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Artillery compounds are amplified by heavy systems.

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation began large-scale reform of artillery units. The artillery regiments and brigades receive the MLRS "Uragan-M1", self-propelled guns "Msta-M2" and drones, the artillery systems of the ultra-high power - "Peonies" and "Tulips" are reported, News.




The military told the newspaper about a change in the structure of artillery formations: “Earlier in the artillery regiments of divisions there were two divisions equipped with self-propelled howitzers and one division of multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) Grad. The same amount of artillery was in the combined arms brigades. From the autumn of this year, divisions of the 220-millimeter Hurricane MLRS began to appear in artillery regiments and brigades.

As military expert Viktor Murakhovsky noted, with the advent of “Hurricanes” “the firepower of the formations increases significantly.”

"Hurricanes" is a universal system. For them, developed a new ammunition - cluster, volumetric explosion, increased range. Also this MLRS can use ammunition from "Grad" caliber 122 mm,
he said.

According to sources in the Ministry of Defense, in the future, the supplied MLRS will be replaced by more advanced Uragan-M1. About this MLRS little is known. However, experts note that “batch loading of launchers using transport-launch containers will significantly increase the rate of fire”. It is known that in the arsenal of the "Hurricane-M1" there are guided missiles. And thanks to the automated control system (ACS) and the onboard computer system, the MLRS can destroy targets in real time without interfering with the calculation.

The rate of fire has increased multiple. Now you can quickly recharge and give not one, but two volleys, without changing positions. Such opportunities are especially in demand in areas where the enemy is actively engaged in counter-battery struggle,
explained Murakhovsky.

In addition, long-distance howitzers “Tulips” and “Peonies” are returned to the connections.
The system's rate of fire has increased multiple, - said Victor Murakhovsky. - Now you can quickly recharge and give not one, but two volleys, without changing positions. Such opportunities are especially in demand in areas where the enemy is actively engaged in counter-battery struggle.

The main trump card of "Tulips" and "Peonies" is powerful projectiles that can hit well-fortified targets. The experience of the conflicts of recent years has shown that 122 mm or 152 mm artillery systems are not effective enough. The capacity of their ammunition is not enough to destroy not only the firing points in urban buildings, but also competently erected field fortifications. For this reason it was decided to return to the army powerful calibers,
told military expert Anton Lavrov.

In addition to long-range howitzers and MLRS artillery brigades and regiments will receive unmanned reconnaissance complexes with automated control systems (ACS). The appearance of an unmanned artillery reconnaissance system (BKAR) “Orlan-10” will seriously affect the tactics of combat.

As reported to the publication in the military, "Orlans" were tested at the end of last year. From the autumn of this year, the complexes began to enter the army.

"BKAR" Orlan-10 "consists of several UAVs, an information analysis and processing station, as well as an automated control system," explained the Ministry of Defense. “The complexes are equipped with miniature radio reconnaissance stations that allow the detection of enemy command posts, firing positions of the MLRS, cannon artillery and communication stations.”

Unmanned systems have become an important tool in modern warfare. They allow you to find targets in real time behind enemy lines. And also seriously save ammunition - the complex allows you to adjust the shooting,
noted Lavrov.
Photos used:
RIA Novosti / Vitaliy Ankov
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 14 December 2017 08: 54 New
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    I am only pleased with the power of our artillery!
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 14 December 2017 09: 00 New
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      Volodya, hello! hi I was interested in this moment:
      Hurricanes is a universal system. New ammunition has been developed for them - cluster munitions, surround explosions, and increased ranges. Also, this MLRS can use ammunition from the Grad 122 mm caliber

      This is with the caliber "Hurricane" in 220 mm. How is this implemented? what
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 14 December 2017 09: 09 New
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        Hello max! hi Have you ever shot 16 out of 12? You wind up the newspaper on the sleeve and in the trunk. And here they come up with a spacer.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 14 December 2017 09: 13 New
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          Shot wink I also thought about it, something like a case or a container that opens when shot. So in the experimental shooter under the arrow-shaped slaughter elements did. I hope a guru appears (without irony) Lopatov and will clarify this point. Well, or someone knowledgeable in this matter.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 December 2017 09: 49 New
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          Quote: Uncle Lee
          You wind up the newspaper on the sleeve and in the trunk. And here they come up with a spacer.

          Belarusian version, "loose stems" 8)))
          But once again I repeat, they did this not for military use, but for training purposes. It hurts "tornado" missiles of the road.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 December 2017 09: 13 New
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        Quote: Jedi
        This is with the caliber "Hurricane" in 220 mm. How is this implemented?

        Shooting from transport and launch containers. That is, now, in fact, drummed for calibers.

        By the way, Belarusian “Tornadoes” also know how to shoot with Grad shells. But there it is done for training purposes
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 14 December 2017 11: 50 New
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          Thanks for the clarifications. hi
      3. san4es
        san4es 14 December 2017 10: 40 New
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        Quote: Jedi
        ... This is with the caliber "Hurricane" in 220 mm. How is this implemented? what

        hi ...Hi, Max.
        Replaceable containers soldier

        ... For the fine print - sorry
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 14 December 2017 11: 49 New
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          Sanya, hi! hi Thanks, now it’s clear.
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    2. Teberii
      Teberii 14 December 2017 09: 02 New
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      Keep under the eye "potential friends" who are grouped along our borders.
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 14 December 2017 09: 06 New
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      In my opinion, it is not necessary to increase the size of the caliber, but to increase the accuracy of the hit, it would also be desirable for an adequate price. For example, as an analogue of SVP-24 in aviation. Perhaps in 2с35 this idea will be brought to production samples.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 14 December 2017 10: 08 New
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        on the contrary, precision is unnecessary, MLRS, unlike artillery, are hit in HUGE areas, here you need a LARGE caliber-length and a CHEAPEST shot. the first is necessary for stuffing cluster munitions, including those with SPBE. For example, a reference point came to you that an enemy is sitting in forest X, with art, you will clear this forest for a long time, but with an MLRS just for one volley at the expense of synergies of explosions you destroy the enemy along with his equipment and forest. Well, in addition, the MLRS needs more long-range and accurate ammunition for destroying enemy bases, but this is "desirable", because the cost of such missiles will be close to the cost of the CR \ BR, which ultimately will kill all the advantages of the MLRS due to stinginess in the consumption of ammunition.
    4. Biko50
      Biko50 20 December 2017 06: 10 New
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      Russian artillery has always been the best in the world.
  2. Berber
    Berber 14 December 2017 09: 01 New
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    The Soviet backlog began to be used in full. T 80 return, Peonies, Tulips.
  3. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 14 December 2017 09: 02 New
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    Will we again level the geyropu with the earth? If so, then this is great! These ki must answer for their atrocities, starting with Napoleon and ending with the support of the Bandera junta. I really hope that the "tulips" and "peonies" still have neutron ammunition.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 14 December 2017 09: 23 New
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      Well, if you are of military age, then before the New Year holidays you will be in time at the draft board.
      1. Biko50
        Biko50 20 December 2017 06: 11 New
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        Are you of military age?
    2. RL
      RL 14 December 2017 10: 44 New
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      Will you level Asia with the earth? For the Tatar-Mongol yoke?
      1. Krasnyiy komissar
        Krasnyiy komissar 14 December 2017 11: 28 New
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        Asia did not try to destroy my people, and the "universal people" in the 40s tried. Your country then actively helped the Reich, generously supplying it with military products. We all remember and have not forgiven you anything, even if some representatives of our elite say the opposite.
      2. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 20 December 2017 07: 22 New
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        Quote: RL
        Will you level Asia with the earth? For the Tatar-Mongol yoke?

        You dear, apparently, do not know how German units abandoned their positions after seeing the Tuvan cavalry with hellish amulets on their neck .....
        Remember in peacetime we are enlightened Europeans, when the Russian Federation is in danger, it turns into an enlightened but merciless Asia ....
        While Russia seized land in Asia, it gradually took all the best from its peoples ...
    3. Mih1974
      Mih1974 15 December 2017 21: 36 New
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      Yes, all this goes and the return from the Urals of the "flowers" speaks only about one thing - preparation for the use of "nuclear artillery" belay soldier That's just such "flowers" make the war completely different, no longer will have to die 600 THOUSANDS for the "liberation" of Poland, now "throwing flowers" - we clear the road in front of our troops. Of course, the “liberated” territories will have to be crossed quickly enough, but it’s better to bury tens of millions of our people again. am
  4. tchoni
    tchoni 14 December 2017 09: 06 New
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    Artillery systems of superhigh power are returned - "Peonies" and "Tulips",
    Back to the concept of tactical nuclear strikes !? - perhaps, as an asymmetric answer, it’s even nothing)
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 14 December 2017 10: 14 New
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      Yes, no, just "the mess continues", "a new broom sweeps the old one and remears the previous one."
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 December 2017 09: 13 New
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    It seems that they have already "harnessed" ... The Tulip mine, corrected by the drone, is the HORROR of the leading edge. Only in armored caps or bunkers can you hide ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 December 2017 09: 15 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Corrected by drone mine "Tulip"

      There is nothing to correct.
      Although this problem arose even during the storming of Grozny in the second war.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 December 2017 09: 26 New
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        It’s much more important to just saturate UAV artillery reconnaissance ... Real-time fire correction, without the risk of losing a fire spotter, will give a huge leap in accuracy and reduce ammunition ... and then they will get to GLONAS either from guidance from the UAV. Mina 240mm will allow this to be done.
        1. Alexander War
          Alexander War 14 December 2017 09: 39 New
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          So the Orlan-10 UAV acts to correct the MLRS. Here, even out of 404, we also went our way
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 December 2017 09: 43 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          It is much more important to just saturate UAV artillery reconnaissance ..

          This decision suggests itself. But it is wrong.
          The effect can be achieved only by integrated solutions combining both the ground and air components of artillery instrumental reconnaissance.

          Quote: Zaurbek
          and there they will reach GLONNAS as well before guidance from an UAV.

          These systems do not provide the necessary accuracy.
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 14 December 2017 10: 17 New
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            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Zaurbek
            and there they will reach GLONNAS as well before guidance from an UAV.

            These systems do not provide the necessary accuracy.

            And what systems or methods give the "necessary" accuracy? and what is "necessary" "accuracy"?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 December 2017 11: 02 New
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              Quote: ProkletyiPirat
              And what systems or methods give the "necessary" accuracy? and what is "necessary" "accuracy"?

              A direct hit on target is required. And this can only be achieved by semi-active LGSN and backlight. Well, or other methods of increasing the accuracy of ammunition that uses global positioning data.
              For example, the Italo-German consortium in their Vulkano shells, in a controlled version, install either LGSN or IKGS to destroy point targets. In addition to the control system using inertial data with their correction by GPS
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 14 December 2017 11: 31 New
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                This is important, but in 95% of the needs when shooting from a mortar, the exact coordinates of the target, topographic location and real-time correction are important. Mina - OF. And the task of the mortar is not to shoot at the tanks ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 14 December 2017 12: 10 New
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                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  This is important, but in 95% of the needs when shooting from a mortar, the exact coordinates of the target, topographic location and real-time correction are important. Mina - OF. And the task of the mortar is not to shoot at the tanks ...

                  The fact is that smaller caliber cope perfectly with firing at squares.
                  The 240 mm mortar is a niche thing. For a simple war, "in the fields" is clearly redundant, although it is armed with a cluster mine.
                  Fighting in cities, in the mountains - i.e. in areas where it is necessary to hit heavily defended targets in places inaccessible to howitzer and especially cannon artillery. For example, on the reverse slopes of heights, in areas with high-rise dense buildings, etc. The second is the defeat of various kinds of fortifications.
                  That is, they are intended to defeat primarily point targets. And here there are two options. Or apply existing correctable mines (and possibly controlled, which still need to be developed). Or carry out a very long shooting at their rate of destruction. Ordinary mines.
                  1. ProkletyiPirat
                    ProkletyiPirat 14 December 2017 13: 42 New
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                    Did I understand correctly? that the main reason is not the weakness of the power of the 152mm caliber in terms of destruction of the shelter (compared to 240mm), but the trajectory of the projectile along a steeper trajectory. That is, if there is a 152mm mortar and, accordingly, 152mm min, their power will be enough to destroy the same shelters for which the 2C4 Tulip is now used.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 14 December 2017 16: 44 New
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                      Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                      That is, if there is a 152mm mortar and, accordingly, 152mm min, their power will be enough to destroy the same shelters for which the 2C4 Tulip is now used.

                      For most, yes.
                      Only the mortar is not 152, but 160.
                      1. ProkletyiPirat
                        ProkletyiPirat 14 December 2017 17: 50 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        For most, yes.

                        What can be the goals that 152-160mm can’t cope with but more than 200 + mm can cope? Why is 152-160mm not enough? what's the trouble?
      2. Alexander War
        Alexander War 14 December 2017 09: 32 New
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        In Syria, our experienced a new UAV
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 December 2017 09: 45 New
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          The trouble is that this is only possible with baboons. Normal will not allow enemy drones to hang over their units.
          1. RL
            RL 14 December 2017 10: 41 New
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            Question to you, dear Lopatov.
            "Peony" shoots at 35 km with the usual OFS, with the AR OFS, like, at 50 km. What is the maximum circular deviation in the target when shooting “at the peg” remote, at least 30 km, in perfect weather without wind and rain?
            Sorry for the possible incorrect terms.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 December 2017 11: 09 New
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              Nobody will tell you this, as far as I know, there are no open access shooting tables for “Peony” / “Malki”.
              But the dispersion ellipse, especially in range and especially the ARS, is so large that the self-propelled guns have no noticeable advantages over the MLRS. With a very, very low rate of fire.
      3. Glory1974
        Glory1974 14 December 2017 14: 41 New
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        There is nothing to correct.
        Although this problem arose during the assault on Grozny in the second war

        And with what corrected? I saw vehicles based on infantry fighting vehicles from which they "highlighted" targets, and mines lay very accurately.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 December 2017 16: 47 New
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          Quote: glory1974
          And with what corrected?

          Rangefinder target designator. That one is a tomb.

          Quote: glory1974
          I saw vehicles based on infantry fighting vehicles from which they "highlighted" targets, and mines lay very accurately.

          EIRs cannot highlight the target. For some reason they thought that was redundant for them.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 15 December 2017 21: 39 New
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      No, it doesn’t help, in the video about the "flower" they just said that they were from the first "mine" (well, the hand doesn’t rise that one man loads a normal mortar with his hands) they turned a target bunker into the dust that the gunners shot for years. laughing good So no bunker will help here, the problem there is a huge mass of explosives, even if it doesn’t break through - everything in the bunker is either dead or shell-shocked, but not fighters anymore.
  6. PalBor
    PalBor 14 December 2017 09: 26 New
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    A "Tulip" howitzer? I thought a mortar ... Well, okay ...
    1. Krasnyiy komissar
      Krasnyiy komissar 14 December 2017 11: 30 New
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      Self-propelled mortar. A howitzer can fire direct fire if necessary, and a mortar fires only in a canopy.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 14 December 2017 14: 05 New
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        the mortar can also fire direct fire from open and half-closed positions, take the same 2B9 (2B9M) “Cornflower” from it “Elevation angle: from −1 ° to + 85 °” or take AMOS from it “−3 ... + 85 °” There the difference is not in guns, but in shells and practical accuracy.
  7. ProkletyiPirat
    ProkletyiPirat 14 December 2017 09: 40 New
    +2
    The rate of fire of the system increased multiple. Now you can quickly reload and give not one, but two volleys, without changing position. Such opportunities are especially in demand in areas where the enemy is actively engaged in counter-battery fighting,

    I wish the "expert" Murakhovsky kill apsten.
  8. Alexander War
    Alexander War 14 December 2017 09: 41 New
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    "Hurricane-M1"
    1. san4es
      san4es 14 December 2017 10: 34 New
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      Quote: Alexander War
      "Hurricane-M1"

      hi ... Hi San ... May I add? wink

      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 14 December 2017 10: 36 New
        +2
        Hi namesake hi
  9. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 16 December 2017 18: 05 New
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    Given the threat of war, these measures are justified, is another question the strengthening of the firepower of the RF Armed Forces happening in all directions or only in the West?