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How much do attempts to break trade relations with Russia cost Kiev?

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Natalya Mikolskaya, the trade representative of Ukraine, in an interview with the European edition of the European Truth, reported an increase in trade turnover between Ukraine and Russia. At the same time, Mikolskaya said that Russia formally is not that trade partner for Ukraine, in which Kiev would be extremely interested in close trade and economic relations, and immediately added that this is not particularly important for business.


How much do attempts to break trade relations with Russia cost Kiev?


From the statement of Natalia Mikolskaya:
The increase in our trade with the Russian Federation says two things. The fact that both in the market of the Russian Federation there are goods that Ukraine needs, and in the market of Ukraine there are goods that Russia needs. And the business will always buy what is more profitable to him at the moment, and what he can buy at a low price with the best conditions for the supply of such goods.


Further, Ms. Mikolskaya is trying to blame Russia for the fact that Ukraine is losing at least 1 billion dollars in exports per year from various types of restrictions on trade. At the same time, the trade representative of Ukraine in a strange way forgets that it is the Ukrainian authorities who on any occasion declare the refusal of full-fledged trade and economic relations with the Russian Federation to be a boon to the Ukrainian economy. It also “forgets” that Ukraine was the first to impose economic sanctions on Russia.

If Ukraine loses at least 1 billion in exports a year, then it turns out that Ukraine does not benefit from euro-association and visa-free travel. How so?..
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  1. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2017 06: 21
    11
    Faithful dear gallop, brothers! It would be nice to calculate how much we earn from stopping subsidizing the Ukrainian economy. For example, instead of developing our production, all these years we have enriched Ukrainians by placing orders at Ukrainian plants and factories, as well as selling gas to our “brothers” at a discount. Take at least the same aircraft engines. Not to make these orders at Russian factories, but ordered from Ukrainians. Or selling gas to the "brothers" lower than their Russians. As a result, the cost of goods produced on cheap gas was lower than the cost of similar goods produced on gas at commercial prices in Russia, as a result, Ukrainian goods were dumped on the Russian market and squeezed Russian goods. Take at least the same Ukrainian steel, which was cheaper than Russian with the same quality, and therefore Russian industrialists preferred to buy Ukrainian steel.
    1. Sergeant71
      Sergeant71 29 December 2017 06: 35
      +4
      Now Dombass is fully armed with our content. Little has changed. Gas has never been sold below domestic prices. Where did these fantasies come from? Gas was supplied to them slightly below the European price, but with post payment. Because of what, there were the famous gas conflicts when they delayed payment and bargained for a lower price. As a result, Tymoshenko, who signed unprofitable contracts for them at almost the euro price and even with prepayment, as in the EU, "sat down" with Yanyka for this, accused of lobbying for the interests of the Russian Federation.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2017 06: 47
        +5
        From 1992 to 2005, Russia sold gas at 50 bucks, which is why the expression "gas to write" came from there as the dream of hohlopolitikov. But in connection with the first Maidan, relations deteriorated sharply, and Russia began to tie the price of gas to oil, as to all buyers. https://ru.slovoidilo.ua/2016/02/12/infografika/j
        ekonomika / kak-menyalas-cena-rossijskogo-gaza-dlya
        -ukrainy-na-protyazhenii-24-let
        In Moscow, a thousand cubic meters of gas costs 3600 rubles, about $ 60. https://neftegaz.ru/news/view/162293-S-1-iyulya-2
        017-g-optovye-tseny-na-gaz-dlya-promyshlennyh-pot
        rebiteley-budut-proindeksirovany-na-39
        As you can see, Gazprom was giving the “brothers” a discount and selling them gas cheaper than Russian consumers. So it is not necessary to argue that gas was more expensive for Ukrainians than for Russians.
        1. loginovich
          loginovich 29 December 2017 08: 13
          +5
          But it doesn’t seem to you that this stupid gas was stolen jointly by the Ukrainian and Russian mafia. That’s why the prices are the same. And from me and other Ukrainians, like you, they scuffled three skins for gas. Kapelman Rosenblatt is not my brothers like Miller. Ask Miller where the money is Zin. Your redneck does not invest in the ball except the State Department.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2017 08: 26
            +6
            Quote: loginovich
            Both me and other Ukrainians, like you, have been torn up with three skins for gas

            Just do not again tell tales how you have "three skins torn." Under the "bloody tyrant" of Yanukovych in 2013, gas for you non-brothers cost 93 kopecks per cubic meter, that is, in terms of rubles, less than two Russian rubles. In Moscow, now a cube of gas costs 3,6 rubles. Now, with the "democratic and European" Poroshenko, a cube costs 7 hryvnia. Justice has finally triumphed! Before the Maidan, we Russians paid Gazprom money out of our pocket to subsidize gas prices for the "brothers." Rednecks, by the way, you live there, and not in Russia.
            1. Wildfox
              Wildfox 29 December 2017 11: 00
              0
              In 2013, gas on a payment was worth 3.60 hryvnia multiplied by 3.2 you get a wise guy in rubles! Kapets was correctly written to you that you supplied gas to the “podveshovka” to individual Ukrainians and not to grandparents. hi
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2017 11: 38
                +1
                Do not lie! I understand, of course, that a lie is normal for you, but with the development of the Internet, this does not channel:

                Ukrainians pay the least for gas in Europe
                TUESDAY, 28 MAY 2013, 16:29 Views: 5208 Comments: 5



                Ukraine ranks third in terms of gas cheapness among 32 countries of the European continent with an average level of tariffs for the population of UAH 0,93 per 1 cubic meter. m, according to experts from the Russian "RIA Rating". The country pays a “European” price for Russian gas, but the population buys it several times cheaper, the study said.

                The head of Sberbank turned to the Russians. Warning

                Replacing money in Russia: what became known about it
                Experts note that Ukraine can afford it, as it has its own production, which satisfies the basic needs of the private sector. Another reason for this situation was called a social factor - for the electorate, gas prices are a very important aspect. Experts emphasize that the price of gas in Ukraine remains at the same level from year to year.

                The leader in terms of gas cheapness for the population of Kazakhstan with its cheap own fuel is 0,54 UAH per 1 cubic meter. The second place is occupied by Belarus (0,67 per 1 cubic meter), which imports Russian gas at preferential prices.

                The world's leading gas producer, Russia ranks only fourth in terms of gas cheapness with an average tariff level for the population of UAH 0,99 per 1 cubic meter. m
                http://www.finobzor.com.ua/novosti/nid/8837
            2. AID.S
              AID.S 29 December 2017 12: 30
              +1
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              In 2013, gas for you non-brothers cost 93 kopecks per cubic meter, in terms of rubles, less than two Russian rubles.

              In 2013, the hryvnia to one ruble exchange rate was one to four, so 3-60 rubles were then earned. This is not even a materiel ...
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2017 18: 38
                0
                And where are the exchange rates? Are you completely gluttonous? Do you pay your communal dollars? Do you receive pensions and salaries in dollars?
                1. AID.S
                  AID.S 1 January 2018 12: 40
                  0
                  laughing
                  Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                  And where are the exchange rates?

                  Happy New Year!
            3. Conrad
              Conrad 1 January 2018 12: 25
              +1
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              With the "bloody tyrant" Yanukovych in 2013, gas for you non-brothers cost 93 kopecks per cubic meter

              Not accuracy! 93 kopecks / cubic meter is if annual consumption is above 2000 cubic meters. And it is necessary to try! For example, heating a clay house with an area of ​​100 sq.m. with a ceiling height of 2,5 m. in a region with average winter temperatures of -10, plus hot water supply and cooking for a family of 5 people, it cost 1900 cubic meters per year. At the same time, the gas price was 0,72 hryvnia.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 29 December 2017 07: 14
      +5
      And why did you get the idea that we do not subsidize Ukrainian industry? I know for sure that metal comes to the Kuban from there, and not from Volgograd, for example. Because it’s cheaper. And no sanctions have stopped it. And you are absolutely right about the gas.
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Faithful dear gallop, brothers! It would be nice to calculate how much we earn from stopping subsidizing the Ukrainian economy. For example, instead of developing our production, all these years we have enriched Ukrainians by placing orders at Ukrainian plants and factories, as well as selling gas to our “brothers” at a discount. Take at least the same aircraft engines. Not to make these orders at Russian factories, but ordered from Ukrainians. Or selling gas to the "brothers" lower than their Russians. As a result, the cost of goods produced on cheap gas was lower than the cost of similar goods produced on gas at commercial prices in Russia, as a result, Ukrainian goods were dumped on the Russian market and squeezed Russian goods. Take at least the same Ukrainian steel, which was cheaper than Russian with the same quality, and therefore Russian industrialists preferred to buy Ukrainian steel.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2017 07: 21
        +4
        It’s time to completely stop all trade relations with the non-brothers, close the borders and introduce visas am ! Enough to feed the Ukrainians already! For our money they’ll live and spit on us! How long will we wipe off? !!!
        1. loginovich
          loginovich 29 December 2017 07: 59
          +1
          And in the Donbass to finance the creation of American military bases.
          1. just exp
            just exp 29 December 2017 08: 56
            +1
            Yes, it’s not a question, let the mattress allocate money to military bases in the Donbass, we are not against it, we are against American bases there, and not against the money at these bases.
            so let them isolate and secrete as much as possible.
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 December 2017 13: 29
            +1
            Quote: loginovich
            And in the Donbass to finance the creation of American military bases.

            Donbass has not been Urkain since 2014, and therefore there will be no American bases on its territory from the word - in general.
      2. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 29 December 2017 07: 58
        +5
        I confirm that at Aksai ship repair, too, the whole rental was “made in Ukraine”, the only plus is that the ships drove for repairs until 2014 to / to Ukraine, and now they are afraid, they are repairing here.
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 29 December 2017 12: 55
          0
          Quote: Rostovchanin
          all hire "made in Ukraine",

          Is there a DNR?
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2017 18: 40
            0
            "Made in the DPR" - means quality! You will download further!
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 December 2017 06: 34
    +6
    Yes, and let them break off the relationship! We will return all the ukrogasterbaiters, close the borders for them, introduce the visa regime. ..and plug our ears, for from the side of dill and europium there will be so much howling in our direction that the deaf will hear! Since we are enemies for them, then let us stomp from the market of "enemies" - others will quickly take your place here!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 December 2017 07: 16
      +2
      This is not our method! More precisely, the Kremlin ... After all, "there are people too ...... V. Putin"
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Yes, and let them break off the relationship! We will return all the ukrogasterbaiters, close the borders for them, introduce the visa regime. ..and plug our ears, for from the side of dill and europium there will be so much howling in our direction that the deaf will hear! Since we are enemies for them, then let us stomp from the market of "enemies" - others will quickly take your place here!
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 December 2017 06: 35
    +3
    Yes, take at least coal. How many took there? Third bulk carrier? And how many millions tons of coal from Russia, Donetsk, I think, have received? And from this Pennsylvania - how much Russian laughing ?
  4. Amurets
    Amurets 29 December 2017 06: 36
    +1
    If Ukraine loses at least 1 billion in exports a year, then it turns out that Ukraine does not benefit from euro-association and visa-free travel. How so?..

    And these are the cookies Victoria Nuland, promises of Biden and all admirers of Eurointegration. Is Ukraine Europe? What is the EU does not open its markets to Ukraine and is trying to sell its goods in Ukraine duty-free?
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 December 2017 06: 37
    +8
    Ukraine loses at least 1 billion exports a year
    But with a proud head raised they say that they have nothing to do with the "aggressor" (though Ukrainian business does not know about this). The more they lose, the better. The people there are also not iron and still have to wake up, but these are their problems. I think that we need to distance ourselves from Ukraine and pay more attention to the Donbass, which really needs help. And let them jump and dream about the open arms of the EU.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 29 December 2017 08: 53
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      I think that we need to distance ourselves from Ukraine and pay more attention to the Donbass, which really needs help.

      hi , Gennady.
      The other day ukropitek Tyagnybok erupted in fabrications (although what amoeba might have thoughts) about the return of the Crimea and Donbass and the prospects of the inhabitants of these lands after their "Ukrainization".
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 29 December 2017 17: 01
        +2
        Quote: Lelek
        The other day ukropitek Tyagnybok erupted in fabrications (although what amoeba might have thoughts) about the return of the Crimea and Donbass and the prospects of the inhabitants of these lands after their "Ukrainization".


        "... for by what measure you measure, by the same measure you shall be measured"
  6. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 December 2017 07: 06
    +2
    And if you look from the other side,
    are we continuing to trade with these ... bonfireheads?
    And while not at the level of "raised pigs and sold for meat."
  7. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2017 08: 06
    +2
    In general, it is wild nonsense to prohibit cross-border trade with the largest market. This nonsense is broadcast by the USA for the "sanitary cordon" from the Baltic states, Moldova and Ukraine. And they are stubbornly trying to realize this American nonsense, thinking that their archaic economies can sell their goods to other markets.
  8. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2017 08: 07
    +3
    Quote: rotmistr60
    The people there are also not iron and still have to wake up, but these are their problems.

    ---------------------------
    Ha! The people there began to dissolve in the vastness of Eurasia. EU, Russia, China. In Ukraine itself, about 27-30 million people remain. In general, there is no one to wake up there.
  9. K-50
    K-50 29 December 2017 10: 02
    0
    Mikolskaya said that Russia is formally not for Ukraine the trade partner in which Kiev would be extremely interested in close trade and economic relations,

    Mikolskaya is trying to blame Russia for the fact that Ukraine is losing at least $ 1 billion of export per year from various types of restrictions on trade.

    Yes, the campaign yard "greenery" once more for them and get out.
    Soon they will lose a couple more yards due to the cessation of gas and oil transit and will completely heal happily. They are better off borrowing this money from the EU. And the fact that the children and grandchildren then give them away is of little concern, because they are temporary workers.
  10. Antares
    Antares 29 December 2017 11: 23
    0
    Trade Representative of Ukraine Natalia Mikolskaya in an interview with the European publication “European Truth” reported an increase in trade between Ukraine and Russia

    This is only a small part of her interview with the publication. And it is not dedicated to Russia at all, but to the review of Ukraine’s trade with everyone.
    Source
    https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/rus/interview/
    2017/12/28/7075557 / (original in Ukrainian, but easy to understand)
    Natalya, on the one hand, said that the Russian Federation is not a partner (unlike the “respected Ukrainian / American / European partners”), on the other hand, she said that the neighbors are always trading partners. So, this is the only thing she has.
    On the other hand, she complained about transit wars, and not the sanctions of Ukraine / Russia. She had no bias towards the Russian Federation. The interview was more about the EU, Asia, there is little about the RF.
    The last paragraph of the part about the RF in the article was perverted.
    Further, Ms. Mikolskaya is trying to blame Russia for the fact that Ukraine is losing at least 1 billion dollars in exports per year from various types of restrictions on trade. At the same time, the trade representative of Ukraine in a strange way forgets that it is the Ukrainian authorities who on any occasion declare the refusal of full-fledged trade and economic relations with the Russian Federation to be a boon to the Ukrainian economy. It also “forgets” that Ukraine was the first to impose economic sanctions on Russia.

    The author of the article either does not know Ukrainian or compiled from himself. In the interview there was a review, not accusations. As a sales representative, Natalia is interested in growth in all directions. And she complained about the mutual transit political wars (she mentioned lawsuits against the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan and similar RFs to Ukraine)

    "And this once again confirms that the ties were artificially destroyed, and if they were not destroyed, our trade with the Russian Federation would develop quite dynamically and we would not have lost at least 1 billion US dollars of our exports per year," said the trade representative of Ukraine.

    Let's not forget that the transit, trade wars of Ukraine / Russia began long ago and under Yanukovych turned into political pressure. (Cheese wars, for example, candy wars, etc.)
    As usual, both are to blame for the fall in trade between the two countries.
    If Ukraine loses at least 1 billion in exports a year, then it turns out that Ukraine does not benefit from euro-association and visa-free travel. How so?..

    the author should go and re-read all the interviews (Google provides this opportunity in Russian) For the author pulled out 1/10 of the part, but did not read the rest, but condemns. He asks the readers questions ... and this despite the fact that he uploads the interview material. In the first part, it’s just about the EU. There’s even about the round timber and other news that often serve as propaganda on VO. I read it with interest.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2017 11: 41
      +4
      Quote: Antares
      As usual, both are to blame for the fall in trade between the two countries.

      Well yes! of course! Muscovites are always to blame. But you, skakuasy, are never to blame!
      Mykola
      and us for sho?
    2. LeonidL
      LeonidL 29 December 2017 19: 40
      +1
      The difficulties of translation do not contradict the accuracy of the meaning.
  11. Lexus
    Lexus 29 December 2017 12: 26
    +3
    To party - it’s easier ...
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 29 December 2017 19: 37
      +1
      Freeloaders ...
  12. LeonidL
    LeonidL 29 December 2017 19: 36
    +1
    The attempt is not torture ... they tortured and tortured until the navel was untied ...
  13. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 29 December 2017 20: 07
    +1
    Since Ukraine loses at least 1 billion of exports a year, it turns out that Ukraine does not benefit from the European association and visa-free travel. How so?..

    Indeed, how so? Russian Christ-sellers are getting out of their hands ... and they don’t work in the Russian Crimea ... and millions of Russian money are being transferred to Ukraine ... But to Bandera and the Nazis, everything’s not “good” ...
    How so?