National Guard of Ukraine received a "new" helicopter

The National Guard of Ukraine received a Mi-2MSB helicopter that was repaired and modernized at the Motor Sich enterprise.

The commander of the National Guard, Colonel-General Yuri Allerov, and the president of Motor Sich, Vyacheslav Boguslayev, arrived at the transfer of equipment. They met with journalists in the flight test complex and conducted the first test flight. All those present had the opportunity to inspect the repaired Mi-2MSB with the Zaporozhye AI-450 engine.

The National Guard is an elite unit that performs the most important tasks. Today is a big event. In this helicopter, only the old wheels, the rest - everything is new. The warranty on it - 8 years. Our product is three times cheaper than foreign helicopters: both in price and cost of spare parts and maintenance

- - Vyacheslav Boguslaev told reporters,

Mi-2MSB - modernization of the proven Mi-2 helicopter with the installation of AI-450В engines. According to the manufacturers, the advantages of the upgraded technology are lower fuel consumption and increased range by 30%, an increase in the payload by 20%, an increase in the maximum flight ceiling by 15%, a twofold increase in engine overhaul time.

V. Boguslaev also said that at the moment there are "taking into account the destroyed DOSAAF" about 200 helicopters in Ukraine, of which 70 are in good condition, therefore Motor Sich intends to continue upgrading the helicopters.

Comments

[Vitas]

New who argues. You go to bed, drink a haloperidol. Glory to Ukraine patient!

[Jedi]

Let's see how many rotorcraft "Motor Sich" will modernize and how they will fly - then it will be clear: it’s overpowered.

[Pete mitchell]

Jedi tell me a friend, otherwise I’m in complete prostration: are they serious?

[Orionvit]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

otherwise I’m in complete prostration: are they serious?

That's just the point, seriously. Motor Sich enterprise is still normal, despite the collapse. Another thing is that the AI-450, the engine is quite crude, was not in operation, for 15 years of testing, it was never brought to mind. They upgraded one helicopter, well, they’ll make another five, but about 300 pieces, it’s clearly they have waved.

[Jedi]

Hello my friend! Do you still accept applications from ukroreich at face value? Do not believe them - you will not be deceived.

[Pete mitchell]

Jedi, Orionvit Once Again Yes, it’s not about us: we are not deceived, it doesn’t matter, we are not going to fly on this. But how they do not spare their flyers ... Well, heather help them. I already saw countries where at first they proudly raised their heads, and then they realized that they could not cook pilots, now they don’t need aviation either ...

[Jedi]

In my opinion, when modernizing, the general state of the equipment being modernized must be taken into account. No matter how good the engine is, but putting it on a bucket of bolts is pointless.

[Pete mitchell]

You don’t need to be a genius to understand: once powerful industries are trying to survive and maintain at least some potential. The idea of ​​Mi-2 is insane by definition, they are trying to scratch the crumbs from the state.
It's a pity MotorSich, the time is tough: dropped out of the cage and meet, they fell out - repair if someone entrusts this ceiling, there is no independent future, can anyone allow pieces of paper to be brought

[Jedi]

In modern Ukraine, too much of the legacy of the USSR is profucan for lace shorts. And I will not remind anyone who dill blame for this.

[Cruel beaver]

Haloperidolchik will not help here. Only rope and soap.

[forester]

It was a long time ago - from one of the “zones” one craftsman flew away on a self-made helicopter with an engine from a chainsaw, either “ural” or “friendship”, it doesn’t matter - but flew away !!! So I think he’s not amusing himself there, because they never found him))))

[Herculesic]

So that his engine would stop in flight, that the gearbox at a height would jam tightly — dishonor our turntable! !!

[Vitas]

So that's the trick. Savetskaya technique failed, the recession of the Valonter, throw yourself on a helicopter. Or maybe the wheels are sovetskie

Only the wheels are old in this helicopter, the rest is all new.

pulled to the ground ?! )))

[Vlad.by]

The wheels are definitely new!
And with the rest there are questions.

[omit]

Realist in life, with a sense of humor Herculesych
This is his humor, someday they will wish him to stop the engine.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Sich no longer knows where to put its production capacities and its products, so that the remnants of hard workers do not scatter ... have IL-2 not yet been modernized? Won technology is already sold to the Chinese under the guise of a joint venture in China

[Orionvit]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

Sich no longer knows where to put its production capacities and its products, so that the remnants of hard workers do not scatter

Normal hard workers have already fled, pensioners and ballast remained. AI-450, they have long been offering, and for the remotorization of the old MI-2, and the new KA-226, but while they brought the engine to mind, the Maidan happened, and now they are sitting with their engines. And it’s a pity, such an enterprise was, now everything is down the drain. Rather, the "new Ukraine" under the tail.

[Lexus]

- Performed for the first time!
- Wait, they’ve been singing her for 50 years.
- For me - for the first time!

[NKT]

If everything is so straight new, then why leave the old wheels?

[Aleksandr69]

So what then to blame for failure?)

[Terenin]

The National Guard of Ukraine received a "new" helicopter.
Pass your helicopter - ours fiery Hello! Signature of LDNR

[Berkut154]

Of course, I understand that Mimino drove a cow and sheep on it ... but the Mi-2 is somehow not very adapted for war ... If only in the rear of the people to carry and then a little)))

[Cruel beaver]

So sheep and Svidomo sheep just carry and will ....

[ventel]

I understand that when there is nothing to say so, sarcastic remarks appear. Well, why in the west and in America light helicopters are in service even though they are based on civilian ones.

[fizteh]

My friend! So in the West! And not in Hohland !!

[ventel]

You know, they are not offended by the great-power hatchets because they live in their own little world where they are proud of their former greatness, not noticing the reality of today. And yes, despite your achievements in terms of the defense industry and cutting dough, we still have to grow and grow.

[dad]

To patrol the border guards, forest guards, traffic cops, ambulances, this is very good. In my opinion, there is a very good helicopter in its class. And if my memory serves me in the former GDR, instead of hanging tanks, they hung UB-16

[demchuk.ig]

They will also find MI-1 somewhere and with great fanfare, consecration of the priest by the Christ seller will be transferred to the army!

[Evil 55]

Shameful ... On the paint, to renew the old shaggy, there was enough money, but there were no more money for new boots (wheels) ..))

[Makarov]

The 450th good motor ... not the best but not very bad, especially with bourgeois components ...

[dad]

And the Mi-2 is not even a bad helicopter. After major repairs with new engines

Quote: Makarov

not the best but not very bad either

The GTD-350 was clearly rather weak. The most important thing is to teach cadets at the "flying bike" schools

[Orionvit]

Quote: Makarov

450th good motor

It would bring to mind. As far as I remember, I drove all the chips during the tests, and the bourgeois components will not help here. Moreover, when it’s never been in real operation, it’s only left to put on “your” sides. Ukroarmiya will endure.

[Nikolay R-PM]

In addition to the Mi-2 engine, it would be necessary to work with the main gearbox and tail transmission.
The main gearbox needs to be redone: the kinematic scheme by the standards of our days is irrational, the main power branch consists of four (if the memory does not change) steps, the selection for the tail shaft drive is from the right engine branch, the method of installing the gearbox is on a cast bracket because of which the oil pan had to be loaded with it, etc. When this gearbox was created, the developers sought to achieve maximum unification with the P-1 gearbox (for the Mi-1), taking into account the subsequent production of the Mi-1 and Mi-2 in Poland. The unification was achieved, but paid for it with a significant decrease in the specific transmitted power of the VR-2 gearbox.
It is also necessary to refine the tail shaft: replace the cardans with splined couplings (as with MI-8) or with plate ones.
In my opinion, only an integrated approach to helicopter modernization - re -ortortization and modernization of transmission units - can breathe new life into a well-deserved car.

[Makarov]

50+ turns ... I would be surprised if I didn’t drive =) but in general there is no one to bring to mind, as far as I know there are almost no specialists left ...

[Nikolay R-PM]

High revolutions per se are not the cause of chip formation. The chips in the gearbox are formed for the following reasons:
1. Natural chip formation in the first 50-60 hours with a new gearbox or gearbox after repair. It is a powdery metal dust in small quantities. Its presence is explained by running-in parts of the gearbox. Almost always found in operation, but is not a reason for removing the gearbox from a helicopter.
2. Chip formation during insufficient lubrication. It occurs due to a decrease in the amount of oil supplied to the bearings and gearing. The regime is a prerequisite for the development of a difficult situation.
3. Non-observance of cleanliness requirements when assembling the gearbox.
4. defects are structural and technological. Constructive reasons include unforeseen misalignment of bearings under load, unforeseen deformation of shafts and gears. Technological ones include, for example, the imperfection of the chemical-thermal treatment regimes, as a result of which the contacting surfaces have differences in hardness.
Very high-speed gears (from 15000 to 20000 or more rpm) are in operation and they do not have a massive problem with chip formation.

[Makarov]

Thanks for the fascinating lecture, but what does the gearbox have to do with it if I spoke about the motor itself?

[Nikolay R-PM]

The engine gearbox is the same gearbox that, for the reasons stated above, can drive chips. Alarms are installed in the boxes. At least, if engines come to us because of shavings, then the box drives it.
Honestly, I do not know about the signaling about chip formation in the motor shaft bearings. Have a question?
just "enlightened" on the example of tv3-117 and its ss-78 signaling devices. One-sidedly approached the issue from the bell tower of the transmission man)

[Makarov]

I own so much that I can assure you - checking them on 136 and 336 engines is one of the most exciting activities, when after 10-15 minutes of fuss on the verge of "Kama Sutra" the reward was burning oil on hands =)
But in general, it didn’t come to the gearbox with me (12 years ago). There were problems at the stage of assembly and manufacturing of parts. Production was not set up for the manufacture of such machines. The starter - yes, but a full-fledged small device - it was difficult, but buttered, although the French already jumped then ... in any case, for technological reasons, for sure ...

[Nikolay R-PM]

136 is d-136? And 336, what kind of engine is this?
but what was the fuss caused by the verge of the Indian treatise on love?))) Inconvenient approaches? Those. were there any special problems with the boxes? Have you previously worked for Sich or Ivchenko?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Stop hacking is not the case. A helicopter as a helicopter is quite a normal machine for its class, it can throw out the landing where necessary and pick up the goods and take them, but less than the Mi-8, but still this is a helicopter and they are produced in Ukraine ...
Let's hope they do a little ...

[LeonidL]

They have not been produced anywhere for a long time !!! This is from the warehouses of not even the army, but DOSOAF !!

[Kot_Kuzya]

Shame on you! It remains to rake, paint, and pump it from the Mi-1 warehouses to the APU. The horses can only pull the Soviet legacy! They can’t do anything new and their pots.

[ventel]

I’m wondering if you would call me at least one Russian private company that would make a helicopter from scratch that would be sold abroad, just don’t need to talk about Ansat. In Ukraine, at least two private companies that develop and manufacture light helicopters are Aerocopter from Poltava and Horizont from Kiev.

[Andrew]

Shaw, Muscovites! Return Crimea for good, until this rotorcraft has flown in and made you a nightmare! The main thing is not to crash the wires again

[LeonidL]

Oh my God! Yes, they just robbed DOSOAF !!! How many years MI-2 is no longer available? there probably the whole structure has long decayed.

[ventel]

You tell this to the Iranians, they will be surprised to find out that their cobras, Iroquois, Chinooks, Sea Kings, Stelons rotted or crumbled.

[DEMENTOR]

cool, there is something to drive in the EEC for Tequilla)))

[DEMENTOR]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: Pete Mitchell

otherwise I’m in complete prostration: are they serious?

That's just the point, seriously. Motor Sich enterprise is still normal, despite the collapse. Another thing is that the AI-450, the engine is quite crude, was not in operation, for 15 years of testing, it was never brought to mind. They upgraded one helicopter, well, they’ll make another five, but about 300 pieces, it’s clearly they have waved.

Well, there was already 600 carnations repaired, like ?????

[assa67]

woah! but I was thinking where they were going to go .... in the Russian Federation, they are standing at gas stations as an enticement (for example, the M-2 highway, from Moscow on the right side) ... Oh! guys will have to advertise, recall when refueling ..... I wonder how much it took for the plastic cap on the engines from the budget?