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In the State Duma introduced a draft of a new day of military glory in honor of the victory in Syria

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Deputies from the LDPR faction Vladimir Zhirinovsky and Alexander Sherin submitted to the State Duma a bill on the new day of military glory on December 11 - the Day of victory of the Russian army in the fight against world terror in the Middle East. The document is posted on Saturday in the Duma electronic database.


The draft federal law provides for the establishment of the Day of Military Glory - December 11 - Victory Day of the Russian army in the fight against world terror in the Middle East (2017 year). Adoption of the bill is justified by the need to glorify the military prowess of the Russian army
- reads the explanatory note to the document.

In the State Duma introduced a draft of a new day of military glory in honor of the victory in Syria


It is assumed that the establishment of the Victory Day of the Russian army in the fight against world terror in the Middle East will help strengthen the patriotic consciousness of Russian citizens.

Moreover, the establishment of the holiday will contribute to perpetuating the memory of the Russian soldiers and journalists who died in Syria, who, at the cost of their lives, fighting for peace and prosperity of present and future generations, were able to protect Russia and the whole world from terrible terror
- noted in the message.

According to the authors of the initiative, “this is not just a victory over a small group of terrorists, it is a victory over world organized terror, which in the foreseeable future will no longer be.”

The military operations that were conducted in Syria by the Russian army led Russia to a triumphal return to the Middle East, a victory not only in the military, but also in the information, diplomatic and geopolitical mission
- underlined in the explanatory note.

11 December, Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at Khmeimim airbase, said that the Russian Armed Forces, together with the Syrian army, defeated a group of international terrorists in the UAR.

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RIA Novosti / Dmitry Vinogradov
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 23 December 2017 17: 30 New
    10
    That's right. Maybe we can only discuss the name. Firstly. We must honor the memory of those who did not return .. Secondly, note the skill and courage of our soldiers.
    1. Finches
      Finches 23 December 2017 17: 38 New
      +7
      You can make two holidays - one, as suggested, in honor of our Wars, and the second, somewhere in the field of psychiatry - "Day of Trump's victory over reason!" - he defeated everyone ... laughing
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 23 December 2017 18: 59 New
        +1
        Everything is right! Russia is forced - and it will be right - to politically stake the victory of the government of the SAR during the military operations of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the SAR over ISIS militants and other gangs - as opposed to upstarts from the USA and countries of the so-called American coalition in Syria!
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 23 December 2017 19: 05 New
          13
          Quote: Tatiana
          That's right!

          Is not it too early?
          "this is not just a victory over a small group of terrorists, it’s a victory over world organized terror, which in the foreseeable future will no longer be. "

          Have you already covered the mattress with a copper basin? hi
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 23 December 2017 19: 22 New
            +4
            It's too early, of course! But since the mattress publicly announced its alleged victory over ISIS and Co., Russia needs to respond to this.
            Hybrid warfare is a hybrid warfare. And the information battlefield cannot be conceded to the enemy in this matter, especially since he was the first to challenge us in this war. So we sent him away from our victory.
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 23 December 2017 19: 29 New
              10
              Quote: Tatiana
              Since the mattress declared publicly about its alleged victory over ISIS and Co., Russia needs to react to this. Hybrid war is a hybrid war. the battlefield cannot be inferior to the enemy, especially since he was the first to challenge us in this war.

              I completely agree, it is necessary to respond very actively, especially in the western direction. In war as in war, but to make a holiday "Day of military glory December 11 - Victory Day of the Russian army in the fight against world terror in the Middle East.I would not, and it’s too early to celebrate.
              Zhirik joined the election campaign! hi
              1. dSK
                dSK 23 December 2017 20: 33 New
                +7
                Hello Vyacheslav!
                Quote: kapitan92
                Zhirik turned on
                It’s spread over, and there the grass doesn’t grow. A lot of holidays in a row "devaluation" smells. Plowing and plowing more ... Bigger from the side is more visible. hi
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 23 December 2017 20: 50 New
                  +8
                  Quote: dsk
                  It’s spread over, and there the grass doesn’t grow.

                  Greetings, Sergey!
                  Yes, now the competition of candidates will begin: - Who loves the most “pzh”, people, army, etc. hi
              2. Evgeniy667b
                Evgeniy667b 24 December 2017 06: 00 New
                +2
                The celebration is premature, especially the "hydra of world terrorism" with a star-striped color is still alive, so it's too early to calm down!
            2. freddyk
              freddyk 24 December 2017 15: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Tatiana
              It's too early, of course!


              It’s too early, as if not to be in a stupid situation, as with Palmyra for example. The main hotbed of terrorists - the States will still train something in Syria. Keep your nose upwind, not celebrate.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 23 December 2017 23: 14 New
          +2
          National Unity Day - November 4, 1612, soldiers of the militia led by Kuzma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky stormed China Town, freeing Moscow from Polish invaders and showing a model of heroism and solidarity of the whole people, regardless of origin, religion and social status.
          Soviet Army and Navy Day is a holiday celebrated in the USSR annually on February 23. On January 15 (28), 1918 V.I. Lenin signed a decree of the Council of People's Commissars on the organization of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (RKKA), and on January 29 (February 11) - the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Fleet (RKKF). February 22, 1918, in the midst of the advance of the troops of German imperialism on Soviet Russia, a decree-appeal of the Council of People's Commissars of February 21, "Socialist Fatherland in Danger!" Was published. February 23 is annually celebrated as the Day of the Soviet Army (until 1946 - the Red Army) and the Navy.
          Quite enough. to mark the valor of the defenders of the motherland, regardless of the place of battle.
          Days of Military Glory (Days of Glory of Russian Weapons): a list of these dates was established back in February 1995. So, on August 9 in our country is celebrated the Day of the first in Russian history of the naval victory of the Russian regular fleet under the command of Peter I over the Swedes at Cape Gangut. The naval battle took place here on July 27 (August 7 in a new style) in 1714.
          What is worse than other important dates for the people and the army?
          1979 - 1988 War in Afghanistan. The withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan (1989)
          1812 - 1814 Patriotic War of 1812 and foreign campaigns of the Russian army

          Logically, it is necessary to celebrate the day of the end of the war in Vietnam, actually over the USA.
          The fewer holidays, the greater their value among people
        3. Overlock
          Overlock 23 December 2017 23: 30 New
          +3
          maybe it’s worth making the end day of the war between North and South Korea 1950-1953 a festive day? The battle on April 12, 1951, entered the history of the US Air Force as “Black Thursday.” 44 Soviet MIG-15 entered into battle with 48 B-29 bombers and 80 US F-86 fighters. 14 American planes were shot down without loss on our part.
          After all, this is also a feat!
    2. Iline
      Iline 23 December 2017 17: 45 New
      25
      .
      Quote: 210ox
      It is right..

      It is not right. According to its statute, the RF Armed Forces are designed to ensure the security of their country, not Syria. And all the statements about the danger of ISIS for the Russian Federation are not worth a damn because "live" on the Russian Federation, they did not attack. Only blah blah and individuals with an unbalanced psyche on the territory of our state.
      If we go along this path, then we need to introduce similar holidays about Vietnam, Angola, etc. And after all, no one ever questioned
      Quote: 210ox
      We must honor the memory of those who did not return .. Secondly, note the skill and courage of our soldiers.
      from these countries.
      To plead in favor of some, forgetting about others is at least low.
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 23 December 2017 17: 50 New
        +8
        When they would demolish Tajikistan and massively run along the northern slopes of the Caucasus, it would be too late. The enemy must be beaten the day before his birth.
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      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 23 December 2017 18: 02 New
        10
        Quote: Iline
        And all the statements about the danger of ISIS for the Russian Federation are not worth a damn because "live" in the Russian Federation, they did not attack

        Jihadi Tolika forgot a colleague from Noyabrsk, how many Muslim regions go to barmalei? But they have a tendency to return, and probably in April attacks in St. Petersburg also prepared a lone wolf and blew up the subway, and in the Caucasus we have calm and butterflies fly, it’s better I’d like to sip them away, but I also understand your train of thought for the pipe too. hi
        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
        When would they demolish Tajikistan

        I do not want to vang, but oh no wonder ISIS and other evil spirits flow into Afghanistan, oh no wonder the striped people pretended that it should be so. request
        1. Iline
          Iline 23 December 2017 20: 01 New
          +2
          I wrote that in any society there are unbalanced individuals and it is not worth drawing far-reaching conclusions from their activities. Yes - their actions have a loud resonance, but this is the actions of individuals, no matter how cynical it looks. If you look at the latest terrorist attacks in the same Europe, then tracking individual individuals with temporary clouding in their heads is simply not realistic. This is the prose of life. As for the Caucasus, I served there for a very long time, including the first Chechen one from one call to another. And I can tell you that the problem there is not in hatred of the Orthodox or Russians, but in the education system of the young generation. If you reverse this trend, then everything will fall into place.
          In general, I spoke about the far-fetched holiday.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 23 December 2017 18: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Iline
        And all the statements about the danger of ISIS for the Russian Federation are not worth a damn

        Somewhere I already heard it ...
        1. romandostalo
          romandostalo 23 December 2017 18: 49 New
          +4
          Another attempt to squeeze out the Soviet holiday!
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 December 2017 19: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: romandostalo
            Another attempt to squeeze out the Soviet holiday!

            What is this?
      4. Finches
        Finches 23 December 2017 19: 05 New
        +1
        Iline

        A pacifist on a military site? laughing But even to be serious - write nonsense - the army is a geopolitical instrument of the state and once again to celebrate its success, if it took place, it is far from superfluous! For the sake of ordinary soldiers and members of their families!
        1. Iline
          Iline 23 December 2017 20: 06 New
          +4
          This pacifist first Chechen plowed from bell to bell and served in the Caucasus for 13 years. I am grateful for the Georgian company from VGK. And you, sir, for the soul of what?
          So why not celebrate the victory in the Chechen war or over the Georgians? Shame on you?
          But much more fighters of the “geopolitical instrument of the state” participated and died there. Or were they a trash?
          1. Finches
            Finches 23 December 2017 20: 43 New
            +1
            Offended by the pacifist? In vain .... I am very happy for you! But for one reason, because of those armed conflicts, such a proposal has not been received, but I think that it is still not evening! And there is nothing shameful in the wars you listed for our soldiers ... And you became ashamed of Syria?
            1. Iline
              Iline 24 December 2017 08: 25 New
              +2
              I was never ashamed of our guys. But our leaders, apparently, would like to erase these wars from the memory of the people as soon as possible.
              That is the whole problem.
              1. Finches
                Finches 24 December 2017 09: 54 New
                +1
                War in your own land is not always the most pleasant occasion for heroization! The second Chechen in this respect is very different from the first, and forcing the peace of Georgia ... I think that you are a little mistaken here! The first Chechen, I left my tank regiment, where then six months before the events began to another place of service, to study, the second passed in my fate on a tangent ... in this regard, God was merciful - these wars are, after all, a confirmation of the stupid, criminal policies of our leadership in the early 90s and not everyone wants remember this - here you are right!
  2. svp67
    svp67 23 December 2017 17: 30 New
    21
    In the State Duma introduced a draft of a new day of military glory in honor of the victory in Syria
    Is it too early? The enemy has not yet been defeated ...
    1. Going
      Going 23 December 2017 17: 35 New
      14
      So it seems to me not yet time, but the holiday will be but later.
      1. Safer
        Safer 23 December 2017 17: 52 New
        11
        Quote: Going
        So it seems to me not yet time, but the holiday will be but later.

        I completely agree with you. The withdrawal of troops is a political gesture. The real alignment of forces has little effect. Too early to secure a victory on the calendar.
        1. Going
          Going 23 December 2017 17: 58 New
          +6
          There will be many people who will celebrate this without an official day.
          1. Safer
            Safer 23 December 2017 18: 03 New
            +5
            There are many wives, children and mothers who are already celebrating this. And as for the victory on terrorism in general: How many years in Dagestan has blood been shed? With the same success, one can celebrate the victory over terrorism there. But they didn’t stop killing law enforcement officers there, and they sent them there from all regions on business trips. All this confusion looks like a good face, with a bad game. Necessary, unfortunately.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 23 December 2017 18: 47 New
        +3
        In principle, it is true, but the first salute in the Great Patriotic War was on August 5, 1943. Let it be a holiday, and finish off the reptile - the beginning has been made.
    2. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 23 December 2017 17: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      Is it too early? The enemy has not yet been defeated ...

      That’s just that, as long as there is a gray zone in the form of the Et Tanf military base, the threat is definitely not eliminated, but the same Idlib. One gets the impression that Putin knew about the upcoming announcement of Trump, and therefore decided to get ahead of him.
    3. Jedi
      Jedi 23 December 2017 17: 46 New
      14
      hi
      Quote: svp67
      Is it too early? The enemy has not yet been defeated ...

      As long as the states remain in Syria, there is no victory, which means it is too early to celebrate. And so everywhere - where there is an American presence, there is no place for peace and tranquility. But it is precisely these words that are synonymous with Victory! soldier
      1. Going
        Going 23 December 2017 17: 59 New
        11
        I support, until the United States and Turkey leave, the victory is not complete.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 23 December 2017 18: 03 New
          +8
          The main shit-raiser of the entire planet will leave - all the scavengers will flee after them.
          1. Going
            Going 23 December 2017 18: 48 New
            +6
            Well, Erdogan is a stubborn moose, he will also have to be pushed out.
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 23 December 2017 18: 51 New
              +5
              Feels that the ass is not covered by anyone - only the heels will sparkle. yes
              1. Going
                Going 23 December 2017 18: 54 New
                +5
                But first, the United States, these will kick to the end.
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 23 December 2017 19: 06 New
                  +5
                  It is an axiom.
      2. BMP-2
        BMP-2 23 December 2017 19: 49 New
        +3
        Maksim! hi So, Victory Day over world American terrorism - this will be another separate holiday! yes True, you still need to live up to him ...
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 23 December 2017 19: 57 New
          +4
          Volodya, hello! hi It will be a celebration for us and a day of sorrow for the skunks. bully
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 23 December 2017 23: 26 New
            +3
            I think the skunks will survive somehow. I don’t worry about them: they will make Groundhog Day from any day of sorrow anyway! laughing lol
    4. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 23 December 2017 18: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      In the State Duma introduced a draft of a new day of military glory in honor of the victory in Syria
      Is it too early? The enemy has not yet been defeated ...


      well, it’s like Stalin would hastily announce Victory Day after the Battle of Stalingrad request Yes, and Victory Day did not appear in our 45th, but much later ... do not underestimate the significance of the event, but do not exaggerate - without fanaticism hi
  3. Simon
    Simon 23 December 2017 17: 31 New
    +2
    And what - let it make! A good offer is to strengthen our countries with friendship with the Syrian people. soldier
    1. Bastinda
      Bastinda 23 December 2017 19: 29 New
      +4
      1. And what were our troops in Syria? (Data is classified)
      2. Do you have friends there? (The United States has remained, and the "friends" probably have them.)
      3. Who listens to clowns?
  4. klas000000
    klas000000 23 December 2017 17: 32 New
    14
    Brute force. You can’t scatter holidays like this - they lose their meaning
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 23 December 2017 17: 37 New
      11
      Then it would be logical to introduce the Day of Military Glory for the victory over rodents))) 2008
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 23 December 2017 17: 47 New
      +2
      November 7 is the anniversary of the parade.
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 December 2017 17: 44 New
    12
    December 11, Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at the Khmeimim airbase, said
    then not the day of military glory, but the day of Putin’s speech.
  6. Million
    Million 23 December 2017 17: 48 New
    +5
    Are there too many holidays?
  7. chidoryan
    chidoryan 23 December 2017 17: 51 New
    +2
    Weishnoria still needs to be celebrated. With parades and fireworks.
  8. Altona
    Altona 23 December 2017 17: 52 New
    +6
    In December, I only celebrate Stalin’s birthday. As for victories, we have many victories, but for some reason the current government manages to turn all victories into humiliations.
  9. Simon
    Simon 23 December 2017 17: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: klas000000
    Brute force. You can’t scatter holidays like this - they lose their meaning

    And, once again, it would not hurt! recourse drinks
    1. Smog
      Smog 23 December 2017 18: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: Simon
      once again note - it would not hurt!

      This is you to Vital, well, which is MIKHAN, Division, Cornet .... now seem to be captive. About once again note this to him .... laughing
    2. klas000000
      klas000000 23 December 2017 21: 24 New
      0
      Drunks have a holiday every day, so we do not celebrate the whole country
  10. Altona
    Altona 23 December 2017 17: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: Gardamir
    then not the day of military glory, but the day of Putin’s speech.

    ----------------------------
    "Russia will go from victory to victory." And then get on your knees for your victories, thanks to him. For Sochi-2014, for Katyn, for Donbass, for "repression."
  11. Simon
    Simon 23 December 2017 17: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Gardamir
    December 11, Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at the Khmeimim airbase, said
    then not the day of military glory, but the day of Putin’s speech.

    Yes! Then winemakers don't have enough wine laughing Every day I will sit down with a bottle on the telly! wassat
  12. loginovich
    loginovich 23 December 2017 17: 59 New
    +6
    I honestly did not stumble. As I recall, at the request of the Syrian government, the Russian Federation undertook to protect the territorial integrity of Syria. As a result, after providing assistance, Syria was occupied by the SGA and the Turks, and as a result of victory. Cool damn, or I missed something.
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 23 December 2017 18: 20 New
    +3
    Well, as always, our talking heads don’t "rest"
    First you probably need to win - there for a long time yet. Plus, the troops of the USA, Turkey, Israel and Iran still need to be withdrawn.
    That's when a peaceful life begins then a holiday can be done.
  14. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 December 2017 18: 25 New
    +6
    They have already declared victory 3 times, and then increased the grouping, so I wouldn’t be very happy, because there is a division of the Syrians into “zones of influence”, and there is still no single Syria and it’s unlikely to be anymore. And dissatisfied with Assad is the basis for separatism, where military operations can be transferred from areas controlled by the Coalition led by the United States, from the Turkish zone or from where else.
    And frankly, I would have been more glad about the victory in Novorossia and the return of Ukraine under the banner of Moscow. And Syria is more of a platform for conducting an indirect war against US hegemony. America is not humiliated like in Vietnam, which means the danger is not removed from Syria. But as a pre-election move such a holiday will go to the piggy bank of the rating, the main thing is that Assad’s opponents do not launch a large-scale offensive and the terrorists sit quietly on that day.
  15. Rusland
    Rusland 23 December 2017 18: 40 New
    +9
    I agree that we should not increase the number of such dates and days; we have more than enough holidays that we honor with tears in our eyes. Well, this operation will not be forgotten, there is a lot of material for comprehension, huge experience has been gained. hi
  16. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 23 December 2017 18: 42 New
    +1
    Victory Day of the Russian army in the fight against world terror in the Middle East will help strengthen the patriotic consciousness of Russian citizens.
    Strengthening my consciousness will contribute to the Victory Day of the Russian army in the fight against world terror in Western Europe laughing
  17. vanavatny
    vanavatny 23 December 2017 19: 10 New
    +2
    is it all over?
  18. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 23 December 2017 19: 15 New
    +5
    I think this is superfluous. And in general, let the Duma finally attend to urgent problems. I hope they are aware of what pressing problems the people have, or should they be listed?
    1. ZVS
      ZVS 23 December 2017 20: 22 New
      +3
      The deputies have no problems, but our problems to them to one place. The main thing for them will be highlighted with a proposal.
  19. ZVS
    ZVS 23 December 2017 20: 21 New
    +3
    In the Federation Council, as if stung in the ass. There is still a war going on, and senators are already celebrating victory.
  20. assa67
    assa67 23 December 2017 20: 39 New
    +4
    The guys did their job - honor and glory to them .....
    Quote: 210ox
    It is necessary to honor the memory of those who did not return

    I propose to put forward the idea of ​​"Honor and Glory, perished for the Fatherland"
    Quote: 210ox
    second to note the skill and courage of our soldiers.

    sorry Dmitry, ..... courage and skill are already noted
  21. Glory1974
    Glory1974 23 December 2017 20: 48 New
    +1
    Victory Day of the Russian army in the fight against world terror in the Middle East.

    When Putin arrived in Dagestan in the fall of 1999, he was offered a drink for the victory over the militants. He refused, said not yet time. Since then, everyone has been waiting for us to be told that we won in our country. I did not wait, I went on demobilization.
    And then it turns out in another country, we defeated them. I'm certainly glad, but when will we win at home?
  22. Doliva63
    Doliva63 23 December 2017 20: 57 New
    +5
    I have nothing against the army in any of its manifestations, but - but where is the glory day of capitalist labor? Where is the holiday of the collapse of the USSR? Where is the all-Russian day of universal privatization? In this context, the holiday is just so that before the New Year, Olivier is not upset by the absence, but admired by the valor of the army.
    For adults, there is February 23rd - you can sit and remember who was where. With the interaction of the branches and types of the Armed Forces. For special aesthetes there are holidays by type and birth, so to speak.
    But let's celebrate every statutory movement of military personnel! With fanfare! With the "tricolor"! Under the anthem is obligatory! To have no more time for anything - just work for an uncle and be proud of the army. And certainly - in ecstasy, like Zhirinrvsky. But he's a paid clown. Who needs this?
  23. Normal ok
    Normal ok 23 December 2017 21: 43 New
    0
    Decommunization however.
  24. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 23 December 2017 21: 52 New
    0
    ! Day of military glory as a toy in the hands of politicians! Wishlist for transfer and rolls over!
  25. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 23 December 2017 22: 39 New
    +1
    Idiocy. Of course I am for ours, but I cannot understand the praise itself.
  26. Overlock
    Overlock 23 December 2017 22: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Finches
    But for one reason, because of those armed conflicts, no such proposal was received.

    and Rokhlin refused the awards for the Chechen company, and he was given the Hero of Russia. Why did he do that?
  27. bondxnumx
    bondxnumx 24 December 2017 01: 53 New
    0
    That's right! Victory Day in Syria is needed! 1 .-- The day must coincide with the Feast of which Orthodox Saint, Victory Day will be remembered and the Dead! After the Second World War, Bandera’s and police officers and policemen were cleared for a long time! And the name should be appropriate!
  28. Karakut
    Karakut 24 December 2017 07: 16 New
    0
    Let them not forget about the annexation of Crimea ... This day in a new history, I consider the revival of the national identity of Russian people! And after the victory in Syria, etc.
  29. akribos
    akribos 24 December 2017 14: 01 New
    +2
    Pre-election populism.
  30. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 24 December 2017 14: 41 New
    0
    What nonsense !?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 December 2017 17: 18 New
      +1
      Why? - will make a day off. Such ... reconnaissance in battle before the New Year.
      If you win a glass “for Syria”, then you won’t let us down on New Year’s Eve! drinks
  31. Ayratelinsion
    Ayratelinsion 24 December 2017 19: 45 New
    +1
    What did they bump their heads about? Chasing monkeys at the expense of future profits from Syria - glory?
  32. Chever
    Chever 25 December 2017 21: 07 New
    0
    What victory is there? Unfinished POTsEnty scattered through cracks and wait when they will give the next command to them. It’s too early to rejoice, much less talk about some sort of victory over them. Anyway, this idea is beckoning to populism ...