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The first tanks "Armata" will go to the troops for trial operation.

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Colonel General Oleg Salyukov, Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, said on Friday that contracts for the supply of the first tanks "Armata" in the troops enclosed.


Already, government contracts have been concluded for the supply of an experimental-industrial batch of Armata T-14 tanks for carrying out their experimental military operation.
- quotes TASS Salyukova.

The first tanks "Armata" will go to the troops for trial operation.


The enterprises of the military-industrial complex are now debugging and adjusting "Almaty", coordinating the components and assemblies of the machine. According to Salyukov, the works are going in accordance with the deadlines.

For all the characteristics of the T-14 surpass domestic and best foreign tanks, he added.

The sample is made according to the modular principle using unique digital and software solutions, which opens up virtually unlimited possibilities for its modernization and further robotization
- said the commander in chief.

Recall, in August, the Ministry of Defense announced the receipt of 100 tanks on the Armata platform before 2020.
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Alexey Ivanov / TRK Zvezda
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 23 December 2017 16: 07
    30
    Good luck! What's up with the new products from the Kurgan people?
    1. Logall
      Logall 23 December 2017 16: 12
      28
      Dmitry, good day!
      100 tanks of course Not enough, but with something you need to start! A chicken by the grain ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 December 2017 16: 17
        24
        Alexander hi Here I see several questions. Firstly, the machine is new in many ways and it needs to be worked out and equipment set up. Secondly. Training of crews. There’s no way to train the technicians for a year for such equipment .. And then the third question arises .. Now I will fly .. Service life is now 1 year. This is about nothing. Train to walk in formation and in general outline tell about the assigned equipment?
        Quote: Logall
        Dmitry, good day!
        100 tanks of course Not enough, but with something you need to start! A chicken by the grain ...
        1. Logall
          Logall 23 December 2017 16: 22
          22
          Dmitry, I studied at the driver for three months in general! But still um I still remember, not only to enter, but also to repair ...
          1. 210ox
            210ox 23 December 2017 16: 32
            +6
            Sasha, I wasn’t a tanker in the army, so I won’t argue. I remember one yap at the hospital in Naro-Fominsk. I got there with pneumonia. And there are Kantemirovs there. And one tanker got into the next bunk .. So this type proved to me that our tankers will not be able to fight the NATO because there is no training for the crews. I took his noodles to my ears and said nothing. Maybe the special officer should have handed him over?
            Quote: Logall
            Dmitry, I studied at the driver for three months in general! But still um I still remember, not only to enter, but also to repair ...
            1. Shironay
              Shironay 23 December 2017 16: 43
              +7
              Quote: 210ox
              Sasha, I wasn’t a tanker in the army, so I won’t argue. I remember one yap at the hospital in Naro-Fominsk. I got there with pneumonia. And there are Kantemirovs there. And one tanker got into the next bunk .. So this type proved to me that our tankers will not be able to fight the NATO because there is no training for the crews. I took his noodles to my ears and said nothing. Maybe the special officer should have handed him over?
              Quote: Logall
              Dmitry, I studied at the driver for three months in general! But still um I still remember, not only to enter, but also to repair ...



              Of course, it was necessary to surrender to the special officer and confirm the title of a decent person and a member of Soviet society. Your tankman was right. Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO “clients” clashed, the victory was for the NATO.
              1. 79807420129
                79807420129 23 December 2017 16: 48
                32
                Quote: Shiryonay
                victory was for the NATO.

                Examples, please, to the studio and please don’t like to accuse the pilots of refusing equipment yesterday, please refer to the studio, nice people, believe yourselves do not respect yourself, links and videos, we look forward to it. hi
                1. Shironay
                  Shironay 23 December 2017 17: 41
                  +2
                  Korea, Vietnam (I'm not talking about guerilla in the jungle, but air and tank battles), the Arab-Israeli wars, the air battle between Israelis and Russians 5: 0, the destruction of the latest Soviet air defense systems in Lebanon in 1982, the victory of South Africa over its neighbors, the defeat of the stuffed Soviet weapons in Iraq, the victory of the "Stinger" over the Soviet Air Force in Afghanistan. Enough for you, my nonsense smoking friend. ?
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 23 December 2017 17: 54
                    21
                    Quote: Shiryonay
                    Korea, Vietnam (I'm not talking about Geryl in the jungle, but about air and tank battles)

                    the mattress got on the ears and ran away
                    Arab-Israeli wars

                    our pilots did not participate in the battles there.
                    the destruction of the latest Soviet air defense systems in Lebanon 1982,

                    whose calculations were?
                    the defeat of Iraq stuffed with Soviet weapons,

                    aha. so there on both sides Soviet weapons fought)))))
                    Stinger’s victory over the Soviet Air Force in Afghanistan.

                    and how did they win? did our air forces stop flying?
                    1. Shironay
                      Shironay 23 December 2017 18: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: LSA57
                      Quote: Shiryonay
                      Korea, Vietnam (I'm not talking about Geryl in the jungle, but about air and tank battles)

                      the mattress got on the ears and ran away
                      Arab-Israeli wars

                      our pilots did not participate in the battles there.
                      the destruction of the latest Soviet air defense systems in Lebanon 1982,

                      whose calculations were?
                      the defeat of Iraq stuffed with Soviet weapons,

                      aha. so there on both sides Soviet weapons fought)))))
                      Stinger’s victory over the Soviet Air Force in Afghanistan.

                      and how did they win? did our air forces stop flying?



                      July 30, 1970: Israel-USSR air battle. Score 5: 0
                      Your troops have left Afghanistan, thanks in large part to the STINGERS.
                      In Vietnam, the ratio in air battles is 1:15 in favor of the Americans.
                      Iraq, all countries smashed with Western weapons (except for the formal participation of the Syrians)
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 23 December 2017 18: 52
                        14
                        Quote: Shiryonay
                        July 30, 1970: Israel-USSR air battle.

                        over the territory of the USSR, or Israel? did we have a war?
                        Your troops have left Afghanistan, thanks in large part to the STINGERS.

                        did the stingers work on our infantry and tanks? I ask again, did the USSR Air Force stop flying over Afghanistan?
                        In Vietnam, the ratio in air battles is 1:15 in favor of the Americans.

                        firstly nonsense, secondly Vietnamese pilots fought
                        Iraq all countries smashed with Western weapons
                        remember the Iran-Iraq war. both of them fought with Soviet weapons. and which countries did Iraq smash with western weapons? So you didn’t rank AK as this weapon? laughing
                      2. The Siberian barber
                        The Siberian barber 23 December 2017 22: 40
                        +2
                        Write nonsense, complete!
                        Even reluctance to discuss))
                      3. alekc75
                        alekc75 24 December 2017 22: 17
                        0
                        what do you smoke?????
                  2. 79807420129
                    79807420129 23 December 2017 18: 11
                    20
                    Quote: Shiryonay
                    Enough for you, my nonsense smoking friend. ?

                    I repeat for those who do not understand again VIDEO AND LINKS, NOT WORD.
                    Quote: Shiryonay
                    Arab-Israeli wars

                    It was especially amusing. good good good my non-smoking friend. wink
                    And about South Africa good good good thanks for the wild rzhach. good
                    1. katana
                      katana 23 December 2017 18: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: 79807420129
                      Quote: Shiryonay
                      Enough for you, my nonsense smoking friend. ?

                      I repeat for those who do not understand again VIDEO AND LINKS, NOT WORD.
                      Quote: Shiryonay
                      Arab-Israeli wars

                      It was especially amusing. good good good my non-smoking friend. wink
                      And about South Africa good good good thanks for the wild rzhach. good

                      On the same site they wrote about air battles in the skies of Egypt between Soviet and Israeli pilots. I don’t remember what account, but the Soviet pilots lost these battles. For anyone this fact is not a secret, except for you. I can not give an exact link to this article on the Military Review. If someone remembers, give a link and then our unfaithful forum member will read the article and make sure that the Jew is right this time. BUT !! The argument started over tanks.
                      1. Shironay
                        Shironay 23 December 2017 19: 06
                        +2
                        An Armenian, a Jew, is almost always right, because he knows history very well and does not lie. No one hides the heavy losses of our Air Force during the Doomsday War of 1973 from Egyptian and Syrian air defense. This lesson was well learned, so the destruction of 19 batteries of Syrian air defense in Lebanon in 1982 passed without a single loss on our part.
                      2. 79807420129
                        79807420129 23 December 2017 19: 19
                        14
                        Quote: katana
                        give a link and then our unfaithful forum member will read the article and make sure that the Jew is right this time. BUT !! The dispute began over tanks

                        Razmik, you’re right. Give me the link and never interfere in the dispute; here they don’t spill on three.
                        Quote: Shiryonay
                        a Jew is almost always right, because he knows history very well and does not lie

                        Balabol, a school distorter of facts, in South Africa was especially amused. good
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 23 December 2017 22: 06
                        +8
                        Quote: katana
                        I cannot give an exact link to this article on the Military Review.

                        and don’t let it, sometimes they write such nonsense in VO, in fact, the lab specialist didn’t give evidence of his loud phrase
                        Quote: Shiryonay
                        Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO “clients” clashed, the victory was for the NATO.

                        sub-table, especially about Iraq
                      4. Serg koma
                        Serg koma 23 December 2017 22: 20
                        11
                        Quote: katana
                        about the air battles in the sky of Egypt between the Soviet and Israeli pilots. I don’t remember with what score, but the Soviet pilots lost these battles.

                        Until July 30 -
                        Israelis:
                        As Porat had expected, the sight of the Mirage in a reconnaissance flight was too seductive for the enemy. The Russians swallowed the bait and lifted two MiG quartets from the Beni-Suweyf airfield. They were followed by three more fours from the Kum-Ushim air base. Total, 20 MiGs went to intercept Israeli aircraft. Later, when a real battle unfolded in the air, another quartet of MiGs from the Kotmiya airfield joined the Soviet fighters. In total, 24 MiG-21s and 16 Israeli fighters took part in the battle: 4 Phantoms and 12 Mirages.

                        OUR:
                        The first to attack the Mirages were Yurchenko’s link, then the Kamenev pilots. At this time, from a low altitude at high speed, both of our units were attacked by a group of Phantoms (8 aircraft). Yurchenko managed to attack from the back hemisphere on the Mirage. But at that time, a pair of Phantoms launched rockets at Yurchenko’s link. His wingman captain Makara warned Yurchenko: "Kolya, rockets!" Yurchenko, performing a missile launch on the Mirage, replied: "Now." Makara managed to perform an anti-ballistic maneuver and frustrated the defeat of his aircraft with missiles. But Yurchenko did not have time to "dodge" the missiles, his plane exploded from direct missile hits. The pilot died. The aircraft of Syrkin and Yakovlev were hit by fragments of missiles. Both pilots ejected. Yakovlev died when landing by parachute (crashed), because the area in the area was rocky, and the wind reached 25 m / s. Syrkin landed safely. Zhuravlev’s plane was shot down by the Mirage cannon line. The pilot ejected, but due to the low altitude the parachute system did not manage to work and the captain Zhuravlev died.
                        The outcome of the battle is difficult. But our pilots did not evade the battle with an enemy three times superior in strength (24 vs. 8), as the Israeli pilots constantly did, and showed our Russian fighting character: to fight, not counting the enemy. In Life magazine, such an assessment was given to our pilots: “Russians remain Russians.”


                        TOTAL:
                        Our fighter aircraft in an air battle shot down one Israeli plane, the loss of our aircraft - four MiG-21 aircraft and three dead pilot pilots.

                        Our pilots did not have time to pay off the Israelis - on August 8 a truce was concluded, which lasted until the new Arab-Israeli war of October 1973 ..

                        You can scoop up information only from the media of the Tan and their allies. By the way, for some reason YOU did not mention the Korean War, and the destroyed air forces of the USSR Air Force "valiant" sons of the mattress country)))
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              2. -ш-
                -ш- 23 December 2017 16: 49
                12
                Discovery seen enough?)
              3. 210ox
                210ox 23 December 2017 16: 50
                +5
                The point is not in my decency, but in the stupidity of my interlocutor ... Although there could have been a provocateur ..
                Quote: Shiryonay
                Quote: 210ox
                Sasha, I wasn’t a tanker in the army, so I won’t argue. I remember one yap at the hospital in Naro-Fominsk. I got there with pneumonia. And there are Kantemirovs there. And one tanker got into the next bunk .. So this type proved to me that our tankers will not be able to fight the NATO because there is no training for the crews. I took his noodles to my ears and said nothing. Maybe the special officer should have handed him over?
                Quote: Logall
                Dmitry, I studied at the driver for three months in general! But still um I still remember, not only to enter, but also to repair ...



                Of course, it was necessary to surrender to the special officer and confirm the title of a decent person and a member of Soviet society. Your tankman was right. Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO “clients” clashed, the victory was for the NATO.
              4. katana
                katana 23 December 2017 16: 56
                +6
                You have an overestimated view of the NATO tanks and their crews - my friend, a tanker on the T-72 tank, made such pirouettes! He drove a heavy car like a passenger car. He was a conscript soldier, but we have been serving for 2 years, not 1 , as in Russia. As part of the course, in Israel they serve 3 years and prepare tank crews of women.
                1. Shironay
                  Shironay 23 December 2017 17: 31
                  0
                  In Israel, the introduction of women in tank crews is still at the experimental level and only in border areas; they are not intended to maneuver into enemy territory. As a tanker, I am skeptical about this idea. A woman can be an excellent combat pilot, but fiddling with a torn track is doubtful ...
                  Regarding the mobility of the tanks, the T-34s and Shermans were much more mobile than the Panthers and Tigers, and yet with all other things being equal they had little.
                  1. katana
                    katana 23 December 2017 19: 03
                    +2
                    I did not understand your commentary on your women tankmen — they serve on the border of your country — why did you put them on the border itself?
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 23 December 2017 22: 26
                      +3
                      Quote: katana
                      I did not understand your comment regarding your

                      Yes, he finally can be misunderstood, t34 tigers did while Isa was made precisely by mobility
                  2. rocket757
                    rocket757 23 December 2017 19: 44
                    +5
                    Interestingly, a connoisseur of history, tell me how the infantry Valentine Tigers burned?
                    What, how and why was it?
                  3. Alf
                    Alf 23 December 2017 20: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Shiryonay
                    Regarding the mobility of the tanks, the T-34s and Shermans were much more mobile than the Panthers and Tigers, and yet with all other things being equal they had little.

                    T-34 vs Tiger? Somewhere I already heard it. Has carbine really returned? In fact, comparing Ferrari and Lada is somehow stupid. Right carbine?
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 23 December 2017 21: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Alf
                      T-34 vs Tiger? Somewhere I already heard it.

                      It’s just that the question sounded wrong, but in order to get the right answer, you need to ask the right question.
                      Tigers released 1300 pieces, T-34 - 85000. A tiger tank needs to be compared with sixty-five thirty-four, and it will immediately become clear that the best tank is a T-34 and not a tiger.
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 23 December 2017 22: 28
                        +3
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        Tigers released 1300 pieces, T-34 - 85000. A tiger tank needs to be compared with sixty-five thirty-four, and it will immediately become clear that the best tank is a T-34 and not a tiger.

                        there is a simpler argument - tigers could not make a difference
                      2. t7310
                        t7310 24 December 2017 08: 24
                        0
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        Tigers released 1300 pieces, T-34 - 85000. A tiger tank needs to be compared with sixty-five thirty-four, and it will immediately become clear that the best tank is a T-34 and not a tiger.


                        In fairness, here you need to add all kinds of Sherman, Valentine, Isa, t-ii, t-iii, t-iv, t-vi, things, knots, hulkats, and other tracked means, I guess there will be 1 in 200, maybe light type t -11 and bt-7, you can probably still minus, consider only now too lazy ....
                  4. Serg koma
                    Serg koma 23 December 2017 22: 34
                    +6
                    Quote: Shiryonay
                    Regarding the mobility of the tanks, the T-34s and Shermans were much more mobile than the Panthers and Tigers, and yet with all other things being equal they had little.

                    Quote: Shiryonay
                    Regarding the mobility of the tanks, the T-34s and Shermans were much more mobile than the Panthers and Tigers, and yet with all other things being equal they had little.

                    Compare the combat capabilities of a heavy tank with an average, "all other things being equal" - ?????
                    Do not trifle, just off your shoulder - Panther against the T-70, and even better against BT (that's where the speed is) set, probably spend too much time in BT)))))
                2. Sinbad
                  Sinbad 24 December 2017 00: 23
                  +6
                  He served in the Taman Guards, drove 72. And in the Naro-Fominsk hospital lay. But it is not important. I agree with the chief mechanic-driver only at the end of the service, and then, for the last six months, I had a training and combat vehicle and dashed off without control from the heart! Thirty-five years have passed, and even now for leverage. (Nostalgia).
                  There was a show for NATO generals, they put on the armor of the RPK (guard of honor company) dressing them in afghanistan (the uniform that only appeared then) and flew with the landing on the armor, maneuvering between the hills, followed by landing and attack. Some western warriors were taken by ambulance with a heart attack. And we really were ready for anything.
                  I do not believe that now, and even contractors, are worse than us.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 24 December 2017 01: 05
                    +4
                    Study. training, competitions and all this many, many, times. High-quality training of equipment, crews and, of course, command personnel - this is the key to success ... a quantity in sufficient volume is also necessary.
                    By the way, the light infantry Valentine burned the Tigers just because of the right tactics and good crew training ... something that history experts did not bother to answer. Why?
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 24 December 2017 22: 59
                      0
                      Quote: rocket757
                      light infantry valentine burned tigers

                      Where, when, under what circumstances?
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 25 December 2017 07: 55
                        +4
                        I read, for a long time, the memoirs of a tank commander ... then there was another article, in VO too, a long time.
                        The correct tactics, the tank is light but with a good gun, an ambush \ crept beat on board from 300 m ... tigers burned like torches, gasoline however.
                        T 34 commanders also did this if they could. It’s just in an offensive operation, and the Tigers massively went when the Red Army was already advancing, everything is much more complicated, there is less space for maneuver .... the losses are big for this reason, and the poor preparation of the command personnel increases these losses.
                        It’s not only ours’s misfortune, that was the case with all the armies that are conducting intensive hostilities .... an experienced com team is retiring, and young animals without combat experience and having, as a rule, expedited training, cannot conduct the battle correctly.
              5. LSA57
                LSA57 23 December 2017 17: 01
                10
                Quote: Shiryonay
                Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO “clients” clashed, the victory was for the NATO.

                then they flatly refuse to participate in the "Tank Biathlon"
                1. aws4
                  aws4 23 December 2017 17: 09
                  +2
                  they have their own tank competitions and by the way, in terms of combat training, it’s better than tank biathlon ... do not forget that tank biathlon is primarily a show
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 23 December 2017 17: 17
                    12
                    Quote: aws4
                    they have their own tank competitions

                    it is not where urkaina participated?
                    and by the way in terms of combat training is better than tank biathlon.

                    well yes. drive around cars
                    do not forget that tank biathlon is primarily a show

                    the show uses idle charges. And judging by your logic, a sports biathlon is also a show?
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 23 December 2017 20: 30
                    +7
                    Quote: aws4
                    they have their own tank competitions and by the way, in terms of combat training, it’s better than tank biathlon ... do not forget that tank biathlon is primarily a show

                    So if it’s better, then the NATO Biathlon should win “one at a time”. So what’s the problem, come and smash these stupid vanka?
                2. private person
                  private person 23 December 2017 17: 23
                  +4
                  Tank biathlon window dressing and everyone knows it.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 23 December 2017 17: 34
                    11
                    Quote: private person
                    Tank biathlon window dressing and everyone knows it.

                    and what is this window dressing? toy tanks? shells idle? Russian crews? and who are all those who know this?
                    1. private person
                      private person 24 December 2017 07: 45
                      0
                      To assemble one combined crew from all tank units of the Russian army and train it to automatism is not a show? And you ask the current soldiers how much they were sitting at the clutches during their service life.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 08: 27
                        16
                        Quote: private person
                        how much they sat for clutch during their service life

                        Without even asking, I’ll answer: they didn’t sit there for a split second. The MTO is too crowded to sit there.
                        That is why no one ever sits behind the friction clutches.
                        "Girl, do not say a word just because they are long and beautiful" (c) Lewis Carroll.
                      2. LSA57
                        LSA57 24 December 2017 10: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: private person
                        To assemble one combined crew from all tank units of the Russian army and train it to automatism is not a show?

                        and then why the same Chinese will not collect and win? they have an army larger than ours
                3. Shironay
                  Shironay 23 December 2017 17: 31
                  +2
                  For political reasons, no more ...
              6. Lenivets2
                Lenivets2 23 December 2017 17: 45
                11
                "Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO" tankers clashed

                Where did they come across?
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 23 December 2017 17: 56
                  27
                  Quote: Lenivets2
                  "Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO" tankers clashed

                  Where did they come across?

                  in world of tanks laughing
              7. Stabilization
                Stabilization 23 December 2017 18: 20
                12
                I understand that you are from these ...)
              8. KaPToC
                KaPToC 23 December 2017 18: 46
                +5
                Quote: Shiryonay
                Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO “clients” clashed, the victory was for the NATO.

                Even if this is true, this indicates poor preparation of the client’s tankers, and not of our tankers.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 23 December 2017 20: 32
                  +5
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Quote: Shiryonay
                  Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO “clients” clashed, the victory was for the NATO.

                  Even if this is true, this indicates poor preparation of the client’s tankers, and not of our tankers.

                  And if you recall which sheared monkeys were sitting in our tanks ...
              9. Victorio
                Victorio 23 December 2017 23: 06
                +1
                Quote: Shiryonay
                Sure , had to pass special and confirm the title of a decent person and a member of Soviet society.

                =====
                Is it beliefs, resentment or remorse?
              10. Alexey Antonov
                Alexey Antonov 24 December 2017 22: 27
                +1
                Quote: Shiryonay
                Quote: 210ox
                Sasha, I wasn’t a tanker in the army, so I won’t argue. I remember one yap at the hospital in Naro-Fominsk. I got there with pneumonia. And there are Kantemirovs there. And one tanker got into the next bunk .. So this type proved to me that our tankers will not be able to fight the NATO because there is no training for the crews. I took his noodles to my ears and said nothing. Maybe the special officer should have handed him over?
                Quote: Logall
                Dmitry, I studied at the driver for three months in general! But still um I still remember, not only to enter, but also to repair ...



                Of course, it was necessary to surrender to the special officer and confirm the title of a decent person and a member of Soviet society. Your tankman was right. Everywhere in the world where Soviet and NATO “clients” clashed, the victory was for the NATO.

                Sure. In Vietnam, for example.
            2. Logall
              Logall 23 December 2017 16: 46
              +9
              Dim, Crews are weak not because of poor training, but because of the short driving time, etc. etc. The shorter the time, the less anything happens that it would be better to pass in Peacetime ... And not on the battlefield!
              1. jolly deckhand
                jolly deckhand 23 December 2017 16: 51
                +4
                Logall, do not listen to them - I have a reliable source, we are not rivals to them ...
              2. Fox
                Fox 24 December 2017 08: 37
                +2
                Quote: Logall
                The crews are weak not because of poor training, but because of the short driving time, etc.

                not only ... when I was in training (before that I studied in driving schools 2 times, on a motorcycle and on cars), we drove "students" from Central Asia ... it was a polar fox! they did not all speak Russian. and also, everyone was right. the teacher’s question how many cylinders the lawn answered 6.a pistons? ... 12? and they planted such vegetables on maz 543 ... they could only be taught how to ride. so here, if there is a selection of really wanting. they will learn to masterly manage at least something.
            3. katana
              katana 23 December 2017 16: 50
              +4
              Quote: 210ox
              Sasha, I wasn’t a tanker in the army, so I won’t argue. I remember one yap at the hospital in Naro-Fominsk. I got there with pneumonia. And there are Kantemirovs there. And one tanker got into the next bunk .. So this type proved to me that our tankers will not be able to fight the NATO because there is no training for the crews. I took his noodles to my ears and said nothing. Maybe the special officer should have handed him over?
              Quote: Logall
              Dmitry, I studied at the driver for three months in general! But still um I still remember, not only to enter, but also to repair ...

              It will be considered to you in the next world that you have not conveyed to a person. Although I do not believe in religion, only Jesus returned from the other world and that was 2000 years ago. smile
            4. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 17: 16
              +9
              Quote: 210ox
              in Naro-Fominsk ... And there are Kantemirovs nearby

              Right On Shibankova yes
              Quote: 210ox
              this type proved to me that our tank crews will not be able to fight the NATO troops since there is no training of crews

              What year, if not secret? Perhaps the “type” was somewhat right ...
          2. Sergey53
            Sergey53 23 December 2017 19: 04
            +1
            Quote: Logall
            But still um I still remember, not only to enter, but also to repair ...

            We remember to enter everything without studying, but driving should be practiced.
        2. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 24 December 2017 00: 19
          +1
          Transfer tanks without guns to DOSAAF. Getting the rights of category "C" let them already get them ... Mekhvodov can already be prepared in civilian life ...
        3. Dzungar
          Dzungar 24 December 2017 16: 04
          0
          You have a very bad opinion about our conscripts .....
      2. CAPTIVE
        CAPTIVE 23 December 2017 16: 18
        +5
        Quote: Logall
        100 tanks of course Not enough, but with something you need to start! A chicken by the grain ...

        Well, if the border of Israel to Syria! The effect will be, and very soon ..
        1. Shironay
          Shironay 23 December 2017 16: 45
          +2
          But so that you are sitting in the first tank, and not the weightless Smolensk guy ...
          1. katana
            katana 23 December 2017 16: 59
            +3
            Quote: Shiryonay
            But so that you are sitting in the first tank, and not the weightless Smolensk guy ...

            They are so kidding. smile Armata on the Israeli border of Russia will not give anything.
        2. Captain Nemo
          Captain Nemo 23 December 2017 16: 56
          +3
          Wanted to fight? Yourself? Or give others this honorable right?
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 December 2017 16: 58
          15
          Quote: captive
          Well, if the border of Israel to Syria! The effect will be, and very soon ..

          Listen to you, so we need to strain the floor of the world and start a war with half the world. We are not even at the stage of rearmament of the army, but the armament thereof. They didn’t do nichrome for 20 years, and now they have begun to build up muscle a little, and the borzometer began to roll over. You take a look at the beginning that we have with the fleets, with the VKS, with the same armored vehicles, and after about write about the effects. We arm and arm, and we are at the very beginning of this path. The fact that the parades are shown is certainly beautiful, but there is also a harsh reality, which, alas, is not at all joyful.
          By the way, so that it’s easier for you to understand in which, sorry, ass, I’ll say now ... a new tank from scratch from development to adoption in the USSR was created in 4 years! If on an old platform, then in 2 years. So count. How old are we Armatu?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 17: 33
            10
            Quote: NEXUS
            a new tank from scratch from development to adoption in the USSR,created in 4 years

            An example in the studio ... very, you know, curious ...
            T-34 - not to mention.

            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: captive
            Well, if the border of Israel to Syria! The effect will be, and very soon ..

            Listen to you, so we need to strain the half of the world and start a war with half the world

            Your opponent was once called MIKHAN laughing
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 December 2017 17: 42
              +4
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              An example in the studio ... very, you know, curious ...

              Please ..
              The development of the T-72 began in 1967.

              In November 1969, B-46 engines with a capacity of 573 kW (780 hp) and a chassis of a new design began to be installed on these machines. The sample manufactured with the indicated changes was assigned the index “Object 172M”.

              On August 7, 1973, the T-554 tank was adopted by the joint decision of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 172-72.

              If you count from 69 years, then it is approximately 4 years. Given the funding, subcontractors, etc. and so it goes about 4 years.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 19: 33
                10
                Quote: NEXUS
                The development of the T-72 began in 1967

                Vika?
                Everything is funnier there. 72-ka began much earlier (1964 - 1965) with the “initiative” of UVZ to finalize the T-62.
                On which many new things were tested:
                hull and turret with combined armor protection of the frontal projection, chassis of the “Object 167”, 125-mm smoothbore gun D-81 with stabilizer “Rain”, automatic loader for carousel type, B-2 engine with 780 hp. with supercharger, advanced radiators, air filters, fuel and oil systems, as well as reinforced transmission units

                This is about the “Object 167M”, February 1964. And this is still the T-62. The link is below.
                The first sample tank "Object 172" was made in the summer of 1968, the second in September. They differed from the T-64A tank in a completely redesigned fighting compartment, since the electro-hydro-mechanical loading mechanism of the T-64 tank was replaced by an electromechanical automatic loader with a pallets ejection mechanism and the installation of the Chelyabinsk V-45K engine. All other components and assemblies were transferred from the Kharkov tank, or rather, remained in place, since the first "objects 172" were redone "sixty-four"

                The link is below.
                By a resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR of August 7, 1973, "Object 172M" was adopted by the Soviet Army under the name T-72 Ural. The corresponding order of the Minister of Defense of the USSR saw the light 13 August 1973 year. In the same year was released installation lot of 30 cars

                So what we have:
                1. The work really started in 1964.
                2. The first battalion of seventy-two was released in 1973.
                9. In this case, the best practices of the Morozovsky Design Bureau (T-64) were used, as far as possible.
                And even in these conditions - from the beginning of development to the first batch of "troops" - 8 - 9 years.
                This is despite the fact that the Union did this machine, with its "prevalence of group A over group B" and the most powerful military-industrial complex at that time.
                URL:
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 23 December 2017 19: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  And even in these conditions - from the beginning of development to the first batch of "troops" - 8 - 9 years.

                  I emphasized ..
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Given the funding, subcontractors, etc. and so it goes about 4 years.

                  At that time it was not a rush, as the 62nd and 64th were in sufficient numbers. The work was not carried out continuously. Therefore, I talked about 4 years. And in good faith it is. And look at Armata ... and even take the project of the Black Eagle, from which the T-14 took a lot then for what terms are we leaving?
                  I do not pretend to be the last resort ... this is my view on this and I think it is much more objective than many of those present here.
                  1. Seaflame
                    Seaflame 24 December 2017 06: 33
                    +3
                    I agree with your thoughts! Why do people have such hatred? I recall with longing how long the latest frigate "Pots" sawing ...
        4. aws4
          aws4 23 December 2017 17: 13
          +1
          of course there will be an effect ... Jews by aviation will burn them in a couple of hours and after that, people like you will either swell or become depressed
      3. Dead duck
        Dead duck 23 December 2017 16: 20
        10
        Quote: Logall
        100 tanks Of course Not enough, but with something you need to start! A chicken by the grain ..

        hi
        "More tanks are good and different!"
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 23 December 2017 16: 39
          10
          Hello my friend! hi drinks
          Quote: Deadush
          "More tanks are good and different!"

          True, but not quite. Quantity should not replace quality. As there is Sun Tzu: "If you want to jump the hole, then take the one who jumps it with one jump."
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 23 December 2017 16: 42
            +7
            Greetings friend! hi drinks
            I agree.
            But do the Chinese talk about small things ?! laughing
            Although why can not be much and high quality? winked
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 23 December 2017 16: 53
              +6
              Quote: Deadush
              Although why can not be much and high quality?

              Because now you can not compare the USSR and Russia. Yes, and times too ...
              1. Dead duck
                Dead duck 23 December 2017 16: 56
                +7
                Quote: Jedi
                Because now you can not compare the USSR and Russia. Yes, and times too ...

                And actually no one compared ... request
                "everything flows, everything changes..."
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 23 December 2017 16: 59
                  10
                  Quote: Deadush
                  "everything flows, everything changes..."

                  Yes, but something remains unshakable. For example, the hatred of the West towards the Slavic world. As well as our willingness to defend our world! soldier
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          1. Jedi
            Jedi 23 December 2017 16: 57
            22
            But not too much, did you take it upon yourself, comparing Stalin with Hitler ??? Flags You change much, but just does not do it to you honor. sad negative
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 23 December 2017 18: 02
              10
              Quote: Jedi
              but just does not do it to you honor.

              hi Colleague, what honor is there ?! Do corrupt runners have something? And too loyal attitude makes such organisms only more impudent. If someone begins to “flatten” them, then complaints about “oppression” immediately follow. am Yes, the priests of the hutspa temple - they are.
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 23 December 2017 18: 11
                +6
                Alexander, glad to welcome! hi That's right, but it’s not very pleasant to read slander from all sorts of "chameleons" - sometimes I speak up with respect to decency, keeping completely unflattering epithets in my mind. repeat I propose to switch to "you", dignify me as Max. drinks
                1. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 23 December 2017 18: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Jedi
                  I propose to switch to "you", dignify me as Max.

                  Received. We will now conduct the communication with you, Max. laughing hi
            2. Shironay
              Shironay 23 December 2017 19: 11
              0
              Two twin villains. And this is what a man tells you, in whom the Germans destroyed a third of his people. If Comrade Stalin had not died in March 53rd, he would have arranged a second Holocaust for us, everything was already ready.
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 23 December 2017 19: 25
                19
                Quote: Shiryonay
                Two twin villains.

                Judge not lest ye be judged. yes
                Quote: Shiryonay
                If Comrade Stalin had not died in March 53rd, he would have arranged a second Holocaust for us, everything was already ready.

                If it weren’t for Comrade Stalin, it’s not a fact that a state like Israel would have taken place now, so please be more respectful in expressions. Well, it would not hurt to prove your words about the second Holocaust, just do not need language like "they are terribly secret."
              2. dima1970
                dima1970 24 December 2017 01: 07
                +7
                Who the ghoul, with the lips twisted and the snobel, will remove you from the site?
                If it weren’t for Stalin, your ancestors were lampshades and gloves in a united Europe.
              3. MMX
                MMX 24 December 2017 17: 48
                +4
                Quote: Shiryonay
                Two twin villains. And this is what a man tells you, in whom the Germans destroyed a third of his people. If Comrade Stalin had not died in March 53rd, he would have arranged a second Holocaust for us, everything was already ready.


                If it were not for Comrade Stalin, the "Jewish question" would have been finally resolved by one European country ... Moreover, apparently, all over the world.
                Therefore, my advice to you (or parting words, understand as you like): buy a large bust of Stalin and every morning he’s low, down to the floor, bow, bow and bow ... Well, for starters, log off from this site.
          2. Dead duck
            Dead duck 23 December 2017 17: 15
            17
            Quote: Shiryonay
            Please remove this ghoul from the site. You would have placed his twin Hitler

            "Winner" in the war drew laughing
            Even the Germans were surprised.
            Say thank you to Grandfather Stalin, otherwise you would still be in the slaves of the Natsiks.
            1. Alf
              Alf 23 December 2017 20: 36
              +5
              Quote: Deadush
              Say thank you to Grandfather Stalin, otherwise you would still be in the slaves of the Natsiks.

              Why in the slaves? Conquerors always need those who will stand on the towers.
              1. Dead duck
                Dead duck 23 December 2017 21: 46
                +9
                Quote: Alf
                Why in the slaves? Conquerors always need those who will stand on the towers

                It is the same. request
          3. Lenivets2
            Lenivets2 23 December 2017 17: 54
            17
            "Please remove this ghoul from the site."

            Here's how you exactly expressed yourself, there’s nothing to add. hi
          4. KaPToC
            KaPToC 23 December 2017 18: 53
            12
            Quote: Shiryonay
            Please remove this ghoul from the site. You would have placed his twin Hitler

            First you take away the ghouls of the Churchill and Roosevelt, that's who the bastards are from the bastards.
          5. Serg koma
            Serg koma 23 December 2017 22: 43
            +4
            Quote: Shiryonay
            Please clean

            Do not like it - DO NOT SEE)))
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 24 December 2017 14: 22
              0
              Quote: Serg Koma
              Do not like it - DO NOT SEE)))

              don't tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go
              1. Lenivets2
                Lenivets2 24 December 2017 22: 21
                +3
                I would venture to suggest that this comment was not written to you, but to Shironay.
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 24 December 2017 22: 27
                  +2
                  Damn, here’s a setup, and you won’t delete it now, ay administration, where are you when you are needed?
                  1. Serg koma
                    Serg koma 26 December 2017 22: 15
                    0
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Damn, here’s a setup, and you won’t delete it now, ay administration, where are you when you are needed?

                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    READ ATTENTIVELY

                    There is a desire to delete - CLICK ON the "basket" (located on the right, below your message), and do not scream AUUuuu will)))))
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          6. Lex.
            Lex. 24 December 2017 22: 09
            +2
            Please remove this ghoul from the site. You would have placed his twin Hitler
            It’s not for you to judge who Stalin is; just think if the USSR lost to Hitler’s Germany you’re a provocateur
            1. Lenivets2
              Lenivets2 24 December 2017 22: 19
              +2
              You are correct, but do not forget to put "".
              And you can misunderstand. hi
      4. Wayfarer
        Wayfarer 23 December 2017 17: 09
        +2
        Quote: Logall
        100 tanks of course Not enough
        For what? For a cast to the English Channel? Germany is armed with 320 leopards, plus all sorts of other animals on NATO, as a result, probably, you need 1000 pieces of such beauties. In general, in two years 100 pieces is good. It is important not to stop and start mass production of Armata. It’s good that, finally, they will start producing new tanks, load the plant’s capacities, and improve its financial situation. But the main thing is not just new tanks, but tanks of a new generation, which once again put forward Russian tank building to the leading positions.
        1. private person
          private person 23 December 2017 17: 31
          +1
          But it will not work with us with “Armata” as it turned out with the VAZ “Iksrey”? The car was designed on its platform and in the first photos it was much more pretty than what went into the series on the Logan platform.
      5. Simargl
        Simargl 24 December 2017 07: 55
        +1
        Quote: Logall
        100 tanks of course Not enough, but with something you need to start! A chicken by the grain ...
        Those. need to rivet 2000 pcs of the product, the design of which has not been worked out, and then fix the jambs on all 2000?
    2. Finches
      Finches 23 December 2017 16: 16
      +8
      It is necessary to start their supply to the troops from the Western and Southern districts, especially those deployed near the border of Nenko ..., cleanly touch, otherwise it’s sad to go to their "patriotic" sites - they ended up having problems there! laughing
    3. svp67
      svp67 23 December 2017 16: 57
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      What about the new products of the Kurgan people?

      So far they have problems of a different nature ...
  2. Blombirus
    Blombirus 23 December 2017 16: 08
    +9
    I wish our soldiers to master the materiel as soon as possible. The technique is complex, but interesting. On such a car, but on the autobahn! Dream!
    1. PN
      PN 23 December 2017 16: 13
      +6
      Some kind of dream ...
      1. Blombirus
        Blombirus 23 December 2017 16: 15
        +7
        Quote: PN
        Some kind of dream ...

        Dream about macaroni. This is your great dream!
        1. PN
          PN 23 December 2017 17: 12
          +2
          How many people are you ready to put in order to ride tanks on the autobahn?
          1. Blombirus
            Blombirus 23 December 2017 19: 02
            +8
            Quote: PN
            How many people are you ready to put in order to ride tanks on the autobahn?

            There was a time, the seventies, traveled. Maybe you heard something about the GSVG? True, the car was simpler, the T-72. It may surprise you, but not a single native was injured. And this time they would have traveled, if not for Hunchback with EBN. Why don’t you like autobahns?
            1. polkovnik manuch
              polkovnik manuch 23 December 2017 19: 22
              +2
              Humpbacked with EBN have done business! One was awarded the Order of St. Andrew, the other built a memory center, this is only possible in Russia. But “Armata” is undergoing pre-production testing in the troops, treating childhood diseases, so to speak. Her time will come as well.
    2. chidoryan
      chidoryan 23 December 2017 16: 14
      +6
      Idiot's dream...
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 23 December 2017 16: 23
        12
        Quote: chidoryan
        Idiot's dream...

        Well you think about yourself however. request
    3. LSA57
      LSA57 23 December 2017 16: 21
      +4
      Quote: BlombiRus
      On such a car, but on the autobahn! Dream!

      and on phasingon ...... good
      1. Blombirus
        Blombirus 23 December 2017 19: 03
        +3
        Super Dream!
  3. Lesorub
    Lesorub 23 December 2017 16: 15
    +2
    Good long-awaited news! A tool for Atmath for more) (152)
    1. seti
      seti 23 December 2017 16: 18
      11
      Are there goals for him? As long as 125 mm is enough, a limited batch is also possible with 152 mm ..
      Why not have excessive ammunition that limits the ammunition load.
  4. Romanych.by
    Romanych.by 23 December 2017 16: 15
    +6
    Mentally broke a bottle of "Soviet" on board this handsome man.
    1. CAPTIVE
      CAPTIVE 23 December 2017 16: 28
      +8
      Quote: Romanych.by
      Mentally broke a bottle of "Soviet" on board this handsome man.

      Thank..! soldier We are also in Russia, we hope ....
      Russian tanks, they will still show themselves in a powerful breakthrough!
  5. cannabis
    cannabis 23 December 2017 16: 20
    +3
    One tank per week, manual assembly. 30 years ago in Omsk, 2 T-80 tanks were made on day. Each tank in a separate plywood box. All GSVG provided plywood. I’m worried about something else .... The T-34 cost 5 rollers, the T-80 had 6 rollers, the armata 7. It increases in length, the turning resistance increases, maneuverability decreases. The T-80 on the slope often "took off", as with the T-14 ?.
    1. Alf
      Alf 23 December 2017 20: 39
      +3
      Quote: cunning
      The T-34 cost 5 rollers, the T-80 had 6 rollers, the armata had 7.

      Where are you going? The mass of T-34 is from 26 to 32 tons, T-80-45 tons, Armata-up to 55 tons.
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 23 December 2017 21: 06
        0
        So I am the same, the tanks die, too expensive a treat.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 23 December 2017 21: 26
          +1
          Quote: cunning
          So I am the same, the tanks die, too expensive a treat.

          The conflict in Ukraine showed that tanks are more alive than all living things, no matter how expensive they are.
          1. cannabis
            cannabis 23 December 2017 21: 29
            +1
            The conflict showed the enduring importance of artillery, mortars and multiple launch rocket systems. The importance of electronic warfare and radio reconnaissance systems, thermal imagers and UAVs.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 23 December 2017 21: 48
              0
              Quote: cunning
              The conflict showed the enduring importance of artillery

              And what is a tank? Self-propelled armored gun. And if there are no tanks - they are replaced by self-propelled guns.
              1. cannabis
                cannabis 23 December 2017 21: 57
                0
                Again, it all depends on the generals. A tank advances where there are no tanks. If there are no tanks, but there is anti-tank artillery, then tanks advance where there is none. If a gap is breached in the defenses by artillery or a nuclear strike, then tanks rush into it and crush the survivors in the rear of the ave. But letting tanks against tanks is pointless.
                1. Nehist
                  Nehist 24 December 2017 05: 04
                  0
                  You know! The fact that tanks did not fight tanks did not count until WWII! But during her it turned out that there is nothing more effective against a tank than a tank !!!
                  1. cannabis
                    cannabis 24 December 2017 07: 53
                    0
                    This is precisely from the experience of 2 MV that the statistics of tank losses appeared. The smallest casualties are from the detonation of mines, and the largest are from artillery fire. These are the basics of military science.
        2. Alf
          Alf 24 December 2017 22: 56
          0
          Quote: cunning
          So I am the same, the tanks die, too expensive a treat.

          Tanks have been dying since the 45th year. A very long agony, don't you find?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 23: 06
            +8
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: cunning
            So I am the same, the tanks die, too expensive a treat.

            Tanks have been dying since the 45th year. A very long agony, don't you find?

            People in tanks understands ... like a dog in oranges not really ... he’s got a little higher "BMP against BMP", for example belay
          2. cannabis
            cannabis 24 December 2017 23: 16
            0
            They are already at their limit. Soon there will be no bridges on which they can pass. Soon, each tank will need a trailer that can carry it over rough terrain. And the “Cornets” and “Javelins” will bloom violently and the hunt for tanks as mammoths will begin. This is an exciting process! Drones, helicopters, bombers with cumulative bombs, rocket launchers of remote mining, suicide robots such as land torpedoes going to the "click" of a laser rangefinder or a magnetic "mass" of 60 tons!
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 23: 22
              +8
              Quote: cunning
              Soon there will be no bridges on which they can pass

              Didn’t you hear about tank spacers, pontoon crossings, etc.? In vain ...
              Quote: cunning
              Soon each tank will need a trailer that can carry it over rough terrain.

              Ahrenosovet ... tank ... on the trawl ... along the intersection belay
              Well, you, my friend, and fantasy ...
              Quote: cunning
              Drones

              Bezpilotniki ...
              Summary: nonsense. Hot. And yet - you never had anything to do with tanks ... vaennai negative
              1. cannabis
                cannabis 24 December 2017 23: 25
                +1
                Mediocrity .....
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 23: 26
                  +8
                  Quote: cunning
                  Mediocrity

                  Well, at least without errors ... catch a plus, earned laughing
                  1. cannabis
                    cannabis 24 December 2017 23: 27
                    0
                    Crazy ...
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 23: 30
                      +8
                      Quote: cunning
                      Mad Men ...

                      ... goofs and stunned ...
                      Good advice: leave the tanks alone already. Obviously not your topic.
                      PS: That's it. I don’t feed today laughing
                      ZZY: But haul a tank trailer - wildly delivered ... Have you ever seen once how they load-carry?
                      Gentle ... like a flower with two palms.
                      And you - on the crossroads ... I wonder how many seconds later this whole structure will collapse on its side?
                      1. cannabis
                        cannabis 24 December 2017 23: 42
                        0
                        If such a specialist, then: 1. How much fuel is required to start the T-80 engine? 2. How long will it take to launch the T-62 in frost -40 degrees Celsius? I guarantee - there will be no answer ......
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 24 December 2017 00: 29
      0
      Quote: cunning
      . I’m worried about something else .... The T-34 cost 5 rollers, the T-80 had 6 rollers, the armata 7. It is longer, the turning resistance is increasing, the maneuverability is decreasing.

      Here, at my leisure, I compared the length of the T-14 and T-90 models - it turns out that the difference in the length of the caterpillar base (when converted from a scale of 1/35) they have something about 40 centimeters. That is, not so much - the length of the caterpillar base of the armata is approximately the same as most Western tanks.
  6. Scalpel
    Scalpel 23 December 2017 16: 22
    0
    Here he looks like an American M-60.
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 December 2017 16: 43
    +5
    Two years of military tests ... training of crews and development of strategy and tactics of use. Is it not enough? And in this regard, the question of the entire line of armored vehicles on the Almaty platform is very interesting. T-14 is ready for military tests, and T-15 and T-16 and the entire promised line of armored vehicles in the amount of 26 units how is it?
    And the second: What about the MO with the purchase of the T-90SM and the launch of a good series of these machines, which will be MBT of Russia in the next 10 years?
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 23 December 2017 17: 38
      +1
      Nexus, that’s just what I met with such information: the Moscow Region decided: "the T90 tit is better in the hands than the crane in the sky."
      I’ve been thinking for a long time: Field Marshal Taburetkin hastened to refuse then “Vladimir.” T 90 WELL SHOWED MYSELF in Siri
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 December 2017 17: 51
        +3
        Quote: Monarchist
        T 90 WELL SHOWN MYSELF in Siri

        Well, yes ... just what batch of serial T-90 our MO bought for our army?
        Five contracts with Uralvagonzavod worth 24 billion rubles. provide for the purchase of Terminator tank support combat vehicles (BMPTs), new T-90 tanks, modernization of existing T-90, T-72 and T-80 tanks. Judging by the amount, we can talk about the purchase of a battalion set (31 tanks) T-90M tanks

        31 pieces! And this is not even the T-90 CM ... These are the things in our kingdom ...
        1. groks
          groks 23 December 2017 18: 24
          +1
          What are you talking about? It is said that they will modernize the 80s. A lot of them. Remained from totalitarianism.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 December 2017 18: 31
            +3
            Quote: groks
            It is said that they will modernize the 80s.

            The 80s are being honed under the northern regions ... and how many are being modernized then? And it’s impossible to upgrade the equipment to a blue color. We need new solutions, complexes, tactics of application, strategy, etc. ... or do you all believe that as in the Second World War there will be fire rolls, tank wedges and a disregard for losses?
            1. groks
              groks 23 December 2017 20: 48
              +1
              How much, how much, the article was recently. Like 3000 for now. Looks like we in the North are expected to invade all of NATO.
              There will be no wedges; in general, Serdyukov still began to reform the army into continuous explosives, what wedges are there.
        2. just exp
          just exp 23 December 2017 21: 19
          +4
          We will not have a T-90SM. This is an export option.
          For my relatives, AM was T and 90M is a further development of AM, that is, M is newer than AM, AM is Breakthrough-2, and M is Breakthrough-3.
          and the T-80 will be emnip order of 2 hundreds upgraded.
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 23 December 2017 18: 37
      +1
      everything is good there. Marching passed.
  8. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 23 December 2017 16: 51
    +3
    How many I do not look at the tower, the same amount of thought about the vulnerability of the module to the left of the gun mask ... A sort of hole that is a good target
    1. cannabis
      cannabis 23 December 2017 17: 05
      0
      This is an optical illusion. "Digital technologies".
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 24 December 2017 00: 32
      +3
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      How many I do not look at the tower, the same amount of thought about the vulnerability of the module to the left of the gun mask ... A sort of hole that is a good target

      There is a sight, on the right there’s nothing at all, so this hole doesn’t have much effect, the tower itself is a narrow box protecting the breech of the gun, and devices are fixed on the sides. Of course, an enemy shell, once there, will demolish the lovely “Agate”, yes, the tank will go blind “in one eye”, but only the gun will not be damaged, and the gunner, thanks to the electronics, will be able to use the commander’s sight, so that the tank will not lose much combat effectiveness)) )
  9. Monarchist
    Monarchist 23 December 2017 17: 29
    +1
    Such information is less reliable, because in the media everyone is lying in his own way. There was, somewhere infa: by decided not to mess with T14 yet, but busy T90
  10. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 23 December 2017 17: 37
    +9
    100 tanks - this, in the end, is a full-fledged tank regiment ... for trial operation - it’s enough for yourself.
    And the car is beautiful, it’s a pity that you won’t be able to touch it already request
  11. Altona
    Altona 23 December 2017 18: 02
    10
    Quote: Shiryonay
    Please remove this ghoul from the site. You would have placed his twin Hitler

    -----------------------------------
    Usually unbroken soap and loose strands shout with such words towards Stalin. laughing lol
  12. groks
    groks 23 December 2017 18: 19
    0
    I don’t know about contracts for tanks, but there are no contracts for components yet. Even for development. No to the Coalition. There's a little bit of boomerang.
  13. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 23 December 2017 18: 25
    0
    The Ministry of Defense announced the receipt of 100 tanks on the Armata platform until the 2020 of the year.

    2 (3) TB, probably they will send to the 1 th
  14. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 December 2017 18: 31
    0
    I wonder where they will go? I think beyond the front, that is, the Urals will not be sent))). Is there some kind of glorious division in those parts ..?)))
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 24 December 2017 17: 02
      +1
      Thunderbolt
      I wonder where they will go? I think beyond the front, that is, the Urals will not be sent

      We have only two APs, one of them is the 90-I AP in the Urals, gee ....
      https://topwar.ru/105130-na-urale-vossozdana-lege
      ndarnaya-tankovaya-diviziya.html
  15. Lexus
    Lexus 23 December 2017 18: 51
    +1
    They were waiting for them in the troops. And the Basurman on quality "Lyuli" no, no, yes they miss ... It's a shame to them, you see, to wrap themselves around the T-90 tracks. smile
  16. san4es
    san4es 23 December 2017 19: 12
    +6
    The sample is made according to the modular principle using unique digital and software solutions, which opens up virtually unlimited possibilities for its modernization and further robotization

    hi ... cinema for the night soldier
    1. t7310
      t7310 24 December 2017 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: san4es

      hi ... cinema for the night soldier

      somehow they don’t boldly press on the gas - as if on a foreign ferrari on the dirt road,
      the fact that the tank drives and even shoots we have already seen
      for example here t-80 showed so showed
    2. t7310
      t7310 24 December 2017 09: 31
      +1
      why didn’t they turn the turn on the spot for so long to our tanks - so that some had a reason to laugh?
  17. Kathernik
    Kathernik 23 December 2017 19: 13
    +5
    Quote: Shiryonay
    Korea, Vietnam (I'm not talking about guerilla in the jungle, but air and tank battles), the Arab-Israeli wars, the air battle between Israelis and Russians 5: 0, the destruction of the latest Soviet air defense systems in Lebanon in 1982, the victory of South Africa over its neighbors, the defeat of the stuffed Soviet weapons in Iraq, the victory of the "Stinger" over the Soviet Air Force in Afghanistan. Enough for you, my nonsense smoking friend. ?

    C hangover or what?
  18. Kathernik
    Kathernik 23 December 2017 19: 18
    +1
    Quote: private person
    But it will not work with us with “Armata” as it turned out with the VAZ “Iksrey”? The car was designed on its platform and in the first photos it was much more pretty than what went into the series on the Logan platform.

    Stephen James Mattin originally designed the X-Ray on the BO platform. Logan platform does not exist.
    1. private person
      private person 24 December 2017 07: 59
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      So I'm talking about that the VO platform is better known for the Logan family of cars and the X-Ray should have had its own platform, but the crisis has made its own adjustments.
  19. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 23 December 2017 19: 24
    0
    "Armata" is a promising combat unit, not a baby carriage. Time will come and it will be snapped up like fresh pies.
  20. vadivm59
    vadivm59 23 December 2017 19: 42
    +1
    that the tower is painfully clumsy. "ugly duckling" some kind.
    1. groks
      groks 23 December 2017 20: 52
      0
      There will be mounted dynamics, the shape will change beyond recognition.
  21. yasvet
    yasvet 23 December 2017 19: 59
    +2
    Quote: katana
    But our service lasts 2 years, and not 1, as in Russia.

    the year, of course, is not long, but for example on Kola, tank crews from conscripts trained very intensively, and most importantly effectively. For half a year in the "fields", driving and shooting at full spoon) and the teachers are "sincere"), by the way, the first winners in the tank biathlon.
  22. trahterist
    trahterist 23 December 2017 20: 08
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    Alexander hi Here I see several questions. Firstly, the machine is new in many ways and it needs to be worked out and equipment set up. Secondly. Training of crews. There’s no way to train the technicians for a year for such equipment .. And then the third question arises .. Now I will fly .. Service life is now 1 year. This is about nothing. Train to walk in formation and in general outline tell about the assigned equipment?
    Quote: Logall
    Dmitry, good day!
    100 tanks of course Not enough, but with something you need to start! A chicken by the grain ...

    Fair? Already got with his 'one year is not enough', got it !!
    Fewer soldiers need to be blasphemed for cantics and hozrabot, this does not affect combat training, only harm.
    Instead of learning VUS, the soldier of garbage suffers.
    All these useless work is boldly outsourced, and train fighters ONLY directly to military duties.
    And it turns out that years for the initial preparation are more than enough!
  23. trahterist
    trahterist 23 December 2017 20: 14
    +1
    Quote: yasvet
    Quote: katana
    But our service lasts 2 years, and not 1, as in Russia.

    the year, of course, is not long, but for example on Kola, tank crews from conscripts trained very intensively, and most importantly effectively. For half a year in the "fields", driving and shooting at full spoon) and the teachers are "sincere"), by the way, the first winners in the tank biathlon.

    About that and speech.
    If you teach the matter directly, the period is quite sufficient.
    Z.Y. Then give some free rein to them, as if under the king for 25 years, they would be put to urgency.
    But thank God of rational people, the majority is overwhelming.
    1. yasvet
      yasvet 23 December 2017 20: 44
      0
      Obviously, the “armata” car is not for conscripts, at least in the coming years) the rest of the line of cars is completely subject to the crazy hands of our young fuel oil.)
  24. assa67
    assa67 23 December 2017 20: 50
    +4
    it’s time, it’s time! not everyone will ride around in parades, let them rustle in the Arctic, Syria .... not by request and media reports, but in reality, at the present training ground
  25. Fatoss
    Fatoss 23 December 2017 21: 23
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    Alexander hi Here I see several questions. Firstly, the machine is new in many ways and it needs to be worked out and equipment set up. Secondly. Training of crews. There’s no way to train the technicians for a year for such equipment .. And then the third question arises .. Now I will fly .. Service life is now 1 year. This is about nothing. Train to walk in formation and in general outline tell about the assigned equipment?
    Quote: Logall
    Dmitry, good day!
    100 tanks of course Not enough, but with something you need to start! A chicken by the grain ...

    I think that only contract soldiers will not allow conscripts to such equipment
  26. Methane
    Methane 23 December 2017 22: 55
    0
    Quote: assa67
    it’s time, it’s time! not everyone will ride around in parades, let them rustle in the Arctic, Syria .... not by request and media reports, but in reality, at the present training ground

    So what’s the matter? We’ll welcome you. We’ll meet with music, drink, feed, and we will find a woman. The training ground is ready (in Svetlodarka) -)))
  27. Dr. Bermental
    Dr. Bermental 24 December 2017 00: 12
    0
    I feel if something goes to the Donbass to break the horns ..
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 December 2017 00: 36
    0
    Damn, it really looks like glued from cardboard.
    And this is a depression in the frontal armor,
    it seems so. how it clogs with dirt and other garbage.
  29. Methane
    Methane 24 December 2017 01: 02
    0
    Quote: Dr. Bermental
    I feel if something goes to the Donbass to break the horns ..

    That ne.Ukropskie warriors wrote for a long time how they easily burned Armatu from RPG7 They burn, they say, for a sweet soul .-))) To defeat Ukraine is as unrealistic as to drown g ... but
  30. Star
    Star 24 December 2017 08: 18
    +1
    With such an industry, we need 100 years to prepare for war.
    In the USSR, 2000 tanks were produced per year.
  31. Andrey Panov
    Andrey Panov 24 December 2017 08: 24
    0
    You are like children, if only you thought what forms the war would take! Syrian experience showed nothing? One t90 city takes! Who has enough money to put together a bunch of 100 tanks? And what will they do in this heap? Waiting for a vigorous bonba? Armata is most likely a command tank. She will have 3-5 tons of 72 or 90 on parcels to serve, and there is absolutely no reason for her to shoot or ride each machine gun!
  32. nikolaev
    nikolaev 24 December 2017 10: 21
    0
    send to run-in hot spots and to help friends. And to advertise the defense industry. Well, add tone to the enemies.
  33. dDYHA
    dDYHA 24 December 2017 13: 30
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    The term of service is 1 year. So the car is not for conscripts actually.
  34. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 December 2017 15: 54
    0
    I wonder how they will show themselves in the troops.
    The progressive concept is unconditional, but as they say, the devil is hiding
    in the little things ...
    1. cannabis
      cannabis 24 December 2017 16: 01
      0
      In the T-34 and Sherman there were "drapes" in the bottom. Does Merkava have one, or do they manage the back ones?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 December 2017 16: 51
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        No bottom. It is a solid "V" shaped. And there is a door behind.
        The hatch on the tower was left alone.
        1. cannabis
          cannabis 24 December 2017 17: 24
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          I mean, judging by the photo, hatches in Armata cannot be closed under fire, and if opened, how to evacuate a wounded man under the same fire. I would not want to be in this situation .....
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 24 December 2017 23: 33
            +1
            If I had designed, I would have made a hybrid of Almaty with Merkava.
            The motor in front, the tower uninhabited as in Almaty and the AZ under it, and the crew’s armored capsule
            from behind. Then there would not be a problem that you are talking about.
            But this solution also has drawbacks, of course.
            1. Soho
              Soho 25 December 2017 06: 27
              +1
              and then Merkava’s stabilization problem would be passed on to this hybrid.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 25 December 2017 11: 00
                +1
                I do not believe that the problem with stabilization is due to the motor in front.
                The main weight of the tank is a tower. If the tower is centered - the tank is correct
                balanced. The motor relative to the tower is very light.
  35. Looking for
    Looking for 24 December 2017 17: 41
    -1
    “In all respects, the T-14 will surpass the domestic and best foreign tanks,” he added. “That's for such words yes in the MORD, IN THE Muzzle, After all, the ancestors taught-“ We did not boast about the army.
  36. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 00: 57
    +8
    Quote: cunning
    If such a specialist, then: 1. How much fuel is required to start the T-80 engine? 2. How long will it take to launch the T-62 in frost -40 degrees Celsius? I guarantee - there will be no answer ......

    I, dragging one, sixty-four ... narrow, panimaiti, splitting wink
    Questions are stupid - you can answer plus or minus two bast shoes. There are no written standards, as far as I know.
    To start tanks at -40 - yes, it happened. That is the Kama Sutra, then our solarium also froze, winter ... they warmed, poured, flooded the Arctic ... and already wound up on it.
    Gorokhovets-1986, if details are needed.
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  38. Fanat85
    Fanat85 25 December 2017 09: 20
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    Quote: private person
    Tank biathlon window dressing and everyone knows it.

    Also write our tank crews on the tank biathlon meldonium take lol
    1. Alf
      Alf 25 December 2017 20: 25
      0
      Quote: Fanat85
      Quote: private person
      Tank biathlon window dressing and everyone knows it.

      Also write our tank crews on the tank biathlon meldonium take lol

      They pour meldonium into diesel engines.
  39. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 December 2017 10: 03
    0
    We wait!!! In will begin the fun from the side of Western magazines .....
  40. Alf
    Alf 25 December 2017 20: 21
    0
    rocket757,
    Something I strongly doubt that these were the Tigers. Respecting our veterans, I nevertheless draw attention to the fact that Ferdinands have been burning since the 41st year, and the hell knows how much they stuffed with a total of 90 cars. It could very well be Four F2 or G.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 25 December 2017 21: 44
      +3
      I wasn’t in that battle, the army reports were not always confirmed, but the accounting was still ... so if I check where, it’s only on them. As I read, I can say that the T-VI Tigers were destroyed.
      By the way, Valentine could, an excellent English 57 pound gun, the tank was low and very quiet, its dignity, he could easily hide in the bushes, no one would believe that there could be a "formidable" tank.
      By the way, Ferdinand PAK 43 \ 2 tank destroyer began to fight in Kursk in 1943, all that before that were StuG self-propelled guns of different calibers and purposes (manufacturer) are called so by mistake or by manufacturer Ferdinand Porsche ...
      So the Veterans can say what they want, they deserve it, and if you look at the archives and summaries, reports and other bookkeeping for information, there’s a prose of war, but it’s not so exciting but reliable.
      1. Alf
        Alf 26 December 2017 21: 09
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        So the Veterans can say what they want, they deserve it,

        I bow to them for this.
        Quote: rocket757
        not so exciting but reliably.

        But these archives just do not show us.
        Quote: rocket757
        excellent english 57 pound gun

        At 500 meters, 80 mm of armor, just the side of the Tiger 80 mm. That is, not so hot. And to shoot from 300 meters you need to have iron eggs.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 26 December 2017 21: 38
          +3
          Our tankers were in the tank and I’m sure for them! According to the description of the battle, it turned out that the tank battalion ran into an ambush of tigers, there were losses they retreated, but the tigers did not choose a very good position! a low, quiet valentine crawled from the flank through the bushes and beat at point blank range ... he burned three. The Germans realized that it would be bad and retreated ...
          The commander’s mistake, or he did not expect the enemy to have such a stealth tank ... our commander effectively used the enemy’s mistake !!!
          I’m not a tanker, but this is true for all branches of the armed forces - learning and training + plus normal equipment, this is the guarantee of victory !!!!
          1. Alf
            Alf 26 December 2017 21: 42
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            I’m not a tanker, but this is true for all branches of the armed forces - learning and training + plus normal equipment, this is the guarantee of victory !!!!

            I agree.
  41. myobius59
    myobius59 25 December 2017 23: 20
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: Shiryonay
    Please remove this ghoul from the site. You would have placed his twin Hitler

    -----------------------------------
    Usually unbroken soap and loose strands shout with such words towards Stalin. laughing lol

    You be careful with such definitions. See how many digits I have for such phrases?