Pakistan ordered the 054A frigate in China

The Pakistani Navy signed a contract for the construction of the 054A frigate in the PRC, "with the same weapons and equipment as the Chinese ships of this type," reports bmpd with reference to the American edition of Defense News.

The 29 is the frigate of the 054A project, under construction for the PLA Navy and launched the 16.12.2017 at the Chinese shipbuilding enterprise Hudong Shipyard of the Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding Group in Shanghai.

Currently, negotiations are underway to build two more similar ships.

The resource notes that “Pakistan has an urgent need to replace the core components of the national fleet five former British frigates such as Amazon (type 21) built in the 1970s, which are now completely obsolete and worn out (one frigate has already been decommissioned). ”

It is reported that in the framework of another search for replacing these ships at the end of November 2017, an agreement was signed with Turkey regarding the construction of 4 corvettes of the Turkish MILGEM project for the Pakistan Navy. Negotiations on this issue continue, the decision has not yet been made.

Also, a request for the possibility of building two corvettes was sent by Pakistan to the American shipbuilding company Swiftships (apparently, this is about the new project of the 75-meter small Corvette Swift Corvette advertised by Swiftships). There is also no specific solution here - the parties are still negotiating.

Image 75-meter small corvette project Swift Corvette developed by the American shipbuilding company Swiftships.

The frigate of the project 054А (designation NATO Jiangkai II) is the main ship of this class PLA Navy. Since January 2008, the Chinese fleet has introduced 25 frigates of the 054A project into its structure, and four more ships are currently in completion afloat.

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[NEXUS]

Pakistan orders frigates from China, but we cannot order a pair of destroyers ... apparently religion does not allow it.

[san4es]

When designing the updated project "054A", Chinese design organizations worked in cooperation with the Russian Northern Design Bureau. As a result of such cooperation, it was possible to give the project "054A" a modern look and fulfill it in accordance with the latest trends in the development of ships of this class

The main characteristics of the frigate:
- displacement 4.3 thousand tons;
- length 134 meter;
- width 16 meters;
- draft 5 meters;
- four diesel engines 16 PA6V-280 SEMT-Pilstic;
- unit 2 screws;
- speed of 29 knots;
- range 3.8 thousands of miles;
- team ship 190 people;
Armament:
- One 713 gun mount, 100 caliber mm;
- four anti-aircraft artillery complexes AK-630;
- two launchers with four anti-ship missiles in each YJ-83 (C803) $
- One 32-x cell anti-aircraft missile system HQ-16 (upgrading "Calm");
- one Z-9 helicopter;

[donavi49]

By the way, the residual pace, but the work on the head 956 in China reached the finish line. It remains to mount the YJ-18 installations instead of Mosquitoes, remove the forests and complete various trifles. A new set of electronic equipment has already been installed. 2x8 bow and 2x8 stern PUs for Calm (HQ-16) are already installed. Also in the nose they slammed their new short-range complex on 24 missiles - HHQ-10.
The difference between 136 - on the final upgrade and 137 - which came on the upgrade, in one photo.

[Berkut24]

Chinese ships almost always lose to classmates from other countries in weapons systems. And religion, yes, does not allow us. Firstly, we can do this ourselves, but based on our finances, we need something more. Therefore, we have small ships armed with a corvette, corvettes armed with a frigate, and frigates to their classmates from other countries - all frigates. Secondly, we will start ordering the Chinese too - we won’t give money to our factories and we will lose customers, because then they will also go to the Chinese. And with Pakistan, everything is clear - they are allies and China gives loans for these ships.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Berkut24

First of all, we ourselves can do such a thing,

Seriously, why not? Why are we building nothing above frigates?

Quote: Berkut24

Secondly, let's start ordering the Chinese

I'm talking about destroyer class ships. At the same time, who prevents them from building after modernization for themselves? Mistrals also wanted to redo to fit their needs.
In the new rearmament program there is not a word about the construction of surface ships of the 1st rank for our fleets. That is why I asked, why don’t we order destroyers from the Chinese? Or do we have eternal Buzzards?

[andy.v.lee]

There is such a thing as secret "bookmarks."

[NEXUS]

Quote: andy.v.lee

There is such a thing as secret "bookmarks."

Something that doesn’t stop the Chinese very much when they buy our SU-35 and S-400 ...

[Berkut24]

The Leader project has been incorporated into the state program; it seems that the Severnaya Verf Shipyard has begun to build slipways under it. It cannot be compared because of the different tonnage, disparate armament and electronic filling.
In addition, destroyers in different countries are called quite different ships. We have in this category some frigates and corvettes quite fall.
The composition of the 054A weapons did not surprise me at all. The level of our guard, and then not all. Take the project 11356 - far from a masterpiece in modern terms and compare its weapons with the Chinese:
UKSK Caliber-NK
1 × 1 × 100mm AU A-190
2 × 6 × 30mm AU AK-630M
8 anti-ship missiles ZM55 "Onyx" or 3M54 (family "Caliber-NKE")
UVP ZS90E.1 SAM "Shtil-1" [2], 8 × 1 launcher SAM "Igla-1"
8 anti-submarine missiles 91RE1 (Caliber-NK family),
1 × 12 PU RBU-6000 RPK-8 (48 PLUR 90R or RSL-60)
2 × 2 × 533mm DTA-53-956 (torpedoes SET-65, 53-65K)
1 helicopter Ka-27PL or Ka-31
And this is just a guard. Which covers the Chinese destroyer as a battleship gunboat. By the way, I don’t see any outstanding anti-submarine and anti-mine component inherent in the classical destroyer in the Chinese. For me, the Chinese so much flatter themselves, calling him a destroyer.

[donavi49]

Both (11356 and 054А) are frigates.

054 has the main SAM system - Calm-1 on 32 missiles. Works with Frigate-MA.
11356 has the main SAM system - Calm-1 on 24 missiles. Works with Frigate-MA.

054 has the main strike complex 2x4 anti-ship missiles YJ-83 (its development from Exoset). In the future, there will be 2x4 universal containers YJ-18 (their Caliber).
11356 has the main strike complex UKKS-8 on 8 caliber missiles.

054’s main torpedo weaponry is the 2x3 324mm YU-7 / 11 small-sized torpedoes, their development by the stolen American MK-46 (perhaps the most successful and widespread in the world).
The 11356 main torpedo armament is the good old 533mm fish in the 2x2 format.

It is possible to further measure the HAC, the fuel supply for a helicopter, autonomy, reliability, guns, jamming systems. BUT...

The Navy has 3 frigates, and they are now the newest, most effective and generally pride of the surface fleet.
The Navy PLA - there are 26 frigates 054А, another 4 frigates are being built. 054B is collected in metal. And this is not the pride of the surface fleet, not the most effective, but just workhorses. Who are running around right now in the North Sea, Pacific Ocean, West Africa, chasing pirates and providing supplies to the base in Djibouti.

Their fleet pride is now 052D. But very soon there will be 055 already having 120 heavy missiles of any class (air defense missile systems / anti-ship missiles / missiles).

[Berkut24]

Well, we are also building something newer. The same 22350. NEXUS wrote that we are not building anything corresponding to the “destroyer 054A”. I wrote that we are building. And what is better for us with our developments to buy Chinese ships.
As for the Chinese weapons on ships, the Chinese can build anything, missiles can be 120, or at least 500. But the victory is won by the one who has these missiles flying further, guidance will be more accurate and noise-resistant, etc. And here the Chinese are losing both ours and the Americans. Copies and “trimmed” export designs are inferior to the originals and “native” products.
I’m not just thinking that there will be no competition at sea, but I also don’t think that everything is so bad here. The fleet is strong not only by frigates, and the armed forces are strong not only by the fleet.

[donavi49]

22350 is also a frigate. And while she does not know how to Poliment, it’s a dove of peace, like the same Daring. And it will work 2018 and that is not a fact.

As for weapons, this is also not very true, or rather, this is true for the Navy:
- HQ-9, this is C-300PMU with elements of F. Then they remade the rocket in the 9A version, using American and European technologies and changing the fuel in the later version.
- YJ-18, this is a tricky plan on how to get around the 300km restriction and stay in the legal field. Officially, YJ-18 is a national development, but there are tricky direct contracts with AA on this topic .
- the main 130mm gun, it sawed the AK-130 in two, using different smart shells, various compact automation and other improvements.
- The main MZA is an improved 11 barrel Goalkeeper.
- a short-range complex HHQ-10, a rather interesting system, a clone of the American RIM-116, but on the basis of its ultralight V-V rocket, which in turn was made as a miniature SideVideX.
- 346 radar is the result of work with Thales, one of the world’s flagships today. There is also an Israeli contribution. Plus - Quant also worked with the 14 Institute.

But I'm talking about something else. They build these ships at a generally competitive, but unrealistic pace. Here is Dalian. The latest 055 heavy destroyers with 120 universal heavy missile cells. These are the first 055 destroyers - under construction in Dalniy. Another 2 destroyers were assembled in Jiannan (the lead and first serial) and an unknown number is being built in Jiannan.

[Felix99]

Wait, in a couple of years order in Nikolaev.

[KaPToC]

Quote: NEXUS

Seriously, why not? Why are we building nothing above frigates?

Maybe because the engines of the Chinese frigates are French?

[donavi49]

Yes. 052D - has 64 universal mines against 96 at Burke. But if you take Hobart / Horizon, then the difference will be in favor of 052D. I will not say anything about Sarych / Chabanenko - for this is the year before last generation.

At the same time - over 7 years, they commissioned 6 destroyers of this type + Urumqi, Gayang and Nanjing - they are completing the state testing phase and the first 2 will be accepted before the Chinese New Year. That is, say in the summer of 2018 of the year they will have 9 of modern destroyers and 3 in the final stages of completion afloat + 6 of the previous generation (fixed canvases + 48 of heavy missiles + 8 anti-ship missiles / missiles in the future they will be re-equipped with 2х4 YJ-18, then there is a slightly processed file Caliber).

How many were introduced in Russia? 0? And 3 frigate in terms of capabilities +/- 054А (054А has more of the same ZURoks, but not Caliber - however, a program is currently being developed for re-equipping old anti-ship missiles with universal containers YJ-18 - that is, Chinese Caliber, and as a result there will be the same 8 Caliber with 40km 2,5M segment for RCC and it seems like 600km range for KR, but this is not accurate).

What is better to have a mega-super-gig A leader from papier-mâché or 9 of modern destroyers, albeit inferior to Berks, Congo, Atago and Sizhon, but at parity / superior to the rest?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

donavi49 always read your comments with interest. You can immediately see that you are in the subject. Keep it up!

[Dart2027]

Quote: NEXUS

but we can’t order a pair of destroyers

I would rather order from them paratroopers to replace the BDK. But destroyers and corvettes need to be built by ourselves, simply because this is the only way to restore shipbuilding.

[HEATHER]

In China, at least there are no problems with the engines. And our “trinity” stands. Pechal. Here are the transfers of “large-scale productions to the republics of the Soviet Union.” As with Anom.

[donavi49]

Well, 054A is a very popular SEMT PA6V-280 engine (France, now part of MAN) which is assembled at the Shaanxi Diesel Engine Works licensed plant.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: VERESK

In China, at least there are no problems with the engines. And our “trinity” stands. Pechal. Here are the transfers of “large-scale productions to the republics of the Soviet Union.” As with Anom.

these are trifles in comparison with the fact that they "took away" the lands from the Russian Empire ... from this all the troubles went, including those listed by you !!! and about the engines ... let ours finish their development to the end, so that then they do not depend on anyone !!!

"... The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) will resume work on three frigates of project 11356 of the Burevestnik type in 2018. Earlier, the construction of these ships was stopped due to Kiev's refusal to supply gas turbine units. The decision to continue work was made based on preliminary tests of the latest Russian gas turbine units M70FRU and M90FR. According to experts, the appearance of these ships will significantly expand the capabilities of the Navy in the Mediterranean Sea, the Central and North Atlantic, as well as the Arctic zone. ... "

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2644867.html

[HEATHER]

Nikolay Greg.[b] [/ b] I am in the know. And not only read the information in the media, but also how many on the site are involved in the construction and operation. Let's better about the plane on your avatar. Once I covered it all. Almost 22 years. Tu-22M3. There is no need to puff with the old people. We are many, and we are in vests. Nearly 50.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: VERESK

Nikolay Greg.[b] [/ b] I am in the know. And not only read the information in the media, but also how many on the site are involved in the construction and operation. Let's better about the plane on your avatar. Once I covered it all. Almost 22 years. Tu-22M3. There is no need to puff with the old people. We are many, and we are in vests. Nearly 50.

and what about "my" plane ??? like all the rules ... flew here from us, crap hegilists !!

[HEATHER]

Just a CLASS avatar. And what did you think? I’m far, far started the AO group. A chic car! I will not say anything about the Tu-160. Guys can break for any comment. What I studied, I got married. Avatu.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: VERESK

What did you think?

Nothing, just said !!! the plane is beautiful - so I put it on the profile picture !!! He’s on the photo with which I made an avatar, looks much more cheerful ... by transferring it to an avatar, everyone ruined it !!!

[HEATHER]

Car-song! I lived with her for 20 years! Murly and in stock!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: VERESK

Car-song! I lived with her for 20 years! Murly and in stock!

gloriously they "dusted off" in Syria !!!

[HEATHER]

The remnants didn’t gather dust. That's pain and longing. They will not take off anymore. Almost 20 luxury cars were simply ruined. They are still standing there. Far East.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: VERESK

The remnants didn’t gather dust. That's pain and longing. They will not take off anymore. Almost 20 luxury cars were simply ruined. They are still standing there. Far East.

Nothing, break through !!!

[Vlad5307]

Quote: NEXUS

Pakistan orders frigates from China, but we cannot order a pair of destroyers ... apparently religion does not allow it.

Yes, we would have to order from them at least cases, but would the Chinese partners agree to this? It is interesting, but in our Moscow Region did they consider this option or do not trust the Chinese manufacturer?