it, of course, knows better what the MO is losing there.

[Don]

Why can’t you see from there, what can you see? With the current development of the Internet, even from the deepest cave, a person can learn more than another, living on the highest skyscraper, would be a desire. P / S: I wrote to you only because such provocative ignorance of individual people casts a shadow over the vast majority of worthy citizens of our country.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Donskoy

With the current development of the Internet, even from the deepest cave, a person can learn more than another, living on the highest skyscraper, would be a desire.

and much you could learn at least about the discussed incident at the air base ??? !!! do not confuse the huge flows of dubious information in tyrnete with the truth !!!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Don I wrote to you only because such provocative ignorance of individual people casts a shadow on the vast majority of worthy citizens of our country

Are you from neighboring xetai9977 aul?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Donskoy

With the current development of the Internet, even from the deepest cave, a person can learn more than another, living on the highest skyscraper, would be a desire.

for the most part, left-wing gossip and nonsense that are not relevant to reality will be recognized, and it is difficult to find out the truth even if there is a dump called Internet

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

for the most part, left-wing gossip and nonsense that are not relevant to reality will be recognized, and it is difficult to find out the truth even if there is a dump called Internet

It's amazing how easy it is for some to powder their heads !!! Unless, of course, they’re here trolling so moronic !!! veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezee

[Gray brother]

Turban, the Merchant has no evidence. I also found a lamp of the truth of faith.
Karabakh was and will remain Armenian land, by the way.

[katana]

Quote: Gray Brother

Turban, the Merchant has no evidence. I also found a lamp of the truth of faith.
Karabakh was and will remain Armenian land, by the way.

In vain you are so teasing a respected forum member from sunny Azerbaijan . I am glad that you consider Karabakh to be Armenian land, but at the current rate of degradation of Armenia and its armed forces, Karabakh will again become Azerbaijani - in the historical period this remains to be expected for a short time.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Gray brother Karabakh was and will remain Armenian land

This is a grandmother for two said, the Russian Federation is good at arming both sides, but the pluses you have done well, you look and you will grow up to the lieutenant general ... gee ...

[Uralean]

Yeah, yeah, the main TRUSTED and True Informant is KOMERSANT. And of course thanks to him .. It turns out he has the most extensive network of intelligence and information mining, which is MOST Faithful .. One Lesin works in ten languages ​​...... Well , so people, then he paints all kinds of pictures in his brain, and splashes them into the light of day ..))

[Don]

Why didn’t Kommersant please you so much? Hopefully not giving out an alternative point of view? For me, the availability of information from different angles allows us to create a more truthful picture of the incident. As for this particular situation, thanks to Kommersant, it became known about this incident, with tragic consequences, on our base, far from us. The gloating and reproaches are inappropriate here, as well as another stupid silence and lie of the Moscow Region, which deprives him of the trust of citizens. Of course, I judge this from the perspective of an ordinary citizen, and not a military, and even more so an official of the Moscow Region. Everyone has their own truth, but the truth is always one

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Donskoy

Everyone has their own truth, but the truth is always one

before philosophizing, if only we learned the basics !!! the truth is one, but the truth is different for everyone !!!



and do not confuse the alternative point of view with a lie !!! in this case, even crazy sounds about an alternative point of view !!!! "Commerce" version of the terrorists or something introduced ????

[siberalt]

The authorities charged the country with a walk for ten days in a row, and here we go. And what do we celebrate - given the poverty of the population of 20,5 million people? And this is only according to the calculations of the authorities themselves.

[Vadim237]

We have paupers 14,5% of the population, in the USA 25%, in China 30%, our figure is far from critical.

[Commander]

Go to work, take the coven, or is it also banned? Mentally evolve finally. chat with children. After all, they are like small children: the state prevents them from working

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: siberalt

And what do we celebrate - given the poverty of the population of 20,5 million people?

the same as others with a very large percentage of beggars !!!

[karish]

Quote: Cat Racecourse

the press center did not work in connection with the holidays !!! for that and the calculation of the fake guns

the press center always works.

[Puss in Boots]

it makes no sense for them to work, do not drive a single journalist, everyone is walking

[just exp]

however, about the mattresses, news on ORT and RTR every day, and about kaklov learn the same on the same day, and what happens on their own base, do they need to be personally called and asked?

[katana]

Quote: just EXPL

however, about the mattresses, news on ORT and RTR every day, and about kaklov learn the same on the same day, and what happens on their own base, do they need to be personally called and asked?

Only one person can personally call the military in Russia, the military is outside your civilian control. It is sad if you have not yet "reached" this simple truth.

[Pancir026]

Quote: katana

the military is out of civilian control. It's sad if you have not yet “drowned” this simple truth.

It’s none of your business. And recipes from the banks of the regional committee behind a puddle. Keep it with you.

[sabakina]

Quote: katana

Only one person can personally call the military in Russia, the military is outside your civilian control. It is sad if you have not yet "reached" this simple truth.

My dear man, please translate, otherwise I’m in Armenian like a chicken in figure skating ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: just EXPL

however, about the mattresses, news on ORT and RTR every day, and about kaklov learn the same on the same day, and what happens on their own base, do they need to be personally called and asked?

and have you heard on ORT and RTR about the loss of the American or Khokhlyat military ??? By the way, in Russia for a long time there is no ORT and RTR !!!

[askort154]

karish ....Press center always works.

Judging by how long the White Helmets did not go on air,
you put it mildly - wrong. in their speculation.

[sabakina]

Karish, your headdress or what is it you called, will you eat?

[ImPerts]

Quote: Cat Racecourse

the press center did not work in connection with the holidays !!! for that and the calculation of the fake guns

There is nothing in the MO news feed ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ImPerts

There is nothing in the MO news feed ...

Has already

[Muvka]

I went to the MO site, there is nothing there.

[sabakina]

Quote: Muvka

I went to the MO site, there is nothing there.

He went to the people! Who on holidays enters the door? Baron Munchausen at least remember!

[Muvka]

Well, as if there is a lot of news. Including laid out today.

[Dalailama]

You can’t share a link to it?

[moskowit]

"Elementary Watson"
Just “stuff” the word ministry and everything will “pop out” in the search engine ....

[woron333444]

there is nothing there

[moskowit]

Well, no and no ... You wanted to know how to get to the site .... And they advised you ....

[Dalailama]

This is a site, not a news feed in it.

[moskowit]

You are mistaken ... On the right column ... Very detailed ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: ImPerts

Quote: Cat Racecourse

the press center did not work in connection with the holidays !!! for that and the calculation of the fake guns

There is nothing in the MO news feed ...

agree that not all news, especially such ones, will be posted in the tape by the Moscow Region !!!

[210ox]

The Ministry of Defense is such an office that referring to a non-working press center during the holidays is complete nonsense. Otherwise, why then do they exist at all ..

Quote: Cat Racecourse

the press center did not work in connection with the holidays !!! for that and the calculation of the fake guns

[NordUral]

No, it seems that the "businessman" is lying, crawled on https://space.utema.ru/earth-online/, then one "friend" said that he sees everything burned with his own eyes. so he and commerce lie, on the satellite there are no airplanes or helicopters burned down on the base.
You can see with your own eyes the view of the base from the ISS.

[auran]

but they couldn’t put a picture

[Pancir026]

Quote: NordUral

Boy, you are a liar! I watched pictures from the ISS base today, there is no smoke, but there are planes.

Support.
But give these talkers a link, a screenshot., The mouth is admired and choked with poison.

[sabakina]

I support! They say that now you can read a newspaper from outer space! Where is the newspaper? Ugh, an airfield with destroyed planes?

[ImPerts]

Quote: sabakina

They say that now you can read a newspaper from outer space

Lying ...

The maximum resolution of satellite images is now 0,60 m.
The atmospheric limit is considered 30 cm, so no newspapers are visible ...

https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/47205.html

Thus, in ideal conditions, theoretically, only one spy satellite is able to view the bar of the license plate on the machine in the form of several white pixels. But to read the issue, not to mention epaulettes and newspapers, is impossible simply physically.

[kebeskin]

Quote: NordUral

No, it seems that the "businessman" is lying, crawled on https://space.utema.ru/earth-online/, then one "friend" said that he sees everything burned with his own eyes. so he and commerce lie, on the satellite there are no airplanes or helicopters burned down on the base.
You can see with your own eyes the view of the base from the ISS.

for fun, I looked at a flight past the northern countries of Europe. And lo and behold, green grass is everywhere. How can this be. Probably the gnomes are collecting snow and warming the earth. Pictures cannot lie. - And for education, photographs of the area are carried out by satellites specially oriented for this matter. Plus the data needs processing. This is not real time. And on this site, simply the position of the specialist on the good old google maps.

[NordUral]

Perhaps, but then those who see smoke smoke hash. Wait and see, maybe. But it is hard to believe that this would be allowed, even taking into account our gouging. The bets are not the same.

[Scoun]

Quote: the most important

Hmm ... five days was not enough for details ... or everything is really bad.

New Year's greetings to the GDP, he already knew, and he should accept this little gain from the “opposition and partners,” and the answer should be crushing.

[7gor]

Relaxed for the holiday, and overslept a flash, unfortunately

[nov_tech.vrn]

military operations are underway in Latakia, and it’s very close and how many mines have been launched, the barmalei undergo good training and are far from fools, it seems like a propaganda campaign to maintain the fighting spirit, we need a cruel answer so that we don’t doubt, we will avenge

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

military operations are underway in Latakia, and it’s very close and how many mines have been launched, the barmalei undergo good training and are far from fools, it seems like a propaganda campaign to maintain the fighting spirit, we need a cruel answer so that we don’t doubt, we will avenge

unfortunately, life, especially in war conditions, is such that terrorists could launch just one mine and, by the will of evil rock, kill 2 of our military men with this mine !!! this is not easier !!! it would be better to destroy the planes, but people were all intact !!!

[nov_tech.vrn]

in the morning I was flooded with might and main about the allegedly destroyed planes, now it's just "everything is bad", I specifically asked who supported the duck about the planes, only completely marginal representatives of the yellow press

[Young_Communist]

Quote: the most important

five days was not enough for details ...

Just MO has not yet found a suitable screen from the game.

[demo]

It is not regrettable, but most likely it is.
But why?
Why until thunder breaks out, we are not baptized?
Why?
Are we really gouging?

[MOSKVITYANIN]

demo Are we really gouging?

Without crying, you are one of the owners of the best 1 / 8 part of the land of the planet Earth, and your friend the Bulgarian communist is sitting in F ... and with his Bulgaria it is unlikely that he will ever come out of there ....

[Puss in Boots]

in the news below so far controversy fake nor fake

[Russia]

Dead earth in fluff.

[shvn]

Well, the new year has arrived, it is time to return troops to Syria and restore order further ...

[Tusk]

Quote: shvn

Well, the new year has arrived, it's time to return troops to Syria

First, they will work out with strategists, and then it will be seen ..

[79807420129]

Quote: Tusk

First, they will work out with strategists, but it will be seen there.

Tu 160 or TU 95 mortar famously It’s easier to pick up a couple of turntables from the same Khmeimim.

[Tusk]

Quote: 79807420129

Quote: Tusk

First, they will work out with strategists, but it will be seen there.

Tu 160 or TU 95 mortar famously It’s easier to pick up a couple of turntables from the same Khmeimim.

The turntables are saba ... But the bases remained under the cover of the USA, etc. They violated the contract, we have the right to strike a retaliation, why are we worse than Israel ..?

[alexng]

Until they destroy (by chance) all the training bases for barmalei will continue this way. In flogging these trainers to teach a lesson once and for all, so that from the mere thought that they will keep the “answer in full” for everything, their trembling begins.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: alexneg

Until they destroy (by chance) all the training bases for barmalei will continue this way. In flogging these trainers to teach a lesson once and for all, so that from the mere thought that they will keep the “answer in full” for everything, their trembling begins.

Do not forget that in those parts of Syria is the ill-fated Idlib !!!

[aws4]

the fact that in Israel they value their citizens and we simply consider them to be the people of the population ... well, something like the livestock of cattle in a collective farm herd

[sabakina]

Excuse me, do you consider yourself a member? To Yin or Yang?

Quote: aws4

the fact that in Israel they value their citizens and we simply consider them to be the people of the population ... well, something like the livestock of cattle in a collective farm herd

[Doliva63]

Quote: aws4

the fact that in Israel they value their citizens and we simply consider them to be the people of the population ... well, something like the livestock of cattle in a collective farm herd

Radio Liberty, Voice of America, etc., carried about the same nonsense once: like, capitalists have power for the people, and in the Union people have power

[aws4]

no extremes respected .. the fact remains that when the union of its citizens was more valued than now

[alexsipin]

Quote: Tusk

why are we worse than Israel ..?

That's right, it's Israel's fault. Why does his dome shoot down mines with a probability of 85%, and the Russian Shell did not notice them. although he has a 100% chance of knocking down.

[hrych]

Quote: alexsipin

the Russian Shell did not notice them

Because the DRG worked at close range from the CAA's area of ​​responsibility. With a mortar - Cornflower, direct fire, allegedly.

[Town Hall]

Quote: hrych

Because the DRG worked at close range from the CAA's area of ​​responsibility.

And who told you this interesting info?

[hrych]

Quote: Town Hall

And who told you this interesting info?

Holy Spirit

[alexsipin]

Quote: hrych

Quote: alexsipin

the Russian Shell did not notice them

Because the DRG worked at close range from the CAA's area of ​​responsibility. With a mortar - Cornflower, direct fire, allegedly.

If the broads can drag such a fool to the distance of the shot to the air base - this is not good, for such a thing - a serious investigation relies and the conclusions are appropriate.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: 79807420129

Quote: Tusk

First, they will work out with strategists, but it will be seen there.

Tu 160 or TU 95 mortar famously It’s easier to pick up a couple of turntables from the same Khmeimim.

if there’s a batch, they will send terrorists across the squares, as after our downed SU-24 !!!

[alexsipin]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

if there’s a batch, they will send terrorists across the squares, as after our downed SU-24 !!!

Terrorists are very afraid of this, and most importantly, as always, not a single civilian will suffer.

[Tusk]

Quote: just explo

when they killed the general, how did they get revenge? how many NATO generals were killed? they covered at least one base of the nat or even the broads, but what would the NATO instructors be there?
terpils will flow around to the last.

And then your thought is ... broken roads and starving pensioners, the "bloody regime", etc. ))))
We have avenged everyone, our operation in Syria! Like who, it doesn’t matter ..
Now such sabotage will be periodically especially before March 2018.
What to do? We will water quietly and without screaming in the media!
Clearly explained, I hope ..

[just exp]

no, I'm not one of those who ask for a change of power and stuff, moreover, I am one of the most stubborn putinoids. but the fact that our terpils have long recognized.
the truth is there is one excuse, they play peacefully and supposedly we are all so sunny with freckles and baby flags. therefore, Europe does not need to be afraid of us. this is Grandpa Pu’s calculation, for him to wrest Germany as a strategic goal for his allies, well, at the same time, to wrest the EU from the ground.
but the fact that we need to take revenge for some reason is afraid to think.
why not some kind of bandfarmirovaniye swing around the Amer base? it’s not necessary that ours, Arabs can be treated in such a way that they will go to death row. and even this superfluous is good enough to train, equip and pay well, and dozens will go with mines, NURSs and the like, and hell will be with the mattresses, you can hire snipers through NGOs and pay them, for example, for mowing for the head of the mattress, for mowing even igloids will start mattresses cut into pieces.
however, the mattresses live quietly, drink cold Coke and kill Arabs with our hands. and to the question - where is the answer? They won’t answer you, because it’s not necessary to take revenge on our dead, probably their lives are of little importance. would be important, the mattresses would have come down so much that they would have been afraid to even think about dirty tricks, not what to do.

[Krabik]

The mattresses have more money, it’s more convenient to pay them for the heads of our military.

And the military itself is bigger and they send all sorts of blacks and transgender people to serve.

But your proposal to exchange our military for US transgender blacks looks tempting.

Offer MO, they will definitely appreciate your promise;)

[Tusk]

Quote: just explo

no, I'm not one of those asking to change power and stuff, moreover, I am one of the most stubborn putinoids

It is noticeable ..))) And then, just a lot of letters ..

[LiSiCyn]

Oh dude !!! I would, in your place, follow the "language" ... You first, as an Explorer in the ranks, grow up ... And then, come, incomprehensible types with patriotic slogans and begin to "deserved", spread rot ...

[Tusk]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Oh dude !!!

First off I'm not a dude ...

Quote: LiSiCyn

I would, in your place, follow the "language" ...

Language is my enemy ..)))

Quote: LiSiCyn

You first, as an Explorer in the ranks grow ...

I have a title for a long time! Your experiment to my rank, as to the moon!
I have the honor!

[sabakina]

Quote: Tusk

Quote: LiSiCyn

Oh dude !!!

First off I'm not a dude ...
I have the honor!

Too shy to ask ... Dude? ...

[sabakina]

Quote: Tusk

I have a title for a long time! Your experiment to my rank, as to the moon! I have the honor!

as far as I remember, only Suvorov and Stalin have the title of generalissimo ....

[Tusk]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Tusk

I have a title for a long time! Your experiment to my rank, as to the moon! I have the honor!

as far as I remember, only Suvorov and Stalin have the title of generalissimo ....

Do not be rude Vyacheslav ..!

[Freeman]

sabakina Today, 14:42
as far as I remember, only Suvorov and Stalin have the title of generalissimo ....

Chiang Kai-shek forgot.
Well, Franco and Kim Il Sung to the heap. The Latin American "trifle" can not be read.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Генералиссимус

[sabakina]

Fifth column. Not so much. Only 12 letters. Give the tusk, not yours!

[Uralean]

Stop hysteria .. Did not answer? But you don’t know how our VKS, and the Rocket carriers, ironed the Barmalean bases .. How did the Syrians manage to re-create their army in two years, when the Russian troops came to Syria, fighting off Igil and the like and freeing half of their territories? Do not you know? Tolerated this only in your words, in fact, Russia not only was able to help clean up evil spirits from Syria, but also achieved the presence of its Oil, gas, construction, and other companies in Syria, which began to earn money for Russia from the business of restoring it ... In the battles with Syria, the Russian army swept 82% of the flight personnel of the Russian Federation. She created more than a hundred new weapons and tested them not on polygons, but on actual DB theaters with real opponents .. Including electronic warfare, precision-guided projectiles, Shells, with increased speed and warhead, etc. .. And you say terpily .. Get off the couch, stop broadcasting ..))

[Korax71]

What kind of weapons are these, if not secret ???

[Incvizitor]

It is necessary to re-equip a couple of pickups or trucks for remote control, to stuff explosives and to the Fshat base, but we have not decided to destroy our "partners" ...

[alexsipin]

Quote: Incvizitor

It is necessary to re-equip a couple of pickups or trucks for remote control, to stuff explosives and to the Fshat base, but we have not decided to destroy our "partners" ...

Why to Fshat? Turkoman are under your friend and comrade Erdogan:

[MOSKVITYANIN]

alexsipin Turkoman are under your friend and comrade Erdogan

Like Israel before the Russian Federation went to the world with Erdogan, no, read the periodicals, he is as much a friend to us as you are ...
I never trusted Israeli Jews .... if only I could blurt out ...

[Incvizitor]

And what did the Turkomans create the largest training camp in Syria for terrorists near At-Tanf? Of course, these also need to be driven with a rag piss, but the main thing is evil-Fshat non-people.
But the Turks did not have and there is no trust, simply if their king redeemed (along with the FSH by moving his lips), then we must use it.
PS Israel for us is about the same “friend” as the Turks, but at the same time, Erdogan at least did not directly support ISIS with air strikes ...

[katana]

Quote: just EXPL

what the fuck revenge, swallow and express concern, are not capable of more impotent.
when they killed the general, how did they get revenge? how many NATO generals were killed? they covered at least one base of the nat or even the broads, but what would the NATO instructors be there?
terpils will flow around to the last.

Your general was killed by NATO soldiers? You live in a parallel reality.

[sabakina]

Better in parallel than in the other world!

[aws4]

BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!!! very clearly expressed the thought !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sabakina]

Well, yes, you would have a sword and a horse, yes to the line of fire! Feed the cat, otherwise he’s already looking at slippers ....

[Russia]

Kommersant’s military-diplomatic sources appeared, in which way, or maybe they cut down the loot from them, or maybe the Moscow region cut down the money from them for such “news”.

[Tusk]

Quote: Rusland

Kommersant’s military-diplomatic sources

The liberal media was and remains, which hates Russia and everything connected with it .. So that there is nothing new, they launched a fake to annoy the people and they know the bastards at what time .. hehe

[katana]

Quote: Tusk

Quote: Rusland

Kommersant’s military-diplomatic sources

The liberal media was and remains, which hates Russia and everything connected with it .. So that there is nothing new, they launched a fake to annoy the people and they know the bastards at what time .. hehe

As it turned out, it wasn’t a fake. Something definitely happened on the base, since your Moscow Region admitted 2 dead soldiers. Lined up planes are a more convenient target than a watch on take-off.

[sabakina]

I have a friend of Armenians, their name is Vazgen, they have been working in one office for about a year, the breadth of the soul is nowhere wider ... Well, Katana, is it all splashing with poison?

[alexsipin]

Quote: sabakina

I have a friend of Armenians, their name is Vazgen, they have been working in one office for about a year, the breadth of the soul is nowhere wider ... Well, Katana, is it all splashing with poison?

How can you, Armenians are your allies.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: alexsipin

How can you, Armenians are your allies.

Yes katana no one is Armenian, he just sits under the flag of Armenia, more than once caught him on about Azerbaijani views ..., there are half of the "Jews" and "Bulgarians" of Bandera who sow confusion among the good and trusting members of the forum on this site ...
Fighting, let's say, some Bandera toilet in Israel, so he has an Israeli flag and everyone thinks that they correspond with a Jew ...
Soon here, only bots will remain on the site, there are few normal interlocutors .... You are just like in a kindergarten ...

[alexsipin]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

no Katana is Armenian

Oh wow. Armenians began to fake steel. Where the world is heading.

[max702]

According to the mind, Komersant should be held accountable for defamation and the fine to solder is very sickly ... But we have the same "democracy" damn it ...

[katana]

Quote: max702

According to the mind, Komersant should be held accountable for defamation and the fine to solder is very sickly ... But we have the same "democracy" damn it ...

You should have thanked the newspaper for the information, otherwise you would never have known the fact of the bombardment of the airfield by the barmole.

[max702]

Uh, no .. Let’s handle the facts .. All the troubles on our planet are exclusively from IMPUNITY .. So be kind enough to answer for your information, it’s kind of like Kommersant is officially registered as a means of MI, therefore, should be responsible for the information submitted .. And so we can say that someone under the nickname "katana" we have a passive gay, pedophile, serial killer, and much more .. Here, for example, I would not be surprised that for what I wrote they soldered a warning, and possibly a ban ... and this is on the site and then unverified info is thrown onto the world media space in, and do not want to be held accountable for a lie .. Is this fair?

[katana]

Before asking the newspaper to answer as the media, why don’t you demand your MO to be held accountable for the late submission of information about the shelling of the Khmeimim base and the attempt to conceal this information. And about the fact that you can write anything about me on the Internet about you it’s how many people do it. But one thing is false information about a private person, and another thing is the failure to give out information about events that took place at a military base in the combat zone, which entailed grave consequences.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: katana

Your MO is responsible for the late submission of information about the shelling of the Khmeimim base and an attempt to conceal this information.

for decency, at least pronounce the law, according to which the MO is obliged to perform the actions voiced by you !!! You obviously mixed up realities with your fantasies !!!

[max702]

You yourself then listen to what you write ..

Quote: katana

, why don’t you demand your MO to be held accountable for the late submission of information about the shelling of the Khmeimim base and an attempt to conceal this information

Did you even lose reality there? Write yourself

Quote: katana

non-issuance of information about the events that took place at a military base in the combat zone, which entailed grave consequences.

Do you seriously think that just the same, the MO should, in architects, publish information from the database zone? What planet are you from? Or what do you use? Otherwise, such a formulation of the question cannot be explained .. tell me if they react to incidents in the database zone of the Ministry of Defense of other countries such as the United States or Israel?

[sabakina]

Max, I’m ready to share this period with you for two!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

max702 And so it can be said that someone under the nickname "Katana" we have a passive gay, pedophile, serial killer, and much more ..

This site is electronic media, so

For example, I’m not surprised that for what I wrote, they will solder a warning to me, and maybe a ban ...

I think one civil lawsuit does not get off, say if you write that a forum member registered on the VO website under the nickname "....." is, as you say

passive gay, pedophile, serial killer

Do an experiment or s ... l?

[sabakina]

Katana, learn to write correctly in Russian first, before you climb the Russian site! GraceАrnost!

[siberalt]

We have a local info here. Today in the Novosibirsk region at st. Ob buried two pilots who died in Syria on December 31. Their helicopter allegedly crashed. One of them is a colonel.

[sabakina]

Oleg, and .... Everyone knows that our helicopter did not fly. The flight engineer survived.

[igor67]

Quote: siberalt

We have a local info here. Today in the Novosibirsk region at st. Ob buried two pilots who died in Syria on December 31. Their helicopter allegedly crashed. One of them is a colonel.

As it became known, “Courier. Wednesday. Berdsk ”, both dead pilots served in the Berdsk helicopter regiment until it was disbanded. And after that they were transferred to a part located in the city of Ob (Tolmachevo Airport).

At this moment, the coffin with the body of Valery Matveev is being taken to Berdsk from the Ob, where parting with him took place. From 12.30 the Berdians will be able to say goodbye to him - the funeral service will take place in the Berdsk Transfiguration Church. On the crashed Mi-24, he was a senior navigator.

As told “Courier. Wednesday. Berdsk ”Andrei Nekrasov, a military service veteran who knew both victims well, the body of Artem Kulish, the co-pilot, will be taken home to the city of Pugachev, Saratov Region.



Read more on Courier.Sreda.Berdsk: http://www.kurer-sreda.ru/2018/01/04/332877-razbi
lis-v-sirii-dva-pilota-iz-berdska-na-vertolete-mi
-24-31-december

[Maz]

Strange, sho just right now honored. Hints at certain conclusions.

[alexsipin]

Quote: Maz

Strange, sho just right now honored. Hints at certain conclusions.

Che so sour, Maz? And the conclusions that you, a Russian patriot, are doing in Israel, do not want to do?

[Overlock]

one of the first photos

[iaroslav.mudryi]

SYRIA. BASE HEMAIM. СУ24 second-hand 29
Post to 20: 00 by 05.01.18

We watch the plot (09: 26-11: 12) carefully:
10: 30-10: 33 (long-distance plan SU24 b / n 29 starboard side)


10: 36-10: 39 (long-distance plan SU24 b / n 29 port side)


10: 39-10: 42 (close-up of SU24 b / n 29 starboard side)



as you can see, the plane is intact ... who posted the first pictures? Military GORESpondent Roman Saponkov!? Oh well......

[hrych]

In defense of Ssykunkov - replace the stabilizer, work for a couple of hours.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hrych

In defense of Ssykunkov - replace the stabilizer, work for a couple of hours.

why didn’t he indicate it ???? judging by this character, nothing worth saying in his defense !!!

[hrych]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

why didn’t he indicate it ????

Already indicated. I read his opus, where he announced that the Ministry of Defense in order to ebb him, quickly repaired board number 29.

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Let's go the logical way, who is he, the military journalist Roman Saponkov?
1. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAEdUrCk-aU), so he is a journalist of RIA FAN, has been in the Donbass and in Syria since October 2015, has been making video reports, freely moving throughout Syria.
2. His first report from Syria
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omrRs3eBodw)
3. What kind of organization is RIA FAN, which gives him passes to any point where the war is?
(https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_agents
your_news) quote: A number of Russian and foreign publications associate the FAN with the billionaire Evgeny Prigozhin
4. Who is Evgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin?
(https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prigozhin_Evgeny_
Viktorovich), quote: In the summer of 2016, Fontanka.ru linked Yevgeny Prigozhin with Dmitry Utkin, head of the Wagner Group. Among the latter’s entourage, the head of the security service of one of the entrepreneur’s firms, Evgeny Gulyaev, was discovered.
In 2014-2015, PMC Wagner participated in clashes in the territories of Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics. Since the autumn of 2015, PMC Wagner has been participating in the Syrian campaign, in particular - participated in the liberation of Palmyra. The defeat of ISIS in the Palmyra region during the operations of the Wagner group is called the most significant since the proclamation of the Islamic state. In June 2017, Wagner PMC was included in the US sanctions list.
You can continue to dig further, but nothing. As far as I understand, PMCs do nothing without the knowledge and coordination of the MoD. Accordingly, it seems to me that the military journalist Roman Saponkov is a mishandled Cossack. And the Moscow region cannot but know about its activities, and who supplies it with materials. And if this journalist, being in trust, got out of control .... However, this is another story.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hrych

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

why didn’t he indicate it ????

Already indicated. I read his opus, where he announced that the Ministry of Defense in order to ebb him, quickly repaired board number 29.

I understand that there is a muddy type !!!

[Muvka]

I hope this outing will help to make the protection of our base more reliable. And again, if the planes were destroyed, our partners would have posted satellite imagery a long time ago. There was enough time.

[Puss in Boots]

unfortunately very difficult since the location is not very

[shvn]

It’s hard to “dance” when something is in the way, and you need to PROTECT your life

[tforik]

There was an impression that in case of failures ours are about Americans and they are silent about us. A kind of solidarity that benefits everyone.

[private person]

Share pictures? And thereby declare the whole world involved in the shelling. Who needs these pictures and so they will see.

[Muvka]

How are satellite imagery evidence of involvement in shelling? Do not break my brain.

[private person]

And who are your partners in Syria? And who do you think can provide photographs besides the RF Ministry of Defense? And your brain is visible, and so it is broken since you can’t understand the obvious things.

[Muvka]

Stratfor showed pictures of the allegedly destroyed our helicopters based on the T-4 and? Israel has repeatedly shown pictures of our base. But now their satellites have refused?

[private person]

Wait a little bit about the losses, too, were hushed up about our prisoners, too, refused to respond. They will show you everything, well, maybe.

[Muvka]

Yes, what does infa have to do with our MO? I ask about the information from the American satellites. Why should they keep silent? Especially considering how they used to upload their satellite images almost every day?

[sabakina]

Private trader, don’t run into Muvka, you’ll be more expensive for yourself.

[alexsipin]

Quote: Muvka

But now their satellites have refused?

Syria is photographed daily from drones. I am sure that there are pictures of your base after the shelling. . I looked at the sites in Hebrew now - not even a single tidbit of note on this subject. Apparently military censorship has banned publication. Apparently some sort of agreement between Putin and Natanyahu.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: alexsipin

Apparently military censorship banned the publication ...

And this, IMHO, is very correct that there is a kind of "supervisory authority" that filters information.
I think that the newspaper that would have spoken "a-la Kommersant" (which, in fact, started the whole high), you would have lived there for long and not too happily.
Unfortunately, this is not yet observed in the Russian Federation. But in vain.
IMHO, once again.

[hrych]

Quote: alexsipin

some kind of agreement between Putin and Natanyahu.

Another version ... there is nothing there, but in order to sway the situation with speculation and fakes, time is dragging on, suddenly the Dark Lord’s regime will fall from the indignation of the townsfolk

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: hrych

suddenly the regime of the Dark Lord will fall from the indignation of the inhabitants

You and the next Presidents of the Russian Federation will be the “Dark Lords”, who were offended by Yuri Vladimirovich in life, I suppose he sat below the baseboard?

[hrych]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

under Yuri Vladimirovich, I guess he sat below the baseboard?

Citizen, under Yuri Vladimirovich, I sat at my desk at school and gnawed at the pillar of science So do mercy, clean the room (ether, internet space)

[MOSKVITYANIN]

hrych clean the room (ether, internet space)

And you there too ....

[hrych]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

And you there too ....

It’s obvious that under Yuri Vladimirovich you weren’t sitting at your desk, but sitting somewhere later and elsewhere Clean the room ... and you too. Is this probably on the move? In Russian it is necessary to speak in this case: "And you too!"

[max702]

How long was it reportedly destroyed? and you seriously think that no one would have shown it. Yes, for the sake of such a thing, partners would redirect the satellites (although I’m sure the satellites were there for a long time and very tightly) and they would remove a lot of things from the UAV .. So as the saying goes, “I didn’t post it, so it wasn’t!”

[max702]

And by the way, everyone remembers when our SU-24 was shot down so they organized the shooting in one fell swoop, and then a bunch of planes, equipment, an ammunition depot .. and all the phones sat down and the tape ran out .. well, well, somewhere we have 100500 Armats and millions armored hoofed divers drilled heard ..

[katana]

Quote: Muvka

I hope this outing will help to make the protection of our base more reliable. And again, if the planes were destroyed, our partners would have posted satellite imagery a long time ago. There was enough time.

And why should they, your "partners" upload pictures from satellites? By uploading these pictures from their spy satellites, your "partners" show the quality that their satellites are capable of taking photos of the earth’s surface. Do they need it?

[Muvka]

And why were they not afraid to spread before? Why is there a bunch of snapshots of the base in Syria? Why are there pictures of Shairat. T-4? And then suddenly shy? Somehow weak.

[katana]

Quote: Muvka

And why were they not afraid to spread before? Why is there a bunch of snapshots of the base in Syria? Why are there pictures of Shairat. T-4? And then suddenly shy? Somehow weak.

Where and when did the Pentagon post publicly available images from Shairat base from its reconnaissance satellites? They never do that. And those images that are on the Internet are not images from US spy satellites, but from other sources.

[sabakina]

Quote: katana

And why should they, your "partners" upload pictures from satellites? By uploading these pictures from their spy satellites, your "partners" show the quality that their satellites are capable of taking photos of the earth’s surface. Do they need it?

Guys, along the way, I revealed the CIA agent! Well, katana, stick around longer!

[Korax71]

And do you have any CIA agent disagree with you ??? this is not even funny anymore. Looks more like an obsession.

[Overlock]

one of the first photos

[Town Hall]

In your opinion in this photo, the damage has signs of a mine explosion or is it more like something else?

[hrych]

Quote: Town Hall

damage has signs of a mine explosion

Clear signs of a contact fuse ammunition rupture

[Town Hall]

Quote: hrych

Quote: Town Hall

damage has signs of a mine explosion

Clear signs of a contact fuse ammunition rupture

And where are the traces of debris on the aircraft? .. or were they beat by blanks?

[hrych]

Quote: Town Hall

And where are the traces of debris on the aircraft? .. or were they beat by blanks?

This is not a fragmentation of ammunition clearly, the blast wave is directed upwards, all the fragments and parts torn from the stabilizer flew there, lost energy and sprinkled the surrounding space without damage. The Su-24 has a huge steering stabilizer, fell into its edge. I would say that it was very lucky and the car was not destroyed.

[Town Hall]

Quote: hrych

Quote: Town Hall

And where are the traces of debris on the aircraft? .. or were they beat by blanks?

This is not a fragmentation of ammunition clearly, the blast wave is directed upwards, all the fragments and parts torn from the stabilizer flew there, lost energy and sprinkled the surrounding space without damage. The Su-24 has a huge steering stabilizer, fell into its edge. I would say that it was very lucky and the car was not destroyed.

Is this also from the Holy Spirit? ... otherwise the MO is talking about mortar shelling.



And what ammunition known to you have such a strange anti-scientific behavior described
You?)

[hrych]

Cornflower is an automatic mortar capable of direct fire. What ammunition damaged the stabilizer is unknown, but you can see the inlet (not quite of course the hole) with kinetic damage to the stabilizer, the passage channel and the place of its detonation are visible. Miraculously, the ammunition hit and passed through the plane, detonated before reaching the edge. The presence of the Holy Spirit is felt both in the hit and in the miraculous salvation of the plane.

[Town Hall]

Quote: hrych

Cornflower is an automatic mortar capable of direct fire.

Quote: hrych

The presence of the Holy Spirit is felt both in the hit and in the miraculous salvation of the plane.

Then yes .... only by the intervention of the Holy Spirit can it be explained that more than 600 fragments of Cornflower ".... left with the debris vertically up ...." and did not even scratch the plane body ......




Maybe it's time to leave the Holy Spirit alone and turn on Common Sense?

[hrych]

Vasilka (theoretically) should have a range of ammunition, such as fragmentation, incendiary, cumulative, etc., including a spread of leaflets This is clearly not a fragmentation option. Shrapnel against drugs, if you wanted to hit planes, then most likely used other ammunition.

[Town Hall]

It is clear .... to ask and which of them, in your opinion, caused the aircraft such strange damage, I will not.



Thank you for the meaningful conversation about the Holy Spirit.

[hrych]

Quote: Town Hall

which of them

The DRG had problems with the protected area, I’ll guess why it is Cornflower, because he may on wheels (it’s convenient to carry it manually by hand) and a long-range, decent caliber, the use of ATGMs and MANPADS are problematic if there are means against target illumination and the infrared head is powerless with a cold engine. They chose the most accurate and long-range ammunition, and this is clearly not fragmentation. It can be stupid and a blank, although the damage looks spectacular, but you need to understand that this is an alloy of the type of duralumin and you can bring it into such a state not by detonation of the ammunition, but stupidly if the blank ricocheted, fell apart, etc. And the Holy Information Spirit walks along Ineta and News Feeds

[Vyacheslav73]

Most likely, we won’t find out the truth, therefore we can only put forward versions of what happened. I think that the incident took place, maybe the consequences are not the same as in the press, but what happened was definitely not pleasant events. In general, we’ll see ...

[Sheridan]

Checking the remaining forces of the Russian Federation in Syria? The withdrawal of aircraft forces could be replaced by rotation?

[zadorin1974]

Let’s think logically. If there was a destruction of aircraft, then the whole Western press would have inflated such a storm that even in North Korea they couldn’t shut down information. So that’s all fake. It’s almost impossible to cover the perimeter of the air base, it’s not football a field. Well, roving mortars in Chechnya constantly appeared — and on motorbikes with strollers and cars, the barmaley drove — they stopped — a couple of shots and legs. When caught, this calculation got at the level of snipers — they didn’t bring the living to the commandant’s office.

[voyaka uh]

Here is the confirmation of the MO.

"about the alleged" actual destruction "of seven Russian military aircraft at the Khmeimim - fake airbase ////

Refuted the "actual destruction." But it is not said: "The planes were not damaged"

[karish]

Quote: voyaka uh

Here is the confirmation of the MO.



Refuted the "actual destruction." But it is not said: "The planes were not damaged"

I paid the same attention to it.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: voyaka uh

Refuted the "actual destruction." But it is not said: "The planes were not damaged"

Quote: karish

I paid the same attention to it.

about the warehouse, about sweet forgot

[SklochPensioner]

Quote: karish

also

pull up the Russian Language, urgently)))

[Muvka]

Well, since the combat readiness is a group, then a couple of planes were shattered by fragments, no more.

[Waterfowl]

They couldn’t get on planes, but on soldiers easily ?!)))))

[Berkut24]

They shot at random in the dark, any hits and casualties were completely random.

[tomket]

Quote: voyaka uh

But it is not said: "The planes were not damaged"

And then you will be scribbling: "But it is not said that the paint was rubbed in some places"))))

[silver_roman]

and the word "JACOB" doesn’t tell you anything?

[Kent0001]

MO have their own formulations. They use them all the time.

[sabakina]

Alexey, well, you’re closer there than the Russian Defense Ministry. Say al pissing?

[Strips]

Two soldiers died on December 31 as a result of mortar shelling by militants of the Khmeimim air base in Syria.

They could not bring down mortar shells ...
The soldiers died ...
The MO response is slippery ...

In fact, everything could be worse ...

[Muvka]

If everything is worse, where are the satellite images of the stratfor? Hmm? And how do you know that they didn’t shoot down shells? Maybe they shot down, just could not bring down everything. And the fact that the loss of only 2 people means very few shells flew. Maybe 1 or 2.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Muvka

And how do you know that they didn’t shoot down shells? Maybe they shot down, they just couldn’t bring down everything

Knock down mortar mines ??? Is it possible?

[Muvka]

Why not? Of the cannons of the Shell it is quite possible.

[Ingvar 72]

As far as I know it is unrealistic. Too small target for the radar.

[Muvka]

What does the radar have to do with it? The carapace has not only a radar.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Muvka

Muvka Today, 10:51 ↑ New
What does the radar have to do with it? The carapace has not only a radar.

Are you such a keen falcon that you can see a mine in flight? And smash her with a sniper shot? Well done, you can take a pie from the shelf.

[Muvka]

Actually, everything is automatically examined and directed there. 21 century in the yard. It’s time to wake up. You just need to press the confirmation button.

[Krabik]

Air defense / missile defense systems are greatly overrated.

The armor will not be able to shoot down a mine.

If you have data on Pantsyr’s tests for shooting down mines from his “double-barreled shotgun,” I will be grateful if you share the information.

[EvilLion]

Large shot down accurately, and until they reached, everything was quiet. Nothing has flown for more than 2 years.

[Krabik]

Please, more accurate data on the destruction of large mines.

Sorry, but I'm sure the opposite ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Muvka

0
Muvka Today, 11: 20 ↑
Actually, everything is automatically examined and directed there. 21 century in the yard. It’s time to wake up. You just need to press the confirmation button.

Pressing the button is not a problem, the problem is to get out of the gun at a mine in flight.
Have you already finished school? Then the problem for the elementary grades. Initial data:
- mines flight speed in m / s
- rate of fire of the gun of the Shell of shells per second
- length of a mine of caliber 81 or 82mm
It is required to calculate how many lengths of the mine fit into the distance that the mine flies during the time between two shots of the Shell armor.
When you get the digital you are looking for, you will laugh at your proposal to shoot mines from a cannon as fun as I laugh now.
The above is true for the incredible case of all shells getting into the trajectory of a single mine. If we take into account the dispersion of shells (circular probable deviation) and firing not with a single mine, but with a cursory fire, the last illusions will disappear.

[Shahno]

Taki yes. But there are nuances.

[Captain Nemo]

Do you have at least an “ordinary reserve” title? Will you give a link to the articles of the magazines "Technique of Youth" and "Popular Mechanics"?

[just exp]

why is it impossible? the Germans even offered such a complex for export, mantis. mine target, although small, but art and other small-range radars can be seen very well, radars track not only the mine but also calculate the place where it was shot. mine itself is very slow.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: just explo

why is it impossible?

The rate of fire of the first 1 mm mortar is up to 82 in \ min. And if the mortar is not alone? None of the art installation can not cope.
The only way to counter this is to quickly identify and crush the mortar crew (you). There are technologies for this and have been developed.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Ingvar 72 Today, 13:10 ↑ New
Quote: just EXPL
why is it impossible?

The rate of fire of the first 1 mm mortar is up to 82 in \ min. And if the mortar is not alone? None of the art installation can not cope.
The only way to counter this is to quickly identify and crush the mortar crew (you). There are technologies for this

This is true not only for anti-aircraft guns, but also for all "domes" advertised beyond measure, both existing and promising.

[Shahno]

You understand. We are talking about unexpected gifts ....

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Shahno

Shahno Today, 20:43 PM ↑ New
You understand. We are talking about unexpected gifts ....

From the "gifts" with a low pace of arrivals, yes, I agree, the "dome" is quite functional. Although, you need to understand that there are no air defense systems with 100 percent efficiency.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Muvka

0
Muvka Today, 10:45 ↑ New
Why not? Of the cannons of the Shell it is quite possible.

No, well, a real colonel! Colonel, have you ever served in the army? What, and on an excursion have never been? Then, it's OK...

[Muvka]

What does not suit you? Write.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Muvka

0
Muvka Today, 11: 25 ↑
What does not suit you? Write.

Even if the Shell had the option to shoot mortar mines with an anti-aircraft gun, the probability of defeat is extremely low. Less than one MINE OF THOUSAND.

[Muvka]

Where does this data come from? From the couch?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Muvka

0
Muvka Today, 20:54 ↑ New
Where does this data come from? From the couch?

The problem for the younger students did not solve? Weak or just laziness? Laziness is one of the most serious vices. It leads to premature senility of muscles and convolutions.

[Strips]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Knock down mortar mines ??? Is it possible?

Yes of course. The Iron Dome shot down mortar shells. True, distance is important here as well.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Tiras

Tiras Today, 11:16 ↑
Quote: Ingvar 72
Knock down mortar mines ??? Is it possible?


Yes of course. The Iron Dome shot down mortar shells. The truth is that distance is also important.

The dome knocks down mines and shells with a guided missile, and the worker from the couch recommends knocking down mines from a cannon, which is not comparable more difficult and is not technically feasible.
But the dome can only shoot down single mines or shells. With a quick fire, the dome is powerless.

[voyaka uh]

And the fact that the loss of only 2 people means very few shells flew. "///

This means that the shelling was on New Year's Eve. Everyone celebrated, and
there were few people around the planes. Only sentries. They probably died.

[Muvka]

I doubt that on New Year's Eve the security of the base was at least a little weakened. Somewhere in Russia, maybe, but not in Syria. Especially considering the shelling of the MLRS on the 28th.

[Lord of the Sith]

Which planes? The base there is huge in size, the militants could work out at the checkpoint or at the barracks near the checkpoint.

[EvilLion]

In wartime, flights also take place on the 1 of January, no need to write nonsense.

[voyaka uh]

But not at night.

[Town Hall]

Quote: voyaka uh

But not at night.

I wouldn’t seriously discuss the news from Kommersant’s wholly controlled government, exposing such a failure of the MO. It is very similar to the struggle of the Nanai boys.



The fact that something happened there and is serious enough. It’s not a fact that the shelling could tear due to negligence. And in this case, the “shelling” sounds “more noble”.


The same thing with losses. We announce through the newspaper 100500 that the Defense Ministry angrily refutes the "fake". And in these verbal battles the event itself is safely lost


The absence of a video with alahakbar on the whole broadcast indirectly may indicate that there was no shelling and exploded for other reasons

[voyaka uh]

I mean, you think that just your own air bomb exploded about
planes, but they want to write off to a nonexistent sabotage group of fighters?

[Town Hall]

Quote: voyaka uh

I mean, you think that just your own air bomb exploded about
planes, but they want to write off to a nonexistent sabotage group of fighters?

Of course, everything is pitchfork on the water ...


But I doubt that the militants prepared and conducted such a large-scale successful action and did not take care of the video format.



I also doubt that the absolutely loyal Kommersant dishonored the whole world of Moscow Region with the release of secret information about which everyone courageously remained silent for 5 days. You yourself know Russian realities.


This is a deliberate flow of information by the MO itself through the newspaper in the key he needs.

Something happened there that is completely impossible to hide. The same satellite images will probably come up. And if you can’t stop the process, head it

[Strips]

Quote: Muvka

If everything is worse, where are the satellite images of the stratfor?

May be soon

Quote: Muvka

And how do you know that they didn’t shoot down shells?

I know, since some were not shot down at least, as military personnel died.

Quote: Muvka

And the fact that the loss of only 2 people means very few shells flew. Maybe 1 or 2.

It is not clear how much and how the planes are damaged, how many people and how many guarded the base, etc.

[Muvka]

Quote: Tiras

Quote: Muvka

If everything is worse, where are the satellite images of the stratfor?

May be soon

Quote: Muvka

And how do you know that they didn’t shoot down shells?

I know, since some were not shot down at least, as military personnel died.

Quote: Muvka

And the fact that the loss of only 2 people means very few shells flew. Maybe 1 or 2.

It is not clear how much and how the planes are damaged, how many people and how many guarded the base, etc.

Why will be soon? They should have been laid out 1 or on the edge of 2 numbers. The shelling did not happen today, but on December 31, if that.
And further. Not shot down and not shot down - these are 2 different concepts. I'm sorry you didn't know that.

[DenZ]

Quote: Tiras

In fact, everything could be worse ...

Or maybe better Another fortune?

[Strips]

Quote: DenZ

Or maybe better.

It would be better if the MO would not draw so much with a message and an explanation.

[Hadji Murat]

military censorship ... such are the times .....

[Gardamir]

military censorship ..

Today you are a winner in the category of comedian-commentator. Times are such that satellites and drones fly. There is internet. And this is not censorship, but the desire to sit in a chair after the election.

[rotmistr60]

Message "Kommersant" ... fake

But is it not time for Kommersant, with its "own sources" in all structures, to bring to court.

[Cat Marquis]

Well, yes - "does not correspond to reality," and the message that in Syria "everyone was defeated" corresponds to reality.

[Muvka]

Then the message of May 9, 1945 is also not true. Because the Nazis still eat and kill people. And in the USA, the war between north and south did not end, because still killing people because of this.

[Vadim237]

In Syria, only ISIS was defeated, and the rest, moderately - not moderate, are full there.

[just exp]

yes, but PR as they weren’t worth it, how many times they were told that they would be silent in a rag, otherwise ours wouldn’t open their mattresses on their mouths, then they would poke their faces in the face, it was so with everything that we announced, we weren’t tired of wipe your muzzle? Well then, let them tell how cool they are next, they will continue to bear losses and hush up these losses.
in general, I was furious not only that the shelling had missed, but that they were silent about it.

[tchoni]

And here comes the fire from the morning smoke. But somehow slurred. He does not believe in the absence of damage to the materiel at the crowded location of aircraft, which is observed in the himeim. And, right away, the question arises: could you believe the Russian Defense Ministry now and further after they had hidden for 4 days, the fact of overpowering the bases and the deaths of two servicemen ....

[Mountain shooter]

Beat on housing. To the airfield there - decently, and without adjustment would not get anywhere. Housing closer to the perimeter ... mortar with all desire - 4 kilometers, no more.

[tchoni]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Beat on housing. To the airfield there - decently, and without adjustment would not get anywhere. Housing closer to the perimeter ... mortar with all desire - 4 kilometers, no more.

Why beat - the story is silent. Yes, and this is not the case. The fact of shelling and “disclosing” secrets is important not through the official press center of the Moscow Region, but through the left “Komersant”. And not immediately upon the shelling, but after 4 days.

[seal78]

Quote: tchoni

But you could believe the Russian Defense Ministry

You are not allowed. Continue to believe the sources of merchants.

[tchoni]

Quote: seal78

You are not allowed. Continue to believe the sources of merchants.

The funny thing is, in this situation, the komersant gave a more accurate info than the MO

[hrych]

Quote: tchoni

Komersant gave a more accurate Old than MO

The businessman issued information with reference to those who heard the ringing ... The wake-up of the warehouse and the destruction of the aircraft have features, i.e. the strongest fire with detonation, you cannot hide this.

[EvilLion]

Is it possible, because in the case of serious incidents, the MO will conduct an investigation, and Kommersant?

[tchoni]

Quote: EvilLion

Is it possible, because in the case of serious incidents, the MO will conduct an investigation, and Kommersant?

Those. shelling of the baschi, the death of two people, the possible loss of equipment - is this a frivolous incident? The killing of two shells from a hail of shells is a serious incident, they scream about it right there and then throughout the whole country - and the death of two Russian servicemen is so garbage? - Can I stay silent for 4 days? - I beg of you)

[TRex]

Hope for Assad, but he’s not bad ... The SAR army is not able to fully control the situation not only in the country, but even on the approaches to the air base. Gangs of barmaleys will roam around Syria for a long time. Did Putin hurry with the withdrawal of motorized infantry, that is, three battalions of military police?

[shvn]

For the show off was normal ... But in fact, you need to strengthen the group in Sirmm.

[alexsipin]

Quote: shvn

For the show off was normal ... But in fact, you need to strengthen the group in Sirmm.

Everything is like in Afghanistan in the early 80s.

[Waterfowl]

Quote: tchoni

And, right away, the question arises: could you believe the Russian Defense Ministry now and further after they had hidden for 4 days, the fact of overpowering the bases and the deaths of two servicemen ....

Never trust the generals!

[Aleksandr21]

The news for the last article was partially true. The fact of the attack (shelling) by the militants of the Khmeimim air base was confirmed by the Ministry of Defense, they recognized the death of 2 servicemen, let them rest in peace. About the destruction of 7 aircraft, it is clear that the exaggerated was exaggerated, but have the aircraft received various damage at the airbase? it’s quite possible, with mortar shelling, the more so there the planes, as I understand it, are not protected from shelling (they are not in the hangars, but on an open area, if I’m mistaken, I hope they correct me), there’s silence about injuring 10 soldiers, but this option is also possible, since they have already recognized the death of 2 soldiers .... it’s definitely not easier from this news. The militants circumvented the defense of the base and struck, it’s sad ....

[Dave36]

We defeated everyone? So GDP for the whole world said ...
Whatever this was, it is necessary to clean the country, and completely, up to this point it could be worse than Afghanistan ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Dave36

We defeated everyone?

Banderlog in Ukraine until the mid-50s was driven. And you are talking about some weeks.

[Dave36]

The point is to star all over the world, we can’t even close the sky, Americans are bringing up new troops at our side ... Everything is sad there ..

[SklochPensioner]

Quote: Dave36

We defeated everyone? So GDP for the whole world said ...

You are lying, Mr. Sovramshi, GDP did not say that)
How can you defeat STUPIDness (in your case))? Terrorism? Fascism, Maoism or Communism? !! I do not align these concepts)

Quote: Dave36

maybe worse for Afghanistan ..

Will not, DO NOT HOPE)))

[Waterfowl]

What happened if this happened in Israel?

[voyaka uh]

The wounded would be reported the same day.
About the dead - the next day.
About the technology - "there is damage" without details.

[alexsipin]

Quote: voyaka uh

The wounded would be reported the same day.
About the dead - the next day.
About the technology - "there is damage" without details.

After 2-3 days, a short message that aircraft without identification marks fired at some targets in Syria. All planes returned without loss.

[SklochPensioner]

What would happen if SUCH happened in Israel (I respect because))

THEY ... They consulted, apparently, and decided not to respond to your comment)

But I will follow your remark and the answer to it)))

[Professor]

Quote: Waterfowl

What happened if this happened in Israel?

1. We do not have airplanes in the open air wing to wing and it is impossible to damage / destroy so many aircraft with mortar fire.
2. For the rest, I agree with my fellow countryman only with the clarification that if there were people who died, then on the same day they would change the playlist to quiet and "sad" songs on the radio.
3. The names of the dead would be reported immediately after the military commissar personally informed their families of what had happened.

[EvilLion]

You just did not see the planes during the preparation for the flights, or on takeoff.

[Professor]

Quote: EvilLion

You just did not see the planes during the preparation for the flights, or on takeoff.

I saw it more than once.

[Waterfowl]

And we have airplanes, and locators, and batteries in a bunch. We have bad generals, oh how bad !!!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Waterfowl

Waterfowl Today, 13:32 ↑
And we have airplanes, and locators, and batteries in a bunch. We have bad generals, oh how bad !!!

Khmeimim was a civil airfield. If you want to make an air base, you need to convert it to an air base. It takes a lot, a lot of money and time. It seems that while the military did not give money for this.

[alexsipin]

Quote: professor

1. We do not have airplanes in the open air wing to wing

And how are transport aircraft and refueling aircraft located at one southern base along the road to Arad?

[Professor]

Quote: alexsipin

Quote: professor

1. We do not have airplanes in the open air wing to wing

And how are transport aircraft and refueling aircraft located at one southern base along the road to Arad?

Let's play the game "Find the plane"?

[Professor]

Can we find here? Why? After all, the Fylystynta missiles are not being finished here?

[alexsipin]

Quote: professor

Can we find here? Why? After all, the Fylystynta missiles are not being finished here?

[Professor]

Quote: alexsipin

Quote: professor

Can we find here? Why? After all, the Fylystynta missiles are not being finished here?

Wing to Wing?

[alexsipin]

Quote: professor

Wing to Wing?

what distance do you know between the carnaphos parked at 757?

[polpot]

There is a war, the enemy was taught by specialists from the CIA and they are great lovers of such surprises, the date of the attack was chosen on December 31, everyone is relaxed, they’ve got a new year, I think that the appropriate measures will be taken and the terrorists and their teachers will receive an answer.

[ventel]

You already have paranoia everywhere you see the CIA. I want to ask if the CIA is also preparing the Hussites in Ymen. In Afghanistan, the Chinese and Pakistani were instructors, the Americans were engaged in pure intelligence gathering and control over the financial flows of the Mujahideen.

[Korax71]

Incidentally, the ventelt was right. In Afghanistan, the overwhelming majority of instructors were from China and Pakistan, 80 percent. So here he was not lying to him once. Well, and somehow starting to disrespectfully address a business person without knowing, it’s somehow not worth it. characterizes you from the best side.

[Masya masya]

The Russian air group in Syria is combat-ready and continues to carry out all its mission in full

And this is the main point!!!! sorry guys, the kingdom of heaven ....

[Gardamir]

supporting condolences, I want to remind you that, as with the Donbass, half of the losses are not shown.

[poplar in Kiev]

You can multiply all MO press releases on Syria by 3. There is no where more false press service. Remember, when in the fall, when landing Tu22 in the Kaluga region, it rolled out of the lane. From MO only a miserable two lines about minor damage, and the video showed that the plane collapsed completely

[poplar in Kiev]

Who won the GDP there ??
It is given to me that the planes were destroyed, too, and the nonsense with the MO was waiting for the training manual.
4 days passed and only current slept today from my

[poplar in Kiev]

The most bragging organ is the press service of the Moscow Region. Multiply by 3 what they say from my

[milling machine]

Very muddy answer from the MO. Yes, the shelling was two dead, 4 days were silent about this, although yesterday they said about the turntable (with the two dead, by the way), and they were silent about the shelling of the base. Strange, isn't it?
And about the destroyed planes, they also answered vaguely. It seems to me that everything is serious and more tragic and shameful there.

[MadCat]

Quote: frezer

Very muddy answer from the MO. Yes, the shelling was two dead, 4 days were silent about this, although yesterday they said about the turntable (with the two dead, by the way), and they were silent about the shelling of the base. Strange, isn't it?

It’s just that the screenshot department hasn’t woken up yet, and the department of beautiful photos has a vacation!

[Guillon]

I hope the mortar calculation has been destroyed, and measures have been taken to strengthen the protection of the air base! It’s not worth relaxing! Crush reptiles even more !!!

[Vadim237]

It's time to return the group there again.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Vadim237

It's time to return the group there again.

why .... to destroy the mortar crew ??? if, in the presence of a withdrawn group, such a shelling was fired, would you call for an increase in the group ??? in the north-west of Syria, the situation is generally rough from Idlib, and there are a variety of terrorists roaming around !!!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

from idlib

because of Idlib

[Vadim237]

Because there are still tens of thousands of militants left in Syria and most likely guerrilla warfare will begin there soon.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Vadim237

Because there are still tens of thousands of militants left in Syria and most likely guerrilla warfare will begin there soon.

not partisanism, but terror .... do not confuse partisans with terrorists !!! Idlib and surrounding parts became a particularly problematic region ... now we must grind all the terrorists there in the dust and establish a peaceful life in Syria !!!

[dimasik-nl]

The Dutch media are already trumpeting the destruction of 7 aircraft and 10 wounded Russian servicemen by militants. Moreover, they also blow on those radio stations that drive entertainment content.

[seal78]

Quote: dimasik-nl

Moreover, they also blow on those radio stations that drive entertainment content.

Well, that's how they have fun in Holland.

[Commander]

And here, as usual, a considerable number of them sing along.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: dimasik-nl

The Dutch media are already trumpeting the destruction of 7 aircraft and 10 wounded Russian servicemen by militants. Moreover, they also blow on those radio stations that drive entertainment content.

it would be better to properly investigate the case of the Boeing and find out that this Svidamya killed their citizens !!!!

[Mountain shooter]

Well, that’s it. Sorry for the people. Shelled, obviously, a residential town. A mobile mortar, several mines, "to whom Allah will send", and having thrown everything, they fled. Could and from a pickup truck or a minibus to sadanut. 82 mm with sufficient skill of calculation allows up to 15 min per minute to release. War, brothers. Earth rest in peace. Vigilance to the soldiers. Perhaps the mortar shelling was timed to the "pyrotechnic fun", and therefore the victims simply did not understand that the shelling ... And it was not the "Alahakbar" who came up with ... Striped ears stick out, IMHO!

[alexsipin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Striped ears stick out

Caucasian ears stick out. Those who are on the side of the Baboons are fighting and who are snaking orders of growth. army.

[q75agent]

there that the perimeter of the air base can not be equipped with all sorts of cameras and tracking sensors? You watch the Star TV, so why not just make up your mind: and all kinds of UAVs and robotics for protection, but in reality zilch ....

[Dave36]

Propaganda))

[donavi49]

In 23-28 km from the base there is a de-escalation zone, that is, baboons in a truce (who have Bulgarian hailstones). Plus, they could drive the truck through the blocks with the gifts of Idlib (there most of the vegetables / fruits grow and Latakia eats Idlib actually) and shoot. Although it is more difficult - because you need to tie the position, calculate the data for the shooting.

[Deniska999]

The de-escalation zone in Idlib is almost a myth.

[donavi49]

Not. Turkoman are not touched. Do not touch the arch. Pro-Turkish Zinka SSA do not touch. In general, there is movement only in southern Idlib and northern Hama. Where are the bulk now Nusrachi, radical zinka SSA and Uzbek-Uyghurs from TYPE.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: donavi49

Not. Turkoman are not touched. Do not touch the arch. Pro-Turkish Zinka SSA do not touch. In general, there is movement only in southern Idlib and northern Hama. Where are the bulk now Nusrachi, radical zinka SSA and Uzbek-Uyghurs from TYPE.

let's hope that after this shelling everyone will be touched ... so much so that they will regret !!!

[senima56]

It seems that it’s time to introduce the article of the Criminal Code on "fakes" in the media! And then the people "got overbought": "Seven planes were destroyed!" And then it turned out- nonsense! So, for such "bullshit" (fake), you need to give three years "at the construction sites of the national economy" (such as "sawing"). And then these "scribblers" are completely insolent - they will not regret their native father, just to get on the front page! And there even grass does not grow!

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: senima56

It seems that it’s time to introduce the article of the Criminal Code on "fakes" in the media! And then the people "got overbought": "Seven planes were destroyed!" And then it turned out- nonsense! So, for such "bullshit" (fake), you need to give three years "at the construction sites of the national economy" (such as "sawing"). And then these "scribblers" are completely insolent - they will not regret their native father, just to get on the front page! And there even grass does not grow!

And the fact of the attack on the air base and the death of our military personnel is also fake and nonsense in your opinion? If the businessman had not informed the Old, then we would not have known anything about this at all, and the Ministry of Defense, due to modesty, would not have spread its "achievements" either. There is no information about the injuries of 10 people, but what is the probability? 2nd officially died, which means the wounded by logic should be ..... the destruction of 7 aircraft, but infa there is exaggerated, but were there any damage? which grade ? So not everything is clean here, we can only guess about the real state of things. And the very fact that our defense was circumvented and struck from a distance of mortar shelling does not fit into any framework at all.

[Glory1974]

And the very fact of the attack on the air base and the death of our military personnel is also fake and nonsense? If the businessman hadn’t informed Old, we would not have known anything about this, and the Defense Ministry would not have spread because of modesty.

According to the law, all data on combat losses are classified information. Therefore, the MO must not disclose anything.
If something leaked into the open press, then they react.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: glory1974

According to the law, all data on combat losses are classified information. Therefore, the MO must not disclose anything.
If something leaked into the open press, then they react.

Yes, this is understandable, but here is also such a moment that the Ministry of Defense, in accordance with its desire, is not in a hurry to inform the public about its failures and failures, but when it comes to victories and achievements, there’s more than enough information. And information about the casualties is published selectively, as you rightly noted, if something does not get to the media through the Ministry of Defense, the press service will already respond, and if it doesn’t, then it will. And the same case, about the death of Mi-24 pilots on December 31 in Hama was reported (as infa became public), and the case also on December 31 at the Khmeimim airbase and also the death of military personnel were hushed up until the merchant published the info.

[flicker]

Two soldiers died, which is sad. The Russian air group in Syria is combat-ready and continues to carry out all its mission in full

Everything else lyrics

[Town Hall]

Quote: flicker

Two soldiers died, which is sad. The Russian air group in Syria is combat-ready and continues to carry out all its mission in full

Everything else lyrics

The Defense Ministry wrote streamlined: "The information about the destruction by militants of seven aircraft at the Khmeimim airbase in Syria on December 31 is untrue." and not "there were no losses in the planes"

This may mean that seven aircraft are damaged, but they can be repaired, and the fact that only 5 are destroyed, for example.


Statements that ALL airplanes on the base are not even from MO

[Muvka]

Throw a link to the online broadcast? How stupid you are. As I understand it, planes have been burning for 5 days? The shelling was 31. Apparently firefighters at the dumb base. PS: for the future, troll, do you even study the question before writing anything.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

What is the use of a link, (like - have already passed), if it is in real time? If you do not dissemble, then it is easier to make a screen and put it here!

[flicker]

Again, point : the air group continues to fulfill all tasks for the intended purpose in full.
It's a shame that the guys died - and the equipment will either be repaired or replaced if it is damaged.

[cedar]

But some people, in spite of all the efforts and condolences, cannot pin down. The desire comes out that there would be not two dead (God rest their souls), but two hundred twenty-two and not seven aircraft, but seven hundred seventy-seven. Then, if Putin slept in full ...
BUT .., tighten the lip dear.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

[Foundling]

Sorry for the guys. Question to the commanders: "how did the DRGs slip away in their rear areas?"

[donavi49]

It's not clear yet. In general, they could have beaten Bulgarian directly from the armistice zone.

From Idlib there is quite a lot of traffic for the peacekeeper (idlib and boor - this is an agricultural province). Cram a truck where a mortar is hidden under the gifts of the earth and 50 mines, and then a bus with a calculation - this is a matter of small full-scale bribes at the checkpoint to the Syrians.

In principle, if serious instructors took up the base seriously, then they can try to repeat the raid on the Camp Bastion. Where, under the guise of the Afghan army, they went to the base only when they ran to the flight deck did they arouse suspicion. As a result, all 6 Harriers, all the fuel storage, still 2 aircraft for decommissioning, 5 or 6 hours of battle.

[q75agent]

Quote: cedar

But some people, in spite of all the efforts and condolences, cannot pin down. The desire comes out that there would be not two dead (God rest their souls), but two hundred twenty-two and not seven aircraft, but seven hundred seventy-seven. Then, if Putin slept in full ...
BUT .., tighten the lip dear.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

I agree with everything written, except for the last name

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: q75agent

I agree with everything written, except for the last name

And with what agree? Only alive now please!

[rpuropuu]

Quote: Foundling

Sorry for the guys. Question to the commanders: "how did the DRGs slip away in their rear areas?"

The whole blame is the eternal gullibility and decency of Russia to its so-called "partners" It is far from accidental that this event was precisely December 31 We are trying in every possible way to spoil our holidays and achievements.

[rpuropuu]

Quote: Scoun

Quote: the most important

Hmm ... five days was not enough for details ... or everything is really bad.

New Year's greetings to the GDP, he already knew, and he should accept this little gain from the “opposition and partners,” and the answer should be crushing.

We have many time zones, so congratulations are recorded in advance

[Captain Nemo]

Let's estimate ... What can I put in a pickup truck? Something like our BM 82 mm. Firing range of about 3 km. And that the base defense structure did not foresee such a threat?

[Spec]

2B9M "Cornflower" for example. Delivered to Syria.

[infantry76]

A la guerre comme a la guerre - in war as in war. Eternal peace and Glory to the fallen soldiers!

[KVU-NSVD]

Most likely there was a night shelling of "wandering" mortars. Without adjustment and at random. With the expectation of a holiday with the Russians. Perhaps - they shot down something, but something flew. There are no impregnable fortresses and invulnerable air defense. Earth rest in peace - but they were at war. There are probably no serious damages to the equipment and the base. Aircraft may have been cut in pieces - but this is nothing. I hope to conduct a "debriefing" and correct errors and shortcomings in the air defense and base protection

[Eastern wind]

I sympathize with the relatives of the victims, but there is nothing more to talk about ... I will leave the “analysts” to understand.

[rpuropuu]

Quote: poplar in Kiev

Who won the GDP there ??
It is given to me that the planes were destroyed, too, and the nonsense with the MO was waiting for the training manual.
4 days passed and only current slept today from my

Then it turns out that Trump, Oland and May, didn’t defeat anyone either, be objective, and don’t put everything and everyone on one head.

[1536]

Once again, the success of the Western media and their accomplices within the country to discredit our mission in Syria should be noted. Bravo!
When will we wait for the arrival of "Marshal Zhukov" on the information front in the military department? In the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, for example, everything is in order in this regard, therefore it is calmer and more confidential.

[Captain Nemo]

I rummaged through the entire MO site. I did not find such news. What am I doing wrong? Editors, can check the news already?

[Mimoprohodil]

About the downed Mi-25, there was also no news on the MO website

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Captain Nemo

I rummaged through the entire MO site. I did not find such news. What am I doing wrong? Editors, can check the news already?

MO can confirm the news without publishing on its website !!!

[axenm]

When will the 4th victory be announced?

[MadCat]

Quote: axxenm

When will the 4th victory be announced?

wait on the line! The screenshot department wakes up with the Twitter department!

[Lionov]

It is not clear how this could happen, where are the vaunted special forces with night vision devices and thermal imagers, and what kind of mobile groups are these that quietly roll around the base at a distance of a mortar shot like invisible?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The distance of the mortar shot is up to 8 km, it’s with the munitions that the militants use ... They can shoot from a closed position, they can’t see it from the base either in the thermal imager or in the telescope, and it’s simply not possible to understand where the enemy’s mortar fires from .. .

In order to open the artillery position from the mortar to the MLRS, complexes like "Zoo" are needed, I worked on this one before it was put into service, for me it was very damp, constantly giving out failures, it was put on the B / D in Khankala so it’s there it didn’t bring any benefit and didn’t detect anything, even the officers didn’t understand how to work on it, on duty all the work was reduced to the fact that he just stood with a raised antenna and pretended to be working, although there was no duty on duty ...

That is, even the presence of the Zoo does not mean that everyone will be detected and suppressed as it should ...

I think the first thing is that we need a buffer zone around the base at the mortar’s firing range, where check-in and check-out is only through the checkpoint, completely close the perimeter with engineering means and regularly check their integrity, pass through special passes with full inspection .. Missiles, if anything intercepts the Shell, and of course for safety, counter-battery combat systems Zoo and others are also needed - to immediately identify the coordinates of where the fire is being fired from and suppress it - with your artillery (when possible) by attack aircraft or mobile groups with etsnaza ...

[NKVD]

Putin’s election rhetoric cost military personnel lives. They announced a victory over such a powerful group early on. Even in Chechnya, no one boasted so much.

[Captain Nemo]

Once again .... Poke in the FIRST SOURCE? Where is the message from the press service of the MO? I do not find on the MO site

[Vadim237]

So MO still has a holiday going on, the guys in charge of the site are resting.

[zyzx]

There, the Americans write that a rocket in North Korea fell on the city, I’ll think it over, the same rocket that destroyed 7 planes in Syria.

[camo ridges]

There has been too much hype and winning stories lately, our relaxed
boys, and it’s still a long way to complete victory, and you only need to celebrate a holiday in the war
when security is one hundred percent guaranteed. And where, one wonders, looked
intelligence also celebrated, or what? How could you miss such a movement
a large group capable of striking? Hell, all our punctures are in the famous Russian
weaknesses, and now it’s a matter of honor to take revenge so that none of those attackers is left
alive, regardless, were American advisers there or not. Personally, I am sure that without them
not done ...

[Korax71]

American advisers do not give you peace ???? let's remember the times of the USSR. in Korea, in Vietnam, in Angola there were no Russian advisers ??? there were !!!! and not only advisers. somehow it turns out two ways. or you say that ours were for the truth, and they were for geopolitical interests. this is not true from the very beginning. It so happened that both ours and their advisers, instructors will always come across. that they have, that we have the same methods.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Camo Grydeshi

and it’s only necessary to celebrate a holiday in the war
when security is one hundred percent guaranteed.

didn’t notice that even without a war, for example, Western digitalized security systems are not 100% safe ???

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

My deepest condolences to the relatives of the victims! Eternal glory to the fallen heroes! I don’t believe that our sworn “friends” couldn’t do it here, because everything looks very smooth and after all, according to reports, they didn’t catch anyone, they shot and calmly left ?! That does not relieve the responsibility of our military commanders for organizing the defense of the base! Hurried with reports of victory, and already awarded everyone, here they relaxed, and here is the new year ..

[Old military officer]

In any case, this is a war, sorry for the banality, including information. The shelling took place, people died, peace be upon them and sorrow. Someone will answer for this and answer in full, because, despite the political regime, the army remains an army as long as there is discipline. Interestingly, the anti-Putin mass media began to spread this information first. And "friends", oddly enough, keep quiet. But the fans are working at full strength and that there is plenty to throw on them ...

[Herculesic]

The first is to condemn the “merchant” for an outright lie, the second is why didn’t the people immediately bother to tell the news, or didn’t want to spoil the feast for themselves? ?? Who will believe them after this? ?? The third and most important thing is to land our soldiers in peace! This only confirms that we very, very urgently need impact drones! !!!!!!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Herkulesich

why didn’t the news immediately bother the people to inform

The less you know the better you sleep. This is about the "people", exactly.

Quote: Herkulesich

This only confirms that we very, very urgently need impact drones!

Snowless
And how would they help in this case, I wonder?

[Herculesic]

Roman, you looked better with a cat! Your habit of commenting not on an event, but on comments, especially from the point of view of a Russian language teacher, betrays you! !!!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Herkulesich

Your habit of commenting is not an event, but comments, especially from the point of view of a Russian language teacher ...

Is this something “from a position”?
Notify the masses about the loss of MO is not required. Contest, if desired.
"Impactless" in this particular case would not help. No way and nothing.
I can make faces too
PS: Everything that is possible "by the event" has already been commented up and down ... IMHO even superfluous, in places.
Little information to comment on anything. In the "news".

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Herkulesich

second, why didn’t the people immediately bother to tell the news, or didn’t they want to spoil the feast for themselves? ??

Why should the people report every negative news regarding the RF Ministry of Defense ??? especially about the losses ... also in the new year !!! Don’t shove everywhere unshakable democracy !!!! and your logic is strange .... the businessman slaughtered such a fraudulent fake, but now no one should believe !!!

[yuliatreb]

Two pilots who arrived just at the time of the Mi 24 shelling were killed, both pilots from the city of Berdsk, Novosibirsk Region, 100% verified information, fake crap on the account of the 7 injured. Eternal memory to our heroes!

[Captain Nemo]

These pilots died during a helicopter crash. Just December 31st. Which was previously reported. Maybe it’s worth checking the “verified” information?

[yuliatreb]

Two events on the same day, it does not seem strange or a coincidence to you, I don’t see the need to double-check something, and prove something to someone, of course, it’s easier to believe Kommersant.

[Captain Nemo]

It seems to me that you don’t need to bury the same people twice on the “proven” INF agency of the OBS

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: yuliatreb

Two pilots who arrived just at the time of the Mi 24 shelling were killed, both pilots from the city of Berdsk, Novosibirsk Region, 100% verified information, fake crap on the account of the 7 injured. Eternal memory to our heroes!

There, the pilots died in Hama, "" When making a hard landing 15 km from the destination airfield, both pilots died. "And here at the Khmeimim airbase (and not the fact that the pilots) as a result of the shelling, so do not be confused, these are 2 different events.

[Captain Nemo]

Are you sure that yliatreb studied the geography of events? That is, the crocodile’s armored car does not hold fragments? Shards flew into the lateral plexus and both died? Where is the flight engineer?

[Nemesis]

Those who are responsible for the ground security of the base should be demoted to privates and put on trial... Mortars are not Scud missiles, in order to fire from them you need to come close to the base, and if they were able to come close, then the base security is no good...

[Vadim237]

They could just as well have fired at the base from a portable hailstone.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The base security guards the base itself, in order to fire at it from 120 mm you need to approach it 7 km or a little closer, no base security will do anything here, you need an additional buffer around the base at a distance of 8 km, with reinforced checkpoints and special passes, so that not a single mouse can slip through and be able to reach the range from which the base can be fired at with mortars, and the missiles intercept the Shells...
It’s strange that ours didn’t consider this scenario, especially since our embassy and hospital were shelled, nurses were killed...
I hope that the right conclusions will be drawn now and the right decisions will be made so that this does not happen again in the future...

[Vadim237]

They can also fire at our base with homemade missiles - about 10 kilometers away.

[Nemesis]

The fact that our embassy and base are being shelled with mortars speaks of the incompetence of those generals who are supposed to provide their protection

[Adlik]

Everything is strange, there is no video from terrorists, no photos from satellites from partners, no photos of columns of smoke, from the town itself the local Syrians would have captured it and posted it online, in general we are waiting for details, I myself admit that the warehouse from the ammo simply took off, the spread of ammunition cut several aircraft, but are blamed on terrorists so that for such negligence you can lose something

[EvilLion]

The scattering of ammunition usually forces everyone within a radius of many kilometers to scramble, and if the ammunition of a bomb is from 227 kg...

[Sergeant71]

In general, they confirmed what cannot be hidden - the dead. It won't be possible to keep quiet - it's not the USSR anymore, after all. There is no need for various bad rumors on the eve of the elections. But it’s hard to believe that the equipment was not damaged at all. Many thematic sites wrote with reference to their subscribers, usually private military officers, that there was a strong explosion at the base. And most likely air bombs/missiles exploded.

[Vadim237]

“And most likely air bombs/missiles exploded.” If the warehouse exploded there, then there would be ten times more dead and wounded, two - officially announced.

[bubalik]

But it’s hard to believe that the equipment was not damaged at all. Many thematic sites wrote with reference to their subscribers, usually private military officers, that there was a strong explosion at the base. And most likely air bombs/missiles exploded.

If the warehouse exploded there, then there would be ten times more dead and wounded, two - officially announced.

,,,
,,, and no one was able to photograph, no fire, no smoke

[svp67]

Quote: bubalik

, and no one could take pictures, no fire, no smoke

And there they also “say” that the ammunition depot blew up into the air, what a FIREWORKS show. And without such personnel, the barmalei will not receive any money.... No evidence - no money

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Sergeant71

It won't be possible to keep quiet - it's not the USSR anymore, after all.

do you hear a lot about the losses of Western civilized people????

[Sergeant71]

Quote: yuliatreb

Two pilots who arrived just at the time of the Mi 24 shelling were killed, both pilots from the city of Berdsk, Novosibirsk Region, 100% verified information, fake crap on the account of the 7 injured. Eternal memory to our heroes!

About 7 planes is a fake, but there was a strong explosion at the base. Perhaps the ammunition depot exploded due to a mine hit. But whether the equipment was damaged as a result is a question.....

[sabotage]

Where do the firewood come from? Can you give more details?

[EvilLion]

The explosion of the ammunition depot would have destroyed a third of the base.

[Mestny]

Quote: just explo

they claim that seven planes were not destroyed, but they did not say about six planes and less or more than seven, moreover, the fact that they were silent for so many days suggests that our Defense Ministry is actually hiding losses. so from now on I don’t believe either, I don’t believe either liberals, nor IO.

Can you read?
Quote from the article:

The message of Kommersant about the alleged "actual destruction" of seven Russian military aircraft at the Khmeimim airbase is a fake. The Russian air group in Syria is combat-ready and continues to perform all the tasks for its intended purpose in full.
- Said in the Ministry of Defense.

I draw the attention of all fake shooters and fighters for the truth - “continues to perform all tasks as intended in in full"
However, the question of faith is like this - either you believe your own or your enemies.
Which characterizes some perfectly.

[Vadim237]

The Ministry of Defense can hide combat losses - this has been officially announced.

[Tusv]

Fuck them with planes. They will either be repaired or not. Two died.
Where is Retribution to the right and to the left

[Chichikov]

The Kommersant report about the alleged “actual destruction” of seven Russian military aircraft at the Khmeimim airbase is a fake.

Fake? For such information dumps, you need to ask for full, even criminal liability - from the editor to the "scribbler". Russia is in a state of information war, and this must be taken into account, and not pretend that nothing happened.
In the past, such scribblers were not promoted beyond articles in the school wall newspaper. And if they moved, then to Siberia!

[gig334]

It was immediately clear that this was a fake, I’m talking about 7 destroyed planes. The Americans had a similar situation; their Air Force base was shelled. but they damaged 10 helicopters https://news.ru/v-mire/povstancy-v-irake-obstrely
ali-bazu-amerikanskih-vvs/

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I would like to believe that this is the case, although two dead is too much damage that could have been avoided...

This is not the first time the base has been shelled, the nurses have died - they haven’t learned their lesson, the firing range of the mortars used by the militants does not exceed 8 km - which means that it is precisely at this range + 2-3 km from the base that there should be reinforced checkpoints so that not a single mouse gets through , it’s not like someone dragged a mortar from an armored vehicle... Well, for backup we need Zoo complexes and an artillery unit to counteract, of course, when this is possible and the militants do not fire from residential areas, and if from densely populated areas then an operational one is needed a group to eliminate this threat and helicopters and infantry, so that in case the militants somehow get beyond the 8 km buffer. zone, quickly determine their coordinates and suppress firing points, and then clear this place...

[EvilLion]

2-3 km from the base, this is a circle with a radius of at least 4 kilometers, the length of such a circle exceeds 12 km. Moreover, the base was built on the basis of an already existing airfield, and it was not originally built 20 km deep into the desert.

[Spec]

There, on one side, the sea is two kilometers away, and on the other, the mountains are five kilometers away. The airfield is surrounded by residential buildings and an extensive network of roads... You'll understand where it's coming from.

[Ilja2016]

The Moscow Region is doing the right thing in not disclosing information. Everything must be kept secret.

[EvilLion]

This is possible only in one case, when shooting literally through a fence, at a long distance everything is cut out by the “shells”. If it didn’t work out before, but suddenly it did, then it’s obvious that either someone much more trained was working, or there was a betrayal.

[Ilja2016]

Quote: Chichikov

The Kommersant report about the alleged “actual destruction” of seven Russian military aircraft at the Khmeimim airbase is a fake.

Fake? For such information dumps, you need to ask for full, even criminal liability - from the editor to the "scribbler". Russia is in a state of information war, and this must be taken into account, and not pretend that nothing happened.
In the past, such scribblers were not promoted beyond articles in the school wall newspaper. And if they moved, then to Siberia!

Agree. Such actions should be followed by a tough reaction from law enforcement agencies and Roskomnadzor.

[gafarovsafar]

How did we get to the base within shooting distance? Who missed? Everyone involved in this is on the wall

[Nikolai Grek]

how-how... there is a mess going on there in a large part of north-west Syria!!!

[aws4]

a shame!!!!!!!!!! well, okay, rocket fire and here from mortars... this only tells me that even a 10 km zone around the base no one can control, not ours, not the Syrian army, police, special services... this is how they won in Syria that even the specially guarded the object is being shelled from mortars?????????

[anjey]

I repeat once again, since the time for major military operations in Syria has passed, it means the time has come for intelligence and counterintelligence and specialists from the internal security services and not only Syrian ones, although ours have been working there for so long, to uncover these bandit groups - based on the experience of the NKVD’s fight against the vile Banderaites (not we should neglect the experience of our grandfathers, gained in blood and adapt it to modern challenges), who also received, first, German support and assistance and then Anglo-American, so the tales of the Novobanderaites about the struggle for the independence of Ukraine are complete nonsense - the OUN members, the fosterlings of Hitler, have always been a tool and puppets in the fight, first with the USSR and now with Russia, so the style is the same and the enemy is the same, and history repeats itself..., especially since this experience will be useful to us again in Bandera’s Ukraine...

[Monarchist]

Comrade anjey, the experience of the NKVD in this situation is of little benefit: 1) foreign territory, 2) in fact, the NKVD was able, even not immediately, to defeat only large gangs, and small underground cells calmly adapted and have now “woke up”.
It seems to me appropriate to take a closer look at the recent experience of our KGB and especially in Afghanistan. There won’t be much to adapt there, but they had to actively work there

[anjey]

don’t talk about the NKVD like that, they worked like “pros”, the OUN also had their own agents, there were flying fighter squads dressed as Banderaites, so you can learn a lot, I think this kind of work is still going on...

[Selin Andrey]

A very interesting point. We urgently need to look for a source of primary information about the destroyed planes and a dozen dead people. Whose ears will they be, do you think?

[Radical]

Quote: Deck

27 December, the group "Second coastal brigade of the SSA" reported the shelling of the base. They illustrated this with a photograph of a shell with the inscription "Sochi is yours, and our Hama"

By the way, it is written in Turkish... . New Year's greetings to Guarantor... .

[Radical]

Quote: EvilLion

This is possible only in one case, when shooting literally through a fence, at a long distance everything is cut out by the “shells”. If it didn’t work out before, but suddenly it did, then it’s obvious that either someone much more trained was working, or there was a betrayal.

The usual carelessness took place!

[anjey]

They posted the photo - for the sake of feces?

[anjey]

and if this is a well-planned joint CIA-Mossad operation, anyone will be bought and intimidated for the sake of the result, in Syria we need a strong internal security service, intelligence and counterintelligence, and not without our help, so to speak... we will have to actually clean up the Mossad agents - on war is like war, I think there are a dime a dozen of them...

[Monarchist]

Quote: ul_vitalii

Scanty information, well, at least that.

But in Komersant it is described in detail: how many and what kind of aircraft were destroyed and the ammunition depot was blown up

[Adlik]

Scarce in the sense that, apart from Kommersant and the Moscow Region, no one else provided information, neither barmalei, nor “partners”, nor any other sources

[q75agent]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Oh dude !!! I would, in your place, follow the "language" ... You first, as an Explorer in the ranks, grow up ... And then, come, incomprehensible types with patriotic slogans and begin to "deserved", spread rot ...

and that there is already hazing at VO lived in the sofa troops already in turmoil

[Piramidon]

It is necessary to destroy all the incomparable and exemplary opposition along with the ISIS and the Nusrs.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Piramidon

It is necessary to destroy all the incomparable and exemplary opposition along with the ISIS and the Nusrs.

Maybe now they will start to wet it indiscriminately!!!

[krops777]

Pancir026
Once again, what does all your pretentiousness have to do with it now? If they are responsible for everything now, the command of the base. What are you sculpting some obviously understandable nonsense?,

This may be nonsense for you, but as a former intelligence officer, it’s far from nonsense for me, I know what I’m talking about, everyone has their own view of events.

[Oleg7700]

The first photos appear on the networks, supposedly from the base. Absolutely not authenticated!..

[q75agent]

don't be happy the earth is round, we also gloat.....

[Cheldon]

It seems to me that the plane is in the air, the ground is visible somewhere below

[voyaka uh]

If in the air, then the pieces of skin would not hang down, but would be deflected by the oncoming
air flow backwards...

[Cheldon]

What about the angle? Wouldn't it be easier to just take a photo from the side, without getting underneath the plane? And where can you see what was cut by the fragments? The stabilizer is deflected downwards. And some kind of antenna (PVD?) is visible on the plane. More questions than answers.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Cheldon

And on the plane you can see some kind of antenna (PVD?)

This is an electrostatic discharger to remove static charge from the surface of the wing.

[Town Hall]

It's not very likely to explode a mine....

[megadeth]

What the Syrian government forces were supposed to do to American bases and airfields, the Americans, with the involvement of the Syrian Democratic Army, did to us... Glory to you know who...

[anjey]

Don’t you think that in real life we ​​are already at full blown war with the USA, Israel, the Saudis and the notorious Europe - alone with a minimum of allies, our enemies are simply fighting with the wrong hands, providing complete logistics - the most modern weapons, unlimited finances, accurate information and intelligence , your own specialists and recruits from all over the world, thank the great Internet, do you think it’s very easy to win such a war? ??? Moreover, in the rear we have half of the oligarchs, if not more, not for the Motherland but for the Loot... not having a clear ideology, we are trying to sit on 2 chairs, maybe this is not bad, only God knows where the curve will lead...

[olhon]

Let's not panic.

[Sergeant71]

Quote: Young_Communist

Quote: Tusk

Well now barmalei hold on... Revenge will be cruel!

Have you already taken revenge for Motorola, Givi, Odessa and the plane shot down by the Turks, mother’s avengers?

They took revenge. Increasing trade volumes. Especially with Banderstadt

[sad1940]

Quote: Pancir026

Another question, if the barmalei, can use mortars, what is the caliber and why is the security zone so small that the shellings are so easily carried out by these dushmans.

This is the most important thing - why the hell did they rest on their laurels and not provide the necessary protection for the base? Those responsible need to get their ass kicked for this!

[Uralean]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Oh dude !!! I would, in your place, follow the "language" ... You first, as an Explorer in the ranks, grow up ... And then, come, incomprehensible types with patriotic slogans and begin to "deserved", spread rot ...

Who is the honorable one here? And who deserves it? It will turn out to be an interesting calico....

[Uralean]

Quote: Oleg7700

The first photos appear on the networks, supposedly from the base. Absolutely not authenticated!..

Yeah... in the photo it’s like in an American song from the forties.. We’re flying on one wing.... Photo of Su 24 in the air looks like (or montage)... In short, it’s a laugh, not a fact..

[Vadim237]

No, on the ground - you can’t take a picture like that in the air

[Oleg7700]

Those who are “in the know” write that they could not find this photo in the archives of famous aircraft accidents and disasters.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

SU 24 number 29

[donavi49]

There are already normal photos. Blokhin even posted the shelling in Tvover’s (Mokrushin’s) LiveJournal video.

[donavi49]

This one without a tail. In total, 2 sides were cut from the photo.

Nikolsky (a correspondent who regularly goes there and is in the Kremlin pool) confirms 2 new dry ones - 1 can be easily repaired on the spot, 5 other vehicles, including a transport board to varying degrees.

Saponkov gives this:
At the base in Khmeimim. However, the equipment was damaged. Preliminarily 6 Su-24, 1 Su-35S, 1 An-72, 1 An-30 reconnaissance aircraft, 1 Mi-8. 2 Su-24 and Su-35S were put into operation.

[Odysseus]

Quote: donavi49

This one without a tail. In total, 2 sides were cut from the photo.

The ones in the photo can be restored. It would be a real pity for the Su-35 if it’s in shambles. I hope they will restore it.

[Adlik]

In the video there are New Year's fireworks, people are celebrating the New Year, there are tracers everywhere, and in the background there are fireworks and explosions, and generally where it was filmed

[NN52]

donavi49

I would like to clarify with you whether the rains there as in the photo correspond to reality at this time?
Just clarifying.

[Shahno]

Yes, sure. Flooding in Ashkelon.

[NN52]

Shahno

This means that all the aircraft were on the ground and the drones were not flying either...
Got it.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: donavi49

There are already normal photos. Blokhin even posted the shelling in Tvover’s (Mokrushin’s) LiveJournal video.

While some are looking for saboteurs all over the world, it turns out that they are actually located right at our base!!! Here it is necessary to conduct an investigation into how such photos got into the public domain!!! It is thanks to such “informants” that all sorts of “businessmen” and “rains” then rivet such large-scale fakes!!!

[Cheldon]

A friend of mine, who served in Afghanistan, told me that on Navruz and Kurban Bayram we fired at dushmans, and on New Year’s Day and Soviet Army Day, responses were constantly arriving. So this also needs to be taken into account. "And eternal battle! We only dream of peace" A. Blok

[Maz]

Quote: EvilLion

Large shot down accurately, and until they reached, everything was quiet. Nothing has flown for more than 2 years.

There is a change in the barmaley's tactics. As a result of a change in the general situation in favor of Assad and Saa. We will also have to change tactics. In war, as in war. As an option, now something bad will happen at one of the US and NATO bases in Syria, or nearby. I'm sorry, but with the death of English-speaking personnel, approximately in the ratio: one to ten. The British know what this means. Let's watch the news. Yes... and we will have nothing to do with this incident. At all.

[16112014nk]

Has a guerrilla war begun in Syria? And even more so on December 31, when we have a problem maintaining at least a minimum state of combat effectiveness and combat readiness.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: 16112014nk

guerrilla warfare

it is necessary to greatly distort the essence of what is happening in order to proclaim terrorists as partisans!!! here, rather, the terrorists simply continue to carry out their terrorist activities!!!

[16112014nk]

The President and the Minister of Defense said that all terrorists destroyed. Is not it? And why then don’t these terrorists fire at US bases? Their president also destroyed all the terrorists.

[hrych]

Quote: 16112014nk

The President and the Minister of Defense said that all the terrorists were destroyed. Is not it?

No not like this. Listen more carefully to the Warlords. Destroyed state ISIS.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: 16112014nk

The President and the Minister of Defense said that all the terrorists were destroyed.

if you have reinterpreted the words of our leadership in your own way and present it as truth, then this is your problem!!

Quote: 16112014nk

And why then don’t these terrorists fire at US bases?

If you haven’t noticed, the Americans and their mongrels have been seen in fairly close cooperation and sponsorship of terrorists... that’s why they don’t fire at them... who would shoot at their masters!!!

[shuravi]

Calm down, hot armchair strategists. In Afghanistan, spirits very often tried to bombard airfields. True, not with mortars, but with RS. Moreover, with a delayed start. That is, they put them in position, aimed and made their feet. And after a while the RS started.
But the results of such attacks cannot boast of being particularly effective. We also tried mortars, but it turned out even worse. The mortar is weaker and most importantly, the crew is easily covered.
In addition, every airfield has 2-3 security rings. So, most likely, the soldiers from the outer guard were injured.

[Cheldon]

[quote=Radikal][quote=Deck]
By the way, it is written in Turkish... . [/quote] türkmen(Turk) dağ(mountains)ı sogi-literally Turmen mountains of Sochi

[assa67]

Gentlemen, why argue about airplanes? Well, a couple of cars were cut by shrapnel - iron is iron, they will fix it... but I feel sorry for the people... may they rest in peace

[Mentat]

Quote: just EXPL

why then about Pabda over the igil they reported so quickly? because they should not report to me, but they will cheerfully report successes on the same day. but as they raked, so silent.
I would also like at work so much that I would if I did well. me to the prize, if I screwed up, then I don’t have to report anything to anyone.

Because on New Year's holidays, peaceful people should celebrate with joy; on these days, the media does not throw out any rubbish, nor are they full of reports about the disasters that are abundant in the world. Those who need this for duty are in the know. “Just exploits” with an inflated sense of their own importance are not included in the list.
Kommersant violated this unspoken rule; I don’t think that it achieved anything good for itself as a publication and for its staff. But what is much more important, this media, so to speak, violated the most important rule of journalism: indicate the source of information. Who could report such information to the Kommersant newspaper? Bypassing the secrecy regime, bypassing the rules for operating communications. There are two options: information from the United States or from the militants themselves, or fake information. “Kommersant” does not paint either one or the other; rather, it outlines its essence more clearly.

[Shahno]

Quote: Gray Brother

27-go was the launch of a missile at the base. The rocket is downed.
You can write at least a three-letter word on the fence.

Can. One of three.

[Shahno]

Quote: Shahno

Quote: Gray Brother

27-go was the launch of a missile at the base. The rocket is downed.
You can write at least a three-letter word on the fence.

Can. One of three.

Only we shoot down more than half.

[earloop]

The guys will figure it out! The security and defense of one’s base, especially after the end of hostilities and the presence of underdogs and their sponsors, I think, is “tailored” to excluding such exes.

[faiver]

Well, what can we say - sorry, the Moscow Region has screwed up... I don’t understand what’s the point of trying to hide in our time of digital technology...

[Muvka]

What did they hide? Where did they lie?

[faiver]

what date is today?
as a result, the Russian Defense Ministry now looks like a beaten puppy, and is forced to make excuses...

[Muvka]

And they are not required to report such things. Especially on New Year's holidays. Why spoil people's mood? Then they would say. It's always been like this.

[ventel]

Sorry, but when Chernobyl exploded, they also didn’t want to ruin the holiday. When they begin to hide the truth, panic and fear appear in society and rumors appear. But the most offensive thing is that they will find a scapegoat and society will not ask either the Ministry of Defense or the Authority why the soldiers died, because again they will make noodles and they will be believed.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: ventel

But what’s most offensive is that they will find a scapegoat and society will not ask either the Ministry of Defense or the Government

You, apparently, have gone too far with democracy!!! Are you fighting in Syria or are your relatives in order to put forward such claims to the Russian Defense Ministry???!!! it does not exist so that, at your whim, you can post all the information for public access... especially information regarding real military operations!!! It is thanks to our MO that you sit smartly on the couch and scribble your nonsense!!!

[ventel]

These are the people in the Soviet era who also sat near the TV and listened to international debt, and neither the party nor the government ever explained why we got into Afghanistan. And as for democracy, the United States came out of Vietnam thanks to a society that learned the truth about the war and politicians listened to people. But in your country they want to repeat the experience of the USSR, where losses were hidden behind victorious realizations. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe in the USSR there were anti-war rallies against the war in Afghanistan, just like in the USA against the war in Vietnam, so tell me. Are you sure that you are fighting terrorists and not for the interests of the gas oligarchs. Well, I found my mind not on the couch, but in a sleeping bag, in a tent, or even in an open field.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: ventel

These are the people in the Soviet era who also sat near the TV and listened to international debt, and neither the party nor the government ever explained why we got into Afghanistan. And as for democracy, the United States came out of Vietnam thanks to a society that learned the truth about the war and politicians listened to people. But in your country they want to repeat the experience of the USSR, where losses were hidden behind victorious realizations. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe in the USSR there were anti-war rallies against the war in Afghanistan, just like in the USA against the war in Vietnam, so tell me. Are you sure that you are fighting terrorists and not for the interests of the gas oligarchs. Well, I found my mind not on the couch, but in a sleeping bag, in a tent, or even in an open field.

you leave this demagoguery for the country under whose flag you are babbling here!!! You can hang these fairy tales on your yellow-blue ears!!! you still don’t know how many of your “cyborgs” are left lying in the boilers for spare parts, and here you are going to Syria to count our losses!!!

[ventel]

Apart from emoticons and rote phrases, there is nothing to say to your opponent. And everyone is trying to teach someone. Sorry, I met people who, in response to their opponent’s arguments, shouted that you were, but after a couple of years, when asked who was right, they silently looked at their feet. This will happen to you too.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: faiver

what can I say - MO sorry...

If you have served at least once, you should know which place (to your superiors) you should not look into.
Moreover, as you have already correctly pointed out, the Moscow Region does not owe you anything.
And they will draw conclusions without your SHEEP, don’t hesitate.

[faiver]

The Russian Defense Ministry, including a bunch of generals from the General Staff, also live at my expense, so they are obliged....

[hrych]

Quote: faiver

The Russian Defense Ministry, including a bunch of generals from the General Staff, also live at my expense, so they are obliged....

Or maybe we’ll say it differently: “You’re still alive at their expense.”

[faiver]

I don’t have a war in my country......, so let’s pass

[hrych]

Quote: faiver

I don’t have a war in my country......, so let’s pass

That’s why it’s not, because there are ICBMs and more, and some people service them. But these showdowns and leaks of information interfere with the accomplishment of the combat mission. One thing can be said that the attack on the base and the Iranian Maidan were coordinated actions, incl. according to the information field. We can safely say that the action failed. But there are losses and they are recognized, and the defense has a gap, everything will be fixed, which is what the Ministry of Defense announced.

[Freeman]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: katana

Your MO is responsible for the late submission of information about the shelling of the Khmeimim base and an attempt to conceal this information.

For the sake of decency, at least state the law according to which the Moscow Region is obliged to carry out the actions you voiced!!! you clearly confused reality with your fantasies!!!

The law (presidential decree) requires exactly the opposite.

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of May 28.05.2015, 273 No. 30 "On Amendments to the List of Information Related to State Secrets, approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 1995, 1203 No. XNUMX"
Publication Date: 28.05.2015

http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/000
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[q75agent]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

Which one do you agree with? Only from the living ones please

Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov is alive, but he’s in prison..., unlike the talkers, he at least tried to fight liberalism

[Strashila]

Do you know why American technology in the Western press is the best... because there are no correspondents there... glory at any cost... this is strictly suppressed, https://lenta.ru/news/2018/01/04/photo_to_est/, no matter how they talk about patriotism... we have plenty of cretins in strategic places... how such people get there is a question for counterintelligence.

[Dedall]

It’s interesting that back in the days of Tukhachevsky, sound direction-finding stations were invented to determine enemy artillery positions. Near Urus-Martan in 2001, I saw tests of modern analogues and this is the news! I consider this fact to be a product of our carelessness.

[shuravi]

What's the point of carelessness? That several mines were fired at the forward security posts?

[Methane]

A RBC source in the Ministry of Defense said that one helicopter and an SU-24 were damaged during the attack. “The shelling was carried out from the MLRS [multiple launch rocket systems] from the de-escalation zone, mortars worked from the zone under the protection of the Syrians. Two of the dead are helicopter pilots, ”said the source of RBC in the Ministry of Defense.
According to him, the duty around the base was organized “as expected.” “The rockets were knocked down, but the mortar shots were almost impossible to shoot down. [The consequence of the attack will be] complete clearing and expansion of the [protected] zone [around the base]. When someone shoots you in the back, you’re not always ready for it,” the source noted.

[nov_tech.vrn]

“Filming of a Su-24 of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Khmeimim, tail number 29, which was allegedly destroyed in the Kommersant article and allegedly damaged in Saponkov’s photo. The plane is taxiing for takeoff.” Some comrades should understand the old truth, the brain is not a stomach, and is of poor quality, well, or poisoned the product cannot be vomited!

[lis-ik]

verner1967,
So I agree with you, but a bonus with a larger number of buyers is not needed if the seller works for a percentage of the proceeds, another thing is that, contrary to the assurances on “TV,” trade has dropped considerably, even on the days before the holidays, and this trend is increasing since 2012.

[rocket757]

The same rake, only the rams are different.
I don’t believe that there wasn’t someone mindful who warned that this would happen!!!
Most likely, the newly-minted “Cassandra” got hit on the ears and waited, watching from the hole as his predictions came true!!!
I can’t stand Arabs, since the times of the USSR, when they prepared and helped the “brothers” from the east... I could predict the same thing.

[lis-ik]

MOSKVITYANIN,
Hey YOU Hamlo, tell your mom about your dad, this is once again about your childish intelligence, and if you are completely at odds with the laws, then before you go on a serious site, at least read something! If you don’t understand anything at all in the field of trading, then comment on computer games, this is your level, and once again don’t make a fool of yourself.

[Zina389]

I remember that Erdogan strongly stood up for these Turkmens. In BV there are such greetings from “friends” too. In general, it’s very oriental, they kiss with one facial expression, but when they hug behind their back, the expression changes. In fact, it was more difficult to get to the base. Shelling - minutes + celebration, confusion. The barmalei disappeared amid the noise. Mines are very dangerous. In Israel, a mine once hit a cowshed on the border. All the cows were killed by one mine. The roads need to be patrolled, they won't carry much on the hump. But there is little hope for the Arabs.