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Sofia turned to Russia for the repair of the Bulgarian Air Force MiG-29

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Bulgarian authorities have asked the Russian MiG Aircraft Corporation to overhaul and service the 15 MiG-29 fighters, the country's defense ministry said on Monday.


The proposed transaction in the amount of 81,3 million leva (49 million dollars) is designed for four years, reports Reuters with reference to the military.

Sofia turned to Russia for the repair of the Bulgarian Air Force MiG-29


As noted in the application for state procurement, the repair of fighters is necessary because of the "exceptional importance of national security and defense of the country", as well as the "uninterrupted execution of tasks on <...> Bulgaria’s international obligations to protect NATO airspace."

Aircraft MiG-29 - the main fighter, which carries continuous combat duty for these tasks.
- stated in the application.

The Soviet cars, as it was reported, demanded a deep modernization, which would cost no less than the new aircraft. True, Bulgaria had previously refused to involve Russia in repairing the MiGs, preferring Poland. In the MiG, they said that in this case they would refuse to provide technical assistance to the Bulgarian side.

According to the documents, we are talking about 15 fighters - 12 single MiG-29A and three combat training MiG-29UB.

MiG-29 fighters were put into service by the Bulgarian army at the end of the 1980s. In 2015, the authorities of Bulgaria, contrary to the protests of RAC MiG, agreed to repair the engines of six MiG-29 in Poland.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 11 December 2017 20: 09 New
    +7
    You can repair it. The main thing is that they would not end up in ruins ..
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 11 December 2017 20: 13 New
      16
      Quote: 210ox
      You can repair it. The main thing is that they would not end up in ruins ..

      And the ruin is here what side? Reason triumphed among Bulgarian politicians, pressed very hard! hi
      1. 210ox
        210ox 11 December 2017 20: 19 New
        12
        I say this because we know how little brothers behave. A shout from overseas and they will begin to play tricks.
        Quote: kapitan92
        Quote: 210ox
        You can repair it. The main thing is that they would not end up in ruins ..

        And the ruin is here what side? Reason triumphed among Bulgarian politicians, pressed very hard! hi
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 11 December 2017 20: 24 New
          13
          Quote: 210ox
          I say this because we know how little brothers behave. A shout from overseas and they will begin to play tricks.

          They already pokralesili. The resource is almost exhausted, the Bulgarian flyers refused to fly on them. In Poland, the former deputies of the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria made a lot of money and are now under investigation.
          Let's wait and see! Yes, and paid work for the plant does not hurt. hi
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 11 December 2017 20: 30 New
            23
            As noted in the application for public procurement, the repair of fighter jets is necessary because of the "paramount importance of national security and national defense", as well as “Uninterrupted fulfillment of tasks on <...> Bulgaria’s international obligations to protect NATO airspace”.
            Maybe you should not take this order of Russia from Bulgaria? The situation has changed. Ahead of TMV! Recall at least against whom Bulgaria fought during WWII?
            I would refuse such an order, especially since Bulgaria itself had previously refused it.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 11 December 2017 20: 36 New
              11
              Tanya, good evening! love
              Quote: Tatiana
              I would refuse such an order, especially since Bulgaria itself had previously refused it.

              Key phrase, I bow.
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              2. sabakina
                sabakina 11 December 2017 21: 20 New
                +6
                Pash hi , personally, I can not decide. It’s like in chess, you can think one move forward, but you can think five ....
              3. Kasym
                Kasym 11 December 2017 21: 58 New
                +7
                Hello Pasha! It is better for the Russian Federation to take this work, otherwise Ukraine (Odessa) can do it. I also want to note that the repair of Soviet (Russian) fighters is noticeably less than the repair of Western counterparts. There would be an order of magnitude more expensive than the same F-16s. And one more moment. This whole Center. and East. Europe will greatly regret its entry into NATO. Rearmament will cost a penny. The USSR sometimes supplied its allies with barter for tomatoes or for free (see debt relief by Russia). And now either give all the best for 100%, or accept the written-off NATO stuff. I remember the story from the English. armored cars that in Ukraine could not reach the port from the port. Imagine now the replacement of artillery, BTT or aviation, for example, Romania - the guard, they will stand out like scam goats, the case tens of billions smells. Trump will leave without pants - the Poles refuse the Patriots when they saw the price tag. Moreover, the Poles in comparison with others in the "order". hi
                1. region58
                  region58 12 December 2017 00: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kasym
                  otherwise Ukraine (Odessa) can do it

                  Nah ... It seems that after the Croats in Ukraine no one wants to be repaired. Fools are dumb ...
                  https://topwar.ru/111139-v-horvatii-ne-utihaet-sk
                  andal-s-ukrainskim-remontom-mig-21.html
                2. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 12 December 2017 09: 13 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Kasym
                  ?. Now either give all the best for 100%, or get decommissioned NATO stuff ..

                  Golden words, but all in a 'gentleman's way' - no one prescribed paper goods for free. So now you have to pay, like Poland or Romania, or "work out", like the Baltic tigerrrrrs. The third option is a combination of the first two recourse . Like Latvia, for example: it works off territory, deploying infrastructure, pounding on a team and buying heaps of old howitzers for real money, at the price of one new belay But honestly, all on paper
              4. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 12 December 2017 03: 18 New
                +7
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Tanya, good evening! love
                Quote: Tatiana
                I would refuse such an order, especially since Bulgaria itself had previously refused it.

                Key phrase, I bow.

                Senora, Pasha hi I agree with you, but would go "on the contrary" and accept the order. The longer the old MiG-29 / 9-12 will be able to fly, the later the bros will receive more capable equipment - and does Russia need it? I think nobody will update their weapon control system, and money is never redundant
            2. Maksim
              Maksim 12 December 2017 00: 20 New
              +3
              Against whom he fought, genius. Name the date when the USSR declared war.
            3. pytar
              pytar 12 December 2017 00: 34 New
              +5
              Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR. From the word at all. Diplomatic relations were supported almost throughout the war. But even this is not important. Do you think "RSK MiG" is very worried "against whom did Bulgaria fight during WWII?" Money doesn't smell. As for the repair, it had not even come to the signing of the contract because of the high price. Today, RSK MiG has reduced its offer by -15-18%. You Tatyana "would refuse" but MiGurevichi Pts will even work! laughing It's about repair, not about modernization! The Bulgarian budget has accumulated enough funds in recent years, for the simultaneous purchase of new fighter planes and for the repair of MiGs. So, everything is fine with it.
              1. Victor Dubovitsky
                Victor Dubovitsky 12 December 2017 01: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: pytar
                Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR. From the word at all. Diplomatic relations were supported almost throughout the war. But even this is not important. Do you think "RSK MiG" is very worried "against whom did Bulgaria fight during WWII?" Money doesn't smell. As for the repair, it had not even come to the signing of the contract because of the high price. Today, RSK MiG has reduced its offer by -15-18%. You Tatyana "would refuse" but MiGurevichi Pts will even work! laughing It's about repair, not about modernization! The Bulgarian budget has accumulated enough funds in recent years, for the simultaneous purchase of new fighter planes and for the repair of MiGs. So, everything is fine with it.

                YOU drowned our two submarines. YOU fought in Yugoslavia, freeing the Germans and giving them the opportunity to fight on the Eastern Front. You fought in World War I against our allies. You do not know the story.
                1. Maksim
                  Maksim 12 December 2017 01: 39 New
                  +2
                  Yes, we drowned them in OUR tervod and yes we fought against Yugoslavia to regain Macedonia. And poking at strangers is uncivilized. I went to do my homework.
                  1. Victor Dubovitsky
                    Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 22: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mac Sim
                    Yes, we drowned them in OUR tervod and yes we fought against Yugoslavia to regain Macedonia. And poking at strangers is uncivilized. I went to do my homework.

                    Helping the enemy is the enemy. And by all laws is subject to destruction.
                2. pytar
                  pytar 12 December 2017 11: 10 New
                  +2
                  YOU drowned our two submarines.

                  Kakago x. were looking for "your" submarines in our territorial waters? Got lost, or what ?! And what kind of guys-explosives did these submarines lead to us, which are in normal diplomatic relations with the USSR? wink
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim 12 December 2017 15: 20 New
                    +2
                    Submarines laid YuP. laughing laughing
                  2. Victor Dubovitsky
                    Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 22: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: pytar
                    YOU drowned our two submarines.

                    Kakago x. were looking for "your" submarines in our territorial waters? Got lost, or what ?! And what kind of guys-explosives did these submarines lead to us, which are in normal diplomatic relations with the USSR? wink

                    Helping the enemy is the enemy. And by all laws is subject to destruction.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 13 December 2017 23: 03 New
                      +2
                      Helping the enemy is the enemy. And by all laws is subject to destruction.

                      You are Victor, inciting hatred between nations, helping enemies ... then the enemy ... negative
            4. Freelancer7
              Freelancer7 12 December 2017 01: 12 New
              +1
              And who prevents to lay down the "stress code"? Americans have long been laying extra in their "products". control codes (non-null case with triangulation on F-22). I think it would be useful to us. Bulgaria decides to fight against us - on the air "0100111010101010" - a chk and hitting the radar caught a mistake and failed. Let NATO also order equipment from us (Turkey S-400 for example), let it be the main thing here to put your head correctly !!!
            5. intuzazist
              intuzazist 12 December 2017 05: 17 New
              +1
              And if during the repair process a built-in guidance beacon is built into the airplane’s electrical network ?! And if necessary, activate! Then any of our racket will easily catch up with the airplane .......
              1. pytar
                pytar 12 December 2017 11: 13 New
                +3
                There is a maaalenka problem ... The beacons are illuminated and so they can easily be found, deactivated and put into the museum of espionage equipment ... laughing
            6. Bratyshka
              Bratyshka 12 December 2017 09: 44 New
              +1
              The fact that not many women in politics still inspire hope that TMV will not
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 12 December 2017 13: 08 New
                +2
                This is what makes TMV inevitable wassat
      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 11 December 2017 20: 20 New
        +9
        Why do they blink? They are in fact, let f-35 buy ... fellow
        1. 210ox
          210ox 11 December 2017 20: 38 New
          +6
          Well, probably for F35 have not yet ripened ... In the pose "Ku" you need more often .. patsaki ...
          Quote: INVESTOR
          Why do they blink? They are in fact, let f-35 buy ... fellow
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 11 December 2017 22: 05 New
            +4
            The NATO trifle sits on grants. In the best cases, the old and decommissioned F-16s from the "godfathers" will be borrowed. hi
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 12 December 2017 03: 22 New
              +6
              Quote: Kasym
              The NATO trifle sits on grants. In the best cases, the old and decommissioned F-16s from the "godfathers":

              will get. Sorry, but it will be more correct, no one will give anything
        2. pytar
          pytar 12 December 2017 11: 15 New
          +2
          Why do they blink? They are in fact, let f-35 buy ...

          Yes, throwing MiGs is a pity ... Although they are already old junk, they will still serve. And what new we will buy will be decided in 2018. wink
      3. Smog
        Smog 11 December 2017 20: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: kapitan92
        Reason triumphed

        Mind???? Where ?????
        All elementary, no money. And she is Russia, a kind soul, maybe on credit, maybe cheaper .... Let them continue to dream. Brothers .....
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 11 December 2017 20: 31 New
          +7
          Quote: Smog
          Mind???? Where ?????

          President of Bulgaria Radev is a former pilot, who knows the functionality of MIG 29.
          Quote: Smog
          All elementary, no money.

          With money they are really tight, so it’s easier to pay “Migu” 49 lyam than to buy a new one. hi
          1. Smog
            Smog 11 December 2017 20: 39 New
            15
            Quote: kapitan92
            President of Bulgaria Radev former pilot

            So what?
            Quote: kapitan92
            perfectly knowledgeable functionality of MIG 29.

            Well, let him study the functionality of the aviation of his dads from overseas perfectly.
            Quote: kapitan92
            They have really tight money

            And then they remembered Russia. Well, yes, yes, when it’s always hard to remember Russia. Well, as with a gas pipeline ... Yeah ....
            First, let this pilot-president wash away the monument to Alyosha from paint. Personally.
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 11 December 2017 20: 48 New
              +9
              Quote: Smog
              And then they remembered Russia

              It is better to keep the aviation of a NATO member country in check, repair, supply of spare parts, a guarantee for components, than to give them the opportunity to rearm on NATO aircraft.
              If you were careful reading the article, we are not talking about upgrading aircraft to the level of Mig29cmt.
              And the "south stream" - and to hell with it, became the "Turkish stream"!
              1. Smog
                Smog 11 December 2017 20: 51 New
                +5
                Quote: kapitan92
                And the "south stream" - and to hell with it, became the "Turkish stream"!

                Horseradish then horseradish! But the sediment remained. Hefty unpleasant!
                Quote: kapitan92
                It’s better to keep the NATO member’s aviation in check,

                And MiGs fit NATO standards.?
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 11 December 2017 21: 00 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Smog
                  And MiGs fit NATO standards.?

                  I didn’t specifically monitor MiG 29, but the first step in upgrading the Bulgarian Air Force fleet to NATO standards was the program adopted in May 2003 to equip navigation and radio communications equipment adopted by NATO and ICAO with six to eight MiG-21bis fighters, six to eight attack aircraft Su-25K / UBC, four jet training aircraft L-39ZA.
                  In February 2002, the Bulgarian Minister of Defense announced a modernization program for 20 MiG-29 fighters armed with the Air Force (including two MiG-29UB). European Aeronotics, Elbit and ARZ in Baranovichi.
                  Perhaps on MIG 29 put French avionics and communications.
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                    1. kapitan92
                      kapitan92 11 December 2017 21: 19 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Smog
                      And then these little twins of the most “democratic” territory in Europe will not push their little brothers? How is such a conspiracy theory? Has a right to exist?

                      Of course he has the right! I do not argue.
                      Quote: Smog
                      So I figured in our tugriks, it’s about 2,3 lama. Total! Cheap, oh cheap. Here psheki and refused.

                      In our "tugriks" it is about 285000000 billion rubles !!! 1 lev - 35,6 rubles.
                      1. Smog
                        Smog 11 December 2017 21: 27 New
                        +4
                        Quote: kapitan92
                        In our "tugriks" it is about 285000000 billion rubles !!! 1 lev - 35,6 rubles.

                        Sorry, it was shorted. Conscious, immediately corrected, i.e. deleted. But ..... Once again, sorry .. soldier
                      2. Dimachrus
                        Dimachrus 11 December 2017 21: 51 New
                        0
                        More conspiracy theory options: At the time of the start of the database, in the case of TMV did the cars undergoing / undergoing repairs remain on our territory?
                        Or the use of technology for global provocation?
              2. Maksim
                Maksim 12 December 2017 00: 21 New
                +2
                We can send you too, do you want?
                1. Victor Dubovitsky
                  Victor Dubovitsky 12 December 2017 01: 06 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Mac Sim
                  We can send you too, do you want?

                  If we send, then you can’t stop to the moon.
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim 12 December 2017 01: 41 New
                    +2
                    We have already sent above, and we have not yet to the moon. Enough to build yourself cool guys.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 12 December 2017 11: 17 New
                      +3
                      Enough to build yourself cool guys.

                      This is some reaction to the feeling of their own value. Brothers like ... lol
                2. Smog
                  Smog 12 December 2017 07: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mac Sim
                  We can send you too

                  For God's sake! You sent with UP, well ????
                  True, then your government began to whine that they were misunderstood. But this is so trifle! Yes????? True, the pipe then left the other way. And you were left with a nose instead of money for transit.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 12 December 2017 10: 30 New
                    +4
                    Eeeh, dear ... You still rush into the hands of the pipe ... Yes, calm down already! Transit money was lost by the Russian-Bulgarian energy mafia! It’s not worth worrying, unless of course you have a share in Gazprom! lol
                    1. Smog
                      Smog 12 December 2017 11: 10 New
                      0
                      Quote: pytar
                      It’s not worth worrying

                      Yes, I don’t really worry about that. I have no shares. Gazprom transfers taxes to the budget anyway. Even regardless of whether the pipe would go through Turkey or go through Bulgaria. The budget doesn't care. And the fact that you do not have jobs, I personally purple. They appeared at the Turks.
                      And from Turkey, money went from transit to the country's budget. Well done. You look another resort will be built. And the Russians will go there to belly warm.
                      Yes! And what about your situation in Bulgaria with the development of "green" energy. Are windmills and solar panels everywhere already?
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 12 December 2017 14: 02 New
                        +3
                        Yes, I especially do not worry. I have no shares.

                        Well, let the oligarchy worry then. He himself is offended, which is controlled by the media leading anti-Bulgarian propaganda in the Russian Federation.
                        .. regardless of whether the pipe would go through Turkey or go through Bulgaria. The budget doesn't care.

                        And I'm happy for you! Fair! My relatives in Russia will receive a lot, a lot of money! Thanks to Gazprom! He is a national treasure of all Russia!
                        And the fact that you do not have jobs, I personally purple. They appeared at the Turks.

                        Somehow we can handle it! I do not see a problem with this! So mutually violet!
                        You look another resort will be built. And the Russians will go there to belly warm.

                        It's not bad too! I’m only worried about the Russians ... Che, then the Turks pester them! Orient .. he's so ...
                        And what about your situation in Bulgaria with the development of "green" energy. Are windmills and solar panels everywhere already?

                        If you walk around Bulgaria, you will often find windmills and arrays with solar panels. The country is sunny and it’s a sin not to crawl such a God given resource! By 2013, in Bulgaria 19% of all energy consumed came from renewable sources. Interestingly, in Norway already 67,5% of energy is extracted from such sources! And this is a country rich in oil and gas, while the north! The effectiveness of these systems is increasing from year to year! They have great potential! Fact.
                  2. Maksim
                    Maksim 12 December 2017 13: 16 New
                    +2
                    SW I could, I remember that snot about pipelines lasted from the 90s. It was then that, together with the USA, your “merinjeys” overthrew a couple of Bulgarian governments in order to gain control of the pipe and get land under the pipeline in their property. But the result is a pipe. You overthrew the only prime minister from Eastern Europe, who was at the military parade on May 1995 in 9. And still whining about Bulgaria joining NATO? DB, you yourself pushed her there.
                    1. Smog
                      Smog 12 December 2017 13: 37 New
                      0
                      Quote: Mac Sim
                      You overthrew the only prime minister from Eastern Europe who was at the military parade on May 1995 in 9

                      How is this?
                      Quote: Mac Sim
                      It was then that, together with the USA, your “merinjeys” overthrew a couple of Bulgarian governments in order to gain control of the pipe and get land under the pipeline in their property.

                      That is, if you follow your logic, the earth under the pipe is ours? So why do we need your consent? Ah, so we are also from the United States, a couple ..... Mdyayayayaya .......
                      Well, about the snot ... ???? So this is your government suddenly recently ached ....
                      The Bulgarian government is in talks with Russian Gazprom over options for gas supplies to Southern Europe, the Bulgarian newspaper Capital also reported, citing unnamed officials. Among the options discussed are on the Turkish Stream branch or through Bulgaria. Thus, Bulgaria will retain its role as a transit country, the publication noted.

                      So your government is probably a little smarter than you. Therefore, the words of the Minister, mind you, our Minister of Foreign Affairs-DB can address yourself. And to me, in principle, deep purple will be gas in your country or not. By the way, I already wrote about this. Well, something like this.
                      1. Maksim
                        Maksim 12 December 2017 14: 41 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Smog
                        How is this?

                        Elementary, by voting in the Parliament, and then they put their pen on the events of December 1996 - February 1997. You can google what Ovargaz did and whose subsidiary it was.
                        And why Chernomyrdin and EBN congratulated the new Bulgarian prime minister in 1997.

                        Quote: Smog
                        That is, if you follow your logic, the earth under the pipe is ours?

                        No, dear, following the logic of CVN and EBN we should have sold it to you. And they didn’t want to.

                        Quote: Smog
                        So this is your government suddenly recently ached ....


                        In Bulgaria, there is a battle between the pro-Russian and pro-American gop companies. As the state of Bulgaria, it is certainly beneficial to be a country where the gas pipeline will pass, but not those conditions. Because of your pipeline, the people will be neither cold nor hot. Your fat cats want to go around Ukraine, throwing our piece. W and all. Bulgaria as a country in the UP will not earn much.
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 11 December 2017 21: 23 New
              +5
              Kostya, hi , there is politics, but there is geopolitics .... If anything, my post is higher.
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 11 December 2017 20: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Smog
          Quote: kapitan92
          Reason triumphed
          Mind???? Where ?????
          All elementary, no money. And she is Russia, a kind soul, maybe on credit, maybe cheaper .... Let them continue to dream. Brothers .....

          If you believe the news, then they can buy the 35th, it’s lucky, like in a lottery:
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              1. Smog
                Smog 11 December 2017 21: 17 New
                +4
                Quote: Going
                Better crankshaft

                Vitya! drinks soldier Yes, even an anchor ....
                Quote: Going
                bros started something.

                Yes, they will be pushed to kaklam, how to drink.
                1. Going
                  Going 11 December 2017 21: 26 New
                  +6
                  Kostya, and I suspect, as well, as if there were no more of these devices than before. And the anchor is yes. drinks
                  1. Smog
                    Smog 11 December 2017 21: 36 New
                    +4
                    Everything in this life can be. This is me about the number of aircraft.
            2. AID.S
              AID.S 11 December 2017 22: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: Smog
              If you want to ruin a small country, give her an aircraft carrier.
              So let’s buy it. These are the same Fu-35.

              Duc, MiGs want to repair the "zapyat", cunning, however, do not want to go broke. laughing
              1. Smog
                Smog 11 December 2017 22: 14 New
                +5
                Quote: AID.S
                don't want to go broke.

                But in vain! All the same, they need to buy the FU-35. Half a budget for the content. Walk the flaw, from the ruble and above ..... laughing
                1. AID.S
                  AID.S 11 December 2017 23: 28 New
                  0
                  And I have a feeling that the attack of Russophobia in a non-independent Bulgaria is a little subsided, amid the confusion or reflection of the European Union on sanctions and gas and human features begin to appear in it and common thoughts are heard. What disappeared in Poland and what is inaccessible to the Baltic states.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 12 December 2017 00: 45 New
                    +4
                    You are mistaken totally. In Bulgaria there is no Russophobia. From time to time, "workers" are sent from one embassy to make some kind of provocation, so ... for the Russian-language media and one category of "members of the forum". More ... According to the data, the trade turnover between Bulgaria and the Russian Federation is increasing year by year, despite the sanctions. Also zero problems. wink
                    1. AID.S
                      AID.S 12 December 2017 07: 52 New
                      0
                      Well, not Russophobia, but the counteraction of Russia (nuclear power plants, UP).
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 12 December 2017 09: 45 New
                        +3
                        Well, not Russophobia, but the counteraction of Russia (nuclear power plants, UP).

                        You have old and distorted information. All the same, they will build nuclear power plants. Looking for an investor and there are already candidates from Russia. UP recalled the Russian Federation, not Bulgaria! The managers of Gazprom made a bunch of conceptual errors. In general, the approach to the construction of such facilities in the EU turned out to be wrong. Which made it possible for the United States to intervene and engage its lobby in the European Commission.
                      2. AID.S
                        AID.S 12 December 2017 11: 41 New
                        +1
                        pytar,
                        That I said that the attack was on the wane, because a new directive from Brussels would come, click the whip, bite the bit, and Bulgaria would rush in that direction. Is not it? Here the Turks, unlike you, can blackmail us, even let them deceive us, looking for our own benefit. They are independent.
          2. pytar
            pytar 13 December 2017 17: 17 New
            +2
            The total amount of confiscated Bulgaria bitcoins to date 3 400 000 000 $
        3. pytar
          pytar 12 December 2017 00: 39 New
          +4
          Just money there. 2,5 billion euros for rearmament gathered in the BG budget. Next year they will probably hold a tender for the purchase of new fighters. We are talking about NEW, not used.
          1. Smog
            Smog 12 December 2017 07: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            We are talking about NEW, not used.

            Yes, we do not mind. Buy it.
            Meanwhile, the Bulgarian authorities continue to consider the purchase of new fighters in accordance with the concept of Bulgaria in NATO 2014, which was approved in 2020, which provides for the complete rejection of the use of Soviet / Russian fighters and helicopters.
            Options include the purchase from Italy of Eurofighter Typhoon Trance 1 fighters with a ten-year life cycle, as well as the purchase from Portugal of used American F-16 multirole fighter jets upgraded to the MLU standard. The only option for the purchase of new aircraft are the Swedish fighter Saab JAS-39C / D Gripen.
            Defense Minister Krasimir Karachkanov recently said that instead of all these options, Bulgaria could buy American F-18 fighter jets. Nevertheless, no specific decisions on this score by the Bulgarian side have yet been made.

            Details: https://regnum.ru/news/2355964.html
            Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.
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        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 11 December 2017 20: 28 New
          13
          They remembered the story today! They thanked Russia ... How can you refuse now?
          Tatyana, good evening! love
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 11 December 2017 20: 33 New
          +8
          Quote: Tatiana
          Maybe Russia should not arm Bulgaria against the Russian Federation? TMV on the nose! I would refuse, especially since earlier the Bulgarians themselves refused Russian services!

          Tatyana, hi ! Will they switch to old "phantoms" or "typhoons" - will it make it easier for us?
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 12 December 2017 00: 24 New
            +2
            You have a flying sofa, or even an airplane carpet. They were surprised!
      5. Pirogov
        Pirogov 11 December 2017 20: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: kapitan92
        And the ruin is here what side? Reason triumphed among Bulgarian politicians, pressed very hard!

        But how can I say, there can be no 100% confidence. Too many Bulgarians wagged their tail.
      6. svp67
        svp67 11 December 2017 21: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: kapitan92
        Reason triumphed among Bulgarian politicians, pressed very hard!

        Yes, as it were to put it mildly ... Bulgarians are at great risk. And through NATO and the EU ... Do not forget that Russia under sanctions and the country that violated them may also be under them. And another question, is it necessary for Russia now to restore the aircraft of its probable enemy ....
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 11 December 2017 21: 39 New
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: kapitan92
          Reason triumphed among Bulgarian politicians, pressed very hard!

          Yes, as it were to put it mildly ... Bulgarians are at great risk. And through NATO and the EU ... Do not forget that Russia under sanctions and the country that violated them may also be under them.

          They are at risk if this is not a mnogohodovka of the Washington Regional Committee. On the other hand, they really have nothing to fly on, even patrolling their area of ​​responsibility.
          Six months ago, a similar topic was already discussed at VO. States offered them to buy 12 F18e and a dozen f5 from storage. I don’t remember the amounts, but they are an order of magnitude higher.
          Radev, the president of Bulgaria, is a socialist, and Borisov the prime minister, the coat of arms. They have a "war" in parliament there. In a word, wait and see. hi
        2. pytar
          pytar 12 December 2017 00: 42 New
          +4
          Russia needs money. That’s the whole point. wink Bulgarians risk nothing. Bulgarian aircraft, Bulgarian money, Russian repairmen. And not everything will be done by RSK MiG. Part of the repairs will be done in Bulgarian aircraft repair plants. Everything's Alright.
      7. 7gor
        7gor 12 December 2017 06: 05 New
        0
        Just ate pride hi
    2. edge
      edge 11 December 2017 20: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      Can be repaired

      and why, let them fly on rag biplanes .... they don’t value friendship, and they constantly try to get under someone’s yoke
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 11 December 2017 20: 18 New
        +7
        Quote: hert
        and why, let them fly on rag biplanes ..

        50 lyamy greens for "MiG" on the road do not roll. hi
      2. figwam
        figwam 11 December 2017 20: 19 New
        +1
        Meanwhile, the British intelligence is circling around Syria, watching the transfer of our troops.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 11 December 2017 21: 29 New
          +3
          Sergey, hi Putin only voiced, and he is already flying. What information leak from the General Staff?
          1. figwam
            figwam 11 December 2017 21: 41 New
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            Sergey, hi Putin only voiced, and he is already flying. What information leak from the General Staff?
            All this time, they are sitting next to Cyprus, constantly looking out and sniffing.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 11 December 2017 21: 46 New
              +3
              Serge, and ours weakly knock the chassis on their ceiling?
        2. Cook
          Cook 11 December 2017 21: 48 New
          0
          Actually, KC2 is a tanker / transporter, not a scout.
          1. figwam
            figwam 11 December 2017 22: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: sabakina
            Serge, and ours weakly knock the chassis on their ceiling?

            Be sure to bang, but then!
            Quote: Cook
            Actually, KC2 is a tanker / transporter, not a scout.

            Officially, yes, a gas station, but we don’t know what he has on board, but flies along Syria in the morning and again. Moreover, the transponder turns on before entering the area of ​​our air defense and turns off how it leaves it, well, if it’s a real tanker, then it’s not visible who is filling it.
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 11 December 2017 20: 18 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Can and repair.

      For NATO, and to repair? This is already an excess! Let the SGA do this!
    4. Maz
      Maz 11 December 2017 20: 50 New
      0
      Not even six months have passed. It is necessary to repair them so that they themselves fall over the territory of the country.
    5. opus
      opus 11 December 2017 21: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Can and repair.

      on the neck and repair it.

      And what


      because it is "bratushki"

      The current agreement between Bulgaria and the United States on the deployment of military bases was concluded in the 2006 year and must be in effect for 10 years. According to him, 2500 soldiers may be in the country, and 2500 can be deployed for up to 90 days.

      The United States is allowed to use two Bulgarian military bases, a training center and a warehouse. The United States has already spent about 60 million dollars on the infrastructure of the Novo Selo testing site.

      1. 7gor
        7gor 12 December 2017 06: 10 New
        0
        The year is already 2018 in the yard! Can come to their senses, wiser!
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    7. zloybond
      zloybond 11 December 2017 21: 25 New
      0
      for money say you can sell?
    8. Blombirus
      Blombirus 11 December 2017 21: 25 New
      +7
      Hello again to everyone. Bulgarians from whom are they planning to defend the sky of myrrh-streaming NATO? From Russia? And weapons beg from Russia? What an abomination!
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 12 December 2017 09: 53 New
        +1
        totally agree! If this happens - I will be the first opponent in the election. Honestly, it will be a bargain!
      2. pytar
        pytar 12 December 2017 11: 23 New
        +3
        Hello! Bulgarians are going to protect their sky from all sorts of aggressors.
        And weapons beg from Russia? What an abomination!

        I can’t count how many times the RSK MiG came out with offers to the Bulgarians! At least 5 or 6 times for sure! And the Mikoyanogurevichs were yelling a lot when the Polish WMZ got down to business! What an abomination! lol
        1. Blombirus
          Blombirus 12 December 2017 16: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: pytar
          Hello! Bulgarians are going to protect their sky from all sorts of aggressors.
          And weapons beg from Russia? What an abomination!

          I can’t count how many times the RSK MiG came out with offers to the Bulgarians! At least 5 or 6 times for sure! And the Mikoyanogurevichs were yelling a lot when the Polish WMZ got down to business! What an abomination! lol

          Today's Bulgaria, the supplier of weapons for the entire terrorist Middle Eastern Kodla, this is the ABOMINATION!
          1. pytar
            pytar 13 December 2017 10: 35 New
            +2
            Today's Bulgaria, the supplier of weapons for the entire terrorist Middle Eastern Kodla, this is the ABOMINATION!

            By that "logic" Russia and the USA are ahead of the world! Everywhere everyone has Soviet / Russian or American weapons! Wherever you look! And the terrorists 99% is! Ay, ah ... how disgusting! no
            1. Victor Dubovitsky
              Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 13: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              Today's Bulgaria, the supplier of weapons for the entire terrorist Middle Eastern Kodla, this is the ABOMINATION!

              By that "logic" Russia and the USA are ahead of the world! Everywhere everyone has Soviet / Russian or American weapons! Wherever you look! And the terrorists 99% is! Ay, ah ... how disgusting! no

              Can't you see the shores at all? Selling to a country that is clearly not participating in the war is one thing. But with a madhouse - another thing.
              According to international universal rules, the supply of the country that is at war is to be on its side, and, in fact, unties the hands of the opposite side to begin military operations against this assistant.
              An example is Bulgaria in 1941-1943, when it helped Germany. The actions of the USSR against her are justified. Not enough for you? Repeat?
              1. pytar
                pytar 13 December 2017 15: 08 New
                +2
                Can't you see the shores at all?

                Said the poorly seeing Victor, rubbing his sunglasses ... bully
                Selling to a country that is clearly not participating in the war is one thing.

                You see again not in the know! Both the Russian Federation and the BG sell weapons without violating international laws. How it falls into the hands of the terrorists is a question for the acquirers! For example, the most modern Russian RPG-32 Barkas (Hashim-arab.). Produced in a joint Russian-Jordanian enterprise. Russia has secured contracts for C-400 with Turkey and is in talks with Saudi Arabia. And the SA is at war with the allied Iran by the Hussites who beat the Saudis from the Soviet Scuds. Examples can be found arbitrarily.
                According to international worldwide rules ...

                You have no idea about international laws and regulations.
                An example is Bulgaria in the 1941-1943 years when it helped Germany.

                And why not an example from 1939 to 1941 when the USSR helped Germany?
                The actions of the USSR against her are justified.

                Everyone has their own motives. And no one has a monopoly over the right.
                Repeat?

                All you can do is repeat, chat, all nonsense. But it’s not interesting anymore.
    9. Kent0001
      Kent0001 11 December 2017 22: 47 New
      0
      And why repair and upgrade aircraft to a potential adversary within NATO? Let Ukrainians beefed up, those won MiGs have already repaired.
    10. papas-57
      papas-57 11 December 2017 23: 06 New
      +2
      To send the little brothers away, but our bureaucrats will certainly take. The main thing is grandmothers, patriotism is in the twentieth place. By the way, recently there was a similar thing on the site (like Bulgarian pilots are afraid to fly on coffins), so one Bulgarian stubbornly argued that there is money in Bulgaria and they will buy it, I don’t remember which Western planes are.
      1. pytar
        pytar 12 December 2017 00: 54 New
        +4
        "one Bulgarian stubbornly argued ..." You are clearly not in the know. No one canceled the purchase of new fighters. Just the government decided to buy new aircraft and extend the life of the MiGs. A week ago, the president of Bulgaria, first-class military pilot Gen. Rumen Radev, while visiting France, got acquainted with and flew to Rafal. Accordingly, a request was sent to DASO on the terms of the sale of Rafaley. Gripen will definitely participate. F-16 used is not considered. 2017 was a record as revenues to the Bulgarian budget, in the history of the country. According to forecasts, this record will be broken next year. Growth in a sustainable economy for 5 year in a row. Of course, the Bulgarian authorities will very carefully evaluate all the possibilities and options for acquiring new fighters.
    11. Juborg
      Juborg 11 December 2017 23: 07 New
      +1
      Oh how! And what are not the Poles? Or they torn the poor to the skin, but they didn’t carry out the repair? Now the “quilted jackets" are needed and do not care that the monuments of Soviet wars desecrate and in NATO gallop and the gas pipe under the knife? I would nod to them silently, which by their gestures means "NO!" Enough "little brothers" then at their own expense contain, which then fight against us historically.
    12. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 12 December 2017 01: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      You can repair it. The main thing is that they would not end up in ruins ..

      What loot does not smell? Well, you bastard.
    13. Vend
      Vend 12 December 2017 09: 19 New
      +1
      And here is the answer why the Bulgarians remembered what Russia had done for them. Repair needs to be done, but there is no money to see. laughing
  2. Smog
    Smog 11 December 2017 20: 12 New
    +6
    Oh how! The return of the prodigal?
    Bulgaria previously refused to attract Russia to repair MiGs, preferring Poland.

    Well, "bros" helped you your Poles ?????? am
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 11 December 2017 20: 15 New
      0
      The New Doctrine of the Armed Forces of Bulgaria
      https://www.md.government.bg/bg/doc/strategichesk
      i / 20171211_Doktrina_VS.pdf
      16. Armed for the Republic of Bulgaria will participate in the collective selected for NATO and in the implementation for the General Politics for Signature and selected for the European Union. Those additional efforts on the country are in support for peace and stability in the world.



    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 11 December 2017 20: 17 New
      +4
      Kostik, soldier drinks Tell me, do you believe them?
      1. Smog
        Smog 11 December 2017 20: 21 New
        +7
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        do you believe them

        To Pasha! drinks soldier To whom ???????????
        They for one soiled Alyosha’s hands to tear off together with his head and shoved into the child-bearing female organ, to remake ..... Pasha, then the mat and emotions .... also obscene ..... very ..... am
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 11 December 2017 20: 31 New
          +4
          Here I am about the same, bro ... soldier drinks
          1. Smog
            Smog 11 December 2017 20: 41 New
            +5
            It's sad all this Pasha! Oh sad ... no words ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 11 December 2017 20: 43 New
              +6
              Sadly, to say the least. Machine-gun convincing - it would be an order of magnitude more correct.
              1. Going
                Going 11 December 2017 21: 03 New
                +5
                Good evening Pasha! hi , many times they said that the brothers are in the wrong rut, they have no faith.
                1. Maksim
                  Maksim 12 December 2017 00: 30 New
                  +1
                  Sorry, Hospadi, the above forgiving go .... members of the forum.
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 11 December 2017 20: 35 New
          13
          Kostya, calm, only calm. By the way, Alyosha was washed by ordinary Bulgarians. And then they guarded in turn. We also have such .... that sausages are fried on the Eternal Flame.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 11 December 2017 20: 38 New
            +5
            Lesch hi , and what sausages that would do well to do? bully
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 11 December 2017 21: 04 New
              11
              Pash, tear off everything that is torn. Otherwise, there will be a lot of Kolya boys.
              1. Going
                Going 11 December 2017 21: 15 New
                +6
                Better immediately on top. hi
          2. Smog
            Smog 11 December 2017 20: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: Okolotochny
            calm, only calm

            Alex! Greetings! soldier drinks How old is how many winters and all are cold.
            What peace is there? Change shoes in flight. Litter overseas. There is no faith to them one iota .....
            And the sausages! Lesh, but remember kolyusurengoy ..... Children of the Bologna system, his abortion miscarriages ....
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 11 December 2017 21: 08 New
              +9
              Kostya, hi. Yes, you know, you yourself were set up as well. But forum users Bulgarians "better" made me. He became better off when they posted an article stating that Bulgarian soldiers refused to shoot targets showing our soldiers during NATO exercises. The Greeks, in my opinion, also refused. Bulgarian fighters, NATO fighters, and refused. After that I thought that not everything was lost.
              1. Smog
                Smog 11 December 2017 21: 25 New
                +3
                Once again, good evening! I don’t know, I don’t know. Believe them after all their twists ..... Nah, I can’t believe them.
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                  2. Smog
                    Smog 12 December 2017 08: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mac Sim
                    Do you want to act like a gop company

                    And how do we still behave with your GOP COMPANY?
                    Betrayed time, betray and twice!
                    The law of fate, alas!
                    And if fate brings you once again
                    Do not build sand castles.
                    Their wind of time will destroy
                    Without applying extra forces.
                    Do not open your soul to such a new one!
                    Do not listen to whatever he says!
                    Do not believe such and do not hope
                    For a lot of false, different words.
                    Betrayed time, betray and twice!
                    The law of fate is always harsh.
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            2. sabakina
              sabakina 11 December 2017 21: 39 New
              +3
              Kinstintin, cool down at last! Otherwise, I’ll land in a guardhouse without the right to go to work!
              1. Smog
                Smog 11 December 2017 21: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: sabakina
                without the right to go to work!

                And for us, PENSIONERS, everything is on the drum .......
  3. Observer2014
    Observer2014 11 December 2017 20: 13 New
    +3
    Sofia turned to Russia for the repair of the Bulgarian Air Force MiG-29
    C'mon! Bulgarians buy F35-e. What is no money? So the Europeans survived now. And generally, the aircraft will be safe for the Bulgarians. NATO will save you if that. From the Turks for example. We do not need you 100% in any guise. We have lost confidence forever.
  4. Piramidon
    Piramidon 11 December 2017 20: 18 New
    +1
    And what, psheks were blown away? After all, they beat themselves in the chest with a hoof, promising to repair all MiGs.
    1. Smog
      Smog 11 December 2017 20: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: Piramidon
      After all, they beat themselves in the chest with a hoof,

      Probably the hoof fell off .... wassat
      1. Going
        Going 11 December 2017 21: 05 New
        +4
        Wishlist Poles read off scale, so they remembered Mother Russia.
      2. Yngvar
        Yngvar 12 December 2017 06: 05 New
        0
        The hoof fell off ... After the repair !!!
  5. private person
    private person 11 December 2017 20: 18 New
    0
    And then they will sell their Khokhlov as new.
  6. Puler
    Puler 11 December 2017 20: 18 New
    0
    Oh how ?! and the Yankees allowed? and after repair they will threaten us with these moments.
  7. Livonetc
    Livonetc 11 December 2017 20: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Puler
    Oh how ?! and the Yankees allowed? and after repair they will threaten us with these moments.

    What difference will they threaten.
    Brothers that won’t do everything ass turns out.
  8. Radikal
    Radikal 11 December 2017 20: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    You can repair it. The main thing is that they would not end up in ruins ..

    But it could very well be - to repair, and discard! NATO standards do not allow equipment not of their production! And ours will not do anything.
  9. Antor
    Antor 11 December 2017 20: 41 New
    0
    Go ahead, for the loot, we will repair all our enemies, it’s a pity not only in the head of the Bulgarian Russophobian elite, but only in technology. Only here are the Bulgarian MIGs being repaired and suitable for flying against whom they will fight as part of NATO !! ????
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 11 December 2017 20: 55 New
      0
      Once their Minister of Defense knows the functionality of the MIGs. then you need to fit them with a simulator. let them improve "You conduct explanatory work among me. and I will grow on myself"
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 11 December 2017 22: 14 New
        +6
        Quote: Cossack 471
        Since their Minister of Defense knows the functionality of the MIGs

        I wrote the president, not the minister of defense. Check out for self-education!
        Rumen Radev Born June 18, 1963 in Dimitrovgrad.
        In 1982, he graduated from a mathematical school in Haskovo with a gold medal. In 1987 he graduated from the Bulgarian Air Force University named after George Benkovsky as the best graduate. In 1992, he graduated from the Maxwell Squadron Officer School in the United States of America. From 1994 to 1996 he studied at the Rakovsky Defense and Staff College, where he was also the best graduate. Doctor of Military Sciences in the field of improving the tactical training of flight crews and simulating air combat.

        In 2003 he graduated from the Air Force College at Maxwell AFB in the United States as a Master of Strategic Studies with honors.


        .
        He speaks English, German and Russian.
        Military career.
        1987-1988: junior pilot in the 15th Fighter Aviation Regiment - Ravnets
        1989-1990: deputy unit commander in the 15th Fighter Aviation Regiment - Ravnets
        1990-1994: unit commander in the 15th Fighter Aviation Regiment - Ravnets
        1996-1998: MiG-29 squadron commander at Fifth Fighter Air Base - Ravnets
        1998-1999: deputy commander for flight preparations at the Fifth Fighter Air Base - Ravnets
        1999-2000: deputy flight training commander at the third fighter air base, Count Ignatievo
        2000 - A study of the air defense of the Republic of Bulgaria - NATO, Brussels
        2000-2002: Chief of Staff of the third fighter air base - Count Ignatievo
        2003-2005: Chief of Staff of the third fighter air base - Count Ignatievo
        2005-2009: Commander of the third fighter air base - Count Ignatievo
        2009—2014: deputy commander of the Bulgarian Air Force
        2014—2016: commander of the Bulgarian Air Force
        Since 2017, the President of Bulgaria! hi
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 December 2017 00: 22 New
          +4

          Gen. Rumen Radev pilot 1-class. Pilots several types of aircraft, including the F-16 and F-15 Eagle. When visiting France recently, he flew to Rafale and responded very well to this aircraft. Video from his aerobatics on the MiG-29.
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 11 December 2017 20: 52 New
    +1
    The right and wise decision. You can’t leave the Bulgarians without airplanes, otherwise they will have nothing to cover with their naval base and airfields on which small, NATO forces are standing. There will be more of them soon.
  11. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 11 December 2017 20: 52 New
    +1
    The Bulgarians are still armed with the Su-25. Negotiated with SAAB on the purchase of JAS 39 Gripen (Gryphon) generation 4+, but still overhaul in Russia was much cheaper, and the former Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria under investigation ... winked
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 December 2017 00: 25 New
      +3
      A tender for the purchase of a new type of fighter is coming. So far, JAS-39 Grippen in its latest modification is a favorite. Raphael’s participation is not turned off either. We are talking about the purchase of 32-36 fighter. MiG-29 will remain in operation until the end of the resource, as an addition to the new fighter.
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 12 December 2017 01: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: pytar
        A tender for the purchase of a new type of fighter is coming. So far, the JAS-39 Grippen in its latest modification is a favorite. Raphael’s participation is not turned off either. We are talking about the purchase of 32-36 fighter

        "Freshly legend, but hard to believe" - ​​there is such a saying in Russia.
        You do not boil so much!
        Bulgaria’s military budget in the best years - the mid-2000s - reached just over $ 1 billion. Since 2009, defense spending has been steadily declining, reaching a historic low of $ 2015 million in 599. At the request of NATO, the former Bulgarian government agreed to increase the military budget. In 2016, it grew by $ 100 million and amounted to $ 700 million. For comparison: in 1989 Sofia spent $ 4,1 billion on the army, that is, almost six times more.
        Today, the purchase of one batch of combat aircraft may not be enough for the annual military budget. Purchases of military equipment turned into an inadmissible luxury for Sofia. In such circumstances, Bulgaria is simply forced to support aviation through regular repairs.
        Trump even during the election campaign made it clear that the policy towards the allies would be pragmatic. How much they earned - and spend so much on defense. The Bulgarians have no chance of any outside help.
        Agricultural collapse, there was no heavy industry, Czechs and Austrians bought up energy assets, thanks to the “taunts” they flew past 2 lard of transit money from the “southern stream” and nuclear energy, and if you remove the EU subsidies Bulgaria is bankrupt. The population is reduced due to emigration to Europe , and smart guys are leaving.
        Quote: pytar
        MiG-29 will remain in operation until the end of the resource, as an addition to the new fighter.

        In the current situation, MIGs repaired with the help of Russia will not be an addition, but the main combat unit of the Bulgarian Air Force. Alas, this is a fact!
        For info, the price of Rafal is from $ 65 million (2012 price), except for missile and bomb weapons. 8 "flu" will cost Bulgaria 510 million euros and this is also without weapons. The term of the planned purchase is 2022-2024. So the budget of MO for the squadron is enough. Save money !!! hi
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 December 2017 10: 23 New
          +3
          "The giraffe does not exist, since such an animal cannot be!" - There is such a proverbial trick in Bulgaria. lol And you, do not boil so much! wink
          The military budget of Bulgaria since 2017 began to grow. Approximately 700 million euros will be given each year. Really do not buy all the aircraft at once. MiG-29 will serve their service to the end, although they are very costly to operate. The SAAB offer is very profitable, as it provides for training, basic weapons and, moreover, is full of offset back to the Bulgarian economy. Rafal is expensive, but you can’t completely disregard him. It was mentioned that the French would make unprecedented retreats if Bulgaria showed interest in this fighter. In 2018, all tender parameters will become known. During Sots Bulgaria spent huge amounts of money on weapons. But the enemies were everywhere! We defended the southern flank of the police department without the presence of units of the Soviet army. Now Bulgaria maintains the best relations in its history from all the Balkan countries! And we accumulate money and accumulate as many as 23,5 billion euro reserves! In 2017, GDP grew to a record 50 billion euro! In 2018, forecast GDP in 52 billion euros! As for the "country of bankrupt", then you obviously do not know that during the social Bulgaria 3 times went bankrupt! Now this situation is impossible. EU subsidies really are a weighty help for the country's economy. I am aware that there are such programs and the Customs Union! This is normal!
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 12 December 2017 14: 12 New
            +1
            In fact, they boil because they don’t remember the day before yesterday (which is excusable because of their youth), or because they remember only the 60s (also excusable). But if they are not commenting on senility and not shkolota, then Maidown of the brain is not treated with anything. Proven in their-already-non-fraternal neighboring country.
  12. shura7782
    shura7782 11 December 2017 21: 00 New
    +3
    My opinion is unambiguous, it is necessary to take an order.
    And of course, not because of the boble.
  13. Ivan Matveyev
    Ivan Matveyev 11 December 2017 21: 01 New
    +1
    You can repair it))) but with a little secret))) If you use it against us - a chick and electronics in the cut))
    1. Going
      Going 11 December 2017 21: 52 New
      +4
      I think we and not only we, have been doing this for a long time, but we are not promoting it.
    2. pytar
      pytar 12 December 2017 11: 32 New
      +3
      You can repair it))) but with a little secret))) If you use it against us - a chick and electronics in the cut))

      Just screw the secret correctly! And then the "chick" does not cheek! It happened to Roscosmos, as I recall. lol
  14. Sergey53
    Sergey53 11 December 2017 21: 05 New
    +1
    Return to square one. And how did you rock it?
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 12 December 2017 00: 36 New
      +2
      How exactly?
      1. Sergey53
        Sergey53 12 December 2017 11: 27 New
        0
        Russia is expensive, better than the Poles ..In Ukraine
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 12 December 2017 14: 14 New
          +1
          Come on. Then start whining that we are doing non-scaffold repairs. Please respect your obligations. Although the Indians have raised their voices many times that the service of aircraft is so-so.
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 December 2017 14: 23 New
            +3
            It and the Indians are already enemies! Anyone who opposes unsuccessful attempts by some fraternal corporations to unscrew the customer’s hands is an enemy and a traitor! lol
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 12 December 2017 14: 51 New
              +1
              Hindus also blocked their pipe or require a contract?
  15. Simon
    Simon 11 December 2017 21: 13 New
    0
    Well, that - nowhere without Russia! The time will come, you’ll understand, you’ll be asked to come back to us in “bros”. Many have given you NATO and the EU ?! fool
  16. Ihrek
    Ihrek 11 December 2017 21: 14 New
    +1
    It is possible to repair if paid. And it would not be bad to put a secret there.
  17. Simon
    Simon 11 December 2017 21: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey53
    Return to square one. And how did you rock it?

    Yeah, they realized that without us, nowhere! If you are against Russia, you will be beaten, and with Russia you will be winners! Remember the Second World War. fool
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 December 2017 11: 35 New
      +3
      You draw too large-scale conclusions, proceeding from not so significant events as the repair of several old MiG-ahs. By the way, in Bulgaria there is still a movement of the old Lada from the time of social. Buy parts from the Russian Federation for them.
  18. Simon
    Simon 11 December 2017 21: 18 New
    0
    Quote: schmel
    The Bulgarians are still armed with the Su-25. Negotiated with SAAB on the purchase of JAS 39 Gripen (Gryphon) generation 4+, but still overhaul in Russia was much cheaper, and the former Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria under investigation ... winked

    Not only cheaper, but also better! wink
  19. demo
    demo 11 December 2017 21: 18 New
    +2
    Nothing to do.
    From the word AT ALL!
    And we need it - the protection of zones of responsibility in the framework of NATO.
    Let the Bulgarians ask the Turks to guard them.
    Especially for three hundred years, and so the Turks guarded them.
    So far, these Russians, by stupidity, have taken and freed from oppression.
    1. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 12 December 2017 00: 42 New
      0
      Quote: demo
      Nothing to do.
      From the word AT ALL!
      And we need it - the protection of zones of responsibility in the framework of NATO.
      Let the Bulgarians ask the Turks to guard them.
      Especially for three hundred years, and so the Turks guarded them.
      So far, these Russians, by stupidity, have taken and freed from oppression.

      It’s better, and more reliable, to protect by planting in cages.
  20. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 11 December 2017 21: 49 New
    0
    $ 3,2 million for the repair of one aircraft is a penny .... For $ 49 million, you can buy an F-16 fighter and a half))) ...
  21. earloop
    earloop 11 December 2017 22: 10 New
    0
    Something through the looking glass: "... as well as the" uninterrupted fulfillment of tasks on <...> Bulgaria’s international obligations to protect NATO airspace. " . In principle, for more than 500 million. American tugriks probably bargain.
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 12 December 2017 11: 30 New
      0
      They want $ 49 million.
  22. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 11 December 2017 22: 38 New
    +1
    The main thing that would not be like the Second World War.
  23. huntsman650
    huntsman650 11 December 2017 23: 21 New
    0
    No need to panic. Will be repaired correctly. They can’t use against us.
  24. Berkut154
    Berkut154 11 December 2017 23: 34 New
    +3
    I think these skins should be ripped off three skins or sent to hell and close the certificate of validity.
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 December 2017 14: 28 New
      +2
      I think these skins should be ripped off three skins or sent to hell and close the certificate of validity.

      They tried to rip off not just three, but five skins! Did not work out. And they sent to hell! Sami fucked up. And the certificates were closed! No one was impressed! request
      A dough is needed! You want to live humanly in the richest country in the world! what
  25. Nemesis
    Nemesis 12 December 2017 00: 04 New
    0
    The main thing is that they do not repair it again on credit, which Bulgaria will again forget to return to the Russian Federation ... In the morning, money, chairs in the evening ... And the NATO country does not need to modernize airplanes, to repair ALL ...
  26. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 12 December 2017 00: 41 New
    +2
    Write three letters on a sheet, seal it in an envelope and send it by diplomatic mail.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 12 December 2017 01: 46 New
      +2
      I look at you received your envelope and already pack your bags. I wish you a pleasant walk to the destination from the leaflet.
  27. Wolka
    Wolka 12 December 2017 04: 53 New
    0
    bros again in their repertoire
  28. fif21
    fif21 12 December 2017 06: 00 New
    0
    Strengthen NATO? Do we need this? And why do not counter-sanctions apply to Bulgaria? MIGs are most likely being prepared for sale, but we are offered to conduct pre-sale preparations. I agree - for the desecration of the monument "Alyosha" it is necessary to ban trade with Bulgaria. For everything you need to pay gentlemen Bulgarians, for sclerosis, too. hi
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 December 2017 10: 35 New
      +4
      And why do not counter-sanctions apply to Bulgaria? MIGs are most likely being prepared for sale, but we are offered to conduct pre-sale preparations.

      After a sharp decline in 2014, followed by an annual increase in trade between Bulgaria and the Russian Federation, by 6-14% .... laughing I am shorter, not against sanctions! RF, it seems, too! Alyosha was sprayed at 3 hours at night by two maginal, hired with one unnamed dipmissia. The next day, an hour cleaned. And in Russia, many times destroyed many monuments. In short, do your business. We’ll deal with ours here somehow! bully
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 12 December 2017 12: 40 New
      +8
      Yes, you read for Alyosha. The Bulgarians themselves washed it. Moreover, the soap is much more people than defiled. Then, voluntarily guarded the monument.
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 12 December 2017 15: 03 New
        +2
        On both sides there are normal, adequate people. That's just looking at the forums it does not say.
      2. pytar
        pytar 12 December 2017 15: 29 New
        +4
        Spray the monument at night, the case for 3-10 min.! It is clear that someone orders these vandals! And those who write on the Russian-speaking forums against the Bulgarians are the coffers, those provocateurs! Alyosha stands on a high 400 m. A hill overgrown with forest! No video surveillance cameras will help, but it is impossible to protect the 530 monuments of Russia / USSR located on the Bulgarian territory! Bulgaria in terms of concentration of monuments of Russia / USSR is in first place in the world! Marginals, hooligans are in all countries of the world! In Russia itself, the situation with the monuments is depressing!
  29. bsk_una
    bsk_una 12 December 2017 07: 46 New
    +1
    Is it necessary to get in touch with "bros"? They have long lost their face (not face). Let them make paper airplanes and fly themselves. Or they are buying from NATO, they need it! But in general there is concern: either this equipment will be in Ukraine, or somewhere else where there is a mess, how they sold IS munitions. As was the Bulgarian power of the bastard, so it remained, adding on the main population of the country. Let them live independently in both the EU and NATO, giving the country to the loot for the geyropeytsam. What they wanted, they got it! Make them planes, they will also attack Russia, it will not rust.
  30. Star
    Star 12 December 2017 08: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    As noted in the application for public procurement, the repair of fighter jets is necessary because of the "paramount importance of national security and national defense", as well as “Uninterrupted fulfillment of tasks on <...> Bulgaria’s international obligations to protect NATO airspace”.
    Maybe you should not take this order of Russia from Bulgaria? The situation has changed. Ahead of TMV! Recall at least against whom Bulgaria fought during WWII?
    I would refuse such an order, especially since Bulgaria itself had previously refused it.

    I completely agree, especially since we already have enough of our orders, and it also seems to me that the amount is somehow small.
  31. pytar
    pytar 12 December 2017 09: 40 New
    +5
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    Quote: pytar
    Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR. From the word at all. Diplomatic relations were supported almost throughout the war. But even this is not important. Do you think "RSK MiG" is very worried "against whom did Bulgaria fight during WWII?" Money doesn't smell. As for the repair, it had not even come to the signing of the contract because of the high price. Today, RSK MiG has reduced its offer by -15-18%. You Tatyana "would refuse" but MiGurevichi Pts will even work! laughing It's about repair, not about modernization! The Bulgarian budget has accumulated enough funds in recent years, for the simultaneous purchase of new fighter planes and for the repair of MiGs. So, everything is fine with it.

    YOU drowned our two submarines. YOU fought in Yugoslavia, freeing the Germans and giving them the opportunity to fight on the Eastern Front. You fought in World War I against our allies. You do not know the story.

    You don’t know the story! 2 submarines carrying communist saboteurs were sunk in Bulgarian territorial waters. It would be surprising if the monarchist provocation against which the partisan communists fought would meet these submarines with bread and salt! Our troops were in Macedonia, inhabited by the Bulgarians, and there the Titovian / Pro-British way / guerrillas could not boast of any success. At that time, 30 thousand. Germans were needy to sit in the western outskirts of Bulgaria. And from the end of 44, the half-million Bulgarian army / the second largest allied USSR military group / fought on the side of the Red Army. In WWI, Russia fought on our territory and on the side of ours and its own way, the worst enemies! Learn materiel Victor and not this bullshit! negative
    1. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 12 December 2017 11: 16 New
      0
      Quote: pytar
      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
      Quote: pytar
      Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR. From the word at all. Diplomatic relations were supported almost throughout the war. But even this is not important. Do you think "RSK MiG" is very worried "against whom did Bulgaria fight during WWII?" Money doesn't smell. As for the repair, it had not even come to the signing of the contract because of the high price. Today, RSK MiG has reduced its offer by -15-18%. You Tatyana "would refuse" but MiGurevichi Pts will even work! laughing It's about repair, not about modernization! The Bulgarian budget has accumulated enough funds in recent years, for the simultaneous purchase of new fighter planes and for the repair of MiGs. So, everything is fine with it.

      YOU drowned our two submarines. YOU fought in Yugoslavia, freeing the Germans and giving them the opportunity to fight on the Eastern Front. You fought in World War I against our allies. You do not know the story.

      You don’t know the story! 2 submarines carrying communist saboteurs were sunk in Bulgarian territorial waters. It would be surprising if the monarchist provocation against which the partisan communists fought would meet these submarines with bread and salt! Our troops were in Macedonia, inhabited by the Bulgarians, and there the Titovian / Pro-British way / guerrillas could not boast of any success. At that time, 30 thousand. Germans were needy to sit in the western outskirts of Bulgaria. And from the end of 44, the half-million Bulgarian army / the second largest allied USSR military group / fought on the side of the Red Army. In WWI, Russia fought on our territory and on the side of ours and its own way, the worst enemies! Learn materiel Victor and not this bullshit! negative

      It is the Bulgarians. From their very old aircraft, which in the First World War were from the Germans. If you had new ones that asked on your lap, there would be more. You opened ports for fascists, supplied German submarines, caravans from Romania with oil. We wouldn’t pay attention to it! Did you declare war on us or vice versa? Be quiet, with ... such. It would be nice to join the EU after the CMEA. Why did you join NATO? Now wait for the Iskanders.
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 12 December 2017 14: 19 New
        +1
        I'm sure all your cockroaches are standing ovations. However, “with .....” we can return, but down to your level you are down. It smells too much where you are.
        As for airplanes - until 1940, the Bulgarian Air Force had mainly airplanes from France, Czechoslovakia and Poland. Where did you find the old planes? They were destroyed in 1919-1920. And tell me dear when exactly we declared war on you. Please name the date. Do not be shy, after your posts REN-TV looks like a documentary channel.
        1. Victor Dubovitsky
          Victor Dubovitsky 12 December 2017 19: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Mac Sim
          I'm sure all your cockroaches are standing ovations. However, “with .....” we can return, but down to your level you are down. It smells too much where you are.
          As for airplanes - until 1940, the Bulgarian Air Force had mainly airplanes from France, Czechoslovakia and Poland. Where did you find the old planes? They were destroyed in 1919-1920. And tell me dear when exactly we declared war on you. Please name the date. Do not be shy, after your posts REN-TV looks like a documentary channel.

          After the attack on the USSR in June 1941, Hitler repeatedly demanded that Tsar Boris send Bulgarian troops to the Eastern Front. However, fearing the growth of pro-Russian sentiment, the tsar evaded this requirement and Bulgaria did not actually participate in the German war against the USSR. However, Bulgaria’s participation in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia and hostilities against Greek and Yugoslav partisans freed up German divisions to be sent to the Eastern Front. In addition, on December 6, 1941, German seaplanes sank the Soviet submarine Sch-204 in the Varna region [source not specified 551 days]. True, before that, Soviet submarines sank several small ships under the Bulgarian flag.

          On August 10-11, 1941, the 29st All-Slavic rally was held in Moscow, which called on all Slavic peoples to a holy war against Nazi Germany (in addition to the Slavic peoples of the USSR, the appeal was signed by representatives of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria) [XNUMX].

          In the summer of 1941, large-scale resistance arose in Bulgaria, in which the Communists and representatives of other political forces took part - the left wing of the agrarians, social democrats, the "Link", the Union of officers and other opponents of the alliance with Germany.

          On November 25, 1941, Bulgaria joined the Anti-Comintern Pact [30].

          After the attack on Pearl Harbor and Germany declared the US war, Canada, Australia and New Zealand declared war on Bulgaria on December 7, 1941 [31], and Great Britain declared on December 12, 1941 [32].

          On December 13, 1941, Tsar Boris III yielded to German demands, and Bulgaria declared war on the United States and Great Britain.

          in the winter of 1941-1942, the Germans handed over to Bulgaria 9 Messerschmitt Bf.109E fighters, further deliveries of aircraft were continued.
          At the beginning of 1942 in the territory of Bulgaria and Macedonia, the Südost branch of the German military-construction organization Todt was created and started operating [33].

          June 5, 1942 the United States declared war on Bulgaria.

          In July 1942, at the initiative of the leader of the Bulgarian Communist Party, Georgi Dimitrov, the Patriotic Front coalition was created.

          The victory of the Red Army at Stalingrad and its advance to the west contributed significantly to the development of the Resistance movement in Bulgaria and changes in the relations of the Bulgarian government with Germany.

          In March 1943, partisan detachments were united in the People's Liberation Rebel Army.

          In the spring and summer of 1943, mass protests of the population took place in the occupied territory of Greece, which foiled plans to increase the Bulgarian zone of occupation of Greece.

          In the summer of 1943, the Western Allies launched aerial bombardments of Bulgaria.

          On August 1, 1943, the Bulgarian Air Force fighters shot down the first American bombers - four B-24Ds, returning to base after a raid on the Romanian oil fields in the Ploiesti area. In general, during the war, Bulgarian pilots shot down 117 aircraft of the Western Allies, which made air attacks on targets in Bulgaria and oil fields in Romania [27].
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 12 December 2017 19: 42 New
            +1
            Good - save-pasty from Vicki. Where it is asked, WHERE is the date written when Bulgaria declared war on the USSR. It is written that the Bulgarian government was afraid of sending soldiers on the Eastern Front because of Russophile sentiment. Recognize your name poorly?
      2. pytar
        pytar 12 December 2017 14: 41 New
        +2
        It is the Bulgarians. From your very old planes, which ... you opened ports for the Nazis, supplied the Germans with submarines, caravans from Romania with oil ... lyalyalya ... Be quiet, with ... such. It would be nice to join the EU after the CMEA. Why did you join NATO? Now wait for the Iskanders.

        Inadequate hardening! To say the least! Will you write down Switzerland, Sweden as enemies too? After all, they traded from Germany! You Victor Dubovitsky can neither forbid me nor anyone else to speak! You can quietly (with ... such) freak out, but now the times are different! By the way, you have to go to bed with a woman, not with Iskander! laughing
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 12 December 2017 15: 04 New
          +1
          The USSR itself traded with Germany until June 1941, helping it bypass the blockade. Maybe he’s his own enemy? request
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 December 2017 15: 33 New
            +3
            Bearing in mind that on the side of the Wehrmacht, 1,5 million citizens of the USSR fought against the Red Army, it can definitely be considered that the "anti-Bolshevik" Russia fought against the USSR! All the accusations that are slipped against the Bulgarians can be easily refuted! Adequate Russians know very well what and how in fact. They themselves ask themselves the question of who such anti-Bulgarian propaganda works for!
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 12 December 2017 17: 46 New
              0
              I'm not talking about your post, Peter, but about the antilogy of some characters.
            2. Victor Dubovitsky
              Victor Dubovitsky 12 December 2017 19: 43 New
              0
              Quote: pytar
              Bearing in mind that on the side of the Wehrmacht, 1,5 million citizens of the USSR fought against the Red Army, it can definitely be considered that the "anti-Bolshevik" Russia fought against the USSR! All the accusations that are slipped against the Bulgarians can be easily refuted! Adequate Russians know very well what and how in fact. They themselves ask themselves the question of who such anti-Bulgarian propaganda works for!

              Yes. There were such. But they are forever enemies and cursed by us. Their whole family, all descendants will bear the brunt of the curse.
              Why can't we put you next to them? We set.
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 12 December 2017 21: 01 New
                +1
                Sentry, there are only enemies around !!! wassat lol
              2. pytar
                pytar 12 December 2017 23: 40 New
                +2
                Why you we can't put next to them? We set.

                For one simple reason! Because you Victor, you can’t deliver anywhere. No "you we" and "We set" do not express. And "yours" few people are interested in ... Well, except for a narrow circle of specialists ... bully
  32. Bratyshka
    Bratyshka 12 December 2017 10: 06 New
    +4
    Comments on the site are absolutely Bulgarianophobic
    Besides - absolutely unreasonable
    Some offended kindergarten
    A buyer came to us, he wants to pay for repairs
    He is the customer. I already wrote earlier: our planes will not be in the Balkans, there will be NATO ones.
    Brain over, do we need it? We lost the Balkans with our wagging tail at the end of the 19th century and at the end of the past.
    And by the way, while we fidget on a chair to go not to go with a white flag, it was Bulgaria who stood up for us, for our flag and anthem. Little Bulgaria understands what a flag is
    Bulgarians on the site: do not listen to the children's tantrum of those present
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 12 December 2017 14: 44 New
      0
      Unfortunately, I can only deliver a plus to you. hi
    2. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 00: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Bratyshka
      Comments on the site are absolutely Bulgarianophobic
      Besides - absolutely unreasonable
      Some offended kindergarten
      A buyer came to us, he wants to pay for repairs
      He is the customer. I already wrote earlier: our planes will not be in the Balkans, there will be NATO ones.
      Brain over, do we need it? We lost the Balkans with our wagging tail at the end of the 19th century and at the end of the past.
      And by the way, while we fidget on a chair to go not to go with a white flag, it was Bulgaria who stood up for us, for our flag and anthem. Little Bulgaria understands what a flag is
      Bulgarians on the site: do not listen to the children's tantrum of those present

      That's it. What difference does a thief get into your apartment cut your wife, or you yourself? Tell us where the Bulgarians carried our flag for us. Thus expressing support. Do not know. But I admit that it was. On this basis, forget the story of the South Stream, the nuclear power plant, with the deployment of NATO bases on its territory (after all, it is sovereign !!!) Is it just that Russia's financial losses from this will become zero? Not to mention the political losses caused by sharply sharpened friendship.
  33. Bratyshka
    Bratyshka 12 December 2017 10: 11 New
    0
    Since they touched the Bulgarian theme
    I would like to understand the opinion of the Bulgarians about the southern stream
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    2. pytar
      pytar 12 December 2017 15: 03 New
      +2
      I would like to understand the opinion of the Bulgarians about the southern stream

      Hello brother! hi There are adequate people on the forum! Thank you personally! good The situation with the South Stream is extremely one-sided and distortedly reflected in Russian-speaking resources. It is scarce in Bulgarian information! For a number of reasons! In fact, the project initially suffered from critical shortcomings and conceptual errors! What, Bulgarian experts have repeatedly paid attention to their Russian colleagues! There was a clear contradiction in the idea itself, it would build a mega-European project, while presenting it technically as somewhat different-local in each of the countries where it was supposed to go through! The goal was to circumvent European antitrust laws! At the same time, the entire project was funded exactly as pan-European! As you can see, the number did not go through ... There was also a problem with profitability! Initially, the project was designed for a higher gas price! In connection with the Ukrainian events in 2014 and the sanctions, gas prices fell, and Gazprom had an acute shortage of financing! There was such a report then on the Gazprom website, but then it was quickly removed ... In fact, Gazprom began to look for options to get out of the project without paying any contractual penalty! The USA through its lobby has stepped up the European Commission and it has set its conditions! They are mandatory for implementation in the territories of EU countries! The Bulgarian side suggested that Gazprom work out alternative options for solving the problem! Gazprom, seeing that the profitability of UP will fall even lower, refused! At the same time, Russian government officials made statements about the redundancy of the project, but no official documents were received by the Bulgarian side almost a year and a half after the “closure” of UP! Another year and a half, the Bulgarian side was conscientiously fulfilling its obligations! All administrative procedures in terms were carried out in this period! Why is everything UTB hiding from the Russian public and circulating gigabytic misinformation throughout the Internet and in the media? Yes, because some responsible persons in Gazprom and in the governments of the Russian Federation, so hide their shortcomings and misses! Blaming Bulgaria, showing who is “to blame” is easier! And why does the Bulgarian side not respond and will not show the documents that it has? There are two reasons! 1. There are non-disclosure clauses that the Bulgarians do not want to break! If Gazprom was right, he could blame Bulgaria, but he didn’t! This is due to the fact that Bulgaria could very well condemn Gazprom for violating agreements! 2. Bulgaria is trying to maintain calm and good tone, so that at the right time to continue with the implementation of alternative projects! These are being developed and probably after a while you will all know! Bulgaria behaves very correctly! Patience and peace are the national trait of the Bulgarians as a people!
  34. Thracian warrior
    Thracian warrior 12 December 2017 11: 15 New
    +1
    It is possible to repair if paid. And it would not be bad to put a secret there.


    Are we not going to look for a bug? laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 December 2017 13: 26 New
      +3
      The bug has cheap Chinese filling. Bug a minute and then die. In addition, the radius of the transmission they have half a meter ... And this is in the position that they mount correctly! Left side to the left, and right side to the right! What do not always have time to do! Too complicated eta technique! laughing
  35. Thracian warrior
    Thracian warrior 12 December 2017 11: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    .

    Victor Dubovitsky, I have long recorded you in the main Bulgarianophobic at VO. I'm tired of it, sorry, but already sent to the "ignore". negative
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 12 December 2017 15: 08 New
      +1
      Nature itself ignored him when conscience and intellect were passing out. He knocked on the clave then laughing
    2. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 00: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Thracian warrior
      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
      .

      Victor Dubovitsky, I have long recorded you in the main Bulgarianophobic at VO. I'm tired of it, sorry, but already sent to the "ignore". negative

      Something made me feel cold. From your ignore. More efficiently, dump yourself from here.
  36. komandor921
    komandor921 12 December 2017 11: 42 New
    0
    I don’t understand how our specialists know how to repair and maintain the equipment, even the old one, which will hit Russia as soon as possible. Most importantly, the Bulgarians don’t hide it. The guys are expensive. Not everything is sold for money. You are welcome!!
  37. Thracian warrior
    Thracian warrior 12 December 2017 11: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Sadly, to say the least. Machine-gun convincing - it would be an order of magnitude more correct.

    When did Lukashenka write you, a machine gunner?
  38. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 12 December 2017 12: 23 New
    +1
    Well, we sell to the Turks with 400 and these are the same, not a friend, not an enemy, but like that.
  39. pytar
    pytar 12 December 2017 14: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: AID.S
    pytar,
    That I said that the attack was on the wane, because a new directive from Brussels would come, click the whip, bite the bit, and Bulgaria would rush in that direction. Is not it? Here the Turks, unlike you, can blackmail us, even let them deceive us, looking for our own benefit. They are independent.

    When one country enters into some kind of union, it takes on certain obligations! So it was in CMEA, so in the EU and the Customs Union! Not all obligations meet the national interests of the country. Question on compromise and pragmatism! Turkey is not a member of the EU, for that it has more freedom. Knocking 20 years at the door of the European Union, she clearly was not against his rules adopted. When it became clear that she was unlikely to ever be admitted to the EU, she began to act "independently." I suspect that Russia and Gazprom will have very serial problems with the Turks in the future ... But it’s because of greenbacks and centuries-old enemies that they go to bed together ... bully
    1. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 00: 16 New
      0
      Quote: pytar
      Quote: AID.S
      pytar,
      That I said that the attack was on the wane, because a new directive from Brussels would come, click the whip, bite the bit, and Bulgaria would rush in that direction. Is not it? Here the Turks, unlike you, can blackmail us, even let them deceive us, looking for our own benefit. They are independent.

      When one country enters into some kind of union, it takes on certain obligations! So it was in CMEA, so in the EU and the Customs Union! Not all obligations meet the national interests of the country. Question on compromise and pragmatism! Turkey is not a member of the EU, for that it has more freedom. Knocking 20 years at the door of the European Union, she clearly was not against his rules adopted. When it became clear that she was unlikely to ever be admitted to the EU, she began to act "independently." I suspect that Russia and Gazprom will have very serial problems with the Turks in the future ... But it’s because of greenbacks and centuries-old enemies that they go to bed together ... bully

      Material interest tears our enemy from his allies. He will not become our ally. You are much less interested in us. For your weight in the EU, in NATO, in our interests in gas or other export-import, is incomparably lower than the Turks.
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 December 2017 10: 21 New
        +2
        Material interest tears our enemy from his allies. He will not become our ally. You are much less interested in us. For your weight in the EU, in NATO, in our interests in gas or other export-import, is incomparably lower than the Turks.

        Very rarely, but in the fog of your “deliberation”, there are glimpses of truth! bully It is their interests that are guided by the states represented by their rulers! Therefore, you personally do not represent any state Victor ... You can only guess what and how it will be! Therefore, it looks funny, as you say on behalf of all of Russia! lol And since interests can diverge or coincide over time, then politics changes depending on the situation! This is so with alliances! There are neither eternal alliances or eternal adversaries. Each state has the inalienable right to protect its interests, as far as possible! Russia has its own vital interests in the Balkans! The region is important for its location. And on the Balkans, Bulgaria is central. From this and our problems, and the benefits! Turkey is also very important for a number of reasons. There are problems between the Balkan countries, but whoever monitors the situation knows that integration processes are going on here. Soon we will witness very interesting developments! I personally do not exclude the formation of something like the Balkan Union, between Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Cerna Gora, Macedonia, Romania and Croatia. The problem with Kosovo should be resolved and there are hints that something is ahead! Conflict resolution through negotiations will make our region less vulnerable to external influences! Very serial work is going on in the capitals of the Balkan states! Gas and so on. Russian exports as a set of measures for Europe and Turkey are different things, but there are also common ground. The weight of Bulgaria in particular is much less than the weight of Turkey, but Bulgaria also has its own weighting arguments. To put Bulgarian politics not on confrontation, but on cooperation and good neighborliness! In this connection, I will mention that in 2018 Bulgaria will chair the EU and has already outlined its priorities! 1. Will work to attract the Western Balkans to the EU. There is such a desire in all countries so far outside the EU. 2. Will raise the question of lifting sanctions from the Russian Federation. There is an agreement with the Russian government on this issue. 3. Improve relations with the Russian Federation. President Putin will be at the office. visit with us by March. 4. There is a tendency for the whole Balkan region, or even a significant part of it, to come forward with a common position on important international issues related. Bulgaria is at the forefront of this trend. We have the best relations with our neighbors in history!
        1. Victor Dubovitsky
          Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 13: 28 New
          0
          Quote: pytar
          Material interest tears our enemy from his allies. He will not become our ally. You are much less interested in us. For your weight in the EU, in NATO, in our interests in gas or other export-import, is incomparably lower than the Turks.

          Very rarely, but in the fog of your “deliberation”, there are glimpses of truth! bully It is their interests that are guided by the states represented by their rulers! Therefore, you personally do not represent any state Victor ... You can only guess what and how it will be! Therefore, it looks funny, as you say on behalf of all of Russia! lol And since interests can diverge or coincide over time, then politics changes depending on the situation! This is so with alliances! There are neither eternal alliances or eternal adversaries. Each state has the inalienable right to protect its interests, as far as possible! Russia has its own vital interests in the Balkans! The region is important for its location. And on the Balkans, Bulgaria is central. From this and our problems, and the benefits! Turkey is also very important for a number of reasons. There are problems between the Balkan countries, but whoever monitors the situation knows that integration processes are going on here. Soon we will witness very interesting developments! I personally do not exclude the formation of something like the Balkan Union, between Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Cerna Gora, Macedonia, Romania and Croatia. The problem with Kosovo should be resolved and there are hints that something is ahead! Conflict resolution through negotiations will make our region less vulnerable to external influences! Very serial work is going on in the capitals of the Balkan states! Gas and so on. Russian exports as a set of measures for Europe and Turkey are different things, but there are also common ground. The weight of Bulgaria in particular is much less than the weight of Turkey, but Bulgaria also has its own weighting arguments. To put Bulgarian politics not on confrontation, but on cooperation and good neighborliness! In this connection, I will mention that in 2018 Bulgaria will chair the EU and has already outlined its priorities! 1. Will work to attract the Western Balkans to the EU. There is such a desire in all countries so far outside the EU. 2. Will raise the question of lifting sanctions from the Russian Federation. There is an agreement with the Russian government on this issue. 3. Improve relations with the Russian Federation. President Putin will be at the office. visit with us by March. 4. There is a tendency for the whole Balkan region, or even a significant part of it, to come forward with a common position on important international issues related. Bulgaria is at the forefront of this trend. We have the best relations with our neighbors in history!

          Views are changing, so are alliances.
          It is not to betray, it is to provide.
          But then another thing is true - the enemy changes. Yesterday was NOT an enemy, today is an enemy and a goal. Be consistent.
          And I am always with my homeland. With any leader, president, king. They are changing, the Fatherland remains. And she is always right and can count on my defense. I do not take away your right to do the same. But then .... do not be offended.
          1. pytar
            pytar 13 December 2017 15: 22 New
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            Here are some examples of the lack of logic and complete confusion in your head, Victor! laughing
            You:
            He will not become our ally.

            You again:
            Views are changing, so are alliances.

            It will, it will not ... Change, do not change ...?!
            It is not to betray, it is to provide.

            Like, when the Russian Federation changes its policy in the form of its interests, UTB prudently! And when for example the BG does the same betrayal! Do you even read what you write?
            But then another thing is true - the enemy changes. Yesterday was NOT an enemy, today is an enemy and a goal. Be consistent.

            Consistent in what? Forever enemies or forever friends? Have you ever thought that if the Russian Federation / USSR often changes enemies with friends, then its enemy friends will also change their attitude towards her? Looks complicated? laughing
            And I am always with my homeland. With any leader, president, king. They are changing, the Fatherland remains. And she is always right and can count on my defense. I do not take away your right to do the same ....

            Very good! Although if we judge by yours according to your writings, you are more likely to harm your homeland. It is very doubtful whose side you are worth! By the way, our right, rights, etc. and have is our, no matter what your opinion or desire.
  40. earloop
    earloop 13 December 2017 01: 57 New
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    We pay too much attention to ex-brothers. For tomatoes and peppers: they built nuclear power plants, delivered MIGs, taught them, shared their experience ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 13 December 2017 10: 27 New
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      Yes, do not delete! Why so steam? You need to live easier, without unnecessary show-offs! laughing
      1. Victor Dubovitsky
        Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 13: 33 New
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        Quote: pytar
        Yes, do not delete! Why so steam? You need to live easier, without unnecessary show-offs! laughing

        A stateless state is a circus.
        1. pytar
          pytar 13 December 2017 15: 24 New
          +2
          A Ponte is a madhouse. laughing
  41. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 23: 03 New
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    Maksim,
    "Bulgaria as a country in UP will not earn much."

    That is, does not participate, will receive ears from a dead donkey. With what I congratulate.
  42. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 13 December 2017 23: 11 New
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    pytar,
    https://bezgin.su/articles/140-jenergetika/55857-
    solnechnye-jel-fy-kalifornii-chast-1
    http://aurora.network/forum/topic/55864-solnechny
    e-jel-fy-kalifornii-chast-2-krivaja-utki
    Ignoramus edification. Read and improve technical and economic knowledge.

    Briefly retelling the content, Green Energy does not replace the traditional one because it generates periodically, during the day when the wind or tide, but at that time the traditional energy does not turn off, because it is technically impossible, and thus generates excess energy.
    1. pytar
      pytar 14 December 2017 00: 34 New
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      The link for some reason does not open, but I know perfectly well what is at stake. Not from stats though. bully I would advise such "experts" like you to look for information about Russian developments in the topic of "green energy"! In the Russian Federation there are very interesting technological and scientific insights in this direction! And you know ... altenative energy will inevitably replace traditional. We can argue when and how, but it is inevitable! Just because there is no other way out for humanity! By the way, alternative energy is puzzled and controlled by thermonuclear fusion + all renewable energy sources! hi
      1. Victor Dubovitsky
        Victor Dubovitsky 14 December 2017 11: 16 New
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        Quote: pytar
        The link for some reason does not open, but I know perfectly well what is at stake. Not from stats though. bully I would advise such "experts" like you to look for information about Russian developments in the topic of "green energy"! In the Russian Federation there are very interesting technological and scientific insights in this direction! And you know ... altenative energy will inevitably replace traditional. We can argue when and how, but it is inevitable! Just because there is no other way out for humanity! By the way, alternative energy is puzzled and controlled by thermonuclear fusion + all renewable energy sources! hi



        Try the title of the article- "How [can] a modern society operate on solar and wind energy
        Read more at https://bezgin.su/articles/140-jenergetika/54968-
        kak-ne-mozhet-funktsionirovat-sovremennoe-obshhes
        tvo-na-solnechno-jenergii-i-jenergii-vetra "


        Or here:
        Home energy alternative - crime without punishment
        Read more at https://bezgin.su/articles/140-jenergetika/55009-
        domashnjaja-jenergo-al-ternativa-prestuplenie-bez
        -nakazanija

        You never have to rush to conclusions.
        Catchy proclamations always lie.
        1. pytar
          pytar 14 December 2017 12: 00 New
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          Thanks, read it! I have long been professionally I deal with these issues, so I am well aware of what and how to do it ... Articles contain extremely one-sided vision on the situation! In general, for some reason, they are obsessed with the problems associated with the use of "green energy", and do not talk about the progress in technology that humanity has made in recent years! For some reason, the authors quoted to you persistently insist that it is economically and technically impossible, unprofitable to use this energy, although nature itself has arisen, exists and is evolving precisely on the basis of a balance in the income-consumption of "green energy"! And no one, meanwhile, talks about the complete replacement of traditional energy with "green"! We are talking about a decrease in its share and a wider use of renewable sources! In addition, all opponents remove the "green energy" from alternative to energy! Alternative energy includes a huge range of measures to master new cleaner energy sources, such as controlled thermonuclear fusion or the extraction of solar energy from solar stations in orbit around the Earth! There are technological problems, but there is no doubt that they will be resolved in the foreseeable future! The efficiency of these systems is growing steadily! The problem with the cyclical and volatility of the flow of such energy will be solved through more advanced systems for its storage and distribution! Over the past 30 years, mankind has achieved such progress in technology and technology, which was not available in all previous history! To this is a steady increase in energy saving of consumption! Drilling and pumping oil, gas and coal from the breast of Mother Earth cannot be infinite! We upset the balance in nature! And she gets angry and takes revenge ... Either we learn to live in harmony with natural laws, or ... we disappear, like a dead end look! Of course, the forces that make crazy money on the extraction of hydrocarbons are sitting at the end of progress! They are replicating such articles as those that you quote Victor! But this is a topic for another conversation ... You can’t stop the progress, no matter how someone would like to!
          1. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 14 December 2017 14: 43 New
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            Quote: pytar
            Thanks, read it! I have long been professionally I deal with these issues, so I am well aware of what and how to do it ... Articles contain extremely one-sided vision on the situation! In general, for some reason, they are obsessed with the problems associated with the use of "green energy", and do not talk about the progress in technology that humanity has made in recent years! For some reason, the authors quoted to you persistently insist that it is economically and technically impossible, unprofitable to use this energy, although nature itself has arisen, exists and is evolving precisely on the basis of a balance in the income-consumption of "green energy"! And no one, meanwhile, talks about the complete replacement of traditional energy with "green"! We are talking about a decrease in its share and a wider use of renewable sources! In addition, all opponents remove the "green energy" from alternative to energy! Alternative energy includes a huge range of measures to master new cleaner energy sources, such as controlled thermonuclear fusion or the extraction of solar energy from solar stations in orbit around the Earth! There are technological problems, but there is no doubt that they will be resolved in the foreseeable future! The efficiency of these systems is growing steadily! The problem with the cyclical and volatility of the flow of such energy will be solved through more advanced systems for its storage and distribution! Over the past 30 years, mankind has achieved such progress in technology and technology, which was not available in all previous history! To this is a steady increase in energy saving of consumption! Drilling and pumping oil, gas and coal from the breast of Mother Earth cannot be infinite! We upset the balance in nature! And she gets angry and takes revenge ... Either we learn to live in harmony with natural laws, or ... we disappear, like a dead end look! Of course, the forces that make crazy money on the extraction of hydrocarbons are sitting at the end of progress! They are replicating such articles as those that you quote Victor! But this is a topic for another conversation ... You can’t stop the progress, no matter how someone would like to!

            You have mixed up the way of life of natural elements - the green leaf, many animals adapted to precisely the cyclic life with a way of human life independent of this. Some species show their cyclic method by cyclic movements in space, others by cyclic fading of activity.
            Which method do you prefer? How do you see the cyclical adaptation of industry in accordance with the cycles of nature? Man therefore became the highest being (after God, of course), because he learned to stockpile any kind of product for freedom and independence from nature.
            If you have any suggestions, let's speak out.
            1. pytar
              pytar 14 December 2017 16: 20 New
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              Either you do not understand, or I am expressing myself incorrectly ... Okay, we will write to the second. lol I compare the principle of the work of the future energy sector with the principles on which the existence of wildlife should be. And the technologies for achieving these principles are a separate and very broad topic. The goal of all these technologies is to convert energy to nature into electricity. Moreover, energy from natural resources comes cyclically (wind, sun /), and is converted into electricity also cyclically depending on consumption. It is now on such a principle that all systems in the energy sector work. It’s just that the cycles are different now, because the current sources are different! Now on a large scale mainly irreversible sources of energy are used (coal, oil, gas, uranium, etc. /), with the exclusion of water resources. Tomorrow will be used more returned sources of energy / sun, wind, wave centrals, thermal sources, etc. / and thermonuclear energy, which belongs to the non-returnable but it is so much that it can be considered unlimited. As a result, pollution by the breed should not stop completely, but at least sharply decrease. The main problem now is to increase the efficiency of power systems and the "closing cycle"! This implies that the share of products, machines / including those that will produce energy / will be produced from the "green" energy produced by himself! Hydrocarbons are too limited and indispensable for other purposes to burn them just like that in stoves. The world’s dependence on hydrocarbons will decrease dramatically, since most countries have unlimited access, for example, to solar energy! If I can supply solar batteries with an accumulator, and at an affordable price, why should I buy gas? If I have an electric car, why do I need gasoline? If I can heat, crawling around geothermal sipes, why should I drown with coal? Technology and now allow the conservation of electricity, although not in those industrial sizes that will be needed in the future! But there is no doubt that we will learn to do this! Whether there will be some supercapacitor storages, then gigamahovkovye energy storage or some chemical, there is a solution! Perhaps in the daytime we will produce hydrogen from water through electrolysis from solar batteries, and at night that hydrogen will produce electricity turning back into water ... Opportunities are very different now! 21 century will be the century of total electrification! Technology will allow the conversion of energy into electricity along the shortest path, giving high efficiency unattainable for today's classic energy systems. For some, everything seems like a distant future, but they are terribly mistaken ... All developed countries are already going this way! Colossal investments are made. In the EU, they are already starting regulatory transitions, banning the Far Eastern Economic Area! Nuclear power plants are not a panacea for the energy hunger of mankind! This is a very dangerous pike and waste from this industry for thousands of years will be a threat to humanity! No matter how they are buried in storage, no one can guarantee that in extreme situations, radioactive contamination will not work! Thermonuclear energy will take the place of nuclear power plants. It is assumed that it will not or will be in a much smaller degree to pollute nature, while it will give high efficiency, unattainable for nuclear power plants. It is clear that countries with large hydrocarbon reserves do not like this development, but those who are more astute and see the future are already putting their money into the development of "green energy"! In the middle of the 21 century, the most powerful energy states and companies will not be those who possess hydrocarbons in their assets, but those who have breakthrough competitive technologies for the extraction of energy from public sources - the Sun, Wind, Water, etc. Perhaps we are learning to extract enelgia from the Earth’s magnetic field! Everything is ahead and it will be soon ... The New Technological Revolution is Coming!
              1. Victor Dubovitsky
                Victor Dubovitsky 14 December 2017 17: 05 New
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                Quote: pytar
                Either you do not understand, or I am expressing myself incorrectly ... Okay, we will write to the second. lol I compare the principle of the work of the future energy sector with the principles on which the existence of wildlife should be. And the technologies for achieving these principles are a separate and very broad topic. The goal of all these technologies is to convert energy to nature into electricity. Moreover, energy from natural resources comes cyclically (wind, sun /), and is converted into electricity also cyclically depending on consumption. It is now on such a principle that all systems in the energy sector work. It’s just that the cycles are different now, because the current sources are different! Now on a large scale mainly irreversible sources of energy are used (coal, oil, gas, uranium, etc. /), with the exclusion of water resources. Tomorrow will be used more returned sources of energy / sun, wind, wave centrals, thermal sources, etc. / and thermonuclear energy, which belongs to the non-returnable but it is so much that it can be considered unlimited. As a result, pollution by the breed should not stop completely, but at least sharply decrease. The main problem now is to increase the efficiency of power systems and the "closing cycle"! This implies that the share of products, machines / including those that will produce energy / will be produced from the "green" energy produced by himself! Hydrocarbons are too limited and indispensable for other purposes to burn them just like that in stoves. The world’s dependence on hydrocarbons will decrease dramatically, since most countries have unlimited access, for example, to solar energy! If I can supply solar batteries with an accumulator, and at an affordable price, why should I buy gas? If I have an electric car, why do I need gasoline? If I can heat, crawling around geothermal sipes, why should I drown with coal? Technology and now allow the conservation of electricity, although not in those industrial sizes that will be needed in the future! But there is no doubt that we will learn to do this! Whether there will be some supercapacitor storages, then gigamahovkovye energy storage or some chemical, there is a solution! Perhaps in the daytime we will produce hydrogen from water through electrolysis from solar batteries, and at night that hydrogen will produce electricity turning back into water ... Opportunities are very different now! 21 century will be the century of total electrification! Technology will allow the conversion of energy into electricity along the shortest path, giving high efficiency unattainable for today's classic energy systems. For some, everything seems like a distant future, but they are terribly mistaken ... All developed countries are already going this way! Colossal investments are made. In the EU, they are already starting regulatory transitions, banning the Far Eastern Economic Area! Nuclear power plants are not a panacea for the energy hunger of mankind! This is a very dangerous pike and waste from this industry for thousands of years will be a threat to humanity! No matter how they are buried in storage, no one can guarantee that in extreme situations, radioactive contamination will not work! Thermonuclear energy will take the place of nuclear power plants. It is assumed that it will not or will be in a much smaller degree to pollute nature, while it will give high efficiency, unattainable for nuclear power plants. It is clear that countries with large hydrocarbon reserves do not like this development, but those who are more astute and see the future are already putting their money into the development of "green energy"! In the middle of the 21 century, the most powerful energy states and companies will not be those who possess hydrocarbons in their assets, but those who have breakthrough competitive technologies for the extraction of energy from public sources - the Sun, Wind, Water, etc. Perhaps we are learning to extract enelgia from the Earth’s magnetic field! Everything is ahead and it will be soon ... The New Technological Revolution is Coming!

                Renewable energy sources are not at all the same as natural ones. We take away gas only that which is in simple and accessible forms. But it is many times more in nature. And at least sulfur in the waters of the Black Sea, or methane in the form of ice at the bottom of the oceans. Immeasurably more. And the line has not reached him yet. Cyclic sources (you already understood what I was talking about) need accumulation so that spending ceases to be dependent. Further UNIFIED ELECTRICAL SUPPLY SYSTEMS, closed to the common earth. The sun shines on the Earth round the clock. And here in this direction no one has ever said his word. All this is extremely expensive. And it is difficult from the point of view of international agreements. We are very different and our interests are very different. We cannot agree on the contents of the monuments, well, what about .....
                1. pytar
                  pytar 14 December 2017 17: 30 New
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                  Yes! Everything is just like that! But the path is already clear! Reasonable intact in front of mankind, it’s not that it pulls out energy wherever it can be pulled out, but learns to extract it without polluting the nature! To live not at the expense of, but in sync with her! It is also true that the interests are different, but the need to solve such global problems will force people to agree among themselves. We have nowhere to go! Actually not like that and we are different! There are simply people for whom the earth is still flat, and there are those who know that it is round! lol The "spaceship" Earth, gives clear signals that it will not be tolerated for so long! bully Well there are different global trends about problem solving! There are forces who want to solve these problems through the artificial reduction of the population. They want to reformat the remaining diminished part of humanity into the 2 class / race of "gods" and biorobots fulfilling the whims of the "gods" /. And there are forces that believe that it is necessary to redistribute resources, so that they are enough for everyone. And with technology, mining and consumption due will drastically decrease! Must become nature-friendly, environmental, renewable.