In Kiev, they stated that the country is doing without winter gas for the third winter

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Ukraine, following the results of 2017, has increased gas imports from Europe by 26,8% to 14,1 billion cubic meters, while the country has been without Russian fossil fuels for the third winter, reports RIA News message of the press service of "Ukrtransgaz".



Already for 768 days (third winter), Ukraine does not import gas for its needs from the Russian Federation. During this period, including the 2017 year, gas volumes came exclusively from EU countries. Total this year (2017 year) from Slovak, Hungarian and Polish directions transported 14,1 billion cubic meters, which is 26,8% more than last year and is a record value for the whole history functioning of the Ukrainian GTS,
says release.

Ukraine stopped buying gas from Russia in November of 2015, and in 2016-2017 did not use Russian fuel in preparation for the heating season.

It is noted that "the flow of natural gas to the gas transportation system from the Ukrainian gas production enterprises increased to 20,8 billion cubic meters, and compared to the 12 month 2016, production in Ukraine increased by 620 million cubic meters or 3,1%."

According to the report, Ukraine entered the 2018 year "with the largest, compared to the beginning of the last five years, gas reserves in underground storage facilities - 14,7 billion cubic meters."

Thus, Ukrtransgaz pumped into underground storage facilities of 9,2 billion cubic meters of gas suppliers and producers of blue fuel, which is 43,2% more than in 2016 year. “In January-December, 2017 of the Ukrainian UGS selected 6,4 billion cubic meters, which is 23,2% less than in the 2016 year,” the press service explained.

According to the company, "Ukrainian consumers of all categories were transported by the 28,4 gas pipeline with a billion cubic meters of gas, which is 14,9% less than in the 2016 year." It is noted that "the indicator of gas consumption by Ukraine is specified without taking into account the volume of gas for production and technological needs of Ukrtrangaz, the regional gas industry and the producing enterprises."

The company also said that gas transit volumes across Ukraine reached a record level over the past eight years: “In general, 93,5 billion cubic meters of natural gas for European consumers were transacted through the Ukrainian gas transport system for the reporting year, which is 13,7% higher than the same year’s 2016.

The press service added that the branch of the company, the Operator of the Ukrainian GTS, promptly and fully fulfills requests for transportation of blue fuel.
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  1. +5
    3 January 2018 18: 05
    But the favor remained ... !!!
    1. +15
      3 January 2018 18: 19
      Well, with this tribute they will also live ten years. The mentality will not allow returning ..
      Quote: Tusk
      But the favor remained ... !!!
      1. +9
        3 January 2018 19: 07
        Dmitry, Nichrome they will not work. It will be necessary, Wonder-Yudo will call for help!

        In general, I got a squirrel here on Channel One for two days knocking on a TV monitor. And to you?
        1. +5
          3 January 2018 19: 22
          Against evil spirits? Glory, here I think light forces are needed .. And it is the political will of our leadership, well, if that doesn’t help, then I think that the skeletons in the closet are full with which you can give.
          Quote: sabakina
          Dmitry, Nichrome they will not work. It will be necessary, Wonder-Yudo will call for help!

          In general, I got a squirrel here on Channel One for two days knocking on a TV monitor. And to you?
          1. +24
            3 January 2018 20: 07
            Namely, the political will of our leadership

            Which one? This one?
            1. +2
              3 January 2018 20: 11
              Is it Peskov? This is a pipe under the leadership .. Just a voiceover behind the scenes ..
              Quote: INVESTOR
              Namely, the political will of our leadership

              Which one? This one?
              1. +11
                3 January 2018 20: 24
                Then I will give you more characters from our government, how do you like this? And there are such majority, I can throw many more proofs, the king is good, the boyars are bad?

                User kament "He graduated from a prestigious college, and all of you Happy New Year of the dog, you stay there."
                1. +1
                  3 January 2018 22: 40
                  *** Some journalists claim that Navka, in addition to Russian, has US citizenship [7] [8] ***
                  From Wikipedia. But I would not take the allegations of some journalists for the ultimate truth.
                  1. +2
                    3 January 2018 23: 06
                    And if you look at the topic of the news, then the citizenship of Peskov-Navka and so on, then all this does not apply to the topic of the news at all - OFF-TOP.
                  2. +5
                    4 January 2018 08: 45
                    Navka filed a tax return in the United States, (easily googled) means she is a resident of this tax zone, therefore she has citizenship.
                2. +4
                  4 January 2018 05: 43
                  One Lyokha Bulk patriot !!!!!! And Ksenia too !!!! wink
              2. +2
                3 January 2018 21: 28
                It happens, and the “pipe” leads the main party .... What the hell is he a dog patriot ....
                1. +3
                  4 January 2018 07: 42
                  Muscovites, by virtue of their large numbers, supported by Leningrad and other million-plus cities, at one time crushed the Soviet regime by voting for Yeltsin and his camarilla. Now they only have to sing patriotic songs.
              3. 0
                4 January 2018 11: 00
                For 768 days (the third winter), Ukraine has not imported gas for its needs from the Russian Federation. During this period, including 2017, gas volumes came exclusively from the EU countries.

                An amazing country continues to live in its pan and enjoys it. Buying an iPhone from China does not mean that it is Chinese.
            2. +4
              3 January 2018 20: 20
              The orphan. One `` patriot '' remained in the family, the damned foreigners overlaid.
          2. +3
            3 January 2018 22: 23
            Yes, yes .... As I saw the squirrel for the first time, I already flinched ... It’s good that the sinking wife admitted that she saw her too negative
        2. 0
          3 January 2018 21: 34
          Quote: sabakina
          I got a squirrel on Channel One for two days knocking on a TV monitor. And to you?

          Glory, hold on. We're few. For each of Us, one and a half bourgeois on the snout. Or do you want to say that the detachment has lost a fighter? soldier
        3. +1
          3 January 2018 22: 15
          Quote: sabakina
          Dmitry, Nichrome they will not work. It will be necessary, Wonder-Yudo will call for help!

          In general, I got a squirrel here on Channel One for two days knocking on a TV monitor. And to you?

          I know why. You have too much worth on the table, so it breaks toward you. I have nothing but dried vinaigrette. It’s not breaking for me.
          Either drink or hide in the refrigerator. Or drink ..... Or hide ...... or .....
    2. +3
      3 January 2018 22: 43
      To whom are they showing off? In any case, they buy Russian gas and ultimately pay Russia. Yes, and intermediaries. ...
  2. +6
    3 January 2018 18: 07
    Madhouse continues. This is not treated, amputation is urgently needed, otherwise it will be worse .............
    1. +10
      3 January 2018 18: 10
      What can I say - only according to Lavrov, apparently they like to overpay or give a commission there more, at the expense of the pockets of the people.
      1. +1
        3 January 2018 18: 56
        They only like the ball. Each ruble in the pocket of another has a personal insult for them.
      2. 0
        5 January 2018 09: 49
        I will answer your comment with a joke: “But the men didn’t know.” ((((And everything.
    2. +2
      3 January 2018 18: 30
      Quote: Pirogov
      This is not treated, amputation is urgently needed, otherwise it will be worse .............

      ..... and preferably with blunt scissors what .... barely .... Yes ...no other way request
  3. +2
    3 January 2018 18: 11
    Well, this truth is not treated, I don’t even know what else should happen to them, so that they would start to think ..... "and not bullshit, do I create"?
    1. +3
      3 January 2018 18: 21
      Why think about it? You’ll get drunk and fed you ... And in time if something is fixed ... Do you know the Madhouse ..
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Well, this truth is not treated, I don’t even know what else should happen to them, so that they would start to think ..... "and not bullshit, do I create"?
  4. +7
    3 January 2018 18: 13
    Well, yes, yes ...
    Refused, exceeds, increased, independence, permafrost ... These mantras, they say, are healing ...
    Has life become easier for you, brothers?
    Not? Why so?
    1. +11
      3 January 2018 18: 43
      By and large, many settlements in Central Russia live without "their own gas" at all .. Maybe the "national treasure" will fork out for the gasification of its own citizens? Or does its own ego not allow it? It is clear that local authorities should do this. But are they either poor church mice, or everything is stolen before them ..
      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      Well, yes, yes ...
      Refused, exceeds, increased, independence, permafrost ... These mantras, they say, are healing ...
      Has life become easier for you, brothers?
      Not? Why so?
      1. +4
        3 January 2018 19: 04
        What do you choose: to pull gas per 1 km for 100 residents or 100 km for 1 resident? Why am I asking? And because in our region they planned gas pipelines to several settlements, but then they refused because they live in one case 5 people (2 houses), in another 3 people (2 houses), in 2 n.p. nobody lives at all (only summer residents from Nizhny, Kazan and Moscow in the summer). So dig deeper - demand the landing and execution of all gazpromovtsev, Lukozlitsy and others like them (well, this is the minimum, and choose the maximum yourself).
        1. +3
          3 January 2018 19: 32
          No need to dig deeper. Everything is on the surface. Example-Smolensk region, not the taiga, Gas pipelines here and there. The percentage of gasification is 70% .. This is the area through which transit to the West is carried out. What is the priority? Shoot the Gazprom men? hard workers and specialists who carry out their work .. It is necessary to shoot those who allowed all this in due time.
          Quote: mihey
          What do you choose: to pull gas per 1 km for 100 residents or 100 km for 1 resident? Why am I asking? And because in our region they planned gas pipelines to several settlements, but then they refused because they live in one case 5 people (2 houses), in another 3 people (2 houses), in 2 n.p. nobody lives at all (only summer residents from Nizhny, Kazan and Moscow in the summer). So dig deeper - demand the landing and execution of all gazpromovtsev, Lukozlitsy and others like them (well, this is the minimum, and choose the maximum yourself).
          1. +3
            3 January 2018 21: 17
            You probably don’t have a good idea of ​​how to refine gas to the end user: from the main gas pipeline (high pressure) to a conditional apartment or house (low pressure). Just don’t think that I justify the sale of gas abroad. I can expand your examples to unimaginable, to the extent that cities with a population of 100 inhabitants are still entirely coal-minded, although within a conditional walking distance of 000-3 pipelines passes.
            Until conditions are created for the development of the village, until the village leaves to work in regional centers, residents of regional centers - to the capitals of the regions, residents of the capitals of the regions - nothing will change in large cities with a population of over one million. It makes no sense to drag a pipe into a village that will die in 3-4 conditional years. Unfortunately, this is an objective reality.
            1. 0
              4 January 2018 06: 11
              Well, according to my position, I handed over the "Safety Rules for Gas Consumption and Gas Distribution Systems" once every three years .. So I know something .. Yes And for the fact that he will die in three or four years, try to explain by this 30% of non-gasified Smolyans. Yes and not only them. By the way, the share of gasification is higher.
              Quote: mihey
              You probably don’t have a good idea of ​​how to refine gas to the end user: from the main gas pipeline (high pressure) to a conditional apartment or house (low pressure). Just don’t think that I justify the sale of gas abroad. I can expand your examples to unimaginable, to the extent that cities with a population of 100 inhabitants are still entirely coal-minded, although within a conditional walking distance of 000-3 pipelines passes.
              Until conditions are created for the development of the village, until the village leaves to work in regional centers, residents of regional centers - to the capitals of the regions, residents of the capitals of the regions - nothing will change in large cities with a population of over one million. It makes no sense to drag a pipe into a village that will die in 3-4 conditional years. Unfortunately, this is an objective reality.
          2. 0
            3 January 2018 22: 30
            Quote: 210ox
            No need to dig deeper. Everything is on the surface. Example-Smolensk region, not the taiga, Gas pipelines here and there. The percentage of gasification is 70% .. This is the area through which transit to the West is carried out. What is the priority? Shoot the Gazprom men? hard workers and specialists who carry out their work .. It is necessary to shoot those who allowed all this in due time.
            Quote: mihey
            What do you choose: to pull gas per 1 km for 100 residents or 100 km for 1 resident? Why am I asking? And because in our region they planned gas pipelines to several settlements, but then they refused because they live in one case 5 people (2 houses), in another 3 people (2 houses), in 2 n.p. nobody lives at all (only summer residents from Nizhny, Kazan and Moscow in the summer). So dig deeper - demand the landing and execution of all gazpromovtsev, Lukozlitsy and others like them (well, this is the minimum, and choose the maximum yourself).

            I read a lot of your statements, and I think you know how to count. Then tell me, if selling gas to friendly Ukraine costs $ 210 per thousand cubic meters, and I have 5,42 per cubic meter in my receipt, what should I do with Gazprom so that he wants to drive the gas in the wrong direction? More recently, gas in the USSR generally cost 2 kopecks per cubic meter. Maybe that's why the degree of gasification was then 12%, and 70% today is an indisputable achievement?
            1. +1
              4 January 2018 06: 16
              I know how to count. 65% was at the end of the 80s. For some ten years in a socialist (I understand what you mean) country, they brought this level. I just do not take into account Siberia and the Far East. I will not say, but there rather, little has changed
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              Quote: 210ox
              No need to dig deeper. Everything is on the surface. Example-Smolensk region, not the taiga, Gas pipelines here and there. The percentage of gasification is 70% .. This is the area through which transit to the West is carried out. What is the priority? Shoot the Gazprom men? hard workers and specialists who carry out their work .. It is necessary to shoot those who allowed all this in due time.
              Quote: mihey
              What do you choose: to pull gas per 1 km for 100 residents or 100 km for 1 resident? Why am I asking? And because in our region they planned gas pipelines to several settlements, but then they refused because they live in one case 5 people (2 houses), in another 3 people (2 houses), in 2 n.p. nobody lives at all (only summer residents from Nizhny, Kazan and Moscow in the summer). So dig deeper - demand the landing and execution of all gazpromovtsev, Lukozlitsy and others like them (well, this is the minimum, and choose the maximum yourself).

              I read a lot of your statements, and I think you know how to count. Then tell me, if selling gas to friendly Ukraine costs $ 210 per thousand cubic meters, and I have 5,42 per cubic meter in my receipt, what should I do with Gazprom so that he wants to drive the gas in the wrong direction? More recently, gas in the USSR generally cost 2 kopecks per cubic meter. Maybe that's why the degree of gasification was then 12%, and 70% today is an indisputable achievement?
              1. 0
                7 January 2018 18: 13
                our Trans-Volga (Saratov) gasified from 1997 to 2002, the first houses were connected in 1999
          3. 0
            4 January 2018 07: 35
            Ask from the local authorities, not from Gazprom. His main business, the business of regional and local authorities — regional and local gas pipelines, connection to houses — is the business of the residents themselves and for their money. Under such a co-financing scheme, for example, a parental house and others were connected in a village in the Belgorod region. To whom earlier, to whom later (depending on money), but everyone was gasified. And no one has canceled the economy, neither under the Soviet regime, from which everyone demanded and which they profiled, nor under the capitalism, for which we voted and under which we now live.
        2. 0
          3 January 2018 22: 19
          Quote: mihey
          So dig deeper - demand the landing and execution of all the Gazproms, Lukozlitsy and others like them (well, this is the minimum, and choose the maximum yourself)

          So and to Gorbachev-Yeltsin and they can applaud with applause.
          If you still dig, then you can get to the bottom of them (the Gorbachev-Yeltsin) who gave birth. Not from the moon they fell.
  5. +7
    3 January 2018 18: 13
    For 768 days (the third winter), Ukraine has not imported gas for its needs from the Russian Federation.

    And Donbass coal bought under the brand of Pennsylvania from the United States laughing
    1. +8
      3 January 2018 18: 28
      I understand that the last "help" will be - a refusal to breathe the same air with Muscovites belay fool .
      And now I won’t even be surprised because "O Lord your wonderful deeds."
      1. +6
        3 January 2018 18: 44
        It looks like this and goes
        1. +4
          3 January 2018 19: 14
          Volodya, I welcome! Campaign, Sun and Moon, they have already blocked us. Six months is no longer visible. laughing
          1. +2
            3 January 2018 19: 40
            Happy New Year, Glory! I noticed that. And the snow is in short supply this winter wink
            1. 0
              3 January 2018 20: 54
              And also snow this winter in short supply wink
              So fools are lucky, for the fourth consecutive winter, "orphan" is coming. And we have it 100 km north of nezalezhnikov. Frost for 20 starting from the winter of 13-14. 2-3 weeks for all the time were. As the anticyclone from the Arctic (as in winter 2011) will lurk for a month, then all the "independence" will end.
  6. +3
    3 January 2018 18: 13
    Logic broke absolutely ... Direct evidence of parallel worlds.
  7. +4
    3 January 2018 18: 26
    Selyuki shavayut ... but in fact everyone knows whose gas
  8. +14
    3 January 2018 18: 28
    About forty years ago, I read fairy tales about the adventures of the merry man Hodge Nasruddin.
    Once, a brilliant thought came to Khoja Nasreddin. But what if I don’t feed the donkey today. In the morning he wakes up, the donkey is alive. I tried another day. And so for almost a week. And the next morning, the donkey died of hunger.
    Wow, Nasruddin lamented, almost taught the donkey not to eat, he almost had time.

    Morality. Only three years they have not taken gas. For a couple of years they will not take gas in Russia. they don’t need him anymore. There is no country, no industry, no population. Why the hell who needs gas.
    1. +1
      3 January 2018 18: 53
      will be, by force but they will ... their Swedes through the court ordered 5 lard to buy a year
      1. 0
        3 January 2018 23: 05
        Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
        obliged to buy 5 lard a year

        They will pay money! But take gas!?! No, there won’t be any change! ... Muscovite gas, very wrong ...
    2. +5
      3 January 2018 19: 18
      Sorry, I also read a book about Hodja Nasredinna. Something like that I don’t remember there. Khoja was very fond of his artiodactyl, affectionately calling him Gray.
      1. +4
        3 January 2018 21: 22
        Thank you, I will justify the trust. wink
        Glory, Happy New Year! drinks
      2. 0
        4 January 2018 13: 28
        sabakina Yesterday, 19:18 ↑ New
        Sorry, I also read a book about Hodja Nasredinna. Something like that I don’t remember there. Khoja was very fond of his artiodactyl, affectionately calling him Gray.

        So much tales have been written about him, all not to mention.
  9. +3
    3 January 2018 18: 31
    It’s high time to put these “freeloaders” off the pipe and plant them where they belong ...
  10. +5
    3 January 2018 18: 33
    They there, in Ukraine, do not know that "non-Russian" gas is the same Russian only at a double tariff from European friends.
  11. +8
    3 January 2018 18: 33
    the dough is unmeasured, overpay ... laughing uniquely ... wink
    1. +2
      3 January 2018 18: 36
      And how much dough is seized, cut and just stolen !!!! Two, not even two and a half paramogs!
  12. +6
    3 January 2018 18: 33
    Ukrainians in their repertoire boast of Gazprom’s success in sales growth in Europe. It is necessary for them to block the transit vintel after 19 years.
  13. +3
    3 January 2018 18: 35
    Kukuev sages are right !!! Gas was received from Europe, which Europe bought from Russia and, with allowances in its favor, sold to wise men from ukakaina!
    1. NKT
      +5
      3 January 2018 18: 41
      Well, we feel better, Europe pays on time.
      1. +4
        3 January 2018 18: 42
        This is so, otherwise you won’t get any money from rogues ... let it be better for them to pay ecuropeans regularly and in full. And then they themselves will triple the skin themselves from the rogues.
  14. +10
    3 January 2018 18: 39
    In Kiev, they stated that the country is doing without winter gas for the third winter


    This news is like this statistics:

    1. +11
      3 January 2018 18: 59
      anecdote to the topic:
      A son:
      - Old Man, tell me if it’s a kindness, hto these are Jews, and hto well..y, hto such
      Russians, but hto Muscovites, hto such Ukrainians, and hto such Ukrainians?
      - Father, ceasing to cut slices of bacon, looked at his son and said:
      - Jews, son, live in Israel. This is a heroic people for 60 years
      He fights for his statehood, has a strong army and wonderful divinities.
      Well, you son, they live in Ukraine. Drink our vodka, sleep with ours
      by the sorcerers, they buy our houses and try to build an independent Ukraine.

      - Russians, son, live in Russia - a huge country. Oil and
      gas, sell timber, build and cherish their statehood.
      And Muscovites, my son, these are the bastards, they live in Ukraine, they eat, they’re scum,
      our fat, they drink our vodka, seduce our girls and try
      to build an independent Ukraine.

      - Well, Ukrainians, my son, live in Ukraine, drink our vodka, eat ours
      fat, sleeping with our sabbaths and trying to build an independent Ukraine.
      And Ukrainians, son, live HERE at CANADA, and we eat Ukrainian fat, drink
      real, our, native vodka, we work tirelessly and look,
      as if these oaths of Ukrainians prevent Jews and Muscovites from building an independent Ukraine ...
  15. +2
    3 January 2018 18: 39
    Not yet evening! Time will tell!
  16. +1
    3 January 2018 18: 40
    Yes, it’s not a question, it remains to admit that the Earth is flat and Christ was from Lviv, the new reality is almost ready
    1. NKT
      +3
      3 January 2018 18: 58
      Everything has been done for a long time wink
    2. +4
      3 January 2018 19: 00
      Quote: polpot
      and not a question, it remains to recognize that the Earth is flat

      It's not a problem. The USA has already hosted the World Conference of Flat Earth Theory Supporters. I think that the broad ones will not lag behind them. They will also add that the Earth is on Three Whales. wink
      1. +2
        3 January 2018 21: 01
        Not, but Urodin is definitely flat!
  17. +2
    3 January 2018 18: 43
    Quote: Kent0001
    Ukrainians in their repertoire boast of Gazprom’s success in sales growth in Europe. It is necessary for them to block the transit vintel after 19 years.

    So they overpay! Denyushka will quickly end, and the Poles rub their hands and laugh over Kiev fools! fool
  18. +8
    3 January 2018 18: 44
    For the third winter, the country of Dill dispensed with Russian pipe gas, but at the same time overpayed Geyrope for the same Russian gas at around 265 million green per year. This is of course the top of the steepness, which can only be loudly laughed at.
    1. +8
      3 January 2018 19: 17
      Quote: Egorovich
      For the third winter, the country of Dill dispensed with Russian pipe gas, but at the same time overpayed Geyrope for the same Russian gas at around 265 million green per year. This is of course the top of the steepness, which can only be loudly laughed at.

      No ... it’s a pity for ordinary Ukrainians (not horses), who, from their already small pockets, pay the EU for the same Russian gas for the third winter. At the same time, Kiev litter their brains with statements that the gas is not Muscovites, but tolerant democratic gas from Of Europe.
      1. +11
        3 January 2018 20: 54
        At first I felt sorry for them, too, but lately I have become completely indifferent and even disdain for them. It’s because they themselves are to blame for all this by choosing this power. And most importantly, they betrayed their grandfathers and fathers, becoming worshipers of traitors. They deserve it.
  19. +6
    3 January 2018 18: 49
    Ukraine stopped purchasing gas from Russia in November 2015 and in 2016-2017 did not use Russian fuel in preparation for the heating season
    no need to stop there! give a five-year plan !!! laughing
  20. +2
    3 January 2018 18: 51
    According to the results of 2017, Ukraine increased gas imports from Europe by 26,8%, to 14,1 billion cubic meters, while for the third winter the country does without Russian natural fuel

    Yeah, but in a geyropa, does gas multiply by budding? fool
    Not only is the gas the same, Russian, but you have to pay extra margin to the geyropei "holders" of gas, and not just its cost. Moreover, gas Urkaine came at a substantial discount when she took it from Russia. Now you have to forget about the discount, and even pay the "interest" of Europeans.
    When the Gods decided to punish Urkain, they deprived the mind of almost all of its inhabitants, especially those in power. Yes laughing
    No, theoretically, Urkaina can live without third-party gas, how much they produce it there. That's just for this you have to stop ALL industrial production, then the population may have enough of their own.
    The truth about the industrial country, Ukraine will have to forget, and forever. Yes
  21. +1
    3 January 2018 19: 07
    Do we still pay Bandera for transit?
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  23. +4
    3 January 2018 19: 09
    "In Kiev, they said that the country is doing without Russian gas for the third winter"

    Why so frankly lie.
    404 buys reverse (the same Russian) gas, only at inflated prices.
    That’s all the help (or was it a zrad) ?! laughing
    1. +5
      3 January 2018 19: 17
      Quote: Lenivets2
      That’s all the help (or was it a zrad) ?!

      Everything mixed up in the Oblonsky house ... wink
  24. +5
    3 January 2018 19: 14
    For 768 days (the third winter), Ukraine has not imported gas for its needs from the Russian Federation. During this period, including 2017, gas volumes came exclusively from the EU countries.

    That is, reverse Russian gas from the EU is not Russian gas produced? wassat
    1. +2
      3 January 2018 19: 20
      Quote: NEXUS
      That is, reverse Russian gas from the EU is not Russian gas produced? wassat

      This is gas that has gone through chandelier! Gas that burns without fail! lol
    2. +1
      3 January 2018 21: 44
      Quote: NEXUS
      That is, reverse Russian gas from the EU is not Russian gas produced?

      You think Andryukha politically. There, in distant Slovenia, Turkmen is separated from ours. The Russian occupation moves to Europe, and the Turkmen straight to the GTS of Great Ukraine drinks
  25. +1
    3 January 2018 19: 40
    Ukraine produces its gas in excess, if we take into account the needs of the population. Industry is another calico. The population bugs at world prices due to the fact that the Gavnomites-oligarchs need to burn more.
  26. +3
    3 January 2018 19: 52
    Still do not use your gas ONLY.

    Since the beginning of official capitalism, the exit of Ukraine from the USSR, the country's population has decreased by exactly 50%.

    Socialism may not be ideal but viable. Capitalism, and especially its liberal form, is dangerous for everyone.
  27. +4
    3 January 2018 19: 54
    The national mentality accumulated over the centuries, which cannot be cured and cannot be changed in time and space, however: "I will not take anything cheap from the hands of a neighbor"; "I’ll not eat it myself, but I’m biting it;" at least with a poker, but closer to the stove "and a lot of other things, from which" my breath was stolen in my goiter. "
    1. 0
      4 January 2018 00: 19
      No need to talk about centuries. Talk about the last 15-25 years.
      Selfishness, he will be brought up on lies. Illusions of self-worth.
  28. +4
    3 January 2018 20: 03
    "In Kiev, they said that the country does without Russian gas for the third winter"
    Is that ... a hint that the tires are still in bulk? fellow
  29. +2
    3 January 2018 20: 04
    No, what kind of freaks ... They were told that the gas from Slovakia is not Russian - and they believe! Did Slovakia learn to produce gas?
  30. +3
    3 January 2018 20: 09
    Yes, these will go down in history, for such a light has not yet been seen. About how: Russian gas passing through the territory of 404 is already becoming "Ukrainian". Accordingly, Russian gas from Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia is also changing its nationality. No, this is incurable. And, yes: I don’t feel sorry for ordinary Ukrainians (well, except for LDNR). They fought for what they got for. And it doesn’t matter if you rode on the Maidan, or quietly ate fat at home, staring at the TV. Everyone turned into nonhumans along the way. It’s not a pity from the word “completely”. Even if everyone rests there. "Die, bury!" (from)
  31. +1
    3 January 2018 20: 22
    The statement is designed for IDIOTS, for whom Kiev authorities are holding their fellow citizens! laughing
  32. +1
    3 January 2018 20: 23
    boo-ha-ga. Doesn’t use gas from the Russian Federation and where does it come from, but is it and more expensive ??? Germany is a major gas producer, together with Poland and the Slovachina. Svidomo is unlikely to believe in such nonsense ... glory to the Central European kickbacks. Here are the rams.
  33. 0
    3 January 2018 20: 24
    At first I was a little surprised - something was wrong. The entire transit GTS is built on the principle of one-way pumping. In order to pump in the opposite direction, you must first stop the gas supply, equalize the pressure to atmospheric and create a pressure drop in the opposite direction. Expensive, troublesome, and if the project was not provided for immediately, then it is not possible. Question how to take? Yes, it is easy --- they pour gas directly on the territory of Ukraine, from the volumes chartered to a specific European country and divide the profits. And the gas wrap is compensated by the population and enterprises. Something like this.
  34. +4
    3 January 2018 20: 49
    At least one week without news from Ukraine ...
    1. +1
      3 January 2018 20: 59
      Ukrainians they are obsessive, be sure to offer something, or say.
      1. +3
        3 January 2018 21: 20
        Or they will sing or paint something. lol
    2. +3
      3 January 2018 21: 19
      You can’t ... Then the yellow-cyanotic will trend for a week that they won the information war! laughing lol
      1. +1
        3 January 2018 21: 25
        Yes, and so they only defeated them and listen and laugh.
  35. +4
    3 January 2018 20: 50
    Quote: lexus
    It’s high time to put these “freeloaders” off the pipe and plant them where they belong ...

    this is how "dispensing with Russian gas" dill .... pumped transit quietly
    1. +4
      3 January 2018 21: 31
      Your Honor, how much "shines" for me for premeditated murder?
      Until 10 years of strict, and who is going to bang?
      Mother-in-law!
      If you grab mine as well - two years probation.
      Anecdote if that wink
      1. +4
        3 January 2018 21: 39
        I welcome again hi .... you have to bang the one who sits near the pipe in the photo, and others like him .... otherwise we are like in a song: don’t stand by my window, don’t pick putty, shake your snot on your fist .. that's not right, and behold it is not so. "... when is it already that we’ll beat off the hands of the fennel?
        1. +4
          3 January 2018 21: 54
          bang it is necessary that who in a photo near a pipe sits

          Nizya, it must be transferred to the hands of justice, and so that the prosecutor is experienced.
          1. +4
            3 January 2018 22: 00
            her, I ran around the earth, trotted ... I would bring this rabbit to Russia ...
            1. +4
              3 January 2018 22: 14
              And "gobble up" with all the judicial diligence! am I am for arms, legs and mustache. good
              1. +4
                3 January 2018 22: 21
                and what to eat? to grab for all the places tanned and shake .... these, Gram inhabitants for hryvnias in their pants nass ... they write .... and if the egg is empty, then he will hang himself
                1. +5
                  3 January 2018 22: 34
                  No, such a thing has already been left to chance, now only by law. And tanned places will still fall into the hands of justice. If before that they will be annihilated - it’s also good, the court has less work.
                  Threat My cat in the hands of justice to give. This bastard, passing through the laptop, manages to turn the screen, and I scratch turnip - how to turn this disgrace back.
                  1. +4
                    3 January 2018 22: 36
                    like laughing .... just figured out that this beauty paws laughing
                    1. +5
                      3 January 2018 23: 07
                      I already waved my hand at this hooligan. The feathered creature does even better, even writes comments for me. good lol
                      1. +4
                        3 January 2018 23: 13
                        remaking Sharikov, I’ll say: well, I don’t understand, owls are useful animals laughing
                    2. +4
                      3 January 2018 23: 45
                      Start with a couple of owls, one of my chicks, as if I’ll take it.
                2. +5
                  3 January 2018 23: 24
                  useful owls animals

                  So I'm not against this statement, but only until I have a piece of chicken neck that she didn’t like on the top of my head. I am severe in anger - she still did not answer me for gatherings on my belly. Have you ever stuck a couple of forks in your belly?
                  1. +4
                    3 January 2018 23: 28
                    happened Yes ... he said that not one wounded predatory came out ... if it weren’t for work, he would have started someone, so to speak, on a regular basis ... I like them, what can you do ...
  36. 0
    3 January 2018 20: 59
    Yes! They get from Mars.
  37. +1
    3 January 2018 21: 00
    This is called so: "I will buy a tram ticket to the conductor, and I will go on foot."
  38. 0
    3 January 2018 21: 07
    Still do not recognize the reverse gas Russian? Oh well...
    Well, those casseroles will eat it all up.
    Even if Ukraine will mine it on the moon.
  39. +3
    3 January 2018 21: 14
    And now it seems to me that Ukrainians are being blamed for nothing: they discovered a brilliant way to use gas without receiving it! laughing And the secret is, to the ugliness, simple: it’s enough just not to call the gas used Russian! Yes This discovery pulls at least the Nobel Prize! lol Well, or at least to obtain a patent and perpetuate the memory of it by renaming Ukraine to VRUanda! laughing laughing wassat

    Ps: however, I have not yet decided on the name: perhaps Urvanda will still be more accurate.
  40. +1
    3 January 2018 21: 19
    I recalled this:
  41. +5
    3 January 2018 21: 53
    Quote: Alex20042004
    I recalled this:

    and speech: we are on the bottom of the hair with the pliers of the dergaly,
    whatever you dill, even though we didn’t steal
    and broads, quit the free trade agreement of the 15th year, with the wording "copyright infringement"
  42. +1
    3 January 2018 21: 54
    Well, yes, it does ... She buys it from the great gas power of Slovakia ...)
  43. 0
    3 January 2018 22: 05
    I wonder what gas they use?
  44. 0
    3 January 2018 22: 24
    Explain to me what is a gas reverse in a pipe with a one-way pumping direction and with the absence of a second pipe in the opposite direction?
    1. NKT
      0
      3 January 2018 22: 49
      This is a virtual reverse, and so simple is the selection of the agreed volumes of gas from the transit pipe. Actually - unauthorized selection, since gas has not yet crossed the border and it is the property of Gazprom.
    2. 0
      3 January 2018 23: 23
      At first I was a little surprised - something was wrong. The entire transit GTS is built on the principle of one-way pumping. In order to pump in the opposite direction, you must first stop the gas supply, equalize the pressure to atmospheric and create a pressure drop in the opposite direction. Expensive, troublesome, and if the project was not provided for immediately, then it is not possible. Question how to take? Yes, it is easy --- they pour gas directly on the territory of Ukraine, from the volumes chartered to a specific European country and divide the profits. And the gas wrap is compensated by the population and enterprises. Something like this.
    3. 0
      3 January 2018 23: 34
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      Explain to me what is a gas reverse in a pipe with a one-way pumping direction and with the absence of a second pipe in the opposite direction?

      But the point is not whether there are gadgets on the pipe that look like a complex interchange of vehicles in a megalopolis. You can twist and set a bunch of valves that can direct. Install additional check valves, which in total will direct at least to where, including back. The question is not in this hardware. The question is where to get the gas where I pumped some time ago? I downloaded it to Poland, they spent it there, and someone should start to download the leftovers back. That is the problem. And, at the same time, also be able to cough up. Perhaps here Confucius himself will break his head.
      1. NKT
        +2
        4 January 2018 08: 20
        Nobody shakes anywhere.

        Slovakia, for example, receives 10 billion cubic meters of gas from Gazprom. Its transfer point is Gazprom-> Slovakia on the Ukraine-Slovakia border.

        Ukraine agrees with Slovakia on 4 billion m3 of gas and takes the agreed volumes from a transit pipe. Then, when adjusting the results, Slovakia keeps these 4 billion in mind and confirms the receipt of 10 billion m3 from Gazprom, and in fact only 6 billion .. m3.

        Reverse - contrary to the contract. But The Hague, in its decision, recognized this clause of the contract as invalid.

        Ukraine takes Gazprom gas because it does not cross the Ukraine-Slovakia border. There is a banal theft of gas at which the "democratic" Europe is looking through the fingers.
  45. 0
    3 January 2018 22: 38
    And the fourth without a brain.
  46. +1
    3 January 2018 22: 42
    Quote: INVESTOR
    Namely, the political will of our leadership

    Which one? This one?

    ... have to be torn between the three countries ... wassat
    1. 0
      3 January 2018 22: 58
      Quote: Radikal
      ... have to be torn between the three countries ...

      For which I do not like the Communists so much for their lies and hypocrisy.
      Well, tell us about the granddaughter and great-grandson of a friend of Stalin Budyonny?
  47. +1
    3 January 2018 22: 45
    The peas freaked out.
    1. 0
      3 January 2018 23: 08
      The basis of the energy security of Svidomo - Kizyagorodov
  48. 0
    3 January 2018 23: 02
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    Quote: Radikal
    ... have to be torn between the three countries ...

    For which I do not like the Communists so much for their lies and hypocrisy.
    Well, tell us about the granddaughter and great-grandson of a friend of Stalin Budyonny?

    Oh how hurt! Be sure to tell about all - we will not forget anyone! You especially! wassat Just tell me what kind of aircraft on your avatar, and whose identification marks on it, did not make out - became weak eyes. laughing tongue
  49. 0
    3 January 2018 23: 05
    And all thanks to unprecedented legume crops
  50. 0
    4 January 2018 01: 03
    Of course, it doesn’t use it, because Russian gas purchased from Europe, although more expensive, is still European and it warms their dill soul!
  51. +1
    4 January 2018 01: 10
    Yes, it’s just that there used to be production that needed gas.
    And the population. Frankly speaking, it did not save gas on the farm.
    And the population itself was larger, yes.
    But now everything has simply settled down: unnecessary production has been closed.
    territories with populations fell away. Well, after the gas price increases
    the remaining population began to treat him more carefully.
  52. 0
    4 January 2018 01: 38
    Here, along the way, our base in Syria was probably shelled - the information is not accurate, they talk about four destroyed Su 24 and two Su 35, An 72 and a destroyed warehouse.
    1. +1
      4 January 2018 03: 52
      Where does the data come from?
      I dug around, Kommersant and Svoboda, one on one, accurate to the millimeter
      1. 0
        4 January 2018 10: 33
        But unfortunately, there was shelling - two of our servicemen were killed.
  53. 0
    4 January 2018 03: 23
    Ukraine stopped buying gas from Russia in November of 2015, and in 2016-2017 did not use Russian fuel in preparation for the heating season.

  54. 0
    4 January 2018 04: 42
    An anecdote from the series - “I’ll take a ticket, to spite the conductor, and go on foot”!!! Who are these suppliers? - EU scammers. Pure bastards.
  55. 0
    4 January 2018 05: 21
    Quote: mihey
    I can expand your examples to the unimaginable, to the point that cities with a population of under 100 inhabitants are still entirely dependent on coal, although there are 000-3 strings of main gas pipelines within walking distance.
    Until conditions are created for the development of the village, until the village leaves to work in regional centers, residents of regional centers - to the capitals of the regions, residents of the capitals of the regions - nothing will change in large cities with a population of over one million. It makes no sense to drag a pipe into a village that will die in 3-4 conditional years. Unfortunately, this is an objective reality.

    Wow, dying villages with a population of under 100! And you predict their death in 000-3 years? How scary to live!
  56. 0
    4 January 2018 05: 39
    Use your tongue, don’t move the bags... After the statements that the Ukrainians allegedly ruled Egypt and dug up the Black Sea, filling up the Caucasus Mountains, these are just trifles...
  57. +2
    4 January 2018 06: 16
    "What's going on with the crests?" (With)
    In general, choke. You need to look at your worries/problems, and not look over the fence to your neighbors every minute, looking for something to get to the bottom of. They themselves are not much better.
  58. 0
    4 January 2018 07: 11
    it's boring here. Here on the censor my brain explodes from the break in the pattern. everyone unanimously campaigns for.. for.. in short, it doesn’t matter and immediately boast about the severance of economic relations with Muscovites and at the same time criticize the government for ruining the last remnants of the economy... and sing lalala... and do not want to believe that it was the gas that grew through the gasket of an intermediary ...sometimes someone runs through the thread and tells an alternative and that they are out of touch with reality... about the dynamics of the hryvnia / ruble, the bridge, the North Stream ... they immediately kick him for being unpatriotic ... funny in short
  59. 0
    4 January 2018 11: 40
    Cattle are raised and their waste is processed! The same dung or the same methane))
  60. +1
    4 January 2018 14: 03
    Let's be happy for Ukraine. And for our Gazprom, and also for Poland and Slovakia; know how to make money on our gazeya
  61. 0
    4 January 2018 17: 58
    again a lie! They bought gas from Europe, no doubt, but where does Europe buy it??? Isn’t it a coincidence that in the Russian Federation? You have too little gas of your own. I don’t understand, do people in Ukraine really believe in this nonsense. About European gas???
  62. +2
    4 January 2018 19: 20
    Quote: mihey
    You probably don’t have a good idea of ​​how to refine gas to the end user: from the main gas pipeline (high pressure) to a conditional apartment or house (low pressure). Just don’t think that I justify the sale of gas abroad. I can expand your examples to unimaginable, to the extent that cities with a population of 100 inhabitants are still entirely coal-minded, although within a conditional walking distance of 000-3 pipelines passes.
    Until conditions are created for the development of the village, until the village leaves to work in regional centers, residents of regional centers - to the capitals of the regions, residents of the capitals of the regions - nothing will change in large cities with a population of over one million. It makes no sense to drag a pipe into a village that will die in 3-4 conditional years. Unfortunately, this is an objective reality.

    But Crimea is yours!
  63. 0
    4 January 2018 19: 23
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: INVESTOR
    Namely, the political will of our leadership

    Which one? This one?

    ... have to be torn between the three countries ... wassat

    Between four.
  64. +1
    5 January 2018 14: 34
    I see the world is too complicated for some... I’ll try to explain it with my fingers.
    Buying gas directly from Russia means constantly being held hostage by a situation (even within the framework of signed agreements), constantly risking that Russia will use the gas tap as an element of pressure.
    Buying gas in Europe is just buying gas. Just pay and receive, and sleep peacefully.
    Is it clear now? For those who don’t, write to me and I’ll explain it even more simply.
    P.S. And everyone understands perfectly well that this is Russian gas.
    P.P.S. And don’t care about overpayment. It's worth it.
    1. 0
      5 January 2018 14: 53
      Quote: Uxus
      I see the world is too complicated for some... I’ll try to explain it with my fingers.
      Buying gas directly from Russia means constantly being held hostage by a situation (even within the framework of signed agreements), constantly risking that Russia will use the gas tap as an element of pressure.
      Buying gas in Europe is just buying gas. Just pay and receive, and sleep peacefully.
      Is it clear now? For those who don’t, write to me and I’ll explain it even more simply.
      P.S. And everyone understands perfectly well that this is Russian gas.
      P.P.S. And don’t care about overpayment. It's worth it.

      Who told you that gas from Europe goes to Ukraine without questions or delays? Didn’t they tell you that they stopped supplying gas from Slovakia? Czechs ask questions. Hungarians. New agreements with European “friends” provide for bans on reverse. And the volumes are set in such a way as to limit speculation in Russian gas.
      1. +2
        5 January 2018 15: 09
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        Who told you that gas from Europe goes to Ukraine without questions or delays?

        Did someone tell you that there were delays?
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        Didn’t they tell you that they stopped supplying gas from Slovakia? Czechs ask questions. Hungarians

        What about gas? Is there no gas in Ukraine?
        I need to ask my mother-in-law.
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        New agreements with European “friends” provide for bans on reverse.

        You cannot ban reverse, since Europe does not trade Russian gas.
        When crossing the border, he ceases to be Russian request
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        And the volumes are set in such a way as to limit speculation in Russian gas.

        The buyer sets the volumes; in addition, Russian gas does not exceed 30% of the total volume of gas used by Europe.
        1. 0
          5 January 2018 15: 58
          Quote: karish
          Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
          Who told you that gas from Europe goes to Ukraine without questions or delays?

          Did someone tell you that there were delays?
          Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
          Didn’t they tell you that they stopped supplying gas from Slovakia? Czechs ask questions. Hungarians

          What about gas? Is there no gas in Ukraine?
          I need to ask my mother-in-law.
          Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
          New agreements with European “friends” provide for bans on reverse.

          You cannot ban reverse, since Europe does not trade Russian gas.
          When crossing the border, he ceases to be Russian request
          Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
          And the volumes are set in such a way as to limit speculation in Russian gas.

          The buyer sets the volumes; in addition, Russian gas does not exceed 30% of the total volume of gas used by Europe.

          While the old agreements are in force, the gas was and remains Russian, passing through transit countries. Gas will go to Turkey under new conditions, and in Turkey it will become Turkish.
          There is gas in Ukraine. But soon it won't. Both transit and possibly for Ukraine. Have they already learned to do without Russian gas? Let's wish them success in this matter.
          The Slovaks don’t go away either, they don’t pay, they turn off the reverse.

          http://tass.ru/ekonomika/4833693
          1. +1
            5 January 2018 16: 31
            Well, let it be your way)) Be patient a little longer and it will be the end of Ukraine))
            1. 0
              5 January 2018 17: 45
              Quote: Uxus
              Well, let it be your way)) Be patient a little longer and it will be the end of Ukraine))

              Yes, you are mistaken. I feel sorry for you. Moreover, there are many friends there. Severodonetsk, Kyiv, Lugansk, Donetsk, Druzhkovka. I've been there a lot on business trips. But we weren’t the ones who started jumping, were we? Or I'm wrong? I'm waiting for this foam to go away.
              1. 0
                9 January 2018 13: 31
                Nooo, of course not you, nooo...
          2. +1
            5 January 2018 18: 44
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            While the old agreements are in force, the gas was and remains Russian, passing through transit countries.

            Well, why waste your tongue?
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            . Gas will go to Turkey under new conditions, and in Turkey it will become Turkish

            What does Türkiye have to do with it? (I mean your previous post)

            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            There is gas in Ukraine. But soon it won't.

            Why did you decide so?
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            Both transit and possibly for Ukraine. Have they already learned to do without Russian gas? Let's wish them success in this matter.

            What? Is it because the frost should have frozen and fallen apart 3 years ago?
            I have been hearing these horror stories on TV (Russian) for more than 3 years.
            Not tired?
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            The Slovaks don’t go away either, they don’t pay, they turn off the reverse.

            What is it for? request
            1. 0
              5 January 2018 20: 37
              Quote: karish
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              While the old agreements are in force, the gas was and remains Russian, passing through transit countries.

              Well, why waste your tongue?
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              . Gas will go to Turkey under new conditions, and in Turkey it will become Turkish

              What does Türkiye have to do with it? (I mean your previous post)

              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              There is gas in Ukraine. But soon it won't.

              Why did you decide so?
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              Both transit and possibly for Ukraine. Have they already learned to do without Russian gas? Let's wish them success in this matter.

              What? Is it because the frost should have frozen and fallen apart 3 years ago?
              I have been hearing these horror stories on TV (Russian) for more than 3 years.
              Not tired?
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              The Slovaks don’t go away either, they don’t pay, they turn off the reverse.

              What is it for? request

              The body does not die immediately. Both living and structure, with the name state. The situation with the existence of the population in 2014 and now. Solid victories.
              Ukrainians themselves refuse Russian gas. Read Poroshenko’s enthusiasm about this. So send your grievances to them. It’s not us who are fighting with them, it’s him who is fighting with us. Which I am incredibly surprised by. It's a shame they didn't keep their promise. The abscess would have been opened THEN.
              https://topwar.ru/133203-na-ukraine-rasskazali-o-
              planah-vzorvat-rossiyskiy-gazoprovod.html
              1. +2
                5 January 2018 20: 56
                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                The body does not die immediately. Both living and structure, with the name state.

                I agree, the USSR lasted 70 years.
                But the thing is that I hear tales about the death of Ukraine, Imperialism, the USA almost every day.

                Let's talk about the facts.

                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                The situation with the existence of the population in 2014 and now. Solid victories.

                There are few victories, but it’s like they didn’t die either.
                Someone began to live poorly.
                Life has become bad in Ukraine, but in Russia? Since 2014?

                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                Ukrainians themselves refuse Russian gas. Read Poroshenko’s enthusiasm about this.

                Yes, people don’t care whose gas is on tap, as long as it’s without interruptions and cheaper, the question is different - why Poroshenko refuses - it’s understandable, but are you personally worried about this? Or are you in favor of supplying Russian gas to the Ukrainian junta? wink
                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                We are not at war with them - he is with us

                Are you a resident of the DPR?
                1. 0
                  5 January 2018 21: 32
                  Quote: karish
                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  The body does not die immediately. Both living and structure, with the name state.

                  I agree, the USSR lasted 70 years.
                  But the thing is that I hear tales about the death of Ukraine, Imperialism, the USA almost every day.

                  Let's talk about the facts.

                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  The situation with the existence of the population in 2014 and now. Solid victories.

                  There are few victories, but it’s like they didn’t die either.
                  Someone began to live poorly.
                  Life has become bad in Ukraine, but in Russia? Since 2014?

                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  Ukrainians themselves refuse Russian gas. Read Poroshenko’s enthusiasm about this.

                  Yes, people don’t care whose gas is on tap, as long as it’s without interruptions and cheaper, the question is different - why Poroshenko refuses - it’s understandable, but are you personally worried about this? Or are you in favor of supplying Russian gas to the Ukrainian junta? wink
                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  We are not at war with them - he is with us

                  Are you a resident of the DPR?

                  I am Russian and live in the Penza region. In the village. From 1969 to 1990 - designer. Then escape from the war from Tajikistan. Here I changed my profession for the third time and for 11 years before retirement I became an instrumentation and automation engineer at a poultry farm.
                  "Some have become worse off." Some. Up to 20 million took off and rushed off, some to Russia, some to the EU. Friends THERE have not only had their standard of living decreased, their pensions are being cut, they are already paying up to 2 times less. This is with inflation three times over three years. Housing and communal services are almost everything that is brought in as pensions.
                  You - “Some have become” .... Sounds mocking and blasphemous. It's like you're happy about something.
                  1. +2
                    5 January 2018 21: 46
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    I am Russian and live in the Penza region. In the village

                    Great, I am a citizen of Russia - I live in Israel. request
                    .
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    Here I changed my profession for the third time and for 11 years before retirement I became an instrumentation and automation engineer at a poultry farm.

                    That's good, but why not? Our behavior is determined by reality.
                    Upon arrival in Israel, he worked as a loader for 4 months. Carrying a piano (and more)
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    "Some have become worse off." Some. Up to 20 million took off and rushed off, some to Russia, some to the EU.

                    Did 20 million flee from Ukraine?
                    I think you are exaggerating, my mother-in-law is in Kyiv, I go there twice a year.
                    By the way, were your children (I think) born in Tajikistan?
                    Did they leave with you? Why so? Tajikistan seems to be their homeland, or did they start looking for somewhere better?
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    . TAM’s friends have not only had their standard of living decreased, their pensions are being cut, they are already paying up to 2 times less

                    I know we regularly help my wife’s parents.
                    But what do you have to do with it?
                    What about in Tajikistan? Are there any friends left? How is their standard of living without war?
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    You - “Some have become” .... Sounds mocking and blasphemous. It's like you're happy about something.

                    No, a statement of fact, some people began to live worse,
                    Do you want me to say --- everything?
                    Of course, I just, as a normal person, cannot say - I understand everything - not everything.
                    Well (by the way, this is such a booze-fest) - having quite a large number of friends in Russia (and myself visiting it once every 2-3 years) - I will say that all my friends have begun to live worse, and what about yours?
                    1. 0
                      5 January 2018 22: 31
                      Quote: karish
                      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                      I am Russian and live in the Penza region. In the village

                      Great, I am a citizen of Russia - I live in Israel. request
                      .
                      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                      Here I changed my profession for the third time and for 11 years before retirement I became an instrumentation and automation engineer at a poultry farm.

                      That's good, but why not? Our behavior is determined by reality.
                      Upon arrival in Israel, he worked as a loader for 4 months. Carrying a piano (and more)
                      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                      "Some have become worse off." Some. Up to 20 million took off and rushed off, some to Russia, some to the EU.

                      Did 20 million flee from Ukraine?
                      I think you are exaggerating, my mother-in-law is in Kyiv, I go there twice a year.
                      By the way, were your children (I think) born in Tajikistan?
                      Did they leave with you? Why so? Tajikistan seems to be their homeland, or did they start looking for somewhere better?
                      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                      . TAM’s friends have not only had their standard of living decreased, their pensions are being cut, they are already paying up to 2 times less

                      I know we regularly help my wife’s parents.
                      But what do you have to do with it?
                      What about in Tajikistan? Are there any friends left? How is their standard of living without war?
                      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                      You - “Some have become” .... Sounds mocking and blasphemous. It's like you're happy about something.

                      No, a statement of fact, some people began to live worse,
                      Do you want me to say --- everything?
                      Of course, I just, as a normal person, cannot say - I understand everything - not everything.
                      Well (by the way, this is such a booze-fest) - having quite a large number of friends in Russia (and myself visiting it once every 2-3 years) - I will say that all my friends have begun to live worse, and what about yours?

                      Russia is my homeland. Siberia before 1984. Tajikistan - forced resettlement according to doctors' testimony for my wife. Dushanbe - 7 years.
                      The 20 million Ukrainians who left are not my numbers. About 5 in Russia alone. On earnings. But in the EU, earnings are higher, and it’s more attractive to make money there. 2,5 million went with Crimea, count 7 million went with Donbass. Let them count for themselves how many there are in Poland. So, 20 is still not enough.
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                        5 January 2018 22: 41
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        Russia is my homeland. Siberia before 1984

                        Your Motherland ---USSR--- fifteen republics - 15 sisters.
                        Otherwise, how did you end up in Tajikistan? Labor migrant? wink

                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        Tajikistan - forced resettlement according to doctors' testimony to my wife

                        I understand, I hope your wife is in good health after so many years, despite her return (after 40 years) to Russia.
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        The 20 million Ukrainians who left are not my numbers.

                        No doubt.
                        because this is an outright lie.
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        About 5 in Russia alone. On earnings.

                        Okay, but this does not cancel their Ukrainian citizenship - do you know how many Russians are abroad? What about Tajiks?
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        2,5 million left with Crimea

                        what does it have to do with it? belay
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        count, 7 million went with Donbass.

                        , why not 77?
                        Do you draw numbers for yourself?
                        At the best of times, 4 million lived there, and this is not even in the DPR, LPR
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        . Let them count for themselves how many there are in Poland. So, 20 is still not enough.

                        Well, draw 200 at once and live in peace laughing
                        By the way, you still haven’t answered any of the questions I voiced, some kind of monologue with a deaf person hi
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                        9 January 2018 13: 33
                        Numbers from the ceiling. Simply unreal.
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                  5 January 2018 22: 24
                  Quote: karish

                  Are you a resident of the DPR?


                  https://topwar.ru/133203-na-ukraine-rasskazali-o-
                  planah-vzorvat-rossiyskiy-gazoprovod.html
                  Cheer for them. Insane. Maybe you will look at them differently.
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                    5 January 2018 23: 26
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    Quote: karish

                    Are you a resident of the DPR?


                    https://topwar.ru/133203-na-ukraine-rasskazali-o-
                    planah-vzorvat-rossiyskiy-gazoprovod.html
                    Cheer for them. Insane. Maybe you will look at them differently.

                    I'm not going to root for anyone.
                    I have little doubt about the inadequacy of them and the other side of the conflict.
                    Nevertheless, let’s go down from the higher spheres (world geopolitics - to which neither you nor I have any relation or any influence) - It would be better for you not to worry about gas in Ukraine, but to answer some questions addressed to you personally .
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                    9 January 2018 13: 35
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    Quote: karish

                    Are you a resident of the DPR?


                    https://topwar.ru/133203-na-ukraine-rasskazali-o-
                    planah-vzorvat-rossiyskiy-gazoprovod.html
                    Cheer for them. Insane. Maybe you will look at them differently.

                    Look at the date when they thought about it.
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          5 January 2018 16: 29
          karish Brilliant! good I’m just afraid they won’t hear it anyway))
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        5 January 2018 16: 27
        Proofs? Do they provide for contracts?)) Already signed? What is speculation?
        Russia is no longer a monopolist, so go easy on the contracts)))
        A holy place is never empty))
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          5 January 2018 17: 20
          Quote: Uxus
          A holy place is never empty...

          ... it’s bad - three times.

          And where did you actually get the idea that your place is sacred?
          Apart from hemorrhoids of the soul and in the wallet, there is no particular benefit from it request

          IMHO, yes.
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            5 January 2018 17: 59
            Not ours, but Gazprom's. Let yourself go))
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              5 January 2018 18: 50
              Quote: Uxus
              Not ours, but Gazprom's

              Gazprom, as far as I know, has many different other “places”.
              You only have the same thing that was discussed above... I think it’s called Ukraine, no?
              Quote: Uxus
              Let yourself go

              Yes, I don't bother. Animals amuse me, keep... frolicking.
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                9 January 2018 13: 39
                http://www.bbc.com/russian/features-40252040
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    7 January 2018 09: 55
    For 768 days already (the third winter) Ukraine has not imported gas for its needs from the Russian Federation. During this period, including 2017, gas volumes came exclusively from EU countries. Total this year (2017) from Slovak, Hungarian and Polish destinations

    After Ukraine stopped buying gas from Russia, natural gas production from Eastern European countries increased sharply, these are miracles. Maybe they will stop buying oil from Arabs and oil will appear in Europe???))))