China received another batch of Su-35

The second batch of ten Su-35 fighters under the 2015 contract of the year has been delivered to China. It is reported TASS with reference to a source in the system of military-technical cooperation between Russia and foreign countries.

The next 10 machines are shipped to the customer. China will receive the remaining 10 units in the 2018 year.

- writes the edition

The Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation did not comment on this information.

We remind you that the first four cars were delivered at the end of 2016 of the year.

The contract for the purchase of X-NUMX-s Russian fighter Su-24 China, was signed by the countries in November 35 year. The cost of the agreement is estimated at no less than $ 2015 billion, the agreement also includes the supply of ground equipment and backup engines.

Su-35С (Flanker-E +, according to NATO classification) is a deeply modernized super-maneuverable multipurpose fighter of the “4 ++” generation, created using fifth-generation technologies. Distinctive features of the Su-35S are the new avionics complex based on digital information management system, a new radar station (radar) with a long range of detection of airborne targets and an increased number of simultaneously accompanied fire targets, increased thrust engines with controlled thrust vector.

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[Grandfather]

China received another batch of Su-35

conflicting thoughts ... the main one, the first board has already been dismantled by cogs?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Dead Day

China received another batch of Su-35

conflicting thoughts ... the main one, the first board has already been dismantled by cogs?

and the second is the Chinese, from which they don’t want to copy the IGL (F-15) ... do they know something?

[pjastolov]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

do they know something?

they guess

[Odysseus]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

and the second is the Chinese, from which they don’t want to copy the IGL (F-15) ... do they know something?

1) They do not have and never had an F-15.
2) It is unclear why they should copy an already obsolete aircraft.
3) They produced Su-27 under license, and then copied 15 years ago.

[just exp]

Well, needles like Su-27 have many faces, T-10 has Su-27, Su-34, Su-35, F-15 has F-15, F-15 strike needles, and F-15 silent needles.

[RASKAT]

Even if they sort it out, they are unlikely to understand something, much less copy it. AL-31 still can not copy, the same with C-300, missiles, submarines, etc., etc.

[novel66]

you need to teach them to swear - it may turn out that

[Romario_Argo]

China does not have production technologies, for example, a solid rotor with blades for a jet engine turbine, and with internal complex cooling channels for the blades, the outer surface of the rotor, being a large diameter bearing, is in contact with the bearing integrated into the external turbofan engine housing.
You can disassemble such an engine only by breaking it (!)
It’s already not exactly how to collect. Since the primary assembly is used memory of metal. Technologies(!)

[voyaka uh]

Not God burn the pots.
It is possible to split and master ANY technology.
Moreover, in a short time. South Korea has relatively recently made wooden fishing schooners. And today it supplies the whole world with the largest ships that launch in a few months.

[Romario_Argo]

Turbojet engines only Russia and England are responsible ... that no one can repeat so that work on failure should be at least 6000 hours before the overhaul. China has 1000 hours and "in the trash." and fuel eats many times more. Technologies(!)

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

It is possible to split and master ANY technology.

Yeah ... they developed their own engine based on what they understood from our engines, and for some reason the Chinese have half the resource, and the blades are of the wrong quality.

[NN52]

voyaka uh

On this topic ... we have a resource of 1000, with an inter-interval of 500.
After copying, they have 300.
And they asked under the contract not four spare engines on board, but four ... I don’t know, I don’t know how it ended ...

[voyaka uh]

They asked for 4 engines just to split the technology. These dozens of Su-35s are not bought in order to form a squadron of them. They will fly in tests at their research institutes and factories to compare with their own fighters. Until they achieve similar performance and engine life. China plans to invest a trillion dollars in the aviation industry over 10 years.
And they understand that they won’t be able to be the first to attack. They will blame their material technologists until they get the right alloys.

[just exp]

South Korea did not just take and began to develop.
someone invested a lot in it.
if there wasn’t this one, then Koreans would still build wooden schooners.

[RASKAT]

They have not yet learned to even make single-crystal alloys and plasma spraying on the blades. This results in a low temperature in the combustion chamber, which results in low thrust. This is me about their copy of our AL-31.

[Grandfather]

Quote: novel xnumx

you need to teach them to swear - it may turn out that

they don’t need to use foul language, and you don’t pronounce it with children ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: RASKAT

Even if they sort it out, they are unlikely to understand something, much less copy it. AL-31 still can not copy, the same with C-300, missiles, submarines, etc., etc.

oh well ... everything is already practically copied, TTX-catch up, a matter of time.

[PROXOR]

Of course it will. About 20 years later, maybe.

[Vladimir16]

If necessary, you can copy quickly. The question is the effectiveness of this lesson.
If you copy, then ALWAYS lag behind the author. If you want to be the first - create and create (a day nursery, kindergarten, school, university, research institute, etc., etc.), the Russians could. The Chinese are in the process.
Yes, and the meaning of copying at the moment, if you can buy the original?

[PROXOR]

It will not work for them to copy, even if they VERY want. Steel science is not a question of 10 or even 20 years. The Chinese are good at copying, but they won’t succeed in doing something of their own. All that China is now producing is sometimes a successful, new, mostly eerie symbiosis of various parts.

[Odysseus]

Quote: RASKAT

Even if they sort it out, they are unlikely to understand something, much less copy it. AL-31 still can not copy, the same with C-300, missiles, submarines, etc., etc.

And this is what the representative of the country (if you are from Russia) says, purchasing everything from a drill to conveyor lines in China.
Ah pug know she is strong since barks at an elephant

[Magic archer]

A couple of three years will pass and the Chinese will rivet them in hundreds ... I don’t understand our policy! Why strengthen the probable enemy?! China, Turkey ... Let us then sell some of the secret to the states ...

[bulvas]

Quote: Magic Archer

A couple of three years will pass and the Chinese will rivet them in hundreds ... I don’t understand our policy! Why strengthen the probable enemy?! China, Turkey ... Let us then sell some of the secret to the states ...

Well, if you buy a normal lot, you can sell

[pjastolov]

Quote: Magic Archer

Let’s then sell something secret to the states ...

they were given so much to them in the nineties that they still cannot study

[igor67]

that is, su 27, could they copy it, but they won’t be able to su35? su 35 deep modernization of su35, let the performance characteristics be worse, but by

[Vlad.by]

they copied the 27th only along the contours.
The engines got under the "meat", they in response do not "soot". Yes, and with the resource is trouble.
According to the glider - with flutter while struggling is not too successful. Rather, they win, but at the cost of heavier designs, which again does not lead to an increase in soot.
And the 35th compared to the 27th is like a Mercedes against the Cossack

[igor67]

Quote: Vlad.by

they copied the 27th only along the contours.
The engines got under the "meat", they in response do not "soot". Yes, and with the resource is trouble.
According to the glider - with flutter while struggling is not too successful. Rather, they win, but at the cost of heavier designs, which again does not lead to an increase in soot.
And the 35th compared to the 27th is like a Mercedes against the Cossack

Well, I wrote with TTX they won’t cope, for that it’s fine with the quantity,

[just exp]

why don’t they copy the Su-27 if they had all the documentation for their production, since China bought a license for them from the USSR?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Magic Archer

A couple of three years will pass and the Chinese will rivet them in hundreds ... I don’t understand our policy! Why strengthen a potential enemy?

it's all about the "magic bubbles ..." pah ... the technology for making turbine blades ... for China, this is a matter of a year or two, well, three. and to us ... we are not in the position to scatter even by ghostly allies, and by the ability to earn money somewhere, besides the “pipe”.

[PROXOR]

Come on!!!! They’ve been fighting for 20 years and 2-3 years are left.

[Grandfather]

Quote: PROXOR

Come on!!!! They’ve been fighting for 20 years and 2-3 years are left.

20 years ago, China only "stood up" ... what are you talking about? By the way ... do you have a telephone and a TV, are they Chinese by the hour?

[Spec]

Here recently it seems to some small-shaven that they suggested on an iPhone to fly from space, aha;)

[PROXOR]

PAPER !!!! So when you tell me that the phone or TV is 100% developed in China ?! There is no need to replace the concept of licensed production and the full cycle from design to the release of the final product.
For quite indicative:
The T-90 manufactured by India is a licensed assembly, China simply brazenly copies at the same time.
And our T-90 is completely our development with our own release.

[Vlad.by]

I have a Chinese-made iPhone. And a tablet.
But the design is still American.
Similarly, the J11 is just a copy of the Chinese-made Su-27.
And if Apple moved there factories for the production of iPhones ranging from cases and cables to processors, Sukhoi supplies only finished products without transferring technology. Mattresses also do not transmit iOS development, the Chinese have learned to copy in blocks and connect blocks. Apparently, someday they will learn how to design a strong and light glider and a powerful and durable engine. But ... competitors in this time will go forward. They will receive materials that are more resistant to temperature and cavitation, develop high-speed processes for "printing" the blades, increase the temperature of gases ... in China there is no design school yet. School copying and assembly is already in stock. Excellent.

[Berber]

Of all the likely opponents, China is the most vulnerable. Remember the factor of nuclear weapons.

[stasimar]

but I clearly understand everything. attempts to destroy Russia and the Russians for at least 300 years. those who take such strange steps do not consider themselves Russians to be eliminated and hope to survive.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: stasimar

but I clearly understand everything. attempts to destroy Russia and the Russians for at least 300 years. those who take such strange steps do not consider themselves Russians to be eliminated and hope to survive.

Do you think that we’ll live longer without selling 35? (and generally not 300, but a thousand years, one way or another, they want to “nullify” us anyway. But we don’t want to ...

[stasimar]

No, they won’t leave us alone, so that they wouldn’t give them to us. in the 90s they gave everything to international adventurers: land, mineral resources, economic power. still interfere! Slavs as a species they do not need.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Magic Archer

... Then let us sell something of the secret to the states ...

for us, these "brothers" have already done.

[Kibalchish]

The states already sold everything in the 90s.

[1982 only]

They copied the glider for a long time, for them this is not a problem for a long time. Everything is much more complicated with the engine, and even if all its parts are manufactured exactly, the materials of which these parts are made cannot yet be made. alloys are a secret behind seven seals in any state.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Solo 1982

secret behind seven seals in any state.

and in Ukraine? ...

[PROXOR]

Yes in her. For in Ukraine only the Sich engine, but he did not make engines for fighters.

[Grandfather]

Quote: PROXOR

Yes in her. For in Ukraine only the Sich engine, but he did not make engines for fighters.

then at Una, suddenly rockets flew to the cue cloud of miles ...

[PROXOR]

Well, why. They sold ready-made dvids. Kaby Eun himself riveted them.

[PROXOR]

Yes, and they have a glider from a series that went in trials. I mean the Su-33. And ours significantly changed this glider.

[Grandfather]

Quote: PROXOR

Yes, and they have a glider from a series that went in trials. I mean the Su-33. And ours significantly changed this glider.

do not collect any nonsense, about the Su-33 ... this is generally a ship-deck option.

[PROXOR]

Exactly. And a year ago there was an article that some kind of J-15 (mine) is cooler than our SU-33. And in fact, the J-15 is a test aircraft put into production by the Chinese, which was predicted to be in the SU-33, but a machine with serious modifications went into production.

DO NOT FORGET !!! Kohl, China is so close to the technical revolution: WHAT IS OUR GOOD FOR THEM !!! With truncated features. Turn on the brain.

[ioan-e]

Quote: Magic Archer

A couple of three years will pass and the Chinese will rivet them in hundreds ... I don’t understand our policy! Why strengthen the probable enemy?! China, Turkey ... Let us then sell some of the secret to the states ...

Do not mark your tongue! Any weapons that are exported have a passport of export appearance! And if the name is one, then the characteristics are completely different, and specifically underestimated and very serious.

[Grandfather]

Quote: ioan-e

Do not mark your tongue!

similarly ... and mind you ... the Chinese, laid the Bolt with the Device, on all the "passports of the export look."

[ioan-e]

Quote: Dead Day

Quote: ioan-e

Do not mark your tongue!

similarly ... and mind you ... the Chinese, laid the Bolt with the Device, on all the "passports of the export look."

If you sold a nail instead of a screw, you will not copy the screw from it!

[Spec]

As far as I understand, the possibilities of upgrading the Su-27 are approaching their limit. Thanks to the upgrade of avionics and power plant, the fourth generation can get a few more advantages, but nevertheless, it will not be the fifth. Su-35 is practically the last aircraft in this body, which is still being produced, and is still in demand on the foreign market. A couple more years, and that’s all, we will at best send them to consumables and moddings that have bought them. It’s also money, but not so big.
So now this and similar contracts, with the normal use of profit, should work to support the same 57s and other promising projects. We’ll sell the old more, we’ll get the new faster.
And, yes, I am aware that nine women will not be able to give birth to one child in a month. And even more so, no need for premature, less time and money will be spent on getting rid of "childhood diseases."

[Said]

And who decides where + where ++ and where 5.?

[Spec]

And who decides where + where ++ and where 5.?

Yes, we here consulted with the guys ... ;-)
You do not know that there are very specific requirements for the characteristics of aircraft of different generations ?!

[Bronevick]

They do not need airplanes in FIG, immediately the engines will be removed from them.

[dvvv]

the news is twofold, I suppose. It’s good that there are still achievements that Ketais want to buy. It is bad that the real new is very small and the possibilities for creating the real new in Russia are steadily declining. The machine-tool industry, electronics, science are ruined, and the Soviet backlogs are melting. The Ketais, on the contrary, are steadily moving forward and are already very far from Russia in machine tools and electronics and financial resources. Sooner or later, they will start making planes better than the USSR did, and Russia continues. And not in 20 years, but in 5-10 years and they won’t buy anything

[SERVER]

I remember watching (I forgot what it is called) a doc film about one of our missile defense systems, ch. the constructor answered the journalist’s question about the possible copying of “friends” from the Middle Kingdom, saying that you can copy anything you like, but it is impossible to copy the algorithm of the system’s operation without which it is just an empty piece of hardware ...