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Tillerson: Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine

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US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson commented on the most serious deterioration of Russian-American relations. Tillerson, accustomed to a senior American official, blamed the escalation of tensions in bilateral relations on Moscow. According to the US Secretary of State, the main cause of tension is “Russia's aggression in Ukraine.”


Rex Tillerson said that for the same reason there are no full-fledged partnership contacts between NATO and Russia. Tillerson made a statement in which he called Russia's actions "occupation" and added that it was precisely because of the "occupation of the territory of Ukraine" that NATO was not ready to take the path of resuming the previous options for cooperation with Moscow.

Tillerson: Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine


Tillerson:
I want to say that the Russian aggression in Ukraine today is the biggest threat to the security of Europe. Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the Ukrainian territories.


According to Rex Tillerson, hundreds of terrorist cells, rampant separatism in European countries, by all appearances, are not a threat to European security. Tens of thousands of troops of the occupying American troops are "not" threatened by the American secret services for telephones of EU leaders, attempts by the US to organize coup in NATO countries (for example, in Turkey). All the same patterns: we are an exceptional nation, and Russia is to blame for everything.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 6 December 2017 18: 06
    62
    Of course, it would be different; the USA and NATO would occupy Crimea. Who would argue
    1. Hunter
      Hunter 6 December 2017 18: 16
      35
      Quote: Wend
      Of course, it would be different; the USA and NATO would occupy Crimea. Who would argue

      And our Navy would be kicked out with shame under the anthem of the United States .. That would be terrible humiliation of Russia once again and would clearly bring to turmoil ..
      Putin understood everything correctly and quickly reacted ahead of the schedule .. Thank him very much!
      And all these sanctions would be imposed against Russia anyway!
      Russia in the plans of the West, should not exist, I hope the majority understood this ..
      And who doesn’t understand, read the history of Russia .. (everything is there too, which is now going according to plan)
      And Ukraine has always been a "mash" in troubled times .. you just need to wait!
      1. Going
        Going 6 December 2017 18: 25
        12
        Quote: Wend
        Of course, it would be different; the USA and NATO would occupy Crimea. Who would argue


        It infuriates them the most, but nothing cures him.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 6 December 2017 18: 52
          +2
          JOKE
          On political information lecturer:
          - Who asks: is Tillerson retired or not? He already answered you
          Tillerson: Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine
          So not yet!
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 6 December 2017 20: 33
            +9
            Crimea is Russian. Donbass and Lugansk are Russian cities. Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kiev and many other cities in Ukraine are Russian cities. At the moment, Ukraine is occupied by the Anglo-Saxons and non-Russians of Kinship not remembering.
            Tillerson pike perch on the letter M. And in this statement of truth is more than in his nonsense about occupation.
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 6 December 2017 21: 03
              +2
              Tillerson: Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine

              I would have said it bluntly - everything would have been different if Russia hadn’t been, what to dissemble.
              1. Going
                Going 6 December 2017 21: 31
                +4
                This is their pipe dream.
        2. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 6 December 2017 20: 13
          10
          Quote: Going
          It infuriates them the most, but nothing cures him.

          no - only their grave hi
          1. Going
            Going 6 December 2017 20: 15
            +3
            And in time, we will all be there. hi
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 6 December 2017 20: 22
              +9
              I agree, but Tillerson has not yet decided "in paradise it is good - there is a climate, but there are more acquaintances in hell"
              1. Going
                Going 6 December 2017 20: 25
                +6
                He has no options, only to acquaintances. lol
      2. 210ox
        210ox 6 December 2017 18: 41
        +5
        But I had this opinion. Putin took advantage of the moment that turned up. He could have supported Yanukovych and put pressure on the Maidan problem by force ... But if Yanukovych-Azarov won, Crimea would have remained Ukrainian with a subsequent status. com mess ..
        Quote: Hunter
        Quote: Wend
        Of course, it would be different; the USA and NATO would occupy Crimea. Who would argue

        And our Navy would be kicked out with shame under the anthem of the United States .. That would be terrible humiliation of Russia once again and would clearly bring to turmoil ..
        Putin understood everything correctly and quickly reacted ahead of the schedule .. Thank him very much!
        And all these sanctions would be imposed against Russia anyway!
        Russia in the plans of the West, should not exist, I hope the majority understood this ..
        And who doesn’t understand, read the history of Russia .. (everything is there too, which is now going according to plan)
        And Ukraine has always been a "mash" in troubled times .. you just need to wait!
        1. Astoria
          Astoria 6 December 2017 19: 04
          +2
          Yanukovych lost his full power not at the moment when he did not disperse the ONE children, but a few years before dismissing the emissaries of the uprising throughout the country. Listen to the interview of Azarov (it is in several parts): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTWMnsIqdBE
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 6 December 2017 21: 43
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          But I had this opinion. Putin took advantage of the moment that turned up. He could have supported Yanukovych and put pressure on the Maidan problem by force ... But if Yanukovych-Azarov won, Crimea would have remained Ukrainian with a subsequent status. com mess ..

          One hundred and five hundred.
        3. zivXP
          zivXP 6 December 2017 22: 08
          0
          And perhaps everything was calculated in advance. It was just necessary to complete the Olympiad.
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 6 December 2017 19: 41
        +8
        Tillerson: Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine

        Everything would be different if you had not stuck your nose into all the cracks in the world, Rex take a bone and scatter on the mat. yes
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 6 December 2017 20: 13
          +2
          Hey bro ! hi drinks
          Quote: vovanpain
          Rex take a bone and scatter on the mat.

          Not Rex’s words, but the one who wrote him a speech. And he, in turn, obeys his curator in Mattress. How did you get these "exceptional" ... angry
          1. Going
            Going 6 December 2017 20: 18
            +4
            Good evening, dear! hi drinks So you look at them and think that there was a smart, successful businessman who got a position and was immediately lost.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 December 2017 20: 23
              +3
              Victor, hi! hi There he was at ease, and here he learns on the go.
              1. Going
                Going 6 December 2017 20: 26
                +4
                Of course, it’s never too late to learn, but also change shoes and bustle.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 6 December 2017 20: 34
                  +3
                  Each time period has its own sacrifice among those in power. Trump is not far from becoming one in favor of the famous gods of Matrasia ...
                  1. Going
                    Going 6 December 2017 20: 37
                    +4
                    I suspect that Trump is not being underestimated, he will turn out.
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 6 December 2017 20: 41
                      +3
                      It’s not that he will turn out - he will substitute another victim in his place, if he can. Who it will be - one can only speculate.
                      1. Going
                        Going 6 December 2017 20: 42
                        +4
                        And not only one, but he himself will remain afloat, but also without real power, while without real one.
                      2. CorvusCoraks
                        CorvusCoraks 7 December 2017 08: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        Who it will be - one can only speculate.

                        If the husband had a daughter, it would be great. Everything would spin very interestingly.
          2. vovanpain
            vovanpain 6 December 2017 20: 20
            +5
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Not Rex’s words, but the one who wrote him a speech. And he, in turn, obeys his curator in Mattress.

            Hello Be Brother! drinks hi So the owner of this Rex is the curator, Trump, and Rexik is the head of the State Department. hi Well, like our Lavrov. hi
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 December 2017 20: 27
              +4
              Do you really think that Trump himself gave birth to this in his teapot and dictates to Rex? Yes, I beg you ... All puppets only do what the puppeteer ordered. Otherwise, into the furnace. As for the puppeteers and families acting in their capacity, I will not explain to you.
      4. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 6 December 2017 19: 59
        +5
        Everything would be different if ......


        If the Yellowstone volcano weren’t so leisurely! am
        1. Going
          Going 6 December 2017 21: 33
          +5
          You can always turn on the accelerator, if necessary. lol
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 6 December 2017 21: 54
            +2
            It is possible, but who will decide on this? wink
      5. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 7 December 2017 08: 26
        0
        Quote: Hunter
        Putin understood everything correctly and quickly reacted ahead of the schedule .. Thank him very much!

        What is the lead? Advancement is the inadmissibility of everything that has begun to happen to all of Ukraine, and this is an attempt to smooth out the consequences of their failures.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 6 December 2017 18: 24
      16
      "Tillerson: Everything would be different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine"
      Everything would be different if Columbus, nevertheless, came to India
      1. dison
        dison 6 December 2017 18: 40
        +2
        Yeah, it's time to close America smile
      2. figwam
        figwam 6 December 2017 18: 41
        +7
        We know who committed the aggression, this is a coalition of Western countries, under the leadership of the FSA, after which they marked the territory. Flags on the building of special services, just do not hang.
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      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 6 December 2017 21: 24
        0
        Are the Americans offended? Guys, nothing more, who first got up - that and boots. And yet, this is our territory, which ... you need here, bring it to your America and do not go wherever you are asked.
      2. Vend
        Vend 7 December 2017 10: 12
        0
        Quote: Hunter
        Quote: Wend
        Of course, it would be different; the USA and NATO would occupy Crimea. Who would argue

        What kind of nonsense are the saucepan. Putin worked supposedly ahead of the curve. Haha Oh, these kitchen experts, homegrown wangs.

        What is the question? Do you think that the US and NATO did not prepare a military base in Crimea?
        1. ventel
          ventel 7 December 2017 16: 57
          0
          And now you think soberly without hysteria at the Americans base in the Crimea. They are so that there fleet based aircraft carriers. During the Second World War, the Germans drowned half of the Black Sea Fleet without a fleet. I can’t even imagine why Russia needs a large fleet on the Black Sea in the event of war, the straits are closed and NATO just remains to be trained in the destruction of naval targets. Maybe you have a different vision of the situation so write just don’t need to attract an alternative. You know when the troops were moving to Afghanistan, they also said that we were ahead of the Americans by the fact that they would set up the base and as a result the alliance broke up.
          1. Vend
            Vend 7 December 2017 17: 42
            +2
            Quote: ventel
            And now you think soberly without hysteria at the Americans base in the Crimea. They are so that there fleet based aircraft carriers. During the Second World War, the Germans drowned half of the Black Sea Fleet without a fleet. I can’t even imagine why Russia needs a large fleet on the Black Sea in the event of war, the straits are closed and NATO just remains to be trained in the destruction of naval targets. Maybe you have a different vision of the situation so write just don’t need to attract an alternative. You know when the troops were moving to Afghanistan, they also said that we were ahead of the Americans by the fact that they would set up the base and as a result the alliance broke up.

            This is not my vision. A tender for the reconstruction of Sevastopol School No. 5 under the engineering base of the US Navy hung on the US procurement website. The Americans announced the tender for the repair of the Sevastopol school on 5 of September 2013 of the year, applications for participation were accepted until 21 of October 2013 of the year. And on April 15 2014 of the year, a month after the referendum on the peninsula, it was canceled. As indicated, "in connection with the current situation in Ukraine."
            What other proof do you need? laughing
          2. SergeBS
            SergeBS 8 December 2017 21: 02
            0
            Quote: ventel
            I can’t even imagine why Russia needs a large fleet on the Black Sea in the event of war, the straits are closed and NATO just remains to be trained in the destruction of naval targets.

            Yeah. Only if the straits are closed by Turkey can they fully open and deepen. True Turkey (NATO member) then kirdyk. For violation of the Montreux contract. But NATO simply does not have time. Under the existing Montreux agreement, the passage of aircraft carriers from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea is prohibited. Also, the tonnage and the residence time of the fleets of countries without borders on the Black Sea are limited.
            Well, another hint: "who owns Sevastopol, he owns the Black Sea." Welcome, US GI! We will meet with the scale of all our hospitality. You won’t have time to fuck up. Alive. am
            1. ventel
              ventel 8 December 2017 23: 04
              0
              At least you saw a map and read a story. And how do you think NATO will not have time to deploy aircraft that in Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey and Greece there are no armed forces at all or airports. Yes, the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th, Sevastopol was of some strategic importance, but with modern weapons it is not important anymore. In the first world, the Russians managed to do it when GEBEN Sevastopol fired and two boats were drowned about the second world. I generally keep silent there Soviet admirals from day to day they were waiting for the Italian fleet that, out of fear, they mined approaches to all the bays and Azov straits, but not one enemy ship was drowned for their many.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 9 December 2017 08: 47
                +3
                Yes, history needs to be read / taught.
                According to all the chronicles, archives, memoirs, it turns out only ONE - those who climbed RUSSIA got into the snout everywhere and always! Then he bequeathed to the descendants not to quarrel and not climb on us !!!
                It's just that the descendants are so "wise" that the precepts of their ancestors prefer to forget !!! As a result, you have to write your own, in about the same context !!!
                So LEARN HISTORY!
                1. ventel
                  ventel 9 December 2017 12: 17
                  0
                  In addition to reading / teaching history, one also needs to comprehend and draw conclusions, but this is not given for patriots. Here I agree, but only ONE Russia came out of this with such human and economic losses and political ones that it’s just right to call not a victory but a catastrophe. This is the name but the Russian people were led to slaughter by people who wanted to get into history; they did not care about the people. So in addition to studying history, conclusions still need to be drawn.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 9 December 2017 14: 25
                    +3
                    We make a simple and obvious conclusion, they began to forget about the geyrop,
                    what it means to protect the homeland!
                    We’ll count everything, count and surrender to the winner ... all right, you’ll be the example of a geyropa.
                    We are old-fashioned, ON OUR OWN, we will sing - OUR Proud "VARYAG" DOES NOT RETURN THE ENEMY .............. !!!!
                    Your geyropeytsam IT DO NOT ALREADY UNDERSTAND!
    4. SergeBS
      SergeBS 6 December 2017 21: 36
      +4
      Of course, it would be different; the USA and NATO would occupy Crimea. Who would argue

      drinks
      Well, they would have found ANOTHER cause for complaints, such as LGBT, is not praised, the Kuril Islands were not given to the Japanese, etc.
      I did not check, but I.V. A very accurate statement is attributed to Stalin: "I believed that democracy is the power of the people, but Mr. Roosevelt explained to me that democracy is the power of the American people."
    5. electrooleg
      electrooleg 6 December 2017 23: 34
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      Crimea would be occupied by the USA and NATO.


      They now have nothing left but nagging laughing
  2. 210ox
    210ox 6 December 2017 18: 06
    10
    Indeed, it would have been different .. And they would not have lurked in Kiev, And they would not have killed people in the Donbass .. When the Russian peacekeepers really entered.
    1. noWAR
      noWAR 6 December 2017 18: 11
      +3
      Your humor does not come the first time! Someone for these words would immediately give you a place at your feet!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 6 December 2017 18: 22
        +4
        I’m generally a strange person. I’m probably starting to read from the end and not from the beginning. And I highlight thoughts from the middle .. hi
        Quote: noWAR
        Your humor does not come the first time! Someone for these words would immediately give you a place at your feet!
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 6 December 2017 19: 26
          +3
          I’m probably starting to read from the end and not from the beginning. And I highlight thoughts from the middle ..

          This has its own logic: at the end of normal articles, conclusions usually come - so, the whole point immediately becomes clear. Well, the rest of the text is needed only to make sure that the author reasoned logically! good
          1. ul_vitalii
            ul_vitalii 6 December 2017 19: 41
            +7
            This is what you spun!
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 6 December 2017 19: 50
              +3
              Vitaly, thanks for the compliment! As they say, nothing personal - just a statement of facts! laughing
              1. ul_vitalii
                ul_vitalii 6 December 2017 19: 53
                +8
                Totally agree with you. good
  3. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 6 December 2017 18: 07
    12
    So, no less. And the fact that the US has occupied half the world since 1945 and does not want to leave is not considered occupation. This is an aid to the allies.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 6 December 2017 18: 20
      +4
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      So, no less. And the fact that the US has occupied half the world since 1945 and does not want to leave is not considered occupation. This is an aid to the allies.

      This is the establishment of democracy, and of course, a club for those who are not understanding there.
  4. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 6 December 2017 18: 08
    +2
    A conversation is possible with them only after they give power in the United States to the indigenous people, and the rest to their homes!
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 6 December 2017 18: 09
    +5
    Everything would be different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine


    Well, of course ... in the Crimea there would be a US military base and missile defense system ... a bummer ... sadness for democracy from the USA ... you understand the Russian bear put guano on it.
  6. polpot
    polpot 6 December 2017 18: 09
    +4
    Yes, comrade order bearer, how good it would be if Russia were not there, so Hitler thought Napoleon, Karl 12, but they are no longer there and you will not be, and we were, are and will be.
    1. volodya
      volodya 6 December 2017 18: 14
      +9
      But the US thinks differently. Well, let them think it’s their problem!
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  8. turbris
    turbris 6 December 2017 18: 09
    +3
    The Americans continue to carry nonsense, there would be no Ukraine where exactly they staged a coup, there would have been something else, Tillerson understands this, but is forced to fool.
  9. ando_bor
    ando_bor 6 December 2017 18: 12
    +2
    Yes, the order bearer says, everything would be different, but get used to this situation - not all cats are Pancake week.
  10. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 6 December 2017 18: 13
    +4
    For the USA - You have been in the global ass since the Vietnam War. When will you understand ?! Only Trump understands from the south, but you ignore him, the disappearance of the country as a producer - this is only Trump who sees it, and you ignore it. Run around Afghanistan and Iraq, thinking that you need something there. What did you lose there? Leaving, like from Vietnam, is hard.
    1. japs
      japs 6 December 2017 22: 07
      +4
      How will they leave Afghanistan, there is opium, and from Iraq, so there is oil? Therefore they need help,
      "carry out" from guests to the house. They don’t want the good, then the bad, encouraging kicks.
      Our authorities are cunning with the people, but in politics they can only "honestly"?
      Something is wrong here ...
  11. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 December 2017 18: 14
    +2
    Since Rex says so, it was one of the few right decisions.
  12. BAI
    BAI 6 December 2017 18: 14
    +3
    And if the Americans went to Crimea, relations would be the most friendly. And even better they would become if Siberia were also given to them.
    As Albright said there: "It is unfair that Russia possesses such natural resources. This is the property of all mankind." And since the United States is talking about humanity, it means itself.
  13. Baloo
    Baloo 6 December 2017 18: 19
    +7
    Tillerson: Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine

    Everything would be different if the Americans were sitting at home and did not meddle in the internal affairs of distant countries.
    There might not have been a second and other world wars if wrappers with portraits of American presidents were printed by the US Treasury, and not by the private Fed office. Tens of millions of people in different parts of the world would not have died because of the wars and coups that the Americans organized if the US military-industrial complex belonged to the US government, and were not completely in private hands. Also, a righteous man was found.
  14. midshipman
    midshipman 6 December 2017 18: 23
    +7
    Let them remember what they did in Iraq, Libya, Egypt. Let them remember how they fought in Vietnam, Korea. And what did this “exceptional” nation do in our Far East ?. We are still waiting for their provocations in the Far North. I have the honor.
  15. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 6 December 2017 18: 24
    +8
    If grandmother had ..., she would be called grandfather.
  16. dubovitskiy.1947
    dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 18: 27
    +2
    Everything would have been different if not for that damned Vespuccin Amerigo. ....
  17. Herculesic
    Herculesic 6 December 2017 18: 28
    +7
    There, on the cage, the inscription was "Do not feed Rex, do not remove the muzzle!" Who disobeyed? ?? what
  18. Vitaly
    Vitaly 6 December 2017 18: 28
    +2
    Give!
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 6 December 2017 19: 09
      +2
      Or in it? recourse lol good So more precisely! !!
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 6 December 2017 19: 45
        +1
        "With him or on him"? laughing The traditions of Ancient Sparta in the light of modern European values ​​- then it is right "on it"! repeat And, it seems, Tillerson has been on it for a long time - you see how that was raging! laughing
  19. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 6 December 2017 18: 30
    +2
    A tough defense from the West is what will save us. Right now, no matter what, despite all the accusations.
    In a year or two, they, toothless, will begin to beg us to protect us from the wave of refugees.
  20. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 6 December 2017 18: 40
    +2
    Two years later, no one even puts his country in the role of organizer of the OI. That will be such a mess.
  21. BMP-2
    BMP-2 6 December 2017 18: 42
    +3
    This statement once again confirms that Tillerson is an agent of Putin! Well, judge for yourself:
    1) speaks not about the USA, but about Russia;
    2) states that NATO is not ready;
    3) claims that everything depended and does not depend on the United States, but on Russia!

    In general, I think Tillerson’s time has come to add to the base of the site “Peacemaker”! laughing

    Ps: but if in his report the words “Russia” and “Russian” are replaced by “USA” and “American”, then it is quite possible to agree with his conclusions! yes
  22. solzh
    solzh 6 December 2017 18: 42
    0
    How did this Russophobia get! The main thing our Guarantor does not do anything to eradicate it, only he is nominated for the presidency and sends athletes under a neutral flag to speak at the Olympics. Or maybe our Guarantor is the main Russophobe?
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 7 December 2017 10: 47
      0
      If I start to behave inappropriately, threaten your loved ones and brandish a club in your face, you will also have a phobia. Draw conclusions.
  23. Nemesis
    Nemesis 6 December 2017 18: 43
    +3
    ALL territory of Ukraine on the map of 1654 ... With what it came to Russia from Poland, let it go ....
    1. Going
      Going 6 December 2017 18: 54
      +5
      Quote: Nemesis
      ALL territory of Ukraine on the map of 1654 ... With what it came to Russia from Poland, let it go ....


      Everything goes to this.
  24. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 6 December 2017 19: 12
    +6
    Everything would be different if

    Nothing comes to mind except the well-known phrase: if my grandmother had male primary sexual characteristics, then she would be a grandfather
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 6 December 2017 19: 37
      +3
      Well, there’s also “If yes, if mushrooms were growing in my mouth”
      "If you mow your tongue, your back will not get tired"
      "If he hadn’t been able to tremble, he would have completely frozen." wink
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 6 December 2017 19: 50
        +7
        How many wolves do not feed, still more than the elephant will not.
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 6 December 2017 19: 24
    +2
    This is because the Americans for a long time worked out a strategy for securing the Crimea for military needs. And both Maidan mainly for this. And money, and the training of politicians, and so on ...
    And the result is very upset.
  26. Kokarev Mikhail
    Kokarev Mikhail 6 December 2017 19: 24
    0
    Everything would be different if, with the withdrawal of Soviet troops, the Americans would also get out of Europe. I think that we should return back and create not the Warsaw Treaty, but the Berlin Treaty. Merkel and comrades will not mind, I think so!
  27. Simon
    Simon 6 December 2017 19: 38
    0
    Quote: Chertt
    "Tillerson: Everything would be different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine"
    Everything would be different if Columbus, nevertheless, came to India

    And it would be better if he drowned with his ships!
    1. Antares
      Antares 7 December 2017 00: 37
      0
      Quote: Simon
      And it would be better if he drowned with his ships!

      he was not the first, besides, he was ideally lucky (or maybe the maps of antiquity helped)
      America was discovered long ago, and it was not difficult to rediscover it. Sooner or later, a new discovery would take place.
  28. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 December 2017 19: 40
    +2
    According to the US Secretary of State, the main cause of tension is “Russia's aggression in Ukraine”

    Well, they would have already had ready-made projects for the arrangement of bases in the Crimea, and here such a bummer
  29. Simon
    Simon 6 December 2017 19: 40
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail Kokarev
    Everything would be different if, with the withdrawal of Soviet troops, the Americans would also get out of Europe. I think that we should return back and create not the Warsaw Treaty, but the Berlin Treaty. Merkel and comrades will not mind, I think so!

    And the first and last president of the Union, comrade a traitor to the hunchbacks, is to blame! am
  30. Simon
    Simon 6 December 2017 19: 50
    +2
    Quote: solzh
    How did this Russophobia get! The main thing our Guarantor does not do anything to eradicate it, only he is nominated for the presidency and sends athletes under a neutral flag to speak at the Olympics. Or maybe our Guarantor is the main Russophobe?

    If it weren’t for our Guarantor, then you would have lived for a long time, as in Ukraine and Russia would not have existed for a long time! fool I lived under Yeltsin, no money, no salary, some wealthy oligarchs and bandits. Complete chaos. Putin gave stability to the state and pulled it out of the debt hole created by Gorbachov and Yeltsin. Think what you say! fool
    1. solzh
      solzh 6 December 2017 20: 03
      0
      Not you, but you. You got with your I lived in the 90s. I also lived there, so what? Or was it worse in the 90s than in the 20s? What stability and for whom? I think when I write and when I speak. YOU DO NOT WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR YOU, AND ALSO FOR A SMART SMILE? I found the same supporter of the guarantor. Such as you ask .. the whole country in the 90s. People like you voted for Yeltsin, with the words he’s better than the Communists, such as you supported Gorbachev with perestroika, such as you helping modern bourgeoisie plunder your Motherland, although you may not have any homeland.
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 6 December 2017 21: 28
        0
        Quote: solzh
        Or was it worse in the 90s than in the 20s?

        And look around is not fate? Or on coupons for flour, sugar, meat, vodka, etc. miss you? am
        ChSKH, he himself yells about Mishka-labeled and EBN that they are villains. And "unobtrusively translate the arrows" like "I have nothing to do with it, I did not vote for them."
        1. solzh
          solzh 6 December 2017 23: 15
          +1
          Another wise guy ... It is not necessary to confuse the Gorbachev era with its coupon system and the wild capitalism of Yeltsin. Yes, I did not vote for them. I do not work on the railway. If YOU have nothing concrete and clever to say, then don’t get into a conversation, two of them fight the third, don’t go, you’ll be more whole.
          PS I feel sorry for people like you, did not teach you courtesy.
          1. SergeBS
            SergeBS 7 December 2017 20: 19
            0
            Quote: solzh
            It is not necessary to confuse the Gorbachev era with its coupon system and the wild capitalism of Yeltsin.

            Yeah. And sho, when EBN lived better than now? laughing

            Quote: solzh
            PS I feel sorry for people like you, did not teach you courtesy.

            Catching a lie is impolite. I got what you mean. Well lie further, "gentleman." Are there any Rodney Saxon relatives? They are the same. winked
  31. pvv113
    pvv113 6 December 2017 19: 53
    +4
    Tillerson, familiar to a senior US official, blamed Moscow for escalating tensions in bilateral relations

    Ugh on you! And again - pah!
    1. Going
      Going 6 December 2017 21: 35
      +5
      Doesn’t stick to him.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 6 December 2017 21: 38
        +4
        The infection does not stick to the infection? wink
  32. Simon
    Simon 6 December 2017 19: 55
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    And if the Americans went to Crimea, relations would be the most friendly. And even better they would become if Siberia were also given to them.
    As Albright said there: "It is unfair that Russia possesses such natural resources. This is the property of all mankind." And since the United States is talking about humanity, it means itself.

    In this case, we wouldn’t be at all, or at best — we would be made slaves! stop
  33. Simon
    Simon 6 December 2017 19: 56
    +1
    Quote: Karayakupovo
    A conversation is possible with them only after they give power in the United States to the indigenous people, and the rest to their homes!

    The rest to Europe! Let the Indians rule.
  34. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 6 December 2017 20: 01
    +1
    if it were Russian aggression, then the outskirts would shrink down to the size of the Carpathians and Volhynia
  35. Sergey53
    Sergey53 6 December 2017 20: 01
    +1
    And if you had not climbed into Syria, everything there would have ended much earlier, or rather, it would not have even begun at all.
  36. K-50
    K-50 6 December 2017 20: 14
    +1
    Tillerson: Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the territory of Ukraine

    Did she occupy? belay
    Crimea is a separate autonomous republic and has chosen its own path, which is incompatible with the Banderization and fascization of Ruins. This is the choice of the inhabitants of this region. Where and what has Russia occupied yet?
    D.B. (c) S. Lavrov.
  37. rocket757
    rocket757 6 December 2017 20: 20
    +3
    The fundamental question is when they, with a company of jackals, smash a sovereign state at liberation and democracy they bring to the peoples of these countries.
    We just helped an ally, the government of a sovereign country, blindly, but still help the people who rebelled against a violent / anti-constitutional coup in their country - they declared us a Mordor / aggressor ...
    In short - yes they all went ... forest, field and to hell.
    We will calmly do what is true in our opinion
  38. kefan
    kefan 6 December 2017 20: 21
    +1
    Everything would be different if you, the mattresses, had not committed a coup in the 404th.
  39. Karakut
    Karakut 6 December 2017 20: 59
    +3
    Everything would have been different gentlemen, if Putin had not transferred troops to Syria! After all, you were hoping. that we will be stuck in Ukraine, and you concoct your bargains on BV? Russia has dispersed all your fools and the majority simply destroyed .. Syria and B. Assad begin a peaceful life! Praise be to Allah and Russia ..
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 6 December 2017 22: 28
      +4
      May there be a normal, peaceful life in Syria .. may the leader of the country be wise and fair.
      God bless you!
  40. Ihrek
    Ihrek 6 December 2017 21: 30
    +4
    Dear GDP, you and I continue with the striped and their vassals in the same spirit good good Only a big request to restore order with your ministers, headed by their boss am am We will endure and stand as our heroic grandfathers and great-grandfathers soldier soldier Only subject to punishment and dispossession of burglars angry angry I am sure you will show wisdom and put the interests of the country and its people and not these thieves at the forefront, even if they are your friends, but RUSSIA and its PEOPLE should be holy for your position and we will definitely win hi
  41. nikolaev
    nikolaev 6 December 2017 21: 55
    +1
    for these freaks while Russia is alive, it will be to blame for the fact that she is alive
  42. Georgievic
    Georgievic 6 December 2017 23: 02
    +1
    Tillerson, a professional card cheater!
  43. A.
    A. 6 December 2017 23: 09
    +1
    Whose cow would moo, and the Anglo-Zionist would be silent.
  44. Kent0001
    Kent0001 6 December 2017 23: 10
    +2
    When a huckster talks about politics from the side of the most powerful state on the planet, it causes sadness from his complete profanity in the essence of the issues discussed.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 7 December 2017 00: 46
      +2
      Quote: Kent0001
      When a huckster talks about politics

      Here the thing is ... Not the first ten years in the world, especially in mattresses, "interpenetration" has occurred - the hucksters are politicking, the politicians are hucking. And those and others do not disdain anything to achieve their foul goals. So they live, while not letting others live. By the way, Trump is a vivid example of such a “perdimonokl”, yeah. And Rex with him is something like a clerk, and not of the highest qualification. They are trying to stir up something similar with our baragoza neighbors living below, only there it took on absolutely ugly features. Well, im
      Now do not get used to it.
  45. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 6 December 2017 23: 24
    +2
    I want to say that the Russian aggression in Ukraine today is the biggest threat to the security of Europe. Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the Ukrainian territories.
    And it would have been completely different if the United States had not been the first to destroy Yugoslavia and not bombed Belgrade, tearing Kosovo away from Serbia.
  46. lopvlad
    lopvlad 7 December 2017 00: 29
    +2
    that it is precisely because of the "occupation of the territory of Ukraine" that NATO is not ready to take the path of resuming previous options for cooperation with Moscow
    .


    he shared his sadness. We squeezed out under the very nose the most necessary and important part of the territory of Ukraine, to which the Anglo-Saxons salivated for centuries and have been flowing, and simply Crimea.
    Without a NATO base in Crimea, it is impossible to impose Russia on Russia, completely deprive control of the Black Sea and level its vigorous potential.
  47. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 7 December 2017 00: 35
    +2
    Striking peremptory frankness and rudeness of any Yankees about the alleged occupation by Russia of Ukraine. you bastards consulted us when you made a coup in the same Ukraine, when you made traitors of Bandera cut out of Ukrainians. And it is wonderful that the Almighty helped us bloodlessly liberate the Crimea from the Bandera flayer, otherwise there would have been merikans.
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 7 December 2017 10: 50
      0
      Those. we just fussed and stole Crimea from under the nose of the Americans? Then they are right, this is occupation.
  48. Antares
    Antares 7 December 2017 00: 40
    +1
    by the way the most powerful argument of Ukrainian propaganda and the actions of the Ukrainian people.
    The loss of part of the territory and even with the active "help" of the Russian Federation ...
  49. Nasty
    Nasty 7 December 2017 08: 27
    +1
    I want to say that Russian aggression in Ukraine today is the biggest threat to European security. Everything would have been different if Russia had not occupied the Ukrainian territories
    Instead, put the “USA”, then everything will fall into place.
  50. aries2200
    aries2200 7 December 2017 08: 50
    +1
    it would be necessary to expel mattresses from Europe as well ...
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 7 December 2017 10: 53
      0
      The expeller did not grow, Europe did not invite you.
      1. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 7 December 2017 13: 09
        +1
        But your "kick out" has grown, so what can you Mishiko not expel? The State Department bans? You ovskie litter, and not proud Ukrainians. Download further.