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Social elevator: life surrounded by fools (part three)

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When I studied at the institute on the school teacher stories and English, since it was a Soviet university and Soviet time, nobody told us about Pareto's law, and I somehow did not think about the fact that most people on Earth are not sufficiently educated, educated, socialized, provided with leisure and means for appropriate education. Someone was the victim of a drunken conception (in France, such children are called "Sunday children", so many of them!), Someone was dropped their head, someone, on the contrary, smoked their mother, and someone was born near a chemical plant or village on the banks of the river Techa. All this ultimately led (and leads!) To the fact that people, speaking everyday, just these very ... and there is. Although often not in all and not completely, but only partially.



I wanted to put my children's photos in these articles: comrades with snot from the nose, in dirty t-shirts and shorts against fences and toilets, himself trimmed to zero in satin bloomers and in Vietnamese sneakers, his drawings of the old house and the interior of his large room. Found something. But a lot of things have been removed somewhere according to the principle “put it away, take a closer look”. So they put it in such a way that they themselves forgot where. But this photo was found. My grandfather is on his left just in 1972, my grandmother is next, younger than him on 17 years (he married her in 34 years!) And my adoptive father, Peter Shpakovsky, holder of 4's highest Polish orders and two of ours. The most interesting thing, however, are those “ruins” that are visible behind them - the house of my great-grandfather, built in 1882. And the stairs to the roof, on which my grandfather once “lashed out” with a rake, swinging at his sister, the ex-wife of the colonel of the tsarist army, with whom she was in the Crimea with Baron Wrangel. "Oh, the White Guard b ..." he shouted at her, during some kind of rugachka I witnessed, "I will kill you!" And she to him, jerking his robe on his chest: "Beat, flattering bastard!" something rake and enough. This is how families, in general, even educated people, went through revolution and civil war, and they didn’t forget their enmity even after years!

That is, someone at all, and some not. And this is the worst of all. Outwardly, they are not similar to the downs, and it can be found out that they are not smart enough only in the process of communication. Well, and if you are young and you were taught to respect people who are older than you? Not all young people can figure out in time that people get the right to respect not for their age, but what they have done over the years, and that the old fool is much worse than the young!

In this regard, to my great regret, in my life I was not very lucky with the environment, except perhaps with only my foster father. All that I have achieved was not due to someone, but in spite of. And often people, let's say, “not very”, turned out to be people quite close to me or just those who were considered very intelligent and respected in society.

My grandfather seemed to love me, but ... had a habit of smoking after dinner, and he smoked a self-garden, wrapped in a goat leg. And I used to sit across from him at the table and inhale this fragrant smoke. That is, from early childhood was engaged in passive smoking. Didn't he know that it was harmful? I did not know, most likely. So this is not stupidity, but ignorance? But what a fool, what an ignoramus, but the result is one for society, isn't it? As a result, I did not eat beets, and a lot of other things needed to eat, which was just what was needed for a children's growing organism. But - the child inhalation of tobacco smoke leads to intolerance to a number of products. This I later found out. True, there is no evil without good. In 70, my grandfather made a mistake so that the doctor said: “If you don’t quit, you will die in two years!” And my grandfather quit smoking and lived another 16 years later, never having touched tobacco after 50 years of smoking. So I clearly saw that a person with a strong will is capable of much. It was a great lesson for life.


One of the few photos proving that everything in life is predetermined. As a child, I literally raved about knights. He drew them, cut pictures with them from textbooks, and such books as Jack Straw and Ivanhoe knew almost by heart. I made myself a knightly suit and armor: a shield, an ax, a helmet. I forced my grandmother to tie a chain mail, sew a raincoat - white on top, but with a red underlay like that of Pontius Pilate. He adored the opera film “Iolanta” ... As if he knew that “knights are my destiny,” and I myself will write thick books about them!

My teacher (although in theory it is necessary to speak with aspiration - “my first teacher”!) Of primary classes was definitely a fool. “Children, the nuclear-powered ship“ Lenin ”was built of large oaks, and an iron bar in front of him cut the ice!” She said this in 1962, when I was studying in her first class and already read “Young Technician”. Well, I told her about her mistake with all. After that, I was told that ... "the tree is floating, and the iron is sinking." It is clear that the whole class (those we still had “little children”!) Supported her, not me. Then, in response, I told them about the Archimedes law, brought a tin can with nuts to the class and let it float in a puddle. I stopped being an excellent student at the end of the year ...

Went to a model airplane club. Some guy was leading him. Gave us all to make a glider model from the DOSAAF kit-package. He ordered ribs cut. And plywood ... overdried non-standard! Well, I ribs all and ruined. And I'm not alone. They left only two guys. And there are no new sets. Still free. So I went the rest of the time looking at these lucky ones and licked at how they assemble the glider, and then launch it. Now I understand that this guy was just an illiterate fool. Because if it were otherwise, he would have shown that plywood ribs can be replaced by ... paper from T-shaped drawing paper. But, alas, he did not know that.

In the ship modeling circle, a man gave me a hunter boat for 40 for years. Also DOSAAF product. The body is good. Superstructures of pine bars, layered and caustic. How to turn them into felling and towers with one knife and file, and remove all rough edges? Work for a Roman slave, not a fifth grade student. It is clear that nothing came of this hard labor. But if he hadn’t been a cretin, he would have explained to the children that all the same can be easily and easily made from Bristol cardboard and greeting cards on patterns. You could give them to us yourself and transfer it with a needle to this cardboard, because he was. But no! "Saw, Shura, they are golden!"

I went to the theater group. Liked! “Do you suffer the disasters of such a long life while the Birnam forest goes to Dunsinan, or arm yourself against the sea?” Oh dear Ophelia! Oh nymph! Close your jaws, heavy as marble, and go to the monastery! ”Great, huh ?! But they gave me the role of some pioneer thief that another pioneer had fostered his skates (and he had some kindreds, you see, so poor that they could not buy him skates!) And how his pioneer friends helped him to correct. Something in the style of "Vitya Maleev at school and at home", only much worse. It was a shame to play such a play to the horror. But ... well! So after all - go and rewrite the whole role yourself. And there 26 pages of text! That I am crazy, so much "in Russian" to write. Where is the copier? Under the castle of the KGB! Well, I did not write anything, I sent this theater to hell. Fig I would become so ditched!

Came to college. Temple of Science. And there one professor drunk in the fifth point climbed onto the department and ... come on, bend it. “You fool,” says one student, “you're patched!” Do you think they fired him? H-ee! Professor!

Several years ago, in our university, one part-time worker only slightly came to the students "under the bar". Those immediately to the dean - and fired him in half an hour! And then in the party committee, where I turned, I was told: “You can say anything about students, but not teachers!” A good, principled, one might say, communist position, isn't it?

Another professor ... I won’t call him either, most likely he was not from evil, who taught us the history of the CPSU, I immediately said whose son I was and that I want to join him in a scientific circle. And he answered me that he studied with my mother in the same group, and that they were friends. What is the result? He gave me a report on the topic: "The course of the personality of Mao Zedong and its consequences." In 1972 year! Freshman. Not knowing Chinese. It has access only to the newspaper Pravda, the magazines Kommunist and Political Agitator. One can imagine that in the end I was born for the “pale numb”, although ... he had at his disposal a regional archive, an archive of the Communist Party's Communist Party Committee, where he could easily make me an admission. And to give the topic of local lore, according to our Penza newspapers, about the same White-Czech rebellion - "The White-Czech insurrection and its reflection in the Penza press 1918 of the year." Is it a bad topic for a beginner? I couldn’t become a competitor to him simply because of my age, but I would be grateful to him all my life if everything went the way I wanted. And it went, but not because of him, but in spite of.

I began to write my first novel in the second grade, in a notebook in a ticker, with pen # XXUMX “Rondo” in black ink, carefully outputting “pressure, hair, pressure, hair,” because of which my writing externally resembled Pushkin's lines. I gave it to my mother, and she told me that I was not a writer! “A lot of mistakes are times, and secondly, you can only write about what you know well. And here you write that in 86, Mexican policemen wore big hats and white collars. Hats still here and there, and where did you get about the collars? Invented? And you can't do that! ”

And because she said all right, is not it? But ... it was necessary to add that information for future books should be collected, that for this people read, write out the information they need, that Jules Verne used up more than one notebook in this way. As for literacy ... this is how I happen, and now I make mistakes, but there are proofreaders in publishing houses, which they keep for fixing them.

I wrote my first book on children's technical creativity in 1982 on the scenarios of my TV shows on Penza TV, providing it with photos to confirm the authenticity. And she came out of print only in the 1987 year, and then in Belarus. In Moscow, in the “Enlightenment” editorial office, the reviewer made a comment to me: “We have to recommend the available materials to children (the book was called“ Of all that is at hand ”), but you have many homemade products from ice cream spatula sticks. But the Chukchi children do not have them! ”Well, in the answer I wrote that the reviewer was a fool! With all the ensuing consequences. But then, as soon as this book was printed and sold in 87 thousand copies. in just two weeks, they themselves invited me to publish them, and no Chukchi children interested them anymore. How can you call it? And here is how: “Care about the development of children's technical creativity in the country and the all-round development of the future builders of communism!”

In general, I was surrounded, if not by some “morons of life,” then through one, by God! Ignorant, primitive, filled with prejudice ... God, how much I suffered from them before I got the opportunity to send them according to their merits where they should go. I recently met one of my high school "teach" from a pedushnik, that is, "alma obscene", and I told her everything word for word, only with names. And what did she answer me? “It was such a time!” A time when such mediocrity had every opportunity for prosperity?

To be continued ...
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  1. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 18 December 2017 07: 24 New
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    Without giving a general assessment of the article, this is the opinion of the author and it has the right to exist, I want to note one point. It is dangerous not for every single person and society as a whole, not just, but in power. Whether he is the head of a circle in the House of Creativity or the press secretary of the president.
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 09: 16 New
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      Having read through the lines under the second photo, I correctly recognized the author.
      One of the few photos proving that everything in life is predetermined in advance. As a child, I literally raved about knights.
      It would be better if you continued to deal with the knightly theme, there is at least some sense from this.
      In general, an article about how the author was shocked three times in childhood by the very ladder along which his grandfather rake and from this the author developed a deep form of anti-Sovietism and Russophobia.
      In general, they surrounded me if not alone "fools of life "(strange, but the highlighted word is deleted when copying, but in the author’s performance you can write something different?)then through one, by golly! Ignorant, primitive, full of prejudices ... Lord, how much I suffered from them before I got the opportunity to send them deserving wherever they should. I recently met one of my university “teachers” from a pedyushnik, that is, “Alma obscene,” and he told her this word for word, only with his last names. And what did she answer me? “There was such a time!” A time when such mediocrity had every opportunity for prosperity?

      To be continued ...
      Please do not continue. We already realized how badly you lived in the "Mordor". Like a little "genius" Shpakovsky was surrounded by solid DBs. It is surprising how solid DBs gave you such an education ... request Oh yeah, how did you forget, you have
      All that I achieved was not thanks to anyone, but in spite of.
      , and from here you had the firm assumption that we won the Great Patriotic War not thanks to the Soviet government and personally to Comrade Stalin, but just in spite of this.
      Further comment on this nonsense, there is no desire.
      1. kalibr
        18 December 2017 10: 04 New
        +6
        Dear Varangian! And no one canceled the knight's theme, just sometimes you want to remember the past, but it is different for everyone. But why drag in something that is not in the material? It was the Soviet system that worked best in extreme, in this case, military circumstances. Just the war we won. We did not lose the war, but the world! So what about "strong assumptions" is not necessary. This is your fantasy.
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 10: 36 New
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          kalibr Today, 10:04 ↑
          Dear Varangian! And no one canceled the knight's theme, just sometimes you want to remember the past, but it is different for everyone.
          That’s just different, and accordingly it’s not necessary to spread your negativity to everyone.
          But why drag in something that is not in the material?
          What is not in the material? Everything is clearly painted, in the USSR you were surrounded by some DB fool , that’s the essence of your article. By the way, a bad article. The theme of the bloody gebnya and the criminal Soviet regime was not disclosed ... laughing wassat But I am sure in the next article you will correct this error.
          We did not lose the war, but the world!
          What are you really? And who lost it? Let me guess, probably Molotov for a couple with Stalin? Now, if they didn’t resist, but acted as “civilized” French, our truncated would be in openwork, wouldn’t it?
          This is your fantasy.
          No fantasies. Everything is clearly spelled out for you, but what is not spelled out is clearly read between the lines. Just do not shout that we misunderstood you. We all understood correctly, you are not the only ones with a higher Soviet education.
          1. kalibr
            18 December 2017 11: 02 New
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            "What are you, really? And who lost it? Let me guess, probably Molotov together with Stalin? If they didn’t resist, but acted as" civilized "French, we would have a trot in openwork, wouldn't we ? "

            You did not guess, but still boast of a Soviet education. Was there a war in 1991?
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 11: 18 New
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              kalibr Today, 11:02 ↑
              You did not guess, but still boast of a Soviet education. Was there a war in 1991?
              Actually, the war against the USSR did not stop from the moment it was formed. Another thing is that in 1991 the authorities were Gorbachev, Shevardnadze and Yeltsin, and not Stalin, Molotov and Beria!
              1. kalibr
                18 December 2017 12: 17 New
                +4
                War is war, huh? "It’s another matter that in 1991 Gorbachevs, Shevardnadze and Yeltsins were in power"
                Martians brought them or brought upstairs social elevator?
                1. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 12: 22 New
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                  kalibr Today, 12:17 ↑
                  Martians brought them or brought upstairs social elevator?
                  This is the trouble of the USSR. The trouble is that the “historians” of the CPSU, like you, have gained the right to your social elevator, and now you are messing up the brains of the fragile minds of the younger generation. You used to enthusiastically talk about the fundamental role of the CPSU in building communism, but now you are spitting on your past with the same enthusiasm. Changeling in one word, weather vane whose nose is always downwind. I have always despised such people and considered them potential traitors.
                  1. kalibr
                    18 December 2017 20: 57 New
                    +3
                    "This is the trouble of the USSR." - even though you understood it and it’s good!
                  2. kalibr
                    18 December 2017 21: 09 New
                    +1
                    “I always despised such people and considered them potential traitors.” Are you talking about me or the president of the Russian Federation, supported by the majority of the Russian population? You look ... stands for a market economy, calls Americans partners ... Maybe you need to call?
                  3. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 22: 28 New
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                    I specially place it higher so that more people see your FALSE!
                    kalibr Today, 20:35 ↑
                    Yes, that's right: The Cross of the White Eagle, The Cross of the Grunwald 2nd Degree, The Golden Cross of Merit, and The Cross of the Brave. and Soviet - Red Star and World War II. Moreover, the "Eagle" is hung on the neck, but he did not wear it on the neck. And so on May 9 everyone squinted.
                    HA HA HA ... So you and Mr. liar have come across. Carried away by your lies, you pierced on the elementary.
                    The cross of the White Eagle, your father could wear only in one case, if he fought on the side of the White Poles, which is not realistic in age, or on the side of the army of Ludov, who fought against the Red Army. By the way, I do not see the sign of the order of the "White Eagle" there, and it was clearly not ordinary soldiers who awarded them.
                    from 1921 to 1989
                    By the decision of the Sejm of the Commonwealth of February 4, 1921, the Order of the White Eagle was revived as the highest award of Poland. The motto was changed to "ZA OJCZYZNĘ I NARÓD" ("For the Fatherland and the people"). After the liquidation of the Polish Republic in 1939, as a result of the outbreak of World War II, the order continued to entrust the Polish government in exile. After the liberation of Poland from German troops in 1945, the People’s Republic of Poland was proclaimed, in the award system of which the order of the White Eagle was taken by the Order of Builders of People’s Poland. While the exiled Polish government in London continued to continue to deliver the Order of the White Eagle.
                    So who was your foster parent? Not really Marshal of the army of Ludov?

                    Not only your relatives have Polish awards, my grandfather liberated Poland and served there until 1947 as an instructor for training Polish officers. So he has real Polish awards and I know how they look.
                2. NordUral
                  NordUral 18 December 2017 14: 56 New
                  +4
                  Despite the social elevator, these scum were at the head of the country.
                  1. kalibr
                    18 December 2017 20: 56 New
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                    That is, climbed the fire escape? Didn’t they be popularly elected?
            2. Pancir026
              Pancir026 18 December 2017 11: 21 New
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              Quote: kalibr
              You did not guess, but still boast of a Soviet education. Was there a war in 1991?

              But isn’t it ... and didn’t you participate in it on the side of those who destroyed the country?
              1. kalibr
                18 December 2017 11: 51 New
                +3
                And how could a teacher of history of the CPSU and a lecturer of the Republic of Kazakhstan of the CPSU crush her? He would have been quickly shown the door, had he even said a word across from the implementation of party policy.
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 18 December 2017 11: 53 New
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                  Quote: kalibr
                  And how could a teacher of history of the CPSU and a lecturer of the Republic of Kazakhstan of the CPSU crush her?

                  You lied then, you are lying today, the vector of development in the country is being replaced, you will again be engaged in the usual business, again lying.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  He would have been quickly shown the door, had he even said a word across from the implementation of party policy.

                  That's why people like you are the ones who fought against what they swore, and then just surrendered the country.
                  1. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 12: 01 New
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                    Pancir026 Today, 11:53 ↑
                    You lied then, you are lying today, the vector of development in the country is being replaced, you will again be engaged in the usual business, again lying.
                    Vlad, welcome colleague! hi You are absolutely right! After all, look WHO was behind the collapse of the USSR? This is either party nomenclature, or members of the Komsomol Central Committee, or those who taught courses on the history of the CPSU.
                    And now they amicably hawk that country which they destroyed and not for free. There are a lot of examples: a little bit and Igor Chubais, Dalia Grybauskaite, "human rights activist" Novodvorskaya and other figures including Shpakovsky. All are “Komsomol leaders” or CPSU ideologists.
                    It is a pity Stalin did not show perseverance and did not shoot Khrushchov, and all this pack at the same time!
                    1. kalibr
                      18 December 2017 12: 26 New
                      +2
                      "who taught courses on the history of the CPSU" - my sense of self-importance then grows by leaps and bounds. We were 20 teachers of history of the CPSU of our polytechnic, many were retired colonels of the SA. Some fought ... I wish they read it now ...
                      1. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 18 December 2017 13: 26 New
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                        Quote: kalibr
                        We were 20 teachers of history of the CPSU of our polytechnic, many were retired colonels of the SA

                        Here it is ... just from the midst of the political leaders and what got out ... they betrayed us first, sold what they served. For 100 political councils. Barely 10 will pick up that they did not betray.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        “You lied then ...” The tape recorder cannot lie. This is to the Politburo!

                        You compared yourself with a tape recorder .. involuntarily betraying the fact that you don’t have your own.
                  2. kalibr
                    18 December 2017 12: 14 New
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                    “You lied then ...” The tape recorder cannot lie. This is to the Politburo!
                  3. verner1967
                    verner1967 18 December 2017 18: 54 New
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                    Quote: Pancir026
                    You lied then

                    finally it came to us, they always lied to us, starting with the formation of the RSDLP (b) and everything that remained until the 91st year laughing
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 18 December 2017 18: 57 New
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                      Quote: verner1967
                      finally got it

                      It didn’t reach you why they lied such as caliber and that they lied, not understanding absolutely that subject. Which they taught.
                      But the fact that since the disaster of the 90s, many have already realized who are like you, it really is.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 18 December 2017 20: 13 New
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                        Quote: Pancir026
                        But the fact that from the time of the disaster of the 90s to many has already reached

                        something long came to you, then
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        what they lied
                        I understood back in the 80s laughing
                      2. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 18 December 2017 20: 55 New
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                        Quote: verner1967
                        I understood back in the 80s

                        Already then overstepped? It and see.
                    2. kalibr
                      18 December 2017 20: 54 New
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                      Finally! Congratulations!
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 18 December 2017 21: 06 New
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                        Quote: kalibr
                        Finally! Congratulations!

                        sorry, are you me?
              2. verner1967
                verner1967 18 December 2017 18: 52 New
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                Quote: Pancir026
                and you didn’t participate in it on the side of the tech. who destroyed the country?

                where have you been? Something you were imperceptibly on the barricades, I suppose with both hands for the restructuring were laughing
                1. kalibr
                  18 December 2017 20: 51 New
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                  Isn't it the party that started it? And its members had to follow. There is such a thing - party discipline. And conviction - they know better above! And ... You certainly were at the barricades? And in 91 and in 93? Wow...
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 18 December 2017 20: 52 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    You were definitely on the barricades?

                    no of course I was against the power of the CPSU
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 18 December 2017 20: 57 New
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                      Quote: verner1967
                      no of course I was against the power of the CPSU

                      Patented?
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 19 December 2017 10: 33 New
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                        Pancir026 Patented?
                        Apparently. There’s nowhere to mark.
                    2. kalibr
                      18 December 2017 22: 32 New
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                      I haven’t been! She suited me all. Well, almost everyone!
                  2. verner1967
                    verner1967 18 December 2017 21: 06 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    Isn't it the party that started it? And its members had to follow. There is such a thing - party discipline.

                    Well, yes, hesitated along the party’s general line)))))
                    1. kalibr
                      18 December 2017 22: 31 New
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                      “Well, yes, hesitated along the party’s general line” - there was a good joke at that distant time, wasn’t it?
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 19 December 2017 07: 40 New
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                        Quote: kalibr
                        there was a good joke in that distant time, right?

                        great )))
          2. kalibr
            18 December 2017 11: 05 New
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            "That's just different, and therefore do not spread their negativity to everyone."
            Is the article about everyone? She's just about my friends. Probably someone grew up surrounded by Korolev and Kartsev ...
            And why am I "going to scream"? Everyone understands how ... understands. After all, the article is about this. It is from you emotions whipping over the edge.
        2. long in stock.
          long in stock. 18 December 2017 10: 41 New
          +9
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, and now how? Fools are surrounded by less? And the fact that I recently began to be disappointed in people ..
          1. kalibr
            18 December 2017 11: 01 New
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            No, of course, no less. They are probably almost always the same. In my opinion, the slogans with which they were hiding became less. Therefore, they have a harder time. Although not for everyone. Hide behind beautiful words and now these are hiding.
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 18 December 2017 16: 58 New
              +5
              so it’s so ... but now they are hiding behind money ...
            2. Prosha
              Prosha 18 December 2017 20: 39 New
              +2
              All the same, they hide behind slogans about increasing productivity and GDP growth, achievements and other crap, forgetting that people listen to slogans and continue to work and live like 50 years ago ... And in the yard - the XNUMXst century (
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 18 December 2017 10: 06 New
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Further comment on this nonsense, there is no desire.

        I do not agree. I stumbled upon this article and, in my opinion, it is very symptomatic and important. Yes, at first glance, the author is just a moral and intellectual degenerate who hates people and there is nothing to comment on, but the time in which this person acts is important. The connection between anti-Sovietism has long been noted with a certain type of worldview, namely, that many ideological anti-advisers are people angry who do not like other people with a clearly expressed Napoleon complex, but less often, attention is drawn to the fact that it was such people and precisely because of their qualities in the late Soviet system that they struggled to assert themselves at the expense of other people, to make a “career” and, accordingly, sought to party. A normal Soviet man (and indeed a normal person) will not go head over heels, will not impersonate, suck up and pretend for the sake of office. And these will be. From the stands they will shout about justice, in fact hating people and considering them cattle, and themselves an invaluable genius. After 1956, when treason was legitimized as political technology and double morality arose at the top of Soviet society, people of this type simply sucked up. In the party, they formed "interest clubs" and pushed theirs to higher posts.
        Well, how can one not be in a crisis in the USSR when a critical mass of such people has gathered in the party?
        I repeat myself, the author is insignificant and uninteresting, but his psychology and mode of action is typical of the era and poses a real threat to socialism (it is for socialism that capitalism is not aimed at creating a "society of good" and therefore such people are not dangerous to him).
        There is also a theoretical problem — Soviet socialism proceeded from the idea that a person is by nature kind, and that all his disorder is from social problems, and that it is worth solving these problems and everyone will become ideological and good.
        But either the importance of genetic and psychological factors was underestimated, or the time period for creating the conditions under which all people would become “good” should have been much longer than 50-60 years (especially in the conditions when the social revolution did not win in the first capital world) , but the fact is that in the late USSR the number of "antisocial elements", moreover actively masking and striving with all their might not for the factory, but for the "bosses" was very high.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 18 December 2017 10: 15 New
          +4
          Now I’ll write the same thing about my factory. And the matter is not only that everyone thinks of himself as d'Artagnan, and memoirs are an interesting story about how smart cars are. And it's hard to blame me for anti-Sovietism. Moreover, the stupid leader of the circle is dull without any political coloring. He's just dumb in the business he is doing.

          After the 1956 year, when treason was legalized as political technology and double morality arose at the top of Soviet society, people of this type simply began to be sucked up.


          Well, what do you want now if after the 1956 of the USSR you simply ate the moral, moral and legal groundwork laid down during the Stalin period? The USSR was not Gorbi and the EBN destroyed, his disbelief of the society in the rotten CPSU with its ideological nonsense, collapsed.
        2. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 10: 26 New
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          Odyssey Today, 10: 06 ↑
          I do not agree. I stumbled upon this article and, in my opinion, it is very symptomatic and important. Yes, at first glance, the author is simply a moral and intellectual degenerate who hates people and there is nothing to comment on, but the time in which this person acts is important here.
          Perhaps I agree with you, there really is something to comment on.
          The connection between anti-Sovietism and a certain type of worldview has long been noticed, namely, that many ideological anti-Soviet people are evil, dislike other people with a clearly expressed Napoleon complex, but less often attention is drawn to the fact that such people are precisely because of such qualities in the late Soviet system all forces sought to assert themselves at the expense of other people, to make a "career" and, accordingly, sought to join the party.
          To the very point. Having received negativity in his childhood from his ancestors, he transfers this negativity to the whole country and to that whole way of life. But, this is a special case. Most who were born and lived at that time had a good and cloudless childhood. Yes, we lacked the toys that modern children have, but this actually made us develop. For example, both my grandfather and father made PPSh and a three-ruler from wood and they were much cooler than modern plastic copies. We ourselves made homemade bows with arrows and played Indians. As soon as they saw knights in a movie, they immediately began to make shields, swords and the like of armor with their own hands. Rejoiced if it turned out better than the neighbor. We are self-developing, and now you will not see children on the street playing a scream or just snowballs.
          I repeat myself, the author is insignificant and uninteresting, but his psychology and mode of action is typical of the era and poses a real threat to socialism (it is for socialism that capitalism is not aimed at creating a "society of good" and therefore such people are not dangerous to him).
          Absolutely true and accurate assessment of this character. It is striking that the author spits on his past with ease, publicly humiliating his grandfathers and grandmothers. There were only DBs around fool , and you see, he grew up a "genius." I immediately remembered: all women are like women, I alone am a goddess. laughing laughing laughing
          1. kalibr
            18 December 2017 10: 45 New
            +1
            "There were only DB fool around, and you see, he grew up a" genius "." Well, are you so fond of attributing your thoughts to others? Where about this in the material? That's just not grown! It’s very far from a genius, but whether it’s only through his own fault - that’s the question. And how can we make sure that geniuses are now and in the future and ... do not become brakes in their way?
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 10: 54 New
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              kalibr Today, 10:45 ↑
              And how can we make sure that geniuses are now and in the future and ... do not become brakes in their way?
              Bad then you know the history of Russia. We always had brakes of progress, especially in the tsarist era. How many sticks Lomonosov put in wheels. And how many such Lomonosovs were there throughout Russia?
              In Soviet times, elevators just worked, especially under Stalin. Another thing is that with the coming to power of Khrushchev, the country turned off the path of building communism and gave rise to party nomenclature, which ultimately led the country to collapse. By the way, just like you brought!
              1. kalibr
                18 December 2017 11: 35 New
                +6
                I well know the story about social elevators, especially under Stalin, too. Briefly, both history and “elevators” can be summarized as follows: As soon as Lenin died, it turned out that the second person in the party, Comrade Trotsky, was a traitor. Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin and Stalin overthrew Trotsky and expelled from the USSR.
                But after a couple of years it turned out that Kamenev, Zinoviev and Bukharin are also enemies and pests. Then the valiant comrade Heinrich Yagoda shot them.
                A little later Yagoda, as an enemy agent, was shot by Yezhov.
                But after a couple of years it turned out that Yezhov was not a comrade, but an ordinary traitor and an enemy agent. And Yezhov shot Beria.
                After the death of Stalin, everyone realized that Beria was also a traitor. Then Zhukov overthrew and shot Beria.
                But soon Khrushchev learned that Zhukov was an enemy and a conspirator. And he sent Zhukov to the Urals.
                And a little later it was revealed that Stalin was an enemy, a pest and a traitor. And with it, and most of the Politburo. Then Stalin was taken out of the mausoleum, and the political bureau and Shepilov, who joined them, were dispersed by honest party members, led by Khrushchev.
                Several years passed and it turned out that Khrushchev was a voluntarist, a rogue, an adventurer and an enemy. Then Brezhnev sent Khrushchev to retire.
                Soon Brezhnev died, and it turned out that he was a senile, a pest and a cause of stagnation.
                Then there were two more senility, which no one had time to remember, because they died like flies.
                But then a young, energetic Gorbachev came to power. And it turned out that the whole party was a party of pests and enemies, but he will correct everything now ...
                It was then that the USSR collapsed. And Gorbachev turned out to be an enemy and a traitor.
                And all of them lifted up a social elevator!
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 18 December 2017 11: 47 New
                  +4
                  But after a couple of years it turned out that Kamenev, Zinoviev and Bukharin are also enemies and pests. Then the valiant comrade Heinrich Yagoda shot them.
                  A little later Yagoda, as an enemy agent, was shot by Yezhov.
                  But after a couple of years it turned out that Yezhov was not a comrade, but an ordinary traitor and an enemy agent. And Yezhov shot Beria.
                  After the death of Stalin, everyone realized that Beria was also a traitor. Then Zhukov overthrew and shot Beria.

                  but in October its not that much
                  then we learned the whole truth about him ...
                  wink (and further on the text. Options were - darkness fellow )
                2. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 11: 53 New
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                  kalibr Today, 11:35 ↑
                  I well know the story about social elevators, especially under Stalin, too. Briefly, both history and "elevators" can be stated as follows
                  Firstly, this is not your creation. This libel has already been seen on the Internet more than once and it is very popular among lovers of the "crunch of custodian bread." And as you know, lovers of crunching a roll with us are completely notorious anti-Soviet and Russophobia.
                  Secondly, you do not know history well, otherwise you would know what happened to those who made the French revolution, and indeed any other. Nobody has canceled historical processes and they are applicable to all revolutions.
                  Thirdly, exactly the same libel can be written about the Romanov dynasty, there will be almost one in one.
                  Hence only one conclusion. As you were a Russophobe Pole, so they will die!
                  1. kalibr
                    18 December 2017 12: 09 New
                    +3
                    "From here there is only one conclusion. As you were a Russophobe Pole, so they will die!"
                    We will all be there, so you did not tell me anything new. But about Russophobia I disagree categorically. Phobos is fear! That is, Russophobia is a fear of Russians. Why should I be afraid of them when I know everything about them, and even that myself? Stupid people are disgusting to me. Russians, Americans, Germans ... just the first ones are closer, more visible. And the second is far away. Not so striking. And about them already everything Zadornov said.

                    A "libel" is not mine? Yes, not mine, but the truth from repetition does not fade!
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 18 December 2017 11: 01 New
              +2
              * but only through her own fault - that is the question *
              I recall the film, "Ordinary Miracle", the character of Leonov. good
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 11: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            children on the street you will not see playing klek

            Sorry idiot, what is a scream?
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 11: 26 New
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              Mordvin 3 Today, 11: 07 ↑
              Sorry idiot, what is a scream?
              How would you explain this? Klek is in the likeness of small towns, but not a figure is exposed, but one bar, which is called a klek. It must be knocked down with a bat from different distances, gradually approaching it as you knocked it from a farther distance. The passer must have time to pick up the knocked down scream and put it to the point before you manage to run after your abandoned bat and cross the line where the screak stands before the passer put the screck in place. It may be a little messy and not clear, but something like that. By the way, maybe this game in other regions was called otherwise.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 11: 29 New
                +6
                So it was called differently in our country. I don’t remember exactly. Bouncer or something.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 18 December 2017 20: 03 New
                  +1
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  So it was called differently in our country. I don’t remember exactly. Bouncer or something.

                  It was called a baker, and this scream was a bourgeois burp.
                2. Prosha
                  Prosha 18 December 2017 20: 42 New
                  +1
                  This game was called "Baker", in some areas "King"
            2. kalibr
              18 December 2017 11: 31 New
              +2
              Klek is a street game. Players have bits. On the ground lies a piece of wood - a screak, pointed on both sides. They beat her and she takes off into the air ... well, there everyone runs and shouts “Sticks in a scream”!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 11: 34 New
                +6
                No, we had a little different. Here is how the Varyag said above. But not so, a little.
              2. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 11: 40 New
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                kalibr Today, 11:31 ↑
                Klek is a street game. Players have bits. On the ground lies a piece of wood - a screak, pointed on both sides. They beat her and she takes off into the air ... well, there everyone runs and shouts “Sticks in a scream”!
                In my opinion, this is already called bast shoe! I don’t know how anyone did, but our game was called a scream, where it was necessary to shoot him down with a bat, as in towns. And he was not imprisoned on both sides, and the ordinary round block of 10-15 centimeters high was placed on the priest. Lines were drawn, I don’t remember exactly how many meters it began, but put it from ten meters, then from nine, from eight and so on to one meter from the clam.
                Mordvin 3 Today, 11: 29 ↑
                So it was called differently in our country. I don’t remember exactly. Bouncer or something.
                Everything is possible with us, for example, the well-known salki were called frets, only we played them on a river in the water.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 18 December 2017 12: 24 New
                  +3
                  Something similar and we had, "banks" were called. Two cans were set up and lines were drawn from them at different distances. The farthest was a soldier, then a sergeant, and so on. They threw sticks (usually broken clubs), tried to shoot down cans. The golder guarded the sticks that did not hit the cans. Ranks were given for shot down banks, of course. In general, there were many options for the same game.
              3. Mikado
                Mikado 18 December 2017 11: 52 New
                +4
                Klek is a street game. Players have bits. On the ground lies a piece of wood - a screak, pointed on both sides. They beat her and she takes off into the air ... well, there everyone runs and shouts “Sticks in a scream”!

                Previously, such a game, like, was called a "siskin". what But each area has its own name. In Leningrad, we also did not use the word "salki" in my childhood, we called "tag" request
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 18 December 2017 17: 06 New
                  +3
                  we always called catch-ups .. and salki only from books title ..
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 18 December 2017 17: 22 New
                    +2
                    and salki are only from the title books ..

                    just about that, only from books!
              4. EvilLion
                EvilLion 18 December 2017 12: 31 New
                +1
                According to the description, it seems, like a siskin.
          3. Dagger75
            Dagger75 18 December 2017 11: 16 New
            +4
            I completely agree. You can not give ratings for one person. The author of the article is trying to incomprehensibly what to prove.
            1. kalibr
              18 December 2017 11: 32 New
              +2
              He is not trying to prove anything. Just memories.
      3. avva2012
        avva2012 18 December 2017 10: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: Varyag_0711 We already realized how badly you lived in the “Mordor.” How small the “genius” Shpakovsky was surrounded by solid DBs.

        It all depends on what the person pays attention to. If he is inclined to see ugliness (s) in people, he will only notice this. From this people are neither hot nor cold in fact, but a man lived a life in hell. Sad but fair.
        Author: V.O.Shpakovsky And then the party committee, to which I turned, was told to me like this: “You can say anything about students, but not about teachers!”

        1. kalibr
          18 December 2017 10: 32 New
          +2
          Greetings, dear doctor! Why in hell? Not at all. You yourself wrote that it is important what you pay attention to. But to be attentive to the environment and complex because of this - things are different. The fact that you cannot change, should not excite you! And to write only about the good would not be at all interesting for the most respected public. Well then how do you pronounce?
          And the hairpin about the "snitch," ah-ah. This is when denunciations write and do not sign. And I came and said. But how else to deal with the abominations of life?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 18 December 2017 10: 54 New
            +4
            What, you are complacent today, right. A denunciation, it is a denunciation, but what is not signed is called anonymous.
            * And to write only about the good would not be at all interesting for the most respected public *.
            Did I miss something, Vyacheslav Olegovich? When did you write something good yourself?
            1. kalibr
              18 December 2017 11: 28 New
              +2
              But didn’t you read the article "Toys of Soviet Children", "Do you want to raise patriots, go to the children!"? An article about the church in the Kuznetsk district of Penz. area. Yes, there were many articles ... It’s just that you also notice only that you are against wool. Well ... all people are people. There were also several articles about creativity ... "Denunciation is a denunciation." How tolerant are you, however, to your bastards, the main thing is that your yes? You-denounce, but I have a principled position.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 18 December 2017 12: 33 New
                +3
                * You-denounce, but I have a principled position. *
                Naturally.
                * You just also notice only that you are against the coat. Well ... all people are people. There were also several articles about creativity ... *
                I would be glad to notice something else, but that something else, suddenly, turned out to be a compilation. Yes, and your articles, anti-Soviet, all the raspberries .... It is somehow not easy to see something else in a person who writes similar libel or, for example, such an article like this.
                1. kalibr
                  18 December 2017 18: 44 New
                  0
                  I would not recommend a doctor, but simply suggested a little thought. For example, I do not understand the enthusiasm of some of our people for terms such as "anti-Soviet," "Russophobe." All this is a tribute to a bad tradition which is not worth following. There are no councils for a long time, or rather, they remained in England and the USA. And there is no such authority ... No advice, but is there anti-Soviet? Not weird? I would call such materials research. People are trying to understand the reasons. Or slanderous - if they write about millions of executed. It was less. This is much more true - a person reports false facts - that means he is not aware, or slanders. And if he recalls ... if this is his personal opinion, what is it about? Again unanimity? This will never happen! Unanimity is over! Russophobia is also ... Phobia is fear. This kind of fear may be with foreigners. But for people born in Russia - well, this is unlikely.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 19 December 2017 08: 13 New
                    +4
                    I would not recommend a doctor, but simply suggested a little thought.

                    I will try to try something at my leisure, thanks.
                    For example, I do not understand the enthusiasm of some of our people for terms such as "anti-Soviet," "Russophobe."

                    Do not like the anti-Soviet, use the word anti-communist, although this word is not entirely true. Nevertheless, the majority in the USSR were not communists, and therefore, the more correct word is used, "Soviet man" and, naturally, those who hate these people are called anti-Soviet. Here you are, for example, it’s the anti-adviser, and not the anti-communist, because you have nothing against ideology, because you will serve where you are ordered and to whom, if only you are fed generously. Well, Russophobia is a consequence of anti-Soviet, because there is a stable association: "Russian, this is Soviet."
                    Or slanderous - if they write about millions of executed. It was less.

                    Since the anti-communists are feeding you now, it’s you, as the author of VO, who slander in the first place, squeezing (there is no other word for it), a diverse anti-Soviet. “It was less,” under your pen, this phrase sounds mockingly.
                    There are no councils for a long time, or rather, they remained in England and the USA.

                    This, you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you can pour into your students' heads, but not here. Or, you yourself do not know what the "Tips"? Google is, check out.
                    Again unanimity? This will never happen! Unanimity is over!

                    Unanimity, you see now, not then. In the USSR, morality prevailed (without the Sermon on the Mount, but what's the difference?). People were brought up by people, “man, that sounds proud!”, Remember who said that? Advocacy, books, films, education at school and in the team, everything was aimed precisely at the fact that a person would be a man, and not a two-legged man without feathers. If, you call, this is “unanimity,” then any normal person will be in favor.
                    Now, all the muck that is in a person climbs out like a paste from a tube. If you want to carry out manipulations with the fifth point, conduct, there will be those who stand in these ranks and will applaud this abomination. You, for such freedom?
                    If in the USSR there was a unanimity in order to become a Man, now, there is a multitude of thoughts to become a Cattle. Sorry, but I didn’t take this queue.
                    1. kalibr
                      19 December 2017 21: 40 New
                      0
                      I will not argue, but something in the 91th not everyone wanted to be a human ...
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 20 December 2017 05: 35 New
                        +2
                        People got used to the good, relaxed and did not notice how the substitution took place. It’s possible to deceive anyone, but with the masses, this happens even easier. Therefore, now they live very well, those who consciously chose the current path. The rest survive as they can. It is known that in the bad, there is always good. People will understand what they have lost. Maybe not right away, maybe we all have more difficult times ahead, but once we understand how we can live, we will all return to human society.
            2. Mikado
              Mikado 18 December 2017 11: 53 New
              +5
              Did I miss something, Vyacheslav Olegovich? When did you write something good yourself?

              Good Doctor uncovered his favorite enema laughing
              1. kalibr
                18 December 2017 12: 00 New
                +3
                This proves once again that even normal people are generally biased. But that's fine, by the way.
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 18 December 2017 12: 31 New
                  +2
                  Yes, what the hell, objectivity - not before that; The doctor once again released a hairy alter ego! fellow laughing enema in the hands, the topic for "communication" - the most constant, favorite opponent on the site - what else is needed for happiness? wink good
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 18 December 2017 13: 00 New
                    +4
                    Nicholas, there are opponents, choose to taste. So this position of Vyacheslav Olegovich looks like masochism.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 18 December 2017 13: 30 New
                      +1
                      if you are talking about your eternal discussion, then this is already a classic of "military review" drinks good luck, love and patience! lol
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 18 December 2017 15: 37 New
                        +4
                        Well, somehow, I’ll manage without it myself, and patience is already a professional deformation.
                    2. kalibr
                      18 December 2017 18: 46 New
                      +1
                      I have written many times, doctor, that things are often not what they seem. So this is not masochism. But if you are interested in what it really is, I will write you personally. I do not want to upset the ranks of ... adherents.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 19 December 2017 08: 23 New
                        +4
                        I do not want to upset the ranks of ... adherents.

                        Yes, really, because of your modesty, we, jelly, will definitely not drink.
                        And so, you missed, not interesting. I think, nevertheless, this is masochism, because, having read the comment "Odyssey", any other person would have burned out of shame.
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 18 December 2017 12: 35 New
                +8
                Nikolay, what did you find good, eternal in this article?
      4. Boris55
        Boris55 18 December 2017 10: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Further comment on this nonsense, there is no desire.

        good
        The next article of the Rook will be about the beautiful and abstruse West. laughing

        1. kalibr
          18 December 2017 10: 25 New
          +1
          Why Rook, Boris? Well, what are you ... You have to write a starling - Shpak is a "starling" in Polish. And you are completely wrong. And where is the West? I did not live there and my knowledge of him is rather fragmented. And the article will be about how problems with children's creativity are being solved now. This is more important. Comments clearly show this and ... such information will be provided to VO readers. For reflection ...

          But Shchedrin, why? Let's bring all the phenomena together and write great material on the same topic. I will only be glad you succeed.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 18 December 2017 10: 59 New
            +5
            Quote: kalibr
            Shpak in Polish "starling".

            So you are also a Pole ?! laughing
            Shortcomings are everywhere. Only the dead do not have them. And Mikhail Efgrafovich, despite the fact that you see a straw with us, and in the west you don’t notice logs.
            As you know - everything is known in comparison. When you write a sequel - it is advisable to give examples of how the issue of "children's creativity" was solved and is being solved by TAM.

            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 11: 08 New
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              Boris55 Today, 10: 59 ↑
              So you are also a Pole ?! laughing
              Well, yes, the Pole is different. Only recently, the Dzerzhinsky and Rokossovsky ones have not been observed in our country, there are only Koreans, Matseychuki and Shpakovsky around.
              1. kalibr
                18 December 2017 11: 20 New
                +2
                Boris seems to be a regular visitor, but apparently he has not read the article (and not one), where did I get this surname. However, he could have forgotten. Now there is an abundance of information. And you also read the material inattentively, and immediately start writing ...
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 18 December 2017 21: 00 New
                +4
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                Well, yes, the Pole is different.

                Shpakovsky is not the “thickest” troll, for example, there is Kiselev, who worked for ukro-tv, also a former member of the VLKSM and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
                In theirs, Lenin is a Jew.
                1. kalibr
                  18 December 2017 22: 27 New
                  0
                  In Penza, we have a museum of Father Lenin when he worked for us ... there is about his marriage there. It will be about this ...
            2. kalibr
              18 December 2017 11: 21 New
              +1
              Boris55 Why photos from Charles Dickens? We blame the West for fraud and propaganda, and do we go along the same path?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 18 December 2017 11: 28 New
                +8
                Quote: kalibr
                Boris55 Why photos from Charles Dickens? We blame the West for fraud and propaganda, and do we go along the same path?

                From contemporaries: laughing
                1. kalibr
                  18 December 2017 11: 55 New
                  +2
                  I appreciate your humor! But the photos still have to be in place.
            3. Looking for
              Looking for 18 December 2017 15: 53 New
              +1
              And this is not some kind of photoshop.
      5. alatanas
        alatanas 18 December 2017 16: 49 New
        +4
        Just "he was born a genius, but in a manger (or kindergarten) he was replaced!" recourse
      6. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 18 December 2017 20: 51 New
        +8
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Having read through the lines under the second photo, I correctly recognized the author.

        Yeah, Author: V.O.Shpakovsky, a former party card holder.
        Perestroika ...
      7. Rastas
        Rastas 18 December 2017 21: 25 New
        +3
        As one American sociologist accurately said, he didn’t remember his last name: "If you are alone around you, it means that you are an idiot."
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 18 December 2017 13: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Without giving a general assessment of the article, this is the opinion of the author and it has the right to exist, I want to note one point. .......
      Some kind of strange reservation. On the one hand, "not giving," on the other hand, "I want to." After all, Vyacheslav Olegovich wrote in recent comments that you should not be half pregnant .... like 2 times, it seems. So please tell us Anton, your general assessment.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 December 2017 15: 56 New
        +3
        Dmitry, as I wrote "in recent comments," I do not share many of the moral and ethical imperatives of V.O. Shpakovsky. I’ll add that I’m not going to discuss them, because I consider such a debate a “transition to personalities” and an insult to a person, regardless of how he himself relates to this. That is exactly what I wanted to express in the first sentence of my comment. I further noted that the most dangerous for every person and society as a whole is not just imbecile, but imbecile in power, be it the head of the "crazy hands" circle or the president’s press secretary.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 18 December 2017 16: 27 New
          +3
          I’ll add that I’m not going to discuss them, because I consider such a debate a “transition to personalities” and an insult to a person, regardless of how he himself relates to this.

          Golden words, nothing to add. My respect! hi
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 December 2017 16: 49 New
            +3
            Yes, just sick of it! It seems that all adults and smart people, but few who express an opinion that is different from the beloved “stubby eye” of an individual, start a scandal in a communal apartment, with beating dishes and scratching the face. I am not a supporter of 20/80 theory, but involuntarily I think about it.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 18 December 2017 16: 56 New
              +3
              I am not a supporter of 20/80 theory, but involuntarily I think about it.

              I’ve been thinking about it for about three months what
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2017 17: 25 New
                +2
                It’s you who are just tired, and everyone is tired, as parusnik correctly noted, from “timelessness”
                "Day after day, everything went dirty
                From that became similar
                And in the rain, were different
                Most of them are honest, good. "
                "The time of the bells" (A. Bashlachev)
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 18 December 2017 18: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Yes, just sick of it! It seems that all adults and smart people, but few who express an opinion that is different from the beloved “stubby eye” of an individual, start a scandal in a communal apartment, with beating dishes and scratching the face. I am not a supporter of 20/80 theory, but involuntarily I think about it.

              Some of you, Anton, are overly impressionable, moreover, a communal apartment? Everyone speaks quite politely. Debates and disputes have always been here, and I dare to suggest that Vyacheslav is not against them. I even suppose he needs this for some reason, could recall some situations. Apart from the clicks, of course.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 18: 57 New
                +5
                Quote: Reptiloid
                .I even guess for some reason he needs it,

                He needs this to increase the number of page views. wink
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 18 December 2017 20: 41 New
                  +1
                  And that too, Vladimir, but not only. I don’t like playing “secret knowledge”, but I don’t like to say nasty things even more, they will answer my post - I will express myself.
                2. kalibr
                  18 December 2017 20: 44 New
                  0
                  No you're wrong. Analysis of publications shows, and you can verify that the most clicks collect materials about weapons. It's a little different haha. But somehow you will find out.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 18 December 2017 21: 40 New
                    +2
                    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I don’t want to publish this “slightly different” one, as much as three points. Take off - I will answer. Not because I share your position, because I do not support them. Yes, and your opponents have angered me very much, I will not be shy of expressions.
                    1. kalibr
                      18 December 2017 22: 21 New
                      0
                      "I will not be shy of expressions." Not worth it! VO site polite people. If you want, I will personally answer you. But the game of "secret knowledge" is so entertaining ... Soon there will be material about election technologies - ours and American. With their help, anyone can be brought into power. Would be $. That's where all the "secret knowledge" will be declassified ...
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2017 22: 40 New
                        0
                        Vyacheslav Olegovich, do you doubt my ability to “impose” a person or an audience without going beyond the limits indicated by the site administration? Offend me, I'm not Zhirinovsky.
                        And let’s do it this way, first I’ll tell you in a personal way my vision of the question, and you’ll already decide what to answer. Just do not be offended, it can be impartial. OK?
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 December 2017 11: 01 New
                      +2
                      Yes, and your opponents have angered me very much, I will not be shy of expressions.
                      "When I jump out, when I jump out, shreds go through the back streets!"
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 19 December 2017 11: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Yes, and your opponents have angered me very much, I will not be shy of expressions.
                        "When I jump out, when I jump out, shreds go through the back streets!"
                        it is interesting that, often disagreeing with opponents, somehow they do not teach each other, like, do it, say this or that, with one or the other ...... Accept others as they are and argue, defending your opinion .... It’s ridiculous, I didn’t read it, I didn’t read it, but we could try to study everything well first, like the articles of the authors, in retrospect, so to speak, and the comments of the opponent
                        And the desire to correct comments with the author is super !!!!!! I’m awesome. !!!!! We can say that this is like a sneak, like in a kindergarten. And we can say that this is disrespect for the author ---- to take his personal time by correcting the reader’s comments! And we can say that this is ---- fraudulent to the author, especially since there is no agreement in the assessment of the article. Substitution --- and concrete .
                        Right by the title of the article. Is it true, Alexander?
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 19 December 2017 12: 13 New
                        0
                        It’s ridiculous. Okay, everything suits everyone, but for God's sake. We drove through.
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 18 December 2017 21: 51 New
                    +2
                    Quote: kalibr
                    No you're wrong. Analysis of publications shows, and you can verify that the most clicks collect materials about weapons. It's a little different haha. But somehow you will find out.

                    That's good, Vyacheslav Olegovich, that you reported this. Subtleties of your work? Testing something or something else. In any case, the word GAME or RITUAL will probably come up? Or TRAP?
                    "" There is much my friend, Horatio, which our sages did not dream of. ""
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2017 19: 07 New
                0
                As for my "impressionability", in the previous discussion I explained to you its origins in the last comment, perhaps you did not read it.
                As for the communal apartment, it is the same, judging by the level of "... rams ... racha" (I know what I'm talking about, I lived in them for 15 years).
                Why is it V.O. I can present my version, but little will not seem to anyone, neither to him nor to opponents. Because, most likely it will be true.
              3. avva2012
                avva2012 19 December 2017 15: 50 New
                +4
                Quote: Reptiloid * Right by the title of the article. Is it true, Alexander? *
                Dmitry, do we analyze the article, but not the relationship between the Author and the commentators? The problem, after all, is that Vyacheslav Olegovich, on the pages of V.O., is not)) a real person. This is an image that, by some people, is perceived as one who is a real businessman, because he sells everything he can: ideas, technologies, his childhood, youth, old age, stepfather's awards, everything. On the other hand, there are people who believe that you should not pay attention to such trifles. Pragmatists, which means people are smart. What, Vyacheslav Olegovich in fact, we do not know. I personally am not interested. I, myself, belong to the first group, I don’t like the image that the author paints. Maybe I just can’t consider myself smart? Well, it’s better to be like that. Less cargo in front of the door to eternity.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 19 December 2017 16: 34 New
                  0
                  Well said, Alexander! I wonder which group you belong to me?
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 19 December 2017 17: 11 New
                    +4
                    I am not a researcher, I am a practitioner. The main thing is to which group you yourself relate. As I understand it, to my own. Notice me too.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 19 December 2017 17: 30 New
                      0
                      True, and yes, no doubt, I noticed.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 19 December 2017 20: 23 New
                  +1
                  Good evening, Alexander! After all, you, as a Doctor, treat all patients, regardless of their individualities, unemotionally. It turns out that I am unemotional here on the site, as well as at work, too. I agree with your assessment of the created image of Vyacheslav Shpakovsky. Agree that the "all for sale" position is held by many. From members of the government to gymnasiums and landlords of apartments. There is no escape from this phenomenon. Artists, showmen more than others. The case is typical-typical. Does the image coincide with reality? We will not know. Although I suppose not quite.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 20 December 2017 06: 00 New
                    +2
                    Dmitry, it doesn’t work out emotionally, but everyone needs treatment, this is the job. And, I’m not talking about the profession of a seller or entrepreneur, I’m also a decent job, as without her. "Everything for sale" is a life position that does not depend on the profession.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 20 December 2017 11: 34 New
                      +2
                      Alexander, I may not always understand you, but the position of an entrepreneur may be different. How do you write. I'm more interested in the ability to correct comments by the author himself. One or the other. And here, after all, before ordering the necessary comments --- half a step! That's what! And who needs to be to propose a correction in front of everyone?
                      And there is a proverb that the people named in the article, that they do not sow, do not plow, they themselves will be born.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 20 December 2017 12: 00 New
                        +2
                        Dmitry, don’t get me wrong, just, this is my opinion. Whoever and what he did not write, but remain himself, is the only win-win tactic and strategy. As they said in childhood, "do not like, do not eat." Good day.
  2. Rotmistr
    Rotmistr 18 December 2017 07: 41 New
    20
    In terms of mediocrity - judging by the work (works) and not only, little has changed. Rather aggravated.
    But happy are the children who grew up at that time
    Managed to build socialism)
    Cool knight costume) And hatchet also))
    I had a costume of a hussar-Pavlograd in my childhood - my mother sewed, did not sleep at night. For the event)
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2017 07: 48 New
      +6
      After 1962 and the film "Hussar Ballad" also wanted a hussar costume ... but ... my grandmother said - "Where are you going to salt them? Choose a hussar or a knight!" I had to choose a knight ...
      1. Rotmistr
        Rotmistr 18 December 2017 07: 55 New
        15
        It is right
        Moreover (please correct if I am mistaken) - the Polish hussar of 16-17 centuries. Well this is chivalry and hussars in one bottle)
        1. kalibr
          18 December 2017 07: 59 New
          +5
          That's right, but then I didn’t know that. There was little information, vivid, colorful pictures depicting warriors, tanks, aircraft. The pioneer was the magazine TM in 1968. There were also sets of visual aids for teachers - with this I was at least lucky. There was a lot of this house and everything was big, colorful ...
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 18 December 2017 07: 58 New
    +9
    Inspired, after reading: "The time, however, was not that, the time was completely different, the era was terrible, just the most terrible era. The mood was vile and the atmosphere was disgusting" .... And now it’s not time, but timelessness ...
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2017 08: 44 New
      +1
      Probably the truth is always somewhere in between ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 18 December 2017 13: 27 New
        +1
        Probably the truth is always somewhere in between ...
        ..After reading the article, I thought so ...
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 18 December 2017 11: 33 New
      +7
      * The era was an eerie, just an eerie era. The mood was disgusting and the atmosphere was vile "*.
      Raikin. This performance is ridiculous to watch now, and then, people understood what the depth of irony was after the 20 congress.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 18 December 2017 13: 24 New
        +2
        And the phrase ended with the words: But the fish in Kama was .. and further ... As I remember now, we boys, without pants, I'm sorry, barefoot, we run along the shore .... And Kama is wide, and in the bushes a nightingale ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 18 December 2017 14: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: parusnik
          And the phrase ended with the words: But the fish in Kama was .. and further ... As I remember now, we boys, without pants, I'm sorry, barefoot, we run along the shore .... And Kama is wide, and in the bushes a nightingale ...
          Here are many, probably all the humor of the USSR I do not understand, from the word ABSOLUTELY. Like many films or articles about that time ... It seemed like something to try.? Probably not just me. Probably many, but it doesn’t matter. Here is the fantasy of the USSR ---- understandable. But it would be good if Vyacheslav Olegovich, taking into account his specialty teaching the HISTORY of the CPSU, analyze with us the decisions of congresses and plenums, explain how and what? But this does not happen. And he should know all this, how did the course of the CPSU change. And he himself asks everyone.
          1. kalibr
            18 December 2017 18: 33 New
            0
            And he himself asks everyone. - Amazing, Dmitry! I will tell you a secret when they ask me like I do, then this is a method of Socratic dialogue. Even Socrates came up with ... was called "midwife art." Allowed not to impose an opinion, but to be born to him independently.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 18 December 2017 21: 20 New
              +1
              What secrets, Vyacheslav Olegovich ?? These are not secrets, this is a PR of technology. Like many others, including the Socratic dialogue. And the fact that I don’t understand some points, the country is different, and the system is different, and the declared values ​​----- are different.
              1. kalibr
                18 December 2017 22: 19 New
                0
                Here you are right, of course, you had to be born in 1954 in order to represent it all. And someone was born before ... But then there are problems. Someone rejoiced at a patchwork blanket, while someone suffered that he did not have tin painted soldiers. Someone’s grandmother was sleeping on a chest, and someone’s in a separate room ... This all leaves its mark, right?
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 18 December 2017 15: 42 New
          +3
          As I remember now, we boys, without pants, sorry, barefoot,
          And the main way to treat minors, in life, DB, sounded, "cheap and cheerful, a belt and this is the most .... that without pants."
  4. Conductor
    Conductor 18 December 2017 08: 37 New
    +4
    The middle of the 80s, or rather 1983-84, there were no sets in the ship model, all by ourselves.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 18 December 2017 09: 12 New
      +1
      A picture of one set of such a see?
      1. kalibr
        18 December 2017 09: 38 New
        +3
        Here is a look: Коробка
        And this is the content:
        1. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 18 December 2017 09: 43 New
          +5
          Thank. We didn’t have that. Only drawings. It turns out people were thinking about children.
          Today there are sets of robots in rare free circles. (((Mostly paid.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 December 2017 17: 48 New
          +2
          Harshly!
          But as a child, I thought that the set should look like that
          "model ... something there"
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 December 2017 17: 54 New
          +2
          But there was also a brilliant invention among all kinds of homemade products.
          Who remembers? Plastic constructor, like LEGO with pimples, only detail cubes
          small ones. There were axles, and wheels, and beams, a lot of things. My favourite toy.
          In my opinion, LEGO has not yet been surpassed in universality and simplicity.
        4. BAI
          BAI 18 December 2017 18: 14 New
          +5
          I had exactly this model, and also a big hunter and a yacht
      2. Hantengri
        Hantengri 18 December 2017 09: 52 New
        +3
        As simple as that: https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=Soviet%20
        set of% 20model% 20planner & noreask = 1 & lr = 65
        1. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 18 December 2017 10: 10 New
          +3
          honestly, unexpectedly. We only had drawings.)))
          1. kalibr
            18 December 2017 10: 27 New
            +1
            Have you not made paper models? According to the Polish magazine Small Model or our Lefty?
            1. hhhhhhh
              hhhhhhh 18 December 2017 10: 51 New
              +6
              I am from a district town. I learned about these magazines only on the Internet. Young technician with the application. Model designer. here are the sources and components))))
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2017 16: 12 New
                +3
                I’m not even from a district town, I’m from a town, but the “Small Model” was written to me.
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 18 December 2017 17: 11 New
                  +4
                  you were lucky ... but I could not write out in a large city, they said the limit ... here it is the Soviet deficit ...
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 18 December 2017 19: 14 New
                    +1
                    Sorry, I completely forgot about limits ... But it was ...
    2. long in stock.
      long in stock. 18 December 2017 10: 44 New
      +6
      we didn’t fall into it either ... all by our own hands ... but it depended strongly on the leader. who could get it ..
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 18 December 2017 12: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: long in stock.
        we didn’t fall into it either ... all by our own hands ... but it depended strongly on the leader. who could get it ..

        In this regard, I was lucky, there were ARZ and a furniture factory nearby and there were no “green” ones, and a lot of valuable was exported to the landfill, especially from the furniture factory: sandpaper of different numbers, trimming of different veneers: planed and peeled, from different species of wood. But with the engines of the transmission nodes, there is complete freedom of creativity: whoever finds what or does what.
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 18 December 2017 17: 03 New
          +5
          the landfill is our everything ... we went to the landfill of the aerodrome equipment factory — the color met was all in stock .. but the engines were yes ... seldom did they manage to get it ... and the toluoruberoid factory was a library. there from all over the country the written-off books and magazines came. Imagine a stack of military reviews of the year 82 so ... this is a fig where you get this ..
  5. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 18 December 2017 08: 59 New
    +6
    My God, it’s generally the norm that in a family of normal one and a half people, I will be surprised if the percentage is somewhere higher! At all times, can you think better now? A man for a fifty dollars, a higher education, is not in general, and I could not prove that the battle of psychics is in the balance. What do you say, do you think that TV can show FALSE, to the whole country? Yes, they will be punished for it! After such words, I realized that there are still people who believe in television.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 18 December 2017 09: 14 New
      +3
      From where do people who believe in people over fifty who troll young people come from.)))
  6. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 18 December 2017 09: 11 New
    +9
    In the West he would be surrounded by characters "Dumb and Dumber" or Pihari from "Clerks".
    As the ensign said: "I do not need faster and more efficiently, the main thing is that my hands are busy."
    Another cry, as it was bad in the scoop. ((((Today, children instead of DOSAF sets have spice and wheels.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 09: 15 New
      10
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      Today, children instead of DOSAF sets have spice and wheels.

      I went to a rocket circle at one time, so we didn’t have any kits, we did everything ourselves, except for the engine.
      1. kalibr
        18 December 2017 09: 51 New
        +1
        There were rocket-making kits, including a copy of the first Soviet rocket!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 10: 08 New
          +8
          Maybe there were, I have not seen. They made of paper, turned a wooden tip on the machines, a parachute to it, made of paper. All this flew, oddly enough. wink
          1. kalibr
            18 December 2017 10: 18 New
            +1
            I once made a machine for the manufacture of foam rocket bodies. One turn and the case is ready, then a special device makes a recess inside. Then a tip, stabilizers from thin plywood and it is possible to start. It was published in the magazine Model designer, but I don’t know how widespread it was, although it reduced the work for beginners at times.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 10: 58 New
              +6
              Which polystyrene foam is it? If it’s from dense, so it’s all with us on the floats. And from the other - little help. And what kind of machine is this? It became interesting.
              1. kalibr
                18 December 2017 11: 44 New
                +2
                The drawing was in the book "For those who like tinkering."
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2017 16: 16 New
                +1
                He didn’t even leave with us, he didn’t reach us! Everything on the floats was erased by the older generation.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 16: 21 New
                  +3
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  he didn’t reach us! Everything on the floats was erased by the older generation.

                  And here I remembered how Dynamite (well, this one, the actor is so fat) sold us a tourniquet. He, a bastard, bought up the whole tourniquet in a pharmacy, and then he sold us in a trident. fellow
    2. kalibr
      18 December 2017 09: 54 New
      +2
      hhhhhhh Bad not in the scoop. This, unfortunately, is a universal phenomenon. In the same America, frankly stupid no less, but more than ours! But already ignorant is just darkness. Here we still somehow hold on.
  7. EvilLion
    EvilLion 18 December 2017 09: 29 New
    +2
    “There was such a time!” A time when such mediocrity had every opportunity for prosperity?


    And now she is retired, and communicates with idiots less. The rest is everywhere "those who break and those who repair."
  8. Olgovich
    Olgovich 18 December 2017 09: 31 New
    +1
    Outwardly nand downs they are not alike, and to find out that they are not smart enough is possible only in the process of communication. Well, if you are young and have you been taught to respect people who are older than you? Not all young people can realize in time that people do not receive the right to respect for their age, but what they have done over the years, and that the old is much worse than the young!

    They were taught absolutely correctly: down is a form of human genomic pathology, a disease in other words. Respect - do not respect a person according to the principle of his illness, is not a disease, is one of the postulates of eugenics.
    There are a lot of not very smart, but very heroic respected people and a lot of brilliant, but unimpressed scoundrels.
  9. kalibr
    18 December 2017 09: 31 New
    0
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    Today, children instead of DOSAF sets have spice and wheels.

    No, not only. At least not at all ...
  10. kalibr
    18 December 2017 10: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Odyssey
    But either the importance of genetic and psychological factors was underestimated, or the time period for creating the conditions under which all people would become “good” should have been much longer than 50-60 years (especially in the conditions when the social revolution did not win in the first capital world) , but the fact is that in the late USSR the number of "antisocial elements", moreover actively masking and striving with all their might not for the factory, but for the "bosses" was very high.

    How well you wrote it ...
  11. kalibr
    18 December 2017 10: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Most who were born and lived at that time had a good and cloudless childhood.

    And they happily developed ... and grew up devoted, steadfast, builders ... but for some reason everything went wrong. And cloudless childhood and self-development did not help.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 18 December 2017 13: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: kalibr
      And they happily developed ... and grew up devoted, steadfast, builders ..

      And you developed and studied, but grew [b] [/ b] destroyer
      1. kalibr
        18 December 2017 16: 45 New
        +1
        About the conspiracy theory of teachers of history of the CPSU, I have not heard ...
  12. kalibr
    18 December 2017 11: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    By the way, just like you brought!

    That's how I knew that this phrase would appear. And she only says that ... it’s not getting smaller, right? My article about the evacuated population was recently here. And there, in the preface, it was told about the preferences of teachers of history of the CPSU. But you had to pay for them, right? That is, accurately and well perform their duties. Otherwise, no one would have kept you on such a job. So, there can be no reason to believe that we have unfairly performed our duties. And the conclusion is that everyone worked as required, less than what no one did, and yet it fell apart! Why?
  13. OAV09081974
    OAV09081974 18 December 2017 12: 12 New
    20
    Hearing the memories and revelations of an intelligent person is always interesting and important. And personal likes and dislikes are personal. In any era there was both good and bad. And any person judges any phenomenon subjectively - through the prism of his knowledge, experience and much more.
    And I also want to note that V.O. Shpakovsky obtained work in any genre - scientific, journalistic, memoir ...
    Interesting and informative.
    I wish dear Vyacheslav Olegovich further creative success. hi
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 12: 31 New
      16
      OAV09081974 Today, 12:12
      And I also want to note that V.O. Shpakovsky obtained work in any genre - scientific, journalistic, memoir ...
      Birds of a feather flock together... laughing laughing laughing
      A cuckoo praises a rooster for praising a cuckoo. wassat
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 December 2017 16: 32 New
        +1
        Is that why you wrote it? To be like kicking a person? Would you even read Oleinikov for a start or something ...
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 16: 51 New
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          3x3zsave Today, 16:32 ↑
          Is that why you wrote it? To be like kicking a person? Would you even read Oleinikov for a start or something ...
          So I read! Because he wrote, what do you dislike? He was especially killed by a series of articles about the "military genius" of Nicolas Ampirator No. 2 ... laughing laughing laughing
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 18 December 2017 17: 19 New
            +3
            write better, we read. stop I suspect that you’ll hardly succeed in “washing” A.V. Oleinikov. hi I’ll join Anton - it’s a sin to write about the authors of the site, ugly. no
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 December 2017 17: 40 New
            +2
            I already answered reptiloid, which I don't like. As for Oleinikov, I did not read articles about Nicholas II, but, of course, any praise of his "military genius" will cause me at least a misunderstanding.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 18 December 2017 17: 58 New
              +2
              As for Oleinikov, I did not read articles about Nicholas II, but, of course, any praise of his "military genius" will cause me at least a misunderstanding.

              I flipped through everything. It seems that there were no articles about Nicholas II. about the troops, about the war, about the operations - there were, about Nicholas II - was not. stop In general, other authors like to "engage" with this king. request
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2017 18: 11 New
                +3
                Moreover, even in articles of a negative nature, the authors do not stoop to "slops", for 1. Modera will not let pass, 2. (and most importantly) "the dead will not have shame," but they cannot answer. And so the excitement is dumb. Boredom !!!
              2. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 18: 25 New
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                Mikado Today, 17:58 ↑
                I flipped through everything. It seems that there were no articles about Nicholas II. about the troops, about the war, about the operations - there were, about Nicholas II - was not. stop Generally, other authors like to "engage" with this king. request
                That's exactly what they “flipped through” ... What and where did you flip through? We look at the book we see a fig?
                The series of articles by this author is called: "Emperor Nicholas II as a military leader of Russia during the First World War." Read, if there are brains, you will be greatly surprised at what the "military genius" was our repose of the ampira ... laughing laughing laughing
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 18 December 2017 18: 34 New
                  +4
                  hmm .. and you are right! hi I managed not to notice.
                  Read if you have brains, you will be very surprised

                  What does “if” mean, sorry? I have brains, just.
                  I will re-read it and express my opinion. hi
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 18 December 2017 19: 30 New
                    +3
                    But I wonder why it suddenly some began to bring up others? Education should take place according to seniority only !!!.
                    However, this was not what I wanted, but only as a result of Nicholas’s thoughts on his entrance. Nikolay, I want to inform you about training programs for TSZh. I do not write in PM, because you somehow did not answer my answer to you.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 18 December 2017 21: 38 New
                      +3
                      But I wonder why it suddenly some began to bring up others? Education should take place according to seniority only !!!.

                      the fact that one brings up the other is only a sign of the confidence of the educator, regardless of whether he is a political instructor, an older person, or a juvenile paid criminal. It just does not depend on intelligence ... request I will answer. We ask forgiveness. I don’t think that programs will change anything. Rather, a tenant retraining program is needed. True, do not kiss them wherever, everywhere the ass will be. Most, at least. hi
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 19 December 2017 00: 11 New
                        +2
                        Your homeowner association, Nikolai cannot force janitors to clean the chute, cannot implement a video surveillance program, and probably something else. RESIDENTS must elect a working homeowners association, otherwise you may lose the elevator and what else, no one except the tenants themselves will take care of this. Maybe it's your fate to become the chairman of the homeowners association and put things in order in the house. And so --- You’ve been telling us about the problem for more than a year, but it’s not getting any better. Is it really a hunt to live in the bum? At the Leninsky Prospekt metro there are houses, bricks, very sensible household associations. In contact --- groups.
                        I apologize to Vyacheslav Olegovich for avoiding the topic, but Nikolai wrote about this and it only got worse.
                        And about education, you wrote something wrong, Nikolai.
    2. OAV09081974
      OAV09081974 18 December 2017 12: 33 New
      18
      The tablet corrected me a little bit - of course it should have sounded "in VO Shpakovsky."
      In the photo of my grandfather (on the left side of my chest) I could see the crosses ...
      If I do not confuse the blind
      1. kalibr
        18 December 2017 16: 43 New
        +1
        This is my adoptive father, this is his Polish awards. Grandfather only Soviet ...
      2. Mikado
        Mikado 18 December 2017 17: 24 New
        +1
        seems to be the "Grunwald Cross." But I could be wrong.
        1. kalibr
          18 December 2017 20: 35 New
          +1
          Yes, that's right: The Cross of the White Eagle, The Cross of the Grunwald 2nd Degree, The Golden Cross of Merit, and The Cross of the Brave. and Soviet - Red Star and World War II. Moreover, the "Eagle" is hung on the neck, but he did not wear it on the neck. And so on May 9 everyone squinted.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 18 December 2017 22: 26 New
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            kalibr Today, 20:35 ↑
            Yes, that's right: The Cross of the White Eagle, The Cross of the Grunwald 2nd Degree, The Golden Cross of Merit, and The Cross of the Brave. and Soviet - Red Star and World War II. Moreover, the "Eagle" is hung on the neck, but he did not wear it on the neck. And so on May 9 everyone squinted.
            HA HA HA ... So you and Mr. liar have come across. Carried away by your lies, you pierced on the elementary.
            The cross of the White Eagle, your father could wear only in one case, if he fought on the side of the White Poles, which is not realistic in age, or on the side of the army of Ludov, who fought against the Red Army. By the way, I do not see the sign of the order of the "White Eagle" there, and it was clearly not ordinary soldiers who awarded them.
            from 1921 to 1989
            By the decision of the Sejm of the Commonwealth of February 4, 1921, the Order of the White Eagle was revived as the highest award of Poland. The motto was changed to "ZA OJCZYZNĘ I NARÓD" ("For the Fatherland and the people"). After the liquidation of the Polish Republic in 1939, as a result of the outbreak of World War II, the order continued to entrust the Polish government in exile. After the liberation of Poland from German troops in 1945, the People’s Republic of Poland was proclaimed, in the award system of which the order of the White Eagle was taken by the Order of Builders of People’s Poland. While the exiled Polish government in London continued to continue to deliver the Order of the White Eagle.
            So who was your foster parent? Not really Marshal of the army of Ludov?

            Not only your relatives have Polish awards, my grandfather liberated Poland and served there until 1947 as an instructor for training Polish officers. So he has real Polish awards and I know how they look.
            1. kalibr
              19 December 2017 08: 21 New
              +1
              He served in Poland until 49 as the head of the special department of the Krakow Military District. He had the rank of colonel. What, why, where, I don’t know. I remember he showed them documents. I remember the big 8-final cross with an eagle and the inscription HONOR AND FOUNDATION. Somewhere there is a photo where these of his orders on the suit are visible better. But I see no reason to bring her and prove something. Fundamentally I’m not proving anything to anyone.

              Today, that is, the next day, I once again indulged in memories, looked on the Net and yes, indeed, there could not be a “white eagle” - although I remembered that he was on the order, but the last time I saw him in 1984, I forgot the details. But I remember that there were 4 crosses. It turns out the white eagle was also on the cross of the Renaissance of Poland.
              In addition to him there was also a golden cross of merit, a cross of Gruvald, a cross of Virtuity Military and a cross of the brave. Finally, for sure, otherwise it’s really inconvenient for people to mislead.
    3. EvgNik
      EvgNik 18 December 2017 13: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: OAV09081974
      I wish dear Vyacheslav Olegovich further creative success.

      Do you have OVAL?
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    4. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 December 2017 16: 28 New
      +2
      The opinion of a specialist! hi
  14. Curious
    Curious 18 December 2017 12: 54 New
    +7
    Stupidity is an integral part of human existence, a philosophical category. And worried philosophers and scientists for a long time. It is enough to recall Erasmus of Rotterdam and his work "Praise of Stupidity."
    However, there is one significant point.
    The famous Soviet scientist-philosopher, specialist in the theory of creativity and science of science, neuropathologist Alexander Naumovich Luk in his work "On a sense of humor and wit (Stupidity as an object of understanding)" gives the following historical examples.
    In a government document against the name of the boyar, who sought the place of governor, Peter I made a note: "Zelo stupid." And when an omission was discovered by the sluggish lieutenant, the Peter's order said: “Lieutenant Flaming has to impute this to stupidity and to expel, like a sham, from service.” “It would not be bad,” notes A.N. Onion - if the item contained in the official characteristics - wouldn’t it? According to the psychologist, “failures and failures in work most often result from this very unfortunate circumstance.”
    In modern reality, such an idea seems to be over-relevant, however, its practical implementation rests on a number of important issues. The first is the exact definition of the criteria of "tomfoolery." Well, the second is already classic: "And who are the judges?" Who will be that infallible and objective "appraiser" putting the stamp "smart" or "" in the passport?
    Therefore, you should not look at the world through the gloomy prism of the "Pareto distribution", considering that four of the five people around you are fools.
    It is better to profess the cheerful philosophical approach of F. Bacon. “The most common external cause of one person’s happiness is the stupidity of another, for there is no other way to suddenly succeed, as if taking advantage of the mistakes of other people.”
    Therefore, there will be no fools ... but there will be no happy and successful.
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2017 20: 32 New
      +2
      True, but I would like a little less, is not it?
      1. Curious
        Curious 18 December 2017 21: 56 New
        +2
        It is indisputable.
  15. brn521
    brn521 18 December 2017 13: 08 New
    +1
    “The secret to winning the support of large groups of people is positive thinking.” @ Robert Asprin
  16. EvgNik
    EvgNik 18 December 2017 13: 32 New
    +6
    She stated this in 1962, when I studied with her in first grade and already read Young Technician
    What a clever man, and I only read Gorky’s childhood at enti, but was interested in the Muzilka magazine! Because now he is political literate (how many letters did he change over the years?) Now he is engaged in the most respected craft, advertising and piyar. Which the people hate with all their heart, in turn, Mr. Oleg Vyacheslavovich hates the people, and out of his inborn gloating, he does what he loves, which no one needs, but which brings income.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 18 December 2017 16: 54 New
      +6
      Yes, he does not hate people, but people. Some are higher, others are lower. The people, abstraction. What emotions can be?
      1. kalibr
        18 December 2017 20: 31 New
        +1
        That's right, dear doctor! Thanks you! Separate ... stupid, nasty, ill-mannered. Probably everyone met with such? So what? They rushed to their neck with a cry, "My beloved brother!" In Huckleberry Finn there is how the judge tried to re-educate dad Huck and that they did it. "A good bullet will reeducate him!" - in the end he said.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 19 December 2017 08: 40 New
          +3
          In Huckleberry Finn there is how the judge tried to re-educate dad Huck and that they did it. "A good bullet will reeducate him!" - in the end he said.

          Not the fact that this expression does not apply to you personally. Think, maybe it’s worth treating people more humane? An almost classic expression, bees prefer honey, so they find it, but flies ... Maybe you should stop being yourself and everything will work out?
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 19 December 2017 09: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: avva2012
            An almost classic expression, bees prefer honey, so they find it, but flies ... Maybe you should stop being yourself and everything will work out?

            Precisely because it can’t cease to be, therefore everything is not getting better.
            Quote: avva2012
            . "A good bullet will reeducate him!" - in the end he said.

            Someone who forgets that this happens in history, with respect to those who at the end have ceased to see themselves as equal in people, thinking that he or others like him in a very narrow circle, is something like a higher race.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 19 December 2017 16: 01 New
              +2
              Everything, we go under it, simply, not everyone remembers it. In the words of Minnich, "Russia is directly controlled ...", and as another sage said, "everything will pass, this will pass." Our country will rejoice. Sooner or later, one way or another.
          2. kalibr
            19 December 2017 21: 55 New
            0
            And my doctor is fine. Or you approve of the behavior of the described characters. Yes or no?
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 20 December 2017 06: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: kalibr Yes or no?

              A teacher in the USSR did not inspire the children with the idea that they were special, that they only wanted to and they would have everything, did not feed them with illusions. It is known how the clash of illusions with reality ends; this is alcoholism, drug addiction, asocial behavior. You and people like you, pouring nonsense into the rising generation, rubbish about a society of equal opportunities, just produce "the described characters." So, the question, “Yes or no?”, Ask yourself while looking in the mirror.
              1. kalibr
                20 December 2017 07: 04 New
                0
                How not ashamed to leave the direct question. All of you, adherents, are like that ... As you press it, wag and shake it right away. But it’s so simple - do you approve of the behavior of the described characters? I do not approve. This is what is written. And do not tell me about the teachers of the USSR who inspired ... I remember very well what and how they inspired. But what you pour into the head of the younger generation you can not know.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 20 December 2017 07: 40 New
                  +2
                  Vyacheslav Olegovich, do you think that only you know information about dialogue? belay You asked a question that does not require an answer, because, you know the answer. Not one normal person, will not answer, yes. “Expecting” the answer to this question, you consider your opponent “abnormal,” that is, you deliberately insult him and try to get him out of balance. So, on the bill, “am I ashamed”, you again turned to the wrong address.
                  But what you pour into the head of the younger generation you can not know.

                  Is the Manifesto and the course "History of the Bolshevik Party"?
                  And do not tell me about the teachers of the USSR who inspired ... I remember very well what and how they inspired.

                  Are you a pedagogically unbearable person?
                  1. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 20 December 2017 16: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    “Expecting” the answer to this question, you consider your opponent “abnormal,” that is, you deliberately insult him and try to get him out of balance. So, on the bill, “am I ashamed”, you again turned to the wrong address.

                    This is the behavior of a person who is flawed in himself and aware of this. But by virtue of this, he does not want to accept any even the most realistic and undeniable argument of the opponent.
                    For me, in vain you are trying to explain something to him, the pathology of consumerism and adaptation is a contagious thing and can be treated very, very hard.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 21 December 2017 02: 51 New
                      0
                      While a person is alive, Vlad, there is hope. Yes, and it is impossible to leave a lie unchecked to frolic and feed fat subcutaneous. As for infection, disinfection, deworming, deratization, aseptic and antiseptic rules are part of professional knowledge. laughing
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    2. kalibr
      18 December 2017 18: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: EvgNik
      but I only read Gorky’s childhood at enti, but was interested in the Muzilka magazine!
      That's noticeable! I see that you retained a predilection for such reading in old age!
  17. BAI
    BAI 18 December 2017 14: 48 New
    +2
    And how much does the epoch-making work “Me and My Role in World History” relate to the subject of “VO”?
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2017 16: 39 New
      +1
      Have you read all the materials?
      1. BAI
        BAI 18 December 2017 18: 15 New
        +3
        Yes. He even commented on anti-Semitism and education.
        1. kalibr
          18 December 2017 20: 28 New
          +1
          Then where is there about the world role? The usual quite memoirs ...
  18. NordUral
    NordUral 18 December 2017 14: 53 New
    +4
    To be continued ...

    Maybe not?
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2017 16: 39 New
      +1
      Is it not interesting?
  19. Blue cop
    Blue cop 18 December 2017 16: 20 New
    17
    Used to be pedyushki
    Especially the history faculty in them, including and for organs they prepared - the coolest.
    Plus
    I read with interest
  20. kalibr
    18 December 2017 16: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: EvgNik
    engaged in a favorite business, no one needs, but generating income.

    We will see after the election how unnecessary it is!
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 December 2017 17: 02 New
      +3
      After your statement, the comrade will not go specifically to the polls, because FIG knows what Shpakovsky is teaching his students there. Suddenly they learned to stuff slogans in mayonnaise.
      "... He’s a master at these things
      This is John Lancaster
      (V. Vysotsky)
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 18 December 2017 17: 34 New
        +2
        Suddenly they learned to stuff slogans in mayonnaise.

        Why not? then I read a curious note that in the 30s, party leader Postyshev tried to look for a swastika in the context of sausage. laughing Wait, as soon as they shove it, progress does not stand still! laughing ate a piece of sausage - look, already a communist, and a party! soldier
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 18 December 2017 18: 22 New
          +2
          Again Bashlachev: "... each time has its own orders, each felt boots has its own style ..."
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 18 December 2017 18: 42 New
          +1
          Again, sausage is somehow not communist, here is a salad of seaweed - yes!
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 18 December 2017 19: 14 New
            +2
            here is a salad of seaweed - yes!

            You have revealed yourself, Japanese spyon! wink drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 18 December 2017 19: 25 New
              +3
              Take a look at yourself, you generally recruited a cat! laughing
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 18 December 2017 19: 32 New
                +2
                I repent .. recourse it worked out well - I feed it every day, remove the tray and let it scatter the wool around the apartment .. sad
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 18 December 2017 21: 01 New
                  +1
                  This is alright, cat service, the essence of the natural need of the human body (well, according to cats). You better remember how you got it? And you didn’t choose a name for him? But he meows like, doesn’t coincide with the "morse code" by chance?
                  "So John’s assistant at all
                  Was a find for the spy
                  It can happen to anyone
                  If drunk and mild
                  (V. Vysotsky)
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 18 December 2017 21: 29 New
                    +4
                    You better remember how you got it? And you didn’t choose a name for him? But he meows like, doesn’t coincide with the "morse code" by chance?

                    Anton, before meeting him I would never have believed that a cat could be true. What where are you - there he is. He loves not for sausage, and sleeps at his feet, only to feel me, and sniffs at the same time. yes Vladislav-Kotische once said, they say: "it is still unknown who brings up more than anyone, an animal or a person." And right, it seems! Somehow strange, I chose a nickname ... what
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        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 18: 48 New
          +8
          There is definitely no swastika in the doctor’s. You can not look, Mikoyan will not understand. laughing
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 December 2017 19: 28 New
            +1
            Which Mikoyan? Myaskombinat or Anastas Ivanovich?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 19: 31 New
              +8
              Anastas Ivanovich. If sclerosis does not change me, then a doctor’s sausage was invented by his order. wink
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2017 19: 36 New
                +2
                Then just check is not worth it. This one for doubts about the party line from the other world will get it.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 19: 43 New
                  +8
                  By the way, the Doctor’s name was called because it was considered medical, and the first thing she went to the sanatorium. For the treatment of the Bolsheviks. 90 meat with something percent, the rest is fat and pork skin. In the seventies, GOST changed, there was less meat, I don’t remember exactly how much.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 18 December 2017 21: 31 New
                    +2
                    By the way, the Doctor’s name was called because it was considered medical, and the first thing she went to the sanatorium. For the treatment of the Bolsheviks.

                    I’ll joke - and I thought, to feed the Good Doctors, and "the production of them Bolsheviks" laughing hairpin to our Doctor. drinks
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 21: 39 New
                      +4
                      Yes, I think he wouldn’t refuse such a thing. fellow drinks Well, me too. Where else can you find such that almost all of the meat was?
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 18 December 2017 21: 42 New
                        +2
                        Yes, who would refuse! good God himself commanded! (as well as the party and Mikoyan personally!) drinks
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 20 December 2017 06: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx Maybe I have the wrong information, because I read about it in 90.
                        Oh, what only in the "saints 90" wassat did not write. I remember in the newspaper "Top Secret" there was an article stating that we were controlled by a mushroom colony. Where is Ren TV fellow
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 December 2017 08: 49 New
                      +4
                      "Here the hairpin flew and yeah ...." They made sausage not for the Bolsheviks, but for the people:
                      Almost to the end of 50's The sausages that were made at various meat processing plants, although they differed due to the quality of the raw materials, were clearly consistent with the standard. The standard was considered the products of the Mikoyan meat processing plant. Wherein its cost was significantly higher than the retail price, and you could buy Doctoral sausage in almost any store.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 19 December 2017 10: 08 New
                        +2
                        "Here the hairpin flew and yeah ...."

                        hit? wink Doctor is back? drinks
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 December 2017 18: 11 New
                        +4
                        Doc, I just wrote that initially it was supplied first thing in the sanatorium. Maybe I have the wrong information, because I read about it in 90. hi
                    3. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 December 2017 11: 14 New
                      +3
                      No, ser, They brought him home, it turned out he was alive.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 19 December 2017 14: 42 New
                        +1
                        No, ser, They brought him home, it turned out he was alive.

                        did the night go so badly or so divinely? wink laughing
                    4. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 December 2017 16: 07 New
                      +3
                      * did the night go so badly or so divinely? *
                      I'll try for a moment to fall to Zen))). It all starts below the waist, but not everything ends with it winked
  21. Karen
    Karen 18 December 2017 17: 04 New
    +1
    Yeah, the grandchildren of the ministers of Trotsky bespectacled were taped in the comments ... :))))
  22. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 December 2017 17: 45 New
    +5
    I liked the oak icebreaker and the tin can with nuts! good
  23. kalibr
    18 December 2017 18: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Reptiloid
    if Vyacheslav Olegovich, considering his specialty teaching the HISTORY of the CPSU, would analyze the decisions of congresses and plenums with us, explain how and what? But this does not happen. And he should know all this, how did the course of the CPSU change.

    Dmitry, but we were not taught to disassemble them. We were taught to bring them to the attention of students. And explain the triumph of Leninist ideas. The tape recorder cannot explain anything. It can give high-quality sound. And I can only talk about what the witness was. But ... and no more.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 18 December 2017 19: 48 New
      +2
      As for the stories about the seen ----- after all, the boundaries of perception are different for everyone. After all, at work, one way or another, they often talk about socialism and I see that many are different. But, Vyacheslav Olegovich, if we brought to our attention the decisions of congresses and plenums ----- I would be glad. And there, you see, with the help of comrades ----- the matter would get off the ground for me.
      1. kalibr
        18 December 2017 22: 07 New
        +2
        Dear Dmitry, believe me, I like your inquisitiveness. But ... I have not dealt with the history of the CPSU since 1991. I handed over all this literature to waste paper. What I need to teach cultural studies I have. But engage in educational program ... thank you! It is necessary to consistently write articles on cultural studies, adding sociology and history ... This is an unthinkable thing on the site. Unbearable to one person. And meaningless. Everything is already on the web. I already wrote here: there were articles on PR and journalism - the textbook “Internet Journalism and Internet Advertising” appeared (Infra-Engineering Publishing House) Book, read, you will learn a lot! Soon there will be published the textbook "PR Design and PR Promotion" - order, you will learn even more. Finally, there will be a textbook on Public Opinion Management Technologies. Quite a lot will be there. Articles are a bad textbook. We must read books! A textbook on the history of the CPSU of the Soviet era ... you can also get it, I guess.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 18 December 2017 22: 19 New
          +3
          As for the comparison of books and articles, you are absolutely right, Vyacheslav Olegovich. I agree. But when the topic is unfamiliar, it’s easier for me to start with articles. And then go on to books. VO just helps a lot in this. High direction. As for technology, I plan to buy, but have not yet been involved.
          1. kalibr
            19 December 2017 08: 05 New
            +1
            And this is also correct. The article shows a vector, interest arises, and then a person already seeks or does not look for ways to satisfy him. And do you think why, in almost all of my articles, I give HISTORIOGRAPHY of the question, links (and even cover photos) to the books used ... So that those who are interested can go further on their own. How many times, for example, did I offer to read the newspaper Pravda from 11 on June 1944 of the year. But nobody wrote something - I READ! This is bad. Thinking without knowledge!
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            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 19 December 2017 10: 54 New
              +1
              The article not only shows the vector, it makes it possible to ask the right question about what was previously unknown. In order not to become like a savage, as in Robert Sheckley’s story THE QUESTION IS QUESTION: To ask this right question, you need to know half the answer !!
              1. kalibr
                19 December 2017 21: 27 New
                +1
                You can know the whole answer. I'm talking about the newspaper True ...
        2. Curious
          Curious 19 December 2017 00: 09 New
          +2
          textbook "Public Opinion Management Technologies".
          This is a very topic of the article. Complaining about the abundance of fools ... you make every effort to increase their population. Dialectics, you understand.
          1. kalibr
            19 December 2017 08: 01 New
            +2
            On the contrary, I show how this is done and how to do it. Whoever needs it will figure it out.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 19 December 2017 08: 21 New
              +3
              I shake hands with fools --- with both hands!
              How much in essence do we owe them
              ! If only there were no other fools,
              That we would have to be fools ourselves. S, Y. Marshak.
              *******
              One-two-three was examined in magnifying glasses.
              And they uttered OH STUPID. The whole horror here was
              That the one they recognized as a fool
              He was smart, they were stupid. Sasha Black
            2. Curious
              Curious 19 December 2017 15: 24 New
              +2
              You develop technological instructions for the production of ... crayfish in the modern sense of the term. The category "dur ... ak", its content, they change in time. Your benefits contribute to the latest technology. At the same time, one wonders at the abundance of "fools".
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 19 December 2017 21: 43 New
                +2
                The number of stupid is not growing from technology. And due to human instincts !!!!! Indeed, the entire population of the Earth is increasing. So the number of smart ones is increasing too. And %%%% is always saved!
                1. kalibr
                  20 December 2017 13: 45 New
                  +1
                  Dear Dmitry! I subscribe to your every word!
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 20 December 2017 14: 07 New
                    0
                    These theses are very easily refuted. Ignorance of this is normal for the "average consumer", but surprising for a direct participant in the process, which is Vyacheslav Olegovich.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 20 December 2017 17: 00 New
                      0
                      It’s interesting to each other ---- the distribution of those and others over the territory. I recalled someone’s words --- clever, clever, but not our way ....... Where did this come from?
                      .And yet, an intelligent person who finds himself in unfamiliar conditions or a stressful situation may behave differently. , just the opposite. I have witnessed that
                      1. kalibr
                        20 December 2017 17: 13 New
                        +2
                        Namely Dmitry, exactly! That is why sociologists say that in order to achieve the level of culture of a society (certain), the life of 3 generations in STABLE conditions is needed. So that the songs do not appear - "I consider myself urban now ... but I dream of a village ... I can’t let go ...". That is, the descendants of yesterday’s slaves of the 1861 of the year could stop being them only in the 1961 (it’s clear + -). Everyone is truly smart only in his social environment. And until 5 years, he learns more about life than for the rest of his life!
                    2. kalibr
                      20 December 2017 17: 08 New
                      0
                      The percentage of 80 and 20 is in any case maintained.
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 22 December 2017 13: 29 New
                0
                Quote: Curious
                You develop technological instructions for the production of ... crayfish in the modern sense. Your benefits contribute to the latest technology. I am.
              3. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 22 December 2017 13: 33 New
                0
                Oh, I can’t believe it, Victor! Your untruth! Say in vain! Idea benefits? Idea latest technology?
  24. kalibr
    18 December 2017 18: 50 New
    +2
    Pancir026,
    There was such a textbook History of the CPSU - it was our handbook + PSS of Lenin, collections of Plenums and congresses. What can be yours here?
  25. kalibr
    18 December 2017 18: 55 New
    +2
    Pancir026,
    "Involuntarily betraying" ... how ridiculous to read it ... You apparently did not study at the Higher School in Soviet times, forgot what textbook you used in the history of the CPSU? What could be contributed to it?
  26. Operator
    Operator 18 December 2017 19: 58 New
    +1
    kalibr - You are not fundamentally right in your uncompromising classification of people as fools / not fools.

    The level of human stupidity is determined immediately by several parameters:
    - intelligence;
    - memory;
    - intuition;
    - a warehouse of character (humanitarian, engineering or scientific)
    - emotionality;
    - knowledge;
    - culture.

    It is possible to have a high IQ, but not to finish high school (in view of its absence) and not to have elementary knowledge from physics, chemistry, and mathematics. Until recently (the spread of the Internet) memory was valued so as not to rummage through the libraries for each sneeze.

    Serial killers with low intelligence will give 100 points of odds to any intellectual in terms of intuition, and some humanities with a high IQ in the field of history will be baffled in a natural science dispute with a bot with a high IQ in the field of particle physics (and vice versa).

    Increased emotionality will not make it possible to systematically master any field of activity and develop one’s mental potential to the level of competitors, etc. etc.

    All of the above qualities (with the exception of knowledge and culture) are genetically embedded in a person and can only be improved / not improved. There are many times less smart (relative to other) people from birth than less smart, as well as excellent health, which stems from the biological law of Darwin's natural selection (which in human society is compensated by the mechanism of social support).

    But there is one “but” - in nature there is not a single biological individual that is absolutely developed in all respects (intelligence, memory, intuition, emotionality, character), all people are necessarily born with some one or more (and sometimes and all) flaws in the above.

    Plus age-related change (development / degradation) of the above qualities in humans.

    Therefore, your maximalist demand for your social environment to be always at the highest level in all respects suggests that you do not understand basic things in human biology and, therefore, about your insufficiently high level of intelligence laughing
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2017 21: 57 New
      +1
      You don’t see that everything is considered on a worldly level. And I have no maximum requirements ... very few - if that teacher hadn’t drunk and not gone to classes drunk, but would have gone - let them get fired. As they are firing now. And the example with the report about Mao, on the contrary, was a science to me - now I don’t give such tasks to students! Or is it good if the teacher does not know about the law of Archimedes? At least I have to hear ... So there is no higher level. There was no banal level, that’s the thing!
      1. Operator
        Operator 18 December 2017 22: 20 New
        +1
        What do you want from people just from plows and from the province? These are not their personal qualities (stupidity), but the general level of culture in our country until the beginning of the 21st century.

        You were randomly lucky (with your family and place of residence - the regional center), you grew up in a different cultural environment.

        Nothing follows from this - for example, I was even more lucky (with my family and place of residence - the capital of the state), so I am smarter than you? laughing
        1. kalibr
          19 December 2017 07: 57 New
          0
          Of course you are more fortunate. You had much more opportunities for self-development. And nobody knows what is in your head from nature. And I completely agree with you that differences in cultures are a terrible thing. Worse than the Arab and Chinese who met in the taiga.
          1. Operator
            Operator 19 December 2017 09: 09 New
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            Everything flows, everything changes - the universal accessibility of the Internet completely eliminates the difference in access to knowledge in the capital and the province, and universal education smooths out the difference in social origin.

            There remains a difference in culture (Christian European or Muslim Asian) and the natural abilities of each person (intelligence, intuition, memory, character, emotionality).
            If the first in theory is surmountable (the transition to European culture), then the second is not.

            Therefore, the pyramid of people that will be formed according to the intellectual level will always be preserved.
            1. kalibr
              19 December 2017 21: 31 New
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              Of course! This is me about the pyramid. But accessibility to the Internet is not everything ... You will see more live. I saw the Scythian treasures on the Web and in the photo, but live, in the Hermitage, it was completely different. In Moscow, in a museum you can stand in front of an exhibit, go around it ... On the Web ... you can’t get around. And the atmosphere is not the same. So Muscovites were more fortunate in terms of culture than we Penzyaks. I'm not talking about the archives and storerooms of the CA museum ...
  27. mar4047083
    mar4047083 18 December 2017 20: 18 New
    +3
    IN. allow a few comments. In the set for the glider was not plywood, but linden veneer, so you did not succeed. Do not worry, these products from DOSAF, in principle, could not help but fly and swim. I think so, you just wanted to instill skills to work, but did not scoff at all. The professor is also a man, it’s okay to relax (after all, not every day?) Unfortunately, you see your past mainly in black. You can add positive.
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2017 21: 48 New
      +1
      So I already wrote about positive a long time ago. It is impossible to repeat. Or write: in the article .... for was positive. Now is the negative. One is mixed with the other. In this case, there was a story about ... and then not about everyone ... Just as an indicator of how specific people sometimes interfere with you. And someone around him helps.
  28. verner1967
    verner1967 18 December 2017 21: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Pancir026
    already overstepped?
    no, I had to enjoy this nonsense all my life. To go over, you must first be for some, and only then for others. So for those I have never been, because of my childhood.
  29. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 18 December 2017 21: 09 New
    +3
    Yes, about Cyprus it was better. Some kind of wall weeping about ruined Soviet childhood. Sorry, the cons were canceled.
  30. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 21: 46 New
    +5
    Mikado,
    Interestingly, did Caliber try it on? Well, according to GOST, what was before the seventies? Was it tasty even? Aw, comrade Shpakovsky!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 19 December 2017 00: 45 New
      +2
      ask a question directly wink maybe I tried! drinks
      1. kalibr
        19 December 2017 08: 11 New
        +2
        I tried, of course. The wife still recalls that "she wanted to eat." The current ... "you can eat." That’s “all the difference.” In 1968, after pneumonia, my mother brought me to Anapa. It was full of people, but ... in a cafe in the city center there were sandwiches with real black caviar. My daughter saved a can of black caviar from under the floor from an operation on the thyroid gland in 92. My granddaughter doesn’t even know her taste.
  31. kalibr
    18 December 2017 22: 33 New
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    verner1967,
    To someone who understood!
  32. Pushkar
    Pushkar 19 December 2017 00: 33 New
    +2
    The content of the article: "You are miserable and insignificant people, I despise you!" Panikovsky.
    1. kalibr
      19 December 2017 08: 12 New
      0
      Do you really come to the audience "under the shaf"?
  33. Amurets
    Amurets 19 December 2017 03: 38 New
    +5
    How to turn them with a knife and file into cuttings and towers, and remove all the roughness? Work for a Roman slave, not a fifth grade student.
    Was it weak to cut wooden cubes with a wooden file? No, this is not idleness. In this way, the plumbing teacher himself, in the past, the locksmith “put his hand,” for us fifth graders, so that we work properly with a file and would not do anything stupid when cutting ribs and dry wood. Because we were also taught this at school. I don’t make that time an ideal, like the education of that time. It’s just that the secondary schools of the 60s were polytechnical and in addition to general secondary education, they also gave an idea of ​​the profession and relationships in the teams that one would have to face in life. And no one said that the children are overloaded, that they need to relax. And we had the opportunity to start and engage in several circles, subsequently engaging in the one that you liked most. And most often we made the tool for ourselves, because we learned how to work on machines by labor, and we didn’t do trinkets, sharpen handles on files on wood lathes or sharpen workpieces or simple details for modelers. Therefore, I simply don’t agree with what we or surrounded by fools. We lived and studied surrounded by those people whom fate gave us and who helped us choose our direction in life. At that time: the 60s of the XX century there was no division into prestigious or not prestigious, but unfortunately it began to appear in 10 years
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 19 December 2017 10: 40 New
      +3
      Good afternoon, Nikolai. What a good story you got. Thank you.
  34. gaura
    gaura 19 December 2017 11: 25 New
    +1
    Crying Yaroslavna about how all pi .. stupid people, and I d'Artagnan!
    1. kalibr
      19 December 2017 21: 34 New
      0
      Not all, but some! Or do you approve of those who are described in the material and also tell the children about oak ships?
      1. gaura
        gaura 20 December 2017 05: 34 New
        +2
        I have to work with many stupid people. I am not building any tragedy out of this. I’m not seven spans in the forehead, and therefore I do not like to criticize people for this. And you stick out your pride. Comrade Stalin said that we must work with those who are
        1. kalibr
          20 December 2017 06: 56 New
          0
          Here with those who are and are working. And we are working successfully. But you need to know the specifics of each CA, the characteristics of generations and their mentality. Only then will this work be successful.
  35. kalibr
    19 December 2017 21: 50 New
    0
    avva2012,
    You see, doctor, the opinion of anonymous people does not bother me at all, whether they are Odysseys or Ava. Empty place. Neither he nor you can manage information and benefit from its dissemination. I can. Therefore, everything you write and people like him ... ultimately benefit me. So what is ashamed of? Your skill? This is skill, one must be proud of it. You see, I myself organized all this, that people act as planned and what to worry about? Or do you think this is all by chance? As one here writes "accidentally let slip ..." Naive, that's right. So doctor - treat people. And remember - the Internet is for your pleasure. I work in it.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 20 December 2017 04: 07 New
      +1
      Is complacency over?
      1. kalibr
        20 December 2017 06: 54 New
        0
        It's strange how you perceive it when they tell you the truth.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 20 December 2017 07: 00 New
          +1
          Do you remember what this word means?
          1. kalibr
            20 December 2017 13: 43 New
            0
            And where do my materials contain inaccurate information? There is information and there is an opinion. The first is true if it is reliable, or at least based on publicly available sources. Opinion can be different and refers to the truth in a "relative way" - "that people walk on their feet and people walk on their hands."
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 21 December 2017 04: 25 New
              +1
              You, writing an article, do not express your opinion, but give information. The opinion may be true or false, and the information can be either reliable or false (pretentious).
              1. kalibr
                21 December 2017 07: 47 New
                0
                So what? You want to say that the characters from the material are invented? Have you ever met such people? And pretentiousness just refers to the author’s right - "as I see it." That's all! And "vision" ("angle of view") is included in the "opinion". Therefore, about false information is not necessary. And the opinion ... there can be any opinion - including about the presence of the Gimberborea and the great superethnos of the Russians.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 21 December 2017 08: 19 New
                  +1
                  I like to engage in sophistry, do it, only a lie, she wears clothes in different clothes, but the truth is always the same.
                  And the opinion ... there can be any opinion - including about the presence of the Gimberborea and the great superethnos of the Russians.

                  Why not? If there are no other symptoms, they say.
  36. kalibr
    20 December 2017 07: 00 New
    0
    3x3zsave,
    I am for it"!
  37. kalibr
    21 December 2017 12: 14 New
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    Quote: avva2012
    only a lie, she wears clothes in different clothes, but the truth is always the same.

    Beautiful words of a near man!

    Do you remember what this word means? - And this is not sophistry, to answer a question with a question? You can, but I can’t? Ha!