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German sailors returned the new frigate for revision

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For the first time in its stories returned the ship to the manufacturer for revision. According to the portal navaltoday.com, the German fleet rejected the newest frigate Baden-Württemberg.


The BAAINBw Procurement Agency under the German Defense Ministry reported that after a series of acceptance tests, the frigate of the shipyard Blohm + Voss returns to eliminate the deficiencies found. The military did not specify the reasons for the return, but the German Navy had previously stated that the new frigate had problems with software and a lurch to the starboard.

German sailors returned the new frigate for revision


Baden-Württemberg is the first of four ships of the F125 type. Frigate planned to transfer the fleet July 28, but due to a number of problems, the term for the transfer to the fleet was repeatedly postponed. This summer, the Baden-Württemberg underwent a cycle of acceptance tests, which included testing of artillery and missile weapons. As shown by trial operation, the ship was not ready for combat duty.

In size, ships of the F125 type are comparable to destroyers, but in Germany they are classified as frigates, making them the largest combat units in their class. The length of Baden-Württemberg is almost 150 m, width - 19 m, draft - 5 m, full displacement reaches 7200 t. F125 frigates are equipped with a combined power plant of the CODLAG type, combining diesel generators and electric motors. One of the features of the new ships is a long maintenance cycle. The frigate must be without maintenance at the base for two years, while performing operations of medium intensity (5000 hours per year).

The frigate is armed with Otobreda 127 caliber mm and two 27-mm MLG 27 anti-aircraft guns. In addition, the ship has launchers for various types of combat missiles and anti-submarine torpedoes. The total cost of building four ships of the F125 type will be € 2,2 billion. The construction of the second ship of the F125 type (Nordrhein-Westfalen) should be completed next year, and two more (Sachsen-Anhalt and Rheinland-Pfalz) in 2019, reports "Warspot"
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  1. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 25 December 2017 12: 19 New
    +5
    however, earlier the German Navy stated that the new frigate has problems with the software and roll to starboard.

    Effective work is immediately visible - Russian hackers and Chukchi divers! good NATO is in a panic - Russians are everywhere! laughing We are waiting for official accusations and threats! yes
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 25 December 2017 12: 37 New
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      Well, where are all the whiners who say that our ships are being built for a long time? Do you think such a scheme is better?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 December 2017 12: 43 New
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        Quote: Muvka
        Do you think such a scheme is better?

        Here is a win-win logic - to work no better than the enemy, but so that the enemy does something worse than us. Do you recall Ivan Gren? Or maybe Gorshkov? Or maybe the modernization of Nakhimov, which has been going on for 5 years? Let me remind you, this TARK was built from scratch in the USSR in 5 years.
        The Germans will return and finalize, but what do we have? Is there a serial GTU? Why rejoice and harden it?
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 25 December 2017 12: 50 New
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          Coming soon. Did Germany decay 25 years ago? Do not remind? Do they also have the capacity to produce high-tech products outside the country?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 December 2017 12: 54 New
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            Quote: Muvka
            It will be soon.

            Well, yes ... it remains to complete the picture, shout-Hurray!
            Quote: Muvka
            Do they also have the capacity to produce high-tech products outside the country?

            But is this “burning” for them? Will you be reminded that the Bundeswehr armed forces are part of NATO military forces?
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 25 December 2017 15: 22 New
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              Well, yes ... it remains to complete the picture, shout-Hurray!

              laughing laughing laughing
              Our galaxy troops will take neighboring galaxies soon. Uryayayaya!
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 25 December 2017 12: 52 New
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      Quote: Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs Today, 12:19 PM New
      however, earlier the German Navy stated that the new frigate has problems with the software and roll to starboard.

      Effective work is immediately visible - Russian hackers and Chukchi divers! good NATO in a panic - Russians everywhere! laughing We are waiting for official charges and threats!

      Not sure about Russian hackers. All of Germany under the current Fuhrer, and she personally, have a strong roll to the right and big problems with the "software."
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 25 December 2017 23: 40 New
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        That's for sure. Pinned.
  2. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 25 December 2017 12: 22 New
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    The Germans had only one successful project, Bismarck!
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 25 December 2017 12: 31 New
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      For me, so submarine 7 series, WWII))
      How “successful-unsuccessful”, time will tell) The ship, in the new series, is the lead one. It’ll finish, and it will slap on the sea-ocean, to the delight of adversaries.
    2. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 25 December 2017 13: 02 New
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      Quote: burigaz2010
      The Germans had only one successful project, Bismarck!

      super lucky)) only drown quickly)))
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 25 December 2017 13: 29 New
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        It’s drowning in your toilet, and Bismarck went to the bottom ... with almost empty cellars, damaged guns, and all in holes. Yes, and it is completely unknown, different versions are being put forward! In general, enemies are not enemies, Germans, or Japanese ... Americans , people in the navy, people of honor, there’s either everything abyss or all the winners! And Admiral Fraser himself gave honor to Scharnhorst, and that says a lot about German sailors! Tirpitz has a tragic fate in general, ships shouldn’t die like that, imagine the Bismarck squadron , Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau ... with the support of several submarines and destroyers of the Z series, the kirdyk would come to the fleet of the metropolis. And yes, about the "utop" before this "utop" .. Bismarck from 23 km from one volley, popularly explained the royal handsome Hood who is the boss in the situation!
        1. Cxnumx
          Cxnumx 25 December 2017 13: 56 New
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          Quote: igorka357
          Drowns in your toilet

          I don’t cherish the Nazis, be they heroes at least 10 times.
          Quote: igorka357
          Bismarck with 23 km from one salvo, popularly explained to the royal handsome Hood who is the boss in the situation!
          Yeah, right from one
          In 5: 56, the sixth salvo from the Prince of Wales hit Bismarck, shells damaged fuel tanks and caused fuel to leak and fill them with water, the ship began to leave the oil shelf. A minute later, the Hood received hits from the third Bismarck volley and the second Prince Eugen volley on the ship began fires. At this time, the Bismarck received two more hits from the Prince of Wales below the waterline. By 6: 00 hours the ships got closer to 16 km. At this time the Hood covered the fifth salvo from the German battleship, the explosion and pride of the English fleet broke in terrible force and broke in half in a matter of minutes. Of the entire crew of 1417, only three were saved.
          but about the fact that Bismarck was not a super-weapon (yes, very tenacious, powerful and dangerous): effective U submarines - the approximate cost is 4,5 million reichmark (I can be wrong, but hardly much); The cost of the battleship Bismarck is 198,8 million Reichsmarks. The cost of the Tiger tank is about 800 thousand Reichsmarks. In total, one battleship is equivalent to 249 Tiger tanks. This is quite enough to equip the tank division with tanks, but the tank division also has cars, armored personnel carriers, guns and so on and so forth. © Andrey from Chelyabinsk.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 25 December 2017 18: 19 New
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            Brrr .. straight from the wiki re-post, well, what else to take from you .. wink One should try to read about such events, if not the primary sources, but closer to them, Bismarck made Hood's fork ... that the Germans in the Navy had almost a tradition .. so, you need to explain the campaign, the fork is the first salvo of short duration, the second flight, and the third gives cover, and so ... from the third and only salvo, Bismarck covered Hood with a hit, and Hood went to the bottom! Bismarck didn’t hit the Hood with six salvos, he got just one salvo! Eigen hit the Briton, but not deadly! And I think you won’t argue that after the collision with Bismarck, even the mention of Tirpitz caused tremors in the knees of the British admirals, the whole fleet of the metropolis was chasing Tirpitz, along with aircraft, since the Britons saw what Bismarck was doing. .and understood the real threat! And as for the Nazis, I am also against Nazism, but I pay tribute to the German shipbuilding, and yes ... even Fraser who fought with Scharnhorst saluted him, and said to his sailors, "I want the next in battle, you fought like that ... like you fought today Scharnhorst ranks ".. and such a recognition of the enemy admiral is expensive
            1. Cxnumx
              Cxnumx 26 December 2017 03: 38 New
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              Quote: igorka357
              Brrr .. straight from the wiki re-post, well, what else to take from you ..

              No, I re-posted with VO, there is such an article. from which sources did you get the information that it was the third volley of Bismarck that destroyed Hood? in the wiki or "not in the wiki" they write about the fifth, i.e. after the notorious “fork” (oh, these naval cockroaches about “walk, don't swim,” “go down, don't drown,” etc.), and by a simple 2 sighting and a third hit, there were still volleys . and the fate of Bismarck himself, if you take a little wider, was also decided precisely in this battle, if he hadn’t received those injuries here, he would not have been baited. and so ... exchange battleship 1 for battleship 1, only the Saxons spent more time and money in the end. but against the background of the price of a battleship, it’s a penny.
              about
              Quote: igorka357
              even Fraser, who fought with Scharnhorst, saluted him, and told his sailors "I want you to fight in the next battle so ... how did the Scharnhorst sailors fight today" .. and such admission of the enemy admiral is worth a lot?

              I do not agree. the Germans knew how to fight perfectly, but I believe that all these creatures who came to us with weapons had to be either destroyed or forced to work in camps for up to 50-60 years without any "respect". my ancestors left me such impressions about them. and do not care what kind of warriors they are there, because what they did in no way connected with military valor. therefore, "drowned" and well, these creatures are not worthy of respect, because if they had won, there would have been no one to respect them here.
              There are also many questions regarding the effectiveness of these types of ships.
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 25 December 2017 13: 14 New
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      This is not a project, but a type ... and the Scharnhorst type isn’t successful, and their seventh series of submarines was gorgeous, and in aviation the Fritz went far, like in tank building! Well, our grandfathers and grandmothers broke their backbone!
  3. svp67
    svp67 25 December 2017 12: 24 New
    +1
    For the first time in its history, the German naval forces returned the ship to the manufacturer for revision. According to the portal navaltoday.com, the German fleet rejected the newest frigate Baden-Württemberg.
    That's what it means to attract migrants to work .... Well, dashing misfortune STARTED ...
    1. 32363
      32363 25 December 2017 14: 20 New
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      Quote: svp67
      For the first time in its history, the German naval forces returned the ship to the manufacturer for revision. According to the portal navaltoday.com, the German fleet rejected the newest frigate Baden-Württemberg.
      That's what it means to attract migrants to work .... Well, dashing misfortune STARTED ...

      migrants are not attracted to such orders., there are schools, we’ll fix it and continue to work, the one who does nothing is not mistaken.
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 December 2017 14: 21 New
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        Quote: 32363
        migrants are not attracted to such orders., there are schools, we’ll fix it and continue to work, the one who does nothing is not mistaken.

        But this is the first time in so many years ... Although it is necessary to start somewhere ....
        1. 32363
          32363 25 December 2017 14: 26 New
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          Quote: svp67

          But this is the first time in so many years ... Although it is necessary to start somewhere ....

          which is the first time, never before has something new worked right away and without jambs, the usual process of refinement and refinement, and so with any manufacturer, whether it is Russian or German.
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          2. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 25 December 2017 20: 06 New
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            Quote: 32363
            32363 Today, 14:26 ↑
            Quote: svp67

            But this is the first time in so many years ... Although it is necessary to start somewhere ....

            which is the first time, never before has something new worked right away and without jambs, the usual process of refinement and refinement, and so with any manufacturer, whether it is Russian or German.

            Once I talked with a German, a design engineer from the automobile industry. We then sat in a prototype VAZ "Kalina". He said that he liked the car and asked when it could be bought. I hesitated and said that it’s one thing when you can and another when you need to buy. He replied that when needed, he himself knew - two years after the start of serial production. I was amazed that this is the case with you in Germany too? He said yes, exactly.
            1. 32363
              32363 25 December 2017 23: 11 New
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              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              He replied that when needed, he himself knew - two years after the start of serial production. I was amazed that this is the case with you in Germany too? He said yes, exactly.

              laughing rightly said, the laws of physics are everywhere the same as the number of dolbons per a certain number of people, it’s easier with the auto industry, there I tested a dozen cars, identified weaknesses, corrected the error and again in a series, with ships it’s not so, it's not even airplanes, not a serial product, but piece.
              1. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 26 December 2017 19: 39 New
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                Quote: 32363
                it’s easier with the car industry, there I tested a dozen cars, identified weaknesses, corrected the error and again in the series

                All in all, true. Only the quantities are different - several series (up to 10) of several dozen cars. For example, about 10 years ago, only on crash tests to check compliance with all safety standards, 21 cars had to be broken. This is with all the positive results. In case of problems (and how without them?), After improvements it was necessary to beat on a new one. All this garbage, about 36, 24, 12 or 6 months to develop a new car for some Germans or Japanese - is nothing more than noodles on their ears.
                For these 36, 24, 12 or even 6 months, you can develop and manufacture some unique car in a single copy, but not a mass model.
                In mass automobile production, there are many problems that shipbuilding has never even dreamed of.
                1. 32363
                  32363 27 December 2017 14: 11 New
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                  Quote: Captain Pushkin

                  In mass automobile production, there are many problems that shipbuilding has never even dreamed of.

                  smile maybe, but there were orders for us from the automakers, Formula 1, Mercedes, to be honest, the performance of parts (fit tolerances) for automakers are different, simpler than ours.
                  1. Captain Pushkin
                    Captain Pushkin 27 December 2017 18: 13 New
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                    Quote: 32363
                    there were orders for us from car manufacturers, Formula 1, Mercedes, to be honest, the performance of parts (landing tolerances) from car manufacturers are different, simpler than ours.

                    I have no doubt that in shipbuilding there are a lot of problems and technologies that are not known in the automotive industry. If about the Formula-1 is a piece production, some kind of order of a Mercedes, probably also something of a small-scale. And in the automotive industry, the main problem is how to make a mass car with high consumer qualities, low cost, corresponding to the breakthrough of restrictive laws and regulations. For example, if all the regulatory documents that a car must comply with are put together in print, this pile will be heavier than any car, i.e. will pull more than one ton.
                    1. 32363
                      32363 28 December 2017 05: 18 New
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                      Quote: Captain Pushkin
                      And in the automotive industry, the main problem is how to make a mass car with high consumer qualities, low cost.

                      the same problems everywhere winked Well-trained and well-paid cadres, Ordnung coupled with discipline, reduce production costs and improve product quality significantly, non-residents often quote IV Stalin, "Cadres solve everything" "every problem has a name and surname."
      2. ZVO
        ZVO 25 December 2017 14: 49 New
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        Quote: 32363

        migrants are not attracted to such orders., there are schools, we’ll fix it and continue to work, the one who does nothing is not mistaken.


        Have you been at least one German company?
        1. 32363
          32363 25 December 2017 14: 52 New
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          Quote: ZVO

          Have you been at least one German company?

          and not even one)), my prints are also on that vessel (see photo in the title) wink
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 25 December 2017 15: 52 New
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            Quote: 32363
            Quote: ZVO

            Have you been at least one German company?

            and not even one)), my prints are also on that vessel (see photo in the title) wink


            Photo prints?
            :)
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 December 2017 12: 25 New
    +1
    and roll to starboard.
    And that the roll did not immediately notice? We rushed to test the electronics and did not pay attention to the fact that the deck is at an angle. The more stocks of NATO countries, the better.
  5. Alexander War
    Alexander War 25 December 2017 12: 28 New
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    Recently, increasingly with NATO ships that have no analogues in the world laughing malfunctions occur
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 26 December 2017 23: 15 New
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      Quote: Alexander War
      Alexander War Yesterday, 12:28
      Recently, more and more problems with NATO ships that have no analogues in the world are laughing.

      There were always enough shoals in the fleets. Just before the Internet was not.
      For example, in the famous battle in the Danish Strait, the British nominally had double superiority in heavy artillery. But at the decisive minutes King George the fifth was unable to open fire in time due to malfunctions of the main caliber, and Hood divided the fire into Bismarck and Prince Eugen, and in fact the Germans had double fire superiority. As a result, hits in English ships turned out to be twice as many as in German ones.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 25 December 2017 12: 29 New
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    Not surprised - after England with their aircraft carrier, it was to be expected that somewhere else they would save money! And all because the incentive to build qualitatively fell, because the USSR was such an incentive before, and now, since NATO has no enemies, they are building on the principle of “this will do!” So ​​the self-propelled, or re-isolated due to improper centering!
  7. oldzek
    oldzek 25 December 2017 12: 30 New
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    if you think about the roll, I remember I went on the same ship, I walked for 3 years with a constructive roll of XNUMX degrees.
  8. san4es
    san4es 25 December 2017 12: 36 New
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    Baden-Württemberg - the first of four ships of the F125 type

  9. faterdom
    faterdom 25 December 2017 17: 40 New
    +1
    They will wait for the Android update.
  10. Star
    Star 25 December 2017 22: 38 New
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    Hmm .. But isn’t it forbidden for them to produce heavy weapons?