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100 years of the Cheka. Will Putin return the Iron Felix to the Lubyanka?

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100 years of the Cheka. Will Putin return the Iron Felix to the Lubyanka?



On December 20, the country will celebrate 100 years since the creation of the All-Russian Extraordinary Commission (VChK). Lubyanka Square, which in Soviet times housed the building of the state security body, and now the main computing center of the FSB of Russia, was left without a monument to the founder of the Cheka, Felix Dzerzhinsky: the monument was demolished in 1991 during a coup and never returned to its place. The return of Iron Felix could be a good gift for a significant date, the public said, once again asking the president to restore historical memory.

The All-Russian Emergency Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage became the basis for the state security system of our country and the traditions that were set up then are one of the most important elements of the Russian statehood, the Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov reminded in his address to the president.

“Felix Dzerzhinsky played a decisive role in the formation of the Cheka and determining the appearance of the state security officers. His statement that the security officers must have“ clean hands, a warm heart, a cold head, ”and still is a moral standard for all law enforcement agencies. For the greater part of our society, Dzerzhinsky is one of the most respected political figures of the twentieth century. We are convinced that returning to the center of Moscow a monument to a person who has become a symbol of honesty and selflessness will be obstvovat formation worthy of moral reference points in our society ", - said in the appeal.



The Communist leader emphasized that Dzerzhinsky was not only the head of the Cheka, but also one of Russia's most successful economic leaders, who laid the foundations for the development of the country's economy and committed "one of the greatest humanitarian feats of the last century" - saving millions of street children.

Every year, on the eve of the day of the employee of state security bodies, rival petitions appear on the network - for the return of “Iron Felix” to and against the Lubyanka. It happened in the year of the 100 anniversary of the Cheka.

Restoration of the monument at its historic place could be a good gift for such a significant date, I'm sure the general director of the Center for Political Information, Alexei Mukhin. According to him, the monument is a useful reminder of both positive events and negative experiences.

“Nobody canceled the historical memory. Monuments are a reminder not only of achievements and victories, but also serious mistakes made by various statesmen and the country's leadership during a certain period. Felix Dzerzhinsky is a symbol of the Cheka, the organization on whose shoulders the Soviet Union grew power. Having removed Felix Dzerzhinsky, we are somehow trying to remove certain periods of our history from our memory. Someone perceives his figure in a positive way, someone in a negative way, but this does not cancel it valuable It’s not in either case. Therefore, for some it will be a monument to the “bloody period", and for some this monument will be a reason for pride. In any case, this is a very valuable reminder of the difficult period of our history, the general stories ", - shared his opinion with Nakanune.RU Alexei Mukhin.

Interestingly, on December 10, 14, on the eve of the 100 anniversary of the Cheka, Putin will give a big press conference, perhaps the president, who started his career in the KGB, will have to publicly state his position on this issue. At least, many of him really expect it.


Demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky in 1991

The historian of the special services, Alexander Kolpakidi, notes that most people are in favor of returning to Dzerzhinsky, and Lubyanka without a monument looks scant.

"The idea is very good, correct, especially from a purely visual point of view, the area without its dominant looks awful, with the monument it was one of the most beautiful areas of the country. In addition, it is cynical that most people, according to all sociological polls, believe that the monument must be returned, and the monument, however, 25 does not return the years, while they say that we have democracy and the power of the majority. If the majority requests to return the monument, what kind of democracy is it if it is not restored? " - the historian asks.

It should be noted that now in the square opposite the building of the former NKVD (later the KGB), a reminder of other events - political repression - is perpetuated. Solovki Stone was installed in 1990 in memory of people accused of treason. Documents for mass arrests were signed right here, in the offices of state security agencies.

It turns out that some events - especially negative - are the authorities willing to keep in mind, and others, such as the positive contribution of Felix Dzerzhinsky to the development of the country, erase from history?

“If we do not deny the great period that existed in our history, starting with 1917, the monument to Dzerzhinsky should definitely be restored,” says Mikhail Sveshnikov, a member of the Public Chamber of the Sverdlovsk region of the second convocation. “Now society is politicized, and those people who want to eradicate from memory these historical events, all the best that was created in those years, to attribute to him only a negative value, they certainly have a large administrative resource. It is quite possible that the confrontation will be very Seriously, the whole West, as they say, will raise a howl. But we must be fit for what was good and deny what was bad. Dzerzhinsky fought for the creation of a new state until the last days. Lenin's mausoleum stands on Red Square the same as the monument to Dzerzhinsky on Lubyanskaya Square. Although a stone brought there from GULAG was hoisted there, there is a negative side of those events, but it would be wrong to attribute all the negative features to Dzerzhinsky. "



The authorities are afraid of both Lenin and Dzerzhinsky, as reminders of the possibility of another life and a different state structure.

"I don’t think that the authorities will go to the restoration of the monument, because if she is afraid even of Lenin in the mausoleum, then Dzerzhinsky is not far from herself she is even more afraid, because for her these people are mortal enemies who say that another world is possible “A world without violence and exploitation, and our authorities do not need this,” explained Alexander Kolpakidi on the eve of the day.

Dzerzhinsky argued that the Chekists should have "clean hands, a warm heart, a cold head." Probably, now these ideals have nothing to do with the moral principles of the current law enforcement officers and authorities?

"That ideology and the society to which Dzerzhinsky gave his life are alien to them. Therefore, any opportunities to belittle, eradicate the memory of the descendants of this period, cover everything with black red will be used," Mikhail Sveshnikov added in a conversation with Nakanune.RU.

“The ideals of Dzerzhinsky are absolutely alien to this power in all positions: both unclean hands and cold hearts. Everything is not so. If they don’t install a monument to Dzerzhinsky, let them fulfill the request of the FSB shnik 90's - they will restore the Zubatov monument there. will be a symbol of the current government ", - concluded Kolpakidi.

Recall Sergei Zubatov - an official of the police department of the Russian Empire, who became famous in the early twentieth century for trying to introduce methods of provocation into political life. Zubatovshchina became one of the tsarist government’s struggle with the labor movement on the eve of the 1905-1907 revolution.


Monument to Dzerzhinsky opened in Kirov

With all the wary and cautious attitude of the authorities to the personality of Dzerzhinsky, in law enforcement agencies the figure of the Cheka founder is perceived with pride and respect, I'm sure Mikhail Sveshnikov. This is confirmed by our interlocutors among the "security officers" on condition of anonymity.

"In addition to political activities, which they are now trying to denigrate, Dzerzhinsky did a great deal of organizational work in building the state. In addition to the Cheka, Dzerzhinsky also led several other areas of building the national economy, including the railway, he saved children in terrible conditions without parents. They have done a great deal of government work, and any society uses the services of law enforcement agencies and the work of such bodies as the FSB, while attributing all the horror to the concentration camps Isations are wrong, because a lot was decided by other authorities. This organization stood on the defense of that state, not the same as it is now, "concluded Mikhail Sveshnikov.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 15 December 2017 05: 48 New
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    F.E. Dzerzhinsky is one of the founders and builders of the USSR. And a monument to him should be!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 15 December 2017 05: 55 New
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      Volodya, good morning! He won’t return, unfortunately .. He turned into the mouthpiece of the liberals and defends their values ​​and ideals .. Yes, and this Moscow is a separate principality. An example is the installation of a “shame board” to Lzhenitsyn ...
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      F.E. Dzerzhinsky is one of the founders and builders of the USSR. And a monument to him should be!
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 15 December 2017 06: 01 New
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        Hello Dima ! hi Most likely ..... After an article by K. Semin at VO, it became generally sad in the morning .... fool
        1. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 15 December 2017 07: 04 New
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          F.E. Dzerzhinsky one of the founders and builders of the USSR ???


          Who invented such nonsense?

          "The ideals of Dzerzhinsky are completely alien to this power in all respects ...


          Ideals Polish nobleman, who most of all his life hated RUSSIANS, RUSSIA. "Good for you."

          After the October Revolution and the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks, in Dzerzhinsky, all the vices acquired in youth and all the worst human passions, among which malice, revenge and bloodthirstiness, came first. In his youth, he dreamed (and wrote about it in the diary) get an invisible hat in order to exterminate as many Muscovites as possible.

          DZERZHINSKY introduced a system of hostages and class terror.
          An army of monsters of sadism surged from the social basement hacked by the October coup. With their help, Dzerzhinsky turned Russia into the basement of the Cheka and with the hands of this scum began to defend the Bolshevik revolution.

          In 1918, during the uprising of the Left Socialist Revolutionaries, he was arrested by the rebels, but was soon released from revolutionary solidarity.

          ... a man who has become a symbol of honesty and selflessness
          ,
          During the Civil War, he traveled to different fronts, where he “brought discipline” to merciless terror.

          If this "iron" is so wonderful, then the earthly age was it small?

          But in general, Dzerzhinsky and his ilk were the weapons of God for the admonition of the Russian people who rebelled against the Tsar and forgot the commandments of God.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 15 December 2017 08: 37 New
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            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            If this "iron" is so wonderful, then the earthly age was it small?

            Wow! And Gorbachev, in your opinion, is the “lamb of heaven” that lives so long! Links and shoots of health do not add, you know. And how in prison he took out his consumptive companion for a walk, being himself shackled in shackles .... a rare heart will endure.
            anger, revenge and bloodthirstiness came first.

            That's how he was messing around with homeless children! Well, I just wanted to destroy everyone! And how he was the Minister of Railways ... to the current ministers and learn more.
            One who sincerely gives his heart to people rarely lives to a very old age. God loves to take the best for himself!
            1. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx 15 December 2017 09: 35 New
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              Quote: Egoza
              That's how he was messing around with homeless children! Well, I just wanted to destroy everyone!

              He fed them. Then to eat! Not one of course, along with Stalin.
              Chekist ghouls lead children into the cellars of the Lubyanka. Then, from the kids will cook soup for the leaders of the USSR ...
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 15 December 2017 18: 59 New
                +6
                I did not know that Joseph and Felix ate children.

                I should write to my best friend Nikolai Svanidze, so that he would refine this annoying moment in his descriptions of Stalin;)
                1. jjj
                  jjj 16 December 2017 12: 09 New
                  +2
                  Do you think why, under Brezhnev, one African cannibal was so supported. Traditions...
          2. KOMA
            KOMA 15 December 2017 09: 06 New
            +9
            Poklonskaya-take off the mask, we know you!
          3. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 15 December 2017 10: 46 New
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            Alena Frolovna Today, 07:04 ↑ New
            The ideals of the Polish gentry, who all his life hated most RUSSIANS, RUSSIA. "Good for you."
            Mmmmdyayayaya ... I confessed a better opinion about you.
            He apparently hated the Russians so much that he created the best secret service in the world, which, in your opinion, was apparently the only one who was destroying these same Russians. This structure demonstrated a special atrocity by destroying the most viral person who sincerely "loved" the Russian people, Leon Trotsky, with an ice ax on the head. laughing
            DZERZHINSKY introduced a system of hostages and class terror.
            Have you forgotten anything? The Red Terror was introduced in response to the White Terror. And the Bolsheviks were not the first to use hostages. History should be taught, and preferably not from the books of Rezun, Svanidze, Gozman, and other truly "Russian" historians. negative
            During the Civil War, he traveled to different fronts, where he “brought discipline” to merciless terror.
            And how was it necessary? Turn on your head, at least sometimes. Cruel times require brutal measures. And do not judge those people from a modern point of view, this is at least not objective.
            But in general, Dzerzhinsky and his ilk were the weapons of God for the admonition of the Russian people who rebelled against the Tsar and forgot the commandments of God.
            Perhaps I agree with the previous commentators, Ms. Poklonskaya logged in, we recognize you. Honestly, your scribble already smells like a clinic.
            By the way, learn to write correctly: "Bo’s weaponsgigm, "write correctly" Bo's weaponlivingm ";" rebelled on Цarya, "write correctly" rebel on цarya ";" Commandments BOLII"write correctly" Bo's commandmentsliving"! You should be ashamed, like an adult, but you’re carrying such nonsense! fool
          4. AA17
            AA17 15 December 2017 11: 47 New
            +9
            Dear Alena Frolovna "... After the October revolution and the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks ..." - the phrase is incorrect. The coup was in February. A lot has already been said about this. The king’s circle was directly involved in his abdication. The main role was played by the army elite, led by General Alekseev. About the "weapon of God" you said beautifully. Let us look at the actions of the “Holy Synod of the Orthodox Russian Church in February-March1917. "... In the modern Russian Orthodox Church, it is customary to see the ideal in tsarist power. However, in March 1917 the entire Holy Synod switched to the side of the Revolution. Moreover, the tsarist government was" deacralized "and equated with democracy. The thesis was actually approved and proclaimed: “All power is from God,” that is, a change in the form of state power, revolution is also “from God.” ... At the end of February 1917, the members of the Holy Synod looked at the revolutionary events unfolding in Petrograd with indifference. as the proto-presbyter of the military and naval clergy Shavelsky noted, the cemetery reigned in the synod.The synodal bishops carried out ongoing work, mostly engaged in the solution of various divorce and pension cases ... However, this silence hid antimonarchist sentiments. the reaction of the members of the synod to requests for support of the autocracy by individual citizens of Russia and some government officials received at the end of February 1917. for example, such a request contained a telegram sent on February 23 from the Ekaterinoslav department of the Union of Russian People. The need to support the monarchy was also discussed by the comrade Ober-Prosecutor N. Zhevakhov. At the height of the strikes, on February 26, he invited the chairman of the synod, Metropolitan of Kiev Vladimir (Epiphany), to issue an appeal to the population - "a compelling, formidable warning to the Church, entailing, if disobedient, church punishment." Metropolitan Vladimir, who concealed a grudge against Emperor Nicholas II for interfering with the church’s affairs, namely for his transfer from Petrograd to the Kiev pulpit and having found a reason for personal accounts, refused to help the falling monarchy, despite Zhevakhov’s urgent requests. Ober-Prosecutor N. Raev made a similar proposal to condemn the revolutionary movement on February 27, but the Synod rejected this proposal. .... This indicates that the members of the Holy Synod looked at the process of the collapse of the monarchy calmly and indifferently, without making any attempts to support it, without saying anything in defense of the emperor ... "Mikhail Babkin" The Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Churches and revolutionary events of February-March 1917 ” (magazine "Klio", No. 2, 2002).
            P.S. Something like this.
          5. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 15 December 2017 12: 39 New
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            DZERZHINSKY introduced a system of hostages and class terror

            Alena, I'm sorry they said stupidity. The Red Terror is a response to the White Terror. It could not be otherwise then, there were such times. And before the "Red Terror" the "class enemies" were released under the "honest word" that they would in no way participate against the then authorities. Many kept their word ???
          6. tv70
            tv70 15 December 2017 17: 35 New
            +5
            Well, yes, yes, Judah is the center where it’s better, and the priests, who live not like flocks. Do not push religion here, do not offend my feelings of an atheist. Or is it just me not to offend the feelings of believers?
      2. Chertt
        Chertt 15 December 2017 07: 46 New
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        An example is the installation of a "board of shame" to Lzhenitsyn ...

        This year, as it broke through to all sorts of monuments, boards, memorials, historical events and films. Note the most opposite, mutually exclusive orientation. Someone decided to provoke
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 15 December 2017 08: 56 New
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          Quote: Chertt
          Someone decided to provoke

          The time of provocations and checks has passed.
          "Provocation" is the name of our "elite." We are stupidly confronted with a fact. Disregarding our opinion and the truth of History.
          Recent internal and external events show that we (the people) are neither what nor who.
          We were put in a stall. Our voice, our desires and the truth of the life of celestials are not interested.
      3. Ragoz
        Ragoz 15 December 2017 19: 45 New
        +2
        210qu:
        Modern power loves traitors and provocateurs and hates Russian patriots.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 15 December 2017 06: 20 New
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      Right now, the liberals will scream that Dzerzhinsky personally shot tens of billions of Soviet citizens from his gun. belay
      Felix must be returned to his place, let the liberal contra in anger come vomiting! am
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 15 December 2017 07: 07 New
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        Quote: Alena Frolovna
        army of monsters of sadism

        And you say from a gun shot!
      2. Krabik
        Krabik 15 December 2017 19: 21 New
        0
        You can make a move with a horse, put Felix in his place and bury Lenin!
        1. jjj
          jjj 16 December 2017 12: 13 New
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          In general, hurrying is harmful. Everything must be done thoroughly. The memorial will certainly be on its square. But haste is needed, as folk wisdom correctly observes, only when catching fleas and grater another's wife
    3. iouris
      iouris 18 December 2017 01: 16 New
      +2
      I explain: Dzerzhinsky is the head of the Cheka, the organ of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the FSB of the Russian Federation is the organ of the dictatorship of the bourgeois. The proletariat and the world bourgeoisie are not just antipodes, but antagonists. Or I don’t know something.
    4. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 18 December 2017 14: 31 New
      +2
      Of course it should) But for now it is more modest:
      "... The Russian brand of luxury smartphones Caviar has released a jubilee iPhone X to the centenary of the FSB with a portrait of the Iron Felix (Dzerzhinsky). The design of the smartphones is made in a combination of alligator skin, composite black onyx, gold plating and titanium. The device goes on sale December 20, on the day of employees of state security agencies.
      “The centenary of the FSB is a significant date not only in the lives of the security services, but also in the history of Russia, so we created several design variations - some of them are decorated with a portrait of Felix Dzerzhinsky and pay tribute to the historical figure, others are complemented with an exclusive voluminous emblem" 100 years FSB "", - the company representatives shared.
      The cost of devices varies from 252 thousand rubles to 317 thousand."
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 18 December 2017 16: 18 New
      0
      Putin didn’t bring down the monument; it was not for him to restore it. laughing But is it not weak to conduct a survey among Muscovites and KGB veterans? Surely the answer will be positive.
  2. Knowing
    Knowing 15 December 2017 06: 05 New
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    Anyway, Dzerzhinsky did a lot more for the USSR than Solzhenitsyn and especially Mannerheim winked, so it's time to return Iron Felix - the time has come. ,
    1. 210ox
      210ox 15 December 2017 06: 20 New
      +8
      Oh well! I have matured! Turn to Putin of All Russia, maybe it will come down ..
      Quote: Knowing
      Anyway, Dzerzhinsky did a lot more for the USSR than Solzhenitsyn and especially Mannerheim winked, so it's time to return Iron Felix - the time has come. ,
  3. zoolu350
    zoolu350 15 December 2017 06: 20 New
    +9
    In individuals of the Russian oligarchy from one species of Felix Edmundovich, profuse diarrhea begins. So they are not enemies and will not restore the monument.
  4. cedar
    cedar 15 December 2017 07: 47 New
    +5
    It is necessary to return under one indispensable condition - maintaining in its place the “Solovetsky Stone”.
    ELEPHANT, Solovetsky Camp for Special Purpose - this is a place of extermination of the elite of the Russian Empire.
    The Cheka has two sides ... Let both monuments resemble and do not let us forget the history of our country.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 December 2017 08: 18 New
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      Quote: cedar
      the destruction of the elite of the Russian Empire.

      Serebryannikov, Sobchak, Gozman and others also consider themselves ELITE!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 15 December 2017 08: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Serebryannikov, Sobchak, Gozman and others also consider themselves ELITE!

        And what is there under the pebble little space?
    2. sigdoc
      sigdoc 15 December 2017 08: 18 New
      +6
      The Mudyug concentration camp should also not be forgotten by other feats of the "elite".
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 15 December 2017 08: 11 New
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    100 years of the Cheka. Will Putin return the Iron Felix to the Lubyanka?
    .... Putin kept silent for 100 years of the October Revolution ... Without November 7, there is no December 20 either .. One follows from the other ... So they will notice .. a little ..
    1. avt
      avt 15 December 2017 10: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      ... Putin kept silent for 100 years of the October Revolution ... Without November 7, no and December 20 .. One follows from another ...

      good So, for the sake of chance, for those who wish to think - the acronym of the Cheka was supplemented by seeming - to combat sabotage and counter-revolution "So what? Doesn't it wind up anything?wassat Well, then it was GePeU. Rummaging reluctance about the meaning of letters? bully Well, on the sweet side - a separate oath, practically, of the advanced detachment of the Central Committee of the Communist Party "- ,, To be selflessly devoted to the cause of the party ..." So what? They will put Felix in the center of Lubyanka Square and everything will resolve by itself? bully On the 9th mausoleum at the foot of which the Nazi banners threw rags in a row, and then got out of control - Felix give them to Lubyanka bully As a joke I remembered -Hare animals for the new year to put the trees to guard, but then the wolf decided to cut the tree. Hare - ,, Right now, the bear I wake up! "Wolf - ,, Hare ..... Well, at least give a pine!" ,,Okay . Pine, cut a birch and take a quick one out of the forest. "So buy tickets for Serebryakov’s ballet," Nuriev "and here you have Prince Vladimir Equal-to-the-Apostles against Borovitsky Gates bully
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 December 2017 11: 27 New
        +2
        Well, at least give a pine! ", Okay. Pine, cut a birch and take a quick out of the woods."
        . good ... Here it is ...
  6. odometer
    odometer 15 December 2017 08: 37 New
    +8
    And in my opinion, the moral standard has long been a certain Zakharchenko, an ex-colonel ...
  7. Zubr
    Zubr 15 December 2017 09: 29 New
    +7
    This is our story, and history must be known and respected. And the monument, Dzerzhinsky must be returned to the Lubyanka. And no matter how there our opposition elite did not strain the rolls in the gallops "against all", by their will they will never be.
  8. cannabis
    cannabis 15 December 2017 09: 38 New
    +4
    Melgunov The Red Terror in Russia. “Yes, human life costs little in Soviet Russia. The representative of Moscow in Kungurskaya, Ch. K. Gol-din, clearly described it:“ We don’t need evidence, interrogations, or suspicions for execution. We find it necessary and shoot, that's all ” . [230] And that’s really it! Is it possible to better describe the principle of the emergency commissions? "
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 15 December 2017 11: 16 New
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      cannabis today, 09:38
      Melgunov The Red Terror in Russia. “Yes, human life costs little in Soviet Russia. The representative of Moscow in Kungurskaya, Ch. K. Gol-din, clearly described it:“ We don’t need evidence, interrogations, or suspicions for execution. We find it necessary and shoot, that's all ” . [230] And that’s really it! Is it possible to better describe the principle of the emergency commissions? "
      Firstly, it is a LIE!
      Secondly, for the execution of Chubais (and one and the other), Gorbachev, Kravchuk, Gozman, Sytin, tsipko, Svanidze, Sobchak, Makarevich, Amanuel, and other things, I personally do not need any evidence, interrogations, courts or sentences! They were already very much supported on Earth, the devils have been putting absenteeism for a long time to them in Hell. Do you want to protect them? Then you need to attach themselves to them in the queue, the people should know their "Hiroi" ... laughing
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 15 December 2017 11: 51 New
        +2
        Another crazy revolutionary ...
  9. Old26
    Old26 15 December 2017 09: 56 New
    +8
    Quote: Knowing
    Anyway, Dzerzhinsky did a lot more for the USSR than Solzhenitsyn and especially Mannerheim winked, so it's time to return Iron Felix - the time has come. ,

    Unfortunately, the probability of this event is zero. Anyone will agree to return (a monument), but not Dzerzhinsky.
  10. Odysseus
    Odysseus 15 December 2017 09: 56 New
    +7
    No, “Collective Nureyev,” that is, the Russian authorities will not return Dzerzhinsky.
    Moreover, the very statement of such a question suggests that the author of the article misunderstands the current reality.
    The authorities will spend the Solzhenitsyn’s anniversary year with great pleasure.
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 December 2017 10: 10 New
    +9
    Will Putin return the Iron Felix to the Lubyanka?
    A man who hates everything Soviet, why do he need monuments reminiscent of a country that he consistently destroyed in the 90s?
  12. Overlock
    Overlock 15 December 2017 10: 19 New
    +3
    Dzerzhinsky’s ideals are absolutely alien to this power in all respects: both unclean hands and cold hearts.
    -------------------
    I propose to correct the monument to Dzerzhinsky - to install it on a gelendvagen, and then on a pedestal. And it will look modern-Dzerzhinsky on Gelendvagen!
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 December 2017 10: 47 New
    +7
    My personal opinion is that the monument must be returned to its place, as a monument to a person not with a simple fate, who has done a lot for the country and for contemplation by the current "liberals" (completely lost reference points. "
  14. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 15 December 2017 10: 57 New
    +7
    They DO NOT RETURN why, who F.E.DZERZHINSKY is, an outstanding personality of the beginning of the construction of the USSR, an excellent revolutionary, as an example to follow all revolutionaries, especially during the late 50s and early 60s when the revolutions covered Africa, Latin America, Asia . Che Guevara is the fiery afterlife of Felix. I will not talk about his economic activities, we all know what he was doing, except for the Cheka (Chairman of the Supreme Economic Council, People’s Commissar of Railways, etc. ..), only what he did was fight against homelessness and hundreds of thousands of boys and the girls went to PEOPLE, became the basis of that backbone that broke the fascist beast, it was his children who commanded companies, battalions, regiments, it was his children who worked in factories and research institutes, forged weapons, it was his children who participated in the creation of the Rodina’s nuclear shield, it’s his children created the cosmic power of the COUNTRY. Where are all these NGOs that are now, political, public figures who don’t see street children in the 21st century, that’s why they won’t put the monument back because they didn’t and cannot do it. Not that political will, not that caliber of economic, social decisions, nor those moral standards, that's why they will not set, they are weak both in body and spirit. They can talk, chat, saw, share, grab, but CREATE, MULTIPLE, BUILD, CREATE it is not given to them.
  15. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 15 December 2017 11: 23 New
    +2
    In fact, all these “monuments”, “memorial plaques” and other “reminders” do not lead to anything good. Times are changing, assessments of personalities are changing, the political system in countries is changing, yes everything is changing, and therefore all these “monuments” - “reminders” become only “an apple of discord” dividing society, eliminating “old wounds” and hostilities and not allowing society to consolidate for further forward movements, like "weights" hang on their feet. For example, in Spain, after a bloody civil war, in order to consolidate society faster, it was decided not to put public monuments to the victorious "heroes" of that war at all, and this is the right decision.
  16. Radikal
    Radikal 15 December 2017 11: 59 New
    +1
    210Stock Today, 05: 55 ↑
    Volodya, good morning! He won’t return, unfortunately .. He turned into the mouthpiece of the liberals and defends their values ​​and ideals .. Yes, and this Moscow is a separate principality. An example is the installation of a “shame board” to Lzhenitsyn ...
    ... and the "lament walls in Moscow" sad
  17. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 15 December 2017 12: 06 New
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    Everything is said in the last paragraph of the article! But Felix Edmundovich is associated precisely with the Cheka ...
  18. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 15 December 2017 13: 09 New
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    Do not return the monument to Dzerzhinsky under capitalism. It is simply incompatible at the level of concepts:
    Who was Dzerzhinsky? The creator and chairman of the Cheka.
    How is the Cheka decrypted? All-Russian Extraordinary Commission to Combat counterrevolution and sabotage.
    In 1991 in the USSR there was a real counter-revolution (a change in the social system).
    How can the authorities in the country of the victorious counter-revolution erect a monument to the fighter against counter-revolution?
    1. anjey
      anjey 15 December 2017 15: 26 New
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      for the consolidation and reconciliation of the people, all means are good for a smart and visionary government. Let’s live and see a monument to Dzerzhinsky in the square ...
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 15 December 2017 19: 30 New
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        Quote: anjey
        smart and visionary government

        Reminds a female description of the ideal man :)
  19. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 15 December 2017 15: 08 New
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    And who, up to Felix, stood on that pedestal? If we talk about the fairness and historicity of the issue of restoration of monuments, so it must be remembered. For many of the VO, the history of the world began with the 1917 revolution of the year, and before this “historical” event our planet Earth was empty, some dinosaurs were running ... (with Mr. Darwin)
    1. anjey
      anjey 15 December 2017 15: 44 New
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      and ancient Jews ran after dinosaurs, and that was not for the purpose of hunting but to sell something to any living creature on earth ...
    2. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 15 December 2017 16: 36 New
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      Quote: Evgenijus
      And who before Felix then stood on that pedestal?

      No one was standing there. There was a fountain in which horsemen gave horses a drink.
      November 7, 2017 - the 100th anniversary of the Great Socialist October Revolution. Press Secretary Peskov: "Why celebrate that?"
      December 20, we are waiting for the next Peskov pearl.
  20. anjey
    anjey 15 December 2017 15: 09 New
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    but attributing all the negative traits to Dzerzhinsky would be wrong. "
    I completely agree, historical justice requires an objective assessment of historical figures, and so Peter the first — for personally chopping off the heads of criminals — can easily be written down as bloody maniacs and start a war with his monuments, there would be customers, I think Soviet leaders are spreading swindles, starting from the treacherous Gorbachev era, at the direction and payments of the West, for the collapse and weakening of the ideology of the CPSU and the USSR in those days, and now Russia is under the strong pressure of pro-Western liberalism, an example is Solzhenitsyn’s board — I’m not against his work about what’s experienced — but to make it some kind of ideological banner and use as a counterweight to any power is wrong, there must be a law of the golden mean, without excesses to the right or left ...
  21. Lexus
    Lexus 15 December 2017 15: 50 New
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    The positive answer to the question raised in the article is: "The mice decided to perpetuate the memory of the mousetrap."
    1. anjey
      anjey 15 December 2017 16: 17 New
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      the capitalist "mousetrap" is no better than how many such mice are gone ahead of time and in the prime of life and how much more will go away, and for many old people there are bloodsuckers, black realtors, debts, bandits, showdowns, the criminal mafia has long grown together with the political, homeless, homeless people , unemployment is shorter than the black roof above the roof and the laws do not always put it mildly, they rule ..., about corruption and I can’t say that the dying villages without hospitals are the result of optimization and the theory of single-industry towns ...
      1. anjey
        anjey 15 December 2017 16: 23 New
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        but I don’t feel like remembering tsarist tyranny and unwashed Russia before 1917 ... it was not for nothing that the Decembrists were in our history ...
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 15 December 2017 16: 58 New
          +5
          If the king was in power, in 1941 the Nazis would meet with the Japanese in the Urals ...
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 15 December 2017 16: 56 New
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        I'm talking about the bureaucracy, actually ...
        1. anjey
          anjey 15 December 2017 17: 31 New
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          an official, he is an official under any authority, only with advice he was more quick and honest, since Felix’s iron sword was a punishing law ....
  22. midshipman
    midshipman 15 December 2017 18: 51 New
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    I personally want the monument to return to its original place. He was a great man.
    In the 80s I had to work a lot with the KGB. The enterprises subordinate to me have created AS for controlling the movement of deep cars in Moscow and other cities of our country. Thanks to this speaker, it became clear who the foreigner was meeting, whom he was waiting for, or what he was putting in the cache. We worked on a grand scale and love for the country. I have the honor.
  23. Sadam
    Sadam 15 December 2017 22: 05 New
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    my brain begins to boil at such a frequency of changing ideals of rewriting history. in my memory, it already happened that atheists all went to church in a system, put the communist idols in a closet and took it out again .... for one generation it's too much ...
    1. LPD17
      LPD17 19 December 2017 21: 19 New
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      drink maple syrup. We ourselves are like a thread. Our story is unpredictable ...
  24. Radikal
    Radikal 15 December 2017 22: 37 New
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    Quote: Alena Frolovna
    F.E. Dzerzhinsky one of the founders and builders of the USSR ???


    Who invented such nonsense?

    "The ideals of Dzerzhinsky are completely alien to this power in all respects ...


    Ideals Polish nobleman, who most of all his life hated RUSSIANS, RUSSIA. "Good for you."

    After the October Revolution and the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks, in Dzerzhinsky, all the vices acquired in youth and all the worst human passions, among which malice, revenge and bloodthirstiness, came first. In his youth, he dreamed (and wrote about it in the diary) get an invisible hat in order to exterminate as many Muscovites as possible.

    DZERZHINSKY introduced a system of hostages and class terror.
    An army of monsters of sadism surged from the social basement hacked by the October coup. With their help, Dzerzhinsky turned Russia into the basement of the Cheka and with the hands of this scum began to defend the Bolshevik revolution.

    In 1918, during the uprising of the Left Socialist Revolutionaries, he was arrested by the rebels, but was soon released from revolutionary solidarity.

    ... a man who has become a symbol of honesty and selflessness
    ,
    During the Civil War, he traveled to different fronts, where he “brought discipline” to merciless terror.

    If this "iron" is so wonderful, then the earthly age was it small?

    But in general, Dzerzhinsky and his ilk were the weapons of God for the admonition of the Russian people who rebelled against the Tsar and forgot the commandments of God.

    Dear Mr. Gozman, You have confused the Knight of the revolution with Mr. Trotsky! wassat
  25. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 16 December 2017 05: 43 New
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    That is, the FSB officers ... ruining the country ... demolishing the monument ... will now return it? It’s ridiculous. They themselves will be categorically against it. Gelendvagen in the heart forever.
  26. leonid-zherebtcov
    leonid-zherebtcov 17 December 2017 14: 15 New
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    Yes, this is all demagoguery ... the monument needs to be restored, and "the liberals should soap the withers."
  27. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 18 December 2017 06: 52 New
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    So, it seems, they cleaned the area from stone? It's time to put a monument.
    Although there is still an option: in place of Vladimir. And that in Museum on Crimean.
  28. serge siberian
    serge siberian 18 December 2017 17: 45 New
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    to whom, Iron Felix, across the throat, and yapping from under the bench at him. And if the Cheka-KGB-FSB still exists, then the country will live. With the coming YOU KGB! soldier
  29. LPD17
    LPD17 19 December 2017 21: 18 New
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    returned his name to Stalingrad?
    but the board Solzhenitsyn, state award-Alekseeva, Yeltsinoidu-Center!

    wait nunun wait