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The United States has already won two world wars. Who is bigger?

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The historian told how the United States won two world wars. Mr Trump, who had previously reported this, was right. So says Stanislav Kulchitsky.



The American nation won two world wars!


Donald Trump was right when he said that the United States had won two world wars, cites the opinion of the Institute’s Chief Researcher stories Ukraine Stanislav Kulchitsky website "InoTV" with reference to the material "Observer".

Kulchitsky said the following about American winner, which Trump had previously spoken about, “If this statement from [Trump] is viewed in such an extended context, where various events of several centuries are listed, separated by a comma, then there is nothing terrible here.”

“Indeed,” the historian added, “this is the nation that won the First World War, and here the USA also did not make a decisive contribution,” as a matter of fact, France and Germany, Austria and Russia fought, but at the last stage of the war the United States crushed Germans and their material resources, and expeditionary corps. "

The “last stage” mentioned, apparently, manifested itself in World War II. The United States "actually did little with its troops on the European front, only after the opening of the second front," the historian admits. True, "in other theaters of war they fought for real, nothing can be said here." The role of the USA in other places was great, and the role of American technology was especially great, because "the fighting went on in other European countries." “Churchill talked about other theaters of war, in Africa, Asia, Oceania, and even in the Arctic,” the scientist recalled. - This war really was a world war. And the role of the United States, especially in terms of financial and technical power, is very large. "

Finally, the United States provided technical assistance to the Soviet Army. For example, US6 "Studebaker" trucks, which "moved almost all Soviet artillery." In addition, the United States supplied non-ferrous metals to the USSR.

“The Americans provided everything the Soviet Army needed,” Kulchitsky summed up. And he concluded: “After the war there was such a tendency that exists in Russia to this day: to minimize the help of the allies and maximize the contribution of the Soviet Army to liberating Europe from fascism, although freeing Europe from fascism, the Soviet Army conquered it for communism”.

This historian, we note, made his loud historical discovery not from scratch. He supported Mr. Trump, a great friend and small sponsor of Kiev.

Mr Trump reported earlier about the Americans: “We the people who dug the Panama Canal, won two world wars, sent a man to the moon and put communism on their knees.”

Historian Kulchitsky left to perpetuate the speech of Donald Trump in some new historical work. After all, a colleague. The Americans dug the Panama Canal, and what Ukrainian historians dug? Seems like some kind of sea?

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  2. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 13 December 2017 07: 52
    11
    Donald Trump was right when he said that the United States won two world wars, cites the opinion of the chief researcher at the Institute of History of Ukraine, Stanislav Kulchitsky, the InoTV website, citing material from the Observer.

    Do not pay attention to the statement of all CRAZY from "tseEuropa"! stop They have been there for a long time - "iodine deficiency" is observed! yes
    PS Hour of Truth! In the original, the Pythagorean theorem states: "The sum of the squares of the lengths of the Maidan lands is equal to the square of the length of the peremogi." PS Biography too short, forgot to clarify that before visa-free travel to Italy, Pythagoras collected strawberries for several years in ancient Poland!

    laughing laughing laughing
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 13 December 2017 08: 01
      +4
      It is a pity that Trump has not thought of the victory over Napoleon to ascribe to the United States. But it seems that this will not be the case. lol
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 December 2017 08: 12
        +1
        The United States has already won two world wars. Who is bigger?
        I already mentioned that only Poland and France are "more powerful" .... laughing
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 13 December 2017 08: 31
          15
          Donald Trump was right when he said that the United States won two world wars
          If we consider it not militarily, but financially, economically, then of course the United States did not suffer any damage, but enriched most of all. To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear! Trading at the same time with all countries, including the enemy, the USA incredibly developed its industry and became a super power. By the way, it was the war that helped the United States push through the Bretonwood Agreements in 1944 and make the dollar a settlement world currency.
          Therefore, all world wars were evil for all, and for the United States - a blessing.
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 13 December 2017 08: 41
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            If we consider it not militarily, but financially, economically, then of course the United States did not suffer any damage, but enriched most of all.

            Then the question sounds completely different: "Who won from the first and second world wars?" And THE WINNER PEOPLE - THE SOVIET PEOPLE and the winner country - THE SOVIET UNION!
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 13 December 2017 08: 59
              +1
              Finally, the United States provided technical assistance to the Soviet Army. For example, US6 "Studebaker" trucks, which "moved almost all Soviet artillery." In addition, the United States supplied non-ferrous metals to the USSR.

              The "historian" forgot to add - they delivered and received GOLD for this !!! hi
              1. Warrior with machine gun
                Warrior with machine gun 13 December 2017 11: 22
                +2
                such historians and their “labors” need to be heated, even though it will be of some use, strange autumn is already over, and schizos will not calm down.
          2. dzuar saubarag
            dzuar saubarag 13 December 2017 10: 27
            +2
            In principle, everything is true. At least in Russian, the words “win” and “win” are not completely synonymous. And the USA of the two world wars really won more than all combined - both the “booming 20s” and the formation of the American superpower in the 50s are a direct consequence of this gain. But the winner gets wounds, severe wounds that need to be healed and at the same time to prepare for a new battle with such "winners". Inevitably, you will begin to believe in conspiracy theories about the true causes of the Great War ...
            1. medvedron
              medvedron 13 December 2017 11: 16
              0
              I totally agree, the Americans, as always, expose the half-truth as the truth. The most important thing for us, the inhabitants of the country that made the most serious contribution to the defeat of the Germans in the first and the victory over the Nazis in the Second World Wars, is not to forget about this.
        2. volodya
          volodya 13 December 2017 08: 49
          0
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          The United States has already won two world wars. Who is bigger?
          I already mentioned that only Poland and France are "more powerful" .... laughing

          Specialists compose fairy tales!
      2. Berber
        Berber 13 December 2017 09: 00
        +2
        So the British have already attributed it to themselves. The Battle of Waterloo was declared the main battle, although if it were not for the battle of Leipzig that the Russians had won, Waterloo would have lost.
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 13 December 2017 11: 04
        0
        USA among the winners and the monetary contribution to the Victory --- FIRST PLACE
        this is their sincere coordinate system - by the number of dough.
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 13 December 2017 11: 37
      +3
      PS Hour of Truth!

      I will say more, the truth is not yet open to the people:
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 14 December 2017 02: 42
      +2
      Donald Trump was right when he said that the United States won two world wars

      Apparently, he remembered his youth, and, as Obama, he "smokes" before the performance ...
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 13 December 2017 07: 52
    +3
    ABOUT LAND-LYS.MY, PAYING THIS TECHNIQUE GOLD, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN RETURNED, BROWSING TO THE CONDITION OF NEW. AND THEY AS USUALLY - MUCH MUCH.

    http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/1298624/post1631
    00973? Aid_refresh = yes

    Something like this... what
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 December 2017 07: 53
      12
      Of course, Studder’s car is good, but it didn’t win the war, but the whole Soviet people and their invincible Red Army under the leadership of I.V. Stalin!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 13 December 2017 08: 03
        +1
        Studder car is good, but she didn’t win the war,

        Currently, Russia owes US $ 100 million for Lend-Lease deliveries.


        We won this war but still owe the Americans a land lease ...
        what so who then benefited from this war in the long run ??? ... what
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 December 2017 08: 26
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Of course, Studder’s car is good, but it didn’t win the war, but the whole Soviet people and their invincible Red Army under the leadership of I.V. Stalin!

        we must remember that the USSR paid for everything in gold, and after the war it returned what was left. to a screw. and then, it all went under the press.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 13 December 2017 08: 39
          +5
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          to cog

          I remember how Dad swore, handing over Studders, collecting keys, shovels, buckets and other crap!
        2. Nasrat
          Nasrat 13 December 2017 08: 59
          +2
          Quote: Andrew Y.

          we must remember that the USSR paid for everything in gold, and after the war it returned what was left. to a screw. and then, it all went under the press.

          So many times they have discussed the theme of Lend-Lease and still write memorized templates - they paid with gold, they all turned in under the press and returned - well, this is not completely true !!! I don’t want to argue, there is no time ..
          Thank you for the Lend-Lease Americans ... How many talked (at one time!) With veterans, how many read their memories - they always said thanks for the Lend-Lease.

          This list shows deliveries to the USSR until September 30, 1945

          Aircraft 14 795
          Tanks 7 056
          Passenger all-terrain vehicles 51 503
          Trucks 375 883
          35 170 Motorcycle
          Tractors 8 071
          Rifle 8 218
          Automatic weapons 131 633
          Pistols 12 997
          Explosives 345 735 tons
          Dynamite 70 million pounds
          Gunpowder 127 000 tons
          TNT 271 million pounds
          Toluene 237 million pounds
          903 detonators 000
          Building Equipment $ 10 910 000
          Commodity wagons 11 155
          Locomotive 1 981
          90 CARGO SHIP
          105 anti-submarine ships
          Torpedo 197
          445 radars
          Engines for ships 7 784
          Food stocks 4 478 000 tons
          Machinery and equipment $ 1 078 965 000
          Non-ferrous metals 802 000 tons
          Petroleum products 2 670 000 tons
          Chemical 842 000 tons
          Cotton 106 893 000 tons
          Leather 49 860 tons
          Tire 3 786 000
          Army boots 15 417 000 pairs
          1 541 590 Blankets
          Alcohol 331 066 L
          Buttons 257 723 498 pcs.

          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 13 December 2017 09: 10
            +2
            Marshal Zhukov in post-war conversations said:

            Quote:
            Now they say that the Allies never helped us ... But it cannot be denied that the Americans drove so many materials without which we could not build up our reserves and could not continue the war ... We did not have explosives, gunpowder. There was nothing to equip rifle cartridges. The Americans really helped us out with gunpowder, explosives. And how much they drove us to sheet steel! How could we quickly set up tank production if it weren’t for American steel help? And now they present the matter in such a way that we had all of this in abundance. - From the report of the chairman of the KGB to V. Semichastny - to N. S. Khrushchev; signature stamp “top secret” // Zenkovich N. Ya. Marshals and general secretaries. M., 1997.S. 161

            Highly appreciated the role of Lend-Lease and A.I. Mikoyan, during the war, he was responsible for the work of seven Union People’s Commissariats (trade, procurement, food, fish and meat and dairy industries, sea transport and the river fleet) and, as the People’s Commissar for Foreign Trade, since 1942, he led the reception of allied Lend-Lease supplies:

            Quote:
            - ... when the American stew, the oatmeal, egg powder, flour, other products began to arrive at us, what immediately significant additional calories our soldiers received! And not only the soldiers: something was falling to the rear. Or take the supply of cars. After all, we received, as far as I remember, taking into account losses in the way of about 400 thousand first-class cars of the time, such as Studebaker, Ford, passenger Willis and amphibians. Our entire army was actually on wheels and what wheels! As a result, its maneuverability increased and the pace of advance significantly increased.
            - G. Kumanev “Stalin's People's Commissars Speak,” p. 70— Smolensk: Rusich, 2005

            Here is Mikoyan:

            Quote:
            “Now it’s easy to say that Lend-Lease meant nothing. He ceased to be of great importance much later. But in the fall of 1941, we all lost, and if it were not for Lend-Lease, not weapons, food, warm clothes for the army and other supplies, the question is how things would turn out ”(Berezhkov V.M. How I became a translator of Stalin. M., 1993.S. 337)
            -------
            Digital data confirming the above statements by Zhukov and Mikoyan can be found in the studies of I.P. Lebedev 2) who writes: “During the war, the USSR received 18 (according to other sources, 700) planes from the Allies to help with Lend-Lease, including fighter jets,“ aerocobra ”,“ kitty-hawk ”,“ tomahawk ”,“ hurricane ” ", medium bombers B-22, A-200 Boston, transport C-25, 20 tanks and self-propelled guns, 47 thousand kilometers of telephone wire, 12 million phones; 200 million pairs of boots, more than 100 thousand tons of leather for sewing shoes, 2,5 thousand meters of wool, 15 thousand tons of stew, 50 thousand tons of fat, 54 thousand tons of cow butter, 250 thousand tons of sugar, 300 steam locomotives, 65 wheeled tanks, 700 electro-diesel locomotives, about a thousand self-unloading wagons, 1860 thousand railway platforms, which with their help delivered 100 thousand tons of explosives, almost 70 million tons of oil products, and another 10 million tons of special steel to the front and rear for armor, 344 thousand tons of copper and bronze, 2 thousand tons of aluminum. According to specialists, it was possible to build 2,5 thousand fighters and bombers out of this aluminum - almost as many as our aircraft factories produced them throughout the war "(I. Lebedev 400)
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 13 December 2017 13: 40
              +4
              Quote: Nasr
              Marshal Zhukov in post-war conversations said: ... We did not have explosives, gunpowder. There was nothing to equip rifle cartridges. The Americans really helped us out with gunpowder, explosives.

              You bring the numbers yourself
              Quote: Nasr
              Dynamite 70 million pounds
              Gunpowder 127 tons
              and this is a drop in the ocean from the spent. And then citing Zhukov’s remarks, you omit the fact that it was Zhukov who said that without Land Liz we would certainly have managed, but it would have been more difficult.
              Quote: Nasr
              250 thousand tons of aluminum. According to specialists, it was possible to build 100 thousand fighters and bombers out of this aluminum - almost as many as our aircraft plants produced them during the entire war ”(I. Lebedev 1)

              Fortune telling on coffee grounds? What could be built! By the way, delta wood was used in the manufacture of aircraft during the war. It seems that you are diligently trying to create the background that the Americans did everything for us.
              All of your figures are struggling with a real balanced assessment of how much American aid amounted to the total spent. According to various estimates, this is not more than 5%, TOTAL! That is, it must be said correctly that the Americans helped us only by 5%. For reliability, I will give you a reference:
              The official historical assessment of the role of Lend-Lease was given by the Chairman of the State Planning Commission, Nikolai Voznesensky, in his book "The Military Economy of the USSR during the Patriotic War", published in 1948:

              ... if we compare the size of supplies of industrial goods by the Allies in the USSR to the size of industrial production at the socialist enterprises of the USSR for the same period, it turns out that the share of these supplies in relation to domestic production during the war economy will be only about 4%.

              Have you read? Now you can further surprise us with your numbers, how many thousands, tons, and pieces have your Americans delivered!
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 13 December 2017 13: 52
                0
                Quote: Stas157
                The official historical assessment of the role of Lend-Lease was given by the Chairman of the State Planning Commission, Nikolai Voznesensky, in his book "The Military Economy of the USSR during the Patriotic War", published in 1948:
                ... if we compare the size of supplies of industrial goods by the Allies in the USSR to the size of industrial production at the socialist enterprises of the USSR for the same period, it turns out that the share of these supplies in relation to domestic production during the war economy will be only about 4%.
                Have you read? Now you can further surprise us with your numbers, how many thousands, tons, and pieces have your Americans delivered!




                Well, is it possible to suspect Comrade Voznesensky of wanting to belittle the role of the land lease ....
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 13 December 2017 14: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  Well, is it possible to suspect Comrade Voznesensky of wanting to belittle the role of the land lease ....

                  Ascension is not.
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 13 December 2017 14: 32
                    0
                    Your false patriotism makes it difficult to think rationally ... why pay for 4% of the volume of domestic production abroad? Wouldn’t it be easier to channel these funds into production and would the return be much more efficient? yes And taking into account transportation costs, Stalin is still doing wasteful work !!! wassat

                    On September 3, 1941, in a personal message to the Prime Minister, Mr. Churchill, he wrote: "I thank you for the promise, in addition to the promised 200 fighter planes, to sell another 200 fighters to the Soviet Union. I have no doubt that Soviet pilots will be able to master them and put them into action." In December 1943, at a gala dinner in honor of the end of the Tehran Conference, Stalin, standing with a glass of wine and turning to Roosevelt, once again emphasized: "Without American help, we could not defeat the enemies." He at the Yalta Conference (February 4-11, 1945) said that "in his opinion ... Lend-Lease is a great invention without which victory would have been different ", adding that "in previous wars, some states provided financial assistance to their allies, but it only insulted those who received it and created financial difficulties. Lend-Lease did not give rise to such evil.", once again emphasizing that, in his opinion Lend-Lease made an extraordinary contribution to the victory. "
                    We only note that all decisions on rendering assistance to the Soviet Union were made shortly after he was expelled from the League of Nations as an aggressor who attacked Finland.
                    ----
                    Stalin:. Lend-Lease is a great invention without which victory would have been different " More Soviet citizens would die and the territories captured by the enemy would be much wider, which means that it would have to restore the country longer and more expensive .....
                    1. Nasrat
                      Nasrat 13 December 2017 14: 37
                      0
                      In December 1941 - the first half of 1942, when the Soviet Union evacuated industrial enterprises to the east, American supplies were vital. Until June 30, 1942, the United States sent 1300 aircraft, more than 2000 tanks, 16500 trucks, 15000 assault rifles, radio stations and field phones. Equally important at this time were the supply of machine tools and equipment for factories producing military equipment (tanks, planes), ammunition, uniforms, food ...
                      ----
                      A public opinion poll in the United States in August 1941 showed that more than 70% of the country's inhabitants supported the Soviet Union and the transfer of military materials to it. Public and charitable organizations came to the rescue: the “Russian War War Relief” Committee, which had about 400 branches in the country, the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, the American Red Cross Society, The American Federation of Labor and the Congress of Industrial Unions, and the Jewish organization of New York, Ambidjan (AMBIJAN), marched over 500 children from the Serebryany Bor Bor orphanage in the Stalingrad Region. They raised funds to buy and send parcels with food, clothes, shoes, and medicines. The scale of humanitarian assistance was impressive. In 1943 alone, more than ten million Americans gave their savings in favor of the USSR, and during the war years, the US population, among whom there were many Jews, including those collected during the trip of S. Mikhoels and I. Fefer, transferred more than $ 20 million to the Soviet Union . In addition, more than eight million dollars were raised by the Jewish Council for Russian Military Assistance.
                      1. Stas157
                        Stas157 13 December 2017 14: 50
                        +4
                        Quote: Nasr
                        Until June 30, 1942, the United States sent 1300 aircraft, more than 2000 tanks, 16500 trucks, 15000 assault rifles

                        You can’t calm down, show the numbers.)) Calmly accept your file.
                        Quote: Nasr
                        In December 1941 - the first half of 1942, when the Soviet Union evacuated industrial enterprises to the east, American supplies proved vital.

                        I agree, but the lion's share of US supplies came in 43-44 years when a radical turning point in the war occurred! I already wrote this below in the comment you can see. Therefore, when supplies were most needed, there were few of them. Do not exaggerate the importance of American assistance. Why are you trying so hard? You are wrong!
                  2. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 13 December 2017 14: 59
                    0
                    I didn’t say anywhere that the Americans won the war, but the fact that they really helped us is true and thank you for the help ... Help was really important, look at the chronicle of 43-45 years - Studebakers run everywhere, Willis, Pokryshkin on the aerocobra became a hero of the USSR - and there is nothing shameful about it ... The army acquired a motorized look, otherwise it would have gone on horseback to Berlin, (thanks to the Mongols for the conics)

                    Yes, for the money, no one else in the world helped us so important (they just didn’t have this “important” thing — take the same Mongols), all the more so since we still haven’t paid for the Lend-Lease ..
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 13 December 2017 15: 16
                      +3
                      Quote: Nasr
                      and thanks for the help I have to say ...

                      Do not. Nobody forced them to this. There was no mercy and kindness in their motivation. They did this from completely mercantile motives (both for money and gold, including). The USSR fought for them with the Germans. And then, precisely because the United States linked its supplies to the Soviet attack on Japan, the USSR defeated the invincible Kwantung Army, which the United States never managed to cope with during the entire war. The USSR paid with the lives of 12 thousand soldiers in the war with the Japanese. Let the Americans say thanks! Because people's lives are much more expensive than any material values.
                      1. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 13 December 2017 15: 22
                        0
                        We are the same in Syria not because of mercy and kindness !!! Everyone has their own interests ... Now, the interests with the USA are different - try to agree with them on something similar ...
                        PS
                        I talked with veterans (I had to go to the Veterans Council) many years ago - they always said thanks for the Lend-Lease .. And their shoes were praised and the stew .. and the drivers were enthusiastic about the car .. But you know better, you wake them up more patriotic!
  4. bagr69
    bagr69 13 December 2017 07: 52
    0
    Exceptional arrogant ignoramuses.
  5. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 13 December 2017 07: 53
    +4
    Well, yes, and by the number of dividends recovered, yes, they definitely won.
  6. Moore
    Moore 13 December 2017 08: 02
    +1
    Well, if the lop-eared chubby warriors in trousers won the Trojan War, why now, in their farm mythology, the masters did not win two world ones?
  7. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 13 December 2017 08: 06
    0
    Conscience there and does not smell!
  8. Masya masya
    Masya masya 13 December 2017 08: 07
    +3
    opinion of the chief researcher of the Institute of History of Ukraine Stanislav Kulchitsky

    And what is there to discuss? From him is the same historian as from the waste of life-bullet ...
    What can we build a house?
    Draw, we will live ...
  9. Stoler
    Stoler 13 December 2017 08: 16
    0
    Interesting in this "historian" language, three-layer like Zeva toilet paper. Just perfect for American # OPU! laughing
  10. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 13 December 2017 08: 21
    +1
    It seems like a craze for bad mushrooms ... I do not see other explanations of dill hi
  11. Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 December 2017 08: 49
    0
    Well, they are severely guys there .. Americans, too, from the great UKRO probably went))))
  12. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 13 December 2017 08: 51
    0
    If it weren’t for the USSR, then Hitler, after the capture of Europe, hypothetically Russia, North Africa, the Middle East, would have turned his eyes to the United States overseas .... the Yankees in a different scenario at the theater of operations would have tried to appease Germany and would never have got involved in a war .
  13. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 13 December 2017 08: 51
    10
    Author: Igor Romanovich
    "The United States brought China to its knees, and for a long time ..."

    Stalin cleared his throat and continued:

    - So, citizen Trump, you said that in September 480 BC, George Washington, at the head of a detachment of three hundred US Marines, made significant progress in the fight against King Xerxes, stopping his army at Thermopylae?

    Trump sighed and glanced fearfully at the stout bearded man in a red coat and helmet with a large crest sitting in the front row. He expressively ran a short sword through his throat and winked at Trump, clearly hinting at something bad. He's probably from CNN, Donald thought anxiously.

    Stalin continued to read the transcript.

    - You also said that in 335 BC, the phalanges of the US National Guard brought Thebes to their knees, after which they conquered Asia Minor, Egypt, the Persian Empire and would have conquered everything if Zeus’s son Abraham Lincoln weren’t tired and decided not to return to native Kentucky.

    There was a bit of fuss in the hall - a bearded man with a comb tried to take a spear from a jumping up young man in a golden helmet in the shape of a lion’s head, saying: “No, Sasha, but not here.”

    Joseph Vissarionovich disapprovingly tapped the carafe with his pipe, urging everyone to order.

    - Further, the American nation continued to lead and inspire all of humanity, establishing the Roman Empire, along the fields of which General Grant walked, tracing his palm over ripe ears of wheat.

    There was a loud slap in the hall. Everyone turned around. A man in a toga and in a golden wreath sat, covering his eyes with his hand, shaking his head and muttering something in Latin.

    Stalin glanced reproachfully and continued:

    - In 1213, the U.S. Army Airborne Horde captured a passage in the Great Wall of China, which the Americans had built earlier, after which it brought China and Central Asia to its knees, and then ... Comrade Genghis Khan, I ask you not to interrupt - what were you hanging around Citizen Trump, you will tell him after the meeting. Especially since I'm already finishing.

    “Then the Americans won the Thirty Years' War, the First World War and, what I especially liked, the Second World War when Sergeant Brad Pitt and Captain Tom Hanks hoisted a star-striped flag over the defeated Reichstag.” Did I miss anything, Citizen Trump?

    “They flew to the moon ...” Trump said and involuntarily blushed.

    Stalin got up and drew his jacket.

    - Comrades, there was a proposal to shoot citizen Trump for a lie on an especially large scale and the theft of someone else's historical property. Please vote. Who agrees?

    Hundreds of hands soared into the air.

    The two Chekists firmly took Trump by the arms and dragged him somewhere.

    He rested, demanded to convene the UN Security Council, and then dodged and kicked a security officer on a chrome boot.

    - Dear, do not kick! - the Chekist answered in a sleepy female voice, and Donald woke up in horror.

    He looked at the sleeping Melania, with a shaking hand wiped cold sweat from his forehead and smiled - it was just a dream. He still remained the leader of a great nation that defeated all Jurassic dinosaurs.
  14. Fitratovich
    Fitratovich 13 December 2017 09: 01
    0
    The Panama Canal was dug)))) Ukrainians generally dug the Black Sea
  15. sgr291158
    sgr291158 13 December 2017 09: 15
    0
    Helping and winning are two completely different things.
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 December 2017 09: 17
    0
    Everything is natural. Lies, moreover frank and arrogant, the robbery of other countries, the desire for hegemony lasts in the United States almost since the founding of this country. I won’t be surprised if tomorrow the Balts on the blue eye declare that they defeated the USSR. And who, if not the Ukrainian "historian" to support Trump? Their (Ukrainian) historical events are even more saturated and full of "victories" than American ones.
  17. Loess
    Loess 13 December 2017 09: 29
    12
    That's something like
  18. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 13 December 2017 09: 42
    +1
    Quote: Nasr
    Quote: Andrew Y.

    we must remember that the USSR paid for everything in gold, and after the war it returned what was left. to a screw. and then, it all went under the press.

    So many times they have discussed the theme of Lend-Lease and still write memorized templates - they paid with gold, they all turned in under the press and returned - well, this is not completely true !!! I don’t want to argue, there is no time ..
    Thank you for the Lend-Lease Americans ... How many talked (at one time!) With veterans, how many read their memories - they always said thanks for the Lend-Lease.

    This list shows deliveries to the USSR until September 30, 1945

    Aircraft 14 795
    Tanks 7 056
    Passenger all-terrain vehicles 51 503
    Trucks 375 883
    35 170 Motorcycle
    Tractors 8 071
    Rifle 8 218
    Automatic weapons 131 633
    Pistols 12 997
    Explosives 345 735 tons
    Dynamite 70 million pounds
    Gunpowder 127 000 tons
    TNT 271 million pounds
    Toluene 237 million pounds
    903 detonators 000
    Building Equipment $ 10 910 000
    Commodity wagons 11 155
    Locomotive 1 981
    90 CARGO SHIP
    105 anti-submarine ships
    Torpedo 197
    445 radars
    Engines for ships 7 784
    Food stocks 4 478 000 tons
    Machinery and equipment $ 1 078 965 000
    Non-ferrous metals 802 000 tons
    Petroleum products 2 670 000 tons
    Chemical 842 000 tons
    Cotton 106 893 000 tons
    Leather 49 860 tons
    Tire 3 786 000
    Army boots 15 417 000 pairs
    1 541 590 Blankets
    Alcohol 331 066 L
    Buttons 257 723 498 pcs.


    In the store, we also say: Thank you stop . But for retailers, this is just a business for profit, not humane incentives recourse
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 13 December 2017 10: 55
      +1
      Stupidity multiplied by two !!! On finances - we still haven’t paid off on a lend-lease ... So, when you “go” from hunger, ask for groceries in installments in the store for seventy years ..
      And our soldiers ate stew and thought it was very humane !!! and there was something to fight (tanks, planes, small arms) - and this was also considered humanity !!! And they brought in ammunition, humane Studebakers and locomotives from the USA !!! "Katyusha" and they stood on humane American cars !!! Teams were given on humane phones and wires from the USA !!! Industry humanely built tanks and planes on American machine tools, American cutting tools made of steel and alloys from humane land lease ..
      The facts cannot be denied ..
      1. Veteran
        Veteran 13 December 2017 19: 45
        +3
        Regarding payment of debt under the Lend-Lease, you have outdated information. In 1993, after the announcement of the continuity of the Russian Federation to USSR debts, these debts were technically divided into debts to governments (Paris Club) and debts to private banks (London Club); debt for Lend-Lease was a debt to the US government, that is, part of the debt to the Paris Club. Russia completely repaid its debt to the Paris Club in August 2006, i.e. paid, including, and a loan under the Lend-Lease.
  19. Sars
    Sars 13 December 2017 09: 59
    +1
    Trump could add that before winning two world wars, America (people from America) had two world wars, which earned a good gesheft. Could name exactly these people.
  20. vnord
    vnord 13 December 2017 11: 01
    0
    In fact, the Second World War was won by the USSR with the support of the Allies (without it was harder and with great damage in material and human terms), and now throw stones at me - as a result of the war (like the First World War) the United States won, ("jumping into the last tram the bandwagon .. "). Therefore, Trump is not cunning here ..
  21. Altona
    Altona 13 December 2017 11: 10
    +2

    I always thought that Europe will never give up fascism and Nazism.
  22. Altona
    Altona 13 December 2017 11: 13
    0
    Quote: vnord
    In fact, the Second World War was won by the USSR with the support of the Allies

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    Lend-lease deliveries were especially critical between the end of 1941 and the whole of 1942. Further, the role of Lend-Lease is not so big. We all poke mainly armored steel and jet fuel. It’s supposedly faster to assemble tanks from the finished sheet than to make the desired steel melts and roll the sheet. Well, also the famous Spam stew, which was already half soy protein already.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 December 2017 14: 00
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Lend-lease deliveries were especially critical between the end of 1941 and the whole of 1942. Further, the role of Lend-Lease is not so big.

      Yes, it was during this period that deliveries were most important. But, we must admit that supplies were very unevenly distributed over the years of the war. And the lion's share of them occurred in 43-44 years, that is, when a turning point in the war had already occurred. In the most difficult year of 41, there were almost no deliveries, and in the year 42 there were fewer than 43 or 44.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 13 December 2017 15: 42
        0
        In the Council of People's Commissars only by October 1941 they decided what was needed ... when the first Lend-Lease protocol was signed ... by July 1942 - the supply chain was established ... and they managed to get ready for the Stalingrad battle ...

        Before the lend-lease until October 1941 — deliveries were made, they were paid in gold — it was difficult to say specifically what was needed in the first place because of the prevailing difficult situation at the front, because there were few deliveries ... yes, and there were no political agreements ..
    2. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 13 December 2017 15: 49
      +1
      1. Pay attention to the number of explosives supplied by Lend-Lease, derived materials for their production + industrial equipment.
      2. Then go to the number of delivered radio stations, field phones, cable.
      3. Then we find out the number of delivered vehicles (primarily trucks), locomotives and wagons (in passing, learning about the state of the domestic railway fleet by the middle of the 43rd and the rate of its renewal).
      Finally, we think about the role of a) ammunition; b) communication; c) transport in conducting large-scale offensive operations of the Red Army of 1943-44.
      Will you try? With numbers specific, they are no secret.
  23. Altona
    Altona 13 December 2017 15: 58
    +2
    Quote: Ryazanets87
    Will you try? With numbers specific, they are no secret.

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    Why is this all? Here's how to discuss the land lease, so almost every phone and matchbox is starting to count. And how to discuss brilliant Jews, it turns out that Landau and Ginzburg created by themselves, without expensive laboratories, uranium mines and other such “little bit important” garbage. As for the offensive operations and the “role” of Lend-Lease vehicles, the letter of the grandfather, who was marching in the 380 Red Banner Rifle Division, eloquently speaks. He wrote that they were tired of going. And about the "role" of Lend-Lease phones, it is eloquent in the award sheet of the medal "For Courage" that it was written with personal initiative that he helped organize the crossing to force the Dnieper. Therefore, numbers are numbers, and war is war.
  24. thinker
    thinker 13 December 2017 16: 00
    0
    American historian S. Terkeli "The good war: An Oral History of World War II »
    Almost the whole world during this war experienced terrible upheavals, horrors and was almost destroyed. We came out of the war with incredible equipment, tools, labor and money. For most Americans, war was fun... I am not talking about those unfortunates who have lost their sons and daughters. However for everyone else it was a damn good time
  25. zelenii75
    zelenii75 13 December 2017 17: 59
    0
    Excuse me .... A chapel? Also they ruined ??? sad
  26. Sergey53
    Sergey53 13 December 2017 20: 50
    0
    "The US has already won two world wars. Who is more?" The question is not correct in essence, since “AN ANCIENT EUROPEAN state called UKRAINE could win more.