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In Tula, opened a memorial plaque to the first Russian defense minister Pavel Grachev

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A memorial plaque was opened in Tula in honor of the Hero of the Soviet Union, Army General Pavel Grachev, the regional government’s press service reported on Friday.


The blackboard is installed on the facade of the school where he studied - now it is “Education Center No. XXUMX”. P. Grachev graduated from this school in 6 year. The school museum has a section dedicated to the ex-Minister of Defense, his contribution to the development of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Here are regularly held meetings with his fellow soldiers, relatives and classmates.

In Tula, opened a memorial plaque to the first Russian defense minister Pavel Grachev


The whole country knows Pavel Sergeyevich Grachev as a combat officer, paratrooper, a true patriot. Today we pay tribute to this courageous commander, opening a plaque in his honor
- said at the ceremony, the governor of the Tula region Alexey Dyumin.

Army General, Hero of the Soviet Union P. Grachev - born in the Tula region. Participated in hostilities in Afghanistan, was the commander of the airborne troops. In 1992-1996 - Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. He personally led the military operations of the Russian army in the Chechen Republic in 1994-1995.

P. Grachev was awarded two Orders of Lenin, two Orders of the Red Banner and the Order of the Red Star, the Orders For Personal Courage and Honor. He passed away on 23 on September 2012 of the year on 65's year of life. He was buried at the Novodevichy cemetery in Moscow.
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  1. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 17 New
    38
    With the same success, you can hang a memorial plaque to Hitler on Rublevka ... And what, in terms of the amount of damage done to Russia by Yeltsin and the company, perhaps surpassed the Third Reich ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 29 December 2017 14: 21 New
      32
      The general is military, of course, but in the 94th he really screwed up, and in 1993 ... However, he was not a politician and Yeltsin simply used it .... But this does not relieve him of responsibility! In this case, it was possible to wait a while with the tablet ...!
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2017 14: 29 New
        41
        Quote: Finches
        However, not a politician and Yeltsin just used it ....

        Yes, yes .. and "Pasha Mercedes" to him just stuck so .... purely by accident.
        1. Finches
          Finches 29 December 2017 14: 33 New
          11
          Sticks a shortcut of labor is not big! He was not a parquet general, but climbed into politics in which he didn’t understand nichrome, and broke ... Yes, and, apparently, he understood a lot later and I do not exclude that he left at 64 because of this ... Soldier blood always It sounds like no matter how cool a general you are ...
          1. 210ox
            210ox 29 December 2017 14: 47 New
            18
            We have quite a few good professionals in the army. But where do they go when they get into politics? Grachev, Lebed, Shamanov .. Vot Bondarev is now sweeping at the politician ... I’ve approached age, go on vacation with a clear conscience and military orders. And don’t seek fame in this political outhouse ..
            Quote: Finches
            Sticks a shortcut of labor is not big! He was not a parquet general, but climbed into politics in which he didn’t understand nichrome, and broke ... Yes, and, apparently, he understood a lot later and I do not exclude that he left at 64 because of this ... Soldier blood always It sounds like no matter how cool a general you are ...
          2. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 30 December 2017 19: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Finches
            Sticks a shortcut of labor is not big! He was not a parquet general, but climbed into politics, in which he did not understand nichrome, and broke loose ..

            Remember the first assault on Grozny?
            1. Finches
              Finches 30 December 2017 19: 28 New
              0
              Just carefully read the comment ... please! hi
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 30 December 2017 19: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                Just carefully read the comment ... please! hi

                I remember how my father and colleagues who went through the war were indignant. But Grachev is not a green lieutenant who needs to know how to take cities, but a minister. Ah, the board should be. Let the young generation know that there was such a “Pasha Mercedes with an airfield,” Yeltsin’s assistant.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 29 December 2017 14: 33 New
        17
        He screwed up first in the Flycatcher when the Black Sea Fleet drank!
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 December 2017 16: 08 New
        10
        Quote: Finches
        The general is military, of course, but in the 94th he really screwed up, and in 1993 ... However, he was not a politician and Yeltsin simply used it .... But this does not relieve him of responsibility! In this case, it was possible to wait a while with the tablet ...!

        The maximum that he pulled is the position of division commander, but not MO.
        1. Finches
          Finches 29 December 2017 17: 04 New
          +6
          We Shoigu not only a division, did not even command a platoon, but nothing that does something ... laughing
          1. Sewer krainiy
            Sewer krainiy 29 December 2017 21: 07 New
            +4
            The patriots of their homeland are commanding. But Pashka told EBN.u, we’ll take Chechnya with a paratrooper division ... and what happened. And Mercedes Pashka from where. Know or remind?
            1. Finches
              Finches 29 December 2017 21: 14 New
              +5
              I don’t think that you were present with all this, to assert with 100% probability. For example, Shamanov interprets this expression differently ... This is not even the case - there is no man, and he doesn’t have to, he’s shit right now - he’s not a politician, but a military man, and he won’t be able to justify himself! He, by and large, like many of us, is a hostage to those dashing 90s - a high-ranking, but a hostage! I’m not taking responsibility from him, but in this case it’s not worth it to go too far! He’s most likely already answered for himself where he should ... But for guys like Gorbachev and Yeltsin, demand must be in full!
              1. Sewer krainiy
                Sewer krainiy 29 December 2017 23: 14 New
                +4
                I was not present ... But the guys who were there and left the GSVG talked about trains with German vehicles going in our direction. They talked about him ... And, about the "tagged" and "drunk" - I agree.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 29 December 2017 23: 20 New
                  +1
                  But who is not without sin then ... But now this does not play a special role - everyone carried the GSVG as much as possible. That's life! The country was crumbling, the mood was from ordinary to marshal — that they betrayed, and they lived one day! So here, to whom and throw a stone — those who sold weapons to third countries, they really did it in vain! Not good .. .Softly say! So and then, here stood behind this, I think, the first persons of the state ... Let's not talk about it! There is no direct evidence and there is nothing to scratch your tongue! hi
      4. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 29 December 2017 18: 20 New
        +3
        No, a sign is needed. Only on it all the achievements of Pasha Mercedes must be written. And about the capture of Grozny by one regiment in the 1994 year, too.
        1. Andrei
          Andrei 30 December 2017 03: 52 New
          +3
          Probably if you count those who took Kabul, then it’s just typed into the regiment, and 345th Guards Special Operations Regiment paratroopers took part in the capture of important objects in the city. and if everything was done wisely and on time, then Grozny could be taken straight in one regiment.
      5. alekc73
        alekc73 29 December 2017 19: 24 New
        +7
        They don’t speak badly about the dead. But Grozny, January 1995. It is impossible to forget, it is impossible to forgive.
        1. Theodore
          Theodore 29 December 2017 20: 35 New
          +2
          Except the truth! But she is bitter!
        2. Sewer krainiy
          Sewer krainiy 29 December 2017 21: 11 New
          +4
          They say nothing about the dead, or the truth. So right, the rest is invented.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 29 December 2017 14: 23 New
      +8
      Hang, and even put up a monument - not far off will be this shameful action!
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 28 New
        +8
        Here I am talking about ... We have already heard the anti-Russian speech of a Ukrainian schoolchild in Germany, and this schoolchildren has not even been deprived of Russian citizenship ... Where further ...
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 29 December 2017 14: 33 New
          +7
          Quote: Nemesis
          .Anti-Russian performance of a Ukrainian student in Germany

          What Ukrainian student, what are you talking about? belay
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 35 New
            +5
            And in your opinion, a person with that surname, by nationality who ?! Is it not a Ukrainian ?!
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 29 December 2017 14: 41 New
              +6
              I don’t even want to comment on your opus!
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 29 December 2017 14: 44 New
                +8
                But I don’t see that you write neither truth, nor logic ... The fact that in the Russian Federation is full of Russophobia patients with foreign citizenship of the Russian Federation, who either make anti-Russian appearances in Germany, then they blow up the metro in St. Petersburg, then they make mess in the cities of Russia, as in Hatkovo and Kandapog, apparently remains a secret only for the United Russia party, which, when in power, is responsible for this whole mess
                1. Chichikov
                  Chichikov 29 December 2017 14: 58 New
                  +1
                  Logic and truth, not sisters! In which country does a monolithic social society exist?
                  1. Fitter
                    Fitter 29 December 2017 15: 24 New
                    +3
                    In the DPRK and Switzerland.
                2. eaz
                  eaz 30 December 2017 10: 53 New
                  0
                  what is your last name ???
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 29 December 2017 14: 49 New
              11
              I also have a Ukrainian surname! I'M RUSSIAN! What would you say if the same boy had the last name Ivanov?
              1. Mik13
                Mik13 29 December 2017 15: 41 New
                12
                Quote: Nemesis
                Here I am talking about ... We have already heard the anti-Russian speech of a Ukrainian schoolchild in Germany, and this schoolchildren has not even been deprived of Russian citizenship ... Where further ...

                Quote: Nemesis
                And in your opinion, a person with that surname, by nationality who ?! Is it not a Ukrainian ?!


                Quote: housewife
                I also have a Ukrainian surname! I'M RUSSIAN! What would you say if the same boy had the last name Ivanov?

                Well, if you suddenly did not notice, that is exactly what Nazism actually looks like. Just some manifestations - they are so incomprehensible and visually harmless.
                But this is precisely Nazism, I dare to assure you. The most that neither is.
                PS
                By the way, especially for the gifted. If you follow this logic, then Alexander Prokhorenko, Hero of Russia posthumously, is also Ukrainian by nationality, judging by his last name. Maybe he, too, would be deprived of his citizenship for this? Posthumously? And his children can be in life. And deport to their historical homeland in Kiev. BUT?
                1. Nemesis
                  Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 05 New
                  +6
                  By the way, especially for the gifted ... In 2008, the FSB of Russia detained a colonel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, a Georgian by nationality, for espionage in favor of Georgia ... The nationalities in the Russian Federation are unreliable and this Ukrainian’s anti-Russian appearance in Germany confirms this again ...
                  1. Mik13
                    Mik13 29 December 2017 17: 34 New
                    11
                    Quote: Nemesis
                    The nationalities in the Russian Federation are unreliable and the anti-Russian speech of this Ukrainian in Germany once again confirms this ...

                    Vlasov, if anything, was Russian. And Krasnov too.
                    Yes, Yeltsin and Grachev (on the board which article) are not Georgians.
                    And Gorbachev, too, is never a "national leader."
                    That Stalin was a "national man." As he called himself, "Russian of Georgian origin." It turned out to be very unreliable ... It was necessary to deprive him of his citizenship in advance and to send him to Georgia. By the way, one Hero of Russia of Chechen nationality proposes this - it is necessary, he says, to take Stalin's ashes to Georgia and bury them there. Do you agree with him? Or let it lie still in Moscow?
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                    2. Nemesis
                      Nemesis 30 December 2017 18: 34 New
                      0
                      ROA Germans formed from the Soviet national minorities such as Naumenko and von Lampe
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 18: 54 New
                        0
                        Quote: Nemesis
                        such as Naumenko

                        and you know who in RI called Russian?
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                  3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 08: 54 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Nemesis
                    In 2008, the FSB of Russia detained a colonel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, a Georgian by nationality, for espionage in favor of Georgia

                    Oleg Danilovich Kalugin - RUSSIAN
                    Quote: Nemesis
                    The nationalities in the Russian Federation are unreliable

                    Valeria Novodvorskaya - the reliability of the wrong and pearl
                    1. Nemesis
                      Nemesis 30 December 2017 18: 00 New
                      0
                      So, the Novodvorskaya Russophobia patient is a Polish girl, which once again confirms my belief that it’s not worth completely trusting people like her ....
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 18: 30 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Nemesis
                        that people like her should not be completely trusted ....

                        to the Poles ?!
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 18: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Nemesis
                        Polish girl

                        you would have more knowledge, you look stupid and would stop
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                    1. a housewife
                      a housewife 30 December 2017 10: 56 New
                      +5
                      Once again I am surprised! Well, who cares what nationality a person is! Nationality is parents, but they are not chosen! Also, parents did not choose. And in any nationality there are normal people, but there are louts and Judas, thieves, murderers, etc. There are always more normal ones. Why look at nationality, each person should be considered separately, judged by actions. People are not a herd of sheep, each is individual. At least - who has a nickname here. Someone is proud of their last name. Why not. I personally immediately became a housewife. The site is male, military, I’m not trying to make myself an expert in military affairs, I’m just curious here. Others take nicknames that somehow express their perception of themselves in the world, often humor. Nemesis. Goddess of vengeance and retribution. To whom and for what does this man who calls himself Nemesis avenge? Nemesis protects order. This man does not protect order; he defends enmity. Even if he begins to be called differently, then according to his statements he will be quickly calculated.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 11: 21 New
                        +1
                        Quote: housewife
                        I personally immediately became a housewife.
                        hi
                      2. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 27 New
                        +1
                        In the United States, a person accepting US citizenship vows to defend the United States with weapons in his hands, including from his historical homeland, if he is a migrant ... In Russia, the situation is different ... Today in Russia there are many patriots of foreign states suffering from Russophobia who are ready at the front shoot us in the back, like this Bandera schoolboy, and this is not right and unacceptable ... The fact that foreigners hostile to Russia have Russian citizenship is a crime of the existing state system against Russia, on the verge of absurdity ... which will again come up with a big RF problems ...
              2. Nemesis
                Nemesis 29 December 2017 15: 43 New
                +3
                He would say that he only has a Russian surname ... But this Bandera is typical ... and this is not the place in the Russian Federation ....
              3. weksha50
                weksha50 29 December 2017 20: 45 New
                +8
                Quote: housewife
                I also have a Ukrainian surname! I'M RUSSIAN! What would you say if the same boy had the last name Ivanov?


                I also spoke about my surname more than once ... And that I - Russian by birth, territory and spirit - also ... But people like Nemesis stir up the water in society, incite hostility from scratch ...
                In / in Ukraine, even in the Rada and in the government, there are a lot of people with purely Russian surnames, which does not prevent them from being ardent, frenzied Russophobes ...
                Some petty, stupid Black Hundreds ... Ugh!
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 15: 41 New
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              Quote: Nemesis
              And in your opinion, a person with that surname, by nationality who ?! Is it not a Ukrainian ?!

              fool
              I am Russian and I will give in the face to anyone who will dispute it, Russian is not a cut of the eyes, not the color of the hair, and even less the last name
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 29 December 2017 15: 45 New
                +3
                If you consider the body with the Ukrainian surname and Bandera antics Russian, then you are not Russian ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 16: 00 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  And in your opinion, a person with that surname, by nationality who ?! Is it not a Ukrainian ?!

                  it is YOU nationality you consider by name, so that you do not need to change shoes
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 03 New
                    +1
                    And here nationality, both by surname and by anti-Russian activity, is understandable to everyone except you, apparently ... A typical Russophobe and Bandera ...
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 16: 05 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      And here nationality, both by surname and by anti-Russian activity, is quite understandable to everyone except you apparently ...

                      Well, judging by the comments, only you can understand

                      Quote: Nemesis
                      Typical Russophobe and Bandera ...

                      Who are you now ?!
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 29 December 2017 16: 08 New
                        +3
                        It’s clear not only to me, judging by the parties that were not allowed in the Russian Federation before the elections ... They forbid, it means they are afraid in the Kremlin that people will vote for them, and not for those who turn Russia into a passage yard, for foreign bandits, such as this Bandera schoolboy lost in the Russian Federation
                2. Letun
                  Letun 29 December 2017 19: 16 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  If you consider the body with the Ukrainian surname and Bandera antics Russian, then you are not Russian ...

                  Well, specifically your comments prove only one thing, idiots and people are in every nation request
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 29 December 2017 21: 17 New
                    0
                    My comments only say that Russia is getting smarter and the heads of Russians are being freed from Soviet scam ...
                    1. Letun
                      Letun 30 December 2017 00: 51 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      My comments only say that Russia is getting smarter and the heads of Russians are being freed from Soviet scam ...

                      It’s only a pity that you stayed away from this process. Depriving schoolchildren of citizenship, before that even in the scoop would not have thought lol
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 30 December 2017 09: 03 New
                        0
                        Such Russian schoolchildren were burned alive in Odessa .... You are trying on the role of devil's advocates for us, and probably not without reason ... People like you are there, they pay taxes on the ATO and loot in the APU .... love for Bandera ...
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 08: 57 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      and Russian heads are freed from shovels of deception ...

                      young lady, oh sorry, not a young lady, but from what deception did you personally free yourself?
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 30 December 2017 09: 04 New
                        0
                        From the deception which the Russian people were stuffed stealing from him Crimea, Donbass, Odessa, Faithful and other Russian lands ....
            4. Captain Nemo
              Captain Nemo 29 December 2017 17: 01 New
              +2
              Yes, eat a Jew right away,
            5. ando_bor
              ando_bor 29 December 2017 17: 18 New
              +1
              Kohl is not guilty, Stalin is guilty, did not outweigh all the Nazis as war criminals, so they had to die as innocent prisoners of war, and Kohl only told the Germans that Stalin bequeathed - the Germans need to tell Stalin's wills, the Germans begin to forget them.
        2. Finches
          Finches 29 December 2017 14: 47 New
          +6
          Nemesis

          Let's shoot him publicly - in the Olympic, for example, as in China! laughing
          1. Vasya Vassin
            Vasya Vassin 29 December 2017 16: 01 New
            +5
            I support. Then we burn it on a gas burner, mix the ashes with manure and shoot towards POLAND!
        3. Letun
          Letun 29 December 2017 19: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Nemesis
          this student was not even deprived of citizenship of the Russian Federation ... Where further ...

          Did you quarrel with your head there? Maybe it was necessary to shoot? Oh, you’re not living at that time, such as you turned 36 well ...
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 34 New
            0
            Such students have already deployed in Odessa, burned dozens of Russians alive ...
        4. Antares
          Antares 29 December 2017 23: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Nemesis
          performance of a Ukrainian student in Germany

          Nikolai Desyatnichenko is a native Russian by the parents of Russians.
          But by the pike, all the "bad" people for the crowd always have the citizenship of Ukraine, a US grant, Hitler’s handbook and something else from the Jews ...
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 33 New
            0
            Dyatyrenko - a Bandera of Ukrainian descent and his beliefs did not come from scratch ... I’m sure the whole family of this schoolchild is sick with Russophobia and Bandera, because the apple from the apple tree does not fall far ...
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 17: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: Nemesis
              Dyatyrenko - a Bandera of Ukrainian descent and his beliefs did not come from scratch ... I’m sure the whole family of this schoolchild is sick with Russophobia and Bandera, because the apple from the apple tree does not fall far ...

              you would have to heal, although I think it will not make sense
              I’ve already spoken about stake in my time, there’s no reason to chew on a new one,
              but you are a patriot, it’s not clear which gender is very strange
              on the one hand take offense at the young lady and declare that it seems like the masculine sex on the other, take a nickname with a female name
              on the one hand you tear a vest on your chest proving your Russianness; on the other hand, your nickname is the name of the Greek goddess, although the Slavs have their own goddess of revenge

              weird you people
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 53 New
                0
                You are treating your fellow countryman Desyatrenko about Bandera and Russophobia, although I think that they should treat him in the fresh air, under the supervision of the Federal Penitentiary Service of the Russian Federation, somewhere in Anadyr, or Magadan ... together with his family, because they are all Bandera ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 18: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  You are your fellow countryman

                  but why did you decide that Kolya-Wehrmacht comes from Alma-Ata?
    3. Rusland
      Rusland 29 December 2017 21: 22 New
      +9
      On the wall of the school where Kolya studies, you must also install a sign: "HERE TEACHED KOLA."
    4. 1 Navigator
      1 Navigator 30 December 2017 08: 59 New
      +1
      The whole country knows Mercedes Pasha as a thief and a traitor.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 December 2017 14: 22 New
    +7
    Now the forum users will pour cars of the black man, the reaction to this shame with the board may be different, but most importantly, remain people, do not get personal, and do not cling to grammatical errors! hi
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 29 December 2017 14: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: Herkulesich
      and don't cling to gramsоical errors!

      We will cling! wink the test word is grammar.
      Our tongue is sweet, pure, and puffy, and rich;
      But poorly we bring into it a good warehouse;
      So that by ignorance we are not dishonored,
      We need to fix our entire warehouse a little. yes
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 29 December 2017 14: 50 New
      +6
      Negative and grammatical .... hi
    3. just exp
      just exp 29 December 2017 15: 09 New
      +3
      now the State Department freshman again lit up with his pro-American look.
      You are here to tell us about the valiant rebels from Ichkeria who fought against the white barbarians invaders.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 29 December 2017 15: 24 New
        +2
        Is it just that you’ve made an attack on whose address? Or does pseudo-paoriotism strike, does the roof smoke? ??
        1. just exp
          just exp 29 December 2017 15: 55 New
          +1
          but lol, by the way, according to the methodology, the State Department recommended that everyone mow under the patriots, since liberalism failed, so Liberal bots have USSR symbols on ava and in signatures everywhere.
          1. ando_bor
            ando_bor 29 December 2017 17: 56 New
            0
            Quote: just EXPL
            according to the training manual, the State Department recommended that everyone mow under patriots

            Yes, the State Department gives money to everyone for “your just cause”, they only kindled it more,
            having been defeated on the liberal front, those who took the money have completely discredited themselves, are paying more and more attention to patriots, I’m watching State Deputies trolls for Grudinin’s blowing, the boy Kolya is being untwisted, and about the Olympics, his hair is torn in hysterics. There is a war against Russia, who said that they will not shoot at us, Crimea and Syria will be forgiven, they will just give Ukraine away - will they dust their hair with ash and crawl away right away?
  3. Greenwood
    Greenwood 29 December 2017 14: 22 New
    +6
    They there in the government and the State Duma completely went off the hike. Otherwise, I cannot explain this conveyor of monuments and memorial tablets to dubious persons.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 29 December 2017 14: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: Greenwood
      They there in the government and the State Duma completely went roof

      The board was hung on the school by decree of the government?
      1. Fitter
        Fitter 29 December 2017 15: 25 New
        0
        I will not be surprised :(
  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 14: 24 New
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    According to a number of media reports, in November 1994, a number of personnel officers of the Russian army, with the knowledge of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, took part in hostilities on the side of forces opposed to Chechen President Dzhokhar Dudaev. Several Russian officers were captured. The Minister of Defense, denying his awareness of the participation of his subordinates in the hostilities on the territory of Chechnya, called the captured officers deserters and mercenaries and said that Grozny could be captured in two hours by the forces of one paratrooper regiment.
    1. Sewer krainiy
      Sewer krainiy 29 December 2017 21: 29 New
      0
      +++ Just do not remember - a division or regiment.
    2. albert
      albert 30 December 2017 20: 58 New
      0
      On REN TV, recently, in “Military Secret”, there was a curious story about the storming of Grozny’s New Year. They claimed that shortly before the operation, by teletype from the Kremlin, someone gave Dudaev maps of plans for the storming of the city. If this is true, then this is a complete kayuk.
  5. skomfit
    skomfit 29 December 2017 14: 24 New
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    Of this type, the sea of ​​guys fell into the first Chechen one, he would have to put a monument in the form of an aspen stake, he and General Lebed for the conclusion of a shameful world, when there was a step before our victory.
  6. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 29 December 2017 14: 27 New
    +3
    I understand. And time was like that and the situation. But if he had personally led the entry of troops into Chechnya and took responsibility for every dead person. I would take off my hat. And so .....
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 14: 31 New
      +7
      Quote: vladimirvn
      I understand

      but I don’t understand what was happening, ordinary people could not understand, but in 91 he specifically changed the oath, I wonder if two orders of Lenin did not burn the chest?
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 29 December 2017 14: 59 New
        +7

        And most importantly, on the eve of such a date. What's this? Another spit?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 December 2017 17: 34 New
          0
          How much did ours lose in equipment and people during the storming of Grozny?
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          2. albert
            albert 30 December 2017 21: 00 New
            0
            The official numbers are 2500 people.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 29 December 2017 21: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and he specifically changed the oath in 91


        And, interestingly, about this fact no one even mentions ... In fact, this was the beginning of his Marshall-Mercedes career ... Human memory is short-lived ... hi
  7. fa2998
    fa2998 29 December 2017 14: 37 New
    +9
    Quote: Nemesis
    With the same success, you can hang a memorial plaque to Hitler on Rublevka ... And what, in terms of the amount of damage done to Russia by Yeltsin and the company, perhaps surpassed the Third Reich ...

    It was necessary to write - “Pasha Mercedes”, and everyone would understand what kind of figure the board was hung. They didn’t plant a bad thing, but now they magnify it! Forgot what things you turned? negative hi
  8. moskowit
    moskowit 29 December 2017 14: 46 New
    +8
    But Marshal Akhromeev Sergey Fedorovich, the true Patriot of Russia, who was killed for his allegiance to the Oath, does not put any boards ....
  9. Cobra77
    Cobra77 29 December 2017 14: 52 New
    +9
    Board, Pasha Mercedes? And we laugh at our brothers. Our Ukrainization is also in full swing.
  10. anjey
    anjey 29 December 2017 14: 54 New
    +2
    fortunately, it’s a pity the blood on him is a lot of boys in 1995, the new year ..., in vain, why not this board to our parents ... who should be honored there ....
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 December 2017 15: 00 New
    12
    Pasha Mercedes? Who stated that he did not send our fighters to Chechnya.
    Damn, or well, we have very bad memory
    either we hold ourselves for Mr.
    I hope that they come to their senses and take off. like a board to Manerheim.
    1. Sewer krainiy
      Sewer krainiy 29 December 2017 21: 34 New
      +1
      They won’t take it off. And the center of Ebn.a will remain. If the power after the election does not change.
  12. Vetal999
    Vetal999 29 December 2017 15: 10 New
    +6
    This ....
    What kind of zhopilis.
  13. midshipman
    midshipman 29 December 2017 15: 15 New
    10
    They found someone to perpetuate. A shame. I have the honor.
  14. Doliva63
    Doliva63 29 December 2017 15: 32 New
    +7
    None of my comrades who served in the Airborne Forces praises him. While he was in service, still wherever he went, and then - sucks. This is not my opinion, but I agree with him. Among those who said so are officers from the Book of Honor of the Airborne Forces.
  15. alfa19638
    alfa19638 29 December 2017 15: 37 New
    +2
    a memorial plaque to Pasha Mercedes - I don’t want to have a power that makes such decisions
  16. mavrus
    mavrus 29 December 2017 15: 45 New
    +4
    And this is not the battle general who promised to take Grozny, I don’t remember ... either with two battalions in three days, or with three battalions in two days. It would be necessary to perpetuate this on a plate so that it is not forgotten.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2017 17: 37 New
      +1
      It is necessary to hang a tablet next to him with the achievements of this piece, with a list of the dead and wounded, during the storming of Grozny.
  17. private person
    private person 29 December 2017 15: 46 New
    +5
    Many mothers of Russian soldiers will remember Grachev’s birthday. What kind of upbringing of patriotism can we talk about when commemorative plaques are erected to such "honored" people. It would be better to erect a monument to those guys whom this minister sent New Years 94-95 to death.
  18. Romanenko
    Romanenko 29 December 2017 15: 49 New
    +1
    Very controversial personality.
    Probably someday, someone will write a book, or make a film about how the paratrooper hero Pavel Grachev, under the influence of circumstances, officials and internal turmoil, turned into a Mercedes Pasha, about circus aircraft carrier caps he invented, about roasted tobacco .. about a lot and a lot of things that would be nice to show how to say "garlic".
    Maybe the plaque is the first step on this difficult path?
    Who knows?
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 29 December 2017 21: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Romanenko
      Very controversial personality.
      Probably someday, someone will write a book, or make a film about how the hero is a paratrooper...


      Ahem ... Changed the oath (read the text of TOY, the Soviet oath), the Soviet government, thereby - helped to ruin the USSR state, which he swore, and helped to come to the "pedestal" of power EBN ... Thus abruptly become the "best of the best" defense ministers of the new-old state ...
      I hope there are normal people in Tula - they will not let me hang in school at the school of honor and honor ...
      1. Romanenko
        Romanenko 30 December 2017 23: 08 New
        0
        And I hope that just does not end
  19. Breard
    Breard 29 December 2017 16: 11 New
    +3
    it’s a pity that the military ... they did not shoot the freak.
  20. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 16: 11 New
    +3
    Nemesis,
    Nemesis,
    Quote: Nemesis
    It’s clear not only to me, judging by the parties that were not allowed in the Russian Federation before the elections ... They forbid, it means they are afraid in the Kremlin that people will vote for them, and not for those who turn Russia into a passage yard, for foreign bandits, such as this Bandera schoolboy lost in the Russian Federation

    young lady, there are no problems with the head? !!!
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 29 December 2017 17: 06 New
      0
      I don’t have it, I think you have it too, and you all perfectly understood ... Moreover, I’m sure that everything your party does, it does it consciously and consciously ... I believe that in due time, people who betrayed the St. Petersburg metro that exploded Kyrgyz citizenship of the Russian Federation, the tribunal will still be involved ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 17: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: Nemesis
        ... Moreover, I am sure that everything that your party does, it does consciously and consciously ...

        uh
        what is this? !!!!!!
        Quote: Nemesis
        I believe that in due time, persons who issued the citizenship of the Russian Federation that blew up the St. Petersburg metro

        I agree, moreover, I think that 90 percent of the Federal Migration Service and district cops should be planted right now
        but it has nothing to do with your speech
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 29 December 2017 17: 28 New
          0
          Yes, it’s directly connected, and the party that turns Russia into a front yard for foreign gangsters, this is United Russia and the FMS acts with the sanction of the Kremlin, distributing Russian citizenship to Russophobia-infected terrorists and bandits from (Kyrgyzstan) ... At one time, in the Crime program, they called the nationality and surname of the criminals, so who is the most poor in Russia has long been known ... you have the Internet, see for yourself ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 18: 00 New
            +3
            you would have the young lady concentrate, otherwise your answers are somehow not about the wrong way
            I will remind your quote around which the debate flared up
            Anti-Russian performance of a Ukrainian schoolboy in Germany ....
            .... And in your opinion, a person with that name, by nationality who ?! Is it not a Ukrainian ?!


            then you attributed some kind of party to me, jumped to EdRO, recalled crime in the diasporas
            you somehow decide what you mean
            1. Nemesis
              Nemesis 29 December 2017 18: 41 New
              0
              You should learn to talk normally with people, without rudeness, before writing to them ... And for me, EdRo is directly connected with ethnic crime, because it generates it, handing out Russian citizenship to foreigners suffering from Russophobia, who then blow up the metro in the Russian Federation
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2017 20: 04 New
                +4
                Quote: Nemesis
                talk with people, without rudeness

                mdaaaaa
                and where did I get you naughty? !!!
                Quote: Nemesis
                And for me, EdRo is directly related to ethnic crime.

                let's say, what does MY party have to do with it ?!
                Quote: Nemesis
                handing out Russian citizenship to foreigners suffering from Russophobia, who then explode in the Russian metro

                young lady again I repeat the question to you arose about your not very competent wording, that Kolya-Wehrmacht is a UKRAINIAN schoolchild.
                you can relate to Stalin, EP, FMS and everything else, but the above Russian student
                1. Nemesis
                  Nemesis 29 December 2017 21: 14 New
                  0
                  The young lady is your mother, I am not her, lord (good) ... For this, the conversation with you is over, your impudence is tired of me, to put it mildly ... On the street, you will not risk talking to anyone like that ... Your Kolya is a Ukrainian- Russophobe, one of many who need to be deprived of citizenship of the Russian Federation for Russophobia and anti-Russian activity ...
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  21. Signal
    Signal 29 December 2017 16: 20 New
    +3
    You fucked up guys just fucked up ...
  22. Romanenko
    Romanenko 29 December 2017 16: 21 New
    +6
    We must remember that it does not happen again.
    Serdyukov, too, would be nice to hang a plaque somewhere in the public toilet, only lower
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 29 December 2017 17: 20 New
      +3
      Even if they put monuments to Yeltsin and companies in sartirs, they have the right place
  23. tank66
    tank66 29 December 2017 16: 31 New
    0
    This is how Trotsky put monuments to Judah? Parallel-spiral .ugu. I see.
    1. TOPchymBA
      TOPchymBA 29 December 2017 16: 34 New
      +1
      Jude Monument is a fake.
      1. tank66
        tank66 29 December 2017 17: 09 New
        +1
        Is Medvedev Solzhenitsyn better?
        1. TOPchymBA
          TOPchymBA 29 December 2017 17: 29 New
          0
          This museum was done.
  24. TOPchymBA
    TOPchymBA 29 December 2017 16: 31 New
    0
    [media = https: //m.youtube.com/watch? v = 6bnKzPz3Rv4]

    This video correctly says that there will always be those who will do any abomination for money
    For which he installed a board.
  25. garnik
    garnik 29 December 2017 16: 41 New
    +1
    A bad or good story will judge. But he is the only one who agreed to head the Moscow Region during the Chechen company, the others urgently had unforeseen situations. And in support of the leader of the state, everyone was mistaken.
  26. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 29 December 2017 16: 46 New
    +2
    What the f ** xy n *** i? ..
  27. Megatron
    Megatron 29 December 2017 16: 54 New
    +5
    Scum. Nothing more to say.
  28. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 29 December 2017 16: 59 New
    +6
    On its rolling 3% set? Or for the budget? Survivors in the New Year's storming of Grozny called for the opening?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2017 17: 40 New
      +2
      They would unblock everyone who "discovered" the memory of the freak with this tile.
  29. APASUS
    APASUS 29 December 2017 17: 51 New
    +5
    "Pasha Mercedes" became famous during his lifetime with his exploits in the field of zakidonov. Despite the fact that he served in Afghanistan, the brain didn’t have enough to understand what he was signing for. He put the people on New Year's Day in Chechnya, and they opened the boards for him. Still, he would have cast a monument of gold in place with a Mercedes.
  30. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 29 December 2017 17: 59 New
    0
    .. On the one hand, Afghanistan ..
    On the other: Chechnya and the "organized" conclusion of the Western Group ..
    Board, for Afghanistan?
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 29 December 2017 18: 24 New
      +4
      Well, let the board open in Afghanistan.
  31. weksha50
    weksha50 29 December 2017 21: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: cobra77
    Board, Pasha Mercedes? And we laugh at our brothers. We have Ukrainization is also in full swing.


    We have - debilitation the younger generation ...
  32. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 December 2017 21: 10 New
    +1
    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    Porridge in Putin’s head, he doesn’t understand which country he lives in, as well as all these (Ukrainian) boys who organize anti-Russian performances in Germany ... In the USA, a person who obtains US citizenship vows to defend the USA with arms in his hands, including from his historical Motherland, if he is a migrant, and in Russia there are too many patriots of foreign countries suffering from Russophobia and this has long become a big problem that is obvious to everyone except Putin and the company
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 09: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Nemesis
      in Russia there are too many Russophobia patients of foreign patriots

      I don’t argue, though there are still a lot of sick people who have such a blizzard that you don’t know who they are worse or Russophobes, as the obliging fool says ...
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 37 New
        0
        In Russia, 84% of Russians, in second place in terms of the number of indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation are Tatars .... and we do not need foreigners to evaluate ... Evaluate the activities of your relatives in the Armed Forces and the Security Service of Ukraine
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 17: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Nemesis
          In Russia, 84% of Russians are in second place in terms of the number of indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation Tatars .... and we do not need estimates of foreigners ...

          and who is the foreigner here ?!
          I am a citizen of Russia, then you are a foreigner
          Quote: Nemesis
          .Evaluate the activities of your relatives in the Armed Forces and the Security Service of Ukraine

          you even dohtur not help
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 30 December 2017 18: 02 New
            0
            You are defending Bandera and the conclusion that you are more than obvious ... Apparently the Tenfold and Vasilenko about one berry field
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 18: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Nemesis
              You protect Bandera

              fool
              if you don’t give an example where, when and how I defended Bendera’s, I’m waiting for an apology for your lie
  33. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 29 December 2017 21: 17 New
    0
    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    That is not porridge ... wink age, apparently.
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 29 December 2017 21: 25 New
      +1
      Tell me who your friend is and I’ll tell you who you are ... You only confirm my point ... Among the republics of the scoop, the Russian Federation has no friends or allies
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 09: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Nemesis
        Among the republics of the scoop in the Russian Federation

        you live sick thanks to the "scoop"
        therefore bother choosing expressions
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 38 New
          0
          This scoop still lives at the expense of and to the detriment of Russia, continuing to overeat it .... Moreover, instead of thanks to the Russian Federation, foreigners suffering from Russophobia, from the countries of the former scoop, coming to Russia blow up the metro in Russia ... This Russophobia-sick scoop continues to occupy Russian lands and genocide of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation in the occupied Soviet territory
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 17: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Nemesis
            This scoop and today lives at the expense of and to the detriment of Russia, continuing to overeat it ....

            fool
            Quote: Nemesis
            This scoop sick with Russophobia continues the occupation of Russian lands and genocide of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation in the occupied Soviet territories

            I won’t be surprised at all if it suddenly turns out that you go with a shaved head and ziguyut when meeting with the same ....

            the only thing I am surprised at is the local moderators
            1. Nemesis
              Nemesis 30 December 2017 18: 04 New
              0
              I am amazed at the Russian government, which keeps all your Sobchak and DyatirenO, who should have been rotting in prison for a long time under article 280 of the Criminal Code, at least ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 18: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Nemesis
                all your Sobchak and the Ten

                mdaaaa
                клиника
  34. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 29 December 2017 22: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Nemesis
    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    Porridge in Putin’s head, he doesn’t understand which country he lives in, as well as all these (Ukrainian) boys who organize anti-Russian performances in Germany ... In the USA, a person who obtains US citizenship vows to defend the USA with arms in his hands, including from his historical Motherland, if he is a migrant, and in Russia there are too many patriots of foreign countries suffering from Russophobia and this has long become a big problem that is obvious to everyone except Putin and the company

    At the end of the American-Vietnamese war (let’s say so) anti-war sentiments rose sharply in America (rallies, demonstrations, refusal of military service), which helped its end, America lost. We concluded: patriotic education, we see the results.
    The Soviet Union, the 90s, and now, sprinkle ashes on our heads, repent, repent - we see the results ...
  35. Antares
    Antares 29 December 2017 23: 42 New
    0
    about the dead either good or nothing.
    This rule cannot be respected, remembering the same TV and news from Chechnya ...
    They said higher than this person was “remembered”.
  36. health
    health 30 December 2017 01: 40 New
    +1
    spineless MO, afraid to protest Yeltsin, and therefore sent the boys to the formidable. Pasha Mercedes! afghan- honor and praise! but where does the failed MO? I am silent about corruption. I will support the demolition of this board as not a traitor, but a person who does not deserve this honor.
  37. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 30 December 2017 04: 29 New
    0
    A little later, Chubais will be erected a monument.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 30 December 2017 08: 19 New
      +1
      Desirable tombstone, on a fresh grave.
  38. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 09: 49 New
    +1
    Nemesis,
    Quote: Nemesis
    From the deception which the Russian people were stuffed stealing from him Crimea, Donbass, Odessa, Faithful and other Russian lands ....

    how old are you?!!!
    didn’t you know that these are Russian cities ?!
  39. garik77
    garik77 30 December 2017 14: 14 New
    +2
    He personally led the hostilities of the Russian army in the Chechen Republic in 1994-1995.

    More precisely, that I lost everything ..
  40. Dormidont
    Dormidont 30 December 2017 14: 41 New
    +1
    Initially, it might not have been a bad officer. But after in Yeltsinism, he was soiled head over heels that he did not wash himself to death. And now, together with a three-fingered drunk, you know, in one pan in hell is fried. Everything is like Mannerheim.
  41. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 17: 44 New
    +1
    Nemesis,
    Quote: Nemesis
    In the United States, a person accepting US citizenship vows to defend the United States with weapons in his hands, including from his historical Homeland, if he is a migrant ...

    in the USA you would have justified yourself in court with your statements about nationalities
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 30 December 2017 17: 55 New
      +1
      In the United States for speaking out against the United States, the Otatyrenko family would have at least been deprived of a residence permit in the United States ... In the United States, those who oppose the United States are quickly deported from the United States ...
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      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 18: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Nemesis
        In the United States for speaking out against the United States, the Otatyrenko family would have at least been deprived of a residence permit in the United States

        I repeat once again, you yourself in the United States would have been on trial
        Quote: Nemesis
        Family of Ten

        I understand that this is a subtle hint of nationality? !!!!
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 30 December 2017 18: 20 New
          0
          In the USA, during the Second World War, all Japanese, including those with US citizenship, were driven to a concentration camp before the end of the war .... There, the state punishes very clearly and severely any manifestation of loyalty to the US hostile state and even takes proactive preventive measures ....
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 18: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Nemesis
            In the USA during the Second World War, all Japanese, including those with US citizenship, were driven to a concentration camp before the end of the war ....

            this is what? !!!!
            By the way, I can say about one more idiotic case in the USA, a Japanese was lynched there for giving signals to Japanese submarines, though the situation was idiotic that there were more than 200 miles to the coast, I think the court was arranged the same as you

            Among the first aggressors were defenders of the Brest Fortress - regiment commander Major A. Dulkait, medical lieutenant colonel E. Kroll, lieutenant colonel G. Schmidt, senior lieutenant A. Wagenleitner, foreman V. Meyer, privates N. Kyung, G. Killing, 3. Miller
            1. Nemesis
              Nemesis 30 December 2017 19: 03 New
              0
              I’m really tired of you, that’s why I am writing to you one last time and point by point .... 1) I wrote that the Russian family of people with Russophobia, the Desyatyrenko family, the Bandera family, is anti-Russian, lives .... You began to claim that they, supposedly Russian ... There are no Russian Bandera, there are no Russian Bandera, with Russian surnames ... And here the surname and contents are far from Russia and I don’t understand why such people are not yet deprived of a residence permit in the Russian Federation for anti-Russian activities and they weren’t sent to their historical Motherland ... You were outraged by my views, but these are your problems ... 2) German and Japanese submarines drowned the transport ships of the United States and its allies, including off the coast of the United States and if the Japanese were shot in the United States, helped Japan in the war against the United States, from the point of view of the United States this is a completely justified measure of influence, according to the laws of wartime ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 19: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: Nemesis
                I wrote that in Russia lives a family of Russophobia Desyatirenko

                You wrote that KOLA UKRAINIAN SCHOOLBOARD
                after you started to carry the Nazi heresy that all the national enemies of Russia
                Quote: Nemesis
                You outraged my views

                and it was your Nazi statements that revolted me, about Georgians, about Ukrainians, and about other Russian citizens
                you are a Nazi, and what a stupid and uneducated
                Quote: Nemesis
                German and Japanese submarines sank the transport ships of the United States and its allies, including off the coast of the United States, and if in the United States they shot a Japanese who helped Japan in the war against the United States, then from the point of view of the United States this is a completely justified measure of influence, according to the laws of wartime. ..

                and this phrase only confirms your stupidity; the person could not give light signals to the ice for being 300 miles from the shore
                study and then we can discuss hi
                1. Nemesis
                  Nemesis 30 December 2017 19: 22 New
                  0
                  Your schoolboy’s anti-Russian statements and espionage in favor of Georgia only confirm that I’m right, and you have only emotions and an attempt to clear up dirty affairs such as they are in the Russian Federation. I don’t need to write more, everyone will be of their own opinion ... By the way, another one called to the Ukrainian Embassy and reported on the movement of the Russian troops in Russia ... So enough for you to try on the role of the devil’s lawyer ... These people commit criminal offenses in the Russian Federation ... and I sincerely hope that the time will come when they will be punished for them deserved
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 19: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Nemesis
                    Your student’s anti-Russian statements and espionage in favor of Georgia

                    are you raving ?!
                    this student is definitely not mine, although Russian
                    By the way, and who is Georgian shpёyon? !!!
                    Quote: Nemesis
                    . So that's enough for you to try on the role of advocate for the devil ...

                    you are not breakable, the Wehrmacht’s stake was discussed a month ago, and the discussion was tough, find the archive and read what I said
                    1. Nemesis
                      Nemesis 30 December 2017 20: 03 New
                      0
                      And you read about the colonel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, of Georgian nationality, who was tied up by the FSB of the Russian Federation, in 2008, for espionage in favor of Georgia ... All these housewives who called the Ukrainian embassy and reported there the criminals who were wartime awaits the death penalty and certainly they do not identify with Russia, which means they are not Russian ...
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 December 2017 20: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Nemesis
                        And you read about the colonel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, of Georgian nationality, who was tied up by the FSB of the Russian Federation, in 2008, for espionage in favor of Georgia ...

                        once again for those who are in the tank
                        there was such a general, well, a pure Georgian Kalugin, he has a surname
                        but there is another General - Timur Avtandilovich Apakidze
  42. Brushing
    Brushing 30 December 2017 18: 17 New
    +1
    I hope the relatives and friends of the dead in Chechnya know what to do with the enta tablet .... hi
  43. Nemesis
    Nemesis 31 December 2017 12: 20 New
    0
    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    You do not confuse a scoop with the Russian Federation. The scoop is no longer and the lion's share of all these (Georgians) considers themselves patriots of their independent states, not Russia ... They even living in Russia hang out the flags of their independent states in their cars. These people are unreliable and that they spy on military units in RF, and then they call the Ukrainian Embassy saying that I’m right ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2017 13: 30 New
      0
      you don’t even have cereal in your head - KISEL
      and what’s most interesting is all with a minimum of knowledge
      Quote: Nemesis
      You do not confuse a scoop with the Russian Federation

      yes that's for sure, unfortunately the Russian Federation is still a pale shadow of the Union
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 31 December 2017 17: 16 New
        0
        The Russian Federation, this is the Russian Federation, and your independent states of the former scoop should live at their own expense, and not at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation ... It’s inconspicuous that you can read at all, and if you can, you haven’t read anything other than all sorts of nonsense, such as works Solzhenitsyn and his kind .... You prefer to notice exclusively what you like and fit into your Wishlist, ignoring everything that doesn't fit into them and regularly try on the role of the devil's advocate, defending the openly criminal tricks of your fellow countrymen in Russia and against Russia ... Yes, calls to the Ukrainian Embassy to inform about the movement of military units in Russia are a crime and they cannot be called Russians, they are patriots of a foreign country who have lost their way in the Russian Federation ... they are sick with Russophobia, which does not belong in the Russian Federation
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2017 18: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Nemesis
          ... It’s imperceptible that you can read at all, and if you can, you haven’t read anything but all sorts of nonsense, such as the works of Solzhenitsyn and others like him ....

          unlike you, I can not only scatter ... in different directions, but also stick the same isaich into his bullshit with his nose, with what reason
          Quote: Nemesis
          ..You prefer to notice exclusively what you like and fit into your Wishlist, ignoring everything

          But can you specifically with examples ?!
          Quote: Nemesis
          regularly try on the role of devil's advocate, defending the openly criminal tricks of your fellow countrymen in Russia and against Russia ...

          here again, indiscriminate nonsense where and when I defended the Kazakhstanis acting against Russia