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Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine should "defend" against Russia: the scenario of "reconciliation"

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The end of the Ukrainian conflict, Putin "does not want," says Andreas Umland. However, despite Putin’s unwillingness to put up, reconciliation is still “possible.”




Nothing can force Moscow to change the policy: neither the Geneva Declaration of 2014 of the year, nor the Minsk Agreements of 2014 and 2015, nor the proposal for a UN peacekeeping mission in the Donbas put forward by Kiev, talks about “Putin’s lack of desire” by Andreas Umland in the publication Focus (Germany, source of translation - "InoSMI").

True, there was also Putin’s proposal for a small UN peacekeeping mission with a limited mandate to guard OSCE observers. The analyst finds this proposal as a “tactical move,” or even a “diversion maneuver.” The probability of a "propaganda stunt" is not excluded.

Umland believes that the Kremlin wins "from the sluggish war in eastern Ukraine" in domestic politics. Difficult to Europeanize Ukraine, the Kremlin eliminates the creation of an anti-model for its own system and strengthens the "stability of Russian kleptocracy." That is why not a single point of the Minsk Agreements has been fulfilled. The Kremlin "does not want to stabilize Ukraine," the author concludes.

The compromise does not depend on Kiev's attitude towards the Donbass separatists, the analyst further writes, but on the Kremlin's interest in a real solution to the Donbass problem. Moscow will be interested in a solution when "the costs of a prolonged occupation exceed the political benefits of its continuation for Putin & Co." When this happens, an agreement will be reached. The author sees the most probable "option with an interim administration and an armed UN peacekeeping mission (possibly in cooperation with the OSCE and / or the EU) in the occupied regions." A transitional administration could make demilitarization possible.

Admits the author of the article and something else. “Perhaps the wide participation of Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine in the defense of the country against Russia is the key to future reconciliation between both Eastern Slavic Orthodox peoples,” he generates the idea. “As soon as it becomes known in Russia that many Ukrainian fighters and victims of Russian military operations in eastern Ukraine are Russian-speaking or even Russian, the approval of Moscow’s“ help ”to the separatists and the actions of the Kremlin on Ukrainian territory may decrease among the Russian population, - adds the author. Well, then the Russians will just be ashamed:

"As a result of the growing awareness of the Russian population, the repentance and shame of the Russians for the Ukrainian adventures of their leadership, opportunities for step-by-step reconciliation with Ukraine will open."


In such a way, Herr Umland arranged the future of Ukraine without Russia and finally turned the Russians and Ukrainians (“Russian-speaking”) into fierce enemies openly fighting against each other. And then, as is customary in western historical science, Russia must repent for its sins. Sorry, Russia is not easy, but informed.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 19 December 2017 07: 35 New
    +7
    "Perhaps the wide participation of Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine in the defense of the country against Russia is the key to the future .. Amazing! This is the key to further escalating the conflict. They just have nowhere to go. Mostly urban residents .. Go to Russia? Do they need them here?" They themselves understand this. And in the ATO they will feed and possibly earn .. If you are lucky of course. We will better accept Kyrgyz and Tajiks with Uzbeks tens of thousands (with an unpredictable consequence)
    1. hrych
      hrych 19 December 2017 07: 40 New
      17
      Quote: 210ox
      Terrific!

      Dreams of the Baltic states when eternal
      remorse and shame of the Russians
      wassat Doesn’t it seem to you that they’re just not friends in the Westlaughing By the way, they really believe that due to the removal of our Olympians, the people in righteous anger will sweep away the regime on the eve of the elections. When they overwhelmed Bohyu Nemtsov, they also thought deeply about the righteous anger of the people, though they all neighing and wished to burn in curly hell. He also tried, by the way, to disrupt the Olympics and extorted money from Koreans wassat
      1. Sergey-svs
        Sergey-svs 19 December 2017 08: 16 New
        10
        Quote: hrych
        Doesn’t it seem to you that they’re just not friends in the West

        They haven’t been friends with their heads for a long time, and Ganjubas seems to be smoking too much, but most importantly they think that the public opinion in Russia is still formed by the liberal mourners from the “Holy 90s”! fool And in Russia, everything is already far from so clear .... lol This showed a popular outrage from the recent performance of the "conscientious boy Kolya", and how simply the GREATLY recently met Tyumen - Akhedzhakova. good

        PS Personally, it’s very painful and embarrassing for me that Russia once again took away the victory of the Americans, now in Syria. yes Forgive us America, that we wiped your nose again! tongue I cried for a long, long time ... crying I still have slosi on my eyes .... laughing laughing laughing
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 19 December 2017 08: 23 New
          +2
          The more often Kolenka from Novy Urengoy will publicly repent in the Bundestag, the more impudently they will accuse Russia and Russians, as a state forming a people, all kinds of impudent russophobic pseudo-analysts of different foreign stripes from abroad.
          1. Ragnar Lodbrok
            Ragnar Lodbrok 19 December 2017 08: 53 New
            +5
            And inside Russia we are also observing a monopolar political system! Which also gets rid of all dissenters. Hurray patriots crush those who are against the current government, who have an alternative point of view! We have a clear example of this on this resource, where the majority press thinking people with such a concept as a liberalist! Glue labels and patterns of similar stereotypes ...
            1. hrych
              hrych 19 December 2017 09: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
              Hurray patriots crush those who are against the current government

              Listen to the echo of Moscow and eat on health. Svanidze is broadcasting on Komsomolskaya Pravda; he has not even been hanged yet. Sobchakh asks questions to Putin, and Koftuns, Koreyba and Boma are regular participants in the talk show, or did it seem? And you in the west find an analogy. One unfortunate Finn let slip, and then only on Facebook
              http://www.e-news.su/uploads/posts/2017-01/148493
              1503_e-news.su_24bd66b0653525cbc2fb5fa655a6f419.j
              pg
              1. Ragnar Lodbrok
                Ragnar Lodbrok 19 December 2017 09: 18 New
                +5
                Quote: hrych
                Putin

                1. Hammerlock
                  Hammerlock 19 December 2017 09: 33 New
                  +6
                  Vali to your Valhalu! Look for any guano and it gives you a buzz.
                  And, in this photo not a damn thing is not all of Russia!
                  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
                    Ragnar Lodbrok 19 December 2017 09: 44 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Hammerlock
                    And, in this photo not a damn thing is not all of Russia!

                    All! Not in every yard and not in every microdistrict, but in every city there is such a house.
                    1. Redfox3k
                      Redfox3k 19 December 2017 14: 33 New
                      +2
                      III what's next? In almost every city in the world there is such a house. As I understand it, the anti-presidential company went into action.
                2. hrych
                  hrych 19 December 2017 09: 49 New
                  +9
                  Do you want me to show you the ruins of Detroit. Look laughing

                  There are facades and slums everywhere, but Moscow City

                  Your liberal brother, the Russian Federation, is always represented by slums, and the West is a facade, because it’s your state of mind to hate and slander the Russian and extol the West, because the people don’t believe you.
                  And here is a wise Finn
                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/polite_russia/finskii
                  -bloger-shokiroval-facebook-vot-pochemu-polmira-o
                  biazany-rossii-po-grob-jizni-5a362c1afd96b15b075f
                  ac54? utm_campaign = transit & utm_source = mirtesen
                  & utm_medium = news & from = mirtesen
                  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
                    Ragnar Lodbrok 19 December 2017 10: 01 New
                    +5
                    I do not slander Russia. I love my motherland, my motherland! I'm just saying my point. You again glue me a label - a liberal ... As I said above. Any point of view disgusts you, except yours! I hate the West no less than yours! His politics! Therefore, I do not want its likeness, the likeness of the political system, in my own country!
                    Your leaders, the democrats, divorced the oligarchy. They took away ideas from the people only by offering a pseudo idea of ​​the freedom of the people of Russia and elevated them to the rank of Tsars Putin and his retinue ...
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 19 December 2017 10: 20 New
                      +9
                      No, you are on the article about the war where Russians are being killed because they are Russians, commenting on the regime, the president and the ruling party, in the form of slums. In principle, when there is a war, either internal traitors in life or enemy agents engage in internal disassembly. Unfortunately, the Russian world has undergone external aggression, the metropolis is being strangled economically, etc., including sports, and in some places Russians are being killed. If there was peace, criticize your health. It’s war now, so either shut up or answer like an enemy. In 1942, if you had hinted against the leadership, even if it was not always right, you would rightly have been immediately disposed of. Now the situation is close, though the regime is still liberal with pests.
                    2. sheridans
                      sheridans 19 December 2017 15: 14 New
                      +1
                      Idle, you, my friend (in the sense of verbiage).
                3. Redfox3k
                  Redfox3k 19 December 2017 14: 31 New
                  +2
                  As if no one lives in this house and in general it is demolished. Fake. Photo toad.
        2. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 19 December 2017 10: 39 New
          +3
          remorse and shame
          I wonder where the miserable geek generally knows such words? In the vocabulary of Western countries, these concepts are absent!
      2. Prima
        Prima 20 December 2017 12: 52 New
        +2
        And you did not notice one feature. Previously, this conference was always held on a blue background, and this year on an orange. Does this mean anything to you? Who, interestingly pushed this background and hinted at the coup? And Peskov did not let journalists from the backwoods ask Putin a question. Putin even pointed him out. And the media - look how they substitute Putin, and with a trip to the OI, because from all screens there is only one version, you have to go, and where is the other? And 23 candidates for elections, when so many were? But the goal is one, to take away votes from Putin, and then recognize the elections as invalid and push through the pro-Western. What's next? coup, revolution and war. Does anyone think about this? The elite went against the President, but she does not think that times have changed, the United States is not the same. Are they ready to die? .
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 19 December 2017 08: 25 New
      +6
      "As a result of the growing awareness of the Russian population, the repentance and shame of the Russians for the Ukrainian adventures of their leadership, opportunities for step-by-step reconciliation with Ukraine will open."

      Yeah, Russia should pay and repent, with cheeks red with shame, should kneel and repent, repent and pay.

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      2. PalBor
        PalBor 19 December 2017 08: 46 New
        +4
        Well, what? Our officials already pay and repent for the Olympic humiliation without asking us.
        I also showed them the fig on December 5, then I realized that I was showing myself.
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 19 December 2017 08: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: PalBor
          Well, what? Our officials already pay and repent for the Olympic humiliation without asking us.
          I also showed them the fig on December 5, then I realized that I was showing myself.

          And our bureaucrats Pavel is not Russia hi They are on their own, Russia is on its own. hi
    3. Shironay
      Shironay 19 December 2017 09: 38 New
      +2


      Here is a sad photo illustration of the current situation. That would make my head hurt if I were Russian.
      1. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 19 December 2017 10: 16 New
        +2
        In the photo is Moscow or Siberia?
        And then I can look for photos of FoxNews about the "riots in Moscow" with palm trees on the streets.
        1. Kondratko
          Kondratko 19 December 2017 12: 37 New
          0
          "In the photo Moscow or Siberia?"
          Troll us_at, what kind of picture, the main inscription under it is in Russian. This is floating @ how is he in ice hole On the Internet and on going to every Russian-language resource, it leaves its bold vyser in the form of a "penetrating" demotivator, however, it doesn’t see a single Cyrillic inscription in the photo, it’s possible that the photo was taken right under its window, but it doesn’t give a damn, the main thing is to “put off the larva” ...
      2. Kondratko
        Kondratko 19 December 2017 12: 42 New
        0
        Hey, fuck, Shyr'kaktebyatam'na_y, Siberia is a Chinese safsem, yours has been there for a long time. In what garbage can you find these ancient demotivators?
      3. seos
        seos 20 December 2017 01: 49 New
        0
        Dear, compare the DNA of purebred Jews and the DNA of Arabs, whom you love to destroy, so then your head will hurt all the time ....
      4. Prima
        Prima 20 December 2017 12: 55 New
        +1
        That’s because it’s not Russian, therefore you don’t understand that Russia is a multinational state. So strong. And stick this picture to yourself, a provocateur.
  2. starogil
    starogil 19 December 2017 07: 41 New
    +1
    "Andreas Umland in the publication Focus
    Foal, from under the gray gelding, utterly ...
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  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 19 December 2017 07: 42 New
    +5
    Our authorities lost the battle for the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, leaving this population without information support during the Maidan. So it doesn’t matter what the journalist writes, we were silent when it was necessary to remember that so were our compatriots, and as a result, the reform war was lost by our authorities with shame - the people there convinced that Russia was in their troubles, and the Russian authorities, when needed speak with their people vna ukroine prefer to remain silent! !!
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 19 December 2017 07: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Our authorities lost the battle for the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, leaving this population without information support during the Maidan.

      And how was it supposed to be? I would like more detail, instead of pre-election slogans. How do you think it should be? Only real, not "It was necessary to send the GRU special forces, to take out, shoot ..."
    2. hrych
      hrych 19 December 2017 07: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The Russian authorities, when it was necessary to speak with their people to the Ukroin, preferred to remain silent!

      Yes, they said more than once, that’s true a kind of listener wassat
    3. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 19 December 2017 10: 09 New
      +2
      Russia did not lose the battle on the Maidan. Russia only allowed America to carry out a coup. The revolution was not carried out by the discontented mass of the Yanukovych regime, but by the lamented “activists” and all kinds of marginals with a dope in the head. And it’s a great blessing for Russia to observe this Sabbath from the side and learn from this. Over time, everything will calm down by itself. The time will come and they will drive away all abomination or give on the head. But what in no case should be allowed to be left without the support of the Donbass. And yes, for the most part no one considers Russia guilty of all troubles, just talk with people from Ukraine itself and not with trolls from the censor and similar resources.
  4. AST507
    AST507 19 December 2017 07: 47 New
    +5
    The Kremlin "does not want to stabilize Ukraine," ........ It turns out that there is only one peace-loving West, supplying military equipment, equipment, instructors, and directly craving peace and tranquility in Ukraine ....
  5. Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 December 2017 07: 48 New
    +1
    Everything is so Without UMland said it ...
  6. AVGUST
    AVGUST 19 December 2017 07: 56 New
    0
    Respond to such pearls, do not respect ourselves, we will be above this nonsense ......
    1. seos
      seos 20 December 2017 01: 53 New
      0
      It's not the answer, but in the memory, in the 80s-90s we forgot what shit we were dealing with and weighed our country ....
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 19 December 2017 08: 00 New
    +1
    Moscow will be interested in a solution when "the costs of a prolonged occupation exceed the political benefits of its continuation for Putin & Co."
    So to speak what ... key phrase ...
    in other words, RUSSIA should bear all the costs of this conflict ...
    hehe how it looks like the Olympic persecution of RUSSIA ... there, too, our country must pay for its persecution.
    I hope the Kremlin understands that all this should be absolutely the opposite ... all the costs should be borne by our opponents in a multiple size is desirable.
  8. ImPerts
    ImPerts 19 December 2017 08: 05 New
    0
    Some incomprehensible author.
    If it appeared in 2014, it would be clear. And now...
    Was the author sober enough? Decided to earn extra money quickly?
  9. Fedorov
    Fedorov 19 December 2017 08: 13 New
    +1
    Oleg, how so? Comment on each “her. A”? But here we have a serious program. It’s a pity that you don’t know Chinese, I present Your reviews .. wink
  10. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 19 December 2017 08: 20 New
    0
    another ekspert with a swastika on the sleeve
  11. planetauuu.com
    planetauuu.com 19 December 2017 08: 20 New
    +3
    1. Minsk agreements are disadvantageous for Ukraine
    2. Putin will never fulfill them
    3. 3a Russia must be strictly punished.
    This is the essence of the article, which may be of interest only to the doctors treating the author.
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 December 2017 08: 31 New
    0
    Therefore, not a single clause of the Minsk agreements has been implemented. The Kremlin “does not want to stabilize Ukraine,” the author concludes.
    ... how many more of these "authors" are there? ... along the way, as soon as I learned to write - immediately a Russophobic article ... angry
  13. zyzx
    zyzx 19 December 2017 08: 43 New
    0
    Not the West will not understand us, never. And that means not to win.
  14. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 19 December 2017 08: 46 New
    0
    I was ashamed to repent of being informed.
  15. Nemesis
    Nemesis 19 December 2017 09: 11 New
    0
    ALL of your Ukraine on the map of 1654, in other territories you are invaders ...
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 December 2017 16: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Nemesis
      ALL of your Ukraine on the map of 1654, in other territories you are invaders ...

      in territories outside the Hetman region, then you have to kill millions of Ukrainians?
      Many generations calling themselves Ukrainians have changed. To restart the wheel of history, we need again the generations and efforts of the center and a lot of "undemocratic" ... winked
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 19 December 2017 16: 16 New
        +1
        No need to kill anyone, they themselves will leave. It is enough to adopt a law on citizenship in Russia corresponding to that in Nepal and Saudi Arabia, and for terrorism to introduce the death penalty with confiscation of property, for terrorists and their accomplices (assistants)
  16. BLADFROST
    BLADFROST 19 December 2017 09: 14 New
    0
    Barely read this "Andreas nonsense"! This is where the thoughts of the etgo pseudo-world fly ?! Probably his life is so cloudless that it carries nonsense at the level of comics! How much this propaganda is saturated with lies and indifference to people who just want to live peacefully, without Nazi overseers! Ukraine will fall apart and become what it was 200 years ago! And this process is going on! Donbass is already torn off forever! And it will be Russian land!
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 December 2017 16: 15 New
      0
      Quote: BLADFROST
      Ukraine will fall apart and become what it was 200 years ago!

      Such Ukraine is beneficial to the Russian Federation, who else can be poked and say = do you want in Ukraine? Do you want maidan?
      Could collapse in 2014 .. the country lay. Not for this, Moscow and American partners poured billions to ruin.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 December 2017 10: 05 New
    0
    ... remorse and shame ...
    Who, apart from the Russians, is simply obliged to feel shame and strive for repentance? No one? And in my opinion there is even a very large number of nationalities and nations: the same Germans, French, Americans, Poles with balts, and of course the so-called "right" Ukrainians. Therefore, Herr Umland should not wishful thinking and trump his Russophobia. Sometimes you regret that at a certain period they did not finish to the end and did not root out the Nazis and their accomplices in Eastern Europe. How many less would be the freaks who hate Russia.
  18. Eurodav
    Eurodav 19 December 2017 10: 12 New
    0
    It’s already boring to read all these NEUmlands. No knowledge of the issue, no knowledge in history ... just some kind of fictional nonsense, sucked from a finger ... Did he even get a chocolate bar from the owners for this scribble?
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 December 2017 12: 42 New
    0
    Yes, we need this under-state to weaken to the maximum.
    Whatever it would be capable of in the future,
    rather than yapping out from under the fence.
  20. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 19 December 2017 12: 56 New
    +4
    Andreas Umland just imbecile. He sits in his well-fed Europe, and does not even imagine what is happening with us. Dreamer.