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How Russia confidently wins sanctions exactly the opposite

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If we believe our mass media, in which lately high state officials have acted in unison, assuring each other that we do not care for sanctions, import substitution is in full development, and everything else.


How Russia confidently wins sanctions exactly the opposite


The crisis is over, we will win. Final and unconditional.

I would like to believe in these words. And even better - feel it the hard way.

But in practice, sometimes things happen that cause complete bewilderment and even unwillingness to understand the situation.

The CEO of the First Freight Company, the Russian railway operator Oleg Bukin, told reporters that in 2018, Freight One planned to purchase up to 5 thousands of new railway cars, but this could not be done.

The reason gives insanity: the main supplier of Freight One in terms of cars, Uralvagonzavod (yes, it also produces cars), is under US sanctions!

The question arises: what relation does Trump's decree from 2 of August this year have to the supply of cars from a Russian manufacturer to a Russian freight operator?

If you look closely, interesting nuances come up.

Freight One, Russia's largest private rail transport operator, is a repurchased unit of the Ministry of Railways. The owner is oligarch-3 of Russia, Vladimir Lisin (Novolipetsk Metallurgical Plant, Nevsky Shipyard, St. Petersburg Sea Port, and so on).

The company is registered in Moscow. In the manual - only Russian surnames.

But Freight One is part of the UCL Holding international transport group. The UCL website, also owned by Lisin, reports that the UCL group consists of Freight One JSC and the Gryazi car-repair depot.

It would seem, what have Trump and his decree? And how can an American president tell Russian companies in general where, what and from whom to buy?

As it turns out, it can. Moreover, the Russian company seems to obediently follow the instructions from the United States. Voluntarily executing a team.

Perhaps the whole point is that the Russian company and the Russian holding are no longer as such. On the sites everything is in order: Russian addresses, phone numbers, registration numbers. But Forbes, while posting information about UCL, for some reason, indicates the city of Amsterdam as a “port of residence”. And this is no longer Russia. This is the Netherlands.

Actually, this tale that sanctions do not harm us, but on the contrary, strengthens the country, ends.

In fact, the companies that have become private and international, owned by oligarchs, do not simply depend on how they are commanded in the United States, they will still unquestionably execute commands from overseas.

Otherwise, real sanctions and real financial losses. The threat to business, the threat to the personal empire of Chevalier of the Order of Honor and Alexander Nevsky Vladimir Lisin.

And Uralvagonzavod remains without an order for 2018 year. Perhaps, the problem will be solved by the car-building plant in Torzhok, which did not fall under sanctions. Or, even simpler, the cars will be ordered somewhere else abroad.

All these rhetoric on the topic that import substitution solves the problem of sanctions, turn into dust and empty sound when it comes to private interests.

And here everything will be as ordered by the true masters of the situation. This, of course, is not about the representatives of the Russian authorities. We are talking about the so-called elites, long ago tied in the West.

Sad of course. The fact that the UVZ does not receive a very good order is half the trouble. The second half is that, in fact, Russian companies do not belong to Russia. They belong to world capital, which does not have citizenship and nationality.

Hence, not just attempts to influence (as happened at the Voronezh Verofarm enterprise owned by Americans who tried to dictate sanctions conditions to employees), but to dictate their conditions.

As dictated by the conditions of the winners loser.

And the most embarrassing moment: our oligarchs are going to fulfill these conditions.

Of course, there is no point in appealing to the patriotism of the same Lisin. When a person has 3 capital in Russia and 57 in the world (according to the same Forbes for 2017 year), this is not quite a citizen of Russia, no matter how hung him with orders. This is a citizen of his capital, the emperor of his empire.

Something tells me that our elite emperors have recognized themselves as defeated before the West. So, backstab can be expected at any time. Everyone, from Putin to the janitor.

Based on:
https://ria.ru/economy/20171221/1511396230.html
http://www.forbes.ru/profile/universal-cargo-logistics-holding
http://www.uclholding.ru/uclrail/pgk/about
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  1. olegfbi
    olegfbi 28 December 2017 15: 18
    55
    Article = Cry of the Soul!
    If we take the problem seriously, the question of the adequacy and integrity of the economic policy of the government of the Russian Federation immediately comes to mind.
    Many "mines are broken" on the topic of storing our reserves in US dollars ... This is a separate and HUGE topic, but the behavior of the "oligarch" described in the article smacks of treason! I'd like to believe that betrayal will not go unpunished!
    With all this, in my opinion, the liberal behavior of some individuals in power and big business (we will not point the finger) requires, at a minimum, verification by state security agencies.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 28 December 2017 15: 38
      23
      Most likely, they will always get on the brakes and will not find the end. Not so long ago, in one of the sources I contemplated a table with a share of foreign capital and investments in the domestic economy. It is certainly good that Russia retains its investment attractiveness, but !!!!!!! you have to pay for this in that putting pressure on it on business and the country as a whole can be very significant.
      1. katana
        katana 28 December 2017 16: 41
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        But why should the janitor expect a stab in the back? But the Russian leadership should have been straining for a long time, in Russian history there is a rich tradition of coups d'etat, starting with Boris Godunov, as I recall. smile
        1. allaykbar
          allaykbar 28 December 2017 16: 55
          +2
          Russian history has a rich tradition of coups d'etat, beginning with Boris Godunov, as far as I remember. smile


          Is Ramsik on standby?
          1. 210ox
            210ox 28 December 2017 18: 20
            +3
            Yeah, that’s waiting .. I’m waiting, only sometimes I try to give out my thoughts out loud. That, in Armenia, the coup did not happen, he switched to Russia .. "Rainbow revolutionary" ..
            Quote: allaykbar
            Russian history has a rich tradition of coups d'etat, beginning with Boris Godunov, as far as I remember. smile


            Is Ramsik on standby?
        2. sub307
          sub307 30 December 2017 13: 05
          0
          "But the leadership of the Russian Federation should have worked hard for a long time ..."
          And then this very guide is not in the courses of what is happening?
          "... in Russian history there is a rich tradition of coups d'etat ..."
          And here they definitely "monitor situevina" constantly and without being distracted. Changes in the laws and strengthening of the corresponding power structures corresponding to the task of curbing all kinds of attempts at "coups d'etat" are anticipated.
      2. 73bor
        73bor 31 December 2017 14: 11
        0
        Rather, they will solve this problem in a different way, but there are enterprises in private hands, but UVZ is not a "private shop" and for every cunning Zh.O.P.U. there is a device with a screw! We have a bunch of factories producing wagons, as well as a bunch of carrier companies and for Freight One, I don’t worry at all, it was not a bad idea to reform the Ministry of Railways!
    2. the most important
      the most important 28 December 2017 15: 53
      49
      Quote: olegfbi
      Article = Cry of the Soul!
      If you take the problem seriously, the question of the adequacy of the Russian government immediately comes to mind.

      Yes, everyone has long understood that these "gentlemen" can only cut the budget .. But on the VO website there are a huge number of their admirers who prove with foam from their mouth that everything is just wonderful in the country! And as it comes to the specifics, they have nothing to say ...
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 28 December 2017 16: 07
        11
        Quote: the most important
        And as it comes to the specifics, they have nothing to say ...

        And who told you that it will be easy? This is an economic war ... (payment for an independent policy), you say that everything is bad, so the sanctions are in effect and this is not a joke! You can whine and turn on everything, but you can tighten your belt and take pride in that we did not cave in front of the west! As you understand, you caved in ..
        1. the most important
          the most important 28 December 2017 16: 13
          45
          Quote: You Vlad
          I understand you caved in ..

          Usually, those who have "panties on the belly do not agree" say about "tightening the belt". Moreover, they offer this to those who already hang out. And what does my “deflection” and lack of adequacy in the government have to do with it? Do sanctions hinder the development of production in the country? Look what is on the state farm to them. Grudinin’s Lenin’s and compare with that in the rest of Russia.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 28 December 2017 16: 22
            +8
            Quote: the most important
            Grudinin’s Lenin’s and compare with that in the rest of Russia.

            In the ears of an old grandmother blow in which I do not need a problem with brains!
            Quote: the most important
            And what does my “deflection” and lack of adequacy in the government have to do with it?

            And despite the fact that when problems arise and all sorts of crooks begin to use it, many believe them ... and write, but look what’s there at the sternum in the garden fellow
            1. the most important
              the most important 28 December 2017 16: 33
              39
              Quote: You Vlad
              And despite the fact that when problems arise and all sorts of crooks begin to use it, many believe them ... and write, but look what’s there at the sternum in the garden

              The problem is that in the store (except for products with a huge amount of soy and palm oil) there is nothing that was opened in Russia. This is sad for me, I usually try to choose mine. And Grudinin (written with a capital letter, because this is the last name), he worked a miracle in agricultural production. And the government you respect on oil and gas is reducing (oh, sorry, OPTIMIZING!) Hospitals and schools, and the army is not all right - the fleet is becoming a mosquito, ships of the 1st and 2nd ranks are not even planned.
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 28 December 2017 16: 41
                +5
                Quote: the most important
                The problem is that in the store (except for products with a huge amount of soy and palm oil) there is nothing that was opened in Russia.

                You're lying!!!
                Quote: the most important
                This is sad for me, I usually try to choose mine.

                I see that you are sad ..
                Quote: the most important
                And Grudinin (written with a capital letter, because this is the last name), he worked a miracle in agricultural production.

                Well, let’s tell us how in our sloppy country without opportunities and prospects, this is a great man (I’m not afraid of this word) created a miracle!
                Quote: the most important
                And the government you respect on oil and gas is reducing (oh, sorry, OPTIMIZING!) Hospitals and schools, and the army is not all right - the fleet is becoming a mosquito, ships of the 1st and 2nd ranks are not even planned.

                Maybe you optimize somewhere as you write here, but everywhere we have done a European-quality repair! tongue There are priorities now in the army, it is only your wizard who can blind a miracle!
                1. Korax71
                  Korax71 28 December 2017 17: 23
                  22
                  By the way, the palm oil count is not exactly lying. The volume of purchases of this raw material is about the same as that of the whole of Europe. In terms of per capita, estimate how much it is.
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 28 December 2017 20: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Korax71
                    palm oil

                    Palm oil
                    Vegetable oil obtained from the meaty part of the fruits of oil palm. The seed oil of this palm is called palm kernel oil. One of the oldest food products of mankind, known in ancient Egypt.
                    It is used in the manufacture of cosmetics and food.
                    1. groks
                      groks 28 December 2017 20: 53
                      16
                      But not instead of milk!
                  2. Nukesmoke
                    Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 03: 49
                    0
                    Can you give proofs, or is it just a declarative statement?
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 28 December 2017 18: 14
                  14
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  , and everywhere we have done a European-quality repair!

                  And what is a European-quality repair? recourse
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 28 December 2017 19: 26
                    +7
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    What is a European-quality repair?

                    It has long been a meme. yes And before it was called ordinary repairs made
                    with the help of imported materials, but our or grimy co-workers.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 28 December 2017 22: 51
                      +7
                      Quote: Paranoid50
                      using imported materials,

                      Then I have a Euro-Asian repair. The taps are Chinese, the toilet is Rassian, the drywall is German-Russian ... laughing I remember how a friend in the middle of the 90's boasted of a European-quality repair. Well, I went to see what a miracle it was. In addition to the hole between the kitchen and the room (such as a bar), I did not see anything special. laughing
                    2. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 29 December 2017 03: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: Paranoid50
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      What is a European-quality repair?

                      It has long been a meme. yes And before it was called ordinary repairs made
                      with the help of imported materials, but our or grimy co-workers.

                      rather, they had in mind the repair style ... like a Euro-style ... although this is a fallacy of naive Russians ... we thought that in Europe everything is dignified, noble, and every apartment is renovated in the highest class !!! request request request laughing laughing laughing
                3. groks
                  groks 28 December 2017 19: 39
                  14
                  You're lying!!!
                  The argument however.
                  and everywhere we have done a European-quality repair!

                  Yeah. In my native school they did too. The number of classes increased by one and a half times. At the same time, half of the bearing walls were demolished.
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 28 December 2017 20: 07
                    0
                    Quote: groks
                    The argument however.

                    This is not an argument, but a fact.
                    1. groks
                      groks 28 December 2017 20: 57
                      +7
                      Fact where? There is a cry, no fact.
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 29 December 2017 05: 23
                        0
                        Quote: groks
                        Fact where? There is a cry, no fact.

                        It's hard to argue with you fellow You want to prove to me that all Russian do foods contain palm oil? belay recourse Goodbye, you d-oh dunk and you do not even notice!
                4. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 28 December 2017 20: 22
                  16
                  Euro repair at you hto and what did they do? Is it not "the citizens of other countries" by chance and not from foreign materials? am
                  Well, well, well, enlighten us about what specifically are palm products in our "made in Russia" stores?
                  And from myself a couple of “achievements”: in acquaintances, a two-year-old child is immediately covered with an allergic rash from bread baked by Himself (not even store belay ) from premium flour WITHOUT any chemical. extra negative , condensed milk - you can buy ONLY Belarusian, this milk in piles standing in the aisles without any refrigerators and for up to six months - is "not palm." And if you want to "die of laughter" at all - read carefully WHAT the usual toilet soap is made of !! belay - their PALMS negative .
                  I just see this process right: a sunny day, the yellow beach is not far, palm trees are swaying, the sky is bright blue and the same sea and there is such a “machine” into it as a “palm log” is shoved into the sawing - I will lower through (necessarily) a transparent cone “milk” gushes into the pipe with a jet, and on the other side of the machine “soap bars” drop out. belay am
                  1. groks
                    groks 28 December 2017 21: 16
                    20
                    The ambush is not about who did the repair. When necessary, they can do great.
                    The very meaning of the act. The Ministry of Education decided to study in only one shift. I’m happy for the children, because I remember how lazy it was to get up early, especially in winter. But how to push the double number of children in one shift? Easy! Our school of the classic Soviet project - the letter N. Everyone probably remember. There are classes on the front side, and the inside, I do not know how to, the empty space is shorter. This place is also divided into classes, there remains a corridor of 2-2,5 meters. So that there was no pitch darkness - they tear down the wall and instead make transparent partitions.
                    As a result, the capacity of the school became one and a half times more! Well this is how you can report!
                    I hope that they came up with something on the walls - well, not killers. Probably. I really hope so. But generally creepy.
                    It’s a mystery for me - where to put children during a break? In these corridors it’s difficult for two to disperse.
                    Another mystery is where to get twice the number of teachers? They cannot be heard. Despite the fact that the teachers will have half the hours and the salary will drop completely.
                    But the initiative was kind of good. And the number of places in schools jumped very significantly. Now, it will be possible to close several schools around the city, put in their place hypermarkets and still be in the black.
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 28 December 2017 23: 23
                      0
                      So you suffer nobly.

                      And one of my friends dumped money with her neighbors and built her own school for her children.

                      And there with the corridors all tip-top;)
                      1. groks
                        groks 29 December 2017 08: 09
                        +8
                        I could have enough money in that school, maybe on my desk. Best case scenario.
              2. AKC
                AKC 28 December 2017 16: 48
                +2
                sternum Clown, Balabol, and Treplo, the real Capitalist who robbed the peasants. and taking advantage of the proximity of his enterprise to Moscow hangs noodles on the ears of people like you, about what kind of businessman he is !!!!
                They will impose sanctions against foreign companies with whom sternin cooperates and all of his "economic miracle" will be covered.
              3. You Vlad
                You Vlad 28 December 2017 16: 49
                +7
                And so, honestly, your wizard doesn’t suit Putin yes Let him continue to grow a berry if he does it well (from your words), but I'm used to believing people !!
              4. Tatyana Rossiyanka
                Tatyana Rossiyanka 31 December 2017 10: 01
                0
                There was already information that Grudinin was selling, leasing land on the Moscow Ring Road (state farm). And Turkish strawberries. I really do not want to believe in it. For whom then to vote?
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 31 December 2017 12: 59
                  0
                  Do you believe the inscriptions on the fence?
                  1. Nukesmoke
                    Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 03: 51
                    0
                    Why should a communist take a vacation in Germany? No, of course he has the right to spend his holidays wherever he wants, if income allows.
          2. Lock36
            Lock36 28 December 2017 18: 52
            +6
            Quote: the most important
            Look what is on the state farm to them. Grudinin’s Lenin’s and compare with that in the rest of Russia.

            You yourself know something about this, sickly? You are either a victim of propaganda or a sick person. Grudinin is an oligarch, a latifundist who earns money on real estate, an ex-member of United Russia, whose nomination McFaul welcomes.
          3. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 29 December 2017 03: 26
            +3
            Quote: the most important
            Look what is on the state farm to them. Grudinin’s Lenin’s and compare with that in the rest of Russia.

            It’s worth starting with the fact that Grudinin was able to carry all this current in the conditions of the government of Putin !! wink yes lol lol lol You can continue with the fact that you should not extrapolate such a small example to the scale of our country !!! tongue tongue request request request laughing laughing laughing
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 29 December 2017 14: 28
              +1
              He started back in the mid-90s.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 30 December 2017 02: 53
                +1
                Quote: Greenwood
                He started back in the mid-90s.

                recourse recourse recourse but such facts in the biography should be seriously feared !! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
          4. cherrybuster
            cherrybuster 2 January 2018 13: 56
            0
            this is not at Grudinin state farm named after Lenin, but at Abramovich
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 28 December 2017 16: 33
          33
          Do not confuse soft with warm. Everyone has tightened their belts for a long time, with the exception of officials and aligarchs. There is no normal economic development in the country.
        3. mih_sergeev92
          mih_sergeev92 28 December 2017 22: 27
          +5
          So it's about betrayal, not the consequences of sanctions! These are different things. And so one Russian company does not give the order to another, afraid to get it for the neck. This is just cowardice and betrayal
        4. BecmepH
          BecmepH 29 December 2017 10: 22
          0
          Quote: You Vlad
          proud that we did not bend in front of the west!
          But what about this?
          our elite emperors have declared themselves defeated before the West
        5. Greenwood
          Greenwood 29 December 2017 14: 30
          11
          Quote: You Vlad
          you can tighten the belt and is proud that we did not bend in front of the west
          Damn, somewhere I already heard it. More precisely saw. Oh yes:
          1. Cossack 471
            Cossack 471 30 December 2017 19: 02
            +2
            Here is the scoreboard !!! Fed
      2. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 29 December 2017 00: 52
        +1
        What are you saying? Are you against the patriots just now?))))
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 28 December 2017 16: 31
      27
      What about the king? Is everything okay with us? We will return the money to the aligarchs from behind the hill.! Yeah, only on what terms? But Lisin had to be trained for a long time, otherwise she earns grandmothers here, mows them as a patriot, but he himself .... in short sometimes you understand the Communists with their nationalization ...
      1. Gabriel
        Gabriel 28 December 2017 22: 13
        +4
        The king and others like them! He will take money from behind the hill at interest from embezzlers))))
      2. passerby5
        passerby5 31 December 2017 18: 03
        +1
        about this nationalization .... they are so for the populisam ... 100: 1 in case of their victory x. what you are, we will wait for nationalization. and it is unlikely that this is necessary in the form in which we present it. smell of riots, etc. legally through taxes it is necessary to make sharing. but the question is that they are sitting there, if not their people themselves, and the laws, the wording, is written under their dictation. in the 90s, when the Communists were majority in the Duma, and they voted according to party discipline, as the leader said, an acquaintance from the region participated in the debate on some kind of law there .... and so having cooked there something came about a month and a half -and damn mother left the communists. there they haggled openly (the Communists, as there are most of them) for how much they should pay so that the law would sound in a certain wording. Remember, how long and who promise to come to power to push to change the flat tax system. even the current plane in all sorts of platons tilts
        1. nvpoldmir180356
          nvpoldmir180356 5 January 2018 06: 52
          0
          However, I did not pay income tax, a small salary.
    4. Megatron
      Megatron 28 December 2017 16: 37
      21
      What does Putin have to do with it? All these oligarchs act with his approval!
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 28 December 2017 17: 24
        21
        Indeed, for our country, to think that the bank is by itself, the oligarchs are separate, but Putin himself is not in the know, this is certainly not given to everyone.
    5. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 28 December 2017 16: 54
      17
      Quote: olegfbi
      This is a separate and HUGE topic, but the behavior of the "oligarch" described in the article smacks of treason! I'd like to believe that betrayal will not go unpunished!

      Are you talking about Sberbank in Crimea or the Central Bank of the Russian Federation in Moscow?)
      1. olegfbi
        olegfbi 28 December 2017 18: 54
        +5
        Are you talking about Sberbank in Crimea or the Central Bank of the Russian Federation in Moscow?

        This is me about the policy of the Government of the Russian Federation.
    6. Victor N
      Victor N 28 December 2017 18: 00
      +8
      How reliable and complete is the information? Before raising a cry - you need to check. And then it seems that many here are just waiting for a reason to cheat on the authorities, having nothing to help Russia.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 28 December 2017 18: 38
        31
        Quote: Victor N
        And then it seems that many here are just waiting for a reason to cheat on the authorities, having nothing to help Russia.

        Make yourself a comparative analysis with a cutoff of thirty years of the so-called "democracy" of new Russia and thirty years in the RSFSR :. how many industrial plants were built, how many were destroyed and closed, how many lands were developed, how many were abandoned, how many planes, helicopters, ships, tractors were built and how many were written off as scrap metal. What are our “heroes” in the media now - Buzovs with Sobchak, with hairdressers Zaitsevs or workers in villages, mines, factories and factories.
        And then you, I hope, everything will fall into place.
        Speak to help Russia? Or maybe specify which one? Is it not the one that plundered state property and "bought" assets for the money of the same robbed population?
        Here the Government says: "Everything is fine with us!" But does not specify who exactly is good. The President says that he is satisfied with the work of the Government, while for some reason the population has a different opinion. Maybe we live in different countries and they rule some other people?) So who are you talking about optimism here?
        1. Victor Gorev
          Victor Gorev 29 December 2017 07: 30
          +3
          I agree with you regarding the work of the government. Our Prime Minister is just furniture. The president is in charge of everything and wants to make Russia one of the most powerful countries and GO INTO HISTORY. That is why he really "plows like a slave in the galleys" for 15 hours a day, and he does not give a damn about the people with the highest flax. There is a hope for a change in approaches to solving problems (ghostly) in PN Grudinin’s
        2. your1970
          your1970 29 December 2017 13: 36
          +1
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          helicopters built
          -the freshest Mi-24 in our regiment was 1984 onwards Then for some reason 7 years until 1991 (when everything fell apart) there were no supplies ..
        3. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 4 January 2018 03: 44
          0
          Recall the dyke - missiles and the base were removed from Cuba, they left the American base. The troops were withdrawn from Germany forever. Lost the Middle East, closed hundreds of different programs, and African and Asian and so on. Distributed production and weapons technology. Distributing resources. Help programs closed. Participated in the cold war. They put the economy here in all these industries into extremely inefficient devices, crushed not by efficiency but by common opportunities. The USSR collapsed. In this very USSR they brought up the very oligarchs, the same traitors, the very people who enriched themselves on privatization and wrote economic programs and then sold the country. These are not all the boys that the USSR did not see.
          So don’t need this nonsense that everything was fine before, and then suddenly ...
          How much is destroyed and closed? And how did the army end up in this state, where did the planes, helicopters, ships go? What, in a couple of years of democracy all fell apart?
          And these are the heroes in the Buzovy and Sobchak newspapers, you yourself do not equal either the country or the people. I don’t see such heroes in the newspapers. These are exclusively your interests.
          And now attention is a paradox!
          Well, you sold your vouchers and gave them to these future oligarchs, you helped them plunder state property, you gave bribes everywhere and were afraid to say something. It was so profitable for you. You voted for Yeltsin and for the sale of the country wherever possible. And now the same faces turned out to be bad for you. When the oligarchs were removed from power, when instead of scrapping they began to build something. When instead of the masses we had an army, when they began to look for and restore the long-lost ways. You and people like you started yelling that you don’t dare to do so. Everything is bad with us.
          You need it, you absolutely need everything to be bad, and that's what you are looking for, and if not, you just start composing. Without this, one cannot justify one's worthlessness, one cannot justify one's own betrayal. The population of a different opinion? And what do you have to do with the population? Your population in the Baltics dumped yes to Ukraine in the country of freedom.
        4. Nukesmoke
          Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 03: 57
          0
          I feel a darling in your statement of some kind of demagogic, swamp. No, of course everything is always good on paper. But I’ll ask you a question - accident rate in the USSR Air Force, say in the second half of the 30s (twenty years after the overthrow of tsarism just passed). Why the Air Force is a high-tech that they didn’t skimp on.
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    7. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2017 18: 02
      +7
      From the article is a rascal, Uralvagonzavod is clogged with orders, with the same six thousand railway platforms, for the Moscow Region, the order for which was concluded at the beginning of this year, for at least three years, so the private trader flew by.
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 28 December 2017 18: 28
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        From the article is a rascal, Uralvagonzavod is clogged with orders, the same six thousand railway platforms, for the Moscow Region,

        No, it’s not nonsense! They bought seven thousand cars from Uralvagonzavod and plan to buy another five thousand, but they don’t understand how to do it so that they wouldn’t fly into the pipe (frankly, sanctions) No wonder it all got out what
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 December 2017 21: 34
          0
          They can buy cars through another company.
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 28 December 2017 19: 08
        20
        Quote: Vadim237
        From the article is a rascal, Uralvagonzavod is clogged with orders, with the same six thousand railway platforms, for the Moscow Region, the order for which was concluded at the beginning of this year, for at least three years, so the private trader flew by.

        Bearing a rascal?
        But is it not the Uralvagonzavod that the private Alfa Bank nearly went bankrupt in the flesh before trying to suspend production? Or do we have two Uralvagonzavods? Can you explain how the strategic defense enterprise "sat down" on loans from private owners, which in turn nearly disrupted the implementation of the state order? Where "marveled our eyes?"
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 December 2017 21: 33
          +1
          Loans for it have already been given back - everything is calm with it, this year the state covered the debts of defense enterprises for 800 billion rubles.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 29 December 2017 09: 13
            +8
            Quote: Vadim237
            Loans for it have already been given back - everything is calm with it, this year the state covered the debts of defense enterprises for 800 billion rubles.

            Yesterday I read an interview with the general director of Uralvagonzavod about the bankruptcy of the enterprise, allegedly due to inefficient management. Going to "daughter" to sell, just the one that makes cars.
            Privatization of state property under the guise of not "effective" management continues, gentlemen, jurors?)
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 December 2017 17: 46
              0
              Who needs it - unprofitable production.
              1. passerby5
                passerby5 31 December 2017 18: 09
                0
                then here is such a "unprofitable" .. and buy it some LTD from the offshore. and the owner of this ltd is the daughter or son of the same director. that's all
            2. Red_Baron
              Red_Baron 4 January 2018 03: 49
              0
              I willingly believe that the CEO himself wrote about his own ineffective management, as I understand it, you always look like that in a book, you see a fig.
              I’ll tell you a secret. Now, UVZ has a huge number of contracts with which it can’t cope, moreover, there is still not less. So maybe the daughter should be sold? Or will it be sold formally to other structures to circumvent sanctions? But all around the same conspiracy theory ... :)
      3. PKTRL
        PKTRL 30 December 2017 16: 35
        +1
        "From the article is a rascal, the Uralvagonzavod is filled with orders, the same six thousand railway platforms, for the Moscow Region, the order for which was concluded at the beginning of this year, for at least three years, so the private trader flew by."

        Yes, and, by the way, not only the Uralvagonzavod man is "fed up" ..
        JSC Novozybkovsky Machine-Building Plant (Bryansk region), being one of the largest suppliers of railway rolling stock, large-capacity induction furnaces and welding units that have no analogues in Russia. nvzm.ru
      4. cherrybuster
        cherrybuster 2 January 2018 14: 18
        0
        this is because you are not aware that there are two productions)).
    8. Mih1974
      Mih1974 28 December 2017 20: 11
      20
      Or maybe rephrase - the question arises about the Head of this gang of oligarchs (thieves)? So for WHAT and WHOM Putin "slaves to the galleys": Putin - for the People - it seems not, for the oligarchs - in fact yes, they and trillions in banks to "cover damage" and privatization for pennies of huge and insanely expensive pieces of state property, and even out "co-compensation and amnesty for the return of stolen money" am . What do the “UVZ workers” say who “drowned” so much for Putin a couple of years ago? sad
      "We will by no means review the total privatization" am don’t want it, okay - Let's leave privatization alone, but - THEFT (mortgage auctions, etc.), let’s deal with this. negative am . And to each "we will repay what we deserve."
      Better the next president will be the one who "doesn’t understand anything in international politics today" (nothing, the main thing is "he doesn’t move much"), but - he will lower the interest rate, take away STATE corporations from oligarch officials and not allow the profits to go to the “Kukurins” they can’t defeat anything, and now they won’t let us do it at all, but to School stadiums and sports centers for CHILDREN !!! good
    9. Svetlana
      Svetlana 28 December 2017 20: 46
      14
      Quote: olegfbi
      liberal behavior of some people in power and big business

      Some? Yes, the government does not need to point a finger at anyone. This whole company has shown itself in all its glory. And there’s nothing to talk about oligarchs. How in our country overnight a bunch of scoundrels became billionaires everyone knows.
      1. dSK
        dSK 29 December 2017 01: 36
        +2
        Hello, Elena!
        Quote: Svetlana
        in our country
        there are a lot of “jambs” and we will have to fix them for a long time.
        "The proposal to exempt businesses from taxes in some regions of the Russian Federation makes sense, but is not without risks, said Russian leader Vladimir Putin. According to him, it is necessary to consider the implementation of this idea, which was voiced by the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party Vladimir Zhirinovsky. He proposed to exempt Sakhalin from taxes, and in case of success of the project - the whole Far East. “If they are still exempted from taxes, then of course such a tax haven may come,” the president added. This creates the danger that the entire Russian economy will "re-register in this tax zone"Putin emphasized. " (Channel "Tsargrad" 23: 20., 28.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX)
        In order to prevent the entire Russian economy from “registering” in Sakhalin in this case, restrictions can be placed - only manufacturers working on Sakhalin. Producers - not retail chains, intermediaries and others. hi
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 29 December 2017 06: 30
          +5
          Aha! They took away 50 billion rubles from the budget of the Sakhalin Region before the elections. In general, for three years as a protege of GDP, the budget started to steer the budget from 250 lard to 160 decreased.
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 29 December 2017 13: 57
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          This creates the danger that the entire Russian economy will "re-register in this tax zone," Putin emphasized. "(Tsargrad TV Channel 23: 20., 28.12.17)

          This creates ideal conditions for the Chinas and Japs to work, multiply, breed and occupy Russia without worries and problems, quietly and peacefully.
        3. Mih1974
          Mih1974 30 December 2017 08: 20
          +6
          How dare you just think about this "pay taxes where you work" laughing Well, are you encroaching on the "holy", from which then will Sobyanin twice a year transfer tiles in the same place? Then Gazprom will have to pay the same taxes for gas in Yakutia, Magadan, etc. but not pay in Moscow negative . Ah ah what a "bad person" you are, straight radish laughing Maybe you can order Lukoin, Rosneft, Novatek in the regions to pay taxes on the extracted national resources? "There is no cross on you, Orthodox" (c) the unnamed Potroshenko.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 December 2017 17: 49
            0
            With taxes of Moscow and the Moscow region - since the GDP of the city and region for the year 27 trillion rubles.
          2. Red_Baron
            Red_Baron 4 January 2018 03: 58
            0
            Cool nonsense. You can generally put all taxes into the regions, abandon federal programs. Make such principalities, mini countries. And then take and make them sovereign, Mr. Sharikov, and you are cunning !!! You wouldn’t have the price if it weren’t for the schizophrenia started. :)
      2. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 00
        0
        Hmm ... Maybe "this bunch" did not possess the qualities of a petty servant (scoundrel)? And then, after all, the lieutenant of the Golitsyna is tearing the vest on his chest, that the "bunch of bastards" seized power in Russia (we naturally lost the bastard)?
    10. Vanych
      Vanych 29 December 2017 02: 55
      +6
      time to expropriate the expropriators
      1. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 00
        0
        Take and share! A logical, but rather controversial decision.
    11. Bosch
      Bosch 29 December 2017 07: 14
      +7
      I have long had the opinion that the Russian government is a division of the Brandenburg regiment, perfectly fulfilling the task of destroying a great country.
      1. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 01
        0
        Then we can say that the CPSU as a whole was also in the "Brandenburg"? Yes, and a bunch of other people, ranging from teachers to professors?
    12. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 29 December 2017 08: 23
      0
      I still didn’t understand what was worrying the author of the article: the income of the private company V. Lisin, the vacated UVZ capacities, or
      Perhaps the problem will be solved by the car factory in Torzhok
      ?
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 30 December 2017 08: 22
        +4
        The question is Subordination to the Western sanctions of Our (nominally) cospositions of strategic importance for the existence of the Country of Russia !! Remind the in-person “Sberbank” which he worked in fascist Ukraine, but refused in the Russian Crimea (he was afraid of sanctions or obeyed them). negative
        1. DanSabaka
          DanSabaka 30 December 2017 08: 24
          0
          So an article about Sberbank? evano like ....
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 30 December 2017 08: 26
            +3
            The article is about the lack of sovereignty of companies that we foolishly considered "unauthorized Russian", but it turned out - no, they are American and follow American laws and sanctions. fool
            1. DanSabaka
              DanSabaka 30 December 2017 08: 31
              0
              Thank you, they clarified that it’s me who’s dull, and not the author who knows how to precisely convey the essence, but walks around ....
              for me the interests of UVZ are clearly expressed in the article, and the rest of the FSE is blah blah blah ....
            2. Red_Baron
              Red_Baron 4 January 2018 03: 53
              0
              And who considered private companies "independent of Russia"? Maybe he really "foolishly" and now passes from a sore head to healthy?
        2. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 4 January 2018 03: 55
          0
          That is, "First Freight Company" is of strategic importance for the existence of Russia ??????
          I never would have thought, but what does your neighbor Napoleon say? Surely he has something to advise!
    13. maiman61
      maiman61 29 December 2017 14: 03
      +6
      "If you take the problem seriously, the question of the adequacy and integrity of the economic policy of the government of the Russian Federation immediately comes to mind." , "the liberal behavior of some individuals in power and big business." It's ridiculous! The king is good, the boyars are bad! Well kindergarten! By golly!
      1. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 08
        0
        No matter how I read it, the whole runet is full of experts who know who is to blame and what to do. But the Khabariks did not learn how to throw in the ballot boxes. I'm just working as a janitor :))))
    14. Blombirus
      Blombirus 30 December 2017 21: 24
      +2
      Now more and more people realize the need for 37 years. Either Russia will get rid of the liberals in power, or we will have a sad fate. These so-called "elites" themselves hope to have a drink over the hill.
      1. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 31 December 2017 20: 28
        0
        Are you sure that you yourself will not get on the punishing organ? Bodies are not mistaken
      2. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 10
        0
        You know, there is a very funny thing - the "elites" who escaped beyond the hill lived in piercing poverty. Although in theory, they should have eaten eggs with spoons. It is funny that the "rootless" oligarch very quickly loses all that is. For, remember the entry in the book that Bender threw Koreiko?
    15. _person_
      _person_ 5 January 2018 01: 36
      +2
      The article is another emotional nonsense, stuffing, if you like, a one-sided, stubborn look at the situation. Either the author had a direct order to present the picture in this vein (why and to whom it might be profitable, until we leave it out of the brackets), or it was stupidly too lazy to think and understand the issues of the specifics of the railway rolling stock market - "people are doing it like that."
      For some reason, the author is silent about the fact that:
      1. In 2017, Freight One was acquired by 7000 so-called “innovative” freight cars (with increased carrying capacity) manufactured by Uralvagonzavod, or almost half of the company's output last year.
      2. The price of these cars in 2017 was increased by UVZ and other car builders by an average of 25-30% compared to the previous year and amounted to 2,4 million rubles. excluding VAT per wagon. In 2018, the price will be further increased to 2,9 million rubles. per wagon, i.e. the cumulative increase in the price of a new car for 2 years will exceed 50%, while the inflation rate is within 2,5% in 2017 and the target for 2018 is 4%.
      3. The position voiced by the management of Freight One is an element of commercial negotiations with car builders, ie standard search for the possibility of reducing the purchase price.
      4. The ultimate load in connection with the increase in railcar prices will be borne by not even the operator companies represented by Freight One, Freight One, NTS and others, but shippers and final consumers — that is, we are with you.
      5. In 2017, UVZ “suddenly” began to revoke licenses for other car manufacturers
      the production of carriage structural elements, which also “fueled” the demand for the company's products, depriving customers of the opportunity to turn to competitors for a more reasonable price for the car.
      6. UVZ for the next year has already been contracted for the production of wagons. Moreover, this year the plant refused to supply wagons, incl. for the needs of Russian Railways, as firstly, he was also contracted to the eyeballs, and secondly, he considered the price offered by the railroad workers to be low.
      So there is no “poor poor private UVZ” and “rich snickering PPGK. Both companies are solving their highly corporate problems.
      The problem is not even this, but in another, we already have some of the patriots reading the title of the article, Crying Yaroslavna through the Internet. even Grudin was sent here - there was also a "liberator", Gorbachev-2.
      Yes, there are problems in the state, including and with the jurisdiction of individual enterprises, and with imposed privatization, and with oligarchs, etc. etc. But you need to solve these problems progressively, thoughtfully, guided by long-term goals and prospects, i.e. steadily leading our country to gaining sovereignty (now it implements only one GDP, the government and the oligarchy are fierce, people are sleeping on the stove), and not stupidly wave the sword to the left and to the right, it will hit the right head and maybe it will keep its own on its shoulders
    16. iouris
      iouris 6 January 2018 01: 47
      0
      Quote: olegfbi
      Article = Cry of the Soul!

      No one hears a screaming, because everyone around is starting to scream. And the article is empty. You need to listen to those who do not shout, but speak essentially.
      ... Russia defeats sanctions exactly the opposite .... ... elite emperors ... ... a stab in the back to everyone ... ... from Putin to the janitor ... etc. Well, the style!
      If nothing can be done, then why write? Just wait for the terrible end. This is better than horror without end.
  2. Selin Andrey
    Selin Andrey 28 December 2017 15: 18
    12
    Campradors. Something like this.
  3. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 28 December 2017 15: 35
    24
    [quoteSomething tells me that our elite emperors pleaded defeated in the West. So, a stab in the back can be expected at any time. Everyone, from Putin to the janitor.] [/ Quote]
    It has long been inflicted.
    "There will be no review of the results of privatization in Russia. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview with American media on Saturday. According to him, he spoke about this many times and his position has not changed" (RIA News).
    As Prime Minister, Putin VV: ““ There is a lot of talk in society that the privatization of the 90s, including collateral auctions, was dishonest. And I completely agree with this, ”the presidential candidate writes in the article“ About Our economic problems. ”
    However, according to Putin, "taking property now, as some suggest, would simply lead to a halt in the economy, paralysis of enterprises and a surge in unemployment."
    In addition, the prime minister notes, “many current owners of these assets are formally bona fide acquirers.”
    “Formally” in our country is everything except American laws.
    1. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 28 December 2017 16: 59
      +8
      ... "There will be no revision of the results of privatization in Russia." Is this not the main function of the "elite" who put Russia on the menu? What if "Nothing Lasts Forever Under the Moon" is true?
      ... "the seizure of property now, as some suggest, would simply lead to a halt in the economy, paralysis of enterprises and a surge in unemployment." Russia is a generous soul. Weaning will wait. But what and who prevents to connect the domestic human potential, the economic efficiency of which today is either ridiculous or deplorable with its natural wealth? Why doesn't potential itself connect with wealth?
      ... “Bona fide purchasers” with “bona fide” primary capital, as it is a pity for them - more often and further than others they threw a shovel.
  4. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 28 December 2017 15: 40
    30
    Of course, I clearly realize that our authorities are low-key and terpily, ready for today's well-fed day and privileges to endure the bullying of English-speaking geeks, but to such an extent! I am sincerely surprised by the behavior of these mattress sixes and am finally convinced of the correctness of my choice - not to vote for the current president.
    1. andy.v.lee
      andy.v.lee 28 December 2017 16: 42
      +2
      Those who are “padding” will soon encounter a very big problem: the “war of civilizations” or cultures.
    2. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 29 December 2017 08: 44
      +3
      Some kind of crap, especially if you look through the Internet.
      In 2017, Freight One bought from Uralvagonzavod 7 thousand innovative and 200 covered wagons, and also wrote off more than 5 thousand units. (And what about the sanctions?).

      Freight One is part of the UCL holding, an international transport group whose head office is in Amsterdam. In 2016, the company's cargo turnover amounted to 13% of the cargo turnover on the entire network of Russian railways.

      UVZ has been on the sanctions list in Europe and the USA since 2014. (And to whom they have been selling wagons for three years ... and tanks?).
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 28 December 2017 15: 41
    +6
    Putin wages the main war not with the West, but with his own government. The legacy of the EBN and the family. Then he and Trump are two pair-boots.
    1. axxenm
      axxenm 28 December 2017 17: 01
      24
      Quote: shinobi
      Putin wages the main war not with the West, but with his own government. The legacy of the EBN and the family. Then he and Trump are two pair-boots.

      Is it your super-naivety or super-cynicism?
      1. Fight
        Fight 30 December 2017 05: 18
        +1
        Why not?! request repeat I think that in Russia there are two, let's call them clans, the economic and the power struggle for power because the GDP does not interfere in domestic politics, expects that they themselves pour firewood and thereby compromise themselves! And this, they, the economic clan, is very good at it! wassat in my sofa look, something like that .... winked
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    2. maiman61
      maiman61 29 December 2017 14: 15
      +1
      Or maybe with the Tatar-Mongol yoke? And what is EBN and the family? In what century was it?
  6. igorra
    igorra 28 December 2017 15: 46
    14
    The expropriation of the expropriated is needed, in any other way. Who shouted there that Putin was a dictator of an all-Russian ruler? The farther into the forest, the more right-handed Marx and Engels. What is communist China? Has anyone heard of the protection of the working class as the last bastion of communism in the world? It’s not us Russians, the last shirt, when we ourselves have nothing to wear. Recently I read an article (I don’t remember which resource I’m running on) about the work of a British journalist in Amazon warehouses for packing parcels, Mom Don't Cry. I think so, we will soon re-read the works of Lenin and Stalin.
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 December 2017 15: 46
    +5
    Hmmm ... this is something new. Thank you, Roman, I didn’t even think about this.
    That's because ...
  8. Loess
    Loess 28 December 2017 15: 51
    +6
    We plan to buy up to 5 thousand next year ... It is unclear who to buy from, because Tikhvin (Tikhvin Car-Building Plant) does not sell yet or names some unacceptable prices. The Uralvagonzavod, from which it would probably be ready to buy, is under sanctions. On the one hand, we want to buy from them, but on the other, we don’t understand how this can be done, ”said Oleg Bukin, General Director of Freight One.

    The US State Department in October published a list of Russian organizations and companies, cooperation with which could be fraught with the introduction of US sanctions. Including the list included UVZ. Prior to the publication of the list, Freight One bought 7 thousand innovative and 200 covered wagons from UVZ last year.

    Representatives of Uralvagonzavod, however, said that for them, the lack of a contract with Freight One is "not critical."

    We can only express regret that Freight One was not able to use our cars. But for the company this, of course, is not critical. Almost 70% of us will be provided with orders [in the 2018 year], but a number of negotiations are still underway. Most likely, this year’s figure will be exceeded. 2014 and I are under sanctions, and such problems have not arisen before. We do not consider this a problem, the enterprise noted.
    As far as I understand, the matter is not in UVZ. And a single taken CEO can be changed or squeezed out the entire company from the owners. In general, the problem got out "into the light", which means that completely different people will now take up its solution.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 28 December 2017 16: 57
      +1
      Quote: Less
      In general, the problem got out "into the light", which means that completely different people will now take up its solution

      Yes, now MANY people make a choice !!
  9. BAI
    BAI 28 December 2017 15: 57
    12
    And everywhere like that. Sberbank in the Crimea does not work. Some airline operating flights to the Crimea was covered, etc.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 28 December 2017 18: 07
      +4
      A grandiose construction project is successfully continuing in Crimea, and not at all alone! Grandiose projects are being implemented in the country - who understands.
      To hell with him, with Sberbank in Crimea: let the locals learn the service and moderate their appetites in the cost of services.
      1. groks
        groks 28 December 2017 19: 54
        +4
        Yes, everyone already understands. Another under investigation after a grandiose project.
        Our Hitler Governor is gone. It seemed indecent to plant, so they raised him to the side. Also on grandiose projects, he got burned.
        Can’t they be planted right away? They started to build a new cosmodrome (for example! Only for example! God forbid!). They gathered, divided the money, threw lots, to someone in London, to someone in the bullpen, who immediately gives part of the money to the security forces, well, etc. . And quietly parted. A pre-calculated percentage of the underserved is already quietly being built.
        1. Cossack 471
          Cossack 471 30 December 2017 19: 18
          +2
          Criminal cases should be initiated against authors and executors of grandiose projects immediately with the start of construction. Thus, by the end of construction, everything will be ready, both the object and the criminal cases. Why pull something?
  10. unignm
    unignm 28 December 2017 16: 13
    0
    everything is gone we all die
    1. askme
      askme 28 December 2017 18: 23
      +2
      Under the label of "patriots", yeah ... The very thing is to create a panic under this label, not even on the basis of facts, on the basis of their hysterical interpretations ...
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 30 December 2017 08: 29
      +1
      And here you are - absolutely right, We - ALL will die belay good laughing . "on planet Earth - 100% mortality"))
  11. EvilLion
    EvilLion 28 December 2017 16: 33
    +3
    So before the revolution, everything was the same.
  12. tv70
    tv70 28 December 2017 16: 37
    +2
    Something I got lost, what is it that turns out, we took our country into the arena?
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 28 December 2017 16: 37
    +7
    What just learned about it ... ??? Already in the late 90s, the question was raised, and who actually became the owners of the enterprises that had just been privatized, okay, they transferred all the technology to the West ... so they already sabotaged the entire government decree on the production of defense products, such as private property and the rest is in the same vein ... and there were no sanctions.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 28 December 2017 18: 14
      +1
      Yes, Russia has long been obliged to fall apart! We must ask those who prevented this! And oblige! And then, you see, they cleaned the Crimea, climbed into Syria! Mess!
      Dear, are you all right with logic?
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 28 December 2017 18: 55
        +7
        When the attack in Domodedovo happened ... how quickly they found the owners ... and where the companies were registered ... as you know, energy determines the security of the state ... where the companies are registered ... so everything is in order with logic.
  14. tv70
    tv70 28 December 2017 16: 38
    +1
    Sorry, for rent ...
  15. Perviy
    Perviy 28 December 2017 16: 40
    15
    It infuriates when huge resources are concentrated in the hands of the oligarchic kodla. The problem needs to be solved, but Putin seems to be comfortable with this state of affairs.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 28 December 2017 18: 18
      0
      And you are using it, tossing information whose reliability you can not verify? And do not even bother!
      All commentators are outraged, but not a single confirmation.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 29 December 2017 14: 38
      +3
      The oligarchic Caudle brought Putin to power. How can he argue with his patrons ...
      1. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 12
        0
        There was an episode when the omnipotent Gusinsky losing slippers jerked off to save his ass only from a couple of EBN phrases told to the head of the “nine”. This is the question of who is cooler - Power or Money.
  16. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 28 December 2017 16: 44
    +1
    Quote: olegfbi
    Article = Cry of the Soul!
    If we take the problem seriously, the question of the adequacy and integrity of the economic policy of the government of the Russian Federation immediately comes to mind.
    Many "mines are broken" on the topic of storing our reserves in US dollars ... This is a separate and HUGE topic, but the behavior of the "oligarch" described in the article smacks of treason! I'd like to believe that betrayal will not go unpunished!
    With all this, in my opinion, the liberal behavior of some individuals in power and big business (we will not point the finger) requires, at a minimum, verification by state security agencies.

    And closer to the election, these screams will become even greater!
    1. askme
      askme 28 December 2017 18: 26
      +4
      So the whole runes of the trolls are crammed with the CIA ...
  17. AKC
    AKC 28 December 2017 16: 57
    +8
    Roman learn materiel, Russia is built into the global economic system. For example, you do not ask what will happen to the cars if they cross the border of the Russian Federation? or some other pitfall that you did not see in righteous anger!
    why don't you resent the elite’s behavior when buying Siemens turbines for Crimea? or in this case is everything done right?
    it was not necessary to build communism as in the USSR, but to develop corporations and technologies as in the west in order to buy everything and everyone. Import substitution is only done quickly on paper when you write articles. the articles are simple. try it yourself!
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 28 December 2017 18: 01
      17
      It’s strange (read such a comment in your comment), but under the USSR, there were just technologies. Moreover, they were developed in such a way that even now we cannot fully master them. The USSR precisely created that very advanced technological reserve, from the military-industrial complex to outer space.
      And there were times when your West and its corporations lagged significantly behind the USSR, and not only in the field of free medicine and education (both higher and postgraduate). And, what Western corporations are so famous for today, it is precisely, for the most part, that there are Soviet technologies that have fallen behind the cordon in different ways.
      You are strange people! Blame the USSR, the CPSU, communism and socialism, and you yourself live on their achievements. Until now, you can’t eat it, Judas!
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 30 December 2017 08: 38
        +2
        Add to your arguments that - if the USSR did not begin to ruin itself, and for example began to reform, then modern China (which in general is just an example of the Reformation and not a collapse like the USSR) would be a miserable little baby against the background of the USSR. good By many technologies, the USSR was far ahead of the West. The story with the so-called "non-stick pans" "Teflon" is especially recalled - then a couple of pieces were fitted by one of our scientists (an outstanding chemist) with the task of "catching up and overtaking." So she quickly found a solution - Better, Longer, Cheaper good , BUT - here the USSR collapsed and everything was ... reno. belay negative I’m silent that now Russia has completely provided itself with grain, poultry, eggs, is close to a complete supply of pig meat and, according to the trend, beef meat. good That is generally logical, but buying grain in the USSR abroad was the cretinism of governing the country.
        Again, I’ll bring China — they saw the horror of the collapse of the USSR — and made the right conclusions both on governance and on changing elites, but preserving the Country and the direction of development. And now they have far less resources than the USSR had overtaken in economics in general ALL. good
  18. thinker
    thinker 28 December 2017 17: 43
    +5
    "Something is wrong with the Danish kingdom." One side -
    a person has 3rd capital in Russia and 57th in the world (according to the same Forbes in 2017),

    And on the other hand -
    UVZ is going through hard times. After leaving the post of director Oleg Sienko, the plant was transferred to Rostec, financial inspections began. Recently, workers dissatisfied with the new standards and wages sued management, and at the plant itself they organized an “Italian strike.”
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2017 18: 06
      0
      This customer will not go anywhere, in which country will he order wagons for the Russian railways? - But the cars are needed.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 28 December 2017 20: 09
        +3
        What does it mean in which? A holy place is never empty. Do you not know about competition as an adherent of capitalism?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 December 2017 21: 40
          0
          If you order cars abroad, they will be silver at a price.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 29 December 2017 18: 59
            0
            Oh, not a fact! China can do at the same price as in Russia.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 December 2017 17: 51
              0
              They will be 50% more expensive is the minimum.
      2. nvpoldmir180356
        nvpoldmir180356 5 January 2018 07: 27
        0
        Wagons not for Russian Railways, but for Freight One
  19. Terenin
    Terenin 28 December 2017 18: 06
    19
    Looking at the countless riches of our oligarchs, you understand how rich the country was the Soviet Union.

    ©
  20. olafcik
    olafcik 28 December 2017 18: 20
    +8
    Sometime .... two years ago, approximately, some on this portal said that it does not matter where this site is registered.
    A registered topwar.ru
    Whois Record for TopWar.ru
    Whois & Quick Stats
    Registrant Org VO-media Ltd. is associated with ~ 21 other domains
    Dates Created on 2010-04-20 - Expires on 2018-04-20
    IP Address 104.24.30.51 - 10 other sites hosted on this server Reverse IP
    IP Location United States - Arizona - Phoenix - Cloudflare Inc.
    ASN United States AS13335 CLOUDFLARENET - Cloudflare, Inc., US (registered Jul 14, 2010)
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    And shitty such statues, about how everything is bad in Russia, now it is becoming more than an order of magnitude .....))))
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 December 2017 19: 51
      +3
      One thing is NO COMENT !!!
    2. thinker
      thinker 28 December 2017 21: 05
      +4
      An analysis of topwar.ru data showed that this domain has an excellent Alexa rating and it is a very popular site with a high traffic level (more than 10 million per month). The leading position in terms of traffic share is occupied by Russia (55,3%), and the domain owner is VO-media Ltd ..

      Registrant Name: VO-media Ltd.
      Registrant Organization: VO-media Ltd.
      Registrant Street: 1 123 Krasnoarmeyskaya str.
      Registrant City: Izhevsk
      Registrant Postal Code: 426057
      Registrant Country: RU
      Registrant Phone: + 7.9058767079
      Do not confuse with hosting - a service of providing resources for placing information on a server.
  21. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 December 2017 19: 48
    +7
    Of course, the “Russian oligarchs” are no longer Russian, and for Russia they are the “fifth column”. And this column is ruining Russia regularly and constantly. The same situation was in the 1917 year, which led to the October Revolution. The people were tired of “feeding” this greedy flock of jackals, and it cost a small spark, it blazed so that the fire did not die out for 100 years.
    1. Nukesmoke
      Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 19
      0
      And how did the representatives of the "elite" of the Republic of Ingushetia, who fled to the West, shouted? Counts in a taxi, princes ate an advertising flyer) for advertising purposes) for free, etc.
  22. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 28 December 2017 19: 59
    +4
    Roman, you raised a very painful topic! There is a lot of such cognitive dissonance in the whole economy, industry, etc.! Very many do not understand this. Such as someone Turbris, until they turn blue, they argue that if the company is located in Russia and is controlled by Russians, then it automatically respects the interests of Russia! And they often pour allegations that even if a company has its own production in Russia, then it automatically becomes the property of Russia when it declares nationalization in force majeure! They don’t even think that often the most important thing in high-tech production is technology, including information! And it will be possible to immobilize this enterprise with ease from abroad! But launching it will be very problematic. Unfortunately, the brain of today's young people is completely killed by the current education system.
  23. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 December 2017 20: 24
    +2
    Author, are you a spy? Do you work against your own homeland? Yes, for nothing in the world, Lisin will not open to the magazine the schemes of how he will purchase Russian cars from UVZ. And what do you want? To let everyone know how, then, with Siemens turbines? Damn, how true is the slogan: "Chatterbox - a godsend for a spy!"
    It's time to cover up. Information. Who, what, where and how much ... In war, as in war.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 30 December 2017 08: 43
      +3
      And can you explain why you need some kind of "scheme" for the Russian (in theory) company to buy in Russia for the use of cars in Russia? Why does not this company spit on all sorts of American sanctions and laws? This is not a small sorting office anyway, but an essentially strategic task. In many countries, such areas of activity are generally exclusively the responsibility of the State. (which is not a sin for us) good
      1. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 21
        0
        You know the world is big, but I would like to sell the cars abroad (there is a banal market there more).
  24. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 28 December 2017 20: 43
    0
    The government of the Russian Federation has signed
    lump sum law
    from 01.01.2018 to everyone
    a citizen born in
    USSR in the period 1950 - 1994,
    300000 rubles each.
    More details: https://pp.userapi.com/c840732/v840732442/3b006/S
    2l54FNfNBk.jpg
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2017 21: 37
      +1
      Yes, yes, yes - money will not be enough 12 trillion rubles as if not how, it is necessary.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 29 December 2017 00: 28
      +4
      this is spam. Although the Bear could have forked out before the election! Not all to one wife to shout at him!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 December 2017 17: 51
        0
        He has so much and never will be.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 30 December 2017 19: 05
          0
          well then half of that. what is
  25. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 December 2017 21: 12
    +2
    I do not know a single country that literally produced everything on its own. All over the world there is an exchange of raw materials, equipment, goods, technologies. Therefore, I do not really believe that Russia will carry out the entire economic recovery
    on their own. The USSR could not even handle this. Obviously there was a lag in machine tools, mechanical engineering, light
    industry. Moreover, this happened at the highest level of the Academy of Sciences. The authorities forgot that after 1965 indemnities will cease and supplies from the former allies of fascist Germany will cease. But the time came when the ideologists decided to finish off our industry. RAS is in the corral. Although the representatives of fundamental science are very smart
    people, with the help of foreign journals, are walking along with scientists from all over the world.
    1. r4space
      r4space 29 December 2017 04: 58
      +5
      By your logic, if the USSR could not cope with the economic recovery of the SAM itself, then in Russia there will be good uncles of foreign states who will help her in this ... Right to the nausea fool - childish naivety from an adult ... Russia will raise its economy only on its own
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 30 December 2017 21: 12
        0
        You are in a patriotic fervor, you did not understand me at all. You write that I rely on the help of foreign
        I am writing about a handful of scientists, designers who cannot break through the barrier of officials,
        representing different departments. And about the help. That is currently Russia is helping the west,
        selling everything from Russian land that can be sold. And money is not added to the treasury of Russia. They sediment
        in foreign banks.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 30 December 2017 08: 46
      +2
      Why the hell are you talking about this "all on your own" nonsense? Why do you indulge liberally with their screeches "against the whole world" against Russia? The West is not the whole World !! The West is generally a very small honor of the World, and in terms of production - in general, it produces almost nothing unique. tongue
      And by the way, Russia-has the technology which is NOT available in the West. good tongue
    3. Nukesmoke
      Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 23
      0
      To RAS a separate question. Like scientists.
  26. Overlock
    Overlock 29 December 2017 00: 25
    +1
    Quote: You Vlad
    You can tighten the belt and is proud that we did not bend in front of the West! As I understand it, you bent.

    I suppose you caved in with Lisin?
    The people tightened their belts, and you are fattening?
  27. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 29 December 2017 00: 55
    +2
    And what is surprising? As soon as a company enters the world market, it is forced to abide by the “rules of the game” established there, otherwise it will be neither long loans to you for working capital replenishment, nor decent customers. The author of the enemies of the people is looking for?
    1. Anyone
      Anyone 29 December 2017 02: 51
      0
      The author has noticed the right trends in our economy and the inconsistency of triumphant reports about allegedly "stupid Western sanctions." But the conclusions from this he made quite controversial, I agree. In the end, sanctions in a globalized economy cannot be a priori useful. They are harmful to the West. But here a rule even works: while a fat one dries, a thin one dies. Therefore, our leadership needs to work to weaken and further lift the sanctions. This is not the case when you need to rest against the horn ...
      1. Valery Saitov
        Valery Saitov 29 December 2017 08: 38
        +1
        Some kind of crap, especially if you look through the Internet.
        In 2017, Freight One bought from Uralvagonzavod 7 thousand innovative and 200 covered wagons, and also wrote off more than 5 thousand units. (And what about the sanctions?).

        Freight One is part of the UCL holding, an international transport group whose head office is in Amsterdam. In 2016, the company's cargo turnover amounted to 13% of the cargo turnover on the entire network of Russian railways.

        UVZ has been on the sanctions list in Europe and the USA since 2014. (And to whom they have been selling wagons for three years ... and tanks?).
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  29. Arkady Kharitonov
    Arkady Kharitonov 29 December 2017 02: 28
    +3
    I think in the end, you just have to confiscate the property of companies located in Russia that adhere to other people's sanctions. I think maybe with costs, but Russia, due to Western sanctions, will get rid of the oligarchs.
    1. Kapikuk
      Kapikuk 30 December 2017 10: 06
      0
      I agree completely, we unfortunately do not understand otherwise
  30. Arkady Kharitonov
    Arkady Kharitonov 29 December 2017 02: 31
    +3
    a couple of tax audits a couple of arrests and they will be obedient and just sell the business. Perhaps it is worth the law to accept that the property of companies adhering to Western sanctions will be confiscated.
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 29 December 2017 05: 33
      +2
      Quote: Arkady Kharitonov
      a couple of tax audits a couple of arrests and they will be obedient and just sell the business.

      A delightful delirium .. although they are doing an example now - Zakharchenko’s system is so arranged and therefore all business except trade is killed ..
  31. Arkady Kharitonov
    Arkady Kharitonov 29 December 2017 02: 35
    0
    it is necessary to speed up the production of our own aircraft engines; otherwise, it may be left without aircraft
  32. gsev
    gsev 29 December 2017 03: 44
    +1
    At work, I have to do automation. My observations. Very cheap high-tech products from China and possibly North Korea began to arrive in Russia. For example, I specifically looked at the price of products in 2012 and now. On a drive, a drop in prices in rubles by 15 .... 25%. And at the exhibition, talking with representatives of China, I hear from them that the price of FOB Shanghai or Qingdao frequency drives is higher than retail prices in Moscow, although representatives said that their company is seriously fighting for access to the market in Russia. The servo drive was 1000 US dollars, it became 14000 rubles, the operator panel, 700 dollars, it became 4800 rubles ... 10900 rubles, capacitive sensors 70 dollars, it became 590 rubles. The problem is lack of knowledge of Chinese and some caution in dealing with the Chinese. They are waiting for large wholesalers, and they are besieged by clouds of small buyers, each of which takes their time. There are also competitive offers from purely Russian manufacturers, for example, the PR200 perfectly replaces the Siemens Logo series. So reorientation from the Germans, French, South Koreans and Japanese in favor of China is worth the candle. Moreover, the Chinese at a high level push their products to end consumers, especially private companies or independent units, where there are Russian-speaking employees or employees with long-term experience with Russians. So all that the West refuses us can be acquired in the east. For a more successful business, the head of the enterprise must meet a Chinese student at a Moscow university or a graduate of the Linguistic Institute of the PRC, who are sent for an internship to Russia for a year. For example, they work as sales assistant in a market in Lublin. Those who will equip their enterprises with non-Chinese products will lose at least 30 ... 40% more, or even 3 times for the purchase of fixed assets and spare parts. So in the next 5 years, a considerable part of businessmen sharing European values ​​can go bankrupt if their friends from the West fail to replace Putin with a person loyal to them. The government simply will not give money to all businessmen in a row. Maybe they should be kept in Western banks. But when representatives of the poultry farms promised Putin to provide Russia with domestic products, they received effective financial and political assistance. And the US State Department on the chicken front began to behave with Russia without sanction tantrum. Perhaps at the last meeting with Putin, representatives of the fishing industry tried to follow the beaten path, instead of half-smuggling to drive products abroad. So everything flows, everything changes. And it may be better slowly than jerking and crises. At least in our country, as in China, tens and hundreds of thousands of representatives of business and public services do not go to jail. In China, this seems to be a serious problem. This may be the integrity of the policies of the current government.
  33. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 29 December 2017 04: 09
    +3
    I’m surprised ... although it’s not already. How people like fried with us! Yes, go through the country, see how the country lives, what it builds, what it produces. by the way, and to other countries.
    1. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 29 December 2017 12: 35
      +2
      1) “Integration” for several decades. How have thousands of years survived?
      2) List - what do we not have for survival?
      3) Russia's damage from "integration" into a unipolar world exceeds losses from the Second World War. In nature, everything is interconnected, but it should be alarming if you feel someone else's digestive juice (privatization, deci-indicator for 10, mass media, banking ...).
      1. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 5 January 2018 04: 26
        0
        1. Figs survived. That's why the jump development.
        2. For example, human resources.
        3. A highly controversial statement.
  34. core
    core 29 December 2017 05: 07
    +3
    we have a free country, obey the sanctions, do business in another place, dozens of others will take the place of this company. there is always a choice, do not be shy.
  35. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 29 December 2017 08: 35
    +1
    Some kind of crap, especially if you look through the Internet.
    In 2017, Freight One bought from Uralvagonzavod 7 thousand innovative and 200 covered wagons, and also wrote off more than 5 thousand units. (And what about the sanctions?).

    Freight One is part of the UCL holding, an international transport group whose head office is in Amsterdam. In 2016, the company's cargo turnover amounted to 13% of the cargo turnover on the entire network of Russian railways.

    UVZ has been on the sanctions list in Europe and the USA since 2014. (And to whom they have been selling wagons for three years ... and tanks?).
  36. viktorch
    viktorch 29 December 2017 09: 59
    +2
    there will be no privatization reviews,
    there will be a new privatization,
    why are our oligarchs in some 57th places, we urgently need to put them in their place - first place in the Forbes list,
    Well, we nationalize the losses, the Russian slaves will endure everything, we only need to invest more in controlling public opinion, more Kremlin bots, more fat and zyuganov, more bulk and breast, more gundyaev, so we will win.
  37. jackomb
    jackomb 29 December 2017 10: 05
    +1
    How so? They are for him dear friends, so it crumbles before them, in captivity you will think, does it make sense to vote again for Putin?
  38. Moon reflection
    Moon reflection 29 December 2017 11: 17
    +2
    I have no words! They could squeeze Vkontakte from Durov, but they cannot nationalize an important defense enterprise.
  39. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 29 December 2017 11: 42
    +2
    I wonder what Russian patriot Putin and Prime Minister Dima Medvedev think about this.
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  41. ololo
    ololo 29 December 2017 16: 30
    +1
    I see no reason to panic. Russia from the very beginning full-time state. And all the "achievements" are logical.
  42. vladikod
    vladikod 29 December 2017 17: 01
    +2
    Obviously, nationalization ... the best way out of this situation, arranged by the West and the home-grown oligarchs, illiterate and immoral, who are bred as blind kittens by Western hook-makers ... And for these oligarchs, for some reason they hang orders?! ... For what merits?
  43. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 29 December 2017 17: 03
    +1
    Therefore, banks do not work in Crimea either, such a situation begins to strain who the government works for, the people or the oligarchs, and Putin keeps silent and praises the government.
  44. Nik_60
    Nik_60 29 December 2017 17: 47
    +2
    YOU HAVE DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT PUTIN IS THE MAJOR ENEMY OF RUSSIA AND ALL THESE ROME VEKSELBERG USMANA ALL THIS ITS DERIVATIVES. SORRY. WELL YES BETTER LATE. Although it will be too late
    1. Sidor76
      Sidor76 29 December 2017 20: 30
      +2
      So I also think so. Was recently in the village. In the morning I went out of the gate, I think, at least say hello to the people hurrying to work. An old man is approaching with a shuffling gait- hello, Uncle Wan. Your copper, wow old man. This is Kolka, he studied in the same class as my daughter. Another "shadow" comes up, gnaws the melted cheese along with a wrapper, his eyes swam. A classmate is another one. Do foreigners make a renovation, you say? And I myself "gave birth" to the builder? No. No godmother either. Definitely Putin is to blame. And do not tell about advanced technologies in the USSR, especially in the late 70s and later. This is just my opinion.
  45. Alex968m
    Alex968m 29 December 2017 21: 28
    +5
    I am engaged in the maintenance of television transmitters. The first digital transmitters on our RTPS were American HARRIS, but this was delivered even before the well-known events. Then it was the turn to expand the DVB-T2 network to low-power repeaters, which was just at the beginning of the sanctions and retaliatory measures - then we finally remembered that DVB-T2 transmitters were also offered by domestic manufacturers - we sent domestic transmitters to us. At the end of this year, the turn came to install equipment for the second multiplex on low-power repeaters. And ... American transmitters came again under this business !!!! And not lying around somewhere in warehouses, but the freshest deliveries (October release of this year). The question is: where is the response? Why did they not give a damn about their country, its industry, and again they began to subsidize the economy of their main enemy with their own ruble ???
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 December 2017 17: 54
      0
      Probably made in Taiwan.
  46. Cuba
    Cuba 29 December 2017 23: 05
    +2
    Quote: the most important
    Quote: olegfbi
    Article = Cry of the Soul!
    If you take the problem seriously, the question of the adequacy of the Russian government immediately comes to mind.

    Yes, everyone has long understood that these "gentlemen" can only cut the budget .. But on the VO website there are a huge number of their admirers who prove with foam from their mouth that everything is just wonderful in the country! And as it comes to the specifics, they have nothing to say ...


    in short - then the government, led by an iPhone - SHIT !!! !!! ...
  47. Brigadier
    Brigadier 30 December 2017 07: 00
    0
    And so it will continue if Putin and the jackals influencing him - the oligarchs and their accomplices - remain in power!
    We must choose someone who is not bound by strong threads to our oligarchs, who comes and disperses all the “foreign agents” that influence Putin’s decisions, who owe nothing to them, unlike Putin!
    We vote for Grudinin !!!
  48. The brightest
    The brightest 30 December 2017 09: 28
    +2
    Therefore, the state should have monopolies such as: railways, resource extraction, the BANK should belong to the state, and not be independent (emphasized by the Fed). It should also have a preparing share of the agricultural market. And let the petty bourgeoisie serve the population, they can only be trusted by sewing clothes, they can even poison shawarma ...
  49. Kapikuk
    Kapikuk 30 December 2017 10: 04
    +2
    bring them down and their families, and take away the business, and to sell money to the budget, it’s silly, but they don’t understand in another way ....
  50. Yarik
    Yarik 30 December 2017 11: 03
    +1
    Otherwise, real sanctions and real financial losses. The threat to business, the threat to the personal empire of Chevalier of the Order of Honor and Alexander Nevsky Vladimir Lisin.

    And who awarded? F toppku.