In the Russian defense industry began to operate new pricing rules

New rules of state regulation of prices for products supplied by the state defense order (GOZ), began to operate in Russia from January 1 2018, transmits TASS.

A single procedure has been established for determining the prices of products supplied within the framework of the state defense order. At the same time, uniform rules are introduced for determining prices for both samples of weapons of military expertise (weapons, military and special equipment), and for products required for their production and delivered as part of the cooperation of the principal executor,

states the explanatory note to the government resolution.

These rules imply "the priority of using information on market prices for products, if it is circulated in the relevant markets, using competitive methods for identifying suppliers."

At the same time, "prices for products that are supplied by a single supplier should be determined on the basis of an extended index approach." Such an approach provides for “fixing base prices for armaments and equipment for at least six years,” and they should not be revised annually, but only refined for the deflator index “approved in the prescribed manner” from the document.

It is noted that the new approach “will allow to get away from the cost-based pricing principle and will stimulate the defense industry to reduce production costs, introduce modern technologies, increase the investment attractiveness of defense industry organizations and simplify the pricing system in the state of defense.”

Earlier, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu noted that “current pricing practices lead to late conclusion of state contracts due to the need to regulate price disputes with defense companies,” which calls into question the timeliness of the arrival of equipment to the troops and its quality.

Comments

[Ihrek]

Shoigu for the presidency.

[Tusk]

It's time to tighten the nuts! The state defense order is sacred .. You need to shoot crooks or give up! These Russia will fall apart and sell with giblets .. They have nothing sacred ..

[Pancir026]

Quote: Tusk

It's time to tighten the nuts! The state defense order is sacred .. You need to shoot crooks or give up! These Russia will fall apart and sell with giblets .. They have nothing sacred ..

Hit the point.
"First Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of Alfa Bank Oleg Sysuev announced the refusal of his financial organization to serve the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Russia.

Sysuyev told Ekho Moskvy radio that defense industry enterprises accounted for a significant portion of Alfa Bank’s loan portfolio, but the latter had already notified them (defense industry enterprises) of the termination of services due to fear of Western sanctions. “We are trying to minimize the risks,” Sysuyev, a former deputy prime minister in the offices of Viktor Chernomyrdin and Sergey Kiriyenko, explained to Ekhu. "http://zavtra.ru/events/al_fa-bank_otkazalsya_o
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[Say]

How many years old will he be in the 2024 election?

[Fedorov]

It takes five years to wait.

[fiberboard]

Yeah, and Kara-oola at the premiere.

[Ihrek]

Quote: fiberboard

Yeah, and Kara-oola at the premiere.

What are you a Nazi? I personally don’t care if only he was a Russian and loved Russia with its people. There was one non-Russian man at the helm — comrade STALIN — there was order. After him there was not one worthy who at least cost him something.

[siberalt]

To disperse effective managers to hell with dogs, and engineers and workers to establish a decent wage. So there will be savings on theft and quality.

[NEXUS]

Quote: siberalt

To disperse effective managers to hell,

And to plant someone ..

[zyzx]

And some people to shoot.

[siberalt]

Digging deep, Andrew. They don’t hand over their people there.

[Pancir026]

Quote: NEXUS

And to plant someone ..

These and others like him?
On December 29, the founder and co-owner of Alfa Group Mikhail Fridman in an interview with Forbes casually touched on the question of how sanctions on servicing the military-industrial complex might affect: “Well, what to do. Of course, we left there.”

Recall: a native of Lviv, a co-founder and member of the Bureau of the Presidium of the Russian Jewish Congress, an Israeli citizen Friedman (whom some media called the sponsor of the Navalny project and was accused of having ties to the Kiev regime), constantly lives in London and is a UK tax resident.

[Egorovich]

State regulation of prices must be established for all manufactured products in Russia, and not only for products supplied under state defense orders.

[Skay]

My mind feels that even here the managers will get out. It's like a competition of armor and shell.

[Lexus]

Naturally, they are all their own, native. They didn’t put them in order to plant them, let alone shoot them.

[HEATHER]

In Syria, the 24th helicopter crashed .. There are no living. There was no anger. Fault. They are silent. Bo
the merchant seemed to be dragged. 11 km from Hama.

[Non liberoid Russian]

return GOSPLAN, state standard specifications and national control

[Fedorov]

Who are you talking to now? To the State Planning Commission? Or to the USSR, in the form of Gorbachev.

[Non liberoid Russian]

and what? What place do you care about?

[Dzungar]

You won’t return individually ... If only the whole system

[Going]

This approach provides for “fixing the base prices for armaments and equipment for at least six years”, and they should not be reviewed annually, but only specified on the deflator index, “approved in the established manner”, follows from the document.

Full verbiage, even children do not see obvious guile, are already trying to deceive themselves.

[Mavrikiy]

the new approach “will allow us to get away from the costly pricing principle and will stimulate defense industry organizations to reduce production costs, introduce modern technologies, increase the investment attractiveness of defense industry organizations and simplify the pricing control system in the public defense sector”.
1.

will allow you to get away from the costly pricing principle .... lower production costs

how? violation of technology and substitution of materials.
2.

introduction of modern technologies,

And mother didn’t teach that modern technologies cost money? And the price of products will grow.
3.

will increase the investment attractiveness of defense industry organizations

Drugs and alcohol will be more attractive for investment.
4.

simplify the system of control over pricing in the field of public defense

ABOUT! That's why everything is done. Only not from the point of view of accounting, but from the point of view of cut.

[Altona]

Quote: Egorovich

State regulation of prices must be established for all manufactured products in Russia, and not only for products supplied under state defense orders.

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And first of all, it is necessary to establish prices for the products of monopolists-electric networks, gas, water supply. From here it will stretch that all this our "capitalism" is a continuous and banal speculation on people.

[lwxx]

From the beginning to fix fuel prices, here is the point of the report. And this is the state! We already have 92nd over 50r, what will happen after the election? What about sowing? I’m afraid to even guess further.

[Mountain shooter]

Where is the gas at 50? What region? In Moscow - 40.

[Going]

Today I refuel at 37.50, and in Kamchatka already 52 rubles.

[Vadim237]

This year they are supposed to produce 40 million tons of gasoline and 79 million tons of diesel fuel - in Russia the cheapest fuel in Europe, therefore it is profitable to drive it abroad.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Altona

And first of all, it is necessary to establish prices for the products of monopolists-electric networks, gas, water supply.

The economic system established in Russia does not imply "fixing" the prices of both energy and natural resources. If in 1991, when buying, 5% of the cost of goods was taken from us, now - 18%. Intermediary offices (sales) will not go anywhere. It was they who inspired us that the manufacturer of a product cannot do without intermediaries. And in the defense industry, the most disgusting thing is that the budget money taken from us in the form of various taxes is also called upon to increase the condition of some effective managers ...

[siberalt]

With us, the more and more expensively we sell hydrocarbons, the more soar are the prices of goods and food for the people. The paradox, however!

[Altona]

Quote: Going

Full verbiage, even children do not see obvious guile, are already trying to deceive themselves.

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You're right. What does “price fixing” mean if the metal in the market has doubled in price this year? But the products of the military industry are solid metal products and metal-intensive products, and not the issue of notebooks, for example. It turns out that the salaries of workers will be deducted from the cost of infantry fighting vehicles? Apparently so.

[Mountain shooter]

What metal has doubled in price? Will you name the brand? I work with metal all the time. Over the past year, only discounts have appeared ...

[Esoteric]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What metal has doubled in price?

Usually, closer to spring, metal prices begin to rise by 10-20%, but in February 2017 a significant price increase of 100% was recorded, and to some positions in 130%. The question begs itself - what happened to the metal market? What are the reasons for the rise in price of rolled metal in 2017?

https://mir-metall.ru/info/news/metalloprokat2017
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[Vadim237]

I did not feel a rise in prices for alloys.

[siberalt]

Now for one school notebook for a teacher or doctor, you need to work at least an hour. And to the loader - 10 minutes for delivering a sofa to the third floor is enough for a pile of such notebooks, plus a drink and a snack.

[Citizen 90]

swindlers not at enterprises, but at the top of concerns, they "distribute" money and orders. Here they will tighten the nuts saying "sell cheaper", will the directors drop their sn? Or do concerns say “deduct less to us”? Fuck there. Engineers will be cut from salaries of 20-25 to 2-4 thousand. And then they wonder why young people do not go to factories. And why go then if the state supports units that are somehow connected with the heads of concerns ("surprisingly" how), but you need to earn a living and family. Naturally, it’s easier for a person to hang out on private traders.

[Vadim237]

So they will go to private traders for production.

[vlad007]

In the note, as always, there is no specifics! This is already becoming a "good" tradition - general phrases and the article is ready!
The main problem of the defense industry so far has been that the manufacturers of ACCESSORIES had a standard efficiency factor of 20%, i.e. 20% was added to the cost price and the price for the Customer was obtained. And the manufacturer of the finished END product had a normative efficiency factor of 20% for its own products and 1% for components. There are more components in any complex technical product at a cost, and it turned out that the finisher bears all responsibility for the entire product, and receives only 1% of the majority of the cost.
If conditionally, it turned out the following: products were released on 1 000 000 (one million), but from 800 000 they received 1% of the profit (8 000 rubles), and from 200 000 rubles. received 20% (40 000 rub.) profit. The total profit amounted to 48 000 rub., I.e. 4,8% of the cost of the product!

[Mavrikiy]

Moreover, "prices for products that are supplied by a single supplier should be determined on the basis of an expanded index approach."
Have you tried nationalizing the military-industrial complex?

[Altona]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What metal has doubled in price? Will you name the brand? I work with metal all the time. Over the past year, only discounts have appeared ...

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St3, Steel 20, 40X, 35-b, 45-b. Sheet, circles, profile and round pipe. It was 27-32, it became 50-60 thousand rubles per ton. But you probably haven’t noticed.

[Altona]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Have you tried nationalizing the military-industrial complex?

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Nationalization in these conditions will not do anything, because hired managers also cut resources and are not responsible for anything. It is necessary to shake deeper the entire conservatory. Moreover, we as such have no control left. There is the Accounts Chamber, for example, it reveals many cases of misuse of funds, but the reaction of the authorities is not even pulling at the minimum.

[groks]

It seems to be right, but it seems to be nonsense. This should cover the entire chain from the finished product to the purchase of brooms by grassroots performers. Graduates will try to choose cheaper, but where to get it from?
When it comes to the Kremlin people that you don’t need to save on the defense industry, don’t!

[viktorch]

summing up the article - hard workers will be hunchbacked for rations (stripped down), effective managers for bonuses on a yacht (increased), everything is as it is now only for workers to pay less.

in short, good luck to people from the defense industry who are not sitting in warm places, hold on there

[icy]

Alfa Bank will cease to cooperate with the defense enterprises of the Russian Federation due to sanctions - and there will be “happiness” for it, i.e. the furry animal will come.

[Citizen 90]

Quote: viktorch

good luck to people from the defense industry who are not sitting in warm places, hold on there

we are holding on, though so far only on the idea that our work does not allow us to catch up with the country from the outside. (True, this does not stop its tops from doing this from the inside out)

Any knowledgeable parent in a situation 10 times now thinks before giving his child to study in engineering. Because after 5 (now already 6) years of hard study, not having a blat, a newly minted specialist student (or master) falls in the best case to the "average salary in the region." That is 18-20 in the regions and 28-30 in Moscow. And this child no longer thinks why he was wasting his nerves when the lower ranks from the camp, for example, diplomats receive 5 times more for "auxiliary" work without producing anything. So think, gentlemen, officials and couch experts, WHERE you need to tighten the nuts.