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A Land of Unlearned Lessons

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2017, rich in glorious dates, was also marked by a bitter jubilee. 150 years of sale by Alexander II of Russian America are fulfilled. Today it is especially acutely understood that this perfect 30 of March 1867 of the year when the imperial administration handed over Russian capabilities in the Pacific was unprecedented in stories Fatherland state and civilizational crime. Anyway, up to 1991.

What is the cost of the Alaskan deployment of the sinister American HAARP system, not to mention the position of the US NMD area deployed in the former Russian America. But if it were not for the incompetent rule of the late Alexander I, and then Nicholas I, and already directly the criminal policy of Alexander II regarding the “American” part of the imperial possessions, which made up a tenth of the entire territory of Russia, then in Alaska, on the islands of the Alexander Archipelago today position regions of Russian ICBMs. And not only the Voivode, Topol and Yarsy would reach the USA, but even medium-range missiles. States would be what is called a gun.

The refusal of the Russian Empire from its North American possessions became the largest geopolitical miscalculation in the entire post-Petrine history. The epic of the discovery and development of Russian America fascinated everyone: the brilliant names of Peter and Catherine the Great, the fate of the Russian "forerunners" - pioneers and naval officers, their achievements, adventures and labors. But the history of Russian America is also a chain of acts of sabotage by Britain and the United States against our geopolitical prospects in the Pacific. Suffice it to recall the speech given in St. Paul, Minnesota, by the Secretary of State of the North American States Seward during the Crimean War: continent as the outposts of St. Petersburg, and I can say: "Go on and build your outposts along the entire coast, even to the Arctic Ocean - they will nevertheless become the outposts of my own country - monuments to the civilization of the United States in the Northwest ..."

Long-standing frankness of the Yankees makes you think not only about the past, but also about the future. Including in the light of a pressing question: for the sake of what will the Russian North still be mastered - the energy desires of the West or the long-term interests of the integrated development of this part of our country, unique in geographical length and potential, for the benefit of the peoples of Russia? At the end of the twentieth century, Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote a book titled The Grand Chessboard, and the Anglo-Saxons are playing global "chess" brazenly, forcefully. And how do we answer them? Defending Syria and rejecting Ukraine as one of the two fundamental elements of a united and indivisible Russia?

The former Russian North American possessions (and one should not forget about the enclave of Fort Ross and about the projects of the Russian Hawaiian Islands) brought fabulous profits to the Yankees who had taken possession of them. They are a hundred times higher than the negligible amount of seven million dollars that were paid - and then even with a contract-violating delay - for the purchase.

Furs, fish, whales, gold, oil, timber, ore minerals ... All this was given to the United States by the territories discovered by the Russians, mastered by the Russians and officially belonged to Russia, but in the end lost by the stupid, greedy, self-interested anti-national elite. Is the current elite much more far-sighted and nationally oriented? Great at the beginning and development, but sad at the end of the history of Russian America makes you think about it ...

The history of Russian America is the epic of the huge and active patriotism of the Russian people, beginning with the time of Peter and even earlier. And this is also an actual lesson, exciting and inspiring. The archives preserved astonishingly strong in spirit his compiling document - “The Ordinance of G. I. Shelikhov (founder of Russian America. - S. B.) and the navigators of his company, adopted on the island of Kyktak (Kodiak. - S. B.) 1785. December 11. This is the protocol of the general meeting of the Shelikhov expedition, at which very specific pressing issues were discussed, but also the manifesto and the program.

In particular, it was said: “We determined each of our diligence to our dear fatherland of our own free will to find different people unknown to us across the islands and in America of various nations, with whom to start a trade, and through that ... try to subdue such peoples into citizenship. And by our zealous desire, the American limit of God's help has already reached, and after a year's time here in Kenyah, many people were found ... And they bargained with the inhabitants, places with their lands, some inspecting, described, laid out on the map and plan. And besides, inside the land of America and along the coast of it, we hear about wild nations independent of anyone of the different clans, and through that, we hope that our work and losses should be properly repaired, and thus the income that our workers unforeseen by our labor should be discovered. ” .

Many things can be understood from the Shelikhov document: both the measure of the authors' tests, and their understanding of the importance of combining personal and state interest into one, and their desire not to destroy “wild nations”, but to include them within the limits of Russian life. All Shelikhov's “Ordinance” pervaded the pioneering spirit, and it ended like this: “... we must, in order to spread the territory of the All-Russian Empire to the local land edge, search all parts of the unknown islands and the peoples living in such places through tenderness, in friendship to bring both on the islands and on the motherland of American land inhabited ... "

By deciding on the Kodiak 11 on December 1785 of the year, and it turned out! In 1786, the people of Shelikhov set up fortresses on Afognak Island off the southeast coast of Alaska and on the Kenai Peninsula. And in 1789, by his order, the first borders of Russian America are marked with 15 metal signs.

It was a long time ago, but it was. And this should not be forgotten not only for the sake of historical justice, but also for the sake of the future of the peoples of Russia.
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  1. Cat
    Cat 24 December 2017 06: 53
    +7
    Russian America!
    Land of unrealized opportunities or a suitcase with ice? The debate on this subject will probably be eternal, alas, history has no syllabic declension and does not enter the same water twice.
    So the author is right in one thing, the "lesson" for our state is that land is a property that has no value! Living space - however. For example, all our wide gestures in the last century are already deeply forgotten in the present century. Alas, we stepped on this rake twice more! Sadly .............
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 December 2017 09: 05
      14
      Quote: Kotischa
      So the author is right in one thing, the "lesson" for our state is that land is a property that has no value!

      The author is not right in anything: there were almost no Russians in Alaska, as well as in Kamchatka, Chukotka, and the Far East.
      Vladivostok had just been laid down. Primorye required a huge application of forces: China hardly agreed to the Russian status of the region.
      Alaska no longer had the strength, nor the means, nor the fleet. Or they would have taken it for free, or, as Russia cleverly did, for money.
      If they clung, they would have lost both Primorye and Alaska
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 24 December 2017 11: 34
        +4
        Alaska no longer had the strength, nor the means, nor the fleet.

        Miklouho-Maclay also offered to fight for the islands in the Pacific Ocean. Fortunately, the king did not agree.
        And now the Far East would have had the strength to preserve.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 24 December 2017 12: 31
          +2
          40-50 years before "And now the Far East would have had the strength to preserve for itself.
          it is necessary to raise a generation, the cat will consider these lands his own and pass on this attitude to his children.
          and with a decrease in population, this may not stretch the "Russian Pacific Ocean"
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 24 December 2017 17: 25
        +3
        Olgovich, and yet, you are right: at that time Russian America was already paying off badly. As soon as the war ended and with China the “grater” has not yet settled down with England.
      3. saigon
        saigon 13 March 2018 18: 43
        0
        Yes, China didn’t ask much, it wasn’t where China was to go. The country was torn into shreds and, according to some information, the Chinese in those parts were rare guests — such as a very wild west. And the rest is precisely noted.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 24 December 2017 07: 14
    +2
    Eh ... what has fallen is gone ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 December 2017 07: 35
      +3
      Is it really sold out? It’s leased out, although I may be faked .. And the lease has expired.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 24 December 2017 07: 39
        +3
        Alas ... sold .. the lease is the same fake as the fake that Catherine sold Alaska ...
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 08: 07
        12
        Quote: 210ox
        Is it really sold out?

        Sold, unfortunately. It didn’t work out, that’s why they sold it ... cheaply, so as not to be taken away for nothing.
        Money, by the way, did not reach RI, as far as I remember.
        Look at least for Topvar, here a lot of articles were not on this topic.
        1. Trapperxnumx
          Trapperxnumx 26 December 2017 14: 05
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Money, by the way, did not reach RI, as far as I remember.

          We got and spent on the construction of railways. Only money did not reach:
          1. Spent on senators who did not want to buy Alaska
          2. Spent on equipment for railways, part of which was ordered abroad
  3. antivirus
    antivirus 24 December 2017 07: 21
    +4
    RI lost to Britain the race for the Pacific Ocean in front of the Crimean c.
    and the surrender of Alaska is a condition for lifting restrictions after the war.
    transport accessibility however - "travel time" "bandwidth" etc.

    they didn’t want to build a railway to Irkutsk by 1860 and by 1850 to Odessa and Arkhangelsk + Astrakhan-- Faberge eggs would be small.
    The Ocean Race is won by Britain. see the colonization of China
    but in Nice often the Russian court walked.
    1. Vard
      Vard 24 December 2017 07: 31
      +3
      The role of crooks and corruption in history has not been studied enough ... As a result ... Yes, we step on the rake again and again ... I hope the Kuril Islands still have enough will not to give ...
  4. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 07: 52
    +3
    In this century, it’s quite possible to return Alaska, the future civil war in the USA to help us, well, against this background, we ourselves need to be successful and attractive. It’s like with the Crimea in general.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 10: 12
      13
      Quote: Mu Diazwon
      Alaska in this century is quite possible to return ... About the same as with Crimea in general

      In Crimea - Russians, "fed up" from the outskirts to vomit, focused strictly on Russia.
      In Alaska, oddly enough - the Americans are pretty good living, and the Russian Federation for them is "Empire of Evil." Thanks to the propaganda, it works much better in the States than, for example, in Ukraine. And much longer, I note.
      So that the peaceful option, "like with the Crimea about," somehow not visible, no?
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 13: 49
        0
        It is being looked through, you just don’t see well :-)
    2. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 24 December 2017 15: 33
      +4
      Quote: Mu Diazwon
      , future US civil war

      From the series "USA Rosvaliazzo" 111
      Quote: Mu Diazwon
      Against this background, we ourselves need to be successful and attractive.

      Very noticeable, og.
      Quote: Mu Diazwon
      Alaska in this century is quite possible to return

      Are Alaskan residents ready to exchange their standard of living (which is anyway higher than in the Far East) for the status of a forgotten suburb? Dream.
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 02: 49
        0
        Only 5 years ago, few people thought that very soon Crimea would return to Russia, they only dreamed.
        And looking at the insanity that is happening now in US domestic politics, I will not be surprised at anything, even if there, in the USA, there will be complete chaos soon.
        And there are other reasons.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 02: 59
          +8
          Quote: Mu Diazwon
          looking at the insanity that is happening now in domestic politics

          Nothing supernatural happens there.
          The group "in power" has changed. Now there is a planned sweep of all government agencies under the "new broom". And it’s going quite well for itself.
          All this is not reflected on the layman, the layman doesn’t care ... why would something "fall apart" there?
          Quote: Mu Diazwon
          I won’t be surprised at anything, even if there, in the USA, will be complete chaos soon

          Will not be. I don’t even know if this is good or bad, but it definitely won’t.
          Quote: Mu Diazwon
          Yes, and there are other reasons.

          Significance, as a rule, is a sign of the absence of clear arguments wink
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 03: 25
            0
            Wait and see.
            I have a small shitty tablet and poor mobile Internet, so it’s difficult to write sometimes, even if there are clear arguments. I don’t quite agree with you on other points.
  5. losevo36
    losevo36 24 December 2017 08: 57
    +2
    WHAT TO ARGUMENT — HISTORY DOES NOT HAVE A SUBJECTIVE DIFFERENCE - WE EXPERIENCE, TURN DOWN, AND NEXT WILL BE SMARTER AND MUCHERER !!!!
    1. Rusfaner
      Rusfaner 17 January 2018 10: 00
      0
      From the language removed!
      History does not know the subjunctive mood. You have to think about tomorrow!
  6. San Sanych
    San Sanych 24 December 2017 09: 05
    +1
    You can not trade your land. Alaska should be returned, and not only her. Too many gifts were made by Russia, but no one appreciated this.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 24 December 2017 10: 45
      +3
      How do you get her back? and by the way, how do you look at this local population? The standard of living in Alaska is higher than in Kamchatka or the Far East.
      1. San Sanych
        San Sanych 24 December 2017 14: 49
        +1
        Quote: Conductor
        How do you get her back? and by the way, how do you look at this local population? The standard of living in Alaska is higher than in Kamchatka or the Far East.

        The Punic Wars lasted 124 years, and in the end Carthage was crushed, despite all its power, and southern Sakhalin was also once Japanese for a short time, now it is the territory of Russia, as before, because it cannot be otherwise.
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 24 December 2017 17: 06
          0
          LTD!!!! Only Americans are not japas.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 24 December 2017 12: 35
      0
      return first the disputed (divide) Bering Sea
      all dr fairy tale for adults
  7. Conductor
    Conductor 24 December 2017 10: 44
    11
    It is strange to hear crying about Alaska and generally about Russian America. Russia did not have the opportunity to fully develop it, and private capital did not draw and did not want to invest there, due to the complexity of communications and geographical location. And what was interesting for us at that moment in Alaska. Fur, fish. To deliver furs to the metropolis before the year leaves. It’s difficult to deliver even to Siberia. About gold, minerals, oil and gas, and there was no talk. Military - strategic location? and what did it give us? Keep troops there and supplies like? If all supplies are by sea across the Atlantic, Indian and Pacific Oceans, or by dry route through Siberia. There was no future for her. Under the Union, the Far East, with difficulty, mastered Chukotka and Kamchatka, but now all the more difficult. And then there is Alaska.
    1. San Sanych
      San Sanych 24 December 2017 15: 08
      +2
      Quote: Conductor
      It is strange to hear crying about Alaska and generally about Russian America. Russia did not have the opportunity to fully develop it, and private capital did not draw and did not want to invest there, due to the complexity of communications and geographical location. And what was interesting for us at that moment in Alaska. Fur, fish. To deliver furs to the metropolis before the year leaves. It’s difficult to deliver even to Siberia. About gold, minerals, oil and gas, and there was no talk. Military - strategic location? and what did it give us? Keep troops there and supplies like? If all supplies are by sea across the Atlantic, Indian and Pacific Oceans, or by dry route through Siberia. There was no future for her. Under the Union, the Far East, with difficulty, mastered Chukotka and Kamchatka, but now all the more difficult. And then there is Alaska.

      If you talk like that, then you would have to sell Kamchatka and Chukotka at the same time, but in this case, you won’t get enough of such "reasoners" of state lands. Selling Alaska is a mistake.
      1. mar4047083
        mar4047083 24 December 2017 16: 57
        0
        The problem is that in the XNUMXth century there were no buyers in Kamchatka and Chukotka.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 04: 11
          0
          Well, it wasn’t, even the conquerors sailed to Kamchatka, but they raided and dumped.
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 24 December 2017 17: 08
        +2
        Or maybe the mistake is still not to open your mouth too wide (this is not for you), or else the piece is large, and the resources should be moved to closer territories and a little more developed, and not smeared with a thin layer?
      3. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 03: 38
        +8
        Quote: San Sanych
        Selling Alaska, this is a mistake ...

        ... already perfect. And the reverse, alas, is not examined.
        Everything else is a fairy tale for primary school children yes
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 December 2017 03: 55
          +9
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And the reverse, alas, is not examined

          not visible. Klava, grind ...
          1. Romulus
            Romulus 25 December 2017 04: 21
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            not visible.

            Quoting yourself makes my conversation more poignant. B. Shaw.
            It remains to be happy for the sold Alaska, it would not be even sadder there than now in Chukotka ...
        2. San Sanych
          San Sanych 25 December 2017 10: 43
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: San Sanych
          Selling Alaska, this is a mistake ...

          ... already perfect. And the reverse, alas, is not examined.
          Everything else is a fairy tale for primary school children yes

          The course of history is full of vicissitudes) so it is not necessary to affirm in haste, sometimes it’s not even happen) and as for fairy tales, there is much more wisdom in them than in some "scientific works" and dissertations)
      4. sibiryouk
        sibiryouk 25 December 2017 17: 34
        +2
        Before regretting Alaska it would be nice to equip Siberia! And then you become like a dog in the manger (I’m not eating it myself, and I won’t give it to anyone!) We have hardly mastered the vast territories beyond the Urals! One railway to the Far East, and even extra-expensive flights to the north, a meager population density a little away from the Trans-Siberian Railway, and many of the richest territories are generally deserted and have not been developed!
  8. Cartalon
    Cartalon 24 December 2017 11: 07
    0
    The story from the story section disappears gradually.
  9. Cartalon
    Cartalon 24 December 2017 11: 10
    +6
    Moaning about Alaska stupidity if not sold would have gone into the Civil War
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 24 December 2017 12: 00
      +3
      Could and go to Russian = -Japanese, as compensation for the USA for mediation.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 24 December 2017 12: 48
        +1
        Well, the United States mediated free of charge, and here they would squeeze a huge territory, give the precedent for such mediation.
      2. San Sanych
        San Sanych 24 December 2017 15: 32
        0
        Quote: Conductor
        Could and go to Russian = -Japanese, as compensation for the USA for mediation.

        but could not leave
    2. San Sanych
      San Sanych 24 December 2017 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: Cartalon
      Moaning about Alaska stupidity if not sold would have gone into the Civil War

      not a fact, it's all idle fiction
    3. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 04: 15
      0
      Or would it become Russian "Taiwan"?
    4. San Sanych
      San Sanych 25 December 2017 10: 45
      0
      Quote: Cartalon
      Moaning about Alaska stupidity if not sold would have gone into the Civil War

      Kamchatka has not left, nor is the FER, so it’s not a fact
  10. 89067359490
    89067359490 24 December 2017 13: 57
    +2
    I don’t think that they would have saved this territory. 1898 during the "gold rush" 100 came to get it. Mostly Americans. During the Russo-Japanese one, too, it would be possible to lose it. And finally a civil war. American troops landed in Vladivostok and Murmansk, all the more they would come to Alaska. So they would not be kept.
    1. San Sanych
      San Sanych 24 December 2017 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: 89067359490
      I don’t think that they would have saved this territory. 1898 during the "gold rush" 100 came to get it. Mostly Americans. During the Russo-Japanese one, too, it would be possible to lose it. And finally a civil war. American troops landed in Vladivostok and Murmansk, all the more they would come to Alaska. So they would not be kept.

      Vladivostok is a Russian city, and Murmansk, too, and Alaska would also be Russian if it had not been abandoned and sold
  11. baudolino
    baudolino 24 December 2017 14: 11
    +5
    How convenient it is to regret Alaska without leaving the couch with all the amenities. And if you taste the north to the fullest, then regretting the deafness, which is even farther from Russia, is at least silly.
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 04: 18
      0
      But there, in Alaska, people live - not everyone lives in Moscow. It may even be nice in places.
      1. Romulus
        Romulus 25 December 2017 04: 24
        0
        Quote: Mu Diazwon
        .Maybe there, in places, even not bad.

        God bless our Chukchi and Kamchadals to live like that .. and the Magadans too, don’t cry in your vest - soak your sleeves)
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 04: 29
          +1
          I don’t understand what you mean, I’m about natural conditions. And why should I cry?
          1. Romulus
            Romulus 25 December 2017 04: 31
            0
            Quote: Mu Diazwon
            I don’t understand what you mean, I'm about natural conditions

            Then I'm calling, maybe I misunderstood you hi
  12. mar4047083
    mar4047083 24 December 2017 14: 22
    +7
    It is not clear why the realities of the XNUMXst century should be transferred to the XNUMXth century. Now the state has one opportunity, the Republic of Ingushetia in the XNUMXth century was completely different. And if the author suffers from an aggravated form of “cheers of patriotism”, he still has a chance to exalt Russia's might in the vastness of Chukotka. How to mourn Alaska so from those who wish, there is no end, but how to master Chukotka is silence.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 24 December 2017 17: 09
      +1
      Perfect and absolutely to the point. Not even Chukotka, where there, what thread is Yakutsk or Magadan, try to lure.
    2. Curious
      Curious 24 December 2017 19: 36
      +5
      Better yet, to appreciate the reality, tear the mortal shell off the couch and drive through the Far Eastern Federal District. You can also evaluate the population density and development of the territory on different sides of the border with China.
      Nevertheless, the commercial component finally won. Information materials on the site have almost disappeared. Themes are presented exclusively as a fan sketch. Alaska, Dzerzhinsky, Cheka - articles over the weekend. Minimum information, maximum provocation.
      1. Antares
        Antares 24 December 2017 22: 23
        +2
        Quote: Curious
        Minimum information, maximum provocation.

        The law of the mass consumer genre. The fact that experts read, so they are few. But the mass understandable, simple as slogans appeals, parasitism on patriotism ...
        In general, few people appreciate special materials (due to the small number of such people), but many lament such understandings.
        Century of consumption ....
  13. San Sanych
    San Sanych 24 December 2017 15: 23
    +1
    Quote: 89067359490
    I don’t think that they would have saved this territory. 1898 during the "gold rush" 100 came to get it. Mostly Americans. During the Russo-Japanese one, too, it would be possible to lose it. And finally a civil war. American troops landed in Vladivostok and Murmansk, all the more they would come to Alaska. So they would not be kept.

    if my grandmother had ... no fantasy, Alaska is Russian land.
    1. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 24 December 2017 15: 35
      +6
      Quote: San Sanych
      Alaska is Russian land.

      Only in dreams cheers patriots. Even when it was, three cripples from local nationalities lived there. Very Russian land.

      Do not agree ? Take away from the Americans if the strength is enough.
      1. San Sanych
        San Sanych 24 December 2017 15: 47
        +1
        They will return it themselves) if you politely ask them)
        1. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 24 December 2017 15: 49
          +5
          Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. Here, from the Crimea, the navel is torn, and give Alaska to you.
          1. San Sanych
            San Sanych 24 December 2017 15: 57
            +2
            The navel from the Crimea is torn by the Yusovites and their mongrel) and not only the navel, they have been suffering from diarrhea for three years already
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              1. Mu Dialer
                Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 04: 36
                0
                Maybe you should deal with the problems of Belarus? Or you go to the Russian website and you all whine about our supposedly problems. Is it Russophobe? Meanwhile, your hard workers go to Russia to earn money, apparently from a good life.
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 24 December 2017 17: 13
      +1
      Without getting up from the couch, you proclaimed Alaska the land that should be returned to the mother’s womb of Russia because it is OUR. Hooray!!! Now it remains to report this fact to the United States and the local population. By the way, you think about returning to us Manchuria and the CER, is also a topic.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 December 2017 18: 21
        +4
        Call Veneya on the branch. He will return Russia to Russia like two-two-four (everything is proved!)
        and its ancestral Egypt, and India, and ... take a look at the globe ... whatever.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 25 December 2017 10: 51
          +1
          and its ancestral Egypt, and India, and ... take a look at the globe ... whatever.

          good let the Chinese wall be returned! fellow We need her for hell - another question, but I need to return it! wink drinks
      2. Balagan
        Balagan 24 December 2017 18: 46
        0
        The idea of ​​Yellow Russia, although it died, but a hundred years ago was very relevant.
        1. Antares
          Antares 24 December 2017 22: 25
          0
          Quote: booth
          The idea of ​​Yellow Russia, although it died, but a hundred years ago was very relevant.

          many Russian souls (peoples of the Republic of Ingushetia) perished for this idea
          And then it was still clear that Siberia had not been mastered, but they were already striving for the Yellow Russia.
  14. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 December 2017 17: 32
    +1
    At that time, American newspapers were ironic that the Russian tsar had been beaten off by good grandmothers for a "suitcase with ice" and, in my opinion, they were going to a Senate check by the Russians
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 December 2017 18: 18
    +4
    "150 years of the sale of Alexander II of Russian America." ////

    Ugh ... it passed, the Eskimos exhaled and relaxed.
    And they raised a toast to the Chukchi brothers on the other side and
    their great white shaman in jeans - Abramovich. fellow
  16. Balagan
    Balagan 24 December 2017 18: 41
    +3
    It is good to criticize from a height of one and a half centuries. But then the real question was whether we would lose Alaska and Amur Region (with Primorye), or only Alaska. The Russian-American company was no longer the same, and the Crimean War showed the problems of the Far East. Let's imagine for a second that the resources stretched north and south, they didn’t sell anything, and now Vladivostok, Sakhalin and the mouth of the Amur River are just a short episode in the history of Russia. And the main port in the Pacific Ocean is still Okhotsk ... What has been done is done! To the point that we make a noise, from this Alaska today will not return home like another peninsula.
  17. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 24 December 2017 19: 17
    +3
    I already wrote before that they would not have sold it, it could have been taken away or it could have seceded in 1897 (the "gold rush"), 1905 (Russo-Japanese war), 1917-18, 1941, 1991. There are too many opportunities to lose it . Surely one of these possibilities would work. In general, I wonder how the Tsar managed to retain Primorye and to master it. The railroad was made almost instantly. "The rotten tsarist regime ...", and if we compare the maps of 1917 with the current ones, then the railways are almost the same.
  18. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 26 December 2017 14: 29
    +1
    It's probably better to regret not so much about the sale of Alaska, but about why this even happened. And this happened for the banal reason that many Russian passionate people could not get there to apply their skills and pens this time (far and expensive), and those who could did not want to, because it is more pleasant to build a factory near Kostroma and drive once a a year in Nice, as it was already written, how to go to master the darkness, cockroach under the polar sun .. Many colonies were developed primarily due to the fact that people from the metropolis went there - those who were either crowded in their homeland or in the power of a number of "reasons" is uncomfortable. This is how the USA developed - those who just didn’t go there, and there were not only criminals there, there were many who could not apply knowledge and talents at home, and there he hoped to realize them. This is the time.
    The second one. When the gold rush began, up to 100 000 people arrived in Alaska !!! And they were all kinds of people. If we recall the story of the Anglo-Boer War, we will see how, in order to “protect the oppressed workers of diamond copies,” Britain did not hesitate to send in its troops. And the United States declared war on Spain to protect Cuba’s “national liberation movement”. For a second - Spain still continued to be considered a "great power", of course more nominally, but still the Yankees did not stop it, as did the presence of the Dutch Boer colonists. By the way, all these events fall precisely at the junction of the 19-20 centuries, because I wouldn’t say that Russia would simply not be taken from Alaska by force.
    and by the way, today Alaska is the only subsidized state in the USA)))) the amount of subsidies is about 10 billion dollars a year.
  19. Mamka pula
    Mamka pula 26 December 2017 18: 24
    15
    Here to deal with Russian Russia ...
  20. serge siberian
    serge siberian 28 July 2018 18: 52
    0
    The rake is actually and is now relevant. The Far East is being poured by the Chinese. During the construction of the pipeline to China, Russia's ecology has many billions in losses, but Moscow denies everything. They closed all the affairs of the environmental prosecutor’s office. And there were only special FSB special forces in the 90s in China. enter. Soon and into the taiga there will be forbidden to enter our citizens.
  21. wooja
    wooja 4 August 2018 09: 39
    0
    Earth is the main resource of our time. what can I say-- they made cheaper, but nothing more, the piece turned out to be bigger than the mouth, it was necessary to bargain ..., The imperial leadership was not noticed either in patriotism or in rationality, in general I am silent ...