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American Dragon successfully arrived on the ISS

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Dragon cargo spacecraft arrived at the International Space Station at the estimated time, the crew successfully seized the ship and proceeded to dock with the station, reports RIA News NASA message.




NASA astronauts Mark Vande Hai and Joseph Aqaba seized the cargo ship with a mechanical manipulator at 13.58 Moscow time. This operation was broadcast live on the website of the space agency.

“The Falcon 9 launch vehicle with the Dragon spacecraft was launched from Cape Canaveral on Friday. After the staffing department, the first stage made a vertical landing not far from the place of its launch, becoming the 20-th saved after the launch of the first stage, ”the message says.

For the first time, NASA specialists used the first stage of the Falcon 9, which was already flying in June of the current year and saved after launch, for shipment to the ISS.

The truck delivered tons of cargo to the orbital station around 2,5. It consists of basic necessities, food and materials for scientific, this time, above all, biological experiments.

It is reported that the ship will remain at the station for about a month, “after which it will return to Earth with waste materials and payload”. To date, Dragon is the only cargo ship capable of delivering cargo both to the ISS and from the station to Earth.
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  1. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 December 2017 16: 57 New
    14
    It's a shame, the Americans are ahead again, and even their reentry vehicles are reusable, something our "effective managers" are not doing the same!
    1. hrych
      hrych 17 December 2017 17: 02 New
      21
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      the Americans are ahead again

      And the crew landed in the Union, a new one flew in the Union wassat Reusability - capitalist greed, for which 14 astranauts have already paid with their lives am
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 17 December 2017 17: 07 New
        21
        "trampoline" -Rogozin as a gift?
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 17 December 2017 18: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: Dead Day
          "trampoline" -Rogozin as a gift?


          As far as I remember, Rogozin mentioned a trampoline in the sense of delivery of astronauts

          Now, I think, it’s not far to the astronauts, they’ll test it many times, it will be possible to deliver astronauts if there is enough carrying capacity

          In fact, it always has been
          First, some rush forward, then others
          It is important that we do not lag far behind, and even better - come up with something that no one has.

          The Chinese are breathing in the back and not only
          1. Igor V
            Igor V 17 December 2017 20: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: bulvas



            Now, I think, it’s not far to the astronauts, they’ll test it many times, it will be possible to deliver astronauts if there is enough carrying capacity

            The Chinese are breathing in the back and not only

            If these cosmonauts learn not to breathe and not to cope with their natural needs, then again they will have to turn to Russia for help.
            By the way, for reference, 47 years ago, the Soviet space station Luna-16 delivered soil from the Moon to Earth. So what is the Dragon's breakthrough, if more complex operations .. were carried out half a century ago?
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth 18 December 2017 01: 07 New
              +2
              That he is cheap
              Quote: Igor V
              So what's the Dragon's breakthrough
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 17 December 2017 23: 36 New
            +5
            Quote: bulvas
            In fact, it always has been
            First, some rush forward, then others

            And it has always been that the former leaders will forever become outsiders: Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, etc. ...
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 18 December 2017 00: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              Quote: bulvas
              In fact, it always has been
              First, some rush forward, then others

              And it has always been that the former leaders will forever become outsiders: Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, etc. ...


              As will be - see.

              Or do not see

            2. Scalpel
              Scalpel 18 December 2017 12: 54 New
              0
              There is a European Space Agency, the French have their own rockets - not everything is so bad with them.
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 18: 35 New
                0
                Quote: Scalpel
                There is a European Space Agency, the French have their own rockets - not everything is so bad with them.

                North Korea also has missiles ... We are talking about leadership ...
          3. Mih1974
            Mih1974 18 December 2017 20: 07 New
            +2
            People on IT? belay negative Are you out of your mind? This glove does not have a rescue system on the stratum as on unions (and once it saved the crew for us), the rocket refueling immediately with a payload, that is, with people, and if European Championship - all this takes off with people. There is no mooring system - if something goes wrong - the passengers are dead. Well, you know, I would not dare to fly on such crap. lol tongue
      2. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 17 December 2017 17: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: hrych

        And the crew landed in the Union, a new one flew in the Union wassat Reusability - capitalist greed, for which 14 astranauts have already paid with their lives am


        It must be remembered that NASA has a contract with Roscosmos for the delivery of astronauts. But when the contract ends, will they renew it? or SpaceX will take over the delivery of the crew (plans, at least NASA and SpaceX have such a fad).
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 December 2017 17: 13 New
          +3
          KOROLEV / Moscow Region /, May 24. / TASS /. NASA does not plan to enter into a new contract with Russia for the delivery of American astronauts to the ISS after 2018, since astronauts and astronauts will be able to fly to the ISS on American and Russian ships offsets. This was announced on Tuesday by the deputy head of NASA for manned programs, William Gerstenmeyer.

          “Indeed, we have a contract until 2018. After 2018, there is no contract,” he said.

          He recalled that to date, two companies in the United States are creating their own spacecraft to deliver astronauts to the ISS.
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 18 December 2017 20: 10 New
            +1
            Why should they buy seats for 2018 if they have already "bought" Boeing for them? tongue But by 19, neither the Boeing nor the Space Hu would start working and their boats would not allow people to be transported, only NASA would crawl on its lap. tongue
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 17 December 2017 17: 26 New
          +6
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          . But when the contract ends, will they renew it?

          And you do not guess so defiantly, have already renegotiated.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 17 December 2017 17: 33 New
            0
            When did you re-sign?
          2. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 17 December 2017 17: 38 New
            0
            Quote: sogdy

            And you do not guess so defiantly, have already renegotiated.


            Honestly, I have not seen the news. I join the BlackMokona question when they re-signed and how much?
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 18 December 2017 15: 02 New
              0
              Two weeks ago until 2022. Plus a procurement contract.
              1. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 18 December 2017 15: 40 New
                0
                Quote: sogdy
                Two weeks ago until 2022. Plus a procurement contract.


                Is there a link to the source? the search engine is silent, and NASA does not plan to renew the contract after 2018, but the previous contract until 2019.
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 18 December 2017 15: 43 New
                  0
                  At TASS. And search engines have long been silent about many things.
                  1. Aleksandr21
                    Aleksandr21 18 December 2017 15: 51 New
                    0
                    FIG knows him, I take my word for it. I would like to read, of course, but neither TASS nor other news agencies for keywords: NASA, Roscosmos 2022 give out anything, that in a normal search, that in the news.
        3. Letun
          Letun 18 December 2017 06: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          It must be remembered that NASA has a contract with Roscosmos for the delivery of astronauts. But when the contract ends, will they renew it? or SpaceX will take over the delivery of the crew (plans, at least NASA and SpaceX have such a fad).

          They have officially announced that they will not. And the contract ends, in my opinion in 2019. Now, after the 19th, we’ll see what the idiots from the sofas will be talking about ...
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 18 December 2017 15: 02 New
            0
            NASA or another senator?
      3. Strips
        Strips 17 December 2017 17: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        And the crew landed in the Union, a new one flew in the Union



        CST-100 Star line and Dragon V2 will fly in a couple of years
        1. hrych
          hrych 17 December 2017 17: 30 New
          23
          Quote: Tiras
          They’ll fly in a couple of years

          And in a couple of years they will again land on the moon laughing Kubrick died will be Ridley Scott, the producer will be Harvey Weinstein’s poignant evil. Let’s in fact, how they will catch up with us then and praise for the future is not known, but for now the Russians will pay for the fare and study with the Russians smile By the way, the Union and Progress have automatic docking, and the lousy Dragon must be caught with a fishing rod laughing
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 December 2017 17: 54 New
            20
            "Let’s in fact, how they will catch up with us then and praise" ////

            If "in fact", then long ago caught up, but if ... in the heat
            passions, then Russia is far ahead.
            Space X made the 17th launch this year - all successful.
            Last year was 8.
            1. hrych
              hrych 17 December 2017 17: 56 New
              11
              Quote: voyaka uh
              then caught up long ago

              There will be a manned flight then and indulge laughingThey are not with us, but with the Tuikunauts, and they are ahead
              Quote: voyaka uh
              all successful

              Of course of course wassat Jewish companions do not count laughing
              [media = Quote:% 20voyaka uh% 20all% 20successful]
              1. Professor
                Professor 17 December 2017 18: 03 New
                35
                Quote: hrych
                There will be a manned flight then and indulge

                Then he will make his engine and then indulge.
                That will launch a rocket into space then and indulge
                Then he will put the first step on a floating platform and then indulge.
                That will launch a spaceship then and indulge
                Then he will return the spaceship and then indulge.
                Here it will launch the same time a second time and then indulge.

                While you balak people explore space. fellow
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 17 December 2017 18: 13 New
                  13
                  Quote: Professor
                  While you balak people explore space.



                  You mess, dear professor

                  Not even a year had passed before the Americans began to manage to get into space on their own and not yet completely, but only cargo

                  We, too, do not stand still, and certainly do not "indulge"


                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 20 New
                    +1
                    Google about the Delta-4 launch vehicle
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 17 December 2017 19: 04 New
                    15
                    Quote: bulvas
                    You mess, dear professor
                    Not even a year had passed before the Americans began to manage to get into space on their own and not yet completely, but only cargo
                    We, too, do not stand still, and certainly do not "indulge"

                    We all play here. The Americans did not stop to independently go out into space (hello Rogozin). I watched the Dragon launch live. There, the project manager announced the list of orders for 2018. On launch almost every week. Here you have a trampoline.

                    Quote: hrych
                    And then the Israelis and America? Why are you proud of others? Not your own?

                    There is one for your own purposes. we do not use your services. And I am proud of technical progress no matter who it is. Confident of success Mask.

                    Quote: hrych
                    Secondly, we do not indulge, but we miss the Japanese, Americans, etc. into orbit.

                    While dragging. In the cargo sector, Mask is no longer in competition. Soon, the manned will also not be.

                    Quote: hrych
                    We also deployed a satellite-based positioning, guidance and tracking network to get right into the Professor’s house, at least bring ice cream on time

                    Not so long ago, your satellites have been deployed in orbit so far less than the bourgeois ones, but I am personally pleased. I have both GPS and Glonas in my watch. By the way, you deployed satellites, but your receivers learned how to do it. Thanks to Quelcom, otherwise nobody would know about Glonass.

                    Quote: hrych
                    Humble Shavit, only one-way martyr can run

                    We have enough. We make satellites ourselves (and even sell them to other bourgeois) and when we need them we get them. But this is not about us, but about the Mask. Well done, he is from all sides. good
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 17 December 2017 19: 32 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Professor
                      Quote: grunt Secondly, we do not indulge, but weep the Japanese, Americans, etc. into orbit. While dragging. In the cargo sector, Mask is no longer in competition. Soon, the manned will also not be.
                      ....
                      We all play here.


                      Professor, you have already given so many predictions and in each we should have disappeared for a long time and we should have been punished and Ukraine should already have begun to flourish

                      So, stop messing around

                      Competition is a specific thing, today it is not there, and tomorrow it is necessary to catch up.
                      Nobody stands still, and our country is working for itself and does not stop in development, but is accelerating in something

                      And Musk is well done, certainly, but he is not the only one
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 18 December 2017 12: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: bulvas
                        Professor, you have already given so many predictions and in each we should have disappeared for a long time and we should have been punished and Ukraine should already have begun to flourish

                        Give a link to at least one such forecast of mine. You are clearly confusing me with someone.

                        Quote: bulvas
                        So, stop messing around
                        Competition is a specific thing, today it is not there, and tomorrow it is necessary to catch up.
                        Nobody stands still, and our country is working for itself and does not stop in development, but is accelerating in something
                        And Musk is well done, certainly, but he is not the only one

                        Mask is fortunately not the only one. Jeff Bezos steps on his heels.


                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        Yah! Any plate, now, in two systems works. I’m telling you this as a surveyor. And most are in GPS, GLONASS, Beidou, Galileo, SBAS!
                        So about "your receivers" you froze some nonsense ...

                        Stupidity? Here is your receiver. The size of a brick:

                        But the bourgeois receiver Glonas and GPS. Two in one.


                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        This data is only for Tesla ...

                        And what is the place of Tesla connected with SpaceIs? request

                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        On the other hand, about SpaceX ... A private company on government orders ... I can imagine what kind of cut it was ...

                        Private company. Sawing their own. fellow
                    2. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 17 December 2017 23: 51 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      By the way, you deployed satellites, but your receivers learned how to do it. Thanks to Quelcom, otherwise nobody would know about Glonass.

                      Yah! Any plate, now, in two systems works. I’m telling you this as a surveyor. And most are in GPS, GLONASS, Beidou, Galileo, SBAS!
                      So about "your receivers" you froze some nonsense ...
                    3. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 17 December 2017 23: 56 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Professor
                      But this is not about us, but about the Mask. Well done, he is from all sides.

                      And this Jew says:

                      lol
                      Threat. This data is only for Tesla ...
                      In the third quarter of 2017, the company reported a loss of $ 671 million.
                      On the other hand, about SpaceX ... A private company on government orders ... I can imagine what kind of cut it was ...
                      Really well done!
                      1. forty-eighth
                        forty-eighth 18 December 2017 01: 24 New
                        +7
                        What makes me happy with such couch experts is that like talking about American treasuries, they are ready to explain to everyone and everyone how much it is more profitable to invest in our industry, that they are ready to lay out a business plan and an economic justification. But at the mention of Tesla, they completely discourage the memory of the life cycle of the enterprise.
                        Surprise, surprise: Tesla is in the investment phase, it is increasing volumes and capacities, the company does not have a goal to generate a cache at this stage, hello!
                        And for a snack the number of sold Model S and model X quarterly
                      2. Mih1974
                        Mih1974 18 December 2017 20: 22 New
                        +2
                        And add such "market" pimenta as - "giving" the Mask and engineers, and specialists and laboratories with test sites and production from NASA. And what is so strange - Patents !!! belay for a country in which they nearly registered the rights to "rectangular devices" belay am it seems unthinkable "this can never be, because it cannot be." So this is such a "private, private" company that no words.
                    4. sogdy
                      sogdy 18 December 2017 15: 24 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      I watched the Dragon launch live. There, the project manager announced the list of orders for 2018. On launch almost every week. Here you have a trampoline.

                      Israel also launches satellites. Up to 140 km. We call it geodetic probes. Geologists run themselves.
                      Here about such "launches" was discussed. If cho, the Americans have "space" with 100 km, we have after 300 km.
                      The difference in the lifespan, and, accordingly, in the weight of the devices. The load at startup is also different, which further increases the weight of the launched device (satellite). And, as it should be self-evident, a completely different electrician and electronics than the devices launched below the ion layer.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 18 December 2017 18: 30 New
                        0
                        Quote: sogdy
                        Israel also launches satellites. Up to 140 km. We call it geodetic probes. Geologists run themselves.

                        Come on. Perigee Ofeka 5 km, the climax of 369 km.

                        Quote: sogdy
                        Here about such "launches" was discussed. If cho, the Americans have "space" with 100 km, we have after 300 km.
                        The difference in the lifespan, and, accordingly, in the weight of the devices. The load at startup is also different, which further increases the weight of the launched device (satellite). And, as it should be self-evident, a completely different electrician and electronics than the devices launched below the ion layer.

                        The altitude of the bourgeois Navstar is 20191 km, Cosmos 2501 19089-19171 km. Well, who flies higher?
                        However, the service life of the bourgeoisie is higher.
                  3. AllXVahhaB
                    AllXVahhaB 17 December 2017 23: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: bulvas
                    We, too, do not stand still, and certainly do not "indulge"

                    Achievements in the studio! And then I, like that, except periodically falling missiles, I don’t see anything special. And, well, yes, the cosmodrome finally got bogged down ...
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 18 December 2017 00: 56 New
                      +1
                      Quote: AllXVahhaB
                      Quote: bulvas
                      We, too, do not stand still, and certainly do not "indulge"

                      Achievements in the studio! And then I, like that, except periodically falling missiles, I don’t see anything special. And, well, yes, the cosmodrome finally got bogged down ...


                      First grow to Yakubovich, then you will command.
                      In the meantime, look for yourself.
                      1. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 18: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: bulvas
                        In the meantime, look for yourself.

                        That is, are these achievements that you need to look for them? Dismiss Achievements, they are the achievements that everyone has in mind! Type: Sputnik, Squirrel and Strelka, Gagarin, Leonov ... They did not need to be searched and "google" - the whole World was in the know!
                    2. Young_Communist
                      Young_Communist 18 December 2017 01: 07 New
                      +7
                      Quote: AllXVahhaB
                      Achievements in the studio!



                      1. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 18: 54 New
                        0
                        Something for three floors is a modest space ... Who is the demotivator concocted? Has he ever had such premises?
                2. hrych
                  hrych 17 December 2017 18: 20 New
                  +9
                  And then the Israelis and America? Why are you proud of others? Not your own? wassat Secondly, we do not indulge, but we miss the Japanese, Americans, etc. into orbit. We also deployed a satellite-based positioning, guidance and tracking network to get exactly into the Professor’s house wassat at least bring ice cream on time laughing We are building cosmodromes, building the Angara, helping the Chinese take their first steps. When will we finally wait for the first Jewish launch vehicle with the Jewish glider or the Star (Mogen David) of Death wassat or she will be blown up by the Jedi Luke ̶Sh̶i̶k̶l̶y̶g̶r̶u̶b̶e̶r̶ Skywalker wassat
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 23 New
                    +4
                    Jews for a long time in space satellites of their own design bullet on their LV
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 17 December 2017 18: 35 New
                      +4
                      Humble Shavit, only one-way martyr can run laughing
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 42 New
                        +1
                        Oh enlightened a little, congratulations.
                      2. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 17 December 2017 18: 50 New
                        19
                        Well, turn 19 satellites into submarines in one launch with us
                        not yet succeeded. We are just learning ... recourse
                    2. hrych
                      hrych 17 December 2017 18: 52 New
                      +6
                      This applies to you. laughing
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      Can you read?

                      I’m talking about space stations, not hundred-kilogram satellites, Iran launched these, and North Korea laughing Any ICBM will do better here. laughing
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 17 December 2017 19: 05 New
                        0
                        When will we finally wait for the first Jewish launch vehicle

                        The same
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 17 December 2017 19: 35 New
                      +2
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      The same

                      Was the punctuation mark?
                      Quote: hrych
                      wait for the first Jewish launch vehicle with jewish glider

                      Glider - shuttle, star fighter, etc. wassat coupled with the Death Star, of course there was only a joke laughing For some reason you got nervous. One way or another, a manned flight to Falcon is far away, and even more so on reused units - a way to destroy astronauts am
                3. sabakina
                  sabakina 17 December 2017 19: 58 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Professor
                  While you balak people explore space. fellow

                  Professor, and who told you that we are not mastering the parallel universe? AND?...
                4. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 18 December 2017 03: 16 New
                  +1
                  Jews ahead of the rest
                5. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 18 December 2017 20: 19 New
                  +2
                  And they also had a "unparalleled in the World" and the most "democratic" reusable "shuttle" - and are they now? tongue Oh - two out of five were killed by ditching 12 star-bombers, and the rest wrote off “shuttle 2.0” for some reason, why not see it? And to see - a miserable semblance of the Union. tongue . Yes, your dragon can’t even dock tongue his "for scruff of the neck and Kukan" accounts for. but the manipulator breaks down - will you do it? fool
            2. Non liberoid Russian
              Non liberoid Russian 17 December 2017 18: 01 New
              +7
              not tired of licking hosts in every comment? I would write right away - Glory to Americano and the point ...
            3. hrych
              hrych 17 December 2017 18: 07 New
              +7
              Quote: voyaka uh
              all successful

              Extremely successful
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 11 New
                +3
                This year, all successful, know how to read?
                1. hrych
                  hrych 17 December 2017 18: 41 New
                  +5
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  This year, all successful, know how to read?

                  Yes, calm down already, wonderful Falcon wassat

                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 43 New
                    +2
                    Accident lower than that of Proton
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 17 December 2017 19: 14 New
                      +7
                      404 launches and 49 failures at Proton-K / M, 50 launches of Falcon-1/9 and 6 unsuccessful. The accident rate is the same, 12%, but Proton has everything behind, and Falcon has everything ahead wassat
          2. In100gram
            In100gram 17 December 2017 20: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: hrych
            By the way, the Union and Progress have automatic docking, and the lousy Dragon must be caught with a fishing rod

            And there will be someday that they will not be caught
      4. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 17 December 2017 23: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        And the crew landed in the Union, a new one flew in the Union Reusability - capitalist greed, for which 14 astronauts had already paid with their lives

        These Unions developed under the Union! Where are the modern developments? As for greed, they heard the slogan: "the economy must be economical"? Or too young?
      5. Lycan
        Lycan 18 December 2017 09: 27 New
        0
        Quote: hrych
        Reusability - capitalist greed,

        Although on the other hand - with proper debugging - IMHO:
        a) can also save resources ... for example, strategic "stocks of the first stages" smile
        b) it’s still worthwhile to carefully consider the aforementioned “delivery of cargo from the ISS to the ground”. In the future, for sure (and not "maybe") a transport connection with the orbit (and not only with it) will be formed. I think there is no need to laugh at the United States. Behind this is the future of passenger and freight traffic with space. settlements.
        PS: And astronauts have a bright memory.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 17 December 2017 17: 12 New
      10
      Quote: polkovnik manuc
      It's a shame, the Americans are ahead again, and even their reentry vehicles are reusable, something our "effective managers" are not doing the same!

      Not a fig is not offensive. Their Dragon was supposed to deliver pindonafts, just a year later, it didn’t work, and they use a backward holder, for it’s 75 megabytes for a pind place hi
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 17 December 2017 17: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: Tusv

        Not a fig is not offensive. Their Dragon was supposed to deliver pindonafts, just a year later, it didn’t work, and they use a backward holder, for it’s 75 megabytes for a pind place hi


        Optimism is not justified in any way, I would also be happy with you for ours, but judging by the latest news, there’s nothing. SpaceX is now successfully delivering cargoes to the ISS, in 2018 it is planned to deliver the crew to the ISS, and in general, it’s as if ours will not be left without space pilots at all, the ISS will be closed in 11-20 years, and during the construction of a new space station, will we find a place? Yes, and NASA will now have good financing under the lunar program, and on Mars they also have well-funded projects, landing on the Moon, Mars (in the distant future) have good chances of success. But at Roskosmos with tight financing .... and without money, the prospects are not very bright.
        1. slipped
          slipped 17 December 2017 21: 37 New
          +3
          Pessimism is not justified in any way, in vain you are not happy for ours, judging by the latest news, we successfully launched to the ISS. SpaceX is now launching cargo on the ISS at a price of $ 89 per kilogram, which follows from NASA, and plans to make a profit in the distant future. The ISS should be drowned in 000, since all the warranty periods for its old modules have expired, but there are hotheads who want their casino in orbit, "with blackjack and whores." Therefore, Boeing asked Roscosmos to develop a hermetic adapter for the American segment, so as not to drown him, after undocking from the Russian one. Yes, and NASA has a preliminary agreement with Roscosmos to create a joint Deep Space Gateway. Moreover, our module for this station was registered in the budget as specialized and money will be allocated for its development.
          1. MadCat
            MadCat 18 December 2017 04: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: slipped
            Pessimism is not justified in any way, in vain you are not happy for ours, judging by the latest news, we successfully launched to the ISS.

            Roscosmos completely on state support managed to pump contracts for cargo launches, drop a bunch of satellites, NO ONE The research project was not completed successfully. A lot of optimism, just like Rogozin’s trampolines.
            1. slipped
              slipped 18 December 2017 16: 59 New
              +1
              all contracts for "cargo" launches are in force, satellites drop other states and private owners, on "research" projects, too, lies, let's give specifics ... but do not go in a chatter
              1. MadCat
                MadCat 18 December 2017 18: 32 New
                0
                Quote: slipped
                all contracts for "cargo" launches are in force, satellites drop other states and private owners, on "research" projects, too, lies, let's give specifics ... but do not go in a chatter

                what specifics will you give? Tell us about waterlogged satellites and interplanetary research programs that ditched all to one? Or that in the “successful” Roscosmos they promised, as always, to “catch up and overtake” the Mask? fellow
                Speaking of shipping to the ISS, NASA has not yet renewed the contract ....
                1. slipped
                  slipped 20 December 2017 01: 14 New
                  0
                  or maybe it’s better to talk about 447 successful launches since 2000? Tell us about the work of the constellation of remote sensing satellites? As soon as from the beginning of this year, more than 8,5 thousand images of thermal points were taken by the space monitoring system, and thanks to this it was possible to identify almost 90 thousand thermal anomalies that posed a real threat to 14 thousand settlements? Or the work of creating a long-lived planetary station on Mars? Or a whole series of Luna stations that will be launched almost annually very soon?

                  And why should we catch up with the Mask if he himself did not catch us at the price per kg ?!

                  Speaking of transportation, do you know how many space tourists stand in line for flight?
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 17 December 2017 22: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Aleksandr2
          Optimism is not justified in any way, I would also be happy with you for ours, but judging by the latest news, there’s nothing
          .
          That's when Says X delivers into orbit, even if only one pindonaft, I will shed tears in three streams negative
          1. passerby5
            passerby5 18 December 2017 06: 59 New
            0
            those in your opinion — will there be a day — will there be food? and how it will not, and we will remain in such a big J. All the same, we need to work before, rather than playing catch-up. they’re used to: whatever we treat, but we will provide
        3. asiat_61
          asiat_61 18 December 2017 03: 19 New
          +1
          About the moon smiled.
    3. slipped
      slipped 17 December 2017 21: 28 New
      +2
      a simple question - what should be returned so heavy with the ISS?
      1. passerby5
        passerby5 18 December 2017 07: 00 New
        +1
        so it’s how many of them there, they eat, you know, they’re shitting))))
    4. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 17 December 2017 23: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      the Americans are ahead again and even their reentry vehicles are reusable

      The descent vehicles they have are ONE-time.
      Reusable first steps. The declared sense is to return the first stage and, as a consequence, to increase the launch cost and reduce the maximum output mass - saving powerful engines that the Yankees are in short supply.
    5. asiat_61
      asiat_61 18 December 2017 03: 12 New
      +2
      An iron barrel flew up, which needed to be manipulated, manually docked. Great victory.
    6. alekc75
      alekc75 18 December 2017 11: 21 New
      +2
      you didn’t hear our “progress” ??? he knows how to deliver the goods and lower the necessary materials back
      1. slipped
        slipped 18 December 2017 17: 03 New
        0
        He can’t let anyone down, because there’s nothing. Previously, a special Rainbow capsule was developed for him, but it was made for a specific program and is now not used. If you need to lower something like that, you can always use the special modification “Soyuz MS” in a cargo-returning version.
  2. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 17 December 2017 17: 11 New
    +1
    Forgot to indicate that Dragon is also used
  3. Altona
    Altona 17 December 2017 17: 12 New
    +4
    Quote: polkovnik manuch
    It's a shame, the Americans are ahead again, and even their reentry vehicles are reusable

    ---------------------------
    Falcon 9 so far conditionally reusable device. According to Mask himself, the real benefit so far is only 10% of the estimated.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 17 December 2017 17: 17 New
      +3
      There is already a question of politics. It will be necessary, they will print more pieces of paper.
      Although, they are doing well. In fact, we carry Americans for free. The money that they pay us, Dimon distills back to the United States. Russia does not have a cent from this. So it’s not yet known whether we are paying extra ourselves, for the sake of international show-offs?
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 December 2017 17: 20 New
      +4
      According to Mask, the benefit was significantly more than 50%, but the discount to customers is only 10% so far. Since SpaceX has a huge queue of orders.
      1. SEER
        SEER 17 December 2017 17: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: BlackMokona
        According to Mask the benefit was much more than 50%, but the discount to customers is only 10% so far. Since SpaceX has a huge queue of orders.

        here in this place and the dog rummaged. and about 50% of the profits on such a project, etc. from the category of almost impossible. Dear, in the pursuit of the cover of star-striped, you too neglect the logic - is it unfamiliar to you or did you just abuse it?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 02 New
          0
          There was a direct lie about what Musk allegedly said about 10% savings, I pointed to him. Whether or not Mask is lying, everyone decides for himself.
          1. SEER
            SEER 17 December 2017 18: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            There was a direct lie about what Musk allegedly said about 10% savings, I pointed to him. Whether or not Mask is lying, everyone decides for himself.

            about 50%, what can you say?
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 41 New
              +1
              We’ll see that we live who eats the market and who they copy, that was right.
              And proof
              "SpaceX speaks of more than 50% savings for the company itself compared to building a new rocket. But even without the concept of reusability, the cost of launching the Falcon 9 is very attractive to customers."
              https://naked-science.ru/article/hi-tech/eksperty
              -ozvuchili-stoimost-spacex
              1. SEER
                SEER 17 December 2017 19: 08 New
                0
                Dear, have you really noticed a couple of points?
                1. "According to Mask, the benefit is significantly more than 50%
                2. "more than 50% savings for the company itself compared to building a new rocket"
                I hope that you are a responsible person and you will understand the difference.
                With respect.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 17 December 2017 23: 42 New
                  0
                  Naturally, with what else should they compare? And fuel and other penny consumables, just 0,2 million for launch at 62 million
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 18 December 2017 15: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    more than 50% savings for the company itself compared to building a new rocket.

                    "Rocket" is not only the first step. And burnout ... Our experiments gave slightly different numbers - reuse increases the cost of launch by 10-20%, reducing reliability already at the first launch.
    3. sir_obs
      sir_obs 17 December 2017 17: 51 New
      0
      With respect to blame, except for losses, nothing has been achieved so far.
    4. Professor
      Professor 17 December 2017 18: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      According to Mask himself, the real benefit so far is only 10% of the estimated.

      The reference is not his word pliz.
      1. Crimean
        Crimean 17 December 2017 20: 01 New
        0
        Seeker let him find laughing
  4. Machete
    Machete 17 December 2017 17: 16 New
    +2
    Cargo Dragon - this is understandable.
    A manned crew is a completely different thing.
    When will he come?
    Do not mind losing the load, but the crew?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 December 2017 17: 21 New
      +1
      In April 2018, the first test flight into space of the passenger Dragon is planned
      1. Fedorov
        Fedorov 17 December 2017 17: 46 New
        +3
        At 100 km feel zero gravity? Well ahead - the wabble defeats evil.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 03 New
          0
          You ship BO and SpaceX do not confuse.
          SpaceX has 30 day orbit flight as a test
  5. Fedorov
    Fedorov 17 December 2017 17: 31 New
    +4
    This year, Russia delivered something to the ISS 6 times. Americans - three. There is a difference ?
    Not all the guys are gone!
    There are problems, but they are treatable. Believe me, he’s sitting somewhere in a Siberian nook such as Shurik with the brains of Korolev, Chelomei .. and quietly scribbles with a pencil the future of astronautics. And if Putin is not re-elected, then the guard will be removed from him.
  6. Gonchar
    Gonchar 17 December 2017 17: 42 New
    +1
    Well, here is the Trampoline. Roundtrip.
    1. SEER
      SEER 17 December 2017 17: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: GonChar
      Well, here is the Trampoline. Roundtrip.

      you forgot to put a smiley. although it’s clear who you are.
      1. Gonchar
        Gonchar 17 December 2017 17: 55 New
        +8
        Quote: SEER
        you forgot to put a smiley
        laughing laughing Paajalusta, I do not mind. why are you so disrespectful to the statements of your own ministers? AND? So close to February. Pay attention to comrades, that comrade is dissatisfied with quoting another superior comrade. A check? Today he disagrees with the trampoline and will he drink KokaKolu tomorrow?
        1. SEER
          SEER 17 December 2017 18: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: GonChar
          Quote: SEER
          you forgot to put a smiley
          laughing laughing Paajalusta, I do not mind. why are you so disrespectful to the statements of your own ministers? AND? So close to February. Pay attention to comrades, that comrade is dissatisfied with quoting another superior comrade. A check? Today he disagrees with the trampoline and will he drink KokaKolu tomorrow?

          In the words of the Minister, they ordered at their discretion.
          for people with "low social responsibility" I can say - I don’t drink "sosasolu" and other similar though sweet though not sweet drinks - "tea and water - forever."
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 17 December 2017 20: 17 New
          +4
          - Comrades! Among us there are comrades who are not comrades at all to us!
          Hope a subtle hint understood ...
          1. In100gram
            In100gram 17 December 2017 21: 05 New
            0
            laughing They are even in Russian, not really. Commentary clutter with each other in underwater language
            1. Young_Communist
              Young_Communist 18 December 2017 01: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: In100gram
              in underwater language

              Is this the language spoken by Rogozin’s satellites?
          2. Gonchar
            Gonchar 17 December 2017 21: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: sabakina
            Comrades! Among us there are comrades who are not comrades at all to us
            I feel like
  7. sir_obs
    sir_obs 17 December 2017 17: 53 New
    0
    How much did they deliver our cargo and the cost of transporting 1 kg into orbit in comparison?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 09 New
      +1
      The maximum
      Our up to 2,5 tons top, down zero.
      They are up to 3,31 tons top, down 2,5 tons

      In this mission, the Dragon delivered 2,9 tons. The cost of the mission, excluding discounts for BU for Dragon and Falcon-9, is 133 million dollars.

      I don’t know exactly how much the Soyuz-Progress bundle costs, I hope someone will tell
      1. opus
        opus 17 December 2017 20: 05 New
        +3
        How much is the Soyuz-Progress bundle

        Cargo ships to the ISS display only the Soyuz launch vehicle
        Useful load 2500 kg max (in "-", as a rule)
        Start-up cost $ 35 (in + usually)
        Alles Klaer?
      2. slipped
        slipped 17 December 2017 21: 51 New
        +1
        I will tell you))) the cost of delivery of the Dragon to the ISS is $ 89 per kg, MS Progress ~ $ 000 per kg. This is a shipping service of course.

        There are also such numbers taken from the procurement site:

        Production and supply of Soyuz-2.1a for the Progress MS ship - 1 rubles apiece.

        The cost of Soyuz-2.1b services without an upper stage, with the launch of 8350 kg, into orbit 200 km with an inclination of 51,8 degrees ~ 1 rubles.
  8. Tyulen
    Tyulen 17 December 2017 17: 54 New
    0
    Where is the Buran? No "Buran" rot somewhere.
    Prosrali reusable with powerful AI.
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 17 December 2017 18: 26 New
      +5
      Buran was built in the image and likeness of the shuttle. And if they listened to Lozinsky, then they would have long flown on other ships like the Spiral.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 December 2017 18: 46 New
        0
        Would fly already on M 19 and Tu 2000.
    2. opus
      opus 17 December 2017 20: 13 New
      +5
      powerful AI?

      Where is the firewood from?
      If the memory does not change 4-6 modified tank ballistic computers. That's the whole BTsVK.
      Threat.
      In the visual algorithmic programming and modeling language Dragon "it is not possible to write a shell for AI wink
  9. Professor
    Professor 17 December 2017 17: 59 New
    +6
    The author forgot to report that both the spacecraft and the first stage had already managed to visit space earlier. Offset Mask !!! good
    1. Gonchar
      Gonchar 17 December 2017 18: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Offset Mask !!!
      Truly an offset
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 17 December 2017 20: 20 New
        +2
        GUARD!!! Crazies on IN !!!
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 00: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: GonChar
        Truly an offset

        For me, it is more like a joy about a reused washed condom)))
        In principle, it is possible ... But why?
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 18 December 2017 04: 36 New
          +7
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          For me, it is more like a joy about a reused washed condom)))
          In principle, it is possible ... But why?

          well, you’re a goddamn thing, hero, how, but forged amers, don’t forget to take a pie from the shelf, and 3 kopecks per message.
          Now it’s clear what the future of Russia is unenviable. fellow
        2. Gonchar
          Gonchar 18 December 2017 08: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          the joy of the reused washed condom
          Your life, of course, yeah, with such associations ...
        3. Lycan
          Lycan 18 December 2017 09: 42 New
          0
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          reused washed condom)))
          In principle, it is possible ... But why?

          Perhaps this is a step on the path to some kind of cost-effective achievement. Especially if you put these "barrels" and internal heat-resistant elements "on the conveyor stream" - then the benefit can manifest itself noticeably.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 19: 01 New
            0
            Quote: Lycan
            Perhaps this is a step on the path to some kind of cost-effective achievement. Especially if you put these "barrels" and internal heat-resistant elements "on the conveyor stream" - then the benefit can manifest itself noticeably.

            Quote: GonChar
            Your life, of course, yeah, with such associations ...

            Quote: MadCat
            well, you’re a goddamn thing, hero, how, but forged amers, don’t forget to take a pie from the shelf, and 3 kopecks per message.
            Now it’s clear what the future of Russia is unenviable.

            Eka penetrated laughing I have one question: where is the program now? Space Shuttle about which they made as much noise and fanned fiercely? What did she give for the development of astronautics? What is her legacy? In addition to corpses and sickly expenses. Was it a dead end branch or did it give something? What? Only from an engineering point of view, without demagoguery ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 18 December 2017 20: 57 New
              +1
              During the operation of the Shuttles - made 135 flights, launched 1600 tons of payloads - the TTRD and the RS 25 engine received a second life on the super-heavy SLS rocket, new materials, design solutions were received when creating the Shuttles.
              1. Lycan
                Lycan 19 December 2017 11: 04 New
                0
                Fiercely plus! good
              2. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 19 December 2017 14: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                During the operation of the Shuttles - made 135 flights, launched 1600 tons of payloads - the TTRD and the RS 25 engine received a second life on the super-heavy SLS rocket, new materials, design solutions were received when creating the Shuttles.

                That is, the exhaust at the exit, for the further development of astronautics, is the same as the lunar program - hang in a frame on the wall ...
  10. cedar
    cedar 17 December 2017 18: 00 New
    +1
    "... Today Dragon is the only cargo ship capable of delivering cargo both to the ISS and from the station to Earth ..."

    For them, these are seeds ...
    For six of their lunar spans, they locked a bunch of stones ...
    1. SEER
      SEER 17 December 2017 18: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: cedar

      For them, these are seeds ...
      For six of their lunar spans, they locked a bunch of stones ...

      hde this mono bunch to see?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 17 December 2017 18: 38 New
        +1
        Lunar Samples Laboratory

        Today we, Oleg Skrypochka and me, had an amazing opportunity to get into the lunar soil storage, located on the territory of the Space Center named after Johnson.

        https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/83598.html
        1. SEER
          SEER 17 December 2017 18: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Lunar Samples Laboratory

          Today we, Oleg Skrypochka and me, had an amazing opportunity to get into the lunar soil storage, located on the territory of the Space Center named after Johnson.

          https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/83598.html

          source from the category of "Syrian Observatory of Human Rights"?
          and the official NASA website, what can it say about this? Or again, "rewrite the film"?
          as far as I remember, to some the same nasa was transmitting something. it turned out that the petrified wood was passed.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 17 December 2017 19: 01 New
            +4
            1.https: //curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lun-fac.cfm
            Keep a link to the NASA website and its soil storage unit.
            2. Not NASA, but the ambassador, but where did he get the big question.
            And so NASA and the USSR gave a sample, this sample is stored in the Cosmonautics Museum at VDNH
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 17 December 2017 20: 23 New
              +2
              As far as I remember, NASA gave so little that it is even impossible to investigate. And hge the ground?
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 17 December 2017 23: 39 New
                +2
                Ours have researched and written a bunch of scientific papers.
                Where the ground has already answered, both transferred and remaining
                1. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 18 December 2017 03: 32 New
                  0
                  Calm down !!! They flew, and even lied on the moon.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 December 2017 18: 49 New
        0
        Part of this soil settled in private collections - the rest in museums.
        1. SEER
          SEER 17 December 2017 20: 17 New
          0
          Dear, you yourself are not funny?
          The state, having spent colossal money, for not very expensive, sold the self-known private owner? And as I understand it, those "private traders" do not give lunar soil for examination?
          Museums probably too?
          Question about the substitution you, dear just missed?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 December 2017 21: 04 New
            0
            I would have sold them in their place, Lunar soil - yes it will be torn off with hands, even for a lot of money.
            1. Lycan
              Lycan 19 December 2017 13: 27 New
              0
              I will tell you more:
              Already sold fragments of a meteorite [Chelyabinsk] in weight 6 times more than the meteorite itself.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwYlsMHDtA (3:50-3:57)
              ("Mikhail Zadornov about the Chelyabinsk meteorite")
              ---------------
              Sell ​​you lunar soil? Fresh! Just delivered yesterday. I took it myself - I'm happy! I have a trusted provider.
      3. opus
        opus 17 December 2017 20: 03 New
        +2
        hde this mono bunch to see?

        Why do you need this?
        Even on the balcony (if suddenly) your lying will not help.
        This disease (yo) of the ppl is not treated
        1. SEER
          SEER 17 December 2017 20: 22 New
          0
          thanks for the answer. but, unfortunately, you, my respected man, have fallen to frank insults.
          1. opus
            opus 17 December 2017 21: 07 New
            +3
            Yes, I didn’t "fall"
            I accidentally pressed the NTV button on the TV, there "you will not believe" what
            I’ll go to the vomit.
            do not touch the "green cat": I know him.
            On the lunar soil, I can send the scoreboard to Excel, everything to the milligram is taken into account, according to the recipients. There is a hundred to stop.
            Thanks for the "snake".
            Nt about the moon.america.appolons.
            This is a diagnosis of kaaaklizm. "Glory to the Ukraine."
            Diagnosis is
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              1. opus
                opus 18 December 2017 00: 18 New
                +4
                Yes, I’m writing with Andrei, everything can’t get into a letter.
                "" - maybe I do not respect myself.
                Do not be offended, but the supporters of the lunar conspiracy, I have absolutely no respect.
                Shoals of flies, velors, a little kibilchish ... only from my comments corrected as many 8 pieces (and I'm very inattentive and lazy).
                No offense, nothing personal.
                And you are for me who.
                You will ask my younger offspring (rehearsing math, geometry and physics)
                Debile ml ** s is the softest and 90% addressed to teachers and authors of textbooks ..
                Well, how can the law of conservation of momentum be studied without having studied 1,2,3 Z. Newton and vectors?
                fool
      4. Lycan
        Lycan 19 December 2017 11: 06 New
        0
        In the Arizona desert.
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 00: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: cedar
      "... Today Dragon is the only cargo ship capable of delivering cargo both to the ISS and from the station to Earth ..."

      Do astronauts jump from the station in parachutes?
      1. opus
        opus 18 December 2017 00: 42 New
        +3
        It's about freight !!!
        And so there is always a “duty” union:
        The crew is evacuated from the ISS on Soyuz spacecraft. 
        Partial evacuation has already been several times.
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 19: 05 New
          0
          Quote: opus
          It's about freight !!!

          And will astronauts return without cargo in the Union? Well, yes, that’s why, “purely cargo” is only a dragon - we dump our Progresses with garbage into the ocean. Well, we don’t have such a task - to carry goods from orbit, namely, separately from the astronauts. So what?
  11. cedar
    cedar 17 December 2017 18: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: SEER
    Quote: cedar

    For them, these are seeds ...
    For six of their lunar spans, they locked a bunch of stones ...

    hde this mono bunch to see?


    That on the moon ... Where they took there and returned ... Customs "Good" did not give ...
    1. SEER
      SEER 17 December 2017 19: 33 New
      +2
      [quote = cedar] [quote = SEER] [quote = cedar]
      For them, these are seeds ...
      For six of their lunar spans, they locked a bunch of stones ... [/ quote]
      hde this mono bunch to see? [/ quote]
      That's what I mean. It seems they took it but didn’t take it ...
      Ours that under the "Moon" program took topics and immediately shared. Without too much hype.
      And these "radishes", in their words, supposedly having 800 times more, "drove a fool" for more than one year. But, some, having received the “parcel” with “joy,” saw a petrified tree - well, thank you at least not petrified shit - let them rejoice, patsaki ...
  12. Black5Raven
    Black5Raven 17 December 2017 18: 44 New
    18
    Voyager has long gone beyond the limits of the solar system and is still working, various planets are being investigated, new images, data, attempt / landing on a comet, and so on are appearing. Russia has only the role of a taxi driver before the ISS and in comments there is one bragging about “stupid” Americans and a “great” space power without trampolines.

    Everything is as usual .
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 December 2017 18: 56 New
      0
      Of the promising developments in Russia, only the unmanned spaceship "Hammer" and the nuclear propulsion system, and even then the first is a lot of suspense.
      1. ghby
        ghby 18 December 2017 08: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Of the promising developments in Russia, only the unmanned spaceship "Hammer" and the nuclear propulsion system, and even then the first is a lot of suspense.

        The megawatt class nuclear power plant (YaEDU) is a joint project of the group of enterprises that are part of Roskosmos and Rosatom, aimed at creating a megawatt class nuclear power plant. It was designed for a spacecraft with the working name Transport and Energy Module (TEM).

        Work on the installation of the installation was started in 2009, the planned completion date is 2018. It is planned to conduct flight tests in 2020.

        The lead contractor for nuclear power research is the Federal State Unitary Enterprise “Research Center named after MV Keldysh”. The lead contractor for the reactor installation (RU) is NIKIET, led by general designer Yuri Dragunov.

        The aim of the project is to bring Russia to a leading position in the creation of highly efficient energy systems for space applications that can solve a wide range of tasks in space, such as exploring the moon and distant planets with the creation of automatic bases on them.

        The design feature is the use of a special coolant - a helium-xenon mixture, a high-temperature gas-cooled fast neutron reactor, pipes made of a molybdenum alloy, uranium of higher enrichment and a temperature in the reactor up to 1500 K, two RUOO reactors for ground tests and RUGK for flight tests .


        If this project is being implemented, but it is being implemented, then this will be a breakthrough to which our competitors will stomp and stomp. and Russia will no longer deliver passengers to the ISS, but to the moon and Mars. 1,5 months to Mars and 10 years of operation - these are technologies. Instead of 1,5 years today and one way roads.

        So not everything is lost.
    2. Irokez
      Irokez 17 December 2017 19: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Black5Raven
      Everything is as usual

      You forgot to mention Comrade Belarus that the ISS station is served by ours and the basis of the entire company is ours, but unfortunately the foreigners conduct experiments at this station with their modules mainly. This is not quite a convenient sight for us. We are waiting for the Belarusian satellite and the launch vehicle with Belconaut on board.
      1. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 18 December 2017 02: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Irokez
        ISS station is served by our

        Oh yes, of course, nobody else is repairing equipment at the station.

        Quote: Irokez
        and our company’s foundation

        Count the number of Russian blocks, and then look at the date of the ISS failure. Soon this will not remain. They have not been able to complete the only module for ten years.

        Quote: Irokez
        and a launch vehicle with Belconaut on board.

        It will be so soon, do not worry. The trends are remarkable in the Russian space industry; more jokes about trampolines are needed.
  13. anjey
    anjey 17 December 2017 18: 51 New
    +1
    it's time to create a purely Russian station to create World 2 ..... expensive, but without foreign spies, the station is also used as a dual-use weapon, let them be afraid ....
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 December 2017 19: 02 New
      +2
      There is no money, but you hold on. We have already reduced our crew on the ISS from three to two people due to savings
      1. slipped
        slipped 17 December 2017 21: 53 New
        0
        Russian crew will be increased to 3 people in the fall of 2018
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 December 2017 23: 37 New
          0
          This is if oil does not go down again, and oil production in the US is growing briskly
          1. slipped
            slipped 18 December 2017 03: 21 New
            0
            it has nothing to do with oil, it is connected with the launch of the MLM module on December 20
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 18 December 2017 09: 41 New
              0
              MLM has been postponed again and again, now launch in 2018.
              "According to the director general of RSC Energia Vladimir Solntsev, MLM will be ready by the end of 2017, and the launch of the module is scheduled for 2018."
              And as for oil, there was always a crew of three and here of the two were prescribed after the price fell.
              1. slipped
                slipped 18 December 2017 17: 08 New
                0
                Why lie? It has been standing at the end of 2 for 2018 years already, just recently the commission confirmed the date - December 20, 2018, the launch. They will focus on him. Now about the crew - it was increased, at one time to three people in 2011, just under the launch, which was later transferred to in 2015, but the launch did not take place due to the fact that the tanks could not be cleaned, the crew They didn’t cut back for a long time, but they recently adopted a new budget for the PCF and decided to save money before launch. This has nothing to do with oil in principle.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 18 December 2017 22: 03 New
                  0
                  Yes Yes. They drove an extra astronaut for more than 6 years.
                  And then suddenly they began to see.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 20 December 2017 01: 16 New
                    0
                    At the station, no one is superfluous, but here they decided to optimize costs and nothing more.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 December 2017 19: 05 New
      +1
      We couldn’t do a system for detecting asteroids and meteorites, after Chelyabinsk in 2013, then they screamed at all that they’d do, and you say about our station, we’re more developed than space, it’s now like a clean circle of interests, with state funding, in which most of the money goes not at all to space.
    3. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 18 December 2017 02: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: anjey
      , a purely Russian station to create World 2

      They cannot complete one scientific module. Will not work .
  14. opus
    opus 17 December 2017 19: 48 New
    +1
    Today, Dragon is the only cargo ship capable of delivering cargo both to the ISS and from the station to Earth.

    Topwar mmmmm
    Where do you find clowns (authors)?
    "only"?
    Forgot chaplak add AMERICAN?
    (AND THAT IS NOT ONLY, WHEN THE CROPT IS DEEPLY)
    The Antares launcher with the Cygnus cargo ship launched from the US Wallops Space Center in Virginia, NASA website reported.

    And what about
    -Progress M 11F615A60?
    -Progress M-GKM?
    -Progress MS?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 December 2017 21: 07 New
      0
      I wonder how much more we will fly at Progress.
      1. opus
        opus 17 December 2017 21: 34 New
        +2
        On progress DO NOT FLY!
        goods are delivered and returned (poop cosmonauts including)
        On pH, the union will be displayed for another 10 years.
        The magnificent seven mlyn edrena louse
        $ 35 / withdrawal.
        Roscosmos handguns will not be better invented.
      2. slipped
        slipped 17 December 2017 21: 54 New
        0
        Progress is an excellent platform for delivering goods and modules to the station.
        1. opus
          opus 18 December 2017 00: 00 New
          +1
          I, what is against?
          I'm talking about the author-deer.
          I'm talking about rosskosmos- handed.
          To understand this = frets: I’ll tell you about the "union" rn ...
          Zaporozhets is the same pudding (at a cost) machine, however?
          1. slipped
            slipped 18 December 2017 03: 23 New
            0
            Your price is wrong, it is even less by at least $ 10 million
    2. Topgun
      Topgun 17 December 2017 22: 36 New
      0
      you attacked the author :)) I think in the news he accentuated "so from the station to Earth" (meaning the whole and not in the form of coals) ...
      don't progress burn out?
      the “swan” burns out like the “progress” so the author is right ...
      1. opus
        opus 18 December 2017 00: 22 New
        +2
        meaning whole and not in the form of coals) ...

        Progress returns everything in integrity and safety, incl. and the astronaut’s poop (dried) is not burnt and not wrinkled (a whole ni has been exploring them for 30 years already) + experimental results + blood / urine tests, hair / nails / skin scrapings and used filters, etc., etc.
        Dada dirty clothes (partially)
        If the memory does not change, something around 2090 kg is returned "as in a pharmacy."

        If the author wanted to say something = THAT WOULD SAY.
        But he and NK are similar in courses, maybe a journal.
        1. Topgun
          Topgun 18 December 2017 10: 31 New
          0
          can you give an example when the couple brought Progress to the earth?
          I do not work in the space sector, but I am interested in space and all the time (I don’t even remember where) I knew that they (Progresses) were “landing” in the ocean, and this is the very first link in Google https://www.vesti.ru/doc. html? id = 2912218
          I especially didn’t delve into the design of the “progression”, but I always thought that it was logical (why drag parachutes and ceramics with you into space (or how they protect the ship so that it doesn’t burn out), the task is to lift loads to the maximum ...
          1. opus
            opus 18 December 2017 12: 48 New
            0
            The first launch of the returned ballistic capsule "Raduga" took place in the TGK "Progress-M5" (start 27.09.90/29.11.1990/150, landing 26/5/XNUMX). In spite of the maximum carrying capacity of XNUMX kg, in the first flight the capsule returned to Earth only XNUMX kg of photographic film taken at the "Priroda-XNUMX" photographic complex of the "Mir" orbital complex. The rest of the capsule volume was occupied by telemetry equipment for recording the parameters of the descent of the capsule itself.
            In total during the period 1990-1994. nine capsules were put into orbit and returned to Earth (one of them was not found after returning), with the help of which more than 500 kg of materials with research results were delivered from the Mir station to Earth.
            ========
            Shl. I honestly thought it all in motion. But it turned out to be abandoned as the shuttle arrived (and then left).
            Then the deer is me. crying
            But if you return the cargo from the ISS (or from the moon), you will drag both the VBC and the ceramics and the parachute system.
  15. Vard
    Vard 17 December 2017 20: 00 New
    0
    We are a poor country ... no one is giving us anything ... like some people are in poverty ... On the contrary, everyone who robs ... But despite all that we saved manned space ... As for American missiles ... they have the flag and a drum around the neck ... The first explosion with the astronauts on board and the program will close ... And it will be ... everyone had it and they will have ...
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 18 December 2017 04: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Vard
      We are a poor country ... no one is giving us anything ... like some people are in poverty ... On the contrary, everyone who robs ... But despite all that we saved manned space ... As for American missiles ... they have the flag and a drum around the neck ... The first explosion with the astronauts on board and the program will close ... And it will be ... everyone had it and they will have ...

      I would hang a drum on the neck of Rogozin, and so they’ll close who and what program? The flow of consciousness with the aim of amers crap around? Think corny.
  16. AKC
    AKC 17 December 2017 20: 03 New
    +6
    well done "stupid Americans" I wonder who will now compare the effectiveness of government in the person of Rogozin and the company Mask?
    I don’t want to be a predictor, but we are slowly losing space and it’s not that Rogozin is a bad leader, but that the private trader is effective, he makes decisions faster. she’s not afraid of responsibility and the fact that she doesn’t follow the instructions of her superiors, the private trader will also save on costs and not inflate the staff by hiring twenty directors, twenty press secretaries, and other very necessary deputies for the state account.
    It is unlikely that the private trader will put engineers on the thieves or arrange his mistresses and children on a thieves post, commentators can describe the cases described by me at almost any enterprise with state participation. I don’t think that the space direction is very different (and on the example of Rogozin’s son, and other officials, you can see what I’m talking about!)
    I think. what Mask will be other private companies. which will squeeze the state out of orbit service. only private Russian probably will not be! I hope that I am wrong !!!!
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 18 December 2017 03: 41 New
      0
      Brad. Again, an effective private trader, and not tired of chewing this shit?
    2. passerby5
      passerby5 18 December 2017 09: 52 New
      +1
      private trader is effective, yes. But NOT with us !!! somehow their effectiveness is from the word economy. perceive literally and economical ... yes yes, salaries and not due to the introduction of advanced technologies ... somehow. but it works according to the doom of relatives and friends. in one he worked, so the water carrier drove, then the member-carrier, then they put him in the general directors. Well, of course, the office gasped under the leadership of such an effect of the manager of_PRIVATE COMPANY. and you say private trader. and such a dime a dozen. in general, as Zhvanetsky says: something like the guys we have is not the right one, the medicine e fights the common cold, but rather cooperates!)))
  17. Altona
    Altona 17 December 2017 21: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    The reference is not his word pliz.

    http://youinf.ru/vygoda-ot-zapuskov-vozvrashhaemo
    j-rakety-falcon-9-byla-slishkom-pereocenena /
    I have no Jewish habit of lying, Professor. Secondly, I do not follow the PR and showmen, which is Musk. Thirdly, I have to read what Twitter throws out to me. hi
  18. Altona
    Altona 17 December 2017 21: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: AKC
    and the fact that the private trader is effective, he makes decisions faster. she’s not afraid of responsibility and the fact that she doesn’t follow the instructions of her superiors, the private trader will also save on costs and not inflate the staff by hiring twenty directors, twenty press secretaries, and other very necessary deputies for the state account.

    -------------
    Not true, all major space programs were raised only by the state. The private trader arrogantly takes state achievements, terribly PR, does not invest anything in fundamental science. All projects The mask is a licking of the old NASA designs of the 70-90s. A private person is a predator.
    1. opus
      opus 17 December 2017 21: 38 New
      +2
      All projects The mask is a licking of the old NASA designs of 70-90 years. The private person is predators

      SPECIFICLY WHICH?
      I detract from the need for a current of idiocy from D. Konanykhin (pasta) ...
      And nonsense about the ODE of the lunar module is not necessary.
      There are enough deer in the Russian Federation even without a konyakhin.
      Ku
      1. SEER
        SEER 17 December 2017 22: 05 New
        0
        users clan "amerigabylanalune" very much. count zayo ...
        but someone is doing something.
        and deer in the “traveled west” like fleas on a “ball” - you can’t pull a hundred morons to your side with your presence.
        1. opus
          opus 18 December 2017 00: 08 New
          +2

          0

           SEER ↑ Today, 22:05 pm

          users clan "amerigabylanalune" very much. count zayo ...


          .
          My teachings, which forged the country's missile shield (mbr and brppl) the same "clan users"?
          Dead, but sorry. But according to their textbooks 1 / 2 of the world is studying.
          And not once, from them, did not hear such nonsense.
          Shl. And to this day with dick belay sometimes we drink drunken crusts when they don’t teach THERE ... well I haven’t heard.
          True, they are from medicine (genetics / cancer) ... however, they are very smart at 50.
          I don’t know about deer. I'm a rocketeer, not a bestiality / political scientist.
          It’s better for you to turn to Gordon or Vovka Soloviev: he’s in the know.
        2. chidoryan
          chidoryan 18 December 2017 11: 40 New
          +3
          In general, this is a generally recognized fact. The Americans were on the moon. There is a small percentage of schizophrenics prone to conspiracy theories. There is also a flat earth society. Here you go. Or to the hospital.
          1. SEER
            SEER 18 December 2017 12: 20 New
            0
            don't tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go ...
            1. chidoryan
              chidoryan 18 December 2017 12: 35 New
              +1
              Well, do you admit that most sensible people do not dispute the fact that Amers visited the moon? For example, the scientific community, and not the shizany commentators? You just need to understand that it is you who are in the sect. And your author, by the way, is fake. You are soaked in lies and delirium.
              1. SEER
                SEER 18 December 2017 12: 47 New
                0
                Quote: chidoryan
                You just need to understand that it is you who are in the sect. And your author, by the way, is fake. You are soaked in lies and delirium.

                diagnosis by profile picture ?? Well, which of us is raving?
                1. chidoryan
                  chidoryan 18 December 2017 12: 52 New
                  +1
                  meet on clothes, heard this? And they are escorted in relation to the amers visiting the moon. In this case.
                  1. SEER
                    SEER 18 December 2017 13: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: chidoryan
                    meet on clothes, heard this? And they are escorted in relation to the amers visiting the moon. In this case.

                    inna. you don’t understand another.
                    1. chidoryan
                      chidoryan 18 December 2017 13: 01 New
                      +1
                      Words not of a boy, but of a husband! (Sarcasm)
        3. Young_Communist
          Young_Communist 18 December 2017 14: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: SEER
          users clan "amerigabylanalune" very much. count zayo ...
          but someone is doing something.
          and deer in the “traveled west” like fleas on a “ball” - you can’t pull a hundred morons to your side with your presence.


          By the way, why did the Soviet cosmonauts Leonov and Grechko prove that the Americans were on the moon? Are they national traitors?


  19. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 17 December 2017 21: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: polkovnik manuch
    the Americans are ahead again and even their reentry vehicles are reusable

    To return 20 steps and only start one of them again - is it how much more fuel for this you need to use up ???

    PS. As for the Falcon 9 project, everything is ambiguous (launches are too expensive - the state is financing them now), so this is in any case amer’s temporary solution: it’s not for nothing that they are making “attempts” with the release of their engine.
    It also seems to me that their astronauts will not fly on it.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 December 2017 22: 36 New
      0
      Along the way, this is just the second first step - repeatedly flying.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 17 December 2017 23: 38 New
        0
        Actually fourth
  20. not main
    not main 17 December 2017 21: 55 New
    0
    voyaka uh,
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Well, turn 19 satellites into submarines in one launch with us
    not yet succeeded. We are just learning ... recourse

    And I still did not believe! What are you the most corrupt and envious .... without going personal!
  21. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 17 December 2017 22: 08 New
    +2
    You can throw guano on the fan as much as you like, but progress is evident. It may not be so fast, not so bright, but it is obvious. Like us or not. For me, it looks brighter against the backdrop of our degradation. We have the courage to admit it! Well, you can’t
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 17 December 2017 22: 09 New
      +2
      Well, you can’t use, endlessly, the achievements created once upon a time !!
      Road going by walking!
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  23. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 00: 17 New
    +1
    Today, Dragon is the only cargo ship capable of delivering cargo both to the ISS and from the station to Earth.

    Do astronauts jump from the station in parachutes?
    1. opus
      opus 18 December 2017 00: 52 New
      +3
      Loads of emoe! Cargo !!!!!
      You still tell about the trampoline
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 19: 07 New
        0
        Quote: opus
        Loads of emoe! Cargo !!!!!

        What is there for such a cargo flow from orbit that a separate ship is needed ??? Drosophila are not placed in the Union?
        1. opus
          opus 19 December 2017 01: 27 New
          0
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          What is there for such a cargo flow from orbit that a separate ship is needed ???

          experimental results with Aspergillus nidulans.

          A new experimental model of promising medical styling (a set of drugs and tools) for emergency care in orbit
          (waiting for 2018)

          all manufactured high-tech materials and biological products


          Scientists grow acetylcholinesterase crystals on the ISS that cannot be synthesized on Earth.

          AChE (acetylcholinesterase) enzyme / National Institutes of Health (NIH) project called CounterACT Against Chemical Hazards (CounterACT) aboard SpaceX Dragon-11 capsule /

          TsENKI ("Cosmodromes of Russia" _ discusses with partners from Europe and China the issue of using a unique furnace for the production of crystals in space

          The most famous was the Russian-European research Matryoshka-R, in which mannequins created at the Institute of Biomedical Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Cologne Institute of Space Medicine were used to determine the absorbed dose of cosmic radiation.

          -Set "SPD", consisting of 6 assemblies for placement in the compartments of the CM;
          -Set "Phantom", equipped with a set of interchangeable assemblies and pencil cases containing passive detectors;
          -Stacking with tools;

          seventh detachment of "biotourists" - grape snails



          the truth is they are waiting for the return with the unions, they wait a long time


          Threat.
          Plasma Crystal experiment - results returned to Earth

          Special equipment for the experiment burned out along with the Albert Einstein cargo ship and over the Pacific Ocean.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 19 December 2017 14: 33 New
            0
            Quote: opus
            experimental results with Aspergillus nidulans.

            To deliver mold from orbit, do you need a ship with a carrying capacity of more than a ton? belay
            Just like the rest of the ones you listed, it fits into three hundred payloads of the Unions ...
            No, I am not against technological progress as such, no matter who it is carried out. Mask has funds - let him try, do ... Well done. Only the hype that this is some kind of breakthrough is excessive. And the corresponding slogans are: "only cargo ship carrying goods from orbit "... negative
            1. opus
              opus 22 December 2017 12: 07 New
              0
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              To deliver mold from orbit, do you need a ship with a carrying capacity of more than a ton?

              Today 100 gram mold ...
              And tomorrow it will take a ton or two crystals, matrices or something else.
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              Just like the rest of the above you fit into three hundred payloads of the Unions

              Unions fly MUCH less often than freight
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              Only the hype that this is some kind of breakthrough is excessive. And the slogans are appropriate: "the only cargo ship carrying cargo from orbit" ..

              1. Well, then we often "have no analogs in the world"
              2.On the account "the only ones" I pointed out to the author
              Quote: opus
              Topwar mmmmm
              Where do you find clowns (authors)?
              "only"?
              Forgot chaplak add AMERICAN?
              (AND THAT IS NOT ONLY, WHEN THE CROPT IS DEEPLY)
  24. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 18: 43 New
    0
    Professor,
    Quote: Professor
    Stupidity? Here is your receiver. The size of a brick:
    But the bourgeois receiver Glonas and GPS. Two in one.

    You do not understand what I mean? Let me explain: sculpting bricks is not a noble cause! We create TECHNOLOGY! But the “iron” under it let the bourgeois artisans rivet - even with a brick, even with a horseshoe for a flea!
    Quote: Professor
    And what is the place of Tesla connected with SpaceIs?

    I thought you were kissed by the Great Mask ... Wrong?
    Quote: Professor
    Private company. Sawing their own.

    I beg you lol Well, do we not know where the main gesheft yes
    1. Professor
      Professor 18 December 2017 19: 38 New
      0
      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      You do not understand what I mean? Let me explain: sculpting bricks is not a noble cause! We create TECHNOLOGY! But the “iron” under it let the bourgeois artisans rivet - even with a brick, even with a horseshoe for a flea!

      What technology? Like bourgeoisie created satellite navigation ... What are you talking about?

      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      I thought you were kissed by the Great Mask ... Wrong?

      Ah .... Well then, let's talk about Pai Pal. Musk is like everywhere Musk. You can also about Solar City. But here again I can’t understand what is the financial connection of these companies?

      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      I beg you, do we not know where the main gesheft

      No, I don’t know where the main gesheft is. I don’t steal from my own family (not that I would also steal from others). But when I need money, then I just take it from the family budget until it runs out. So is Musk. His company, and do you think he is stealing from himself? Do you have such information? Then you can immediately contact the US Department of the Treasury. A multi-million dollar prize is guaranteed. I understand that
      a) You will not be lofty moral principles and will not knock on the Mask (although your lofty moral principles do not interfere with public slander on him)
      b) You are already a millionaire and a dozen million more bonuses to you. wink
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 20: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        But when I need money, then I just take it from the family budget until it runs out. So is Musk. His company and in your opinion he is stealing from himself?

        What interesting is he "family budget")))
        http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-sub
        sidies-20150531-story.html # page =

        Quote: Professor
        You can also about Solar City.

        Can. And about solar bonds possible ... The largest buyer of which, incidentally, is SpaceX request
        And the fact that money from state contracts SpaceX are used to help other companies Mask also means nothing? So, a trifle?
        If everything burns out for him, then of course a trifle - they will write off ... But only history shows that all such pyramids end up with one ... In the meantime, it is pumped up at the expense of the government’s money. And it doesn’t matter whether he pushes Chinese batteries into his Tesla mobiles or returns a couple of “capsules” from orbit - the essence is one ...
        To you to chew? Or do you already understand what a gesheft is? yes
        Threat. Although this, after all, is your personal business on whom to fap)))
        1. Professor
          Professor 18 December 2017 20: 51 New
          0
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          What an interesting “family budget” he has))))
          http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-sub
          sidies-20150531-story.html # page =

          You are neglecting my intelligentsia.
          On a smaller scale, SpaceX, Musk's rocket company, cut a deal for about $ 20 million in economic development subsidies from Texas to construct a launch facility there. (Separate from incentives, SpaceX has won more than $ 5.5 billion in government contracts from NASA and the US Air Force.)
          You do not confuse government subsidies with government orders. He receives orders, carries out launches and what he does with his money is his business. There is no cut.

          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          Can. And about the "solar bonds" you can ... The largest buyer of which, incidentally, is SpaceX

          I won’t be surprised that Space X employees drive a Tesla car. This is normal. Space X is a private company, it buys from anyone it wants. There are no conflicting interests.

          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          And the fact that money from state contracts SpaceX are used to help other companies Mask also means nothing? So, a trifle?

          Private company. His money. Maybe even for yachts, even for women to spend.

          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          If everything burns out for him, then of course a trifle - they will write off ... But only history shows that all such pyramids end up with one ... In the meantime, it is pumped up at the expense of the government’s money. And it doesn’t matter whether he pushes Chinese batteries into his Tesla mobiles or returns a couple of “capsules” from orbit - the essence is one ...

          Again. His company, and do you think he is stealing from himself? Do you have such information? Then you can immediately contact the US Department of the Treasury. A multi-million dollar prize is guaranteed. I understand that
          a) You will not be lofty moral principles and will not knock on the Mask (although your lofty moral principles do not interfere with public slander on him)
          b) You are already a millionaire and a dozen million more bonuses to you.

          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          We create TECHNOLOGY!

          We return to TECHNOLOGIES. Musk created the technology for re-applying the first stage and now you are trying to copy it.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 19 December 2017 14: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            You do not confuse government subsidies with government orders. He receives orders, carries out launches and what he does with his money is his business. There is no cut.

            You are naive as a student))) What does the subsidy have to do with it? Just on government orders the main money is made! And the main budget cut is there!
            Quote: Professor
            I won’t be surprised that Space X employees drive a Tesla car. This is normal. Space X is a private company, it buys from anyone it wants. There are no conflicting interests.

            This is not about a conflict of interests, but about artificial inflation ...
            Quote: Professor
            Private company. His money. Maybe even for yachts, even for women to spend.

            Comment above ...
            Quote: Professor
            Again. His company, and do you think he is stealing from himself?

            request You do not understand the meaning of what I wrote?
            Quote: Professor
            Back to the TECHNOLOGY. Musk created the technology for re-applying the first stage and now you are trying to copy it.

            More detail ...
            1. Professor
              Professor 19 December 2017 15: 07 New
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              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              You are naive as a student))) What does the subsidy have to do with it? Just on government orders, the bulk of the money is being made! And the main budget cut is there!

              Money for fish again? Musk received a government order of $ 5 billion. He received the money and did not launch? Maybe he has bumped up the price for his services? no? Then where is the cut?

              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              This is not about a conflict of interests, but about artificial inflation ...

              One company buys goods from another at market (not overpriced) prices. What is artificial about this?

              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              Quote: Professor
              Private company. His money. Maybe even for yachts, even for women to spend.
              Comment above ...

              Again. He will buy whatever he wants for his private money. Everything is fair.

              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              You do not understand the meaning of what I wrote?

              No. I don’t understand how you can steal from yourself while paying all taxes. Teach pliz, and then already got 50% of the salary income.

              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              Quote: Professor
              Back to the TECHNOLOGY. Musk created the technology for re-applying the first stage and now you are trying to copy it.
              More detail ...

              http://www.interfax.ru/russia/515880
              Roscosmos will develop the return first stage of the launch vehicle
              According to him, the Russian engineers were not inspired by the experience of Elon Mask, the founder of SpaceX, who puts the first stages of the Falcon 9 rocket on a barge in the Atlantic Ocean - Khrunichev designs a “winged” first stage that can return to the cosmodrome as an airplane and board the take-off landing strip.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 December 2017 21: 06 New
          +1
          For the pyramid, the space sphere is the most difficult - an impossible task for a con man, a con man doesn’t like to work, rockets, engines and space trucks do it, it’s clearly not for MMM to create and fake papers.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 19 December 2017 14: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            an impossible task for a swindler, a swindler doesn’t like to work, rockets, engines and space trucks do

            So he himself does not create anything. NASA experts work for him ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 December 2017 00: 39 New
              0
              Yes, that's just NASA, 6000 people working on SpaceX are not included.