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"Iron dome" could not intercept one of the Hamas missiles

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The press service of the Israeli Defense Forces reports on the successful implementation of the Iron Dome missile defense system. We are talking about repelling a rocket attack carried out from Palestinian territories.


In a material published by the press service of the ministry, it is stated that the missile defense system “Iron Dome” was activated to intercept missiles in the areas of Sha'ar-a-Negev and Sdot Negev - in the desert with the same name (Negev). The Tsev hell sirens warned about the attack, and the Israeli missile defense system intercepted two missiles that had flown out of the Gaza Strip.

At the same time, it was added that not all the rockets launched by Hamas could be intercepted. One of the missiles reached targets and exploded at Kfar Aza, causing significant damage to local buildings. Thus, it is hardly possible to call a fully successful application of the “Iron Dome”.

"Iron dome" could not intercept one of the Hamas missiles


According to the latest data, no one was injured as a result of rocket fire. This is reported by the Israeli media.

The rocket attack on the territory of Israel interrupted a ceremony dedicated to Oron Shaul, an IDF soldier who was abducted by Hamas in 2014. The ceremony was attended by Israeli ministers, including the Minister of Communications, Ayub Karu. It is believed that the serviceman Shaul was killed in captivity.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 29 December 2017 14: 33 New
    20
    One of the rockets reached more fully and exploded in Kfar Aze, causing significant damage to the local buildings.
    Well, everything happens. God forbid that our "Armor" would work without such failures ...
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 29 December 2017 14: 42 New
      25
      Quote: svp67
      Well, everything happens. God forbid that our "Armor" would work without such failures ...


      If we take into account that barmalei missiles have essentially the simplest flying tubes, without any difficulties, the efficiency of the Dome is not very high
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2017 14: 49 New
        21
        Quote: bulvas
        If we take into account that barmalei missiles have essentially the simplest flying tubes, without any difficulties, the efficiency of the Dome is not very high

        Yes, normal. Before that, there were no special failures. So it’s too early to draw any conclusions without having complete information. We would have to deal with our own, in the same "Roskosmos" and more with "Almaz-Antey"
      2. just exp
        just exp 29 December 2017 15: 04 New
        10
        so it seems like once it happened? So what ? now put an end to the whole system?
        sometimes AK wedges. but this does not mean that the machine has become bad.
        and one jamb, though it is a jamb, but does not make the weather. that would not be scratching about the dome is a normal missile defense for its level.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 29 December 2017 15: 18 New
          +4
          Quote: just EXPL
          so it seems like once it happened? So what ? now put an end to the whole system?
          sometimes AK wedges. but this does not mean that the machine has become bad.
          and one jamb, though it is a jamb, but does not make the weather. that would not be scratching about the dome is a normal missile defense for its level.



          Iskander-M fires a radar of hardly noticeable high-altitude (rises to a height of 50 km) 9M723 missile. A super-maneuverable “pebble” rushes across the sky along a quasi-ballistic trajectory, actively maneuvering on all sections of the path. The vaunted US air defense / missile defense system THAAD is unable to keep track of such pirouettes and somersaults. In addition, to bypass missile defense, the 9M723 missile is additionally equipped with a dropable module with electronic warfare equipment (EW) and false targets.


          And what will Dome, Patriot, THAAD and so on do with such weapons?
          1. just exp
            just exp 29 December 2017 15: 52 New
            +3
            But what does the dome have to do with it? it’s not his league at all, they have a hez for that.
            and by the way, at the expense of Iskander, if he is not intercepted, then why did they add electronic warfare to him?
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 29 December 2017 16: 07 New
              +9
              Quote: just EXPL
              But what does the dome have to do with it? it’s not his league at all, they have a hez for that.


              we are talking about Dome = Shell

              Quote: just EXPL
              Incidentally, at the expense of Iskander, if he is not intercepted, then why did they add electronic warfare to him?


              A strange question, of course, so that it is not intercepted
              1. just exp
                just exp 29 December 2017 16: 40 New
                +1
                if we are talking about the Dome = Shell then what does Iskander have to do with it?
                By the way, such a situation (reverse) was in reality, this is the Carapace against Laura. and it’s like ours that part of the Armor was shot down, but judging by the photo this is not entirely true (although I want to believe that the Armor could have shot down Laura, she still doesn’t maneuver, but if they actually shot her down, then this would be shown in all media and on all sites there would be a bunch of articles with photos and winning releases)

                A strange question, of course, so that it is not intercepted

                but why seriously increase the cost of the product (electronic warfare is electronics, but it’s not cheap) that does not give anything? for why make non-interceptable what is already non-interceptable?
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 29 December 2017 16: 46 New
                  +2
                  My opinion. The shell worked on the MLRS. And this is a great success. But with the Dome it is still early measured.
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina 29 December 2017 17: 16 New
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                    Quote: Shahno
                    My opinion. The shell worked on the MLRS. And this is a great success. But with the Dome it is still early measured.

                    Mdya, you do not occupy self-importance.
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                    2. quote
                      quote 29 December 2017 18: 27 New
                      +3
                      Quote: sabakina
                      Quote: Shahno
                      My opinion. The shell worked on the MLRS. And this is a great success. But with the Dome it is still early measured.

                      Mdya, you do not occupy self-importance.

                      A sense of inferiority raises self-esteem to unprecedented heights.
                      Compare the incomprehensible.
                  2. Monos
                    Monos 29 December 2017 17: 39 New
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                    Quote: Shahno
                    My opinion. The shell worked on the MLRS. And this is a great success. But with the Dome it is still early measured.

                    We will be measured in direct opposition. In the meantime, your dome has not shown its advantages. And there is no success in the work of the "Shell". He just worked properly, as it should.
                  3. just exp
                    just exp 29 December 2017 17: 56 New
                    +5
                    I would say that it’s too early for the Dome to measure with the Shell.
                    The dome is still PRO (like your Lightning). and the shell is more air defense.
                    these are not exactly identical complexes, but they can perform some tasks of each other.
                    and by the way, at least kill, I don’t believe that a Tamir costs 20 thousand and it has an ARS GSN.
                    this cannot happen in principle. it's like an ATGM with an IR GOS for 500 bucks.
                  4. yakyu20
                    yakyu20 30 December 2017 22: 38 New
                    0
                    so the rzzo is more complicated than a rocket (the size is smaller), so that in terms of detection in the shell everything is exactly normal. well, and then - about the same
                2. bulvas
                  bulvas 29 December 2017 17: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: just EXPL
                  but why seriously increase the cost of the product (electronic warfare is electronics, but it’s not cheap) that does not give anything? for why make non-interceptable what is already non-interceptable?


                  Are you a lawyer by any chance?
                  Or what bureaucrat?
                  What are the meaningless questions?

                  Instead of writing such nonsense, study a question if it is interesting.
                  1. just exp
                    just exp 29 December 2017 17: 58 New
                    0
                    on another forum, the debate on this topic extended to more than one page, and there this question was sucked up on all sides, tell us something new that we don’t know yet.
                    well, or at least answer reasonably to that question of mine (to hell with electronic warfare if Iskander is already intercepted,).
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 29 December 2017 18: 27 New
                      +3
                      Quote: just EXPL
                      on horseradish EW if Iskander and so unintercepted


                      to increase the interceptibility
                      for example, a particularly important target and many interceptors will be used to intercept.
                      An additional opportunity to overcome missile defense in this case will increase the chances of hitting a target.

                      In addition, Iskander has several missiles with different capabilities.

                      Somewhere, it may not be necessary to overcome missile defense at all, for example, if a bunker or ISIL underground passages are defeated, but somewhere everything will be needed, it is possible that the modular principle applies

                      You can launch several missiles for the reliability of destruction, or you can use an additional module, such as electronic warfare
                      Already benefit
                      1. just exp
                        just exp 29 December 2017 19: 41 New
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                        You do not see a contradiction in your words? Why increase the immobility if it is already non-interceptible? it’s just possible to intercept, difficult, but possible. because they added electronic warfare.
                      2. bulvas
                        bulvas 29 December 2017 21: 15 New
                        0
                        Quote: just EXPL
                        You do not see a contradiction in your words? Why increase the immobility if it is already non-interceptible? it’s just possible to intercept, difficult, but possible. because they added electronic warfare.


                        what hi
                    2. yakyu20
                      yakyu20 30 December 2017 22: 39 New
                      +1
                      This is one of the reasons for its interception !!!!
            2. zoolu350
              zoolu350 30 December 2017 05: 27 New
              +2
              So that it was not intercepted in a cube.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 December 2017 20: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Well, everything happens. God forbid that our "Armor" would work without such failures ...

      It’s more correct to compare the Iron Dome with our BUK-M3. hi
    3. barsik92090
      barsik92090 2 January 2018 22: 05 New
      0
      This rocket was "not right," she scoured like a dog in pursuit of a hare, which is why the kumpol is being demolished at the dome.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 2 January 2018 22: 08 New
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        Take it easy. I name a rocket a mine.
  2. Ren
    Ren 29 December 2017 14: 34 New
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    Either the Iron Dome missile defense - no missile defense, or Hamas has super-duper maneuvering missiles! bully
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 December 2017 14: 44 New
      12
      Quote: Ren
      Either the Iron Dome missile defense - no missile defense, or Hamas has super-duper maneuvering missiles

      Neither one nor the other. And the “Dome” is a normal missile defense system and missiles are home-made. But everyone crashes. Now the guys from the "promised land" will catch up and tell everyone, I won’t be surprised that after their story everything will look completely different.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 29 December 2017 15: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: Ren
      Either the Iron Dome missile defense - no missile defense, or Hamas has super-duper maneuvering missiles! bully

      To me, as a person tracking this system from the first launches in 2009, this looks like a definite success. As far back as 2014, the ZhK could not cover areas in 7km from the Gaza border, and only with 2015 due to changing algorithms did it become possible to intercept NURSs falling on the surrounding Gaza n / a.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 29 December 2017 15: 30 New
        +7
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Ren
        Either the Iron Dome missile defense - no missile defense, or Hamas has super-duper maneuvering missiles! bully

        To me, as a person tracking this system from the first launches in 2009, this looks like a definite success. As far back as 2014, the ZhK could not cover areas in 7km from the Gaza border, and only with 2015 due to changing algorithms did it become possible to intercept NURSs falling on the surrounding Gaza n / a.


        We have other requirements.
        We are not bombarded with pieces of pipe, and this is unlikely to threaten us.
        We are threatened with other missiles guided by bombs and shells, therefore the levels are different.
        In addition, the Carapace and Torah can shoot on the move, in motion.

        In addition, the shells are designed to cover vital objects - nuclear power plants, air defense systems of a higher level
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 29 December 2017 15: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: bulvas

          We have other requirements.
          We are not bombarded with pieces of pipe, and this is unlikely to threaten us.

          What pipes? Who drove this nonsense into your head? Kasama was last launched in 2009. They have long been living on factory rockets.
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 29 December 2017 16: 11 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi

            What pipes? Who drove this nonsense into your head? Kasama was last launched in 2009. They have long been living on factory rockets.


            and what are the means of missile defense missile defense from factory
            reduced visibility?
            Maneuvering, EW?
            how do they differ from pipes?
            that were uncontrollable and remained, except that the range is greater
      2. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 30 December 2017 00: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        To me, as a person tracking this system from the first launches in 2009, this looks like a definite success. As far back as 2014, the ZhK could not cover areas in 7km from the Gaza border, and only with 2015 due to changing algorithms did it become possible to intercept NURSs falling on the surrounding Gaza n / a.

        And how they sang in a branch on a raid on Khmeimim: "buy an iron dome and you will be happy." And now we say that finally we can intercept something. Fool! When pi .. balabolim? then or now? laughing
  3. Shahno
    Shahno 29 December 2017 14: 35 New
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    So, in principle, no one hides the effectiveness of the complex 75-80 percent.
    1. Ren
      Ren 29 December 2017 14: 42 New
      15
      Quote: Shahno
      So, in principle, no one hides the effectiveness of the complex 75-80 percent.

      Something you do not look like an Israeli citizen (you think badly) - 2 of 3 is 66% (at best). recourse
      Although there is not a word about the number of missiles fired, but about the intercepted missiles - the 2nd, i.e. if released 4 - 50%, 5 - 40% - etc. hi
      It makes you think about the probability of hitting the target of one missile - 50% to 50%, probably (meeting - not meeting) wassat
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 29 December 2017 14: 56 New
        +2
        Not simular. And here we are all different. Or do you want me to bite your hand off right away. Like the Arabs.
        1. just exp
          just exp 29 December 2017 15: 01 New
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          Why did you bite their hands? damn, and this is still considered barbarians.
          Well, I hope at least not from hunger? otherwise I can advise hedgehogs, as if they say that everyone at us eats them. probably delicious.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 29 December 2017 15: 03 New
            +6
            This is black humor. We have nowhere without him.
      2. Shahno
        Shahno 29 December 2017 15: 01 New
        +4
        What's not clear. In this particular case, 3 rockets were fired. Due to the fact that the distance is not long (there is not enough time to answer), only two were shot down. I wrote about general statistics to you.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 December 2017 15: 23 New
          +8
          What is the dispute then. The dome is a working system, one might say combat.
          They wrote correctly that there are no penetrated systems yet, and for its price, it hits an acceptable amount of “gifts” from the enemy.
          Then only modernization, refinement, and of course a rise in price ... and not the fact that much better performance will be achieved.
  4. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 29 December 2017 14: 36 New
    +5
    It is necessary for them to buy "shells" that do not miss missiles laughing
    Militants fired at the Russian Khmeimim air base. With the help of the anti-aircraft complex “Shell-C1”, the rockets fired by the radicals were shot down.
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 29 December 2017 21: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Incvizitor
      It is necessary for them to buy "shells" that do not miss missiles

      How many shells are needed to cover the territory that one Dome battery covers?
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 30 December 2017 15: 06 New
        0
        The question here is rather what to cover: if separate targets, then the carapace is more convenient, and it is necessary to count and check on the spot, but c1 then it intercepts all missiles.
        As I understand it, there are mainly urban neighborhoods covered and for their cover specifically, such an area of ​​150 km is unlikely to be needed, especially if due to this there is a loss in accuracy, if, for example, covering a piece of territory with a semi-desert or a desert, the question arises to cover all these places?
        1. alexsipin
          alexsipin 30 December 2017 17: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: Incvizitor
          The question here is rather what to cover: if separate targets, then the carapace is more convenient, and it is necessary to count and check on the spot, but c1 then it intercepts all missiles.

          Well, imagine that tomorrow you need to protect an area of ​​200 to 200 km. Count how many shells you need and how many domes. My approximate calculation showed a very serious difference in price and not in favor of the shell. Let’s see how much it will turn out for you. I think this explains why people in the Donbass die from mortar shelling, and Russia provides only moral support in protecting the civilian population.
  5. viktorch
    viktorch 29 December 2017 14: 37 New
    0
    missiles at such price tags shoot at least 80% well
  6. flicker
    flicker 29 December 2017 14: 40 New
    +5
    It is necessary to invite the armor to buy them, it will be calmer with them
  7. turbris
    turbris 29 December 2017 14: 41 New
    +5
    So what? No one in the world has impenetrable air defense and cannot have it, so there is no sensation here. The fact that they fired at missiles is already good, the deployed American missile defense is also a reliable umbrella only for voters, but in reality it is the same option.
  8. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 December 2017 14: 47 New
    +9
    Kfar Aza is located three kilometers from the Gaza Strip. If a Palestinian rocket was launched from the border, I don’t think that any of the existing missile defense systems in the world today can intercept at such a distance.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 29 December 2017 14: 51 New
      +6
      I agree. It’s all the same to intercept mortar shells. Very difficult.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 29 December 2017 14: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Shahno
        I agree. It’s all the same to intercept mortar shells. Very difficult.

        You contradict yourself. Then why did the other two missiles intercept?)
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 29 December 2017 15: 07 New
          +3
          Because the software is running. So 3 ammunition did not fit.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 29 December 2017 15: 10 New
            +5
            And why did the first two fit in? They are released from one place. Maybe your system is just not very and you are now very stupidly trying to justify it?)
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 December 2017 20: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Shahno
            Because the software is running. So 3 ammunition did not fit.

            I don’t think that is the point ... I think there was little time for the interception reaction.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 29 December 2017 15: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Muvka
          Quote: Shahno
          I agree. It’s all the same to intercept mortar shells. Very difficult.

          You contradict yourself. Then why did the other two missiles intercept?)

          The other two flew to settlements farther from the Gaza Strip.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 29 December 2017 15: 36 New
            +1
            Where can I read about it? Share it.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 29 December 2017 15: 53 New
              0
              I read here)))

              http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5063631
  9. MOLODCHIK
    MOLODCHIK 29 December 2017 14: 50 New
    +4
    when the effectiveness of the carapace is at least 30% of the iron dome then start tweeting. the elemental base of the 70s level cannot bring down anything. IMHO.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 December 2017 15: 00 New
      23
      It seems that MOLODCHIK is a diagnosis ... we will put it on the list of known deviations.
    2. turbris
      turbris 29 December 2017 15: 02 New
      13
      MOLODCHIK - you are, of course, a specialist in air defense, since you can so easily evaluate the effectiveness and it depends little on the element base, let it be known to you. And what element base do you know about the Shell? Therefore, you just better not to tweet "specialist"!
    3. just exp
      just exp 29 December 2017 15: 02 New
      +5
      Well, actually, such a homemade shell regularly knocks down. By the way, do not tell me which HEADLIGHTS were in the 70s at the SAM air defense system?
    4. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 29 December 2017 15: 12 New
      +6
      What are you then raising a universal howl in Izrail when we are delivering your air defense to your neighbors and that it’s so such a not-so-weak queue lined up behind our complexes, probably all you fools are one laughing , let’s we put up a willow for Palestine that doesn’t kill anything according to your words
    5. Alexander War
      Alexander War 29 December 2017 15: 16 New
      +6
      Judging by the spelling, even the milk on the lips is not dry! And also about the elemental base tweets laughing
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        1. Warrior-80
          Warrior-80 29 December 2017 16: 38 New
          11
          And here are anti-Semites, fools have no nationality
        2. Alexander War
          Alexander War 29 December 2017 17: 15 New
          +3
          laughing laughing Not a fifth decade, but five years, and not 25 years in Israel, but a school graduate
        3. sabakina
          sabakina 29 December 2017 17: 27 New
          +5
          Quote: MOLODCHIK
          spelling suffers from me because I’m the fifth decade and I’ve already been in Israel for 25 years)) you’re the sweetest spider)))

          For example, I’m the sixth dozen and I still live in the RSFSR. And spelling does not suffer from me. Nipples measure boom?
        4. rocket757
          rocket757 29 December 2017 19: 50 New
          +7
          The diagnosis is confirmed! Do not touch, it is probably contagious!
        5. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 30 December 2017 00: 25 New
          0
          Quote: MOLODCHIK
          because I’m the fifth dozen

          And he attached the picture to a nickname like a youngster, and he cheaply photographed the hexagon at Sylvester. laughing
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 December 2017 10: 36 New
            +3
            It happens that solid years have come, but mind ??? Well, didn’t come?
            Diagnosis in one word.
    6. Dart2027
      Dart2027 29 December 2017 15: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: MOLODCHIK
      when the effectiveness of the shell will be at least 30% of the iron dome

      Recently, they have shown their effectiveness. And successfully.
    7. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 29 December 2017 17: 14 New
      +1
      It’s very thick, learn from Prof ...
      1. MOLODCHIK
        MOLODCHIK 29 December 2017 18: 09 New
        0
        I'm training. but the element base you still sucks))
        1. PN
          PN 29 December 2017 18: 41 New
          11
          Sucks sir in your underpants ...
    8. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 December 2017 20: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: MOLODCHIK
      when the effectiveness of the shell will be at least 30%

      Well, let's start with the fact that the Dome and the Carapace are completely different specifics and tasks. Secondly, the Shell is a near-range complex, unlike Cupor.
      The Iron Cupid (Hebrew כיפת ברזל - Kipat Barzel, English Iron Dome - Iron Dome) is a tactical missile defense system designed to protect against unguided tactical missiles with range from 4 to 70 kilometers

      Shell-C1 (GRAU index - 96K6, at the development stage it had the verbal name "Tunguska-3", according to NATO codification - SA-22 Greyhound (from the English - "greyhound") - Russian self-propelled anti-aircraft missile-cannon missile system (SAM) of the ground and sea based.

      The complex was developed by a number of structures of the military-industrial complex of the USSR and Russia, headed by the Instrument Design Bureau. Designed for close cover of civilian and military installations (including long-range air defense systems) from all modern and promising air attack weapons. It can also protect the protected object from ground and surface threats.

      At the same time, the maximum range is up to 20 km. In the new version, Shell-SM, up to 40 km.
      In addition, the Shell is a complex of air defense, and the Dome is a missile defense.
      Next ... do you know the percentage of interception of the Shell, dear?
      The missile provides target destruction with an ESR of 0,1-0,3 meters at a distance of 20 km and effective destruction of all types of promising air attack weapons, primarily high-precision weapons with flight speeds of up to 1000 m / s and a minimum effective reflective surface (EOP) 0,03 , 0,06 - 0,7 m², with a probability of at least XNUMX by one rocket

      By 2017, the development of the Shell-SM will be completed with the ability to effectively destroy ballistic targets

      And now for the Dome ..
      During Operation Cloud Pillar in November 2012, the system intercepted 421 missiles fired from the Gaza Strip through Israeli territory. The percentage of successfully intercepted goals is estimated at 85%

      It is more correct to compare the iron dome with our complex BUK-M3 ...
      The complex is capable of hitting aerial targets flying at speeds of up to 3 km / s at ranges from 2,5 to 70 km and altitudes from 15 m to 35 km

      And now the numbers for the interception at Buk ..
      air target - 0,9999
      for cruise missile - 0.8

      So what about 30% of the efficiency of the Dome, did you speak there?
      1. PN
        PN 29 December 2017 21: 11 New
        +2
        Yes, he would only sprinkle with saliva.
      2. alexsipin
        alexsipin 29 December 2017 21: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        air target - 0,9999
        for cruise missile - 0.8

        Is there data on 122 mm missiles?
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 30 December 2017 00: 28 New
          0
          Quote: alexsipin
          Is there data on 122 mm missiles?

          And then you ask for data on 122,2 mm missiles. We know you cunning. laughing
          1. alexsipin
            alexsipin 30 December 2017 03: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: kirgiz58
            And then you ask for data on 122,2 mm missiles. We know you cunning.

            Excuse does not channel.
    9. bk316
      bk316 30 December 2017 21: 34 New
      +2
      the elemental base of the 70s level cannot bring down anything. IMHO.

      You are right; the elemental base cannot bring down anything AT ALL. Shoot down the damaging elements of warheads, and transistors in this capacity are not used. wassat
  10. Humpty
    Humpty 29 December 2017 15: 02 New
    0
    Quote: bulvas
    If we also take into account that barmalei missiles have essentially the simplest flying pipes, without any difficulties,

    Even a makeshift engine for a rocket model requires components for making solid fuels.
    I could be wrong, but in Gaza they do not produce the most important component. Do you bring in a humunitar?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 December 2017 15: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Humpty
      Quote: bulvas
      If we also take into account that barmalei missiles have essentially the simplest flying pipes, without any difficulties,

      Even a makeshift engine for a rocket model requires components for making solid fuels.
      I could be wrong, but in Gaza they do not produce the most important component. Do you bring in a humunitar?

      Since 2014, they have been firing from Gaza mainly ammunition for industrial production, hail, Katyusha and their modifications.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 29 December 2017 15: 09 New
    +7
    The Israelis created a normal system, it can be better, but the price-performance ratio will not be ah.
    The carapace is no worse, just mobility and self-sufficiency in one mobile facility, for our endless open spaces it is preferable.
    Absolutely impenetrable systems do not exist for anyone, so far, what will be seen in the future.
  12. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 December 2017 15: 19 New
    +1
    That is, its real effectiveness in this case amounted to 65-70 percent! Although, when it comes to lives, efficiency should be around 99 percent!
  13. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 29 December 2017 15: 19 New
    +8
    Here, then there fell:
    1. Professor
      Professor 30 December 2017 10: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Here, then there fell:

      In vain you are depriving these photos of the pre-New Year joy of our "friends" on the forum. Here, the theme is a joyful "Iron Dome" could not intercept one of the Hamas missiles, but it turns out that there was no missile. negative
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 30 December 2017 11: 18 New
        +1
        [quote = professor] [quote = a. Pripali] Here, then there fell:
        In vain you are depriving these photos of the pre-New Year joy of our "friends" on the forum. Here, the theme is a joyful "Iron Dome" could not intercept one of the Hamas missiles, but it turns out that there was no missile. negative[/ Quote]
        Happy New Year everyone!
        1. Professor
          Professor 30 December 2017 11: 26 New
          +2
          Holiday greetings.
  14. flicker
    flicker 29 December 2017 15: 19 New
    10
    "The Iron Dome was unable to intercept one of the Hamas missiles"
    Maybe the news should be titled otherwise, for example: the Iron Dome was able to intercept several Hamas missiles?
    It would seem that about the same thing, but acquires a slightly different meaning. However, you can leave the one that is.
    1. Antares
      Antares 30 December 2017 00: 06 New
      0
      Quote: flicker
      It would seem that about the same thing, but acquires a slightly different meaning. However, you can leave the one that is.

      The principle is how to title topics. You can’t write down 1 out of 3, and then immediately negative - I couldn’t bring down a rocket ... that's all.
      The author may have skipped classes at the Soviet school .. there the principle is that the name was hammered well
  15. Simon
    Simon 29 December 2017 15: 21 New
    0
    This suggests that Hamas missiles are being improved. request
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 29 December 2017 15: 21 New
    +4
    Something I do not see "significant damage to local buildings."
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 29 December 2017 15: 28 New
      12
      As for me, this is not a rocket, but a mine. Two such knocked down on three kilometers. Quite cool.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 December 2017 15: 55 New
        +4
        Shank from the mine. Only a mine can be launched from a tripod like a rocket. Mortar, large-caliber, large-sized and heavy thing.
        1. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx 29 December 2017 22: 57 New
          +4
          judging by this photo, the caliber of the mine is 82 mm. This is a medium caliber, large, as far as I can tell, it starts from 120 mm, correct if I'm wrong. We arrived at a shaitan-arba some, fired and into the bushes (desert). And to intercept such trifles, the LCD showed a good result.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 December 2017 15: 56 New
        -1
        The question or two others flew to Kfar Aza and were they identical.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 December 2017 16: 00 New
          +4
          And the truth is the question?
          What flew and where.
          Mina intercept, at unreal.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 29 December 2017 16: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: rocket757
            And the truth is the question?
            What flew and where.
            Mina intercept, at unreal.

            The “Iron Dome” also knocks down artillery mines from 2014. good
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 29 December 2017 16: 16 New
              +2
              Yes. But the probability of interest is 60.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 29 December 2017 16: 52 New
                +2
                Not so little. And on that, thanks.
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 29 December 2017 20: 13 New
              +4
              So the dome system is unreal ... a joke.
              It’s possible to shoot down slow ammunition flying along a high trajectory, especially since their detonators are super sensitive when it explodes, only blow at it like he was a woman. It’s not necessary to get into it, if only it would explode nearby.
              OK, WORKING SYSTEM. Only the percentage of intercepting mines is worse than missiles, that's a fact.
              And the shaitan balloon canopy in the teeth? Lousy ammunition, a very stupid fuse, the explosive is even dumber, Schaub must be blown up, it is necessary Schaub the anti-aircraft missile tore almost inside it, shrapnel almost does not take it.
  17. K-50
    K-50 29 December 2017 16: 17 New
    +5
    failed to intercept all missiles fired by Hamas

    Just the other day, Jews, or maybe "Russian Israeli citizens", were scolding the work of the "Shell" in Syria, which had correctly completed its task of intercepting missiles fired at our base.
    It would be interesting to compare the energy of these "New Year's gifts", well, there are speed, flight altitudes, arrival time and other parameters. what yes
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 29 December 2017 16: 28 New
      +6
      Happy New Year. We are now having an official holiday. You can swear after 23-00. Do not arrest.
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      2. rocket757
        rocket757 29 December 2017 20: 24 New
        +4
        Happy holiday.
        Question - why swear on folk? They will not arrest, but why?
        1. Neksel
          Neksel 30 December 2017 02: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Shahno
          Happy New Year. We are now having an official holiday. You can swear after 23-00. Do not arrest.

          Quote: rocket757
          Question - why swear on folk? They will not arrest, but why?

          The comrade had in mind that according to the amendment introduced this year to the "Law on Noise Prevention" (well, something like that, if literally translated) - you can make noise all New Year's Eve, and this is legal. On normal weekdays, you cannot make noise from 23:00 to 7:00 for tomorrow. In such cases, you can call the police and they will calm walkers. If it does not help, they will write a fine. Pretty effective. (I myself used this repeatedly). Not later than the day before yesterday, about half past one in the night - a simple calm remark was enough for the neighbors - they apologized and asked "not to call the police." Since then - after 1:23 no sound from their apartment.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 December 2017 10: 43 New
            +4
            Thank you, I understood everything. Everything is normal and adequate, which is what I wish for!
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 29 December 2017 20: 27 New
      +3
      I asked, how is it about the shaitan balloon? Very lousy, difficult to counter ammunition! And if it reaches, scratches on the pavement will not work!
  18. Dormidont
    Dormidont 29 December 2017 16: 56 New
    +2
    Maybe you should think about renaming it to "Iron Colander"?
  19. System
    System 29 December 2017 16: 59 New
    0
    Israeli rocket attack interrupts Oron Shaul ceremony

    This is a direct sign for Israel! The Russians haven’t felt you yet, and Russia is very angry with your "brother" ..
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 December 2017 17: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Sistema
      Israeli rocket attack interrupts Oron Shaul ceremony

      This is a direct sign for Israel! The Russians haven’t felt you yet, and Russia is very angry with your "brother" ..

      How much I live here, I did not pay attention to something))))
      1. System
        System 29 December 2017 17: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        How much I live here, I did not pay attention to something))))

        Still, here everything is seized here too .. bully
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 29 December 2017 18: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Sistema
          Quote: Krasnodar
          How much I live here, I did not pay attention to something))))

          Still, here everything is seized here too .. bully

          Where's the brand heh heh, Vitaliy? )))
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 December 2017 20: 34 New
            +4
            Is it true that Shaw is too angry with Jews? They will go across us, they will immediately rake us off, they know this and do not do too much ... quite adequate guys. To climb into their swara with neighbors ... I hope that there is no more headache at the top of the sick .... THIS IS AN OTHER DISASSEMBLY, let them, themselves, themselves !!!.
  20. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 29 December 2017 17: 05 New
    +6
    There is a threaded bolt for every tricky nut. Jews think that they are the most cunning and smart, the harsh reality it upsets.
  21. Vard
    Vard 29 December 2017 17: 09 New
    0
    Question ... And what did the Panzari shoot ...
  22. flicker
    flicker 29 December 2017 17: 17 New
    +4
    Yeah, the iron dome will be finalized and everything will be fine - Hamas will finalize the rockets, in response the iron dome will be finalized - Hamas will finalize the rockets again and so on to infinity ...
    It seems that we should sit down and agree - and then no one will have to modify anything. It’s clear that it’s difficult, but no matter how you look, there’s no other way.
    1. System
      System 29 December 2017 17: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: flicker
      It seems that we should sit down and agree - and then no one will have to modify anything. It’s clear that it’s difficult, but no matter how you look, there’s no other way.

      In fact of the matter, Israel is not going to agree with anyone .. They are the navel of the land, and now they have declared Jerusalem their capital .. The elect, in an artificial state!
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 29 December 2017 20: 37 New
      +4
      A thin world is better than war !!! Although the normal world is even better.
  23. Maz
    Maz 29 December 2017 18: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: bulvas

    We have other requirements.
    Us pieces laughing they’re not firing pipes, and it’s unlikely that this will threaten us.

    What pipes? Who drove this nonsense into your head? Kasama was last launched in 2009. They have long been living on factory rockets.

    Cho are you telling tales, Aron,? And who banned the supply of gas pipes? Moses? Who preys on engineers? Aron, don’t worry, I’ll correct you if that. laughing the main thing is that on the new year the LCD does not miss missiles. The fact that he misses them and doesn’t catch everything has long been clear
  24. MOLODCHIK
    MOLODCHIK 29 December 2017 18: 46 New
    +1
    about the navel, in general, yes! the dead sea is the lowest point on the planet, and Kinneret is the lowest lake.
  25. ADT
    ADT 29 December 2017 20: 17 New
    +3
    It's good that nobody was hurt. But in general, if you dodge stones all the time, and not immobilize the one who throws these stones, then no matter how tricky he is, anyway, he will, sooner or later, be sure to arrive.
    How engineering achievement this J.K. It wouldn’t be, but by and large, it’s not so much anti-aircraft anti-aircraft gun system how much is a political system. Created in order to at least somehow neutralize the "peace process" that is completely negative for Israel.
  26. turbris
    turbris 29 December 2017 20: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: devis
    Compare the incomprehensible.

    It’s absolutely true, the Shell and the Dome are completely different systems and it’s stupid to compare them, their purpose is different and the tasks to be solved too. But this does not bother our “specialists”, give them “Urya” and that’s all!
  27. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 30 December 2017 02: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: bulvas
    Quote: svp67
    Well, everything happens. God forbid that our "Armor" would work without such failures ...


    If we take into account that barmalei missiles have essentially the simplest flying tubes, without any difficulties, the efficiency of the Dome is not very high

    You see, barmalei shoot mostly stuffed with sewer pipes at the Jews. Under them, this engineering miracle of engineering is imprisoned Iron Kumpol, ugh you, Dome.
    However, according to the latest intelligence from this region, sewer pipes, due to such demand, are now in short supply. I have to use plumbing. They fly along their original trajectory. And odorless. Here Kumpol and messes, can not smell.
    1. Professor
      Professor 30 December 2017 10: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Silkway0026
      You see, barmalei shoot mostly stuffed with sewer pipes at the Jews. Under them, this engineering miracle of engineering is imprisoned Iron Kumpol, ugh you, Dome.

      Do you have statistics on what exactly the Fylystyns fired on? Then it’s better to be silent.

      Quote: Silkway0026
      However, according to the latest intelligence from this region, sewer pipes, due to such demand, are now in short supply. I have to use plumbing. They fly along their original trajectory. And odorless. Here Kumpol and messes, can not smell.

      And here you sat in a puddle. Sewer pipes in our region are exclusively plastic. You cannot make a rocket out of them. lol
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 31 December 2017 15: 12 New
        +1
        gee-gee .... you answer any banter to such a seriousness? apparently pay line by line))))
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  29. Grafova Irina
    Grafova Irina 30 December 2017 16: 03 New
    0
    100% defeat of air targets is impossible. Therefore, air defense systems should minimize possible damage ...
    This is what I say, I write when it comes to mass application ...
    In this case ... "Shells" were created to counter such threats ... Or isn’t it?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 30 December 2017 18: 56 New
      +3
      The carapace is the last frontier of the layered air defense system, located directly in front of the protected object.
      It can protect individually or as part of a division any object on the near approaches.
      Mobile, in the division is quite effective. It is constantly being modernized, i.e. the development prospects are good.
  30. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 30 December 2017 17: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Shahno
    My opinion. The shell worked on the MLRS. And this is a great success. But with the Dome it is still early measured.

    Too late! Your Zionist kumpol sucks! Admit and do not puff out your cheeks, it does not suit you ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 30 December 2017 19: 12 New
      +3
      The dome has its advantages, advantages that stationary air defense systems can have.
      Highly mobile air defense systems have not yet reached the parameters of stationary systems, but it is their mobility that ensures their demand in the troops.
      In short, it’s incorrect to compare the heavy with the long, the Dome is good in its own way, the carapace of mobile systems is a leader ... we have other mobile systems, both for facilities and for advanced.
      Let's just say - collectively in air defense - missile defense systems we are ahead of the rest of the planet, at least for now, the so-called treads are on the heels. allies and of course the enemy. Separate complexes created over the hill have very high performance characteristics. So you do not need to yawn, and all the more boasts of what is created. We must work, work and work again.
  31. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 30 December 2017 17: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Silkway0026
    You see, barmalei shoot mostly stuffed with sewer pipes at the Jews. Under them, this engineering miracle of engineering is imprisoned Iron Kumpol, ugh you, Dome.

    Do you have statistics on what exactly the Fylystyns fired on? Then it’s better to be silent.

    Quote: Silkway0026
    However, according to the latest intelligence from this region, sewer pipes, due to such demand, are now in short supply. I have to use plumbing. They fly along their original trajectory. And odorless. Here Kumpol and messes, can not smell.

    And here you sat in a puddle. Sewer pipes in our region are exclusively plastic. You cannot make a rocket out of them. lol

    Why are you distorting the name of this people?
    Is it clear in the rules? Or who did you forget about Dostoevsky, Gogol, etc.?
    1. Professor
      Professor 30 December 2017 18: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Why are you distorting the name of this people?

      1. Not you, but you.
      2. Shabl Fylystyn - this is exactly what the Arabs of Judea and Samaria call themselves. Once again: the “Fylists” are their SELF-NAME. fool

      Quote: Hurricane70
      Is it clear in the rules? Or who did you forget about Dostoevsky, Gogol, etc.?

      Is it forbidden in the rules to call anyone by the name that he invented for himself? Seriously? and by the way I remember who I am in Gogol and Dostoevsky. And I remember who you are. wink
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 31 December 2017 15: 20 New
        +1
        if we talk about SELF-NAMES, then perhaps the moderators will allow us to quote the great Russian writer N.V. Gogol?
        “Well, let them say it,” said Bulba, who always liked to listen to the accused.
        “Clear pans!” Pronounced zh.i.d. “Such males have never been seen before. By God, never! Such kind, good, and brave were not yet in the world! .. ”His voice was dying and trembling with fear. “How can we think about the Cossacks something bad! Those are not ours at all, those that are rented in Ukraine! By God, not ours! It’s not at all the idioms: the devil knows what. Something that just does not give a damn about him, and quit! So they will say the same. Is it not a helmet, or are you, Shmul? ”

        (Gogol N.V. Selected Works. St. Petersburg, 1998. S. 138 - 142).
        1. Professor
          Professor 31 December 2017 17: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Silkway0026
          if we talk about SELF-NAMES, then perhaps the moderators will allow us to quote the great Russian writer N.V. Gogol?

          Was Gogol Jewish? Then where does the SELF-NAME, CEP? fool
          1. Silkway0026
            Silkway0026 31 December 2017 21: 47 New
            +1
            actually it’s a direct one of the characters. it is impossible to deny that this term was not used as a self-name.
            And then :
            english jew
            spanish judio
            french juif
            German Jude
            polish Żyd
            Hungarian zsidó
            Slovak žid
            Czech žid
            Danish jøde
            norwegian jew
            Portuguese judeu
            Dutch Jood
            Swedish Judisk
            Lithuanian Judėjas
            estonian juut

            As you can see, “Jew” or “ZHIDIO” is written and pronounced, well, in Swedish, “ZHIDIK”.
  32. turbris
    turbris 30 December 2017 21: 14 New
    0
    Quote: kirgiz58
    And how they sang in a branch on a raid on Khmeimim: "buy an iron dome and you will be happy." And now we say that finally we can intercept something. Fool! When pi .. balabolim? then or now?

    That’s why you all went ecstatic when comparing the Dome and the Shell, don’t you know that our former people are also developing air defense systems in Israel? Therefore, in these systems there are a lot of things very similar to each other, I do not know about the exchange of information, but similar elements are clearly visible.
    1. Strips
      Strips 31 December 2017 10: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: turbris
      What is the air defense system of Israel developing by our former people? Therefore, in these systems there are a lot of things very similar to each other, I do not know about the exchange of information, but similar elements are clearly visible.


      Fantasy.
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 31 December 2017 16: 00 New
        +1
        why did you come up against this Kumpol, when even Jews from time to time allow themselves to deviate from the "party line" and tell the truth about the effectiveness of this miracle:

        http://samsonblinded.org/newsru/11360
        http://parstoday.com/ru/news/middle_east-i30709
        http://maxpark.com/community/1270/content/1870275
  33. standan
    standan 30 December 2017 23: 03 New
    0
    [quote = MOLODCHIK] training. but the element base you still sucks))
    And tell us, custodian, about the great custodian element base. What are you releasing so unique there?
  34. turbris
    turbris 31 December 2017 15: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Tiras
    Fantasy.

    Well, if you knew how many scientists and designers from the former USSR military-industrial complex left for Israel, you would not think so.