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The National Interest: the dispute over the Kuril Islands will be decided quietly

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Moscow and Tokyo keep secret the negotiations over the Kuril Islands, which in Japan they prefer to call the “northern territories”. Secrecy is observed because of the “nationalists”, who may not like the Russian-Japanese compromise.



28 June 2017 Sakhalin Oblast Governor Oleg Kozhemyako and Japanese Prime Minister Eiichi Hasegawa's Special Advisor on Kunashir Island. A delegation of Japanese officials and business representatives arrived in the southern part of the Kuril Islands in the framework of the implementation of the agreement reached during the meeting between Vladimir Putin and Shinzo Abe in Moscow on April 27


The publication “National Interest” writes that negotiations on the Kuril Islands are kept secret. Russia and Japan are approaching a solution to the old territorial dispute, but they are negotiating the Kuril Islands "in secret" in order to avoid the anger of "ardent nationalists" who reject any compromises on this issue.

Russia and Japan are moving towards better relations, leads material “National Interest” site "InoTV". Moscow and Tokyo have been discussing the development of naval cooperation in recent days. Over time, the two states can resolve the dispute over the Kuril Islands.

Following the meeting with Admiral Katsutoshi Kavano, Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, said: "We are ready to build up ties between the military departments on the basis of the agreements reached by the leaders during the last year’s summit meetings."

Of course, cooperation between Moscow and Tokyo is not limited to military issues. According to the publication, the Kremlin may try to finally solve the Kuril dispute.

“We had a strategic dialogue with Japan before the Ukrainian crisis (the ministers of foreign affairs and defense), but now it has resumed,” Vasily Kashin, Art. Researcher at the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies at the Higher School of Economics.

According to the expert, the parties are now trying to strengthen economic ties and sincerely hope that the territorial issue will be resolved.

A possible outcome of the negotiations, notes “The National Interest”, may be the return of the Kuriles to Japan. In exchange, the Land of the Rising Sun will go towards expanding economic and technological cooperation with Russia. Also, the Japanese would agree that the islands will not appear American troops.

However, as Kashin believes, this condition of Moscow will become a stumbling block for Tokyo, because the Japanese are afraid that the recognition of such a deal will undermine their relations with the United States.

There is another big problem: the nationalists.

The fate of the islands worried about "ardent nationalists" from both countries. These people oppose any compromise. And this is why the authorities of Japan and Russia are negotiating "in secret." According to Kashin, they want to avoid the interference of "nationalist elements."

If you believe this expert, as well as the American edition, you can conclude that the question of the ownership of the Kuril Islands is already being discussed somewhere, or even finally discussed, and there’s a point. And only the “nationalists” prevent us from voicing this decision, which opens a great road to the “economic and technological cooperation” of Japan and Russia.

Or maybe election-2018 interfere? Oh, here we give the island - and live technologically!

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Altona
    Altona 14 December 2017 07: 51 New
    29
    В deception The country of the rising sun will go on expanding economic and technological cooperation with Russia. Also, the Japanese agree that American troops will not appear on the islands.
    --------------------------
    It is precisely in “deception” and not in “exchange”. Nobody fulfills all these promises regarding Russia, not even the super-duper “peaceful international” IOC. There is nothing to believe narrow-eyed.
    1. dik-nsk
      dik-nsk 14 December 2017 07: 56 New
      30
      it’s like a throw-in - excite local cheers on the eve of the election
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 14 December 2017 08: 08 New
        26
        Quote: dik-nsk
        it’s like a throw-in - excite local cheers on the eve of the election

        And the numerous negotiations between Putin and Abe on the islands, as well as coverage of this issue by the Japanese press, are also stuffed? We heard a wise saying: There is no smoke without fire.
        But will it not turn out that the decision on the islands, the Russians know the last in the world, thanks to our political strategists, as already a fait accompli?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 14 December 2017 08: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: dik-nsk
          it’s like a throw-in - excite local cheers on the eve of the election

          And the numerous negotiations between Putin and Abe on the islands, as well as coverage of this issue by the Japanese press, are also stuffed? We heard a wise saying: There is no smoke without fire.
          But will it not turn out that the decision on the islands, the Russians know the last in the world, thanks to our political strategists, as already a fait accompli?

          It will even work out ..
          1. Antianglosax
            Antianglosax 14 December 2017 08: 49 New
            13
            Quote: Svarog
            It will even work out ..

            If only after the March elections ... But in general, it’s not a hunt to believe such nonsense.
            There is another big problem: the nationalists.
            Well, yes, there are - about 100 million Russians can be attributed to them, if we are talking about the Kuril Islands.
            1. PalBor
              PalBor 14 December 2017 09: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Antianglosaks
              Quote: Svarog
              It will even work out ..

              If only after the March elections ... But in general, it’s not a hunt to believe such nonsense.
              There is another big problem: the nationalists.
              Well, yes, there are - about 100 million Russians can be attributed to them, if we are talking about the Kuril Islands.

              Yes, no ... The GDP, of course, has many shortcomings, but not to the same extent. Until then ... I hope ... damn it, God forbid. request
              1. hrych
                hrych 14 December 2017 11: 41 New
                +6
                Quote: PalBor
                damn god forbid

                Well, pick up the Crimea, having received the Cold War and give yours for what you can take from Korea and China, you see, it’s not very logical. Now Japan does not have what others do not. laughing And do not forget that Japan joined the sanctions, i.e. flew away in the negotiations, if they were laughing At the expense of secret negotiations, the experthot certainly got to the point, i.e. they are not there, no one is leading them, so they are secret wassat Here the Russian Federation really places Balls and Bastions on the islands, wants to meet dear guests apparently with a salute wassat
                1. PalBor
                  PalBor 14 December 2017 11: 43 New
                  +2
                  That's right, you're right smile
        2. 210ox
          210ox 14 December 2017 08: 38 New
          +7
          With my negative attitude to some decisions of the guarantor, I think that he is not a suicide and will not do it. "Kemsk parish"? Then the king is not real. And they will take him out of the office .. Although if they put pressure on money bags completely, they will surrender the whole country.
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: dik-nsk
          it’s like a throw-in - excite local cheers on the eve of the election

          And the numerous negotiations between Putin and Abe on the islands, as well as coverage of this issue by the Japanese press, are also stuffed? We heard a wise saying: There is no smoke without fire.
          But will it not turn out that the decision on the islands, the Russians know the last in the world, thanks to our political strategists, as already a fait accompli?
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 14 December 2017 08: 54 New
            19
            Dim, about what will be taken out of the office:
            They created the Guard for this purpose - to ensure the security of the current ruling elites! They’ll disperse in a harder way than in the PRC or DPRK !!!
            1. 210ox
              210ox 14 December 2017 08: 58 New
              +3
              Sasha, I agree. They are paid money and not bad from the budget .. But if the question is tied to a lot of money .. I mean the possible financial losses of Putin’s entourage, then ... In big business, they often go to the bodies of former colleagues ..
              Quote: Anarchist
              Dim, about what will be taken out of the office:
              They created the Guard for this purpose - to ensure the security of the current ruling elites! They’ll disperse in a harder way than in the PRC or DPRK !!!
              1. Anarchist
                Anarchist 14 December 2017 09: 02 New
                +9
                In any case, we will hope for the best, but expect another “conspiracy”!
            2. yakyu20
              yakyu20 14 December 2017 23: 17 New
              0
              but if the Russian Guard is against the government (I hope it won’t be like that) and all the military, then the government will not last very long, because in 99, and even earlier, Putin’s coming to power crushed the KGB ...
          2. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 14 December 2017 09: 01 New
            +5
            When recently they gave Lake Sladkoe (or Salt?) To Kazakhstan, too, the noise rose, but not a week had passed since he had died and no one remembers.
            1. Antonovsky
              Antonovsky 14 December 2017 10: 32 New
              +3
              like the rest they forgot - Medvedev's gift to the Scandinavians. Putin's gifts to China near Chita. who remembers how much and what they gave
          3. Loess
            Loess 14 December 2017 09: 01 New
            +3
            The title of the article is loud, such that you won’t pass by, but the article contains only speculation. Not even speculation, but something from the realm of fantasy.
          4. Piramidon
            Piramidon 14 December 2017 10: 30 New
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            With my negative attitude to some decisions of the guarantor, I think that he is not a suicide and will not do it. "Kemsk parish"? Then the king is not real. And they will take him out of the office .. Although if they put pressure on money bags completely, they will surrender the whole country.

            And why is the "compromise" all associated only with the transfer of the islands to the samurai? Maybe they’ll just be allowed to dig fishing worms or graze cows there. winked
          5. Asthma
            Asthma 14 December 2017 11: 04 New
            0
            yes, no, it's fantastic.
            the people will not understand and will not accept. no need to escalate.
        3. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 09: 34 New
          +7
          Quote: Stas157
          But will it not turn out that the decision on the islands, the Russians know the last in the world, thanks to our political strategists, as already a fait accompli?

          Well, the presidential election in March 2018, and Putin already invited Abe to a meeting in May 2018. That is, at the beginning of the election, and then with the islands it will be possible to decide - everything is according to plan
        4. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 14 December 2017 10: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          But will it not turn out that the decision on the islands, the Russians know the last in the world, thanks to our political strategists, as already a fait accompli?


          Everything seems to be coming to this.
        5. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 14 December 2017 18: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          Smoke without fire does not happen.

          When this saying was invented, there were no smoke bombs! wink
          But in fact - everything can be. hi
      2. starogil
        starogil 14 December 2017 09: 05 New
        11
        Judging by the latest actions of the Guarantor - everything is possible.
        Everything is possible, as without discussing the opinions of citizens erected monuments, Stolypin,
        Alexander III, centers EBNu, boards Mannerheim, Solzhenitsyn, Gaidar, the likeness of the "walls",
        support of hoteliers of athletes and their hobblers to participate in the Olympics,
        ambiguously, however, the Guarantor is revealed - a sportsman, is it really a werewolf ....?
        1. katana
          katana 14 December 2017 09: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: starogil
          Judging by the latest actions of the Guarantor - everything is possible.
          Everything is possible, as without discussing the opinions of citizens erected monuments, Stolypin,
          Alexander III, centers EBNu, boards Mannerheim, Solzhenitsyn, Gaidar, the likeness of the "walls",
          support of hoteliers of athletes and their hobblers to participate in the Olympics,
          ambiguously, however, the Guarantor is revealed - a sportsman, is it really a werewolf ....?

          Are there really “citizens” in modern Russia in the true sense of the word? What do these “citizens" in Russia influence?
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 14 December 2017 09: 32 New
        +1
        If I am a patriot, then who are you, my friend?
        1. dik-nsk
          dik-nsk 14 December 2017 09: 34 New
          +3
          Patriot and hooray-patriot are essentially different, to school - for educational program))) my friend))
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 14 December 2017 10: 59 New
        +1
        yes it seems
        apparently I (antivirus) became a nationalist -
        - The fate of the islands worries “ardent nationalists” from both countries.
      5. Don
        Don 14 December 2017 18: 21 New
        0
        For these, don’t worry, they’re in the eyes, all of God's dew, they’re ready to kiss the supreme. But left-wing patriotic forces and nationalists may well organize mass protests. Only now the liberals will take advantage of them, or, as we say, the fifth column.
    2. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 14 December 2017 07: 57 New
      +4
      Or maybe election-2018 interfere? Oh, here we give the island - and live technologically!
      Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin

      The main message of Dude. Putin’s election for the next term hinders him.
      So the Kuril Islands pulls by the ears because of their discontent.
      You can give your personal to anyone.

      The Kuril Islands are Russian. Crimea is Russian.
      1. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 14 December 2017 08: 16 New
        +6
        Time will tell who is right.
        Kuril Russian

        This is what you think. It is good if the opinion of those in power coincides with yours.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 14 December 2017 08: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: aleks_29296
          Time will tell who is right.
          Kuril Russian

          This is what you think. It is good if the opinion of those in power coincides with yours.

          Does not match! If HSE winds there, then we will simply be confronted with a fact. And ardent nationalists are being pulled for force.
          Everything has already been decided and the ships with military and construction junk at the same depart from the shores of the SGA
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 14 December 2017 08: 25 New
        +7
        Quote: Vladimir16

        The main message of Dude. Putin’s election for the next term hinders him.
        So the Kuril Islands pulls by the ears

        And if not?
        Do not push everything to the polls. Rather, it will be a pull by the ears than what Dude writes.
      3. pvv113
        pvv113 14 December 2017 09: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir16
        The Kuril Islands are Russian. Crimea is Russian.

        I see mountains and valleys
        I see rivers and fields.
        This is a Russian charm
        This is my homeland.

        I see Prague and Warsaw
        Budapest and Bucharest.
        This is a Russian power,
        How many favorite places are here!

        I see the pagodas in Sri Lanka
        Both Korea and China ...
        Wherever I go in a tank
        Everywhere is my favorite land!

        I see the Amazon River
        I see crocodiles ...
        This is the Russian side,
        This is my homeland!

        Near the pyramids
        The Nile flows - rich in water,
        Washes the Russian coast!
        My Russia, I am proud of you!

        I see Washington in the valley
        Dallas see and texas
        How nice here in Russia
        Drink delicious Russian kvass!

        The sun rises over Sydney.
        The platypus sniffs in the pond.
        The speaker starts the hymn.
        I’ll enter the day with the Russian anthem!

        Here are the Indians smoking a pipe
        And hold out to me
        Everyone in the world loves Russians,
        In my native land
        https://www.inpearls.ru/
        1. Don
          Don 14 December 2017 18: 33 New
          0
          It seems to me that the person who wrote this verse is absolutely inadequate, either due to age or medical fool
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 December 2017 08: 00 New
      24
      You can expect any meanness from our authorities, but there have already been examples with the distribution of territories.
      Chaynam Island, a piece of sea to the Norms and part of Dagestan to Azerbaijan.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 14 December 2017 08: 31 New
        12
        Quote: Stroporez
        and examples with distributions of territories have already been.
        Chaynam Island, a piece of sea to the Norms and part of Dagestan to Azerbaijan.

        Despite the fact that there were no fools who would give us the territory! Strange, huh?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 14 December 2017 08: 37 New
          +8
          Quote: Stas157
          Despite the fact that there were no fools who would give us the territory! Strange, huh?

          I don’t see anything strange in this. I know absolutely for sure that the Utilization of Russia project (take a walk, recommend it if you are interested) is entering the final phase.
          Who will need territories without a population?
      2. Loess
        Loess 14 December 2017 09: 12 New
        +2
        Don’t forget about this either: Russia actually received an area of ​​1 million km² around the Lomonosov Ridge in the Arctic in its full possession. This was the main strategic goal of Russia. Norway has lost reason to prevent Russia from developing the Lomonosov Ridge, an agreement has been signed on the incorporation of the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol into the Russian Federation. The United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf has approved the application of Russia to include in its continental shelf an enclave with an area of ​​52 thousand km² located in the middle parts of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. September 2013 - discovery of the island of Yaya by the crew of the research vessel Admiral Vladimirsky. The territory of Russia has increased. The area of ​​the island of Yaya is estimated at 500 m², the area of ​​the islands from the Novaya Zemlya archipelago - up to 20 km².
        2) The area of ​​territorial waters of Russia has increased, moving deeper into the Arctic. Yaya Island provides an increase in PTV by 1170,6 km², and new islands from the Novaya Zemlya archipelago - by no less than 370 km² (as of the 2015 year). https://ruxpert.ru/Changes_of_modern_R borders
        ossii
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 14 December 2017 09: 36 New
          +8
          If so, dear. A strong country would receive all this legally and without concessions.
          And with the Kuril Islands, any concession is the surrender of the Far East and the country as a whole.
          1. Loess
            Loess 14 December 2017 09: 42 New
            +1
            Is there any concession? There are speculations of journalists, foreign journalists, I dare say. Found someone to believe ...
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 09: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: Less
          Don’t forget about this either: Russia actually received an area of ​​1 million km² around the Lomonosov Ridge in the Arctic in its full possession. This was the main strategic goal of Russia. Norway lost grounds to prevent Russia from developing the ridge

          did you look at the map ?! what relation does Norway have to the Lomonosov ridge - so rather with Denmark, through Greenland it is necessary to decide
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 14 December 2017 10: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            did you look at the map ?! what does Norway have to do with the Lomonosov ridge

            Does he need it? He doesn’t live there collectively laughing He needs to re-paste the wiki and troll the zaputin, but there even the grass does not grow.
            1. Loess
              Loess 14 December 2017 13: 19 New
              +1
              Well, let's say that I recapipastil (they just came up with a word to break the language) I did not hide, I even gave the link where I got it from. As for the map ... I have no problems with geography, but who is to blame for the fact that someone missed the main idea
              Russia actually received an area of ​​1 million km² around the Lomonosov Ridge in the Arctic in its full possession.
              but decided to cling to Norway. As far as I understand it, clinging to words is trolling) And I really do not plan to live there yet) Our country is not small, there is enough space.
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 14 December 2017 13: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Less
          The area of ​​territorial waters of Russia, which advanced deep into the Arctic, increased.

          And, to the heap, four years ago - the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, about 50 thousand square kilometers, was recognized as part of the continental shelf. (Article on VO dated 20.12.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX, Volodin). It was also forgotten ... Yes, time is running out.
      3. katana
        katana 14 December 2017 10: 06 New
        +8
        Quote: Stroporez
        You can expect any meanness from our authorities, but there have already been examples with the distribution of territories.
        Chaynam Island, a piece of sea to the Norms and part of Dagestan to Azerbaijan.

        It is not customary on this site to discuss the transfer of Russian lands to Azerbaijan, a taboo has been put on this topic. But from morning till night they discuss the topic of last year’s April war in Karabakh and the loss of several heights by Armenia there. as if it doesn’t exist. In exchange, you can throw a lot of different topics that distract attention.
    4. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 14 December 2017 10: 31 New
      0
      The National Interest: the dispute over the Kuril Islands will be decided quietly
      And here is what they wrote in 2016:
      "April 27, 2016
      National Interest: Kuril Islands for Russia - More Important than Politics and National Pride

      The Russian-Japanese conflict (-POSITS: - already a "conflict" - but harness) because of the Kuril Islands has a rather serious strategic basis for Moscow, the National Interest points out. First, the Kuril ridge guarantees the Pacific Fleet access to the ocean. And secondly, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk now serves as a "bastion" for Russian submarines - and if the Kuril Islands pass to Japan, then US submarines will penetrate into this reservoir, the authors of the article explain.

      Original news InoTV:
      https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2016-04-27/National-
      Interest-Kurili-dlya-Rossii "
      Mantras Japanese-American .. to create an informational background on the issue of the Kuril Islands
      In response to these mantras, Russia is building a naval facility on one of the islands of the Kuril ridge.
      Currently, the 18th machine gun and artillery division (the only such unit in the Russian army) with reinforcements on Iturup and Kunashir is deployed in the Kuril Islands. Recently, the Bal and Bastion coastal missile systems, as well as the Buk anti-aircraft systems, were deployed on the islands. The Bastion complex was located on Iturup Island, and the Ball on Kunashir.
      Today, Russia's loss of these territories would once again cause irreparable, strategically significant damage to it economically and militarily .. The role of the Kuril ridge is increasing significantly at the present time with the reorientation of US strategic interests to the Pacific
      As for the Japanese, they lost the Second World War ... and let their Japanese mom blame ...
      "" Alien land we do not want an inch
      But we won’t give up our tip .. "

      (The March of Tractor Drivers, written by the composers brothers Daniil and Dmitry Pokrassy to the poems of the poet Boris Savelyevich Laskin (1914-1983) for the movie Tractor Drivers (1938, directed by Ivan Pyryev). (These lines are a poetic arrangement of the words I V. Stalin, who in the Political Report of the Central Committee to the 27th Congress of the CPSU (B.) Said (June 1930, XNUMX): "We don’t want a single inch of someone else’s land. But we won’t give away our land, not a single inch (...) ".)
  2. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 14 December 2017 07: 52 New
    +9
    Do not confuse violet with iron. Nationalists in Kiev .. we in Russia are PATRIOTS! soldier
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 December 2017 07: 58 New
      19
      I am not a nationalist, but I am AGAINST the transmission of the Kuril Islands to Japan. This is a betrayal!
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 14 December 2017 08: 38 New
        +7
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I am not a nationalist, but I am AGAINST the transmission of the Kuril Islands to Japan. This is a betrayal!

        So these are the Japanese, all those who opposed the program smoked Japan, they wrote to the nationalists! But Putin, for sure-in the patriots.
        . Shinzo Abe has been traveling to Russia for several years as a job, using any excuse to talk with Putin. The Japanese prime minister set himself the task of resolving the seemingly insoluble issue of the peace treaty and the more insoluble Kuril Islands.

        The result of these negotiations is still a mystery. But, the fact is that such negotiations exist.
  3. Grandfather
    Grandfather 14 December 2017 07: 53 New
    +2
    Or maybe the 2018 election is in the way? Oh, let’s give the islands back - and we’ll live technologically
    I don’t think they will give it back, why shoot yourself in the foot? rather, there will be some kind of option for a joint "free economic zone."
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 December 2017 09: 36 New
      0
      Not to ourselves, but to us ...
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 14 December 2017 09: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Dead Day
      Or maybe the 2018 election is in the way? Oh, let’s give the islands back - and we’ll live technologically
      I don’t think they will give it back, why shoot yourself in the foot? rather, there will be some kind of option for a joint "free economic zone."


      There will be no interim solution. and for them and for us there is only an alternative - Russian or Japanese islands. No other is given. But how will they decide? If they give it back, NATO on the islands and the loss of trades. The Japanese explore the ocean with barbaric methods. If they don’t give it back - and x with them. Go wild. Why should Putin flirt with the Japanese, who are completely independent of politics?
    3. Giants
      Giants 14 December 2017 18: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Dead Day
      I don’t think they will give it back, why shoot yourself in the foot?

      I am sure that Putin has already given away the islands. The time will come and the serfs will be declared lordly will. What for? Why Putin with his decisions (autocrat, am ) consciously pushing the population to a social explosion?
  4. Loess
    Loess 14 December 2017 07: 55 New
    +3
    A possible outcome of the negotiations, The National Interest notes, could be the return of the Kuril Islands to Japan. In deception, the Land of the Rising Sun will go on expanding economic and technological cooperation with Russia.
    Shish to them, not the Kuril Islands.
  5. Said
    Said 14 December 2017 07: 56 New
    +2
    If it's true - trouble '
  6. gig334
    gig334 14 December 2017 07: 57 New
    +5
    The article is most likely a duck, but the fact that the fifth column stirred before the election is evident, especially in such articles.
    1. SOF
      SOF 14 December 2017 08: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: gig334
      The article is most likely a duck, but the fact that the fifth column stirred before the election is evident, especially in such articles.

      ... this article is a fan, which, as a rule, it is customary to throw excrement on.
      ... especially before the election - it’s enough to read the opuses of some “speakers”.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 14 December 2017 09: 39 New
      +3
      Do not stand on your head for a long time. The nationalist and the fifth column, what is common in this, my friend? I am against the transfer of the Kuril Islands, at least one pebble. And I am against the liberals of all stripes, overt and covert.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 December 2017 07: 59 New
    +5
    Absolute nonsense. Such a strategic object is the only non-FREEZING straits for the exit of our TF into the Pacific Ocean from Vladik. And will we give them striped ears?
    "But Popo doesn’t?"
  8. Altona
    Altona 14 December 2017 08: 00 New
    +7
    Quote: Vladimir16
    The main message of Dude. Putin’s election for the next term hinders him.

    -------------------------------
    Who is stopping Putin? With its powerful media and administrative resources. Is it really not the dogs and boobs, but all sorts of commentators on VO, on Twitter, on other resources?
  9. Article 2 of the article
    Article 2 of the article 14 December 2017 08: 02 New
    +2
    At least the governor would be stroked, shamera
  10. Altona
    Altona 14 December 2017 08: 03 New
    +7
    Quote: Stroporez
    You can expect any meanness from our authorities, but there have already been examples with the distribution of territories.
    Chaynam Island, a piece of sea to the Norms and part of Dagestan to Azerbaijan.

    ------------------------------------
    Yes, there are many precedents. Type is a "unresolved territorial issue of 1956", which must be "closed" to "strengthen cooperation." We give the next "Kemsku volost" and no gain is received.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 December 2017 08: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      We give the next "Kemsku volost" and no gain is received.

      I will not be surprised that these citizens can finally begin to give out lands for a personal gesheft.
      1. Giants
        Giants 14 December 2017 18: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        I will not be surprised that these citizens can finally begin to give out lands for a personal gesheft.

        Edresny and Zaputinians have some kind of pathological thirst to sell everything: gas, oil, forest, Baikal water. All for sale! In exchange for cut paper, those with whom, allegedly, are in opposition. And the line will reach the land. Well, what should China offer a trillion for the Far East? Well, do the authorities of the Kremlin refuse?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 14 December 2017 21: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Giants
          Edresny and Zaputinians have some kind of pathological thirst to sell everything: gas, oil, forest, Baikal water. All for sale!

          Dear Colleague! hi You are absolutely right, the “Dulles plan” has not gone anywhere, but only transformed into a plan for the “utilization of Russia”.
          Read at your leisure "Let the marginalized intellectuals protect Baikal."
          The environment of the Russian Federation with enemies and NATO forces with brigades of quick deployment for stopping threats from nuclear weapons, and the emergence of the internal police in the face of the "National Guard" to keep up unrest, also fits into this concept.
          With a confidence of 90%, we can say that the next 6-year term will be the last for the Russian Federation, if no events happen before this .... The people are silent, so they are doomed ....
          1. Giants
            Giants 14 December 2017 21: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Stroporez
            The people are silent, so they are doomed ....

            Only my opinion, which I do not impose on anyone. Only a military coup can save our ethnic group and our country. Either a military dictatorship, or a variant of L.Ya. Rokhlin. Otherwise, we all, and Zaputinians and those who hate him, will wash ourselves with bloody tears. The West will not take prisoners in the last war, it will not repeat the mistake of the 91st.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 14 December 2017 22: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Giants
              Either a military dictatorship, or a variant of L.Ya. Rokhlin. Otherwise, we all, and Zaputinians and those who hate him, will wash ourselves with bloody tears. The West will not take prisoners in the last war, it will not repeat the mistake of the 91st.

              The PDS of the NDPR has already formed a government of public confidence in this case, and has nominated worthy candidates. It is better, of course, that the Sov. People’s Commissar is a collective management body, and the very word "president" is absolutely unacceptable to Russia.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 14 December 2017 08: 22 New
      +9
      Quote: Altona
      Yes, there are many precedents. Type is a "unresolved territorial issue of 1956", which must be "closed" to "strengthen cooperation." We give the next "Kemsku volost" and no gain is received.

      Yes, but in the press and on TV everywhere will shout "Breakthrough" Hurray!
    3. Loess
      Loess 14 December 2017 09: 15 New
      +2
      Nobody gives anything to anyone. These are just the speculations of the alkalis. On the fence, too ... it is written, and there are firewood.
  11. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 14 December 2017 08: 06 New
    +5
    I got the impression that the article was written for a Russian audience ahead of the election. And this article should lead readers to the idea that part of the Motherland in the form of the Kuril Islands has been quietly sold, but the authorities will not tell us about this. And to blame for everything ...
  12. ghby
    ghby 14 December 2017 08: 09 New
    +3
    The publication “National Interest” writes that negotiations on the Kuril Islands are kept secret. Russia and Japan are approaching a solution to the old territorial dispute, but they are negotiating the Kuril Islands "in secret" in order to avoid the anger of "ardent nationalists" who reject any compromises on this issue.
    With a greater probability of a bridge, they secretly discuss energy. Japan has never had access to land directly; a bridge is the only solution. The United States will actively interfere with this project in every possible way, because the bridge will not only physically connect Japan with the mainland. but Japan and Russia politically. For those two islands that Russia spoke of where it is possible to consider Japan’s participation in their development are not strategically interesting, and those about which one Japan speaks are actively saturated with our defensive means.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 December 2017 09: 41 New
      +1
      For those two islands that Russia spoke of where it is possible to consider Japan’s participation in their development are not strategically interesting, and those about which one Japan speaks are actively saturated with our defensive means.


      Are you joking about not being militarily interesting?
      1. ghby
        ghby 14 December 2017 10: 18 New
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        Are you joking about not being militarily interesting?

        No, I’m not joking. Kunashir and Iturup close the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and are actively being developed by our armed forces. They are important in a strategic plan. In the strategic plan, Shikotan and Khabomai do not decide anything to close the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, as they stand aside, and it was these islands that were named in the 56-year declaration.
  13. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 December 2017 08: 10 New
    0
    This is a bad joke, if it's a New Year’s joke!
  14. Eurodav
    Eurodav 14 December 2017 08: 18 New
    +6
    "... Russia and Japan are approaching a solution to the old territorial dispute ..." - what is the dispute? There is no dispute on our part, everything is fixed after the war! And no one is going to change anything, I'm sure ...
    "In exchange, the Land of the Rising Sun will go on expanding economic and technological cooperation with Russia ..."
    - and what kind of turbidity? Is this vital to us? Another nonsense!
    "Also, the Japanese will agree that American troops will not appear on the islands ..." - and who will ask them, mattresses? The occupied country can still blather?
    The article is not for us and not about us!
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 14 December 2017 08: 29 New
      +9
      Everything is correct. But the bourgeois newspaper is not our Komsomol member, and we must proceed from this.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 14 December 2017 09: 00 New
      +4
      Why, then, Abe and Putin go to negotiations with each other? Is it easy to have lunch?
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 14 December 2017 10: 39 New
        +6
        If you talk like that, then Putin promised Erdogan to give Crimea, and faster than the islands.
  15. Same lech
    Same lech 14 December 2017 08: 21 New
    +1
    If you believe this expert, as well as the American publication, we can conclude that the issue of the Kuril Islands is already being discussed somewhere


    More than one throw-in will be made before the elections ... this is no longer evident with an armed look ... the goal is to tell people to protest against the current authorities in a radical way ... depriving them of the possibility to think logically succumbing to emotions ..
  16. Breard
    Breard 14 December 2017 08: 26 New
    +6
    Yes! We merge our territories, as we say to China.
    Nothing new.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 December 2017 08: 29 New
    +6
    The negotiations are secret, but the National Interest is well aware of them. This already seems strange. In my opinion, the article is purely provocative.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 14 December 2017 08: 50 New
      +6
      Gene, hello! hi NI's idle speculation is already a byword. The article is aimed at Western consumers, liberalists and fragile minds who believe in the Western media. GDP clearly said about the Kuril Islands, but some continue to exaggerate this topic. The election is close ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 14 December 2017 09: 01 New
        +2
        Hi Maxim! hi You're right. All the "painful" topics for Russia are gaining a second wind on the eve of the election.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 14 December 2017 09: 03 New
          +4
          And the closer the elections, the more there will be all kinds of dirt and provocations.
      2. Giants
        Giants 14 December 2017 18: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Jedi
        GDP clearly said about the Kuril Islands

        I can not agree with you. Here, too, it was said more than clearly, but nonetheless ...
  18. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 14 December 2017 08: 36 New
    +2
    The dog barks - the wind wears. Nobody will give anything back.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 14 December 2017 09: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: Lena Petrova
      The dog barks - the wind wears. Nobody will give anything back.

      And what, has this never happened?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 14 December 2017 09: 44 New
      +1
      Wait and see. But the experience of years lived in the country of victorious thieves suggests the opposite.
  19. askort154
    askort154 14 December 2017 08: 39 New
    +7
    "... Vasily Kashin Senior Researcher, Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies at the Higher School of Economics "

    The Higher School of Economics of the Russian Federation has been a hotbed of liberals since the 90s.
    If they participate in the negotiations, the result is predictable - they will merge the islands, explaining them with economic benefits, with dough in their pockets and another portion of noodles on our ears. yes
  20. HMR333
    HMR333 14 December 2017 08: 41 New
    +1
    another western nonsense of a sick brain there is no negotiation!)))
  21. cobalt
    cobalt 14 December 2017 08: 50 New
    +1
    It is not so simple, according to the Soviet-Japanese declaration of 1956, signed and ratified by both parties, after the peace treaty was drawn up, the island of Shikotan and the Habomai Islands should be transferred to Japan. Other territorial issues were withdrawn by the parties. The Japanese then refused to sign the peace treaty under pressure from the United States, then we refused, so formally we still do not have a peace treaty with Japan after the Second World War. Apparently the question of his conclusion is periodically raised, but immediately the question arises of observing the conditions of the declaration.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 14 December 2017 14: 48 New
      0
      so formally we still do not have a peace treaty with Japan after the Second World War.

      we do not have a peace treaty with Germany either. This does not bother us at all.
  22. Cananecat
    Cananecat 14 December 2017 08: 52 New
    +1
    If my memory serves me right, the negotiations are about long-term lease of several small islands of the Kuril ridge. No one makes a secret out of this, except for NI, perhaps ... but how they present this fact is another question.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 14 December 2017 09: 23 New
      +2
      Nobody talks about any rental, it’s only about the participation of Japanese business in projects in the Kuril Islands and that’s all !!! To do this, they made a facilitated visa regime, and bilateral ...
  23. aries2200
    aries2200 14 December 2017 09: 09 New
    0
    taiga bear will not give up-Putin's words ... then Volodya is lying !?
  24. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 09: 16 New
    +4
    laughing 3 times ha! The fact that our government is able to secretly give territory is no doubt. But here’s what then there will be no amers, I do not believe !!!
  25. Million
    Million 14 December 2017 09: 18 New
    +5
    The guarantor here, as it were softer to say, is not quite an honest person. Who does not care about the opinion of the Russians
  26. NordUral
    NordUral 14 December 2017 09: 19 New
    +3
    If the “ours” in Moscow agree to this, then they will get another deception and a closed exit to the Pacific Ocean. And on the given islands will be the starting position of the missiles of the Americans, there is nothing to doubt.
  27. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 14 December 2017 09: 21 New
    +2
    Neither Japan nor Japan will receive any islands, nor for money nor for promises of anything ... Russia does not sell territories !!!
    1. Million
      Million 14 December 2017 09: 27 New
      +5
      Russia doesn’t trade, and some "Russians" are even very
  28. Moskovit
    Moskovit 14 December 2017 09: 28 New
    +2
    It was previously reported that the Russian military deployed the Bal and Bastion coastal missile systems on the islands of the Kuril Ridge. In addition, a machine gun and artillery division was deployed in the area.

    In the near future, Russia will begin work on the construction of its own naval base on the Kuril Islands. This was announced by the first deputy chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security Franz Klintsevich, RIA Novosti reports. The base will be able to accept any ships, including the first rank, he added.

    “Everything is going according to plan, without rushing jerks, work will begin in the very near future,” he announced.

    How shoud I understand this? Give it back?)) Rather, the opposite
  29. timothy61
    timothy61 14 December 2017 09: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: dik-nsk
    it’s like a throw-in - excite local cheers on the eve of the election

    And the numerous negotiations between Putin and Abe on the islands, as well as coverage of this issue by the Japanese press, are also stuffed? We heard a wise saying: There is no smoke without fire.
    But will it not turn out that the decision on the islands, the Russians know the last in the world, thanks to our political strategists, as already a fait accompli?

    Another wanderer.
  30. zoolu350
    zoolu350 14 December 2017 09: 58 New
    +1
    Well, from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation of any baseness and betrayal can be expected at any time. So that the Kuril Islands, the oligarchy of the Russian Federation will calmly surrender to the grandmother (who are not there, but we are holding on) in exchange for some political guarantees that Japan will then forget. But edulubovs and neovlasovs in VO will still tell tales about the greatness of the KhPP, though it’s more difficult for them to do this, because the oligarchy of the Russian Federation makes their task more and more complicated (the story with the Olympic Games, diplomatic property, boy Klaus from Novy Urengoy).
  31. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 14 December 2017 10: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: dik-nsk
    it’s like a throw-in - excite local cheers on the eve of the election

    Maybe stuffing. Or maybe an experiment. In order to clarify the reaction of Russian citizens to barter with the Japs .. We give them the islands, they give us technology. I think the reaction will be negative. But at the same time, I’m sure that if the barter takes place, we won’t be able to do anything at all. Unfortunately. Although not a topic, but still ... Please note that Serebrennikov’s performance was attended by such people as Peskov, Medinsky. And they applauded considering the actor’s bare ass. But these people are next to the president. These people, although not directly, even indirectly, albeit to an insignificantly small degree (although, how to know), but still affect the vector of movement of Russia. All that remains for us is to rely on the president, to hope that he will not surrender Russia.
  32. Nemesis
    Nemesis 14 December 2017 10: 17 New
    0
    If Putin merges the Kuril Islands, he and his party in the Russian Federation have nothing to do, then let everyone leave for Japan, for permanent residence ...
  33. turcom
    turcom 14 December 2017 10: 20 New
    +2
    From a donkey their ears, not the Kuril Islands! Russia has already come across this kind of "promises" - it is still croaking
  34. Eurodav
    Eurodav 14 December 2017 10: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Million
    The guarantor here, as it were softer to say, is not quite an honest person. Who does not care about the opinion of the Russians

    Facts! Or you will, as it were softer to say, not a completely honest person. Who does not care at all ...
  35. Eurodav
    Eurodav 14 December 2017 10: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    laughing 3 times ha! The fact that our government is able to secretly give territory is no doubt. But here’s what then there will be no amers, I do not believe !!!

    If you are not in doubt, then your power has died out along with the EBN, and today’s power is still completely different!
  36. Altona
    Altona 14 December 2017 10: 31 New
    0
    Quote: dik-nsk
    it’s like a throw-in - excite local cheers on the eve of the election

    ------------------------------
    Recently, documents about the Russo-Japanese War of 1905 were revealed in Great Britain, according to which it turned out that this war was fought in the interests of Great Britain. Instead, the Japanese built a modern fleet and gave access to the latest military technology. The remaining states were warned against interference in the conflict on the side of Russia, as threatening an economic blockade and sanctions if an alliance with Russia was manifested. Painfully familiar song. Don't you find it? Both the words and the motive have not changed in the least for 115 years.
  37. Berkut24
    Berkut24 14 December 2017 10: 32 New
    +1
    Neither a peace treaty nor economic cooperation with Japan are fundamental to Russia. The truth is that Japan, like many other countries of the world, does not have sovereignty and cannot guarantee the fulfillment of its obligations. Russia is quite satisfied with the existing status quo, and economic cooperation is more important for Japan, because the islands have neither raw materials nor fuel. As for technology, we do not need to build illusions - the Japanese do not give away key technologies to anyone, not even their closest ally, in addition, the use of other people's technologies often makes it unprofitable to invest money in their technologies and to develop their scientific potential.
    Secrecy of negotiations is a necessity for the Japanese government. If they do not achieve anything, then in the worst case they will change another government, and so they change these governments once a year. In Russia, any political force or President who, in violation of the Constitution, will give at least something in the absence of international norms and obligations will simply sign a death sentence.
    Therefore, all this "secret" is needed not in relations between Putin and Russian patriots, but in relations between the Japanese government and Japanese nationalists. The Japanese see where the wind blows in Eurasia and understand that Russia in Asia has alternatives for cooperation. Therefore, trying to somehow cling to the process and stay in the game, and at the same time looking back at their sovereign, the Japanese are trying to do the impossible. And it’s not for them to dictate the terms.
  38. Altona
    Altona 14 December 2017 10: 38 New
    0
    Quote: katana
    It is not customary on this site to discuss the transfer of Russian lands to Azerbaijan, a taboo has been put on this topic. But from morning till night they discuss the topic of last year’s April war in Karabakh and the loss of several heights by Armenia there. as if it doesn’t exist. In exchange, you can throw a lot of different topics that distract attention.

    ---------------------------------
    In what context is this discussed? In terms of infringement of the interests of proud Armenia? No one says that it’s good. But the problem certainly exists, because all kinds of gifts to Azerbaijan - land, water, modern weapons, cause a painful reaction in Armenia, Russia's only ally in the region.
  39. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 December 2017 10: 46 New
    0
    I think ours still insists on a joint economic union on the islands, investment, technology, but within the jurisdiction of Russia.
  40. BAI
    BAI 14 December 2017 11: 12 New
    +1
    They can easily drain the islands. Although it may just be a throw-in to warm the situation, so that the people less to the government-Putin believed.
  41. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 14 December 2017 11: 28 New
    +2
    “Listen, comrade! Comrade, can I talk to you for a minute? I would like, so to speak, to understand in general terms what he needs.
    - Heh. Yes understand it, indescribable king, no wonder. Hehe hehe. They demand the Kemsky volost. We fought, they say, so bring it here.
    - What?! Kemsky volost?
    - Oh, me, me. Kemska volost. Oh me, me
    - Ha ha ha! Yes, let them take it to their health! I thought so! Lord
    “How is that, breadwinner?”
    “The king knows what he is doing!” The state will not become poor. Take it! "©
    These are the things behind me ...
  42. komynist
    komynist 14 December 2017 12: 48 New
    0
    I certainly hope this is nonsense, but ohhh doubts creep in !!! sad My grandfather fought for Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, and if that turns out to be true, then I will be among the first in the ranks of the protesters. First, the Kuril Islands will want the Japs then Sakhalin, we are here and since we are hostages on the island, you get up in the morning and live already in Japan. They started secret negotiations, and the opinion of the inhabitants is poh..y. We will wait and see. am
  43. Going
    Going 14 December 2017 14: 03 New
    +4
    Also, the Japanese agree that American troops will not appear on the islands.


    And who will believe the country that is occupied by the United States.
  44. vel pro
    vel pro 14 December 2017 15: 24 New
    0
    for these islands another 1000 ....... years will argue
  45. V
    V 14 December 2017 15: 39 New
    +1
    The Kuril ridge will never be Japanese, because due to the fact that this is the territory of Russia, they were able to make the Sea of ​​Okhotsk - the inland sea of ​​Russia. In addition to Crimea, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is another plus in the karma of current managers for increasing the territory of our vast Motherland.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 14 December 2017 21: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Vortex
      The Kuril ridge will never be Japanese,

      "Never say never"...
  46. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 14 December 2017 16: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    And what, has this never happened?

    In the strategic plan (and this is precisely the case) - no. GDP will rise by 6 years now - that’s how it will be. Japan is a friend ... not our friend, in a word. We do not need extra bases there.
  47. Satum
    Satum 14 December 2017 17: 03 New
    0
    Liberal article, before the election. What would people write from anger at the current government
  48. Dedall
    Dedall 14 December 2017 19: 06 New
    +2
    I remember that at one time we even had a referendum on preserving the USSR, but what happened? In short, I believe in the meaning of the article. For a couple of millions (well, or billions that doesn’t change things) in Moscow they will give what you want.
  49. omit
    omit 14 December 2017 19: 31 New
    0
    Yes you give these islands, you have them wassat
  50. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 14 December 2017 21: 31 New
    +2
    The decision to transfer the islands, apparently made ... Only this will be masked by the crack of propaganda on joint management "under the jurisdiction of Russia", etc. etc., and stretched out in time. In fact, this is the sale of land ... Whether it is right or wrong, it is difficult to judge unambiguously. On the one hand, it is immoral and cynical ... And on the other ... We are witnessing a rapid aging and population decline. The outflow of population from D. Vostok and Siberia to the European part of the country does not stop ... There is no money, we have already lost the race in scientific and technological development, as our elite representatives openly spoke about at the St. Petersburg Forum not so long ago. In general, everything has already been decided ... Two bears will not get along in one den - one will have to leave ...