What will China's expansion look like?

Today, modern China is not like the one that was 10-15 years ago. Then he was considered a country that has the cheapest labor in the world. Today, the average Chinese salary is significantly higher than the income of an ordinary Russian. Now the country with cheap labor is Russia. But, unlike China, our country has huge spaces that carry huge material resources. All this is very necessary for our eastern neighbor.

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[svp67]

Let us not go from one extreme to another. You need to understand that China is not our ally, but just a TRAVELER. And enough of these TALES, about the "fraternal" peoples, in the first place should be put the BENEFIT for Russia.

[Chichikov]

Quote: svp67

Let us not go from one extreme to another.

That's it! Want is not harmful. And it seems to me that not only in China, they know this. The cat also knows that there is sausage in the refrigerator, and would have enjoyed it with pleasure!

[svp67]

Quote: Chichikov

The cat also knows that there is sausage in the refrigerator, and would have enjoyed it with pleasure!

Sausage is still nothing, but when the cat knows that there is fat in the refrigerator, but in fact it is not there ... this is the problem.

[turbris]

Sivkov and I have long understood everything and his conclusions are absolutely not interesting.

[Meshchersky]

The fact that he has caiophobia is visible to the naked eye.

[aws4]

I don’t know how about his conclusions about what China wants and what his plans for Russia are, but when he gave his forecasts for Syria, he not only got into trouble but showed complete failure ...

[Alber]

Quote: aws4

I don’t know how about his conclusions about what China wants and what his plans for Russia are, but when he gave his forecasts for Syria, he not only got into trouble but showed complete failure ...

Do not put fingers in the mouth of the Chinese ... This is that locust

[aws4]

Yes, I don’t argue with this ... we have a dangerous neighbor

[Vasya Vassin]

Let's think, is it not more profitable for China to move to a place where it is warmer, and not into our adverse climatic conditions? Moreover, the enemy in his region is weaker than Russia, and does not possess nuclear weapons? Is it not more logical to assume that the CCP will follow the path of least resistance?

[rasteer]

China doesn't care where to move, let’s recall the capture of Tibet, which is an almost completely useless region, especially in the 50s, but it was captured. Siberia and the Far East in this regard are just paradise, the climate is better than Tibetan resources of all kinds, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. China is ready to fly to Southeast Asia, but so far we are holding it back, again, we are the United States and NATO. And this region is not so rich, and it is also extremely overpopulated. Arranging genocide for the Chinese is certainly not a problem, but so far they have to look back at the rest of the world’s strengths so as not to become outcasts like the DPRK.

[Slavors Gart]

Yes, it's all fairy tales - "overpopulated", the population is concentrated in large cities

[rasteer]

the population is concentrated in large cities

In China, this is almost the case, the population is concentrated in the region of great rivers and the coast, the reason is simple in Gobi or Tibet. factories no farming. The government tried to build modern cities from scratch in underdeveloped areas did not take off because in addition to housing, a source of livelihoods is needed.
I wrote about Southeast Asia, which is overpopulated due to the fact that there are few lands suitable for both agriculture and industry and the population density is huge.
Well, let’s say something to the figures. Amur Region ~ 361 thousand sq km population ~ 800 thousand people ~ 2 people per sq km
Vietnam ~ 331 thousand sq. Km population ~ 93 mil. ~ 273 people per sq km
What is there, Amur Region, all of Russia is only 142 mil. person. and density ~ 8 people per sq km

[BARKHAN]

Quote: rasteer

What is there, Amur Region, all of Russia is only 142 mil. person. and density ~ 8 people per sq km

As I understand it, you also contribute permafrost to these calculations? And I grew up there ... Oymyakonye, ​​Yakutia ... There, with all the desire, you don’t especially settle in. So that half of the calculations can be deleted, and even more can be deleted .
My personal opinion ... China is not our friend and not ally. We just have a common enemy.
The mistake of our authorities is the slow settlement of the Chinese Far East, creeping expansion.

[rasteer]

As I understand it, you also bring permafrost into these calculations?

Of course I submit, I just took the official data. But even if you subtract the Far North, the density does not increase much, 16 people / sq km is against Vietnam 273 people / sq km a trifle despite the fact that there is a jungle with a population density like in Chukotka.
And by the way, even in Tibet, the population density is higher than in the Amur Region, 2,55 h / sq km versus 2 people / sq km under incomparably more difficult living conditions. The trouble is
if the Chinese are allowed into the Arctic, they will build their own "Chinese paradise" there with a density higher than 2 people / sq. km and at the same time they will suck everything from oil to moss and snow. And this expansion unfortunately has already begun. And we still rejoice in Sobetta and the Power of Siberia. Well, this is a bit of a trick, about Chinese beds, and forest looting simply prefers to remain silent!

[saigon]

Well, with Tibet, China has scores oh, what a long time since the Tang Dynasty in China.
The Tibetans then drank a lot of blood.

[Alber]

Quote: Vasya Vassin

Let's think, is it not more profitable for China to move to a place where it is warmer, and not into our adverse climatic conditions? T

About the "climatic conditions":
China considers Siberia its territory illegally taken from him by Russia

[Pancir026]

Quote: Alber

China considers Siberia its territory illegally taken from him by Russia

Exactly? And who thinks so? You?

[dog breeder]

The first half of his life he lived next to China. Then the relationship with a neighbor was in a very difficult phase. Both countries evicted all people from border settlements. Border outposts were built in their place. But the old people still remembered the times when they went to drink tea over the river. But the propaganda of that time did not eat bread in vain, especially from that side. Our neighbors said that the number one enemy is the USA, the USSR is the number two enemy. First, we will break the enemy number two, then the enemy number one. My village is in a straight line about 25 kilometers. Its inhabitants had a joke that if China attacks the USSR, this village will last a week on its weapons.

[neoshef]

In my opinion, there are no fools in the ruling class in China. Everyone understands what all this is fraught with. As for resources, everything can be bought, and it will cost much less than to fight.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

Recall the war between China and Vietnam, how many times did it surpass the Vietnamese army there? The Russian Federation has the most powerful land group in the world, China is reducing its forces and increasing its navy, yes, it means that they want to fight with us, mb, they will take a chance in 50 years, but if in Russia there will be a devastation like 90, then of course, but if as of now - very unlikely.

[dDYHA]

China will “peacefully” take over. They constantly march army throws. So one day they jump to Baikal "there is the very wealth" for plain water. They will stop and say more truly they will not say anything, they will just stand and wait. What answer will the Russian Federation have for them? Yes, no.

[aws4]

naively believe ... yes, the population of the economy and opportunities are smaller, but if it does, as you describe, believe it, they’ll apply and don’t be shy, because in essence it will already be the final point of Russia as a world power ... China will not do that. . will be peaceful expansion

[- = ANTRAX = -]

about 17 years ago it was necessary to jump.

[Gloomy]

I have many friends of the military, and they all say, that China would not want Russian land, they would not trample the war for one reason, for one simple reason, there are no matter how many Chinese there are nuclear missiles, and what kind of economy they have. From a leading economic power, they can quickly return to the Stone Age.

[Alber]

Quote: Moody

that as if China did not want Russian land, they would not trample for nothing, for one simple reason, nuclear missiles do not care how many Chinese there are, and what kind of economy they have.

God forbid that we have enough nuclear missiles, like bombs, with a reserve tenfold both to China and to other aggressors wishing to seize our lands

[NF68]

The Chinese will come not in large groups. Millions that way on 5 in each. But seriously, when the Chinese become truly developed in terms of industry and everything that the state is connected with, then who knows how they will behave.

[Belarus is Russia]

China has not developed its territories.
But this does not mean that we will like to believe this and that. We will always be on the lookout everywhere. We are Russian Orthodox, Russia Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox. And we will not give anything to anyone from Russia Russian Orthodox!

[Semen Petrov]

The average Chinese wage is still lower than the average Russian, and significantly. Another thing is that there are a lot of them, and there are much more rich Chinese than Russians in general. A cheap labor in China, rampart. In addition, they have nearby Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and all the countries of Africa, where the labor force is almost gratuitous. So the main thesis of the article on which it is based is incorrect.

[asr55]

What kind of doctor is the Academy of Sciences, they write one thing or another.

[velpro]

another delirium next yksperta

[Sevega]

Somehow I read about the fact that in our western territory of Russia artillery stores are mainly stored in ammunition and armor-piercing ammunition, and to the east high-explosive-fragmentation urals ... this is just in case of the expansion of different large nationalities

[Ray Rinov]

Yes, but there is a nuance. For several thousand years, China has not attacked anyone. And so, yes, continue to get scared. Siberia must be mastered, and not scarecrows from a finger to suck.

[Balagan]

And the state of Tibet was captured by China several thousand years ago in 1950? And didn’t attack Vietnam in the 1980s?

[saigon]

So, the Chinese troops reached the Ferghana Valley without attack, and reached Cambodia. This is for not attacking anyone, just for example the scope of not attacking

[Yeti]

There will be no expansion. Nonsense is all and a sick imagination.

[Balagan]

The Chinese are not our enemies, but not friends. He has his own interests. As long as his interests are in passing to ours, everything is wonderful. Where they diverge - we'll see ... But for some reason this does not cause enthusiasm for me ...

[Sasha333]

You guys are young and don’t know many things. Somehow, there was a transmission around the box about China in 1982, so their maps were shown and their border was marked up to the Urals. Everything was indicated in yellow. They lurk and wait. They have at the moment for what someone will say about the northern territories put in jail. But we already fought with them 7526 years ago. And the so-called Chinese wall was built, only the real wall almost destroyed by time a little further.

[Ilja2016]

Quote: Sasha333

You guys are young and don’t know many things. Somehow, there was a transmission around the box about China in 1982, so their maps were shown and their border was marked up to the Urals. Everything was indicated in yellow. They lurk and wait. They have at the moment for what someone will say about the northern territories put in jail. But we already fought with them 7526 years ago. And the so-called Chinese wall was built, only the real wall almost destroyed by time a little further.

You better not write such nonsense

[rasteer]

Well, at the expense of the border to the Urals, this is not rubbish, but rather Chinese desa, so give them the scale of the Mongol Empire ... Europe will not be taken iba then there will be no one to sell their "exclusives"

[Ilja2016]

Quote: NF68

The Chinese will come not in large groups. Millions that way on 5 in each. But seriously, when the Chinese become truly developed in terms of industry and everything that the state is connected with, then who knows how they will behave.

Don't worry don't

[Ilja2016]

Quote: dDYHA

China will “peacefully” take over. They constantly march army throws. So one day they jump to Baikal "there is the very wealth" for plain water. They will stop and say more truly they will not say anything, they will just stand and wait. What answer will the Russian Federation have for them? Yes, no.

Do you know the Suvorov proverb? Beat not with number, but with skill

[Ilja2016]

Quote: Vasya Vassin

Let's think, is it not more profitable for China to move to a place where it is warmer, and not into our adverse climatic conditions? Moreover, the enemy in his region is weaker than Russia, and does not possess nuclear weapons? Is it not more logical to assume that the CCP will follow the path of least resistance?

totally agree with you

[Ilja2016]

Quote: rasteer

Siberia and the Far East in this regard are just paradise

Do you think you are writing ????? !!!!! Well go there

[rasteer]

I think and analyze, unlike you. Take the climate map of South Siberia and the Far East and compare it with the Maps of Tibet or Shinjian-Uyghur Autonomous Okrug and if you do not have a deuce in geography at school, you will understand that there is, that You can also compare maps of agricultural land, forest resources and minerals ((well, it seems like they found oil in Shinjiang), but recently, and China has been holding onto it for a long time), a very indicative comparison. So it’s better as they say to you in Tibet for permanent residence than they are to us in the Far East