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Japan may purchase F-35B for its helicopter carriers

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The Japanese Defense Ministry is studying the issue of purchasing the latest American F-35B combat aircraft with the possibility of a short take-off and vertical landing to equip its helicopter carriers, reports TASS message from Kyodo agency.




Buying an F-35B will actually enable Japan to use its helicopter carriers as light aircraft carriers. Currently, the fleet has two such ships of the Izumo class with a length of 248 m. It is planned to commission two more ships.

At the same time, the Japanese government has already decided to purchase for its Air Force more than 40 multi-purpose and low-profile F-35А aircraft with the usual take-off and landing system.

“F-35B modification machines can be included in this batch or purchased separately. In addition to being used on light aircraft carriers, combat aircraft of this type with short take-off acceleration and vertical landing are supposed to be used for the defense of remote islands where there are no airfields with long runways, ”the material says.

Thus, “the actual acquisition of aircraft carriers will be a new major step in moving away from the policy of abandoning offensive weapons, which Tokyo adhered to the entire period after the Second World War,” the agency notes.

In addition, the government of Shinzo Abe intends to purchase cruise missiles with a range of up to 900 km, "potentially capable of striking attacks on the territory of neighboring countries," adds the publication.
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  1. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 December 2017 11: 23
    +4
    Reasonable. The F-35B does not need a springboard or a catapult.
    Right across the board - and up.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 25 December 2017 11: 31
      +1
      For them, to begin with, would they test whether the planes would be heavy for helicopter carriers? And then the heels of the planes in reality, but with a full combat load, fully loaded at takeoff, will begin to rock the deck, and significantly increase the draft. .. In theory, one thing, but what comes of it in reality is another! And do not believe it, but we only benefit from the Japanese having these aircraft — we will get their exact characteristics, including the EPR, which, as someone claims, is at the level of statistical error.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 December 2017 12: 00
        +4
        "They would have to test them first, whether the planes would be heavy for helicopter carriers" ///

        There, the American marines have been using them for two years on their helicopter carriers.
        Take off with full load "overboard" with a short take-off.
        Here is a fully vertical take-off (no take-off) is possible only in lightweight
        option with subsequent refueling in the air.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 25 December 2017 12: 02
        +5
        These helicopter carriers were originally designed for the F-35 - do not hesitate. True, the Japs said no, we will never place these planes there, but it turns out. hi
    2. avt
      avt 25 December 2017 11: 34
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Right across the board - and up.

      wassat Azochenway! Over the side, it's right at the bottom. bully
      Quote: voyaka uh
      . The F-35B does not need a springboard or a catapult.

      According
      Quote: voyaka uh
      catapult.
      I won’t say anything, but the Angles needed a catapult for Harrier on their aircraft carrier ..... they’re probably just stupid. wassat Even now with ,, Lisa No. 1 "and ,, Prynts off the same Velesky" ... under ... do not believe it - the same Fu-35V ... Well, stupid-s-s-s-s! bully
      1. dSK
        dSK 25 December 2017 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Azochenway!

        The states allowed Japan to create a full-fledged army from the "self-defense forces" by paying the US military industry. Another "big deal" of a business president is to put "other people's hands" in "Korean war 2.0". It remains only to falsify the entry of the DPRK ICBMs in Tokyo.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 December 2017 12: 05
        +1
        for avt:
        Sorry, your posts are very difficult to read and understand.
        Welter. You quote yourself, then the opponent. And incomprehensible slang.
        So I can no longer respond to them. hi
        1. avt
          avt 25 December 2017 12: 55
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          So I can no longer respond to them.

          request Well, died, so died " bully But you can continue to hope that
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Welter. You quote yourself, then the opponent. And incomprehensible slang.

          It will continue until I get tired, or the rules of the site are not changed again, well, they will equate my comments with obscenities, for example, that's all. wassatFor sim hi cheat.
    3. svp67
      svp67 25 December 2017 12: 05
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Right across the board - and up.

      We would be more satisfied with their flight to the bottom ...
    4. Burbon
      Burbon 25 December 2017 12: 15
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Right across the board - and up.

      chassis directly to the bottom of the sea .....
  2. Theodore
    Theodore 25 December 2017 11: 25
    0
    Money down the drain!
    1. I doubt it
      I doubt it 25 December 2017 15: 45
      +7
      Quote: Theodore
      Money down the drain!

      Well yes. When they themselves have naked jo_pa, they can only cheer themselves up and their comrades: we are not afraid of AUGs, we don’t need UDCs, they don’t fly F-35s, and Yak-141s are in the trash.
      And also: “The Supreme knows best ...”, “.. not everyone says to us ...”, “... the reserve has probably already been created ...”, and “... they forgot to notify you ...”, “ ... China is against the Americans ... "," .. by 2035 we will have ... "," ... in our design bureau drawing of a new plane has begun "...
      More, more Komsomol enthusiasm, he is in this situation the only cure. Perhaps carry!
      1. Theodore
        Theodore 25 December 2017 20: 27
        0
        For the price that they cost!? Cheaper on the MiG-21 to fight!
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 December 2017 11: 25
    +1
    Japan is studying the issue
    And these Americans managed to breed in full. The American military-industrial complex applauds the Japanese prime minister.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 December 2017 11: 26
    0
    ... because we are strengthening in Kamchatka ...
  5. True
    True 25 December 2017 11: 28
    +1
    Expected. I'm not surprised.
  6. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 25 December 2017 11: 28
    +2
    Well this is not surprising ... everyone understood that their helicopter carriers, or whatever they call them correctly, "Helicopter carrier type DDH-183 IZUMO 22DDH (Japan)" turn into aviation carriers with an easy purchase movement
    1. burigaz2010
      burigaz2010 25 December 2017 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
      Well this is not surprising ... everyone understood that their helicopter carriers, or whatever they call them correctly, "Helicopter carrier type DDH-183 IZUMO 22DDH (Japan)" turn into aviation carriers with an easy purchase movement

      Well, actually, they positioned them as destroyers! Although everyone understood that they were being built for a penguin!
  7. Mihanishche
    Mihanishche 25 December 2017 11: 33
    +3
    So the plane is unfinished. Everywhere in the Russian press they write that unfinished. And we have all completed. Am I confused? Why don't rich countries buy our completed planes? A buy unfinished ??? World conspiracy against us! Russophobia!
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 25 December 2017 11: 39
      +1
      Politics sir above common sense! Therefore, sanctions are introduced against us, thank God!
  8. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 25 December 2017 11: 54
    +1
    I have long said that the Japanese "destroyers-helicopter carriers" are actually full-fledged light aircraft carriers and they were built with the ability to receive aircraft GDP! Now, such news of the purchase of under-aircraft of the 5th generation type is only confirmation of the real purpose of Izumo and Kaga request
  9. Spez
    Spez 25 December 2017 12: 00
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Right across the board - and up.

    If the catapult works.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 December 2017 12: 09
      +3
      Without a catapult. And without a springboard. From a perfectly straight deck across the board - and up.
      Look at U-Tube - there is a lot of video material.
      1. Spez
        Spez 25 December 2017 12: 12
        +2
        I'm not talking about the start method, but about the possible consequences for the pilot. On the same tube there is a video, both with our 38th and with the "boars"
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 December 2017 12: 18
          +3
          A “blow” to the pilot’s neck and spine gives precisely the catapult.
          And aerofinisher landing.
          In this sense, the F-35B is much more “humane” than conventional aircraft carrier naval aircraft
          like F-18 or F-35S
          1. Spez
            Spez 25 December 2017 12: 41
            +2
            I guess I didn’t put it clearly, referring to the ejected pilot seat. Apparently the joke was not funny ...
            And I completely agree with your arguments about humanity.
      2. Spez
        Spez 25 December 2017 12: 18
        +4
        Returning to the topic of our last conversation ... The Japanese have clearly confirmed the opinion expressed on the prospects of using VTOL aircraft both at sea and on land.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 December 2017 12: 26
          +5
          I read that too.
          I am not saying that the F-35B is the limit in the development of VTOL aircraft.
          He is rather the first swallow. A big improvement over
          with the first serial VTOL aircraft - Harrier. And with the "dad" - Yak.
          The main achievement of the F-35B is the full automation of vertical take-off and landing.
          And flight efficiency, fuel consumption, etc. - designers still have a lot of work
          in developing future models.
  10. svp67
    svp67 25 December 2017 12: 04
    +3
    The purchase of the F-35B will actually enable Japan to use its helicopter carriers as light aircraft carriers
    Here are the advantages of new technologies ... We can only envy ....
  11. Spez
    Spez 25 December 2017 12: 28
    +3
    “The actual receipt of aircraft carriers will be a new major step in moving away from the policy of abandoning offensive weapons, which Tokyo adhered to all the time after the Second World War”

    Why suddenly such categorical conclusions? These aircraft carriers can hardly be called offensive, because sharpened mainly to counter submarines. Even if we do not consider the thesis “the best defense is an attack”, then this opinion of the TASS journalist is a clear curtsy towards the forces interested in building tension in relations with the Japanese.
  12. ventel
    ventel 25 December 2017 12: 39
    +1
    In general, the Japanese built ships before the 2nd World War, taking into account the strengthening of armaments, the Mogami cruisers and the Choida airborne carriers. The first from light cruisers turned into heavy ones and the second into small aircraft carriers.
  13. tagil
    tagil 25 December 2017 12: 49
    +3
    The fact is that Japan, with the permission of the pipedostan, put its "device" on the result of 2MB and began to revive its army and navy. Japan didn’t have any resources, and even if she bucked, the crap easily put these samurai in their place. But having full-blooded armed forces and modern weapons (the population of Japan is larger than the Russian Federation) with the permission of the "exceptional", or with their "fas" command, they can get these modern colonies for pumping out resources, plus they can control some trade routes, and most importantly if necessary, lock up our Pacific Fleet and bases from breaking into the ocean. Well, China is certainly not in last place here. But these followers of Bushido are vindictive and we are still the main adversary for them. Well, having a full-blooded armed forces and "colonies" you can try to free yourself from the care of mattresses.
    1. Spez
      Spez 25 December 2017 13: 02
      +4
      The population of Japan is still smaller. They are technically capable of locking our Pacific Fleet right now, even without buying an F-35. To revive the army and navy in the format of the Kwantung army they now do not make sense. Economically and politically. The Japanese will be allowed to colonize anything at best on the Moon ... Now it’s quite enough for them to indicate their firm positions in the region and be able to withstand the first blow, be it Kim or Jinping.
      1. prorab_ak
        prorab_ak 25 December 2017 15: 50
        0
        Plus, first of all, they insure against China, because both countries fiercely remember each other the sins of WWII (especially the Chinese, let’s free would directly break the samurai), this time. Japan is not allowed to openly arm themselves openly, the UN will sue for violation of the convention and other things smile .
        Japan has no resources, and no

        here it is .... "strongly" said, about a country with one of the most powerful economies stably, and Japanese banks always had money up to x ...., in vain do they lend to other banks, including American ones
    2. ventel
      ventel 25 December 2017 14: 22
      +2
      Half a year ago, I wrote that the United States has a political maneuver in the Far East, but China and Russia, alas, do not, but the patriots were already in ecstasy holding Kim. And now Washington’s policy is looming without spending huge amounts of money to fend off the threat to the Asia-Pacific region from China. But the paradox is that neither Beijing nor Moscow showed their nearsightedness in politics towards the DPRK. But before the North Korean crisis, an arms race was not observed in the Asia-Pacific region.
    3. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 25 December 2017 14: 53
      +4
      History teaches nothing to the Japs. In case of escalation of the conflict, a couple of “Caliber” in densely populated or industrial areas will be enough to cool the ardor.
      And they understand that. So it is unlikely to turn up.

      And yes, the population of Japan is smaller than the Russian Federation.
      1. dSK
        dSK 25 December 2017 16: 05
        +2
        The topic of the DPRK ICBMs is muffled until the end of the Olympic Games, they will earn money from tourists, they will earn money from the missile defense supplies of Japan and South Korea.
  14. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 25 December 2017 15: 00
    +1
    The Japanese Navy is already very dangerous: 4 Helicopter carrier, 24 Destroyer, 20 DEPL
    Russian Navy Pacific Fleet even in defense will have "not sweet"
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 25 December 2017 20: 34
      0
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      The Japanese Navy is already very dangerous: 4 Helicopter carrier, 24 Destroyer, 20 DEPL
      Russian Navy Pacific Fleet even in defense will have "not sweet"


      Strange, you are destroying a dozen two Berks with one Petya ...
      with their mathematical calculations ...

      and that one suddenly started to "turn on the back" ...

      I want to explain ...
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 25 December 2017 23: 11
        0
        Quote: ZVO
        Strange, you are destroying a dozen two Berks with one Petya ...

        Well, Peter’s type in the Northern Fleet, so not two dozen but one and a half dozen Berkov - with one “Varangian” - and then, like in a song, the enemy does not give up ....!
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 25 December 2017 23: 09
      0
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      Russian Navy Pacific Fleet even in defense will have "not sweet"

      Well, if you are going to fight with all the Japanese Navy in one Pacific Fleet, you will have to
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      "not sweet"