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Report: The US can lose the Russian war, despite significant advantage

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The Pentagon is lagging behind the modernization process of the armed forces of its main opponents and is not able to sufficiently confront the challenges in Europe and Asia, leads RIA News results of the study of the American center Rand.




According to the report, Russia and China now represent two main challenges to the national interests of the United States. The authors called these two countries "strong rivals," whose capabilities "increased significantly."

The study notes that the Pentagon continues to use the strategy of "two regional wars" in planning, although in the current situation, the military must prepare for "one big war."

This gap is partly due to the fact that US forces today are too large to participate in one main war, and they are also unable to keep pace with the modernization of their rivals, the great powers. The United States does not have sufficient resources to cope with the main challenges in Europe and East Asia, is not sufficiently prepared to maximize the operational benefits of many of its existing units,
write experts.

"According to estimates of this report, the US may, with certain probabilistic assumptions, lose the future war, despite the fact that the power ratio of the United States and China is 2,7 to 1, and the USA and Russia are 6 to 1," the document says.
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  1. Hunter
    Hunter 10 December 2017 09: 15 New
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    If we agree with China, no one will be afraid of us militarily and economically ..
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 10 December 2017 09: 27 New
      16
      Except China? What is our Far East mastering! Without war.
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint 10 December 2017 09: 32 New
        51
        do not carry nonsense please. and then we on the Far East are already scared to live)
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 10 December 2017 11: 30 New
          +4
          May there be no winners in the war neither the USA with Russia, nor the USA with the union of Russia and China.
          And there will be no neutrals. In general, there will be no one. Only radioactive ashes.
          And the statements of American experts "we are behind" - this is only for knocking out the budget. US military clans have the strongest corruption lobby in government.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 10 December 2017 11: 43 New
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            Quote: Shurik70
            Only radioactive ashes.

            Well, yes, radioactive ashes also remained in the war between England and Argentina. Local conflicts are local for that. There will be no global war. Enough sanctions at the EU level will lead to the whole economy of Russia go to dust in a couple of years. Well, of course, not such sanctions as now as with Iran, for example, up to a ban on banking operations
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 10 December 2017 11: 52 New
              +3
              But the conversation is about a global war. Yes, and a local conflict - in the Caribbean crisis, the United States even fought with Cuba, but it almost ended in the Last War. It would be better not to fight at all. But for this it is necessary to destroy the clans of the military industrial complex in the United States. Putin will not risk such a thing.
            2. sir_obs
              sir_obs 10 December 2017 12: 02 New
              +4
              Iran does not. There were nuclear weapons, otherwise he would have responded to these sanctions.
              When you are driven into a corner, there is simply nothing to lose. There will be chaos in your country or chaos can be created on a global scale. If there is such a choice, then the answer is obvious.
              Impossible local conflict between nuclear powers. Say, if you have a gun in your pocket and they beat you, but you understand that they’ll kill you, you won’t use it? It is impossible to negotiate with the gopniks, they need to give back and better than heavier.
              War will still be. Only if they achieve the collapse of our country, then they will deal with it, as with Yugoslavia.
            3. sogdy
              sogdy 10 December 2017 12: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: Pilat2009
              Enough sanctions at the EU level are needed to ensure that in a couple of years the entire Russian economy goes to dust.

              How do you imagine this, if under the existing sanctions, individual lands and countries of the European Union trade contrary to sanctions? Banks? So they are American in essence. In reality, settlement between countries goes by barter. And barter can be described not only in dollars / euros.
              Let us suppose. We will collapse this New NEP, and where will the European Union go? Trying to rob Poland and the Czech Republic / Moravia?
            4. Letun
              Letun 10 December 2017 13: 00 New
              +6
              Quote: Pilat2009
              Enough sanctions at the level of the European Union are carried out so that in a couple of years the entire Russian economy will go to dust. Well, of course, not the same sanctions as now, but as with Iran, for example, up to a ban on banking operations

              Well, our energy carriers will cease to supply Europe in response. What will become of her after that? Germany is definitely full zdets come. And it will be difficult for us, yes, but the World consists not only of Europe and the USA. So it’s dragging ... By the way, the example you cited by Iran keeps you invigorating, over there, how the Jews and Sauddites are afraid of it wink
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 December 2017 19: 20 New
                +3
                “Well, our energy carriers will cease to supply Europe in response. What will become of it after that?” ////

                Nothing will be. They will pay 20-30% more for liquefied gas. and all things. They have money. Gas in the global market in bulk.
                1. sharp-lad
                  sharp-lad 10 December 2017 22: 33 New
                  0
                  In this case, not by 20 - 30%, but by all 50%, if not more! When one of the main players leaves the market, the rest will not be shy and will return everything that they did not take away by artificially raising oil prices and losing them for many years. By the way, this is the second time.
                2. Letun
                  Letun 11 December 2017 06: 59 New
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                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Nothing will be. They will pay 20-30% more for liquefied gas. and all things. They have money. Gas in the global market in bulk.

                  Well, of course wink And the infrastructure for supplies? It seems that a person with such a flag near a nickname should understand such basic things lol Gas in bulk, yes, but how to bring it to the end consumer? And what will happen to German industry until this issue is resolved?
                3. sogdy
                  sogdy 11 December 2017 07: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Nothing will be. They will pay 20-30% more for liquefied gas. and all things.

                  Liquefied gas is not suitable for synthesis. For it is purified and does not contain what gas is taken for. Europe will break through for heating, in its own way, without liquefied gas. And here is the industry seams. Medicines, plastic, pitch of any complexity from abrasive to powder metallurgy, especially silicon-containing, optocommutation, telephone - these are all synthetics.
                  The basics of synthesis technology - a textbook 1 course technical school of petrochemical synthesis. Everything is there. Not so explicitly, but also indicated in the school textbook on chemistry.
                4. White and fluffy
                  White and fluffy 12 December 2017 05: 35 New
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                  They will pay more for gas; the cost of goods will increase; the revenue with it will decrease competitiveness.
          2. Idunavs
            Idunavs 10 December 2017 14: 06 New
            0
            You probably don’t understand them as “lagging behind.” They say that they cannot destroy us, and they don’t have anything for it.
          3. yashka12007
            yashka12007 10 December 2017 16: 12 New
            0
            Yes, you stop telling horror stories about ashes and nuclear winter. Take a trip to Hiroshima and see where the ashes are. At the epicenter, the children walk and the roses bloom or the Totsky training ground, there even after the explosion radiation was zilch. And most importantly, those who are supposed to know this, but why the horror stories open is unknown.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 11 December 2017 07: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: yashka12007
              Yes, you stop the horror stories about the ashes and nuclear winter talk.

              The very first book of Ivan Efremov, not science fiction, but a fictionalized report by the head of the exposition, “On the Roads of Kara-Dag”. Everything is there. Who, how, why and how much.
        2. Elevator
          Elevator in the building 10 December 2017 14: 21 New
          +2
          yes, scary, the Chinese in the Irkutsk region are more than enough to pose a threat in the event of a conflict But even without war they pose a great threat: they are buying up land, enterprises, and predatory are in the taiga! I live in Bratsk.
          1. Hammerlock
            Hammerlock 10 December 2017 14: 31 New
            +1
            there are many Chinese everywhere and in the same USA
            The Chinese in the USA make up 22,4% of the country's Asian population. In 2006, their number was estimated at 3,6 million people.
            and this is without illegal immigrants
          2. Black5Raven
            Black5Raven 10 December 2017 20: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Hiss
            But even without war they pose a great threat: they are buying up land, enterprises, predatory are taiga! I live in Bratsk.

            An example from Belarus - they buy hotels, some "standing" enterprises and lands, build the "Big Stone" under the joyful squeals of the leadership of the Republic of Belarus and send thousands of their workers here, in some places the result of work has already pulled.

            Sent to build power lines for nuclear power plants and what is the result? By spring, the part fell, tilted, etc., it was possible to track the movements of the Chinese through garbage heaps in our forests, where all kinds of waste and toxic waste were dumped. We recovered only after the noise of environmentalists. Is the situation different in the Far East? I don’t think so, only control is even less.
            1. CAT BAIYUN
              CAT BAIYUN 11 December 2017 00: 10 New
              +5
              By spring, the part fell, tilted, etc., it was possible to track the movements of the Chinese through garbage heaps in our forests, where all kinds of waste and toxic waste were dumped. We recovered only after the noise of environmentalists.

              And where did you read such fears?
              Do not litter people's brains.
              Guess please in another place.
              1. Black5Raven
                Black5Raven 11 December 2017 00: 20 New
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                https://news.tut.by/society/500449.html

                Yes, even here, enjoy.
          3. sogdy
            sogdy 11 December 2017 07: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Hiss
            there are more than enough Chinese in the Irkutsk region

            Quote: Hiss
            buying up land, predatory enterprises belong to the taiga! I live in Bratsk.

            Sucked from a finger?
            Land is not for sale. What enterprises in Bratsk did the Chinese buy?
            Local people mow the forest and deliver it themselves across the border.
            Or call it specifically: that, there, then, then, the volume and for how much.
      2. Sail
        Sail 10 December 2017 09: 37 New
        +8
        Wow ... Why fight when you can take a creeping expansion. Good morning, Ragnar hi
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 10 December 2017 09: 43 New
          10
          Good morning, Alex! hi
          People, a little higher, say that everything suits them! That there are no Chinese! When I have a little different information ...
          1. Sail
            Sail 10 December 2017 09: 57 New
            +5
            Well, and health, since they are happy with everything, it's a matter of the household. If they don’t give a damn about themselves, then all the more it should be violet for them ..
          2. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint 10 December 2017 10: 10 New
            +6
            there is. but Uzbeks Tajiks, etc. more)))
          3. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint 10 December 2017 10: 12 New
            +9
            and who said what suits you? ))) just what you call expansion, to put it mildly, does not correspond to the truth)
            1. Logall
              Logall 10 December 2017 10: 16 New
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              Man, this is not expansion yet! I left Magadan in 2004, They were there then ... And they give birth to children who are citizens of Russia! They themselves are fruitful. You know how fast ... This will be an expansion!
              1. cariperpaint
                cariperpaint 10 December 2017 10: 25 New
                +4
                since that time, much has changed) they are of course, but now they are several times smaller.
              2. sogdy
                sogdy 10 December 2017 11: 01 New
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                Quote: Logall
                They were there then ... And they give birth to children who are citizens of Russia! They themselves produce Know how fast ...

                Uzbekism!
                At us all "breed" with the same speed. Being, you know, determines.
                In addition, we are not the United States, we do not automatically receive citizenship. It is strange that you do not know about this.
                1. Logall
                  Logall 10 December 2017 11: 50 New
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                  A child born in the territory of the Russian Federation automatically becomes a citizen of the Russian Federation! Read the laws ...
                  As it is customary to say here - `` learn the materiel! ''
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 10 December 2017 12: 21 New
                    +5
                    Read. No, only after proof of citizenship or permanent residence of his parents in the Russian Federation. Go to the registry office, enlighten.
                    Already about 5 years. Tajiks first massively ran into.
                  2. bk316
                    bk316 11 December 2017 18: 10 New
                    +2
                    A child born in the territory of the Russian Federation automatically becomes a citizen of the Russian Federation!

                    You read it and do not disgrace. am
                    Article 12. Federal Law On Citizenship.

                    Or maybe you mixed up with the states? Sleeping ...
                    And someone else is plus.
                    1. ZVO
                      ZVO 11 December 2017 20: 54 New
                      0
                      Quote: bk316
                      A child born in the territory of the Russian Federation automatically becomes a citizen of the Russian Federation!

                      You read it and do not disgrace. am
                      Article 12. Federal Law On Citizenship.

                      Or maybe you mixed up with the states? Sleeping ...
                      And someone else is plus.


                      Section 12 of the RF Citizenship Law states.
                      d) both of his parents living in the territory of the Russian Federation are foreign citizens or stateless persons, provided that the child was born in the territory of the Russian Federation, and the states whose parents are citizens do not grant him their citizenship.

                      So learn the materiel yourself ...
      3. tralmaster.
        tralmaster. 10 December 2017 10: 51 New
        +6
        Where do you live? Have you ever been to the Far East or the horror stories from Ren. Do you judge TV?
      4. tolmachiev51
        tolmachiev51 11 December 2017 05: 06 New
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        Where does this nonsense come from among the people !!! ??? There are more Chinese in Moscow than in the entire Far East.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 10 December 2017 09: 32 New
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      Quote: Hunter
      If we agree with China, no one will be afraid of us militarily and economically

      What kind of psychology do you have, like the Ukrainians - "Yes, we together with Europe, we are not afraid of anyone" And we "We with China will defeat everyone" There is no "Us with China" China is the same opponent as the United States. Even more dangerous since it’s trickier
      1. Hunter
        Hunter 10 December 2017 09: 41 New
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        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Hunter
        If we agree with China, no one will be afraid of us militarily and economically

        What kind of psychology do you have, like the Ukrainians - "Yes, we together with Europe, we are not afraid of anyone" And we "We with China will defeat everyone" There is no "Us with China" China is the same opponent as the United States. Even more dangerous since it’s trickier

        I wrote we will agree, but not to bow .. And this is a big difference! But the Chinese are very fond of scaring us the United States and our liberalism ..
        China knows that if we soak them at once ..

        And treat us with respect ..
        1. Sail
          Sail 10 December 2017 09: 44 New
          +6
          laughing Is this all Comrade Xi Jingping told you in a confidential conversation?
          1. Hunter
            Hunter 10 December 2017 10: 04 New
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            Quote: Segel
            laughing Is this all Comrade Xi Jingping told you in a confidential conversation?

            China in the most difficult period supported Russia at the UN, when we were severely persecuted! And our liberals here arranged sabbaths in the swamp ...
            Now Russia feels a lot more confident and can already conduct its policy without support .. Here are such things in the Strategic Missile Forces!
            PS / And your jokes and people like you are no longer even funny ..
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 10 December 2017 11: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Hunter
              Hunter

              These fishing rods play on the fact that many peoples of Siberia and the Far East are roughly Chinese. In addition, there are a number of Chinese families who are recognized for their right to return. Those are the very red Chinese.
              Yes, and the Udot people don’t know the history, they don’t know that a significant part of those killed in the Civil War and exemption from Japanese-American intervention are Northern Chinese, Manchurians and Moguls, of those who have never lived in China and associate themselves with the Buryats and Udega.
              But some of the udotas, especially stubborn, are toucans.
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      2. Pirogov
        Pirogov 10 December 2017 10: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        What kind of psychology do you have, like the Ukrainians - "Yes, we together with Europe, we are not afraid of anyone" And we "We with China will defeat everyone" There is no "Us with China" China is the same opponent as the United States. Even more dangerous since it’s trickier

        Are the Chinese more dangerous than the Anglo-Saxons? Is it possible in more detail?
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 10 December 2017 10: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Pirogov
          Are the Chinese more dangerous than the Anglo-Saxons? Is it possible in more detail?

          This is a very extensive topic, over several dozen pages of text. For Russia, the Anglo-Saxons are an old enemy, we know what we can expect, and are ready for this (almost always). The Chinese, like all exterminating locusts, I’m not sure that we know what to do with it
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 10 December 2017 15: 01 New
            +7
            Alex, welcome hi There was already an experience of a clash in Damansky. Both sides of the conflict have drawn relevant conclusions. There is experience on both sides of the border, if it is not repeated, then the conclusions are correct. IMHO of course.
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 10 December 2017 16: 19 New
              +2
              Good day hi
              Quote: Svarog51
              There was already an experience of a clash in Damansky. Both sides of the conflict have drawn relevant conclusions.

              Unfortunately,. in Damansky was a completely different China and another Russia
            2. Black5Raven
              Black5Raven 10 December 2017 20: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Svarog51
              There is experience on both sides of the border, if it is not repeated, then the conclusions are correct. IMHO of course.

              The union has demonstrated to China that it will respond by force and demonstrated it. Now he does not need this, because there are completely different "bloodless" methods.
    3. Skif83
      Skif83 10 December 2017 10: 18 New
      +4
      It is better that no one was afraid of ourselves, including and China!
      Russia, as you know, has two allies ..., China is not among them. Unless, as temporary.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 10 December 2017 11: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Skif83
        Russia, as you know, has two allies

        Are you also from the Udot?
        Russia has three allies - the army, aviation and navy.
        Do not "quote" unreliable sources.
    4. iouris
      iouris 10 December 2017 10: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Hunter
      If we agree with China

      The Chinese do not intend to negotiate with anyone, but they certainly do not intend to: we are no longer at the Russian Olympics. Demography in the Russian Federation shows the most realistic forecast for its development.
      1. Hunter
        Hunter 10 December 2017 10: 57 New
        +7
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: Hunter
        If we agree with China

        The Chinese do not intend to negotiate with anyone, but they certainly do not intend to: we are no longer at the Russian Olympics. Demography in the Russian Federation shows the most realistic forecast for its development.

        Just do not need to whine, tired of reading all this already ...
        A subtle hint that Russia is better on its knees in front of the United States ..? I understood you correctly ..

        PS In the 90s they got up already and did everything that they "recommended" to us .. They didn’t choke on their blood .. (further on, obscene expressions, men know ..)
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 10 December 2017 10: 52 New
      +5
      It is possible and necessary to negotiate with China. But at the same time:
      - strengthening the Eastern Military District
      - and creating joint economic projects
      1. Hunter
        Hunter 10 December 2017 12: 00 New
        +6
        Quote: To be or not to be
        It is possible and necessary to negotiate with China. But at the same time:
        - strengthening the Eastern Military District
        - and creating joint economic projects

        What we are doing there is enough modern weapons .. And also the Strategic Missile Forces in the taiga, just in case.
        The article was here a long time ago (short) that China placed its ICBM mines near the borders of Russia (under the protection of our missile defense ..) That's where the trust is!
      2. Monos
        Monos 10 December 2017 12: 36 New
        10
        I read the comments of the heated debate between supporters and opponents of the alliance with China, and slightly went crazy. Comrades, why this radicalism? Look at the map and you will see the two largest countries in Eurasia. What does this mean? And this means that in the course of the historical process (which is characterized by the enlargement of state entities) we were the most successful civilizations on the continent. Further development should lead to the fact that we must in one form or another absorb the other formations. Perhaps in the form of absorption, perhaps in the form of all kinds of Unions. But the whole charm is that we and China are developing in different ways. China builds, trades, works. We are at war. These are different mentalities and different historical paths. China entangles counterparties with trade ties, they come to us for protection. We need each other. The Chinese industrial base and our combat potential complement each other and make such an alliance sustainable. P. Indos are trying to pull on both of these functions, and this will destroy them. My opinion: our alliance with China is inevitable. The main thing is that both parties clearly understand their function and honestly implement it.
        Perhaps this is a simplified and slightly primitive look. But this is how I see the situation.
        1. Elevator
          Elevator in the building 10 December 2017 14: 44 New
          +3
          I would like to believe in your "beautiful fairy tale about the mansion", that's just the whole history of mankind in general, and the development of peoples and states in particular, smirking and hinting - it’s not harmful to dream .. What you offer is called - caste. And this is something we are trying to get rid of with all our might, but sooner or later, any capitalist system, and even "Chinese communism" will come to. It is simply predetermined by him. And to us, if we do not change the system! And yes, he himself has not yet fallen into the mood of “FSE is gone,” but the development trends of our society are alarming and depressing.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 December 2017 19: 29 New
          +4
          "should lead to the fact that we must in one form or another absorb the other formations" ///

          So far, the trend is exactly the opposite. The eastern bloc disintegrated, the USSR disintegrated. The socialist countries led by the USSR were covered. The population of Russia is not growing.
          To absorb (and fight), rapid growth of the economy and population is needed. China has it, by the way. wink
          1. Monos
            Monos 10 December 2017 20: 25 New
            +5
            Quote: voyaka uh
            To absorb (and fight), rapid growth of the economy and population is needed.

            Not necessary. Siberia and the Far East were at one time absorbed without this.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The population of Russia is not growing.

            Yes, this is a problem. And they know about her, and work on her decision. But, after all, I did not speak about the conquest of land. I talked about "takeover," meaning peaceful accession. As, in fact, most of the land was acquired by Russia. And for this, an excess of the population is not needed. In addition, I did not in vain say that this can happen in the form of the Union.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The eastern bloc disintegrated, the USSR disintegrated

            But Russia has remained. smile The only case in history when the Empire after its collapse retains its core and regains its influence.
            I'm lying. Not the only one. The first time this happened to us in the 1917 year. How did it all end?
        3. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 10 December 2017 20: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Monos
          Look at the map and you will see the two largest countries in Eurasia. What does this mean? And this means that in the course of the historical process (which is characterized by the enlargement of state entities) we were the most successful civilizations on the continent.

          Let's look at the map of Russia and see that most of it is not the most successful area for life, well, except maybe with resources.
          China - mountainous or desert areas that are not needed for nothing.

          The Mongols used to have huge territory under their control, did this mean that they were the most successful civilizations on the continent? Persia maybe? Or the British Empire with colonies all over the planet? Does this mean that they were the most successful? Or maybe take a look at Australia - the entire continent is under their control, they must be incredibly successful in this case. Territories are not a sign of success, at least not the only one.

          Quote: Monos
          we were the most successful civilizations on the continent.

          The most successful formations are not crushed into pieces five times a day. That RI broke up, that the Union, that now the RF is in a fever. China - at first it was slaughtered by anyone (and RI too), which later on the kingdoms of princes and so on.

          Quote: Monos
          Further development should lead to the fact that we must in one form or another absorb the other formations.

          When someone wants to devour their neighbors, the latter usually unite themselves and give the "great devourer" a mustache if there is enough strength. History confirms.

          Quote: Monos
          But the whole charm is that we and China are developing in different ways. China builds, trades, works. We are at war. These are different mentalities and different historical paths.

          And as Hiss correctly mentioned, you are offering a caste. Born in a caste, die in it. Who wants to be from the untouchable caste? Wishing to queue!
          Turn into humanoid ants.

          Quote: Monos
          My opinion: our alliance with China is inevitable. The main thing is that both parties clearly understand their function and honestly implement it.

          Dreams Dreams . Two spiders will not survive in one jar, especially if one of them is old and sick.
          1. Monos
            Monos 10 December 2017 22: 12 New
            +6
            Quote: Black5Raven
            and especially if one of them is old and sick

            laughing How many such "diagnosticians" we have already experienced ... And do not count.
            "Russia is a colossus with feet of clay." - L.F. de Segur, French diplomat (1784 - 1789)
            "The Russians rotted before they matured." - Denis Didro, French philosopher (1713 - 1784 gg.)
            "As for Russia, it can only be mentioned as the owner of a huge amount of stolen property, which she will have to give back on the day of reckoning." - Friedrich Engels
            "The Russians ... may for a moment become victors in the field of brute force, but they cannot become victors in the field of thought. And a people that is not able to teach anything to the conquered peoples will not remain strong for long." - Marquis Astolf de Custine, French writer, traveler (1790 - 1857 gg.) "La Russie en 1839"
            I will not quote the Nazis. You Russophobes can bark at Russia as much as you like. You and the memory of you will decay, and it will stand and spit on you. smile
            1. Black5Raven
              Black5Raven 11 December 2017 00: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Monos
              How many such "diagnosticians" we have already experienced ... And do not count.

              Quote: Monos
              You Russophobes

              Greater Russophobia than ardent patriots, it is difficult to find. You are a good proof of this fact. Denial of facts and hatred help the country very well.

              Quote: Monos
              Not necessary. Siberia and the Far East were at one time absorbed without this.

              Siberia was inhabited by a few tribes, technologically inferior to the newcomers and there were no other people who wanted to have time to share the pie / did not have access to Siberia. From the north - the ocean, from the south - deserts and mountains. West - Russia, East - the ocean and apathetic Chinese.


              Quote: Monos
              And they know about her, and work on her decision.

              If measures are meant to increase the growth of citizens of CA and Asia, then yes.

              Quote: Monos
              As, in fact, most of the land was acquired by Russia.

              Siberia is a conquest. The Caucasus is a conquest. Crimea - recaptured from the Tatars. Finns - repulsed by the Swedes. Ukraine / Belarus - part of the wars in the ON / RP, the rest is in the RP section. They bought the Baltic states - yes.

              Quote: Monos
              The first time this happened to us in 1917. How did it all end?

              By the tens of millions who died from the war, civil, famine, epidemic of the Spanish woman, and this is before the start of the Second World War.
              Quote: Monos
              But Russia has remained. The only case in history when the Empire after its collapse retains its core and regains its influence.

              The only one, of course. And about the restoration of influence, too, "true." Only the lazy does not hit.
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 11 December 2017 07: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Black5Raven
                Siberia was inhabited by a few tribes, technologically inferior to the newcomers and there were no other people who wanted to have time to share the pie / did not have access to Siberia. From the north - the ocean, from the south - deserts and mountains. West - Russia, East - the ocean and apathetic Chinese.

                Or maybe learn a story, and not set forth Western training manuals?
                The Russian literary (state!) Language is the language of the Adans from the north of Lake Baikal, and not "Muscovites". Pisarev, Stolypin - from the Adans.
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 December 2017 12: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Hunter
      If we agree with China, no one will be afraid of us militarily and economically ..


      No need to negotiate with him. It's pointless. It is necessary that China simply knows about the guaranteed mutual destruction, then it simply will not climb.

      So, militarily, everything is simple and clear.
      1. Hunter
        Hunter 10 December 2017 12: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Geisenberg
        It is necessary that China simply knows about the guaranteed mutual destruction, then it simply will not climb.

        We kind of already explained to them in the recent past secret "Hurricanes" .. Remember!
        In general, I have not seen a single Chinese in my eyes .. hehe laughing
        Show me it and I will drink with him for friendship and for life I’ll talk .. And we will understand each other, even without knowing the language .. drinks
        And then some Jews here are clever and scare us .. hi
  2. volodya
    volodya 10 December 2017 09: 16 New
    16
    They always need a war, they don’t want to negotiate!
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 10 December 2017 09: 22 New
      +3
      Egg frying pan? Original drinks
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 December 2017 12: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: volodya
      They always need a war, they don’t want to negotiate!


      No need to substitute eggs for mosquitoes.
      1. volodya
        volodya 10 December 2017 14: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Geisenberg
        No need to substitute eggs for mosquitoes.

        It is necessary to make sure that these mosquitoes are sitting with the Americans, then they will agree! By the way, Eun is a good mosquito!
  3. Sergey53
    Sergey53 10 December 2017 09: 18 New
    +7
    Why can they? They will lose it for sure. All power is in the truth, as Sergei Bodrov said.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 10 December 2017 09: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Sergey53
      All power is in the truth, as Sergei Bodrov said.

      This is understandable, but Hitler believed that beyond the Volga there was no Russian Earth, but there. Wake up, lay down and back, by the bed while the wife is sleeping bully
    2. volodya
      volodya 10 December 2017 09: 31 New
      +5
      Reluctant to remember the Vietnam War, otherwise they parted, won two world wars, brought communism to its knees!
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 10 December 2017 10: 08 New
        +4
        They made their modest contribution to the victory, that in the First, that in the Second World War, at the end of the wars, when the results were already predicted. But in the camp of the winners were. Jackals!
        1. Sergey53
          Sergey53 10 December 2017 10: 40 New
          +2
          They not only made their way to the winners camp, but also strive to try on the leader’s crown there.
        2. Korolev
          Korolev 10 December 2017 11: 37 New
          +1
          And what contribution did they make to the victory in the Cold War?
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 10 December 2017 12: 12 New
            +2
            Dollar. We still cannot get rid of this mass.
            1. Korolev
              Korolev 10 December 2017 12: 13 New
              0
              So in the USSR, the circulation of the dollar was prohibited.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 10 December 2017 16: 11 New
                +5
                That's right, but it concerned citizens, but not Sberbank. Vnesheconombank worked with currency very successfully.
    3. ZVO
      ZVO 10 December 2017 10: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey53
      Why can they? They will lose it for sure. All power is in the truth, as Sergei Bodrov said.


      Adults and wise people. they say this: "Everyone has their own truth."
      Bodrov’s words are pure populism to the fragile minds of 15-year-old infantiles ...
      1. masterovoy
        masterovoy 10 December 2017 10: 28 New
        +5
        True, everyone has the same thing, but every nation has its own special lie, which he calls his ideals.
        Posted by: Romain Rolland
        You have to live with the truth, just like in a fire: neither move very close so as not to burn, nor go far enough to keep it cold.
        Posted by: Diogenes
        Truth sometimes wins, already ceasing to be truth.
        Author: Stanislav Jerzy Lets
        Periodically, people stumble over the truth and fall, but most then get up and hurry on, as if nothing had happened.
        Author: Winston Churchill
        Not every power stands for truth, but truth always reports about itself by force.
        Author: Prishvin M. M.
        The best brainwashing agent is the truth.
        Posted by: Lily Tomlin
        People who hate the truth also hate people who have the courage to speak it.
        Francois Fenelon

        There is no truth on earth, but no truth above.
        Author: Pushkin A. S.
        If you tell people only the truth, sooner or later you will be caught in this.
        Posted by: Oscar Wilde
        Sometimes it is easier to award a prize than to admit that it is right.
        Author: Stanislav Jerzy Lets
        There are few people for whom the truth would not sound like an insult.
        Author: Sophia Segur
        It's hard to tell yourself the truth when you know it.
        Stanislav Jerzy Lec
        The real truth is always implausible ... To make the truth believable, you must certainly mix lies with it. People always did that.
        Author: Fedor Muhailovich Dostoevsky
        If a lie for a short time can be useful, then over time it will inevitably be harmful. On the contrary, the truth over time is useful, although it may turn out to be harmful now.
        Posted by: Denis Didro
        1. Sergey53
          Sergey53 10 December 2017 10: 42 New
          0
          True, everyone has their own, but the ONLY is the truth.
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 10 December 2017 11: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: masterovoy
          masterovoy

          Or maybe just quote 451 ° F? Especially, having mixed up a bunch of engineers, collaborators and crazy people ?!
    4. sogdy
      sogdy 10 December 2017 11: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey53
      All power is in the truth, as Sergei Bodrov said.

      Maybe you should turn to the original source: "... and the force is in Newtons."
  4. Masya masya
    Masya masya 10 December 2017 09: 18 New
    15
    The United States does not have sufficient funds

    key phrase ... do not have time to print? recourse
    1. Logall
      Logall 10 December 2017 09: 23 New
      10
      Marisha, good morning!
      Quote: Masya Masya
      The United States does not have sufficient funds

      key phrase ... do not have time to print? recourse

      But crap ... Always! For the sake of printed ...
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 10 December 2017 09: 28 New
        +8
        Hi Sasha! hi Shitting everyone around is their national interest! yes
        1. Logall
          Logall 10 December 2017 09: 32 New
          +8
          National Fun? Like our fist fights?
          Max, hi sweet morning, isn't it?
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 10 December 2017 09: 36 New
            +7
            Quote: Logall
            National Fun? Like our fist fights?

            Not really. Shitting on everyone is part of their national interests around the world. Well, they can’t tolerate that anyone except them is good and calm! fool
            Quote: Logall
            sweet morning, isn't it?

            While the temperature overboard has not risen above zero and the snow has not begun to melt - I agree. wink
      2. Masya masya
        Masya masya 10 December 2017 09: 30 New
        15
        Hello, Alexander! love
        Quote: Logall
        But crap ... Always! For the sake of printed ...

        Yes, they will spoil Russia for free ... and all with sweet oil ...
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 10 December 2017 22: 57 New
          +1
          And even pay extra to those who are a traitor! hi
    2. 210ox
      210ox 10 December 2017 09: 27 New
      +7
      Marina, good morning. It's like in the "Golden Calf" .. Panikovsky: "Give me a million (ten trillion)!"
      Quote: Masya Masya
      The United States does not have sufficient funds

      key phrase ... do not have time to print? recourse
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    3. sabakina
      sabakina 10 December 2017 10: 27 New
      +6
      Marinochka, good morning love . It seems to me. it’s not about dolts ...
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 10 December 2017 10: 34 New
        +7
        Vyacheslav, howdy there! love it’s yes ... but they also beat to pity so that the money is planted ... wink
  5. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 10 December 2017 09: 23 New
    +7
    Again, the money is squeezed out of the state budget. But I don’t know the war as the Chinese, but we lose anyway and should not be discussed.
  6. Alexander War
    Alexander War 10 December 2017 09: 28 New
    +6
    the height is large, and the more we have at least AK-630 on the sides
    1. san4es
      san4es 10 December 2017 10: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander War
      ... we are on the sides at least AK-630

      laughing ... Zdoro-Sanya ... You-Che ... got lost?
      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 10 December 2017 10: 23 New
        +2
        Hello namesake) In what sense got lost?
        1. san4es
          san4es 10 December 2017 10: 55 New
          +3
          belay Miracles on the site. Look, this is the topic:

          ... And this is your comment under this article:

          ... and this one is here too ... a little lower

          And what about your monitor?
          1. Alexander War
            Alexander War 10 December 2017 10: 58 New
            +3
            Video added, it’s interesting that the United States is still experiencing
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 10 December 2017 09: 32 New
    +3
    Nevertheless, such reports more motivate the leadership and the population to look more realistically at the prospect of war. This is better than the endless chanting of a few "concepts" of weapons. We only have the apocalyptic forecasts of Mr. Ivashov and K. ... At the official level, only "the armor is strong and our tanks are fast" ...
    The army is the pinnacle of the power of economics, politics and ideology. ... The Americans are justifiably afraid of us, not because we are stronger - but because, theoretically, we can still “answer” ...
    ps So far, the American "establishment" prefers to use the tactics of Charlemagne at the end of the Saxon wars ("titles", "progressive" ideology, "admission" to the elite "). It is easier to" convince "the general than his army.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 10 December 2017 11: 39 New
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      apocalyptic forecasts of Mr. Ivashov and K.

      Are you talking about loser referents?
  8. Alexander War
    Alexander War 10 December 2017 09: 41 New
    +3
    for 5 min 30 sec?
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 10 December 2017 10: 28 New
      +2
      [media = http: // https: //www.youtube.com/watch? time_
      continue = 21 & v = B4FWWR9_Wyg] Not frail such a plane
  9. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 10 December 2017 09: 57 New
    +1
    6: 1, 2.7: 1. Chelas live in their own world and let them continue there. They cut off the lipsticks in 1 second, they get lost in the mobile toilet, and I don’t throw hats here if they are DUP
    , then only parted with his hands and remains.
  10. private person
    private person 10 December 2017 10: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Hunter
    If we agree with China, no one will be afraid of us militarily and economically ..

    Will China want to negotiate? Does he need this? China is oppressing its policies with both yours and ours.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 10 December 2017 11: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: private person
      China is oppressing its policies with both yours and ours.

      “Choose one side in everything” - Confucius, adnaka.
      The older the language, the more options to refuse in it, without saying no.
      1. private person
        private person 10 December 2017 12: 26 New
        +2
        Confucius lived when the words honor and duty were above all, and now the world is ruled by a green piece of paper.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 10 December 2017 18: 14 New
          0
          Datycho! Confucius lived during the wars of thousands of states. And he certainly was not Japanese, although the British invented the Bushido code ... In our understanding, “Honor and Duty” came to China with the Red Chinese and Mao.
          1. private person
            private person 10 December 2017 21: 05 New
            0
            Datycho! Thousands of states, the series "Game of Thrones" has seen enough.
  11. Varyag77
    Varyag77 10 December 2017 10: 13 New
    +2
    What is this relationship then? Where are they from? How are they calculated? So the size of the RF Armed Forces is comparable with the US Army. US technical superiority? Well this is a grandmother in two said. About morality and say nothing.
  12. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 10 December 2017 10: 23 New
    +1
    Enough measure your tails! In the event of a global mess, all of humanity will lose!
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 December 2017 10: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      In the event of a global mess, all of humanity will lose!

      And someone will win. The stakes are too high. "Humanity" is a consumable. "Two-legged creatures are one tool for us."
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 10 December 2017 10: 53 New
        0
        Believe me, no one will win. Survivors will envy the dead. Do not build illusions.
  13. alavrin
    alavrin 10 December 2017 10: 26 New
    +2
    What an idiotic 6: 1 ratio? By the number of aircraft, or what? And in terms of nuclear charges - is it weak?
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 December 2017 10: 36 New
    +4
    How do they determine the strength of their army? In relation to transgenders to straight people?
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 10 December 2017 11: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How do they determine the strength of their army?

      I thought about it. If they are unable to count their troops, for none of them is profitable.
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  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 December 2017 10: 53 New
    +1
    "despite the fact that the ratio of forces of the United States and China is 2,7 to 1, and the United States and Russia - 6 to 1," ////

    This refers, of course, to a conventional war without the use of nuclear weapons.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 10 December 2017 12: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      conventional war

      By Decree 024/26 there was a great massacre. The population of northern Siberia has tripled. At the expense of the British, Japanese and Americans, a certain number of greens and other whites, who fell under the hand of "who chose the wrong side."
      Take a map and think about what conventional war can be discussed.
  17. Altona
    Altona 10 December 2017 11: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Chertt
    What kind of psychology do you have, like the Ukrainians - "Yes, we together with Europe, we are not afraid of anyone" And we "We with China will defeat everyone" There is no "Us with China" China is the same opponent as the United States. Even more dangerous since it’s trickier

    --------------------------------------
    It’s not a matter of love or dislike for the Russians. Do not forget that Russia has a kleptocratic-oligarchic dictatorship, and China seems to be positioning itself as a socialist state. Even Mao regarded Khrushchev and Brezhnev as revisionists with contempt, and China is very contemptuous of today's degenerates from the CPSU who are changing the country to cut paper. Well, maybe there is reverence for Putin, but not to Putin's entourage.
  18. Altona
    Altona 10 December 2017 11: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "despite the fact that the ratio of forces of the United States and China is 2,7 to 1, and the United States and Russia - 6 to 1," ////

    This refers, of course, to a conventional war without the use of nuclear weapons.

    --------------------------------------
    But what about the liberal thesis "Russia threw opponents into the corpses of its soldiers"?
  19. Altona
    Altona 10 December 2017 11: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    How do they determine the strength of their army? In relation to transgenders to straight people?

    -------------------------------
    By the way, and if the banner “Take us, nasty!” Hangs over the NATO trenches, how do our soldiers react? laughing laughing
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 10 December 2017 23: 05 New
      0
      In captivity, do not give up, fight to the last and then as many more!
  20. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 10 December 2017 11: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "despite the fact that the ratio of forces of the United States and China is 2,7 to 1, and the United States and Russia - 6 to 1," ////

    This refers, of course, to a conventional war without the use of nuclear weapons.

    If two started to fight with their fists, but each one has a gun in his pocket, how long will they use only their fists?
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 10 December 2017 11: 17 New
      0
      Yet this is not a street fight. An order of magnitude higher than constraints, institutions .... in a state conflict.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 10 December 2017 12: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Shahno
        An order of magnitude higher than the constraints

        Take a card. There is only one deterrent - the mobilization rate of industry.
    2. signifera
      signifera 10 December 2017 12: 02 New
      0
      Maybe there will be enough fists? And the guns won't come in handy. I have a bit in my car, I took it out many times, but I never hit anyone, but its appearance stopped the most “brave” ones if there were more of them or something like a bat was in my hand too. But in words or in fists it was necessary.
  21. Anyone
    Anyone 10 December 2017 11: 17 New
    +1
    The Pentagon lags behind the process of modernizing the armed forces of its main opponents and is not able to adequately resist the challenges in Europe and Asia, RIA Novosti reports the results of a study by the American center Rand.

    It’s interesting how much the Pentagon unfastened this Rand Center, so that it would draw up a report with which it’s not a shame to go to Congress to solicit additional attendants for the army))
  22. Horst78
    Horst78 10 December 2017 11: 35 New
    0
    Report from nothing.
  23. signifera
    signifera 10 December 2017 11: 59 New
    +2
    So it seems like it has long been proved that Russia always wins. This is an axiom. Everyone knows this, but everyone wants to try it. We have such a fate, to give all lyuli. And if they still measure by number and quantity, they will surely merge. It’s just that this crowd will have to be drowned for a long time ...
  24. axiles100682
    axiles100682 10 December 2017 12: 53 New
    +3
    Two expressions caught my eye: strong rivals and great powers. Are we no longer a regional power or a country, a gas station with an economy torn to shreds? Well then, comrades, are we going the right way?
  25. 72jora72
    72jora72 10 December 2017 13: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Logall
    Man, this is not expansion yet! I left Magadan in 2004, They were there then ... And they give birth to children who are citizens of Russia! They themselves are fruitful. You know how fast ... This will be an expansion!
    My friend, I visit Magadan almost every year, and I see Uzbeks and Kyrgyz once in 10 more often than the Chinese))
  26. Kathernik
    Kathernik 10 December 2017 13: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Hunter
    Quote: Segel
    laughing Is this all Comrade Xi Jingping told you in a confidential conversation?

    China in the most difficult period supported Russia at the UN, when we were severely persecuted! And our liberals here arranged sabbaths in the swamp ...
    Now Russia feels a lot more confident and can already conduct its policy without support .. Here are such things in the Strategic Missile Forces!
    PS / And your jokes and people like you are no longer even funny ..

    Nonsense...
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 10 December 2017 18: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Katernik
      Nonsense...

      Shaw, are they still funny?
  27. turbris
    turbris 10 December 2017 14: 49 New
    +1
    But how did such a powerful USA suffer a complete defeat in Vietnam? And when did they fight a more or less worthy rival? In any conflict, a grouping was created that was 5-6 times superior to the enemy’s armed forces, therefore I am not surprised at the conclusions of experts. Do you think the US will start a war against the DPRK? I think not, because the “cool” Trump will not want to risk his image so much, there will be a lot of aggressive statements, but all the same the whole world will be convinced that Kim sent a hegemon and he can’t do anything. What is Russia here? It is needed only to inflate the military budget, to please the US military-industrial complex.
    1. Elevator
      Elevator in the building 10 December 2017 15: 16 New
      0
      How? Yes, it’s easy, for the amers were opposed not by the current “feeding terrorists,” but by the desire to let the half-starved and frail people protect their children from lawlessness, and huge help from the first, at that time, world economy, free help with food and medicine, and weapons, and specialists.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 10 December 2017 18: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Hiss
        Yes, it’s easy, because not the current amers opposed

        In any war there is such a thing - supply. After all, they purged the Japanese war. Outright. And their last capable fleet was not destroyed only because we were ready to destroy Japan itself.
        War across the ocean is primarily a main war, only in the ocean.
  28. Kent0001
    Kent0001 10 December 2017 19: 06 New
    0
    They still want to squeeze the money from Congress. And yet they can’t understand that if we fight for the MOTHERLAND (how many times before) and for us (unlike them) Siberia is our LAND and OUR people live on it (regardless of nationality), and for them, this is a source of satisfying mineral needs and enrichment.

    PS when I wrote a post I caught myself thinking in the similarity of the interests of world imperialism and our oil magnates.
  29. Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 10 December 2017 20: 47 New
    0
    And how are they going to win the war? And what does it mean to win? Occupy the territory, take all prisoners, destroy all military enterprises and warehouses? Utopia.
  30. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 11 December 2017 00: 58 New
    0
    Russia and China represent the two main challenges to the national interests of the United States. The authors called these two countries "strong rivals," whose capabilities "have increased significantly."

    Only in Europe (except Western) and in parts of the Asia-Pacific region ....
    in the current situation, the military should prepare "for one big war."

    Debatable. But the United States was preparing for the Great War yesterday ...
  31. Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 11 December 2017 05: 08 New
    +1


    Someone reminded me ....

  32. enmesher
    enmesher 11 December 2017 08: 57 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    “Well, our energy carriers will cease to supply Europe in response. What will become of it after that?” ////

    Nothing will be. They will pay 20-30% more for liquefied gas. and all things. They have money. Gas in the global market in bulk.

    Do not smack nonsense, dear! There is not so much free gas on the market, because such an amount would have fallen in price the last two times. Americans only waved pipisky, saying that they can replace Russian gas with their liquefied gas. If they could deliver such an amount, they would long ago deliver. And Germany would be the first on the list, it is a complete vassal and has not made any decisions for a long time, it is only striving to become the first among others. And I’m not much mistaken if I say that the Americans, in principle, can’t satisfy Europe’s ever-increasing energy demands. And talking about liquid as a substitute for Russian raw materials is nothing more than ordinary American-style mouse fuss.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 11 December 2017 13: 21 New
      0
      Quote: enmesher

      Do not smack nonsense, dear! There is not so much free gas on the market, because such an amount would have fallen in price the last two times.


      The presence / absence of gas is not a clear sign of price fluctuations.
      No need to think about Smith's teachings. as if it is perfect and unshakable.
      Dynamics of oil prices - allows you to be sure of the dependence of "supply and demand" ???
      Of course not, just fiction and stock games.
      And prices ranged from $ 15 to $ 120 .... These are almost 10-fold changes ... And not some 2 times ...
  33. enmesher
    enmesher 11 December 2017 09: 00 New
    0
    Oh! Parade in Washington !!! To live ...
  34. enmesher
    enmesher 11 December 2017 13: 05 New
    0
    You have to live with the truth, just like in a fire: neither move very close so as not to burn, nor go far enough to keep it cold.
    Great said!