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According to Stalin's course

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The most important result of the post-war monetary reform was stabilization and the subsequent increase in the payment and purchasing power (PPP) of the Soviet ruble, which in fact transformed it into the interstate currency of the USSR and the people's democratic countries. He strengthened around 10 years. But the Khrushchev monetary reform of 1961 of the year de facto pegged the ruble to the US dollar, worked to lower the PPP and eventually depreciate the national currency, which lasted until the last days of the USSR.


According to Stalin's course


As noted by Arseny Zverev (1900 – 1969), the People's Commissar (later Minister) of Finance of the USSR in 1938 – 1960 (he was in charge of the preparation and conduct of post-war reform), in October 1943 of Sovnarkom raised the issue of streamlining money circulation, curbing inflation and long-term pricing policy in the country. First of all, it was necessary, Zverev emphasized, to carefully calculate the volumes of accumulated ruble surpluses, their distribution by sectors and social groups and the real value (that is, PPP - A. Ch.) Of the total money supply. Such an analysis helped determine the choice of a reform strategy and, therefore, financial and economic policy.

“Money during the war years could not help depreciating, although the state in every way restrained this tendency by strictly controlling the supply of demand for consumer goods in the rear regions and by tightening price regulation in non-state trade (trade cooperation, collective farm markets, etc.),” stated Maxim Saburov (“Scored Names-2”), head of the USSR State Planning Committee at the end of 40-x - mid-50-x. “Nevertheless, inflationary pressure, accumulation and circulation of excess money supply among a number of social groups and in a number of regions threatened the country's economy with serious destabilization. And this scenario was all the more necessary to eliminate on the eve of the post-war economic recovery and, accordingly, the new five-year plans for the socio-economic development of the country. Therefore, it was necessary to exchange money while increasing their purchasing power. ” As Saburov recalled, Stalin drew attention to these and related questions even on the eve of the Battle of Stalingrad.

Pre-reform studies were conducted in 1943 – 1947. The complex result was the decisions of the Central Committee of the party "On the abolition of the card system and monetary reform" (13 December 1947) and jointly with the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On monetary reform and cancellation cards for food and industrial goods" (14 December 1947). These documents, which indicated in detail the mechanism and parameters of monetary reform, made it possible in a record short time to accomplish the tasks outlined by the Soviet government as early as the autumn of 1942.

The socio-economic effect of the planned reform was already apparent at the end of 1946, when rumors about it began to spread rapidly. Especially in the rear regions, where the money supply, turnover and savings deposits were at least one and a half times higher than in the frontline and exempt from occupation. Thus, according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the USSR State Control (March - May 1947), since December 1946, large deposits in savings banks are becoming more frequent, there is a landslide purchase of both expensive products and consumer goods. Cash incomes of restaurants are growing, there have been cases of large-scale thefts from warehouses, resale / resale of domestic and lend-lease goods in domestic trade. From 16 December 1947-th to 1 in May, the 1948-th bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs revealed hidden from accounting and stolen products for almost 62 million rubles, illegal contributions to 101,3 million rubles were withdrawn. These trends occur in a quarter of the country, but are most characteristic of the rear regions. That is, excess cash is increasingly turning into purchases and commodity-money transactions.

But in the middle of 1947, when the rumors about the reform were “strengthened”, the population began, figuratively speaking, to massively invest in savings banks in order to minimize losses from the exchange of money. The total amount of deposits for May - November has more than tripled.

Taking into account these factors and, accordingly, to prevent a stir, the period of reform was set at two weeks. The mentioned decisions of the Central Committee and the government (1947 year) also indicated that there was significantly more money in circulation than is needed for the national economy, because of which their purchasing power decreased. This in turn led to a gap between state and market prices and to the use of the situation by speculative elements for profit at the expense of the population. Therefore, comprehensive measures are needed to strengthen the Soviet ruble. Namely: the exchange of cash in hand on new is made in the proportion of 10 rubles for one; deposits up to three thousand rubles are revaluated 1 to 1, that is, without loss; from three thousand to ten thousand rubles - with the actual decrease by 20 – 35 percent of the original amount; ten thousand rubles and more - with a reduction of 50 – 60 percent; for holders of bonds (available at that time for 95% of the working-age population of the country) the recalculation of 3 to 1 is set, but the current loan issued and distributed in December of 1946 to 1947 in October will be repaid at par.

Recall that government loans were subject to mandatory repayment. And the state fulfilled its obligations. But Khrushchev in 1961 stated that, due to "the numerous requests of the working people," the maturities of loans are shifted by at least 10 years. By that time, the socio-economic situation in the country was already far from stability. Voluntarism in the management of the national economy, a mediocre foreign economic policy, when the USSR bought citrus fruits, dates, coffee grains and cocoa beans for gold in developing countries, led to severe imbalances and an acute budget deficit. By the way, the last government loans (mid-end 50-x) were repaid only in 1990 – 1991, when the real ruble PPP fell at least 10 times ...

In social terms, the strategic parameter was that, first of all, according to the aforementioned government decisions, the wages of workers and employees, as well as the incomes of peasants from government procurement and other labor incomes of all segments of the population, are not affected by the reform and will be paid in new money in the old amounts . Secondly, the rationing system for food and industrial goods of mass demand was canceled. In parallel, in the state trade (retail and wholesale) there was a transition to uniform prices. At the same time, they were reduced in retail, for example, for bread and flour - by 12 percent, cereals and pasta - by 10 percent, for other consumer goods (food and non-food) - by 10 – 14 percent.

As a result, commercial prices have plummeted (that is, in market trade). As a result of the aforementioned, we emphasize interrelated measures, the purchasing activity of the population already increased by almost 1948 percent by the spring of 25. This allowed more than a third to compensate for the total government spending on reform.

In the future, the range of products for which prices were falling (this regularly occurred every spring from 1948 to 1954) was almost doubled. And in order to avoid rush purchases, the Federal Council of Ministers 14 of December 1947 of the year introduced the “Norms of sale of food and industrial goods in one hand”. For example, baked bread - 2 kilograms, cereals, pasta - 1 kilograms, meat and meat products - 1 kilograms, sausages and smoked meats - 0,5 kilograms, sour cream - 0,5 kilograms, milk - 1 liter, sugar - 0,5 kilograms, cotton, bohomes, hums, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, horn, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, horn, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, hops, cotton, horn, cotton, hops, horn, horn, horn, horn, horn, horn, horn, cotton, horn, horn, horn, hNHX, hNHX, kg, hNHMX, lb. , threads - 6 coil, stockings-socks - 1 pairs, leather, textile, rubber shoes - 2 pair for each, household soap - 1 piece, toilet soap - 1 piece, matches - 1 box, kerosene - 2 liter. Restrictions were gradually mitigated or abolished and finally eliminated by order of the USSR Ministry of Trade on 2 August 13. But the decline in prices by that time was already stopped as three and a half years due to the revision of the socio-economic and foreign trade policy in the post-Stalinist USSR (“1958 – 1954. Khrushchev polygons”). According to the head of the Central Staff Department of the USSR Ministry of Finance (in 1955-x - the beginning of 60-x) Zaven Mosesov (70 – 1911), “operational compression as a result of the money supply reform increased the purchasing power of the ruble 1989 times, and retail prices in the next seven years altogether declined by almost half. Foreign opponents were even more struck by the fact that only two years after such a destructive war and 2,5 – 1946 crop failures, the prices of the main types of food were not so much retained as reduced. While Great Britain, which suffered from the war is much smaller than the USSR, and possessed vast colonies, even in the first half of 1947's, the rationing system for mass products and manufactured goods was maintained. ”

We know the opinion of the Minister of Finance of China (in 47-s and mid-30-x) Kun Xiangxi's reform-40: “The leadership of the USSR showed the highest competence in regulating prices and money circulation during the war. As a result, a relatively low level of money depreciation was an important launching pad for monetary reform and lower prices. Of great importance was the fact that in the rear areas the state, by encouraging market trade in food and household items, especially in field cooperation, did not abandon its participation in the supply of the same areas. That prevented price spikes and unmet demand. In short, a comprehensive base was created for the post-war monetary reform in the USSR, which strengthened its financial and economic system. ”

Canadian economist Tom Ransfield noted: “If there had not been a controlled financial and economic situation in the USSR during the war and in the first years after it, the authorities would not have decided on such a large-scale monetary reform. Judging by the price reduction that is planned to be held annually, and other decisions, the reform has an obvious social aspect. Especially important in terms of domestic loans of the military and postwar years. The price reduction also strengthens the commodity value of the new Soviet money. ”

The “removal” of Arseny Zverev began on March 5 of 1953, when he was removed from the candidates for membership in the Presidium of the Central Committee of the party. He was elected to this position on the proposal of Stalin at the plenum of the Central Committee in October 1952, shortly after the XIX Party Congress (Autumn Leader). Zverev actively objected to Khrushchev's economic adventurism, insisting in 1960 on a “one-off” confiscatory monetary reform (carried out in 1961), at raising prices for goods and services, at stopping the repayment of 40 – 50 government loans. As a result, Zverev in May 1960, became a pensioner and professor of the All-Union Correspondence Financial Institute. Opala persisted in the Brezhnev period. True, the ex-minister was nevertheless allowed to bury at the Novodevichy cemetery ...

Everything that Arseny Grigorievich strongly opposed was already implemented in 1960 – 1962. Khrushchev's economic and financial policies created fertile ground for the destruction of the social community and the USSR.
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  1. kipage
    kipage 16 December 2017 15: 57 New
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    In the mind was
    Do not save ...
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 16 December 2017 16: 46 New
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      Quote: squeeze
      Do not save ...

      Doubtful thanks should be said to the corn leader, who is now in the authority of the liberals.
      https://marafonec.livejournal.com/697675.html
      1. MrK
        MrK 16 December 2017 19: 10 New
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        Quote: Pancir026
        Doubtful thanks should be said to the corn leader, who is now in the authority of the liberals.


        And not only. Dmitry Ustinov, Minister of Defense of the USSR, already in the last year of his life, when it was a question of Khrushchev at a meeting of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee on the rehabilitation of V.M. Molotova, G.M. Malenkova, L.M. Kaganovich, said this: “NO ENEMY HAS BROUGHT SO MUCH ADVERSE, HOW MUCH HAS BROUGHT US KHRUSHCHEV WITH ITS POLICY REGARDING OUR PAST PARTY AND STATE, AS WELL AS ABOUT STALIN."
        1. moskowit
          moskowit 16 December 2017 20: 09 New
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          I sincerely recommend the book of A.G. Zverev "Notes of the Minister" or its late interpretation of "Stalin and Money"

          Nevertheless, inflationary pressures, accumulation and circulation of excess money supply in a number of social groups and in a number of regions threatened the country's economy with serious destabilization. And this scenario was all the more necessary to eliminate on the eve of the post-war economic recovery and, accordingly, the new five-year plans for the country's socio-economic development. Therefore, it was necessary to exchange money with a simultaneous increase in their purchasing power. ” As Saburov recalled, Stalin drew attention to these and related issues on the eve of the Battle of Stalingrad.

          Pay attention to the providence and genius of the Leader and the exceptional ability to create a "team" ...
      2. Gopnik
        Gopnik 18 December 2017 12: 04 New
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        Under Khrushchev, hundreds of thousands did not die of hunger, unlike Stalin. Thanks already.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 20 December 2017 22: 55 New
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      Quote: squeeze
      In the mind was
      Do not save ...

      Then one writer wrote: “After the death of Octavian Augustus, the Roman Empire lasted 450 years. After the death of Peter I, the Russian Empire lived for almost 200 years. After the death of Louis XIII and Richelieu, the system they created lasted nearly 150 years. After Stalin's death, both the system and the country fell apart after 38 years, in front of one generation. He is a loser, not a statesman. ”
  2. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 16: 08 New
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    People burned money with mattresses. In each family there were bundles of bonds that were imposed on parents at enterprises. Children often played with them like toy money. There were cantics, brought to school and distributed, scattered bonds. It was impossible to get money on them. Later there was a little excitement , someone received, but not many. So most of the contributions disappeared.
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 16 December 2017 16: 51 New
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      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      People burned money with mattresses

      Well, it’s a direct nightmare .. how did you survive a couple with olgovich .. one mattress of money doesn’t have a gram for the second bread?
      Today's democrats and their media accuse Stalin of a low standard of living. Having emerged from the hardest war unleashed by fascist Germany against the USSR 61 years ago, the USSR was, however, independent, since it had virtually no external debt. At the same time, the USSR did not sell oil, gas, or diamonds to capitalist countries (nor, moreover, human organs to clinics or young women to capitalist brothels).

      Let’s look at the prices of that time. The lowest after 1921-1922. The standard of living in the USSR was in 1946-1947. What prices were in 1947 (the year of monetary reform) for basic foodstuffs and consumer goods, and what they became six years later (in the year of Stalin's death), is clear from the table.

      It must be borne in mind that the food basket developed in 1950 by Soviet scientists was significantly "heavier" than that proposed in 1994 by "democrats" scientists. Prices on collective farm markets in 1953-1955 almost did not differ from state retailers. Those consumers who did not want to queue for cheap products could buy products on the collective farm market with a small overpayment (and sometimes market goods were cheaper), and the products were high-quality, not spoiled by nitrates, not frozen, but fresh.

      Such was the picture right up to the fatal decision of H. S. Khrushchev on the reduction of plots of land for collective farmers in 1959. However, even after that, prices on collective farm markets did not exceed state prices by more than 1,5-2 times. Miners and metallurgists-Stakhanovites received up to 8000 rubles at that time. per month. The salary of the young specialist engineer was 900-1000 rubles, the senior engineer - 1200-1300 rubles. The Secretary of the CPSU District Committee received 1500 rubles a month. The salary of the Union Minister did not exceed 5000 rubles. The purchasing power of 10 rubles for food and consumer goods was 1,58 times higher than the purchasing power of the American dollar (and this is with almost free housing, treatment, rest homes, etc.). http://www.rospisatel.ru/ess.htm
      Name of products and goods / prices in Stalin's rubles 1947/1953

      White bread and bakery products (1 kg) ... 5, 5 rub. / 3 RUB
      Black bread ... 3 rub. / 1 RUB Meat (beef) ... 30 rub. / 12, 5 rub.
      Fish (zander) ... 12 rub. / 7, 1 rub.
      Milk (1 L) ... 3 rub. / 2, 24 rub.
      Butter ... 64 rub. / 27, 8 rub.
      Eggs (ten) ... 12 rub. / 8, 35 rub.
      Refined sugar ... 15 rub. / 9, 4 rub.
      Vegetable oil ... 30 rub. / 17 RUB
      Vodka ... 60 rub. / 22, 8 rub.
      Beer (0, 6 L) ... 5 rub. / 2, 96 rub.
      Bank of crabs ... 20 rub. / 4, 3 rub.
      The car "Victory" ... - / 16000 rub.
      The Moskvich car ... - / 9000 rub.
      Shoes (a pair, on average) ... 260 rub. / 188, 5 rub.
      Chintz (1 m) ... 10, 1 rub. / 6, 1 rub.
      Woolen fabric (1 m) ... 269 rub. / 113 RUB
      Natural silk ... 137 rub. / 100 RUB
      COST OF FOOD BASKET IN MONTH ... 1130 rub. / 510 RUB

      The food basket developed by Soviet scientists in 1950 was significantly heavier than the one proposed by "liberal scientists" in 1994. For example, the norm of bread in 1953 was higher in 1, 7 times, vegetables and melons - in 1, 28, fruits - in 2, 2, meat and meat products - in 1, 25, fish - in 1, 4, milk - in 1, 47, eggs in 2, 5 times.
      “Prices on collective farm markets did not differ much from state retail prices. Those consumers who did not want to queue for cheap products could buy products on the collective farm market with a small overpayment (and sometimes market goods were cheaper), and the products are high-quality, ... fresh. "
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 17: 02 New
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        What are you muttering here?! I convey the words of grandparents living at that time. And your pisulki for the evil one.
        1. avt
          avt 16 December 2017 17: 18 New
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          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          What are you muttering here ?!

          Whistler with a splash. My ancestors completely cut themselves the Stalin bonds and Brezhnev’s times parents taking into account the denomination cashed. True, unlike yours
          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          grandparents living at that time.

          They did not have so many for stuffing mattresses.
          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          People mattresses burned money.
          Like when they came to them with a question - “Where is this Luda?” They started to burn, so as not to answer the question -
          Well, show me your little hands!
          It hurts you have interesting.
          Why did you find so interesting in my little hands?
          Look, Smoked.
          You are not a professor?
          Not a professor.
          Not a writer or a scientist?
          Not a writer or scientist.
          And your hands are white, delicate and smooth.
          Why, one asks?
          Are you silent
          Well, so I will answer.
          Because you did not do anything worthwhile with these hands.
          You lived your 30 years and ate something all the time!
          He drank hard, slept sweetly.
          At that time, a whole nation was hunching at you, shoeing you, and dressing you.
          He fought for you!
          While you were buzzing with your lime hernia in the rear.
          Where did the mattresses full of money come from after the war?
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 17: 22 New
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            do not fool around the memory of ancestors, a foreigner mishandled, you will end badly more than once
            1. avt
              avt 16 December 2017 17: 25 New
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              Quote: pp to Oparyshev
              do not fool around the memory of ancestors,

              What mattresses, not even pillowcases, stuffed with money during the war in exchange for stolen products?
              Quote: pp to Oparyshev
              a foreigner mishandled, you will end badly more than once

              bully Ek flattened that! Know not by eyebrow, but straight into the eye! bully
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 16 December 2017 17: 40 New
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                Do not offend the disease ... Do not you know where the maggots live? from there and horizons with intelligence ..
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    2. antivirus
      antivirus 16 December 2017 21: 28 New
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      to 90 g, many had 3-5 tons each (middle-serving class), BUT TO STORE WITH MATRESSES --- THIS WOW-GO !!!!!!!!!!!
      without any Stalin and Beria repressions -----
      ----- Psychology of peasants (and others from the land, including nomads)
      recognized the upper limit of wealth from physical labor -

      EVERYTHING ELSE IS OVER. "SPECULATOR"
      PEOPLE AND DR, profited, on someone else's hump to enter paradise.
      !!!!!! THIS IS NOT THE COMMUNISTS INVENTED AND PERFECTED THE PEOPLES OF THE USSR, AND THE MANY-AGE PSYCHOLOGY OF PEASANTS (all 120 peoples) and others from a natural household.
      the conditional temporary detention center here is only a fellow traveler - they used it 100 million semi-literate, as they need, how they imagined life and its improvement, and transformation.
      Only this craving was wrapped up a bit in social industrialization, but could we remain in the peasant community (like Indians (?))
    3. speelforce
      speelforce 16 December 2017 22: 32 New
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      Listen maggots - no need to lie. By 1988, I had a grandmother redeemed all the bonds - there were many, a box in the sideboard. She put it on the passbook, in general, she put all the repaid loans on the passbook. By 1991, there were 27000 on one and 3100 on the second. In 1993, six months after her death, I withdrew money, it was bought for her commemoration - a liter of vodka, two liters of juice, a cake, a pack of tea, a kilo of sausage and 5 packs of LM - that's all! It’s good that in the last years before her death, she had a poor idea of ​​what was happening and said dying - I’m quietly leaving, you have a co-operative apartment, a summer house and a car. I loved her and did not persuade her. THERE IS SO MOST DEPOSITS LOST. And not like you lied - a clown.
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 22: 55 New
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        I wrote the same thing, in other words. Apparently the hatred in you is bubbling and covering your eyes with foam. Calm down and read it again.
        1. speelforce
          speelforce 16 December 2017 23: 19 New
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          No, you wrote that they burned and did not value mattresses. Appreciated - how! And they received money on them, even on winning loans (the neighbor in 1981 won the Urals on a hundred-ruble one, using that money to a shred, a bond; they ran around the yard)))) But the new government did not give a damn and robbed everyone.
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 17 December 2017 02: 35 New
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            Not everyone burned, but told that someone burned somewhere. Maybe yours and were smarter. And most of us have profiled bonds.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 17 December 2017 09: 45 New
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            Quote: speelforce
            No, you wrote that they burned and did not value mattresses. Appreciated - how! And they received money on them, even on winning loans (the neighbor in 1981 won the Urals on a hundred-ruble one, using that money to a shred, a bond; they ran around the yard)))) But the new government did not give a damn and robbed everyone.

            The first loans of the USSR were placed in 1922. In the 1930s, a powerful propaganda campaign was launched for a huge number of internal loans among the population, both state (defense, national economic) and local (for the construction of a particular institution). Although loans were called voluntary, in fact, payments were compulsory, on average, a resident of the USSR gave 2-3 salaries a year to state loans. The state during these years received as much from loans as they brought all other taxes and fees from the population. In 1936, the state practically declared default on government loans - bonds of eight percent loans were forcibly exchanged for three percent, the repayment of which was delayed for 20 years.

            Despite the increased patriotism during the difficult war and post-war years, the loans held at that time were less profitable - the intensified general devastation and impoverishment made themselves felt, as did the sagging credit of trust. If during the war soldiers marching around Europe could give out colored paper for Soviet money and exchange goods with ignorant Europeans for them, then after the war pasting of toilets with useless bonds became a mass phenomenon.

            It should be noted that in almost all loans, the theoretical yield on bonds was paid in the form of winnings on the lottery tables published in the central press. Despite the actual devaluation of the ruble at times compared to the time of the loan, indexation was not carried out, and winnings were paid at par.

            By 1957, the deadlines for payments on loans 30 years ago had come, and the Council of Ministers decided to again delay the previously promised payments for another 20 years.

            After the war ended, the loan system could no longer rest on the bare enthusiasm of citizens. The population was impoverished, there was practically no accumulation, private households were ruined. In addition, conversions undermined holders' trust in government bonds. They poured over the walls of the toilets with colored bonds or gave them to children as toys. Nobody believed that the Soviet state would ever fulfill its obligations. The country's leadership again had to return to the forced placement of loans.

            From 1946 to 1957, five circulations of 20-year bonds were issued, the purpose of which was the restoration and development of the national economy. Income on them was paid only in the form of winnings. Two more loans for a period of 26 years were issued in 1947. All of them were actually coercive, although official publications continued to state the opposite.

            “By working closely with government loans, the working people of the USSR demonstrated their moral and political unity, solidarity around the Communist Party and their readiness to actively participate in the construction of communism with their own funds,” read the credit dictionary issued in 1961.

            Despite regular conversions and constant failure to comply with the terms of cancellation of bonds and the procedure for paying interest on them, in the late 1950s there was a situation when the current costs of servicing all issued government loans exceeded the proceeds of the treasury from the placement of new securities.

            Then, in 1957, the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR adopted the decree "On state loans placed by subscription among workers of the Soviet Union", according to which the issue of new loans practically ceased, previously promised payments were again delayed for 20 years, and winning circulations were stopped. Thanks to everybody, you're free!

            “Take, for example, such a fact as measures taken at the initiative of workers in relation to state loans. Millions of Soviet people volunteered for a delay of 20-25 years of payments on old state loans. This fact reveals to us such new character traits, such moral qualities of our people, which are unthinkable in an exploitative system. Nikita Khrushchev, report at the XXI Congress of the CPSU
            1. speelforce
              speelforce 17 December 2017 10: 08 New
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              I even know where you stole this text from.))) And why didn’t I quote further, huh? Thank you all for this, everyone is free; it’s not there - it says something else. What if only to slander?
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 17 December 2017 10: 45 New
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                Quote: speelforce
                I even know where you got this text from.)))

                Well done boy, take a pie from the shelf.
                1. speelforce
                  speelforce 17 December 2017 10: 51 New
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                  Grandson, your pie with nails. Lie further, as empty as you.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 17 December 2017 11: 10 New
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                    Quote: speelforce
                    Lie further

                    Disprove
                    1. speelforce
                      speelforce 17 December 2017 11: 22 New
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                      Why on earth did you prove nothing))) Even your thoughts are not yours, but nevertheless you misinterpreted them. But the text is not yours. This is Bukir "Bonds: accounting in banks and other aspects of work"
                      But what you didn’t complete: - Not - "everyone is free, thank you all", but "In the 1970s, payments on securities still started"
                      Then I got your boring.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 17 December 2017 12: 37 New
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                        Quote: speelforce
                        why on earth - you didn’t prove anything)))

                        So I don’t need to prove anything.
                        Quote: speelforce
                        Even your thoughts are not yours, but nevertheless you misinterpreted them

                        Yes, this is from an Internet, I do not argue, and what lies? Is that the payout started? Yes, partly began in the 70s, but taking into account inflation, it was already essentially penniless ....
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 17 December 2017 09: 41 New
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      Government loan bonds for the population were and will be scammers, for one simple reason - for a colorful candy wrapper you give away the percentage of your earned money for which you can now buy No. of consumer goods. With a bond maturity of even 3 years (this is an almost instantaneous lottery ticket on a national scale) inflation will eat up all the accrued interest and go to zero, and in our realities (even if it's 46-53 years old) they will give you less money than you spent on these bonds
      1. speelforce
        speelforce 17 December 2017 10: 09 New
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        Oh, and good loans)))
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 17 December 2017 10: 26 New
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          Quote: speelforce
          Oh, and good loans)))

          And where are the loans? Do you want to, do you want to, no, what's the problem? By the way, a mortgage is also a loan, now rates have been reduced and many only thanks to mortgages can afford housing.
          1. speelforce
            speelforce 17 December 2017 10: 57 New
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            Yes!!! And I still remember the time when the apartments were given - free of charge to everyone. And here's what I tell you, my parents stood in line for 3 (sic!) Months. And in the old apartment there was plenty of footage, and the toilet was not a communal apartment. But here, as soon as I got bronchitis, they discovered as many as 5 commissions, including the deputy of the USSR Armed Forces, found that increased dampness was to blame - they gave a new building. So tell me about the mortgage and consumer loans in the USSR at 1,5% per annum.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 17 December 2017 11: 12 New
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              Quote: speelforce
              And I still remember the time when the apartments were given - free of charge to everyone.

              Is that right for everyone? My father plowed at a construction site for 10 years to get an apartment.
              You will go to Russia and see to whom and what they gave, half of the country in barracks.
              1. speelforce
                speelforce 17 December 2017 11: 14 New
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                You lie, at a construction site after 5 years they gave. And the fact that half the country is in barracks, so those who allowed it now in power are alive and well.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 17 December 2017 12: 44 New
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                  Quote: speelforce
                  You lie, at a construction site after 5 years they gave

                  Perhaps they were given to the lucky even after 5 years, but not everyone is sure about that.
                  Quote: speelforce
                  You lie, at a construction site after 5 years they gave

                  Are you driving? So it’s your Reds who have driven people into barracks, and it’s your former Communists and Komsomol members who are now in power, have changed their shoes in the air, and in fact they have remained the same people, just like there were poher people now.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 17 December 2017 11: 26 New
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                It was different. My friend got a kopeck piece in 19 for ten years.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 17 December 2017 12: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  It was different. My friend got a kopeck piece in 19 for ten years.

                  Well, most of them stood in line for more than 10 years. According to veterans of the Second World War, the "housing issue" has just been closed.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 17 December 2017 12: 52 New
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                    My dad got three times the living space. Is free.
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 17 December 2017 20: 15 New
                      +1
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      My dad got three times the living space. Is free.

                      Strange that not four
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 10: 11 New
                        +5
                        To tell? First he got a room. Then the apartment is odnushka. Then - four-room.
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 18 December 2017 11: 47 New
                      +2
                      Yes, single, dorm room. Married, at a shared place. After the appearance of the child in the family, it is already a separate apartment. When children of different sexes appear, four-room.
                      1. bedinvlad
                        bedinvlad 21 December 2017 15: 54 New
                        0
                        Three-room, if same-sex then two.
              3. long in stock.
                long in stock. 17 December 2017 13: 26 New
                +9
                it was necessary to thump less. 10 years ... tell tales to others and not to those who saw it with their own eyes. in the queue for housing they could move back because of the jambs in the workplace and for the booze ..
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 17 December 2017 15: 56 New
                  +2
                  Quote: long in stock.
                  it was necessary to thump less. 10 years ... tell tales to others and not to those who saw it with their own eyes. in the queue for housing they could move back because of the jambs in the workplace and for the booze ..

                  Follow the bazaar
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 17 December 2017 19: 05 New
                    +3
                    but the fact that? the boy will be offended? and you go and ask dad for what jambs he moved in turn. just take it and ask ..
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 17 December 2017 20: 13 New
                      +1
                      Quote: long in stock.
                      but the fact that?

                      And that’s all, old man.

                      Quote: long in stock.
                      will the boy take offense?

                      What are you talking about?
          2. free
            free 27 February 2018 18: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: speelforce
            Oh, and good loans)))

            And where are the loans? Do you want to, do you want to, no, what's the problem? By the way, a mortgage is also a loan, now rates have been reduced and many only thanks to mortgages can afford housing.

            And here you are lying. You can’t take a mortgage, you won’t save up. And you’ll have to give the bank one more apartment! So there’s no choice, either a street or a bondage!
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 17 December 2017 09: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      It was impossible to get money from them. Later there was a slight stir, someone received, but not many. Most of the deposits disappeared.

      at the peak of the famine in February-May 1947, virtually the forced placement of the next state bonds was made among the population. People’s appeals to state authorities with a request to return money that could save their families from hunger almost always remained unanswered.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 16 December 2017 16: 26 New
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    At the same time, they were reduced in retail, for example, for bread and flour - by 12 percent, cereals and pasta - by 10 percent, for other everyday goods (food and non-food) - by 10-14 percent.

    All the "decline" occurred due to the "inner colony" of the Russian peasantry. Purchase prices for collective farm products have remained unchanged since the 30s, while the cost of goods for collective farmers has increased constantly, has increased several times.
    Almost 10 times the retail price in grocery stores was higher than the prices at which it bought them from peasants.
    It’s clear that it was possible to lower the price by 10%. But at the same time, sausages, for which prices "went down", disappeared, and "new" varieties, at new prices, an old trick, pledged.
    Taxes on peasants were growing wildly: if in 1940 collective farmers and individual farmers paid the state 2,4 billion rubles. agricultural tax, then in 1952 - already 8,7 billion. This tax increased in 1948 (30% compared with 1947), 1950 (2,5 times) and 1952 (another 15,6%) 63. If in 1940 the average amount of tax from the yard was 112 pUb., then ten years later - already 431, in 1951 - 471, in 1952 -528 rubles.

    Moreover, it was the RUSSIAN peasants who were ripped off: 40% of the collective farms of the Non-Black Earth region did not pay money for three days at all, 30% -4o kopecks. While in Transcaucasia, the Baltic States, Central Asia, many times more (e.g. Tajikistan, for workdays -10 rubles 40 kov.
    Russian peasant, to buy 1 kg of butter, had to work 60 workdays!
    The card system, canceled in 1947, did not concern the main population of the peasant country: they did NOT have cards at all and their food did not bother anyone.

    That was such "stability" - due to the unbridled exploitation of the Russian peasantry: "Man is our debtor" (C)
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 16 December 2017 16: 42 New
      21
      Quote: Olgovich
      All the "decline" occurred due to the "inner colony" of the Russian peasantry.

      Ha..Olgovich perched on another Buridan donkey and began to subvert the former with moans about the allegedly “terrible fate” of the peasantry.
      They asked the peasants, olgovich, or on the asphalt affiliation of the quasi-peasant, all the groans, howl about the horrors that they themselves came up with?
      About modern agriculture, NOT AGRICULTURAL HOLDINGS, is there no desire to talk? Look at the disappeared farms. Villages, fields. There is no desire?
      The Prosecutor General's Office (GP) has identified more than 73 thousand violations of the law in the field of land use from 2014 to 2016. As Izvestia was told in the department, the most violations are in the work of regional officials and representatives of local self-government, who are responsible for transferring agricultural land to ownership or lease. Claims of the GP also concerned federal departments - the Rosselkhoznadzor, Rosreestr, Rosimushchestvo, which exercise state supervision over the use and preservation of agricultural land.

      Prosecutors have already made 16,2 thousand submissions to eliminate violations, more than 11 thousand lawsuits and petitions have been sent to the courts. 12 thousand officials were brought to disciplinary and administrative responsibility, 146 criminal cases were opened, Izvestia was told in the state enterprise. https://iz.ru/news/659472
      And there is no desire to answer for this, Mr. asphalt peasant of the peasantry, Solzhenitsyn’s dubious laurels do not give rest?
      According to the Ministry of Regional Development of the Russian Federation, since 1990, 23000 thousand settlements have disappeared in the country, 20000 of which are villages and towns.

      The reduction in the number of villages and urban-type settlements began in 1989. Between 1989 and 2002, the number of settlements decreased from 3230 to 2940. After 2002, urban settlements continued to disappear. By 2005, their number was reduced by another 380 settlements.

      The number of villages and villages without a population increased from 13000 in 2002 to 19000 in 2010. Their highest share was recorded in Kostroma, Tver, Yaroslavl, Vologda, Pskov, Kirov and Magadan regions. Https://svpressa.ru/society/article/4678
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      1. Operator
        Operator 16 December 2017 16: 52 New
        +3
        Glory to you, Lord, that the class of the peasantry (the bearer of the idiocy of rural life) is finally coming to naught in Russia.
        1. Settlement Oparyshev
          Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 17: 05 New
          +5
          The main working class, as the bearer of the revolution, has been destroyed in the bud.
          1. Operator
            Operator 16 December 2017 18: 53 New
            +1
            In Russia, the liquidation of the proletariat has not yet occurred and is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future - among the most economically developed USA in the 1970s, the middle class reached two-thirds of the population, the working class declined to one-third. Since then, this proportion has not changed.

            The working class will disappear (reduce to a few percent) only after continuous robotics of industry. At the same time, the importance of China with its one billion biorobots will drop to zero.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 17 December 2017 09: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: Operator
              In Russia, the liquidation of the proletariat has not yet occurred and is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future.

              In Russia, the working class is migrants from Central Asia
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 17 December 2017 09: 45 New
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                Quote: RUSS
                In Russia, the working class is migrants from Central Asia

                Pilots, machinists el. trains operators (GYYY laughing laughing laughing ) CNC and others like that - also, perhaps, "from Central Asia"?
                Allow doubt yes
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 17 December 2017 10: 15 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Pilots, machinists el. trains, operators (GYYY), CNC, and others like that, too, "from Central Asia"?
                  Allow doubt

                  Pilots massively dumped in China, about the machinists then all the Russians are there, but what is their number as a percentage of the total number of the so-called "working class"? Citizens of Belarus and Ukraine are also taken to CNC operators, I know the production where young people work on machines mainly from the Donbass.
              2. long in stock.
                long in stock. 17 December 2017 10: 15 New
                11
                it’s in your head that the migration is happening ... I advise you to go on a field trip somehow to the factory .. not only to sausage but where they have to deal with iron. so come?
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 17 December 2017 10: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: long in stock.
                  . I advise you to go on a field trip somehow to the factory.

                  You can give advice to your wife, to all others only recommendations.
                  I do not claim that migrants work mainly in factories, but in most production it is they who, apart from the defense industry, and other high-tech factories.
                  1. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 17 December 2017 15: 35 New
                    +9
                    Quote: RUSS
                    I do not claim that migrants work mainly in factories, but in most production it is they who, apart from the defense industry, and other high-tech factories.

                    Not tired of lying?
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 17 December 2017 16: 01 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      Not tired of lying?

                      In my city, migrants work at a dairy factory, a garment factory, a corrugated packaging factory, etc., the rest are Russians, but basically already in adulthood I think the appearance of migrants is not far off
                      1. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 17 December 2017 19: 54 New
                        +2
                        Quote: RUSS
                        In my city, migrants work at a dairy factory, a garment factory, a corrugated packaging factory, etc.

                        Name the city.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 17 December 2017 13: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              The working class will disappear (reduce to a few percent) only after continuous robotics of industry. At the same time, the importance of China with its one billion biorobots will drop to zero.

              In Russia, it is easier to hire cheap labor for production than to invest in modernization, and even more so in robotics.
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 17 December 2017 15: 38 New
                +7
                Quote: RUSS
                In Russia, it is easier to hire cheap labor for production than to invest in modernization, and even more so in robotics.

                There’s no need for you, neither for production, nor for automation with robots, both here and there, vanity alone and protest from your kind.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 17 December 2017 16: 02 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Pancir026
                  There’s no need for you, neither for production, nor for automation with robots, both here and there, vanity alone and protest from your kind.

                  I don’t even need production, but production needs modernization.
                  1. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 17 December 2017 19: 55 New
                    +3
                    Quote: RUSS
                    I don’t even need production, but production needs modernization.

                    Without you and your kind.
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          3. free
            free 27 February 2018 18: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: pp to Oparyshev
            The main working class, as the bearer of the revolution, has been destroyed in the bud.

            But to hell with you all over!  tongue
        2. Anyone
          Anyone 17 December 2017 02: 12 New
          +7
          And why are you so annoyed by the existence of peasants? Do you have any traumatic experiences associated with the peasantry?
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 17 December 2017 09: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: Operator
          Glory to you, Lord, that the class of the peasantry (the bearer of the idiocy of rural life) is finally coming to naught in Russia.

          I don’t even know how to comment on such nonsense?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 17 December 2017 09: 46 New
            12
            Quote: RUSS
            I don’t even know how to comment on such nonsense?

            A person in a parallel universe lives.
            Hammer in request
        4. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 December 2017 10: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: Operator
          Glory to you, Lord, that the class of the peasantry (the bearer of the idiocy of rural life) is finally disappearing in Russia too

          Russia is the peasantry. The peasantry of historical Russia-Non-Black Earth. It was it that created the millennial RUSSIA.
          You almost ruined it and, accordingly, Russia is tight.
          1. Operator
            Operator 17 December 2017 10: 21 New
            +5
            Russia was peasant, now it has become urban - but from this it did not cease to be Russia.

            With the exception of those who were especially turned on the peasantry - such as "city rockets are on us, we will throw the adversaries with rural bast shoes."
            Such must be forcibly deported to the rural outback bully
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 17 December 2017 11: 36 New
              +3
              read-laughed.
              BUT-- SPACES SHOULD BE MONITORED.
              EVERYWHERE NEEDS ITS PEOPLE.
              Although cosmonauts, milk and radish must be at these cosmonauts, without hypermarkets.
              POWERS HAS BEEN TAKEN BY THE PEASANTS !!!!!!!! IN THE SVERDLOVSK REGION !!!!!!!!!
              NOW ON 2 T KM Special Forces to drive ...
              A TOMORROW AND FROM KAZAN TO IRKUTSK, THE RACE WILL BE CONVENIENT. WITHOUT LOCAL RESIDENTS
          2. Pancir026
            Pancir026 17 December 2017 15: 40 New
            +8
            Quote: Olgovich
            Russia is the peasantry. The peasantry of historical Russia-Non-Black Earth. It was it that created the millennial RUSSIA.
            You almost ruined it and, accordingly, Russia is tight.

            olgovich, when did you write this pearl. did you exist in what parallel reality and what did you bite. when did you write it?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 18 December 2017 09: 33 New
              +4
              Quote: Pancir026
              olgovich, when did you write this pearl. did you exist in what parallel reality and what did you bite. when did you write it?


              Learn the history of the homeland. And -bright.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 December 2017 10: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Pancir026
        Ha..Olgovich perched on another buridan donkey and began to subvert the former with groans about the allegedly "terrible fate" of the peasantry.

        Wait, wait, I didn’t touch you! request
        Figures of the "Terrible" position of the peasants, WILD tax increases, are given.
        What are the tax cut figures for them? fool


        Quote: Pancir026
        The Prosecutor General's Office (GP) has identified more than 73 thousand violations of the law in the field of land use from 2014 to 2016.

        Flood.
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 17 December 2017 15: 44 New
          +9
          Quote: Olgovich
          Flood.

          Do you? Sure and always.
          Where do you get the fake and rumors, passing them off as your thoughts?
          Or is it your job. To lie always. Everywhere and in everything?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 December 2017 09: 40 New
            +3
            Quote: Pancir026
            You?.

            Finally, learn the section PERSONAL LOCATIONS so as not to ask this ith question through a comment.
            Quote: Pancir026
            Where do you get the fake and rumors, passing them off as your thoughts?

            STATISTICS Soviet, and initially embellished, and still the picture is terrible.
            You refute, refute, with the same NUMBERS.
            NOT- lol can lol ? Not no lol -can
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 18 December 2017 09: 44 New
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              You can not ? No you can not

              Flood That's right, nothing more is available to you than to show your own level of argumentation and the ability to give out something in rock painting, as a demonstration of the anti-Soviet and Russophobic position.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 18 December 2017 11: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Pancir026
                Flood That's right, nothing more is available to you than to show your own level of argumentation and the ability to give out something in rock painting, as a demonstration of the anti-Soviet and Russophobic position.

                Again yours chatter in response to the FACTS.
                Boring you. ...
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 18 December 2017 18: 52 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  chatter

                  This is what you always do here.
      3. avva2012
        avva2012 18 December 2017 05: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Pancir026 According to the Ministry of Regional Development of the Russian Federation, since 1990 of the year 23000 of thousands of settlements have disappeared in the country, 20000 of this number are villages and towns. The reduction in the number of villages and urban-type settlements began in the 1989 year. Between 1989 and 2002, the number of settlements decreased from 3230 to 2940. After 2002, urban settlements continued to disappear. By 2005, their number was reduced by another 380 settlements. The number of villages and villages without a population increased from 13000 in 2002 to 19000 in 2010.

        "In total, during the years of the war, 1710 cities and more than 70 thousand villages and villages were destroyed on Soviet territory." Democratic power, the Germans during the Second World War, without any war catches up?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 18 December 2017 09: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: avva2012
          since 1990, 23000 thousand settlements have disappeared in the country,

          К 1985 year only in the Non-Black Earth region disappeared 60 000 villages out of 180 thousand, stood empty half a million apartment buildings with hundreds of thousands of hectares of arable land with them.
          And this is only Non-Black Earth!
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 18 December 2017 10: 13 New
            +4
            Horror! And, those people just disappeared as in 90-2000? Chipped, drank, buried in shallow graves along forest belts and with a load on their feet in rivers, stinks? Olgovich, start fighting reflexes, think about what you write.
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 18 December 2017 10: 17 New
              +3
              if olgovich starts to think, the sun will fall in place ...
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 18 December 2017 10: 35 New
                +4
                Well, Olgovich, still a man, what if it happens? Although the sun is still more important.
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 19 December 2017 06: 08 New
                  +1
                  I can’t agree with you. A person and a humanoid are not the same thing .. Well, I’m not a doctor. I can be not kind ..
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 18 December 2017 11: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: avva2012
          Horror! And, those people just disappeared as in 90-2000? Chipped, drank, buried in shallow graves along forest belts and with a load on their feet in rivers, stinks? Olgovich, start fighting reflexes, think about what you write.

          Horror, of course. The non-chernozem region, the heart of Russia, in just 50 years after11917, turned from the land where it was FIGHTED over a piece of land, into an empty land, where they fled from the land by legal and illegal means.
          The extinction of Russian-started with 1964 years.
          These are all FACTS, but in response you have only reflexes (all lies, everything is untrue, etc.)
          This is because of the fear of looking FACTS in the eye.
          Fight with them! hi
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 19 December 2017 09: 15 New
            +2
            turned from the edge, where fight for a piece of land

            Olgovich, do you yourself understand what you write? Do you understand the difference between that time and this? Sad if not.
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 19 December 2017 14: 13 New
              +2
              his task is not to understand .. his task is to believe ...
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 20 December 2017 06: 55 New
                +4
                It seems that he needs to assure himself that he is writing.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 December 2017 07: 12 New
              0
              Quote: avva2012
              turned from the edge, where fight for a piece of land

              Olgovich, do you yourself understand what you write? Do you understand the difference between that time and this? Sad if not.

              I bring the FACTS of that time, and this. Unsightly facts of this time. Which you are NOT able to either refute or challenge. You don't even know them! And you don’t want to know, because you are scared.
              It’s scary to realize that we lived in a made-up world that turned out to be quite different ....
              Prove the converse. Can you? No
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 20 December 2017 07: 56 New
                +5
                Olgovich looked at Wikipedia, which means "live in a fantasy world." It turns out interestingly, but it turns out that you live in it (oneeroid?). Moreover, obviously, some problems with higher nervous activity are revealed. You cannot compare the cause and effect, and also, you have difficulties with analysis and synthesis. If your statements were true, then the territory of the USSR was like a lunar landscape, and I would communicate with you through a spiritualistic session. I understand that you do not analyze the information, because, for you, the main thing is to bite a larger piece of rotten meat in the form of another anti-Soviet dish, but then count the victims yourself, YOUR famines, executions, who died in the Second World War and compare with the figures of the inhabitants of the USSR . It seems to me that even the Solzhenitsin will have smaller numbers.
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 20 December 2017 16: 44 New
                  +2
                  Quote: avva2012
                  It seems to me that even the Solzhenitsin will have smaller numbers.

                  An old gramophone, on a plucked record. Each time, hissing gives out more, creaks, interference, falsehood in which the melody is lost, the role of the olgovichs is just that.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 21 December 2017 04: 39 New
                    +2
                    This is precisely noticed! But on the basis of motherhood, just by association, I remembered: "From the dead head, the coffin snake, hissing, meanwhile, crawled out."
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 December 2017 11: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    An old gramophone, on a plucked record. Each time, hissing gives out more, creaks, interference, falsehood in which the melody is lost, the role of the olgovichs is just that.

                    you already, practically, are not present - the election results speak about this. And only all the weakening and weakening cry of despair and powerlessness-with difficulty comes from the disappeared past ....
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 21 December 2017 16: 29 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      the weakening and weakening cry of despair and powerlessness is hardly heard from the disappeared past

                      Are you talking about yourself, the descendants of the Vlasovites, other services to the enemy, as well as all sorts of monarchists?
                      Yes, the thorn is weaker, the squealing and whining is pitiable, there are no facts. The argument is on the verge of what is called -sophiophobia in medicine, plus graphomania.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 23 December 2017 08: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Are you talking about yourself, the descendants of the Vlasovites, other services to the enemy, as well as all sorts of monarchists?

                        For the nth time, LEARN the same "Personal pronouns", a descendant of Apfelbaums, Goldstein and other adolfs !!
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        and, the thorn is weaker, the squealing and whining is pitiable, there are no facts. the argument is on the verge of what is called -sophiophobia in medicine, plus graphomania.

                        You can not be heard, forever gone past lol yes
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 December 2017 11: 44 New
                  0
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Olgovich looked at Wikipedia, which means "live in a fantasy world." It turns out interestingly, but it turns out that you live in it (oneeroid?). Moreover, obviously, some problems with higher nervous activity are revealed. You cannot compare the cause and effect, and also, you have difficulties with analysis and synthesis. If your statements were true, then the territory of the USSR was like a lunar landscape, and I would communicate with you through a spiritualistic session. I understand that you do not analyze the information, because, for you, the main thing is to bite a larger piece of rotten meat in the form of another anti-Soviet dish, but then count the victims yourself, YOUR famines, executions, who died in the Second World War and compare with the figures of the inhabitants of the USSR . It seems to me that even the Solzhenitsin will have smaller numbers.

                  Again empty chatter — in response to FACTS and FIGURES. That is, an ordinary flood.
                  The extinction and robbery of the Non-Earthlands and, in general, the Russian peasantry with you is FACT, the extinction of the Russian people with you is FACT.
                  And in your headquarters, "Kuban Cossacks." Pity you.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 21 December 2017 11: 53 New
                    +2
                    Beautiful picture, kind, honest. Take pity on yourself if you have a “Shtrafbat” in your head.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 21 December 2017 14: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Beautiful picture, kind, honest.

                      Falling ....
                      She starred in 1949. And in 1946-1948 in the Kuban was scary hunger.
                      You don't know that either? And what then do you generally know about the history of our country?
                      It seems like NOTHING.
                      But judgments are a bunch. request
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 22 December 2017 03: 22 New
                        +1
                        But judgments are a bunch.

                        This, you to yourself? For you, everything, a bunch. zhzhzhzhzhzh
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 December 2017 10: 05 New
                      0
                      Quote: avva2012
                      This, you to yourself?

                      And I advise you to learn the Russian grammar section "Personal pronouns" - to avoid stupid questions. / B]
                      Quote: avva2012
                      For you, everything, a bunch. zhzhzhzhzhzh

                      Not everything, but only yours-a bunch of "judgments", if you already understand more clearly on [b] such
                      language
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 22 December 2017 18: 31 New
                        0
                        Tie with advice, you're an anti-adviser. And take, nevertheless, a calculator, open the links that you use, and count the number of "ruined by the bloody regime." Count, then you will understand, maybe what kind of heap.
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 23 December 2017 09: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Tie with advice, you're an anti-adviser.

                      Good advice! Imagine: you are constantly asked a hundred times by badenza, armor and Ava: “Are you talking about yourself?”, Despite the present pronoun YOU. Epidemic! lol Are you a veterinarian and AGAINST treating the disease? belay request
                      Quote: avva2012
                      And take, nevertheless, a calculator, open the links that you use, and count the number of "ruined by the bloody regime." Count, then you will understand, maybe what kind of heap.

                      Only about 10% of the country's population died of starvation, dispossession-600 thousand of the dead (most of them were children), 37-38y: 680-72 of thousands of killed, more than a million killed in the camps, deportations ... These are DIRECT losses, and how many indirect ones are the same extinction of Russians since 1964, etc. WHERE else in the world was similar and on such a scale? Nowhere and never! ..
                      Here are such "Kuban Cossacks."
                      Read the docs State Duma of Russia и The laws of Russia about the rehabilitation and condemnation of those orders with which I completely agree.
                      PS when will you give, finally, SPECIFIC figures and facts refuting me? You facts, you-a bunch yes -Sentences, you numbers-you-empty-heaps-razgolovaniyah. You can’t, yes. For you do not have them.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 25 December 2017 04: 13 New
                        +1
                        Good advice!

                        From you, "good" ???? Can a man who hates the former homeland give good advice?
                        Are you a veterinarian and AGAINST treating the disease?

                        Well, if your population is treated like cattle, which means that the services are provided by veterinarians, then in Russia, so far, doctors treat people. (from a great mind, apparently so tough laughing pinned up).
                        PS when will you give, finally, SPECIFIC figures and facts refuting me? You facts, you-a bunch of maxim, you numbers-you-empty-heaps-razgolovaniyah. You can’t, yes. For you do not have them.

                        Olgovich, well, really, they don’t know the price? Do you really hope that they will talk seriously with you, as with an adult? Really, you are more naive than you seem.
                        “If Stalin was given another ten to fifteen years, Russia would become the most powerful state in the world and it would take two or three centuries to change the state of things. This is a unique phenomenon! He raised the standard of living - and there is no doubt about it; no one in Russia no longer starving. Plants were built where only a few villages existed a couple of years ago, and plants, notice, are as large as the plants of Hermann Goering. They built railways that are not yet on our maps "A. Hitler.
                        Even the possessed Führer understood something, unlike you, Olgovich.
                    4. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 25 December 2017 09: 50 New
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                      Quote: avva2012
                      From you, "good" ???? Hating man the former Homeland, can give good advice?

                      Kind, of course: what's wrong with learning to board?
                      This is for you - the former , but for me it was and is eternal Russia-the best country in the world
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Well, if your population is treated like cattle, which means that the services are provided by veterinarians, then in Russia, so far, doctors treat people. (from a great mind, apparently, so stiffly pricked).

                      DOCTOR-Veterinary-worthy profession. What's wrong? request Somehow you mentioned cats-dogs ... Such a "resentment", yes .... request
                      Quote: avva2012
                      lgovic, do you really know the price? Do you really hope that they will talk seriously with you, as with an adult? Really, you are more naive than you seem.

                      ONCE AGAIN: when will you finally give SPECIFIC figures and facts refuting me?
                      But you just- NOT, um, CAN lol . My figures are justified by sources, you do NOT have them at all. Instead, it’s empty, excuse me, chatter. How so can argue? request request
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Even the possessed Führer understood something, unlike you, Olgovich.

                      The Führer is authority for you ?! Person ,managed EVERYTHING: forecasts, politics, conclusions, wars? ! belay There are no words ....
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 December 2017 03: 47 New
                        +1
                        Fuhrer, he is your authority. He led all the anti-Bolshevik forces of the Western, civilized world, and you, as an anti-Soviet, according to the laws of logic, are part of them. I don’t understand why, do you mind, why are you refusing? Well, judge for yourself how Hitler’s anti-adviser differs from Shukhevych’s anti-adviser, and both of them from any other anti-adviser? The differences are only in the scale of what can be called a personality.
                        . Such a "resentment", yes ....

                        No, Olgovich, people like you are not offended.
                    5. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 26 December 2017 09: 25 New
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Fuhrer, he is your authority.

                      YOU quote and reverence HIS opinion, and he is authority for ME ?! lol fool
                      Quote: avva2012
                      He led all the anti-Bolshevik forces of the Western, civilized world, and you, as an anti-Soviet, according to the laws of logic, are part of them.

                      Look at the list of countries - the anti-Hitler coalition - this will help you fill in at least one gap (although all your "knowledge" is a solid gap).
                      About your so-called "Logic: Hitler was a vegetarian, but not all veggarian enemies.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Well, judge for yourself how Hitler’s anti-adviser differs from Shukhevych’s anti-adviser, and both of them from any other anti-adviser?

                      Hitler and Shukhevych are the enemies of Russia and, defending their homeland, people defended, first of all, RUSSIA, and not power: just as they did THOUSAND years before you and do after you (see from “The Tale of Bygone Years”, “A Word About Igor’s regiment "and before the Syrian events). And for that power, he did not stand up, a little later, no one. Does it come?
                      Quote: avva2012
                      No, Olgovich, on people like you not offended.

                      Why so much idle talk, since "not"? request
                      You, in addition to the so-called "common sense" (which, judging by the lack of elementary knowledge, is far from common), there are no counterarguments.
                      Rt
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 December 2017 09: 33 New
                        0
                        Hitler and Shukhevych are enemies of Russia and, defending their homeland, people defended, first of all, RUSSIA, and not power

                        Yah. An example of PMV is not an indicator.
                        Why so much idle talk, since "not"?

                        You are funny.
                    6. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 26 December 2017 14: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Yah. An example of PMV is not an indicator.

                      Well yes. If it were not for the Russian army in the Second World War, which saved the country from your friends, the German occupiers, you would have washed their feet today
                      Quote: avva2012
                      You are funny.

                      You are not. You are illiterate and therefore simply boring.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 27 December 2017 06: 28 New
                        0
                        Olgovich, for saying about friends-occupiers, can you imagine what they are doing in a decent society? And in the situation of the Internet, provoke a ban? Ok, let it be with you. Reite further on your heaps.
                    7. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 December 2017 11: 30 New
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Olgovich, for saying about friends-occupiers, can you imagine what they are doing in a decent society? And in the situation of the Internet, provoke a ban? Ok, let it be with you. Reite further on your heaps.

                      In fact, comrade Avva, you are approving the betrayal carried out by your idols in Brest, a friend of those invaders. They gave them a third of the country, gold, etc. This is who did-enemies occupiers? belay fool
                  2. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 21 December 2017 16: 37 New
                    +1
                    [I]
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    The extinction and robbery of the Non-Earthlands and, in general, the Russian peasantry with you is FACT, the extinction of the Russian people with you is FACT.

                    This is your phobia. You should contact a specialist of the appropriate profile.
                    And at the expense of the population. LSTRIALIZATION entails URBANIZATION. And as a consequence of this, the outflow of the population from village to city.
                    But this rule does not work with the model of savage capitalism at the stage of liberal killing of society, everything dies out, both the city and the village. That your idols from Chubais to all yaks with curls and other guides were clearly shown in the period from 1992 to almost the present.
                    Who will be responsible for this, Mr. Sufferer of the peasantry-The reduction in the number of villages and urban-type settlements began in 1989. Between 1989 and 2002, the number of settlements decreased from 3230 to 2940. After 2002, urban settlements continued to disappear. By 2005, their number was reduced by another 380 settlements.

                    The number of villages and villages without a population increased from 13000 in 2002 to 19000 in 2010. Their highest share was recorded in Kostroma, Tver, Yaroslavl, Vologda, Pskov, Kirov and Magadan regions. Https://svpressa.ru/society/article/4678
                    8/
                    As a result of the 2010 All-Russian Population Census
                    it was found that 12,7% of rural settlements at that time were
                    not populated, that is, almost 19,5 thousand Russian villages existed
                    on the map, but in fact have already been abandoned.
                    A significant proportion of all rural settlements are
                    small villages: in more than half of all rural settlements
                    points (54% or about 82,8 thousand settlements) live from 1
                    up to 100 people. Only in 5% of rural settlements (about 7,8 thousand
                    rural areas) population exceeds 1000
                    human.
                    The largest number of uninhabited rural areas in
                    As a result of the 2010 census, it was found in the Northwestern Federal District and the Central Federal District - so, in
                    NWFD turned out to be a fifth of all villages.
                    You are for this. Mr. liar and false sufferer. For the peasantry. Do not want to answer?
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 December 2017 10: 22 New
                      0
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      This is your phobia. You should contact a specialist of the appropriate profile.

                      My friend, you again refuse YOUR own links ?! lol fool
                      YOU gave me a link about the extinction of Russians since 1964. yes
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      And at the expense of the population. LSTRIALIZATION entails URBANIZATION. And as a consequence of this, the outflow of the population from village to city.

                      But who will develop the vast territory of the CTO? In 1920, density in Belgium 283 person / km2., in Russia-9 h / km2. . Those. both rural and urban were to grow. And what have you done?
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      Who is responsible for this, Mr. Sufferer of the peasantry-The reduction in the number of villages and urban-type settlements began in 1989

                      Ignorant you: to 1985 of the 180 thousand villages, only the Non-Black Earth region disappeared 60 thousands-THIRD! MILLION empty houses! Massive DRAFT from the village throughout your power. What have you done?!
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      You are for this. Mr. liar and false sufferer. For the peasantry. Do not want to answer?

                      You SO destroyed everything in the course of 74 years, which was almost impossible to stop, there were no more people ...
                      1. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 22 December 2017 12: 48 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        almost impossible, people are gone ...

                        Are you talking about your liberals again since 1992?
                        You need to read the links carefully, without pulling out from there the fact that you are so cute, the conclusions there are completely different.
                        In general, Mr. liar, you are not interested, due to your limited nature and zashorennost on the subject of filth and crap on the history of Russia.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 23 December 2017 07: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      Are you talking about your liberals again since 1992?
                      You need to read the links carefully, without pulling out from there the fact that you are so cute, the conclusions there are completely different.
                      In general, Mr. liar, you are not interested, due to your limited nature and zashorennost on the subject of filth and crap on the history of Russia.

                      Oh YOU 1917, my friend!
                      The extinction and devastation of Russia -for raising the "endangered" peoples of the country and the whole world, YOU did.
                      The conclusions of the article are mine.
                      You don’t know the history of Russia; you hate it, like Russia itself, i.e. Russophobe of pure water.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 16 December 2017 16: 43 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      while the value of goods for collective farmers increased constantly

      You want to say that under Stalin, peasants were not allowed into city shops?

      Quote: Olgovich
      40% of the collective farms of the Non-Black Earth region did not pay money for workdays AT ALL

      You want to say that 40% of the peasants under Stalin went naked because wasn’t that even buying underpants?
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 16 December 2017 17: 43 New
        18
        Of course you didn’t know? but under the tsar the peasants were syruping and walking in red boots ... well, at least olgovich had such a picture in an inflamed brain ...
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 December 2017 10: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        You want to say that 40% of the peasants under Stalin went naked because wasn’t that even buying underpants?

        Almost so. To buy a suit, the Russian peasant had to work out a YEAR!
        In the light of the STATISTICAL data I have given, your table looks wretched and pathetic: to rob and keep tens of millions in a black body to make a show.
        Which, by the way, ended with wild thousandth lines of goods, there were no more.
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 17 December 2017 15: 47 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          To buy a suit, the Russian peasant had to work out a YEAR!

          In tsarist Russia? A year is not enough.
          In the USSR? Fullness to lie, dear. The farmer Golovaty. Did not know. That he earns a lot. When he bought a fighter.
          The collective farmers of the Tambov region were the first to begin raising funds for the construction of military equipment. Within 2 weeks they collected 43 million rubles!

          Workers in the Saratov region contributed over 33 million rubles to the construction of aircraft. With this money, dozens of aircraft were built on which the best pilots of the fronts flew. 222 million were transferred to aviation plants for the production of military vehicles by the collective farmers of the Novosibirsk region. This truly popular initiative was picked up by the working people of the republics and regions, districts and cities, enterprises and organizations. Airplanes for the front were acquired by the collective farmers of the Gorky, Kursk, Kuibyshev, Ivanovo and other regions. Squadrons of Kirov collective farmer, Soviet Primorye, Moscow collective farmer, Ryazan collective farmer, Kuybyshev collective farmer and others arrived at the aviation units.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 December 2017 10: 02 New
            +3
            Quote: Pancir026
            In tsarist Russia? A year is not enough.

            In SOVIET Russia, blessed 1952: we have to work on a suit for a year, 60 workdays per 1 kg of oil.
            Quote: Pancir026
            Workers in the Saratov region contributed over 33 million rubles to the construction of aircraft.

            In the war, people gave last thing-for Victory!
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 18 December 2017 10: 03 New
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              In the war, people gave the last, for Victory!

              People yes, but not you. You like you were on the other side.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 18 December 2017 11: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: Pancir026
                People yes, but not you. You like you were on the other side.

                You would be the faithful henchman of the brigade commissar-communist Zhilenkov (aka Lieutenant General KONR) yes
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 18 December 2017 11: 56 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Zhilenkov (aka Lieutenant General KONR)

                  Are you describing your secret desires? True, you would have served there.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 December 2017 13: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Are you describing your secret desires?

                    AGAIN I am addressing you to the section of the Russian language grammar "PERSONAL LOCATIONS". Learn at last! am
                    And then you already in EVERY comments ask again: "You?" "You?". fool lol
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 18 December 2017 13: 27 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Learn at last!

                      Not for you to teach us.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 18 December 2017 13: 55 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Learn at last!

                        Not for you to teach us.

                        US.
                      2. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 18 December 2017 18: 55 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        US.

                        All that remains for you is unseemly fuss, gossip, souls and lies.
                        5 years ago, there were a lot of you here, they shouted and buzzed heart-rendingly, now. Alas, for you like, there really aren't any leftovers like you. They cause frank laughter, in essence your pearls.
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 20 December 2017 07: 20 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        All that remains for you is unseemly fuss, gossip, souls and lies.
                        5 years ago, there were a lot of you here, they shouted and buzzed heart-rendingly, now. Alas, for you like, there really aren't any leftovers like you. They cause frank laughter, in essence your pearls.

                        The Communist Party lost in the Duma 50 votes out of 90 in just 4 years!
                        Most, no, and the rest, far ...
      3. free
        free 27 February 2018 18: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Olgovich
        while the value of goods for collective farmers increased constantly

        You want to say that under Stalin, peasants were not allowed into city shops?

        Quote: Olgovich
        40% of the collective farms of the Non-Black Earth region did not pay money for workdays AT ALL

        You want to say that 40% of the peasants under Stalin went naked because wasn’t that even buying underpants?

        Boris! What happened to you?
    3. long in stock.
      long in stock. 16 December 2017 17: 38 New
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      and here’s our regular yap ... it’s up to you, man, what’s your business, shining? man with motherhood ... that’s scary.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 December 2017 10: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: long in stock.
        and here’s our regular yap ... it’s up to you, man, what’s your business, shining? man with motherhood ... that’s scary.

        I remind you, t. Long ago in lol , I do NOT communicate with you, because You can’t talk NORMALLY.
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 17 December 2017 15: 49 New
          10
          Quote: Olgovich
          , I do NOT communicate with you, because You can’t talk NORMALLY.

          So you don’t talk. You’re constantly lying, who wants to talk with you, only, reacting to your libel, put a counterargument, and then self-respecting people note how much lies in each of your comments.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 December 2017 10: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Pancir026
            So you don’t talk. You’re constantly lying, who wants to talk with you, only, reacting to your libel, put a counterargument, and then self-respecting people note how much lies in each of your comments.

            I quote FACTS and FIGURES that you are NOT capable of refuting in anything but long boring lamentations about "lies."
            You boring tsifirki refute the same tsifirki: short and clear. But you are not lol able.
        2. long in stock.
          long in stock. 17 December 2017 18: 57 New
          +8
          I remind you, they normally talk with people. With yap and liar, in decent places they talk with a shandal on the head ... fellow
        3. Hantengri
          Hantengri 17 December 2017 19: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          I remind you, t. For a long time in, I do NOT communicate with you, tk. You can’t talk NORMALLY.

          I look, offended, you’re not talking much with anyone here! laughing Apparently, not only is it difficult for me to “NORMALLY” (c) talk to you. You, in fact, if you are not lying to the impudent, you are lying, if you are not lying, then you are hiding the source of information, heroically, as if you, the bloody Stalin personally interrogates lol , then the interest "in Moldavian" you think that the "uzhos" seemed even worse than that ... Well, how about this ... (about the "guano" you, I hope, remember) to talk normally?
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        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 17 December 2017 19: 09 New
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          I remind you: I don’t communicate with you

          And don't talk! Resentment, after all, is the problem of the offended. I, here, communicate with you. Do not like it - hang yourself!
          Quote: Olgovich
          (Your guano-excrement, etc. caused persistent squeamishness to the boors (hans)

          Olgovich, you recall what date, what month was about the "guano"? To remind you how much time you, after that, had a great conversation with me? You should be reminded after what my comment, which was extremely inconvenient for you, did you “suddenly” remember that you were mortally offended? lol I can, Olgovich ... I, though a boor (I admit), but not vindictive. I am simply very angry and my memory is good! To begin?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 December 2017 12: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: HanTengri
            And don't talk! Resentment, after all, is the problem of the offended.

            Resentment WHAT ?! belay . Do you take offense, for example, on a pillar? No?
            Well, see ... yes
            I -squeamish (if the difference between these concepts in the Russian language is available to you, which is unlikely). You-swindler, plus other your (repeated) arguments with belted accent. Why should this be liked, and even answered? request
            Can I answer in the same way? Of course I can. But disgusting and disgusted, you know. Yes, and uninteresting. Like for most normal people. What for? request
            But you do not grieve! yes
            But you have a worthy company from the same swindler Curiez, a lover of the below-mentioned arguments “Long ago in: lol”: they will perfectly understand you, you are operating with the same “expressions”, in the same “language”! lol

            Me, get rid of your intrusive, obsessiveabout communication. hi
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 18 December 2017 18: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: Olgovich
              Me, get rid of your annoying, intrusive communication.

              Hang yourself! laughing
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 19 December 2017 09: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: HanTengri
                Quote: Olgovich
                Me, get rid of your annoying, intrusive communication.

                Hang yourself! laughing

                Phi! fool
            2. Hantengri
              Hantengri 18 December 2017 20: 16 New
              +3
              And by the way, regarding:
              Quote: Olgovich
              You are a swindler, plus other your (repeated) arguments with a belly accent.

              Reprimand Khayyam with the number of revelry
              And as an example, they put non-drinking husbands to him.
              Other vices would be just as noticeable -
              Who would look sober from these bigots ?! hi
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 18 December 2017 20: 53 New
                +4
                Quote: HanTengri
                Olgovich

                this character is VO, an unsinkable specimen of the type of people who have something in the eyebrow. what’s in the eye .. all of God's dew, they cry about their own, living in parallel reality.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 19 December 2017 09: 18 New
                  0
                  Quote: Pancir026
                  Quote: HanTengri
                  Olgovich

                  this character is VO, an unsinkable specimen of the type of people who have something in the eyebrow. what’s in the eye .. all of God's dew, they cry about their own, living in parallel reality.

                  Blown away, comrade Baden
                  No numbers, no facts. Shame ....
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 19 December 2017 11: 11 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    Olgovich

                    this character is VO, an unsinkable specimen of the type of people who have something in the eyebrow. what’s in the eye .. all of God's dew, they cry about their own, living in parallel reality.

                    Blown away, comrade Baden
                    No numbers, no facts. Shame ....

                    Olgovich! THESE glitches are repeated again ??????? I remember how you got stuck with Baden, VLADIKAVKAZ imagined! And with VLADIKAVKAZ -To Alexander butted, not you! Or you? Moldovan doubles? I read all the comments of Vladikavkaz after that conversation. Did they hurry out of the hospital? Vain.
                    1. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 19 December 2017 14: 15 New
                      +2
                      so the Moldovan ambassador was recalled, they called ... an coincidence? I don’t think ...
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 December 2017 07: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: HanTengri
                rebuke Khayyam by the number of revelry
                And as an example, they put non-drinking husbands to him.
                Other vices would be just as noticeable -
                Who would look sober from these prudes?

                Vladimir Semenovich:

                Let you live as a janitor, be born again - a foreman,
                And after you grow from a foreman to a minister,
                But if stupid, like a tree, you will be born a baobab
                And you will be a baobab for a thousand years while you die.

                Annoyingly a parrot live
                Viper with a long eyelid ...
                Isn’t it better to be in life
                A decent person ?!
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 20 December 2017 16: 48 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Isn’t it better to be in life
                  A decent person ?!

                  This is for you, because of your pathological love of lies, is not suitable.
                  You are reminiscent of a certain prokhessor A. Zubov, expelled from the Russian Federation and now striving in the Bandera Ruin. He will hate the country's past just like you.
                  And because of this, to decent people, neither him nor you. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to count.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 December 2017 14: 38 New
                    0
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    This is for you, because of your pathological love of lies, is not suitable.
                    You are reminiscent of a certain prokhessor A. Zubov, expelled from the Russian Federation and now striving in the Bandera Ruin. He will hate the country's past just like you.
                    And by virtue of this, to decent people, neither him, nor you.

                    Flood, chatter and-NI one refuting NUMBERS. Exhausted armor lol
    5. speelforce
      speelforce 16 December 2017 23: 01 New
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      Olgovich, all agricultural taxes in the USSR under Stalin were levied on a progressive scale and mostly in kind. So, the tax figures you cited at best indicate an increase in the welfare of collective farmers and individual peasants in the worst, that they are fake and have no meaning.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 December 2017 10: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: speelforce
        Olgovich, all agricultural taxes in the USSR under Stalin were levied on a progressive scale and mostly in kind. So, the tax figures you cited at best indicate an increase in the welfare of collective farmers and individual peasants in the worst, that they are fake and have no meaning.

        No. There was a cash and in-kind tax, which grew all the time. The growth of the welfare of collective farmers 1945-53 - what is the matter with you (WITH YOU. And not with you!) ?!
        1. speelforce
          speelforce 17 December 2017 11: 00 New
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          They tell you about the progressive taxation scale, and you sing the same song. Do you even know what a progressive scale is?
          1. avt
            avt 17 December 2017 12: 01 New
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            Quote: speelforce
            They tell you about the progressive taxation scale, and you sing the same song. Do you even know what a progressive scale is?

            Useless . The cerebral cortex is incurable. Realize the relationship between the same
            Quote: speelforce
            agricultural taxes in the USSR under Stalin were levied on a progressive scale and mostly in kind.
            which, in kind, went through consumer cooperation to a distribution network, which, under control, really made it possible to liquidate a shortage of goods and lower prices, they are not capable of, and even more so the fact that inflation was inhibited by this, albeit not radically.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 17 December 2017 12: 54 New
              +3
              Quote: avt
              Useless . The cerebral cortex is incurable. Realize the relationship between the same

              Communism is incurable. But-disappears irrevocably-over time. yes
              Quote: avt
              which, well, in-kind went through consumer cooperation to the distribution network, which under control is real allowed to eliminate commodity shortages and they are not capable of lowering prices. And even more so the fact that this was inhibited inflation , if not radically

              The peasants have NO money, respectively, and no inflation. What, however, is a "wise" economic commencement! good fool
              On reducing the "deficit, you would know about the thousands of lines 52-53 for the most necessary
              1. avt
                avt 17 December 2017 14: 28 New
                +9
                Quote: Olgovich
                Communism is incurable. But-disappears irrevocably-over time.

                Only for this reason you all tsarebozhiki pissing not for a little kiddies in attempts to juggle the facts and the desire to erase the entire Soviet history period to zero. Soon agree that nuclear, space projects were laid directly by Nikolashka.
                Quote: Olgovich
                The peasants have NO money, respectively, and no inflation.

                And the collective farmers giving Yak to the front are. There is the Russian Orthodox Church donating a tank column, “Dmitry Donskoy.” What’s the big deal, after Lenin’s real selection of church values? So what, but Dzerzhinsky knew everything and ripped off everything.
                Quote: Olgovich
                On reducing the "deficit, you would know about the thousands of lines 52-53 for the most necessary

                A father who lived in those years told me about this period, he traveled around the country pretty well, but where they themselves stood
                Quote: Olgovich
                THOUSAND lines of 52-53

                And in general - why did Winter pass?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 18 December 2017 10: 42 New
                  +1
                  Quote: avt
                  Only why are you all tsarebozhiki piss yourself not childish in attempts juggle the facts and the desire to erase the entire period of Soviet history to zero. Soon agree that nuclear, space projects were laid directly by Nikolashka.

                  You DENY the boring tsifirki given, but do not exercise in spills of bile and other substances, they convince only you lol
                  The nuclear, space projects were carried out precisely by Russian engineers, trained in Imperial Universities Imperial Teachers before and after the coup.
                  The same Radium Institute-ALL of his outstanding scientists made a career before the October Revolution.
                  Finally, learn the SPECIFIC biographies of the leaders of the atomic project!
                  Quote: avt
                  And the collective farmers giving Yak to the front are. There is the Russian Orthodox Church donating a tank column, “Dmitry Donskoy.” What’s the big deal, after Lenin’s real selection of church values? So what, but Dzerzhinsky knew everything and ripped off everything.

                  Again, NUMBERS refute not by chatter, but by them!
                  Quote: avt
                  then what kind of shisha, after Lenin’s real selection of church values? So what, and Dzerzhinsky knew the matter and then torn off everything.

                  He did not know the matter: and clever men were found on him.
                  Quote: avt
                  A father who lived in those years told me about this period, he traveled around the country pretty well, but where they themselves stood

                  Strong "evidence" lol fool
                  And from 800 thousand to one and a half million starvation with cannibalism in 1946-48, this, of course, is from plenty in stores fool
                  Quote: avt
                  THOUSAND lines of 52-53
                  And in general - why did Winter pass?

                  From letters to Stalin:, 1953 from Novocherkassk (Rostov Region): “There is no more strength to remain silent about the difficult situation in which our Soviet people live. There is nothing. The shops are empty ... For eight months now, children have not seen sugar, butter. One bread. True, this is not hunger, but it is impossible to grow a healthy generation on one bread. No vegetables, no cereals - nothing. ” From Rostov-on-Don: “Near each grocery store are in line a thousand or more people. At the bazaars, the products are so expensive that once a simple Soviet person goes to the bazaar, they must pay a monthly salary ”36. The head of the regional financial department I.E. Lobov wrote: “It seems to me that not everything is known in the Kremlin about the life of collective farms and collective farmers. And it is very difficult, for earned workdays they receive nothing in kind or in money ... As soon as the collective farmer has paid off the obligatory supplies, he is no longer able to eat normally ... And what a village looks like! If someone from the government visited the village, but walked around the huts of the collective farmers, they would see what poverty, how poorly people live ”
                  East Kuleshov S.V., Sviridenko Yu.P., Fedulin A.A. Modernization of Russia (XIX-XX centuries). Social and political processes. M „2007
                  All this is not true, right? fool
                  1. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 18 December 2017 10: 51 New
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                    Quote: Olgovich
                    All this is not true, right?

                    You yes, the next portion of nonsense.
                    In December 1947, an event takes place which, in terms of its emotional impact on people, was commensurate with the end of the war. As stated in Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks No. 4004 of December 14, 1947, “... from December 16, 1947, the card system for the supply of food and industrial goods was canceled, high prices for commercial trade were canceled, and uniform reduced state retail prices were introduced for food and manufactured goods ... ”. The card system, which made it possible to save many people from starvation during the war, caused strong psychological discomfort after the war. The assortment of food items that were sold by card was extremely poor. For example, in the bakery there were only 2 varieties of rye and wheat bread, which were sold by weight in accordance with the norm indicated in the cutting coupon. The selection of other food products was also small. At the same time, there was such an abundance of products in commercial stores that any modern supermarket could envy. But the prices in these stores were not affordable for the majority of the population, and the products there were purchased only for the festive table. After the abolition of the card system, all this abundance was in ordinary grocery stores at affordable prices. For example, the price of cakes that were previously sold only in commercial stores decreased from 30 to 3 rubles. More than 3 times fell market prices for products. Prior to the cancellation of the card system, industrial goods were sold under special orders, the presence of which did not mean the availability of the corresponding goods. After canceling the cards, a certain shortage of industrial goods remained for some time, but, as I recall, in 1951 this deficit did not exist in Leningrad. Http://greenkomitet.ru/forum/blogs/ratcatche
                    r-47-next.htm
                    The facts of cannibalism that you relish so were in your Moldova. Why would it be? After the war, about which people like you, apparently because of their predisposition to the legacy of Hitler and Goebbels, as it should be to a notorious Russophobe and anti-Soviet, prefer to forget.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 18 December 2017 11: 55 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      The facts of cannibalism that you so savor, were in your Moldova. Why would it be? After the war, about which people like you, apparently by force

                      In All New Russia and Moldova, incl.
                      LEARN HISTORY!
                  2. avt
                    avt 18 December 2017 10: 52 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    The atomic and space projects were carried out precisely by Russian engineers, who were trained at the Imperial Universities by Imperial teachers before and after the revolution.
                    The same Radium Institute-ALL of his outstanding scientists made a career before the October Revolution.

                    bully good Well, what am I talking about? bully Write further - in general, Stalin found an atomic bomb in the water closet of the Winter Palace of Nikolashka - he drunk and fell asleep there and forgot, otherwise he would have dropped it on Berlin in the 15th year. wassat bully Yes, and von Braun studied at MTU ..... really only heard about Rosenberg ... but it doesn’t matter. bully YES! By the way! Actually the founder .... FRENCH S! Jules and Verne! They justified everything theoretically and put it on paper bully
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                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 18 December 2017 16: 27 New
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                        because olgovich has no facts. he has a set of numbers that he pulled from different sources. and when he specifically pokes his nose in his lies, he is offended for some reason ... a strange person ... now he paints that the villages are depopulated, completely not realizing that this is global tendency. the population goes to cities - you can take any country and see the data .. but this simple and ordinary fact doesn’t reach him .. you’ll get him into the village of horseradish to plow the land. this happens sometimes when a person suddenly changes his worldview abruptly in mature age. it’s usually called simply insanity ... maybe you are a gopnik, but you will slap your teeth for such expressions in my presence. so, speaking in Washenski, filter the bazaar. .
                      2. avt
                        avt 18 December 2017 17: 10 New
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                        Quote: Gopnik
                        Listen, and why, instead of refuting Olgovich, are you clowning around and fooling around like the rest of the steelmakers?

                        But what's the point of the zhopnik explaining something? If the back hemispheres are not capable of at least working as a search engine, to see who and how was involved in the atomic project in the WORLD. Why did you decide that you can realize the facts that someone will lay out?
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 18 December 2017 11: 58 New
                      +3
                      Quote: avt
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The atomic and space projects were carried out precisely by Russian engineers, who were trained at the Imperial Universities by Imperial teachers before and after the revolution.
                      The same Radium Institute-ALL of his outstanding scientists made a career before the October Revolution.

                      bully good Well, what am I talking about? bully Write further - in general, Stalin found an atomic bomb in the water closet of the Winter Palace of Nikolashka - he drunk and fell asleep there and forgot, otherwise he would have dropped it on Berlin in the 15th year. wassat bully Yes, and von Braun studied at MTU ..... really only heard about Rosenberg ... but it doesn’t matter. bully YES! By the way! Actually the founder .... FRENCH S! Jules and Verne! They justified everything theoretically and put it on paper bully

                      Instead of spending time on printing floods, they would open up the BIOGRAPHIES of scientists at the RADIATIVE INSTITUTION and enlightened. And then it’s funny to you, who don’t know. to read. lol
                      1. avt
                        avt 18 December 2017 17: 16 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        BIOGRAPHIES OF SCIENTISTS OF THE RADIATIVE INSTITUTE - and were enlightened.

                        To begin with, enlighten the fact that
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        BIOGRAPHIES

                        projects do not. Further, well, if you realize this, then go to the search for those names that were specifically engaged in the same atomic project in the USSR with the involvement of “BIOGRAPHIES” from around the WORLD, including the notorious Einstein (a figure of the most interesting physicist in the world). For example, through the wife of sculptor Konenkov ... even before the war and getting quite an intermediate result of the positive. But it’s difficult, it is necessary to analyze the facts with the brain, it’s easier to fulfill the intelligent laugh
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And then it’s funny to you, who don’t know. to read.

                        He knows everything and has no doubts that there are two opinions - one of his own, the other is certainly stupid.
                  3. Hantengri
                    Hantengri 18 December 2017 21: 06 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    East Kuleshov S.V., Sviridenko Yu.P., Fedulin A.A. Modernization of Russia (XIX-XX centuries). Social and political processes. M „2007
                    All this is not true, right?

                    It may well be. This is not a monograph. This is just a TEXTBOOK for non-core universities!
                    For students, practitioners, studying service specialties and working in the service sector. The material was tested when reading a special course for students studying in a specialty "Socio-cultural service and tourism" at the Russian State University of Tourism and Service.
                    It is possible that the information in the textbook is correct, and the authors are crystal-clear people who have searched through a bunch of archival materials for the sake of such a nonsense as a textbook for future effective service menAGeners. lol But, also, it is likely that this textbook was written by the same "non-gentle" "Olgovich", with the left foot, for the sake of raising the dough, according to the materials of the magazine "Spark", times of perestroika. And how do we syrians distinguish between these probabilities? Share, Olgovich!
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 19 December 2017 09: 25 New
                      +1
                      Quote: HanTengri
                      To begin with, enlighten the fact that
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      BIOGRAPHIES
                      projects do not. Further, well, if you realize this, then go to the search for those names that were specifically engaged in the same atomic project in the USSR with the involvement of “BIOGRAPHIES” from around the WORLD, including the notorious Einstein (a figure of the most interesting physicist in the world). For example, through the wife of sculptor Konenkov ... even before the war and getting quite an intermediate result of the positive. But it’s difficult, it is necessary to analyze the facts with the brain, it’s easier to fulfill the intelligent laugh

                      Leave me alone, dear!
                      I do not communicate with you and do not read you.
                      1. Hantengri
                        Hantengri 19 December 2017 18: 44 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I do not communicate with you and do not read you.

                        I noticed! lol
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 20 December 2017 07: 50 New
                      0
                      Quote: HanTengri
                      I noticed!

                      Once again, for a tanker:
                      I DO NOT read your comments, where you oppose me and do not comment on your so-called "thoughts".
                      You swore me, you called me guan (repeatedly) - do I really have no reason to disdain communicating with you?
                      Agree that I have.
                      So I ask you politely-Do not impose hi
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 20 December 2017 07: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: avt
                  To begin with, enlighten the fact that

                  BIOGRAPHIES
                  projects do not. Further, well, if you realize this, then go to the search for those names that were specifically engaged in the same atomic project in the USSR with the involvement of “BIOGRAPHIES” from around the WORLD, including the notorious Einstein (a figure of the most interesting physicist in the world). For example, through the wife of sculptor Konenkov ... even before the war and getting quite an intermediate result of the positive. But it’s difficult, it is necessary to analyze the facts with the brain, it’s easier to fulfill the intelligent laugh
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  And then it’s funny to you, who don’t know. to read.
                  He knows everything and has no doubts that there are two opinions - one of his own, the other is certainly stupid.

                  Enlighten yourself with the fact that BIOGRAPHY is a biography of a person, incl. and completed PROJECTS.
                  I know the biographies of the people’s nuclear project, and I propose for the second time to forgive you to make sure that it was carried out by scientists learned at the Imperial Universities and the Imperial teachers. :
                  Can you challenge it? No you can not.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 17 December 2017 12: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: speelforce
            They tell you about the progressive taxation scale, and you sing the same song. Do you even know what a progressive scale is?

            You (not you, but YOU!) Are told that YOU DO NOT know the topic you are talking about: taxes on peasants have grown over 12 years - in Four times! With unchanged from the 30s purchase prices!
            Read about the HUNGER 1952-53!
            1. speelforce
              speelforce 17 December 2017 14: 35 New
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              You’re lying, so I’ll call you again.)) Further, for 36 years - 4% of taxable income - from income from the sale of products under contracting and public procurement and income from on-farm use of products, 8% from taxable income - from other incomes of collective farms. Tax rates increased from 36 to 48 years by 2% - 5% in general. For 48 years: 6% from income derived from on-farm use of products, 6% from income from the sale of products to the state, 12% from income from products distributed among collective farmers, 13% from income derived from sales on collective farm markets. . This is the same income, but for the peasants. If its collection increased 4 times, as you say, and the rate was only 2-4%, provided that the number of collective farmers was significantly reduced, then welfare improved. All other fees were charged in a natural way on a progressive scale and it is impossible to calculate them in money. Which is what political speculators like you use.
              There was no famine in 52! There was a crop failure and there was everything in the commercial sale. But in order to avoid speculation, it was decided to distribute products through ORSs, bypassing stores. Which gave an occasion to all the enemies today to shout about supposedly hunger.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 18 December 2017 11: 12 New
                +3
                Quote: speelforce
                You are lying, so I can call you again.)

                REFUTION the given tsifirki tsifirkami, and then let's say which of us is a liar. Come on! You can not? No you can not! lol
                Quote: speelforce
                subject to a significant reduction in the number of collective farmers, welfare improved.

                Yes, therefore, from 800 thousand to one and a half million, it was the collective farmers who died of starvation, and many cases of cannibalism and carnivore. Everything from the "increase" of wealth and abundance in stores! fool
                Quote: speelforce
                All other fees were charged in a natural way on a progressive scale and it is impossible to calculate them in money. Which is what political speculators like you use.

                For tankers I repeat the third time :( MONEY and NATURAL taxes were levied. Are there problems with the Russian?
                In-kind taxes have also increased .. Moreover, they even had to surrender that the collective farmer on the farm might not have and had to buy at an exorbitant price ... a store to ... pay off the state.
                Soon, soon to my court-
                I'm sitting shaking:
                Awarded five eggs
                And I'm not rushing!

                There was ANOTHER ONE BARSHINA for peasants (also a tax actually): horse-drawn duty, road repair, peat mining, practically free work.

                Quote: speelforce
                There was no famine in 52!

                Who is interested in your squeak? belay Is this proof? fool lol
                At the end of 1952, in connection with the shaft of disturbing appeals from dreams, the commissions of the Central Committee were sent out.
                The head of one of them, A. B. Aristov, “I was in Ryazan. - What is there? Outages? - No, I say, comrade Stalin, not interruptions, but for a long time there is no bread, no oil, no sausage. He stood in line with Larionov at 6-7 in the morning, checked. No bread anywhere. He checked the funds, they are extremely small. ”Molotov, Malenkov, Kaganovich. Transcript of the June Plenum of the CPSU Central Committee and other documents. M., 1998.S. 193.
                Etc.
                Learn the history of our country!
                1. speelforce
                  speelforce 18 December 2017 14: 17 New
                  +7
                  You need to learn this. To refute that which was not I am not going to. It's you - liar, try to refute my numbers that were and worked. And about the transcript, I already wrote to you why it was decided to distribute through the OPC. And also, I really like it - they take individual facts and pass them off as a system. Although what to take from alternatively gifted and also illiterate amateurs ... 3 classes then there is at least?)))
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 December 2017 15: 53 New
                    +1
                    Quote: speelforce
                    You need to learn this. To refute that which was not I am not going to.

                    NOT -lol you can lol though -... you want. request
                    But it’s so simple-bring, supposedly, “true” figures of the pecuniary tax payment, like mine. But there are NO lol
                    Quote: speelforce
                    And also, I really like it - they take individual facts and pass them off as a system

                    "Separate" facts ?! belay fool There were many such commissions of the Central Committee of the CPSU, but the Soviets were silent, for some reason.
                    Khrushchev, 1953: "Talk, but when we do not solve the problems of agriculture, when in the country lack of meat, lack of milk, lack of even potatoes, lack of cabbage, like this?! .. After all, they will come to us and say: listen, dear comrades, you are teaching us how to build socialism, and you are at home you don’t know how to grow potatoes to provide for your people, cabbage you don’t have in the capital "
                    A. M. Puzanov, who served as head of the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR in the 1950s: “Not to mention meat, milk and butter, lacked bread even in major cities and industrial centers. Who does not remember so far those thousandths which very often formed in the evening! ”

                    All "FALSE", all "" NERAFFDA ", huh? Only your Naked faith in a never-existent truth! fool lol
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 18 December 2017 15: 56 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Khrushchev, 1953: "Talk, but when we do not solve the problems of agriculture, when in the country there is a shortage of meat, a shortage of milk, a shortage of even potatoes, a shortage of cabbage, like this ?!

                      Oh oh, Olgovich Khrushchev remembered. So he is yours. Giblets. What are you, restless, already drowning your own?
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      A. M. Puzanov, who served as head of the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR in the 1950s: “Not to mention meat, milk and butter, bread was lacking even in major cities and industrial centers.

                      Oh oh ... well, the testimony of a "witness" in the form of an olgovich is direct, my elder period of your horrors for 53 and later does not confirm.
                      There were difficulties in the country. After the war it would have been strange if they hadn’t been there, but speculating on them, difficulties, the destiny of directly and frankly flawed Russophobes.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 21 December 2017 15: 00 New
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                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Oh oh ... well, the testimony of a "witness" in the form of an olgovich is direct, my elder period of your horrors for 53 and later does not confirm.

                        You do not know how to read: PUZANOV testifies, the head of the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR. And yes, witness, unlike yours there
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        There were difficulties in the country. After the war it would have been strange if they hadn’t been there, but speculating on them, difficulties, the destiny of directly and frankly flawed Russophobes.

                        Difficulties in the country - it was NOT-read the concurrence of those years in agriculture. fool
                        And only the Russophobe armor can, according to the previous one, believe and deny the suffering of Russian people. The press, according to which the famine of 1933 was NOT AT ALL, as well as the famine of 196-1948.
                        Shame on Russophobia.
            2. Pancir026
              Pancir026 18 December 2017 11: 05 New
              +7
              Quote: Olgovich
              Read about the HUNGER 1952-53!

              so what is there to read?
              In fairness, it is worth noting that the droughts in the USSR of these years are only a continuation of the global drought. For example, in 1951 there was a catastrophic drought in China, the records of which were also broken only in 2010. India, which had just celebrated its own independence, as a result of a yield loss by a quarter century, became completely dependent on food imports. In Australia, the drought, which began in 1951, lasted until 1953 inclusive, and in the USA it continued throughout the first half of the 1950s: it began in the southwest, in 1951 it covered the states of New Mexico and Texas (in the latter being the strongest among those recorded in its history), then spread to the Midwest, Central Plains and some Rocky Mountains. And in Argentina, a disaster similar in scale since 1952 was repeated only in 2009. Such a destructive effect of hot weather is explained, according to meteorologists, by the fact that the 1950s. - the end time of the small period of warming that began in the late 1920s.22
              In droughts and climate fluctuations. Is the USSR to blame?
              And now we will see where you get your "knowledge" from here- https://zapadrus.su/rusmir/istf/1671-poslednij-st
              alinskij-golod-krizis-prodovolstvennogo-obespeche
              niya-v-sssr-nachala-1950-kh-gg.html
              We look at the physics of the one who wrote all this- http://iriran.ru/?q=kruglov

              Do you really know the "scientific form" .. yes, the trouble is, there are a dime a dozen of such writers, but no sense.
              Now let’s listen to a scientist, not a writer-speculator like Kruglov.
              http://www.politicsglobal.ru/archives/14772
              In 1953, it was proposed to launch social programs, including the development of housing, the program of which was adopted in 1952, back under Stalin, and not after his death; trade and health.

              Particular attention in the report of Malenkov was given to the substantiation of a new course in agricultural policy. At the same session of the Supreme Council, a new law on agricultural tax was adopted, which was a radical reform of the tax system, which has been in force since 1930. It was reduced by more than 2 times. The total amount decreased from 9,5 billion in 1952 to 4,1 billion in 1953. After the speech, Malenkov’s name became very popular among peasants, the newspaper with his report was read out to the holes, the peasants wrote in letters to the Central Committee that this for us, even the saying “Malenkov came, ate pancakes” appeared. Peasants are allowed to increase their personal plots by 5 times. This gave good results: the village began to produce 1,5 times more products. It should be noted that by the 53rd year, more than half of the country's population live in villages. Khrushchev's position could not be proactive, in 1951 he undermined his reputation as an agrarian after writing an article on construction and improvement on collective farms, in which he mistakenly underestimated the importance of personal subsidiary plots for peasants. Khrushchev was criticized fairly.

              In the All-Union economic discussion in 1951, D.T. Shepilov, A.N. Kosygin defended the private farms of collective farmers and freedom of artel entrepreneurship. Stalin wrote about this in his last - 1952 - work "The economic problems of socialism in the USSR."
              https://aftershock.news/?q=node/491044&full
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 18 December 2017 12: 19 New
                +2
                Quote: Pancir026
                In Australia, the drought, which began in 1951, lasted until 1953 inclusive, and in the USA it continued throughout the first half of the 1950s: it began in the southwest, in 1951 it covered the states of New Mexico and Texas (in the latter being the strongest among the registers
                In droughts and climate fluctuations. Is the USSR to blame?

                Comrade baden, you give the facts of THOUSAND queues in the USA for bread in 1952-53, as in the prosperous USSR. Again - lol you can not? And what can you? lol
                Quote: Pancir026
                Particular attention in the report of Malenkov was given to the substantiation of a new course in agricultural policy. At the same session of the Supreme Council, a new law on agricultural tax was adopted, which was a radical reform of the tax system, which has been in force since 1930.

                DO NOT so know the history of our country!
                Malenkov quoted by you proposed tax cuts, etc., in SEPTEMBER 1953, 7 months after the death of the leader.
                You copy paste without going into the essence of copy paste. lol
                The rescue of a dying agricultural from a practically catastrophe, began only after Stalin.
                1. speelforce
                  speelforce 18 December 2017 14: 20 New
                  +8
                  FAQ?))) Mammy I have cramps from this kindergarten. These are the same history, in due time they drove bullshit in the "Spark".
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 December 2017 16: 07 New
                    +2
                    Quote: speelforce
                    FAQ?))) Mammy I have cramps from this kindergarten. These are the same history, in due time they drove bullshit in the "Spark".

                    Tavo, my friend. yes
                    Help you secret report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR, 1955, indicating that after the most difficult deadly "battles" and "battles" the party for bread and garlic, the defeat of all enemies and oppositions, all sorts of collectivizations and mechanizations, the consumption level of 1913 reached .. only almost in 40 years!.
                    And in 1937-40 it remained only to look up at 1913.-with longing ....

                    You, read, yes. What did Ich teach you there? Didn’t obey grandfather? lol
                    1. speelforce
                      speelforce 18 December 2017 17: 09 New
                      +6
                      Firstly, in 1955 the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR was not there and if someone showed you such a report, spit it in the face. It was the CSB under the Council of Ministers of the USSR, and the CSB of the USSR was abolished in 1930 and revived in 1975.
                      Secondly, yes - the level of consumption is serious))) according to the Moscow government, I consume 89000 rubles a month at the office. a salary of 18000. And along with Prokhorov I also eat a kilo of caviar a day - he spawns, I am a jar, So this is not an argument. I wrote a lot here, and then deleted it - I realized that the feed was not in the horse. You are an ordinary militant amateur, or vice versa - a competent propagandist - an anti-adviser, which is indistinguishable from the texts, since they are taken from one dump. In general - a dummy, but lying - a can))))
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 20 December 2017 07: 53 New
                        0
                        Quote: speelforce
                        Firstly, in 1955 the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR was not there and if someone showed you such a report, spit it in the face. It was the CSB under the Council of Ministers of the USSR, and the CSB of the USSR was abolished in 1930 and revived in 1975.

                        You are funny .... lol
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 20 December 2017 09: 06 New
                        0
                        From the "nonexistent" report of the Central Statistical Administration of the USSR

                        ........ 1913 ...... 1937 ..... 1950
                        Bread 200 ...... 192 ......... 172
                        meat 27 ......... 18 ............. 26
                        fish 6,7 ........ 5,6 ...... 7
                        Milk 154 ... 143 ... 172
                        Fabrics. 17,2 ... 14,7 ... 16,3
                        Oh, the potatoes, yes, gobbled up twice as much!

                        Caloric intake RSFSR 2834 cal, Russia 1913: 2900-3200 cal (Chayanov)
                        Those. by the 1950s they only DROWNED 1913, and in 1937, with the "already" built "socialism, a complete failure.
                        "success" yes fool
                    2. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 20 December 2017 17: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      secret report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR, 1955

                      To you to help and edification shit that you get over and over again. When sculpt about the "secret report"
                      https://topwar.ru/128983-bolsheviki-stali-osusche
                      stvlyat-novyy-proekt-razvitiya-spasaya-ne-tolko-r
                      ossiyu-no-i-vse-chelovechestvo.html
                      CONCLUSIONS were made in the report, and on them they did BUSINESS. Unlike you, chatting and speculating on the difficulties of the post-war period.
                      If there were no wars, neither you nor your like would be screaming like that.
                      The theme of the Soviet past has become incredibly popular with the creators of pseudo-historical television series. And scriptwriters and producers have a special affection for the colorful times of the "personality cult." Almost every month we are pleased with a new story: a stern citizen, the head of the MUR, catches an unbelievable lesson, supermen-counterintelligence stop the next dirty trick of fascist saboteurs, and the “innocently repressed” escaped from arrest to get to the front and defend the country that repressed them.

                      Filmed for conscience, especially diligently trying to portray the life of that time. Actors are sitting on a stool in a flaky kitchen, making terrible grimaces and famously knocking over “stopakers”, the same “one and a half” (the only one in the entire film studio) is driving along the lane, and the place for filming is specially found in the God-abandoned depressed quarters of the old building, not seen repair since the time of their construction.

                      It would seem a complete resemblance to the original. But wait a minute! The problem turns out!

                      If all Soviet citizens either plumped blackly or stole, as it is shown to us in the cinema, then who in the 30s carried out colossal industrialization, and after the war lifted the country out of ruins?
                      http://www.politonline.ru/provocation/22889490.ht
                      ml
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 21 December 2017 12: 04 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        To you to help and edification shit that you get over and over again. When sculpt about the "secret report"

                        Are there OTHER numbers in the shit? lol
                        The report inexorably testifies: By the 1950s, ONE DECLARED 1913 (and this is after almost 40 years !, after three famines unprecedented in mankind), and in 1937, with the "already" built "socialism, a complete failure.
                        And in Russia, meat was just meat (carcasses), and you have it and ALL entrails, udders, etc., um, brains, cheeks and ..... fat belay , and even with a coefficient of 1,4 turned into meat ... lol
                        And the bread was considered ... ON THE FIELDS, and not the one that arrived at the bakeries (losses, 20-40%) ....
                  2. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 18 December 2017 16: 47 New
                    +5
                    here is the report to which he refers-


                    1913 1928 1937 1940 1950 1954
                    Bread Products
                    (bread translated into flour,
                    flour, groats,
                    pasta) 200 214 192 195 172 180

                    potatoes 75 130 151 118 241 153

                    vegetables and melons 40 72 78 67 51 66

                    meat and lard (with gol) 27 32 18 24 26 32

                    fish and fish products 6,7 3,5 5,6 5,1 7,0 8,9

                    Milk
                    and dairy products in milk 154 182 138 143 172 175

                    eggs - pieces 48 60 43 54 60 84

                    vegetable oil - 2,6 2,0 2,3 2,7 4,8

                    sugar 8,1 7,5 13,8 8,7 11,6 20,9 and now who will explain to me where this foolish sees a decrease in consumption? which place? Of course, he’s olgovich, but he must be able to count the numbers ... but in fact, he just liked this fragment,
                    In a general assessment of the state and development of nutrition, the positive nature of the changes should be noted first: the consumption of sugar, fish, eggs, meat and fat, milk and dairy products is growing. However, the growth in consumption of livestock products is insufficient, and compared with 1928, the consumption of meat and fat has not changed, while the consumption of milk and dairy products has even slightly decreased. The growth is insufficient, but this, according to the nutrition institute that made up the ration, is a planned economy. .... from the same report_
                    Compared to the nutrition of the population in pre-revolutionary Russia, the nutrition of the population in 1954 has improved significantly. The population of the USSR in 1954 per capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period was (in percent):


                    Bread Products - 90

                    Potato - 204

                    Vegetables and gourds - 165

                    Meat and Fat - 119

                    Fish and fish products - 133

                    Milk and dairy products in milk - 114

                    Eggs - 175

                    Sugar - 258

                    in short olgovich as always. I heard a ringing but don’t know where he is ....

                    1. Hantengri
                      Hantengri 18 December 2017 21: 20 New
                      +7
                      Quote: long in stock.
                      Of course, he is olgovich, but he must be able to count the numbers ...

                      He somehow believes in Moldavian. I already checked and tried to explain ... But Olgovich - this seems to be a diagnosis.
                  3. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 18 December 2017 16: 48 New
                    +7
                    you are mistaken. these storytellers from a twinkle scooped the knowledge ....
                2. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 18 December 2017 15: 32 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  You copy paste without going into the essence of copy paste.

                  Are you talking about yourself and your ability to grow an elephant out of a fly, which in fact turns out to be a linen louse, which is always crushed?
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 December 2017 16: 13 New
                    +1


                    Quote: Pancir026
                    to grow an elephant from a fly

                    You DO NOT know the FACTS caught in thiswhat kind of fly is this?
                    You have not fulfilled the precepts of ilich: to study, etc. How so, comrade baden? belay lol
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 20 December 2017 17: 10 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      You DO NOT know the FACTS, caught in it, what kind of fly is this?

                      Are you according to Freud so about yourself?
                      So you constantly, like a naughty baby, are poked with your nose at what you piled on, and you are all for nothing, everything is back there, in a dubious pile, smelling bad of substance .. masochism .. or all the same, total Russophobia densely mixed in western anti-Soviet?
                      By the way, in one of the materials I saw how comrade Baden smashed you to pieces, I personally am glad that there are people who put you in the place that you deserve.
                      Yes..interesting, you suffer from mania, then you remember the tankman, out of place and out of place, in relation to different users, now Badenza, are you all right with your health? Or did the immoderate use of fine Moldovan wine somewhat weaken your health?
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 21 December 2017 12: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Are you according to Freud so about yourself?

                        Personal pronouns-LEARN, you are our illiterate!
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        So you constantly, like a naughty baby, are poked with your nose at what you piled on, and you are all for nothing, everything is back there, in a dubious pile, smelling bad of substance .. masochism .. or all the same, total Russophobia densely mixed in western anti-Soviet?

                        Never. lol
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        By the way, in one of the materials I saw how comrade Baden smashed you to pieces, I personally am glad that there are people who put you in the place that you deserve.

                        fool lol
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Yes..interesting, you suffer from mania, then you remember the tankman, out of place and out of place, in relation to different users, now Badenza, are you all right with your health? Or did the immoderate use of fine Moldovan wine somewhat weaken your health?

                        You have one style of chatter, and when the baden disappears from the comments, an armor appears. At the same time, they are never there.
                        Most likely, different computers in two places, in one person.
                        Yes, actually, what's the difference?
                        Are you offended by the fact that you are called a banned? Well, I'm sorry generously.
                        PS It’s funny to hear you two togetherSimultaneously. yes
    6. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 17 December 2017 15: 05 New
      +9
      Quote: Olgovich
      the unbridled exploitation of the Russian peasantry: "Man is our debtor"

      Example "excessive" taxes on peasants in 1927.
      http://ivan-ushenin.livejournal.com/134656.html
      A quarter of the rural poor did not pay taxes at all, the average annual tax in the village was 3-4 rubles per year per person, and that amount was not paid regularly, tax payment was divided into three parts and delay was also allowed with the transfer of debt to the next year.
      For comparison: the average annual wage in the USSR in 1927 was 756 rubles.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 December 2017 11: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Quote: Olgovich
        the unbridled exploitation of the Russian peasantry: "Man is our debtor"

        Example "excessive" taxes on peasants in 1927.
        http://ivan-ushenin.livejournal.com/134656.html
        A quarter of the rural poor did not pay taxes at all, the average annual tax in the village was 3-4 rubles per year per person, and that amount was not paid regularly, tax payment was divided into three parts and delay was also allowed with the transfer of debt to the next year.
        For comparison: the average annual wage in the USSR in 1927 was 756 rubles.

        Comrade Green! Have you read the article ?! What are you about? What does it have to do with it 1927 g
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 16 December 2017 16: 28 New
    12
    In 1942, Zverev was instructed to oversee the issuance of radium and platinum to begin work in the nuclear industry, and he had a hand in creating a vigorous shield ...
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist 16 December 2017 16: 31 New
    +9
    In fact, the Soviet ruble was tied to the dollar by Pavlov, and it was with the "tagged", and before that there was a "negotiable ruble" as the monetary unit of CMEA
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 16 December 2017 16: 50 New
      10
      Quote: Monarchist
      there was a "negotiable ruble" as a monetary unit of CMEA

      Transferable ruble.
      He died with CMEA.
    2. Pancir026
      Pancir026 16 December 2017 16: 59 New
      16
      On February 28, 1950, a historic decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR was issued, putting an end to the pegging of the Soviet ruble to the overseas currency, as it was from July 1937. It was transferred to a "more stable - gold basis." 0,222168 grams of pure gold for 1 rub. By that time, there was a lot of precious metal in the country! The decision was hastily prepared on the personal instructions of Stalin. On the eve of the publication of the document, Joseph Vissarionovich personally set the new exchange rate of our "gold" to the green dollar. “At most - 4 rubles.” So directly and wrote on the project. In the presence of Chinese Prime Minister Zhou Enlai and Albanian leader Enver Hoji.

      The very next day, March 1, the new exchange rate and the gold exchange rate took effect. Http: //poslednie-news.ru/blog/43518273173/66
      -let-nazad-stalin-otvyazal-rubl-ot-dollara-mozhno
      -li-segodnya-
      1. avt
        avt 16 December 2017 17: 23 New
        17
        Quote: Pancir026
        On February 28, 1950, a historic resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers was issued that put an end to the pegging of the Soviet ruble to the overseas currency, as was the case since July 1937. It was transferred to a "more stable - gold basis." 0,222168 grams of pure gold for 1 rub.

        This Stalin was not forgiven and will never be forgiven, unlike Lenin and his "guard", as Muamor and his Egyptian neighbor who supported him - the "golden dinar"
  6. polpot
    polpot 16 December 2017 17: 19 New
    15
    Zverev was a talented economist, it’s true, but most importantly, the authorities were interested in their own people and not in Ulyukaev and Karimov
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 December 2017 10: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: polpot
      true, but most importantly, the authorities were interested in their own people

      history of the USSR there are three "Big kidka".

      1. Stalin bonded kid

      551 billion rubles. amounted to direct expenses of the Soviet government on the conduct of the war, and 13% of this amount was invested in the victory piggyback by loan buyers. In 1948, a conversion 2% loan was issued for the exchange of almost all bonds issued before 1947. Old bonds were exchanged for new ones in a 3: 1 ratio. So Stalin threw the patriots two rubles out of three.

      2. Forced bonded loans and Khrushchev kiddok.

      From 1946 to 1957, five circulations of 20-year bonds were issued, the purpose of which was the restoration and development of the national economy. Income on them was paid only in the form of winnings. Two more loans for a period of 26 years were issued in 1947. All of them were actually coercive.

      The overwhelming majority of loans issued from 1947 to 1957 were prolonged in 1957 for a period of up to 20 years, and in fact for a longer period, since repayment on them should have been carried out by draws of winnings for another 20 years (repayment began only in 1974. ), and were finally repaid only after 35 - 40 years from the moment of the beginning of release. In 1957, Khrushchev announced the suspension of all payments and prize draws on bonds for 20 years. In the mid-70s, these securities began to be redeemed at par, although the ruble has depreciated by about five times over the past years. So Khrushchev and Brezhnev threw people four out of five rubles.

      Help on compulsory loans.

      How. For each enterprise, a subscription limit for a loan is established, the unsubscription of unsubscribing was widely promoted, contributions for bonds were made by regular deductions from wages. How many. 20-25% of wages.

      3. Pavlovsk kidok 1991

      1. On January 22, 1991, President of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev signed a decree on the withdrawal from circulation and exchange of 50- and 100-ruble banknotes of the 1961 type. The exchange of withdrawn bills was accompanied by severe restrictions: - tight exchange dates - three days from January 23 to 25 (from Wednesday to Friday). - no more than 1000 rubles per person - the possibility of exchanging the remaining notes was considered in special commissions until the end of March 1991.

      The total amount subject to exchange was 51,5 billion rubles out of 133 billion cash, or about 39 percent of the total cash supply. - At the same time, the amount of cash available for withdrawal at the USSR Savings Bank was limited to not more than 500 rubles.

      2. In the course of the price reform undertaken under the leadership of the last Prime Minister of the USSR, Valentin Pavlov, in 1991, the amounts of 40 percent compensation for household deposits and government bonds were credited to so-called special accounts.

      According to the decree of the President of the USSR dated March 22, 1991 No. UP-1708, no more than 1 rubles were allowed to be withdrawn from each such account, and the remaining amounts were supposed to be frozen for three years with a charge of 200% per annum. The same decree lifted restrictions on withdrawing money from accounts introduced simultaneously with the exchange of 7- and 50-ruble banknotes two months earlier.

      Those. - January 22, 1991 were temporarily frozen deposits of citizens in the Savings Bank of the USSR. Later, deposits were unfrozen - but exactly when the Soviet government raised prices.

      Comment. Under the pretext of “exchanging money,” Pavlov froze the deposits of citizens in Sberbank, which were unfrozen by him only after the price increase that he had carried out and was clearly planned in advance. Those. the true purpose of the decree of January 22, 1991 was precisely the freezing of deposits in view of the increase in prices scheduled for two months by the USSR Government, and the "exchange of money" served as an occasion and a distracting maneuver. Pavlov.

      Simply put - the main goal was to increase prices. Moreover, it is such that it is guaranteed to devalue the purchasing power of the savings of the population. Because Pavlov remembered what happened in 1990, when his then direct boss and predecessor, Ryzhkov, announced the impending price increase - people rushed to the shops and dared to find everything they could. To do this, it was necessary to freeze savings. But for freezing, a reason was needed. And they came up with one - in the form of monetary reform.
      1. Pancir026
        Pancir026 17 December 2017 15: 52 New
        +9
        Quote: RUSS
        history of the USSR there are three "Big kidka".

        Bullshit caused by outright Russophobia.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 17 December 2017 16: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Pancir026
          Quote: RUSS
          history of the USSR there are three "Big kidka".

          Bullshit caused by outright Russophobia.

          Does it hurt to accept the truth of life? Why do you deny realities?
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 17 December 2017 19: 57 New
            +6
            Quote: RUSS
            Does it hurt to accept the truth of life? Why do you deny realities?

            Nobody needs your realities of Russophobia distorted through the prism of anti-Sovietism.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 17 December 2017 20: 16 New
              +8
              Quote: Pancir026
              Quote: RUSS
              Does it hurt to accept the truth of life? Why do you deny realities?

              Nobody needs your realities of Russophobia distorted through the prism of anti-Sovietism.

              Pancir026, here I am personally - neither for whites, nor for reds.
              But Pavlovsky "reform" experienced personally, at a very mature age. And I remember how aunts in the Ponaal market refused to accept the "Pavlovsky" "faded" fifty dollars, for example ...
              Question: You claim that it - "reform" - was not? belay
              Just as there were no two "kiddos" mentioned abovewhom I personally did not find (or was, say, still incompetent), but about which I heard a lot from the people who survived them?
              In short: what are you trying to postulate here? That everything is in the swamp slurry, and you are alone - D''Artagnan?
              This is not entirely true, I assure you ...,
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 18 December 2017 05: 41 New
                +3
                Pancir026, here I am personally - neither for whites, nor for reds.

                For the Nazis or what? belay But seriously, your statement is false, because it contradicts the law of exclusion of the third. It doesn’t happen, you are either for “white” or “red”, there is no third (the fascists, this is also “white”, with a brown tint laughing).
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 18 December 2017 07: 35 New
                  +9
                  Quote: avva2012
                  your statement is false, because it contradicts the law of exclusion of the third

                  Who told you that this law is universal?
                  The patient may survive and live well, may survive, but live, ahem, not very well (a million options), and may not survive at all.
                  I mean, life is a little more complicated than cantuper logic yes
                  And it’s not about who I am for (what you care), but about the patient Pancir026 trying to deny things that are completely obvious.
                  I would like from him the evidence of his, ahem, position, pure of interest ...
                  And all request
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 18 December 2017 09: 13 New
                    +4
                    Well, firstly, you are not a doctor, to call a person, a patient, because you are not able to assess whether he has symptoms or not. Secondly, the laws of logic are universal (lack of logic, this is inconsistency), and in the example you cited, if the patient has not recovered, he remains sick and does not become healthy. Thirdly, who you are ideologically and so it is clear. Explicitly do not belong to the "red". And what kind of spectrum do you prefer in that camp? It’s really not interesting to me.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 18 December 2017 09: 59 New
                      +8
                      Quote: avva2012
                      to call a person a patient, because, unable to assess whether he has symptoms or not, is not able

                      There are no healthy, there are unexplored (c). In a specific case, the symptoms are obvious, and it is completely optional to be a doctor.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      the laws of logic are universal (lack of logic, this is illogical)

                      Do not confuse logic with binary laughing
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Thirdly, who are you ideologically and so it is clear

                      Oh how ... well, happy for you.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      I'm really not interested

                      Mutually yes
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 18 December 2017 10: 18 New
                        +2
                        In a specific case, the symptoms are obvious, and it is completely optional to be a doctor.

                        Required. The whole problem is that any ignoramus crawls where they don't ask him. They struck the head of the children that "you are a person and you can have an opinion." The main thing is to stir up a puddle.
                        Do not confuse logic with binary

                        Yeah. Stay not fish or meat.
              2. Pancir026
                Pancir026 18 December 2017 09: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                That everything is in the swamp slurry, and you are alone - D''Artagnan?

                Are you talking about yourself? I don’t care why you sit in that very dunghill and assent to the notable Russophobes from there. Yes, and to D. Artanyan you are very, very far away.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 18 December 2017 10: 03 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Pancir026
                  I don’t care why you sit in that very dunghill and assent from there to the Russophobes

                  I do not sit in this liquid, it seemed to you laughing
                  I don’t give a damn who is the person who says (in this case) absolutely right things.
                  I don’t understand why you are trying to challenge the obvious, in general, statements. request
                  1. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 18 December 2017 10: 05 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    I don’t understand why you are trying to challenge the obvious, in general, statements.

                    I understand your limitations.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 18 December 2017 10: 06 New
                      +9
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      I don’t understand why you are trying to challenge the obvious, in general, statements.

                      I understand your limitations.

                      So, Pavlov’s reform was not a scam?
                      If you confirm this, you will probably be the only person in the country who thinks so. laughing
                      1. KKND
                        KKND 18 December 2017 18: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        So, Pavlov’s reform was not a scam?

                        No, it’s Pavlov himself who “writes” to us. His reform was not a scam, but he did not throw himself.
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 18 December 2017 05: 34 New
        +2
        So Stalin threw the patriots two rubles out of three.

        Is there a conscience? Even if what you wrote is true, then where did the money go, in the pockets of members of the Politburo? For waging a war and rebuilding the country after it, where is the money to come from, non-polite, are you ours? Marshall's plan for our country was excluded, I.V. Stalin, understood what this "help" would lead to.
        Can you bring your economic proposals where to get the money in such conditions?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 18 December 2017 07: 38 New
          +9
          Quote: avva2012
          Even if what you wrote is true, then where did the money go, in the pockets of members of the Politburo? The conduct of the war and the restoration of the country after it

          And that's not the point, dear. It was about trust in the State.
          The state promised to return the money (most likely, knowingly knowing that this is impossible).
          And did not return.
          This is scam, anyway.
          No? wink
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 18 December 2017 10: 24 New
            0
            And what the state organized, is it considered? The people themselves won the war, built the economy, rebuilt themselves after the war, all by himself. As for sleight of hand, it is you who contact the current state. Now, all honestly. wink
            most likely, knowing that this is impossible

            We read thoughts through communication with the other world? Shoulders do not get tired, it's not bags tossing and turning?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 18 December 2017 10: 54 New
              +9
              Quote: avva2012
              As for sleight of hand, it is you who contact the current state. Now, all honestly

              Aw, ma-lad-tsa, standing ovation! So change shoes to jump - not everyone can laughing
              Dear, "closer to the body": it was not about the current state, it will not fit into one comment laughing
              It was about a very simple, ahem, case:
              On the one hand, there was a state loan. With interest. Under Stalin.
              So far, everything is fair.
              On the other hand, the "successors of the Stalin case" at first, these bonds were slightly "pinned", then the ruble was slightly denominated ...
              If this is not scam, then what is it?
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 18 December 2017 12: 04 New
                +1
                Read the article, as well as others on this topic, similar. Develop logic and everything will be fine then.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 18 December 2017 17: 15 New
                  +7
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Read the article, as well as others on this topic, similar. Develop logic and everything will be fine then

                  Blah blah blah...
                  And develop logic yourself tongue
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 19 December 2017 09: 28 New
                    +2
                    Yours? Not, I pass, specialists, defectologists, are taught not in honey, but in ped.
      3. Gopnik
        Gopnik 18 December 2017 12: 00 New
        +1
        There was still a kid in 1917-18, when the Bolsheviks abandoned debt obligations. While most of the debts were domestic. With the kidnapping, the citizens of Russia began, with the kiddie, and finished.
      4. free
        free 27 February 2018 19: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: polpot
        true, but most importantly, the authorities were interested in their own people

        history of the USSR there are three "Big kidka".

        1. Stalin bonded kid

        551 billion rubles. amounted to direct expenses of the Soviet government on the conduct of the war, and 13% of this amount was invested in the victory piggyback by loan buyers. In 1948, a conversion 2% loan was issued for the exchange of almost all bonds issued before 1947. Old bonds were exchanged for new ones in a 3: 1 ratio. So Stalin threw the patriots two rubles out of three.

        2. Forced bonded loans and Khrushchev kiddok.

        From 1946 to 1957, five circulations of 20-year bonds were issued, the purpose of which was the restoration and development of the national economy. Income on them was paid only in the form of winnings. Two more loans for a period of 26 years were issued in 1947. All of them were actually coercive.

        The overwhelming majority of loans issued from 1947 to 1957 were prolonged in 1957 for a period of up to 20 years, and in fact for a longer period, since repayment on them should have been carried out by draws of winnings for another 20 years (repayment began only in 1974. ), and were finally repaid only after 35 - 40 years from the moment of the beginning of release. In 1957, Khrushchev announced the suspension of all payments and prize draws on bonds for 20 years. In the mid-70s, these securities began to be redeemed at par, although the ruble has depreciated by about five times over the past years. So Khrushchev and Brezhnev threw people four out of five rubles.

        Help on compulsory loans.

        How. For each enterprise, a subscription limit for a loan is established, the unsubscription of unsubscribing was widely promoted, contributions for bonds were made by regular deductions from wages. How many. 20-25% of wages.

        3. Pavlovsk kidok 1991

        1. On January 22, 1991, President of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev signed a decree on the withdrawal from circulation and exchange of 50- and 100-ruble banknotes of the 1961 type. The exchange of withdrawn bills was accompanied by severe restrictions: - tight exchange dates - three days from January 23 to 25 (from Wednesday to Friday). - no more than 1000 rubles per person - the possibility of exchanging the remaining notes was considered in special commissions until the end of March 1991.

        The total amount subject to exchange was 51,5 billion rubles out of 133 billion cash, or about 39 percent of the total cash supply. - At the same time, the amount of cash available for withdrawal at the USSR Savings Bank was limited to not more than 500 rubles.

        2. In the course of the price reform undertaken under the leadership of the last Prime Minister of the USSR, Valentin Pavlov, in 1991, the amounts of 40 percent compensation for household deposits and government bonds were credited to so-called special accounts.

        According to the decree of the President of the USSR dated March 22, 1991 No. UP-1708, no more than 1 rubles were allowed to be withdrawn from each such account, and the remaining amounts were supposed to be frozen for three years with a charge of 200% per annum. The same decree lifted restrictions on withdrawing money from accounts introduced simultaneously with the exchange of 7- and 50-ruble banknotes two months earlier.

        Those. - January 22, 1991 were temporarily frozen deposits of citizens in the Savings Bank of the USSR. Later, deposits were unfrozen - but exactly when the Soviet government raised prices.

        Comment. Under the pretext of “exchanging money,” Pavlov froze the deposits of citizens in Sberbank, which were unfrozen by him only after the price increase that he had carried out and was clearly planned in advance. Those. the true purpose of the decree of January 22, 1991 was precisely the freezing of deposits in view of the increase in prices scheduled for two months by the USSR Government, and the "exchange of money" served as an occasion and a distracting maneuver. Pavlov.

        Simply put - the main goal was to increase prices. Moreover, it is such that it is guaranteed to devalue the purchasing power of the savings of the population. Because Pavlov remembered what happened in 1990, when his then direct boss and predecessor, Ryzhkov, announced the impending price increase - people rushed to the shops and dared to find everything they could. To do this, it was necessary to freeze savings. But for freezing, a reason was needed. And they came up with one - in the form of monetary reform.

        Tell us about the tidings of the royal monarchy and do not forget about modern power!
  7. AKC
    AKC 16 December 2017 19: 22 New
    +4
    I just can’t understand why prices rose? because pests, traitors, fists. private traders were planted and shot before the war. Instead, they organized beautiful effective collective farms that could fill up with cheap products of everyone and everything, the plants were nationalized and became truly popular. led by professional directors! why was it necessary to order lower prices? because if collective farmers and workers are conscious, then they will not raise prices for their products !!!
    Or maybe it was not the collective farmers who raised the prices but the directors of the stores? but it seems that there all the pests were brought out! Or maybe it was not the hard workers with collective farmers and directors who raised prices, but in the ministries? there is only one conclusion: not all private owners and kulaks were shot by Comrade Stalin! therefore, he had to adjust prices!
    what is written in the article is an attempt at mediocrity to justify its monstrous incompetence in government! it is impossible to lower prices by order; prices are set by the market. if the order reduced prices, it means somewhere and at the expense of someone !!! Khrushchov tried to fix what Stalin and his team of "professionals" had done.
    If you follow the Stalinist course, then this is a direct road to disaster since the country becomes dependent on Western technology, financial and grocery deliveries !!! And the people are driven into poverty and slavery and dream of dumping from the country of socialism !!!
    commentators if you are in your evidence which provide statistics, as in the Soviet Union under Stalin, it was wonderful and just heaps and prices fell. and how bad it is now and the authorities do not know how. then use modern statistics that indicate that we are not bad! and confirmation of modern statistics I can see when I go outside, looking at the wealth of people and the assortment of shops!
    1. AKC
      AKC 16 December 2017 19: 43 New
      +4
      add to my comment:
      I don’t understand the admirers of the Union and dreaming of his return, now the purchasing power of the population is such that the scoop is resting, the choice of goods such that our ancestors never dreamed of. And all this has been done without executions, searches for enemies of the people, informers. and ongoing wars and aid to fraternal countries and republics
      1. Pancir026
        Pancir026 16 December 2017 19: 52 New
        14
        Quote: AKC
        I don’t understand the admirers of the Union and dreaming of his return, now the purchasing power of the population is such that the scoop is resting, the choice of goods such that our ancestors never dreamed of.

        oh my God .. well, you have to .. And if you pay people as expected, and not as a devil per capita put? And if you subtract from the shelves foreign consumer goods of low quality. in your present where it’s not so cool ..
        Tell a story about fuels and lubricants ...
        Quote: AKC
        And all this has been done without executions, searches for enemies of the people, informers. and ongoing wars and aid to fraternal countries and republics

        What is it so loud about now? And ... I see, it's about the number of dollar billionaires ... yes, of course ... the truth and 22 million beggars in the country, but it’s like that. Trifle ...
      2. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 16 December 2017 23: 51 New
        11
        What purchasing power, you need to ask grandmothers with grandfathers, they will answer you (
        There are lots of goods, yes .. BUT! What are these products, the vast majority ??? Maybe you like fodder bananas, plastic tomatoes, GMO potatoes, I don’t know .. about ham and sausage, I’m generally silent)) oh yes! Pants have fallen in price, that's for sure, but even then they didn’t go bare-back. The average Russian, how often does he go on vacation?) A teacher at school, for example?
        Al milkmaid ?? Of course, there were their own “gates”, but in general, people lived better. Not rich - yes, but also in poverty, barely making ends meet, working at the same time as some .. while on the next street, citizens who are not producing anything, fool with luxury, if they have strong muscles.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 18 December 2017 08: 18 New
          +6
          Quote: Siberian barber Not rich - yes, but also in poverty, barely making ends meet, working at the same time as some .. while on the next street, citizens who are not producing anything, fool with luxury, if they have strong muscles.

          Many who were born at the end of the 80's in the 90's cannot understand that in the USSR there were collective farms and state farms millionaires with gas in houses and paved streets. How the peasants lived too. Not to understand how much metallurgists and miners earned. They do not know how much a worker really earned whose hands grew from the right place. They don’t understand that the presence of a queue for cars and cooperative apartments completely breaks down all the arguments that people lived poorly. About social guarantees, this is another story. The fact that no one will ever be able to drive you out of the apartment into the street, for this one, you can forgive all the costs of the USSR.
          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 18 December 2017 12: 03 New
            +4
            Well, yes, you don’t understand how it’s not possible to buy an apartment, even if you have money. And how is it to stand in line for a car, and at the same time not be able to buy the car you want, because it is "not supposed to" (I'm on the Volga now). Like this, to go to Moscow for meat, since in your city it is only on the market at horse prices.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 19 December 2017 09: 30 New
              +2
              for “it is not proper” (I am about the Volga now).

              There is something to hate the Soviet regime! And that’s all, you gentlemen.
            2. free
              free 27 February 2018 19: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: Gopnik
              Well, yes, you don’t understand how it’s not possible to buy an apartment, even if you have money. And how is it to stand in line for a car, and at the same time not be able to buy the car you want, because it is "not supposed to" (I'm on the Volga now). Like this, to go to Moscow for meat, since in your city it is only on the market at horse prices.

              You have a distinctive mark for gentlemen, you always have a selfish interest and dominate all other interests. Grandfather Ilyich was right 1000 times when he spoke about the classes of society and their interests.
      3. long in stock.
        long in stock. 18 December 2017 09: 02 New
        +5
        Seriously? I understand that with your mind and with your life experience it’s not very rich, but since the 90s, wars have been going on continuously across all borders. And now there is at least 2. help to the fraternal peoples as it turned out and it turns out. it is necessary, they show themselves in all their glory. there are no executions, but the population rapidly decreased where there are Stalin’s ghouls .. and snitching .... well, you are. iPhones on credit ...
    2. Pancir026
      Pancir026 16 December 2017 20: 04 New
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      Quote: AKC
      I just can’t understand why prices rose?

      Chubais fans do not understand much.
      https://scientificrussia.ru/ne... - цинк

      So here - do not expect results from us, because the USSR is to blame.
      But as we remember, the goal of privatizing and destroying the Soviet economy was not to organize efficient production or improve the quality of goods - the goals were purely ideological - to stop communism.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ7JgKYVjJA
      Theft and crime. That's all you can do.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 17 December 2017 16: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Pancir026
        Chubais fans do not understand much.

        Chubais has no fans, or rather, maybe there are few in the Rusnano corporation that he leads, and those who work in Rusnano are most likely not sitting on this forum laughing
    3. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 16 December 2017 20: 46 New
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      Quote: AKC
      I just can’t understand why prices rose?

      I explain.
      Stalin's housekeeper
      In the USSR, the Bolsheviks discovered a socialist modification of the law of value. As a result of its action, a specific pricing system emerged, which was called the two-level (two-scale) price system, in which the price of equipment did not participate in the pricing. Moreover, all enterprises were oriented to reduce costs their products.
      The finest hour of the socialist economy came in 1947-1954. Then the policy of low prices and the removal of means of production beyond the scope of the law of value bore fruit - creating the possibility of an annual massive reduction in prices for basic consumer goods. Every year, Soviet people could buy more goods per ruble.
      Wholesale prices steadily decreased in production, they acted as an effective lever of economic pressure on the producer of products, forced him to look for ways to reduce costs, and in particular to use the achievements of scientific and technological progress.
      In Soviet society, the law of socialism, formulated by Comrade Stalin, began to operate: "Ensuring maximum satisfaction of the constantly growing material and cultural needs of the whole society through the continuous growth and improvement of a socialist society based on high technology."]
      At the same time, for some time (transitional period) commodity production and commodity-money relations remained, but they lost the capitalist essence in the conditions of the dictatorship of the proletariat. The state through machine-tractor stations (MTS) participated in the production of agricultural products and through public funds distributed the profit to the whole society.

      Khrushevskaya economy
      But in December 1956, under the banner of the struggle against the personality cult, the USSR Academy of Sciences held a discussion on the law of value and pricing, which imposed the opinion that Stalin's restriction of the law of value to the field of consumer goods was a mistake. The transformation of the economy began, which was later called the new economic system, in which, instead of focusing enterprises on reducing the cost of goods, emphasis was placed on profit.
      Khrushchev first eliminated MTS by selling agricultural machinery to collective farms. Thus, the state’s participation through MTS in agricultural production ceased. As a result, some collective farms went bankrupt, could not pay for equipment, their debt was constantly growing, others, stronger, demanded an increase in purchase prices for agricultural products, because they had to include in its price the value of the purchased agricultural machinery.
      Further Economic Transformations 1964-67 with the introduction of cost accounting of enterprises, they led to absurdity - cumbersome and metal-intensive equipment, obviously irrational options turned out to be more profitable for the manufacturer than engineering, progressive products, necessary from the point of view of the national economy, but not profitable for the enterprise. So cheap goods began to be washed, a deficit appeared.
      In order to deceive the people, ideologists from the CPSU (academicians Abalkin, Shatalin, Medvedev, etc.) perverted the basic law of socialism. In its last edition (in 1988) it sounded as follows: "Production in the interests of improving the welfare and free development of the workers' association and each of its members." If Stalin's law oriented the economy toward cost reduction, and showed how to do this on the basis of the latest technology, then the latter focused on making profit without indicating funds. The perestroika law reflected the degeneration of the Soviet economy and Soviet society, which became possible as a result of a massive shift in the consciousness of the working class towards petty-bourgeois ideology, which led to the restoration of capitalism.
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 16 December 2017 21: 45 New
      0
      If you follow the Stalinist course, then this is a direct road to disaster since the country becomes dependent on Western technology, financial and grocery deliveries !!! And the people are driven into poverty and slavery and dream of dumping from the country of socialism !!!
      -Prices grew in PM due to new needs. cat-e "was introduced into the cost of production-- palaces of culture and pioneers, lod stations. trade union rest, pioneer camps and medicine.
      + MOST IMPORTANT - GIVING A PREVIOUS PERIOD TO ALL PEOPLES GO TO A DR. LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS (FROM NATURAL HOUSES) AS "IN THE DEVELOPED WESTERN COUNTRIES" - who could break away from the village
      1. Pancir026
        Pancir026 16 December 2017 22: 00 New
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        Quote: antivirus
        If you follow the Stalinist course, then this is a direct road to disaster since the country becomes dependent on Western technology, financial and grocery deliveries !!! And the people are driven into poverty and slavery and dream of dumping from the country of socialism !!!

        You wrote nonsense.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 17 December 2017 11: 45 New
          0
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          antivirus 17 December 2017 11: 47 New
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          antivirus 3 Today, 11:45
          SM COMMENT ABOVE: AKC Yesterday, 19:22 ↓
          Reply Quote Complaint
      2. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 16 December 2017 22: 12 New
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        Quote: antivirus
        If you follow the Stalinist course, then this is a direct road to disaster since the country becomes dependent on Western technology, financial and grocery deliveries !!!

        Dear, urgently engage in your self-education. Start with a textbook on political economy at this link
        http://anticomprador.ru/publ/53
        1. AKC
          AKC 16 December 2017 22: 42 New
          +2
          after you, in all seriousness, wrote about the new socialist modification of the law of value discovered by the Bolsheviks, this did not stop you from engaging in self-education. Better yet, put this law into practice! having opened any business and not to consider the cost of equipment. and at the same time opening a business on the principle of capoeconomics and see which is more effective.
          Dear, read carefully- Antivirus quoted me! I wrote it;If you follow the Stalinist course, then this is a direct road to disaster since the country becomes dependent on Western technology, financial and grocery deliveries !!! and I will subscribe to every word and give you facts ranging from theft and buying Western technology, begging for money and products, and ending with the desire to flee the country!
          ; toEvery year, Soviet people could buy more goods per ruble.
          the problem is small! find this product, and then the product in the effective economy of the USSR, was in short supply. and the inhabitants of the union when it appeared there was a rush of demand and many took in reserve.
          it is now in backward Russia with poor residents there is no shortage and therefore it does not occur to anyone at the government level to adopt a law similar to that adopted by the Council of Ministers on December 14, 1947, "Norms for the sale of food and industrial goods in one hand."
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 16 December 2017 23: 08 New
            +9
            Quote: AKC
            Dear, read carefully- Antivirus quoted me! I wrote this; if you follow the Stalinist course, then this is a direct road to disaster since the country becomes dependent on Western technology, financial and grocery deliveries !!! and I will subscribe to every word and give you facts, from theft and purchase of Western technology, the begging of money and products, and ending with the desire to flee the country!

            Another nonsense, repeated many times, remains nonsense.
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 17 December 2017 01: 10 New
            10
            Quote: AKC
            after you, in all seriousness, wrote about the new socialist modification of the law of value discovered by the Bolsheviks, this did not stop you from engaging in self-education. Better yet, put this law into practice! having opened any business and not to consider the cost of equipment. and at the same time opening a business on the principle of capoeconomics and see which is more effective.


            You do not read the comments carefully. The economic model described by me only works under real socialism, which was under Stalin. Khrushchev slowly turned it away, and Gorbachov finished it off completely. There will be another transition to socialism, we will take this model of economy as a basis, but for now capitalism ...
            Quote: AKC
            ... goods in the efficient economy of the USSR were in short supply. and the inhabitants of the union when it appeared there was a rush of demand and many took in reserve.

            Under Stalin, there was no shortage, goods were freely on the shelves, firstly, because the money supply corresponded to the volume of goods, secondly, the population was brought up with reasonable sufficiency, no one bought in reserve, because they knew: tomorrow it will be in the store at the same price or even cheaper. Not like now, you spend money right away, stock up for good, because tomorrow the money will depreciate, and the goods will be more expensive.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 17 December 2017 16: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Under Stalin, there was no shortage, goods lay freely on shelves,

              Under Stalin there was a famine of 1932-1933, 1946-1947
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 17 December 2017 18: 18 New
                +8
                Quote: RUSS
                Under Stalin there was a famine of 1932-1933, 1946-1947

                And there were also civil and World War II, then there were also cards ...
                Here you are offended by some comments, but in vain. I, for example. after that, your “comment” I agree with everything that you have been told here.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 17 December 2017 18: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  And there were also civil and World War II, then there were also cards

                  Is it that the Civil War is to blame for the hunger of the 30s?
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  Here you are offended by some comments, but in vain. I, for example. after that, your “comment” I agree with everything that they told you here

                  I like ..... anyway tongue
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 17 December 2017 23: 17 New
                    +4
                    Quote: RUSS
                    Is it that the Civil War is to blame for the hunger of the 30s?

                    It was just logical for you to add this. You do not reckon with the fact that Stalin was given very little time to complete the construction of socialism, then external enemies or internal enemies - they put all the sticks in the wheel. Nevertheless, socialism was built, the finest hour of the Stalinist economy was at the turn of the 40-50s gg The price reduction was in the interests of the whole people, but it hindered someone, and after Stalin's death, having sold MTS equipment to collective farms, they opened the door to a continuous increase in prices for all products.
                  2. free
                    free 27 February 2018 19: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: RUSS
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    And there were also civil and World War II, then there were also cards

                    Is it that the Civil War is to blame for the hunger of the 30s?
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Here you are offended by some comments, but in vain. I, for example. after that, your “comment” I agree with everything that they told you here

                    I like ..... anyway tongue

                    Remove the pan from the head until it has grown.
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          3. antivirus
            antivirus 17 December 2017 11: 54 New
            +2
            there are tasks the cat IVS decided and drifted out of the future

            The IVS did - THE MAIN TRANSFER OF THE USSR FROM THE NATURAL HOUSEHOLD TO THE INDUSTRIAL ERA. The peasants were beggars - they became half-working workers.
            AND ON “IN” MUCH PATRIOTISM AND ATTENTION GEOPOLITICS --- THIS IS THE PRICE OF SATURES UNDER SUNSHIPS- TO SAVE CONTROL OVER EURASIA.
            Now you can abandon the strategic nuclear forces and live satisfying.
            who agrees?"
            WHO IS SINLESS - STORE FOR STONES.

            ACCORDING TO HYDAR, THE PRICE OF THE TRANSITION IS FURTHER (TO THE POSTINDUSTRIAL) - TO THROW HER MONUMENT IN THE YARD OF THE HSE (? I DO NOT REMEMBER) - HOLIDED WITH THESE STONES A 30 M HILL
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      3. Hantengri
        Hantengri 16 December 2017 23: 23 New
        +9
        Quote: antivirus
        If you follow the Stalinist course, then this is a direct road to disaster since the country becomes dependent on Western technology, financial and grocery deliveries !!!

        Why, all of a sudden? Please explain.
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          1. AKC
            AKC 17 December 2017 11: 59 New
            +1
            antivirus!! it’s not customary to read the comments of others, you need to yell out your point of view !!!!, I already explained to the person that you quoted me !!!
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    5. avt
      avt 16 December 2017 22: 45 New
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      Quote: AKC
      because pests, traitors, fists. private traders were planted and shot before the war.

      Teach the materiel not according to Olgovich’s comments, well, if the brain is able to understand something from the crunch of a roll Then, you can come to the realization of a simple fact - for example, where did so many professional workers and engineers of the Soviet School come from - the successor of the imperial, into industrialization, despite
      Quote: AKC
      planted and shot before the war.
      that's straight all in a row. At the same time, again, you can learn that under Stalin the economy was multifaceted. Which under the root, along with household plots Khrushchev cut down.
      Quote: AKC
      add to my comment:
      I don’t understand the admirers of the Union and dreaming of his return, now the purchasing power of the population is such that the scoop is resting, the choice of goods such that our ancestors never dreamed of. And all this has been done without executions, searches for enemies of the people, informers. and ongoing wars and aid to fraternal countries and republics

      You rub this to the same victims of the Unified State Exam who can’t compare, or to those who vilely prefer to remember only the time of Gorbi, when the same tobacco factories were preparing to merge us and the Thai merged.
      Quote: AKC
      Now the purchasing power of the population is such

      You can easily buy shit, but you’ll look for a really good product. The same bread was made without ammonia peroxide and it was not stored for six months so that even the mold flies around it.
      Quote: AKC
      done without executions,

      So, in the saints of the 90s, “so many people died out without war, and just like that, the NKVD rests with a gunshot bandit. And how industry frolic .... but what am I talking about ... folk wisdom is all right - she said - ,, her thought riches "well, and - ,, To teach a fool - only to spoil."
  8. Rostislav
    Rostislav 16 December 2017 20: 12 New
    +6
    I would change the statement of one of the heroes of the movie "We'll Live Till Monday": "After Peter the Great, Russia was not very lucky with the kings" to "After the Stalin of the USSR, and then Russia, it was not very lucky ..."
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 December 2017 00: 03 New
    +2
    There was a Stalinist party-economic nomenclature that lived relatively decently (until they came to arrest at night) and the rest of the Soviet people lived in poverty, from paycheck to paycheck.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 17 December 2017 01: 14 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      There was a Stalinist party-economic nomenclature that lived relatively decently (until they came to arrest at night) and the rest of the Soviet people lived in poverty, from paycheck to paycheck.

      Under Stalin, the nomenclature salary differed by 20 maximum 50%, but for this they served 24 hours a day.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 December 2017 15: 25 New
        +2
        I was born in a nomenclature family (from the Academy of Sciences, my grandfather "helped" with his degree),
        in the prestigious "Stalinist" house.
        But at school I visited enough in the fantastically impoverished communal apartments of my
        classmates. And how their parents borrowed from each other "ruble to salary" when empty
        the fridges have seen enough. And they were not drunks: engineers, workers ...
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 17 December 2017 18: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          how their parents borrowed from each other "ruble to salary" when empty
          refrigerators seen enough

          And where did they spend their salaries? You, apparently, didn’t understand something about infancy then.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 December 2017 19: 01 New
            +1
            I was a smart boy, an excellent student. And quite observant.
            Brezhnev made me laugh since childhood. The class in the 6th I stated in the lesson,
            that there will be no communism.
            The teacher was scared to death, but still asked: "why?"
            I replied that even if they can’t move to separate apartments
            people, then what to talk about? Mom was called to school, but she "fought back."
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 17 December 2017 23: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              I was a smart boy, an excellent student.

              If you are so smart, then answer the question: Where did your friends' parents go about their money if the refrigerators were empty and there wasn’t enough money to pay?
        2. free
          free 27 February 2018 19: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          I was born in a nomenclature family (from the Academy of Sciences, my grandfather "helped" with his degree),
          in the prestigious "Stalinist" house.
          But at school I visited enough in the fantastically impoverished communal apartments of my
          classmates. And how their parents borrowed from each other "ruble to salary" when empty
          the fridges have seen enough. And they were not drunks: engineers, workers ...

          Last name? Address?
    2. apro
      apro 17 December 2017 06: 33 New
      +7
      I understand, Warrior, the work is such ..... but disinfect after work.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 17 December 2017 12: 01 New
        +1
        everyone will live his life
        who live in "poverty". and who die under the Arabs
        each has its own homeland.
        WHERE TO RUN AFTER 19 YEARS ?? FROM NEIGHBORS.
  10. urman
    urman 17 December 2017 09: 31 New
    +2
    There was a time and prices were reduced.
    V S VYSOTSKY.
  11. urman
    urman 17 December 2017 09: 42 New
    +7
    Quote: Alexander Green
    It works only under real socialism, which was under Stalin. Khrushchev slowly turned it down, and Gorbachov finished it off completely

    Quote: Alexander Green
    Under Stalin, there was no shortage; goods lay freely on shelves

    Due to age, I didn’t find Khrushchev either.
    Well, I believe both of my grandmothers.
    And they said that with IVS, there really was no shortage.
    He appeared with a crush.
    A small example of this, about muksun and nelma in stores, I learned from them, but I tried it only when I myself was in the north
    The same thing with caviar, only it was overseas. laughing
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 17 December 2017 10: 18 New
      +3
      but the red caviar was ... yes and the black one too. then tell me that the black caviar is delicious, I would have looked with suspicion at this uncle ...
  12. urman
    urman 17 December 2017 09: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    In each family there were bundles of bonds which were imposed on parents at enterprises. Children often played with them as with toys

    Well, there is some truth in this, I remember even I, the doors glued with bonds glued in the toilet in the country.
    Beautiful ones, it was time to consider laughing
  13. Conductor
    Conductor 17 December 2017 10: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: avt
    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    What are you muttering here ?!

    Whistler with a splash. My ancestors completely cut themselves the Stalin bonds and Brezhnev’s times parents taking into account the denomination cashed. True, unlike yours
    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    grandparents living at that time.

    They did not have so many for stuffing mattresses.
    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    People mattresses burned money.
    Like when they came to them with a question - “Where is this Luda?” They started to burn, so as not to answer the question -
    Well, show me your little hands!
    It hurts you have interesting.
    Why did you find so interesting in my little hands?
    Look, Smoked.
    You are not a professor?
    Not a professor.
    Not a writer or a scientist?
    Not a writer or scientist.
    And your hands are white, delicate and smooth.
    Why, one asks?
    Are you silent
    Well, so I will answer.
    Because you did not do anything worthwhile with these hands.
    You lived your 30 years and ate something all the time!
    He drank hard, slept sweetly.
    At that time, a whole nation was hunching at you, shoeing you, and dressing you.
    He fought for you!
    While you were buzzing with your lime hernia in the rear.
    Where did the mattresses full of money come from after the war?

    He’s seen the movie Change.
  14. Conductor
    Conductor 17 December 2017 10: 06 New
    +8
    Thanks to the author for the article! And then really our liberals are demosos who are not dragged to the top of their memory, And Nikita, and Nicholas 2, and Witte, and forgive Lord Solzhenitsen and EBN overbearing)))) we will soon begin to welcome Kerensky.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 December 2017 10: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Conductor
      Kerensky will begin to welcome soon.

      A bust of Kerensky was installed on the rulers’s avenue, and recently in Ulyanovsk on the facade of gymnasium N1 a memorial plaque was installed for Kerensky, who studied there, so it’s so.
      By the way, when you put a monument to Nazarbayev there?
  15. long in stock.
    long in stock. 17 December 2017 10: 21 New
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    olgovich and maggots ... enchanting fairy-tale duet- TWO AGAINST THE WIND ... fellow
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 17 December 2017 12: 31 New
      18
      Vladimir, hi they have a trio here, you still forgot about RUSS. Same fabulous db fool . In general, it’s ridiculous to read them, especially Olgovich. The peasants didn’t sow it under the king-priest, they didn’t plow, because the bread itself grew on branches, there were jelly rivers and milk shores, all the peasants walked in silk, all literate without exception, each had a personal doctor ... In general, he didn’t LIFE, but raspberries. One thing is not clear, why are they from such a well-fed life of the tsar-priest, then they let them go into the mincemeat?
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 17 December 2017 13: 35 New
        +9
        but because our people are angry and dense .. I didn’t understand my happiness .. it’s such a joy to starve every year so that the tsar’s father would have something to give the balerunka .. wild people ..
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 17 December 2017 16: 18 New
        0
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Same fabulous db

        Watch the sailor's tongue.

        Quote: Varyag_0711
        One thing is not clear, why they from such a well-fed life of the tsar-priest then they allowed

        It’s a pity that you still have a few ghouls, to burn you in hell and to those who imperial family executed without trial and trial, and today’s ghouls who are happy to write about it ....
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 17 December 2017 18: 25 New
          +6
          Quote: RUSS
          It’s a pity that you still have a few ghouls, you’ll be burned in hell, and those who have executed the royal family without trial will be the ones who happily write about it ..

          Are there still today those who believe in hell and paradise. It seems to be all educated ... maybe even they went to the Soviet school ...
        2. Pancir026
          Pancir026 17 December 2017 19: 59 New
          +5
          Quote: RUSS
          today's ghouls

          Names, let’s start with Yeltsin .. further hvit conscience to continue?
        3. Hantengri
          Hantengri 17 December 2017 20: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: RUSS
          It’s a pity that you still have a few ghouls, to burn you in hell and to those who imperial family executed without trial and trial, and today’s ghouls who are happy to write about it ....

          To the French people, for Louis XV | and Marie Antoinette, too, should burn in Hell, do you think? lol
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 20 December 2017 17: 01 New
            0
            Quote: HanTengri
            To the French people, for Louis XV | and Marie Antoinette, too, should burn in Hell, do you think

            Louis and Marie Antoinette were chopped off at least in court.
            And our royal family and servants without charge, without trial ...
        4. free
          free 27 February 2018 19: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Same fabulous db

          Watch the sailor's tongue.

          Quote: Varyag_0711
          One thing is not clear, why they from such a well-fed life of the tsar-priest then they allowed

          It’s a pity that you still have a few ghouls, to burn you in hell and to those who imperial family executed without trial and trial, and today’s ghouls who are happy to write about it ....

          And you don’t touch the Baltic! Although I don’t always agree with him, but now he has thrust it into your breath.
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 17 December 2017 16: 25 New
        0
        Varangian _0711, I look you're red-bellied, and what then does the tsar’s eagle and the cross of St. Andrew the First-Called do on your avatar?
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 17 December 2017 16: 50 New
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          RUSS Today, 16:25 ↑
          Varangian _0711, I look you're red-bellied
          Not “you,” but “you,” I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft.
          and what then does the tsar’s eagle and the cross of St. Andrew the First-Called do on your avatar?
          But this is not your business. Both the avatar and nickname are dedicated to the feat of the cruiser Varyag. Just don’t need me to sing here about the fact that these are tsarist sailors and officers, and they perished for the tsar to be stupid. it русские sailors and officers, and they fought for Russia!
          And then not for you Russophobe and traitor, tell me what to put on the avatar.
          Watch the sailor's tongue.
          And what will happen, hira shaking?
          It’s a pity that you still have a few ghouls, to burn you in hell and to those who imperial family executed without trial and trial, and today’s ghouls who are happy to write about it ....
          They were executed in the case, they fully deserved it. But which of us to burn in Hell is not up to you, the ghoul is Russophobic.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 17 December 2017 18: 28 New
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            And what will happen, hira shaking?

            I didn’t threaten you, but I recommended watching your bazaar.
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            They were executed on business, they fully deserved it

            After this phrase, I am discussing with you for the last time hi
            Goodbye the sailor ....
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 17 December 2017 18: 32 New
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            And then not for you Russophobe and traitor, tell me what to put on the avatar.

            You confuse x .... with a goose neck, I’m certainly an anti-communist, but not Russophobe, it’s you who are the red-bellied anti-communists writing down in Russophobia, foolish b ....
            Regarding the traitor, it’s you and your CPSU who betrayed your homeland, and then betrayed when you dyed it into democrats.
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 17 December 2017 20: 02 New
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              Quote: RUSS
              You confuse x .... with a goose neck, I’m certainly an anti-communist, but not Russophobe, it’s you who are the red-bellied anti-communists writing down in Russophobia, foolish b ....

              Unlike you, we do not confuse who you are.
              And trying to insult the MOST, you indicated how subtle ... you are.
              Every anti-Soviet Russophobe, ultimately, the fate of anti-Soviet Russophobe-Vlasovism.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 17 December 2017 20: 24 New
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                Quote: Pancir026
                Every anti-Soviet Russophobe, ultimately, the fate of anti-Soviet Russophobe-Vlasovism.

                This is not your saying, I do not remember who this one said, laziness in the internet to look for, but nevertheless it is erroneous.
              2. long in stock.
                long in stock. 18 December 2017 07: 21 New
                +2
                As a result, the anti-adviser’s fate is one — it’s a loop and a policeman’s tablet ....
            2. free
              free 27 February 2018 19: 30 New
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              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              And then not for you Russophobe and traitor, tell me what to put on the avatar.

              You confuse x .... with a goose neck, I’m certainly an anti-communist, but not Russophobe, it’s you who are the red-bellied anti-communists writing down in Russophobia, foolish b ....
              Regarding the traitor, it’s you and your CPSU who betrayed your homeland, and then betrayed when you dyed it into democrats.

              Learn from the cedar to see the root!
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 17 December 2017 12: 53 New
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      Quote: long in stock.
      olgovich and maggots ... enchanting fairy-tale duet- TWO AGAINST THE WIND ... fellow

      Quite the contrary, this is the majority on this site against the wind, the wind is now blowing in the other direction and blowing since 1991, and you all cry for the old time, which you will never return.
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 17 December 2017 13: 33 New
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        we have nothing to cry about ... yes and there is no reason. those who have suffered a brain in 91 and a minority put their hands on the wailing wall. and your time will never come. because people see the difference between chatter and deed. but not the case .. even you can’t lie correctly. and for the gifted, the story develops in a spiral .....
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 17 December 2017 16: 23 New
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          Quote: long in stock.
          we have nothing to cry about .. yes and no reason. those who have 91 brain injured

          The Communists pissed off the Union in the 91st and only a handful stood up not to defend it, were you in that small group of people?
          Quote: long in stock.
          .and your time will never come.

          It has already arrived, look around you, the country and the world have changed, and you will oversleep as you slept through the USSR.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 17 December 2017 16: 29 New
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            Well, ok, I was a student. Where have you been?
          2. long in stock.
            long in stock. 17 December 2017 19: 04 New
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            it’s not the communists who were. More precisely, communists like olgovich. you ask who he was then ... and everything will fall into place ...
          3. long in stock.
            long in stock. 18 December 2017 16: 56 New
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            and it will still change ... but never hope not to become a monarchy .... and in 91 I served my homeland. and yes, they raised us on alarm. but the army is discipline. you don’t understand this ...
            1. Gopnik
              Gopnik 19 December 2017 01: 28 New
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              The Russian Federation is now a de facto monarchy. Putin, in fact, has more power than Nikolai.

              Quote: long in stock.
              and in 91 I served my homeland. and yes, they raised us on alarm. but the army is discipline. you don’t understand this ..


              I remembered the joke. After the war, there are Poles, Russian, Serbs and Czechs. The Serb says: “During the war we killed Germans, blew up trains, etc.,” a Russian and a Pole - in the same vein. The Czech listens, sighs and says: “You had a great time. But during the war it was forbidden in our country ...”
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 19 December 2017 06: 06 New
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                Well, you know better .. I do not enter Putin. Yes, and nicholas too ....
  16. Operator
    Operator 18 December 2017 00: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: antivirus
    POWERS HAS BEEN TAKEN BY PEASANTS !!!!!!!! IN THE SVERDLOVSK REGION !!!!!!!!! Right now, at 2 T KM Special Forces must be driven

    What do you smoke? laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 10: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      What do you smoke?

      Afghan, not otherwise. After it, good glitches appear. laughing
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 18 December 2017 12: 50 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Operator
        What do you smoke?

        Afghan, not otherwise. After it, good glitches appear. laughing

        There is no hallucination from marijuana.
  17. antivirus
    antivirus 20 December 2017 09: 39 New
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    Olgovich,
    they demoned me in the jail for 3 days.
    to all the oddball wranglers
    AND ESPECIALLY PRINCESSES-- IN 1913 !!!!!!! WITH POLAND AND THE BALTICS + ZAP Ukrainian AND BELRUS + YOUR MOLDOVA !!!!!!!!! THEN IN THE POOR OF RUSSIA, GROWTH BEGAN TO THE LEVEL OF "EUROPEAN POLAND" CM IS NECESSARY !!! CONSUMPTION BY REGIONS "WITHOUT BINDING TO THE MOON AND SATURN

    and Saturn no longer pour.
  18. avva2012
    avva2012 22 December 2017 03: 17 New
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    bedinvlad,
    Three-room, if same-sex then two.

    According to the norms of that time, heterosexual children should sleep in different rooms. Of course, these norms were not always respected, for one reason or another, and then there was a treshka. Our city was young and therefore, they gave it as it should.
    1. bedinvlad
      bedinvlad 23 December 2017 08: 18 New
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      And so it turns out, children have two rooms and parents have one. My parents got an apartment in 1982 and in the presence of two children did not guarantee a three-ruble note. Therefore, my grandmother was recorded in the warrant.
      And for whom, with two opposite-sex children, was the fourth room intended?
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 26 December 2017 03: 19 New
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        Diverse children should not only sleep in different rooms. Hall and bedroom for parents. You write about 1982 year. I am writing about the end of 60's. Plus a young city that began to be built in 1951. Then the rules were respected.
  19. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 13 February 2018 11: 37 New
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    And then the Trotskyists and the policy of universal equalization with the abolition of Soviet power and the complete domination of the party defeated the USSR. Further, the formation of the new bourgeoisie from the party-economic power! And now Russia is moving at a pace toward absorption by more powerful capitalist predators. The result will be a new Igo.