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Named the reason for exclusion from the state program of weapons BZHRK "Barguzin"

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The development of the combat train complex (BZHRK) of the new generation Barguzin is not part of the new state armament program (GPV) for the 2018-2027 years due to a lack of funding, TASS reports, citing a source in the Russian defense industry. According to him, the creation of BZHRK suspended since the fall of 2016, the last test performed on it was the throwing test of the Yars missile from the Plesetsk cosmodrome.


Named the reason for exclusion from the state program of weapons BZHRK "Barguzin"


The agency interlocutor said that there was no money for all missile programs, so I had to sacrifice the train for the Sarmat and PC-26 “Frontier” missiles.

There is no money for all missile programs for the Strategic Missile Forces, we had to temporarily donate Barguzin for the sake of Sarmatian and PC-26 Frontier, included in the new state program
- clarified the source.

Recall that last week about the termination of work on BZHRK "Barguzin" said "Rossiyskaya Gazeta".
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 6 December 2017 10: 47 New
    35
    Let Titov’s wards be thrown to the state program.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 6 December 2017 10: 48 New
      20
      These are more likely to grab more than share. sad
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 6 December 2017 10: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: newbie
        Let Titov’s wards be thrown to the state program.


        Quote: Jedi
        These are more likely to grab more than share. sad


        Well, let the goat in the garden

        Interestingly, they will return the money to the corrupt IOC, which they requested from the Russian OK?

        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 December 2017 11: 04 New
          12
          Of course. I think it’s not even discussed, and will continue to follow the instructions of the “partners”.
          1. dik-nsk
            dik-nsk 6 December 2017 11: 37 New
            +1
            article of 4 paragraphs, where the same thing with rearranged words .. but the article turned out))
            1. kolyhalovs
              kolyhalovs 6 December 2017 12: 20 New
              0
              Comment is not in the topic of discussion of the branch, but in the top.
        2. Jedi
          Jedi 6 December 2017 11: 05 New
          +5
          hi
          Quote: bulvas
          Interestingly, they will return the money to the corrupt IOC, which they requested from the Russian OK?

          And with what fright?
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 6 December 2017 11: 17 New
            +3
            hi
            Quote: Jedi
            hi
            Quote: bulvas
            Interestingly, they will return the money to the corrupt IOC, which they requested from the Russian OK?

            And with what fright?


            This is a natural reaction - not to return.

            But our officials are capable of such paradoxes that we never dreamed of ...
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 6 December 2017 11: 21 New
              +5
              Quote: bulvas
              But our officials are capable of such paradoxes that we never dreamed of ...

              Only if so, which few would be surprised at ...
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 6 December 2017 15: 59 New
                +3
                Officials will find money for this. And to us - there is no money, but you stay here.
              2. Seryoga Gord
                Seryoga Gord 6 December 2017 17: 46 New
                +5
                International shnyaga for us -
                The country, athletes, at once, deprived of the anthem, the flag!
                The bureaucrats just put their tongue in the ass,
                Honor is no longer a shame to lose, poor fellow.

                something like this...))
        3. newcomer
          newcomer 6 December 2017 11: 05 New
          +3
          I don’t think that they will be allowed to enter the military-industrial complex, or to discuss the state armament program: money for a barrel, go away, don’t bother. so Makar.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 6 December 2017 11: 08 New
            +7
            Sponsors tend to poke their nose into what they invest in. And these grabbers will want to poke their "effective managers". No, far from such patrons. no
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 6 December 2017 11: 13 New
              +3
              oh so Max. but these are not sponsors, fines, damn them. and who will give “five cents to shove.” Well, I say, they took the money, spread it over the cut-down programs of the military-industrial complex.
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 6 December 2017 11: 25 New
                +6
                Do you think these clever backbone will give stolen so easily? Stopudovo begin to bargain for preferences and dictate the conditions. So what the hell!
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 6 December 2017 11: 31 New
                  +2
                  Max, the truth behind us and the whole state machine in uniform. where will they go. they threw a test cry through Titov, but the Supreme’s answer, I believe, will be tough: either ours or bad. Well, I think so.
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 6 December 2017 11: 36 New
                    +4
                    Let's see, Garik, I also share your hopes.
        4. mole
          mole 6 December 2017 17: 11 New
          0
          Quote: bulvas
          Interestingly, they will return the money to the corrupt IOC, which they requested from the Russian OK?

          It’s better to spend this money with us on the development of sports.
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 6 December 2017 11: 12 New
        10
        In my service I had to not only see, but also be inside these trains (well, of course, not in the launch car). The thing is good, useful and caused anurez in the “partners” that was not localized even by a double diaper! But the operation of these trains is accompanied by a huge infrastructure of security, privacy regime, satellite control, repair and regulation of equipment, parking and equipment, etc. Believe me for the money, this is comparable to the complexes themselves, if all this had not been stolen and sold, it would have been easier to restore. And so to create everything in a new way, really a lot of money, so I think the decision is probably currently considered and calculated! soldier
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 6 December 2017 11: 37 New
          +6
          Quote: Major Yurik
          In my service I had to not only see, but also be inside these trains (well, of course, not in the launch car). The thing is good, useful and caused anurez in the “partners” that was not localized even by a double diaper! But the operation of these trains is accompanied by a huge infrastructure of security, privacy regime, satellite control, repair and regulation of equipment, parking and equipment, etc. Believe me for the money, this is comparable to the complexes themselves, if all this had not been stolen and sold, it would have been easier to restore. And so to create everything in a new way, really a lot of money, so I think the decision is probably currently considered and calculated! soldier

          Quote: "In March this year, Russia bought US bonds worth $ 13,5 billion and brought its investment in this asset to almost $ 100 billion. There is bewilderment: how is it that finances sing romances in the country, and we also help others!" Source: http://www.mk.ru/economics/2017/05/16/rossiya-zak
          achala-xnumx-mlrd-v-ekonomiku-ssha-kupiv-amerikansk
          ie-obligacii.html
          1. 23424636
            23424636 6 December 2017 12: 20 New
            +7
            the fact is that those boys and girls sitting at the State Bank of Russia did not study in love for Russia but practiced in England or America how to hate it under the guise of artificially created economic problems, After all, how the banking school was formed in the USSR by means of the most severe control over the spending of funds and not financing trillion US debts. Here ask these even Kudrin at least this Elvira if they have scientific developments on avoiding the power of the dollar, they a priori do not even see how it can be .. Here they introduced the World card system, why not make it comprehensive and ban Euro Visas and see how the Chaldeans conquer in Moscow
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 6 December 2017 18: 26 New
              +2
              Well, you need to change these "boys and girls" and "chop off their tail to the very head" am good
        2. In100gram
          In100gram 6 December 2017 20: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Major Yurik
          the operation of these trains is accompanied by a huge infrastructure of security, privacy regime, satellite control, repair and regulation of equipment, parking and equipment, etc. Believe me for the money, this is comparable to the complexes themselves, if all this had not been plundered and sold, it would have been easier to restore

          Why maintain the infrastructure and so on in the absence of the complexes themselves? You have a substitution of concepts. It is not possible to maintain the infrastructure of what is no longer there. The key here was the rejection of complexes. Everything else is secondary, for support. Now of course it is all over again, and the complexes, and the infrastructure. This is how launcher mines were left in the republics. It was also
        3. ZVO
          ZVO 6 December 2017 21: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Major Yurik
          In my service I had to not only see, but also be inside these trains (well, of course, not in the launch car). :


          Judging by that. what and how you write - you're half lying!
          You only saw from the side maybe, since you served in the railway troops perhaps.
          Inside there is completely unkosher.
          and enuresis arose just in our military from such conditions of service.
          And our travelers. from such trains ..

          The local forum member Veksna50 served on Well done ... They wrote everything differently,
          1. Major Yurik
            Major Yurik 7 December 2017 00: 28 New
            +2
            You see, dear Alex! There was, yes it is, but now in a very truncated composition, the Military Communications Service, where I served. If this tells you something, then you yourself will understand what and how I could see, but if not, then there’s nothing to say! And I never had anything to do with the respected travelers. soldier hi
    2. Teberii
      Teberii 6 December 2017 10: 49 New
      +2
      So if they don’t throw off at all, it makes no sense to return to whom they are so beautiful here. At least for retirees.
    3. Chertt
      Chertt 6 December 2017 10: 50 New
      +4
      No one "Barguzin" is not going to close. A lot of cracking about him in the media, quieter
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 6 December 2017 11: 20 New
        +1
        I also think a smoke screen. And there is too much in the press about new weapons.
        1. askort154
          askort154 6 December 2017 11: 52 New
          +6
          asiat_61..Also think a smoke screen. And so much in the press about weapons new.

          Also inclined to this. The rocket is almost ready. Russian Railways rested for a long time. They have a great additional burden, both technical and organizational. The previous version, "Well done," was 110 tons in weight and 60 meters long. Now, for the Barguzin, a modification of the RS-24 is being prepared. Weight max. starting - 47,2 tons. Length - 22,6 m. range - 11-12 tons. km. So "Barguzin" fits into the parameters of ordinary cars. The case for rolling stock. I don’t think that there are unbearable costs. Rather, it will take a lot of time now to develop technologies and organizational measures for the implantation of Barguzin in Russian Railways. (From the articles of the "World Review")
          1. dSK
            dSK 6 December 2017 12: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: askort154
            for survival "Barguzin

            "The Russian Defense Ministry confirmed reports of a temporary suspension of the development of the Barguzin combat railway missile complex (BZHRK). But the agency does not completely abandon the project, a source in the Moscow Region said. Last year, the missile train successfully passed side tests. During the first stage checked the correctness of the algorithms for preparing the missile for launch, exit from the launcher and the operation of the launch equipment. According to sources, flight tests of the rocket were supposed to pass in 2019. " (The first Russian TV channel "Tsargrad" 10:37., 06.2017.) Barguzin is from Dnepropetrovsk, specialists will get over, they will obtain Russian citizenship, get comfortable and help launch Barguzin 2.0 hi
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 6 December 2017 11: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        No one "Barguzin" is not going to close. A lot of cracking about him in the media, quieter

        Kindergarten.
    4. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 6 December 2017 10: 53 New
      +9
      Well, let the GDP shake its oligarchic wards! Then really there will be something to respect him for!
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 6 December 2017 11: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Evgeniy667b
        Well, let the GDP shake its oligarchic wards! Then really there will be something to respect him for!

        He doesn’t need your respect
        The Russian people respect him. And there is a reason.
        But the conditions are riskier to put your mother-in-law, if you have grown to the mother-in-law.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 6 December 2017 11: 06 New
          +9
          Quote: Vladimir16

          He doesn’t need your respect
          The Russian people respect him. And there is a reason.


          A very controversial statement, both in the first line and in the second ...
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 6 December 2017 11: 15 New
            11
            Quote: Nasr
            A very controversial statement, both in the first line and in the second ...

            Well, this Colleague is your opinion and your business, but you don’t have to answer for all the people, I can answer for myself that I respect Putin, he has done much more and better than Borka Alkasha and Judas Mishka Mechen, and in comparison with the panopticon that his surrounds and opposition request Excuse me, it’s better that Putin is better than Navalny’s horse. But this is also my opinion, and not the whole nation. hi
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 6 December 2017 11: 19 New
              +9
              Colleague, for all the people answered Vladimir 16...I corrected him and said the same thing as you - No need to speak for all the people ...
              And when you compare the native president with shit (BNU, etc.) - it does not honor him ... but only says that you choose the least of two evils. hi

              146 million people, and Putin is normal only? Then the country disappeared - Putin is not eternal! How are you going to live then?
              1. vovanpain
                vovanpain 6 December 2017 11: 44 New
                +5
                Quote: Nasr
                146 million people, and Putin is normal only?

                Colleague, yes, the stump is clear that there are many more normal people, but they are closed to the government or the entrance or they themselves do not want to climb into all this dirt. And why is the least evil request I respect Putin for not letting Russia fall apart as the USSR, for the return of Crimea, but they’ve begun to live much better, I don’t speak for everyone, I speak for myself, but stability, stability, but I have to move forward, but I hope only for myself, neither Putin, neither Bulk nor Trump will feed my family. hi
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 6 December 2017 11: 48 New
                  +6
                  Quote: vovanpain

                  Colleague, yes, the stump is clear that there are much more normal people, but im in power or entrance is closed..

                  But open to Bulk, Submariners and more laughing
                  Against the backdrop of idiots, the intellectual, the intelligence officer plays so favorably !!!
                  Quote: vovanpain
                  I respect Putin for not letting Russia fall apart like the USSR, for the return of the Crimea, but they began to live much better ....

                  For past merits they give a pension and orders ... in this regard, your statement is true:
                  Quote: vovanpain
                  ..a need to move forward ...


                  1. vovanpain
                    vovanpain 6 December 2017 11: 56 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Nasr
                    But it’s open for Navalny, Sabchachnyh and so on. Against the backdrop of idiots, the intellectual, the intelligence officer plays so favorably !!!

                    Absolutely agree Colleague! drinks hi
                    1. Nasrat
                      Nasrat 6 December 2017 11: 58 New
                      +2
                      Quote: vovanpain

                      Absolutely agree Colleague! drinks hi


                      Accepted! drinks hi
            2. Mihanishche
              Mihanishche 6 December 2017 11: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: vovanpain
              Quote: Nasr
              A very controversial statement, both in the first line and in the second ...

              Well, this Colleague is your opinion and your business, but you don’t have to answer for all the people, I can answer for myself that I respect Putin, he has done much more and better than Borka Alkasha and Judas Mishka Mechen, and in comparison with the panopticon that his surrounds and opposition request Excuse me, it’s better that Putin is better than Navalny’s horse. But this is also my opinion, and not the whole nation. hi
              - I welcome, Anatoly! hi
              Correctly said how snapped.
            3. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 6 December 2017 13: 12 New
              +4
              Quote: vovanpain
              Excuse me, it’s better that Putin is better than Navalny’s horse. But this is also my opinion, and not the whole nation.

              Vladimir, why are you exaggerating everything - Putin or Navalny ?! Grudinin, than not the president, if only Zyuganov did not reject him in his favor hi
              1. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty 6 December 2017 15: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                Grudinin, than not the president,

                Cool man. Putin would need people like him to be his assistant advisers, not the current kleptomaniacs.
                But only if Grudinin declares his intention to run for president, he will be immediately torn. According to the same scheme, as torn, for example, Khodorkovsky. And then put at the head of the farm to them. Lenin is an "effective manager" and he will arrange a wasteland from a flowering garden.
        2. Unibor
          Unibor 6 December 2017 19: 07 New
          +1
          Are you people? Isn’t it too bold to speak for all the people
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 December 2017 11: 16 New
      +3
      Call the state program "From Titov's friends"
    6. Scoun
      Scoun 6 December 2017 11: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: newbie
      Let Titov’s wards be thrown to the state program.

      There, at least Mutko and Zhukov must be added to the wards. (Zhukov infuriated me with his excuses for the IOC, such as rejoicing that the "case" was stopped, and that he was "tactfully" silent about Russia being thrown out of the OI, fearing for a fee.
      It’s him who needs to fill a neutral flag on his forehead, as a white variant.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 6 December 2017 11: 21 New
        +4
        By the way, yes. and plus those 15limons of a fine.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 6 December 2017 18: 29 New
        +1
        Slippers he needs to give out white. am
    7. papas-57
      papas-57 6 December 2017 12: 29 New
      +1
      In Russia, the oligarchs are over. Call for help from a prince from Saudi Arabia if our prosecutor’s office does not want to work. And the money will miraculously appear.
    8. NEXUS
      NEXUS 6 December 2017 13: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: newbie
      Let Titov’s wards be thrown to the state program.

      The second time I read a similar article about the removal of Barguzin from the rearmament program ... and I come to such an idea, are they not letting dust into the eyes of the public and the West, talking about curtailing the work, but at the same time, quietly continue to finish the BZHRD? I don’t know, there seems to be no prerequisite to think so, but everything is at the level of Chuyka ... maybe I'm wrong.
      1. Seryoga Gord
        Seryoga Gord 6 December 2017 18: 06 New
        +1
        ... everything is at the Chuyka level ..., I have to disappoint you, but there is no big-headed in our power, from the word at all, but the Kremlin’s Eustace, Alex from the center will not have orders, alas, ah ...))
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 6 December 2017 18: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Seryoga Gord
          ... everything is at the Chuyka level ..., I have to disappoint you, but there is no big-headed in our power, from the word at all, but the Kremlin’s Eustace, Alex from the center will not have orders, alas, ah ...))

          Yes, do not pour salt on the wounds ... and so with these Olympics, Barguzins and so on sickening ... uh, the day started, damn it.
          1. Seryoga Gord
            Seryoga Gord 6 December 2017 18: 17 New
            0
            The leaders, again, bent cool in front of the West -
            Agree without a flag, anthem, in sports,
            Kremlin, the glitter of gold in the piggy bank if only there was ...
            The people are silent ... The rulers are terrible ...

            do we need grief ...))
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    10. Lexus
      Lexus 7 December 2017 01: 10 New
      +1
      The usual story. There is progress ... Just no money

  2. Topotun
    Topotun 6 December 2017 10: 48 New
    +3
    Yeah, sorry though. Although our pocket is not rubber at all.
  3. Shurale
    Shurale 6 December 2017 10: 49 New
    +6
    To take money from pensioners for the sake of the Americans is sacred, but to take money from pensioners for the sake of rockets - the hand did not rise.
  4. Mihanishche
    Mihanishche 6 December 2017 10: 51 New
    +2
    Correct solution! We don’t know much, now we have a task to build up conventional weapons. Why do we need a radioactive European province? So take it, whole, with their plants.
    I personally support this decision. And I highly recommend it to everyone.
    1. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 6 December 2017 11: 03 New
      +1
      But didn’t you the mishandled Cossack yesterday offered to drop a couple of nuclear bombs on Minsk, that’s something your opinions change every day
      1. Mihanishche
        Mihanishche 6 December 2017 11: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Warrior-80
        But didn’t you the mishandled Cossack yesterday offered to drop a couple of nuclear bombs on Minsk, that’s something your opinions change every day
        - and Belarus tse Europe? And what is there to take something? Bulb?
        Well, I'm for wit, just a couple.
        And in general, I only expressed my opinion, and the leaders must decide and I warmly support their opinion! :)
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    2. basmach
      basmach 6 December 2017 11: 04 New
      +2
      And you, dear, will go to pick up the European province. In the forefront of the orchestra.
    3. Dangerous
      Dangerous 6 December 2017 11: 07 New
      +2
      Correctly! And if they say along the first channel with a bare ass from the roof we will also support jumping! And I highly recommend it to everyone.
      PS Are you going to take away the "European province with factories" ?? Report then on VO about this do not forget to place.
      PPS what kind of clowns are found here?
      1. Mihanishche
        Mihanishche 6 December 2017 11: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Dangerous
        Correctly! And if they say along the first channel with a bare ass from the roof we will also support jumping! And I highly recommend it to everyone.
        PS Are you going to take away the "European province with factories" ?? Report then on VO about this do not forget to place.
        PPS what kind of clowns are found here?
        - Do you support our country? Do not support Russia?
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 6 December 2017 12: 17 New
          0
          dude, that's enough to be kidding here. I have lunch, but because of the laughter your posts do not climb food))
  5. nikolaev
    nikolaev 6 December 2017 10: 52 New
    +5
    for such a "shortage" the whole government needs to be on the bunk for treason
  6. Nemesis
    Nemesis 6 December 2017 10: 57 New
    11
    You need to save on Chubais, not on the army
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 6 December 2017 11: 05 New
      +3
      Chubais, he is untouchable. He is watching our country.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 6 December 2017 11: 06 New
        +2
        Let him look at his country in Latvia, along with his sidekicks ... He has been sawing logs like 25 for years like him ...
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 6 December 2017 11: 44 New
          +5
          Quote: Nemesis
          Let him look at his country in Latvia, along with his sidekicks ... He has been sawing logs like 25 for years like him ...

          No, dear, you are mistaken, ice ax.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 December 2017 18: 44 New
            +1
            Your proposal, Svetlana, will also suit me perfectly ....
  7. svp67
    svp67 6 December 2017 11: 01 New
    +1
    There is no money for all missile programs for the Strategic Missile Forces, we had to temporarily donate Barguzin for the sake of Sarmatian and PC-26 Frontier, included in the new state program
    Well, at least honestly. May God grant that the Ministry of Finance found money for these programs, otherwise it may not be found ...
  8. zivXP
    zivXP 6 December 2017 11: 03 New
    +7
    If the design bureau sits without work, then after a while it turns out to be without specialists.
  9. Egorovich
    Egorovich 6 December 2017 11: 05 New
    +4
    A sad picture, if it's still true. Many in the West will breathe a sigh of relief, which would not be desirable.
  10. Mihanishche
    Mihanishche 6 December 2017 11: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: basmach
    And you, dear, will go to pick up the European province. In the forefront of the orchestra.
    - The age is not the same already, but I can help as I can. Not at the front line, I won my own, hehe ...
  11. 2k11
    2k11 6 December 2017 11: 09 New
    +1
    There are 2 options for the validity of refusing to deploy BZHRK:
    1. in view of the fact that the main recipient of “light and heat” from our Strategic Rocket Forces is located overseas, it was decided at the top that two dozen Clubes on a container ship with a “convenient flag” or a dozen “Scythians” outside busy traffic routes are easier, cheaper and more appropriate.
    - the risks of the corresponding conflict with sufficient efficiency are covered by already deployed systems;
    2. The projected deadlines for "day X" are lower than the possible deployment dates for the BZHRK, therefore it is more efficient to channel the savings on shorter-term projects.
  12. Runoway
    Runoway 6 December 2017 11: 15 New
    +5
    No need to chat about lack of money am
    Why do we need barguzin? If anything we use super-weapons, such as the Zenith arena, Sochi facilities (again we will throw medals of adversary), the Turkish nuclear power plant, and indeed all those states for which we have forgiven debts and much more will fight for us
  13. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 6 December 2017 11: 15 New
    +3
    Shake the "effective managers" - that’s the money there, the "hard workers" have stolen, let them shell out!
  14. loginovich
    loginovich 6 December 2017 11: 27 New
    +3
    ahead of the rest[B] [/ b]

    Meanwhile, when GDP does not have enough money for defense, the number of millionaires and billionaires in Russia is steadily growing by leaps and bounds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyQdqsmBcE
  15. shark
    shark 6 December 2017 12: 12 New
    +2
    a shame. it is a resource-rich country in the world. One voyage of citizens around the ruble and you can develop a death star. Shame on you!
  16. 23424636
    23424636 6 December 2017 12: 27 New
    0
    my opinion is all connected with MIT, I recently read Solomonov’s speech about the breakthroughs of his missiles of the US missile defense system and people understood that he had no more arguments or brains to do defense without money. . It’s time to bring this topic to Makeevtseev. I think the Urals will do it at the expense of their resources. But the topic cannot be closed.
  17. ddd1975
    ddd1975 6 December 2017 12: 31 New
    0
    Well, we believe ... what about the Russian newspaper ...
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 December 2017 12: 47 New
    +3
    The interlocutor of the agency said that there is no money for all missile programs,
    Strange, but everyone argues that Trezheris is super profitable, have they really earned one train? Can then withdraw billions from Omerika?
  19. vanavatny
    vanavatny 6 December 2017 13: 44 New
    +1
    and the football championship is how much? requestregardless of barguzin, there’s no hospital in Appathy ...
  20. Enoch
    Enoch 6 December 2017 13: 55 New
    +2
    More likely from behind a hillock they asked - it is painfully difficult to track this train.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 December 2017 21: 38 New
      +2
      Not of any complexity - at the places of deployment.
  21. Victor Popov
    Victor Popov 6 December 2017 14: 55 New
    0
    our "armored train on the siding"
  22. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 6 December 2017 15: 03 New
    +1
    This is a sign of the leadership’s continued lack of strategic planning - they play with expensive programs like children. Now this practice has reached the Strategic Missile Forces ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 December 2017 21: 39 New
      +2
      Strategic Missile Forces this complex nafig is not needed - because it is full of other complexes.
  23. Siberian 1975
    Siberian 1975 6 December 2017 17: 48 New
    +1
    In the end, stealing from ........ negative
  24. Den nn
    Den nn 6 December 2017 18: 22 New
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    Yes, and I'm for Putin! And you can as you want. I do not care...
  25. Old military officer
    Old military officer 6 December 2017 18: 30 New
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    It's a pity. It would be nice for sad people about whom the bribe-bussiness bother would take care of this problem. Tea, if fraternally thrown off, then that's enough. Voluntarily.
  26. Unibor
    Unibor 6 December 2017 18: 44 New
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    Bastards !!!! Fuck this Ch. Mopo for football, better money would be spent on the BZHRK, the bastards are vile
  27. Jamaal Asif
    Jamaal Asif 6 December 2017 18: 52 New
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    Shitty, damn it. And how zp bureaucrats raise, so it please ..
  28. jaguar
    jaguar 6 December 2017 19: 11 New
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    so let them steal less ... enough for everything
  29. Old26
    Old26 6 December 2017 21: 34 New
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    Quote: Major Yurik
    In my service I had to not only see, but also be inside these trains (well, of course, not in the launch car). The thing is good, useful and caused anurez in the “partners” that was not localized even by a double diaper! But the operation of these trains is accompanied by a huge infrastructure of security, privacy regime, satellite control, repair and regulation of equipment, parking and equipment, etc. Believe me for the money, this is comparable to the complexes themselves, if all this had not been stolen and sold, it would have been easier to restore. And so to create everything in a new way, really a lot of money, so I think the decision is probably currently considered and calculated! soldier

    That's it, comrade. It is the destroyed infrastructure that is now the bottleneck. It will be necessary not only to create permanent deployment centers, but it’s sorry a sickly railway station, And besides all this, it will be necessary to build military camps. Don’t say that, but the previous ones were still created on the basis of the existing social infrastructure ....
    Now it’s easier and cheaper from an economic point of view to deploy in several existing divisions one more additional PGRK regimentthan to start all this for the sake of one division. Moreover, the division of the BZHRK is 5 trains of 6 rockets in the composition. Total 30 missiles. Expand 5 additional regiments of soil complexes - it's not 30, but 45 missiles ....

    Quote: askort154
    Auger is inclined to this. The rocket is almost ready. Russian Railways rested for a long time. They have a great additional burden, both technical and organizational. The previous version, "Well done," was 110 tons in weight and 60 meters long. Now, for the Barguzin, a modification of the RS-24 is being prepared. Weight max. starting - 47,2 tons. Length - 22,6 m. range - 11-12 tons. km. So "Barguzin" fits into the parameters of ordinary cars. The case for rolling stock. I don’t think that there are excessive costs. Rather, it will take a lot of time now to develop technologies and organizational measures for implanting Barguzin in Russian Railways. (From the articles of the "World Review")

    Yes, accuracy is phenomenal. A rocket with a length of 23,6 meters and a launch mass of 105 tons turned into a rocket with a launch mass of 110 tons (okay, this is a trifle) and a length of as much as 60 meters. Where did you find such enchanting data?
    Well and further - continuous extravaganza. No rockets yet, there was only a thrust launch of the main gun and not the standard missile of the complex, but possibly the Yars, and already known and the starting mass and length, and firing range ....

    Quote: svp67
    Well, at least honestly. May God grant that the Ministry of Finance found money for these programs, otherwise it may not be found ...

    God grant, but it seems that these are not enough. At least the deployment of the Rubezh, according to the same commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, was supposed to begin in the 4th quarter of 2016. But while dead silence

    Quote: 23424636
    my opinion is all connected with MIT, I recently read Solomonov’s speech about the breakthroughs of his missiles of the US missile defense system and people understood that he had no more arguments or brains to do defense without money. . It’s time to bring this topic to Makeevtseev. I think the Urals will do it at the expense of their resources. But the topic cannot be closed.

    Yeah, Makeyevtsy will make a solid rocket with a launch mass of 200 tons. And the train will be wow. Only there will be something to stand in a dead end ...
    You understand so much that you determine by match that the general designer has no brains .... By chance, aren't you in his place ????
  30. Old26
    Old26 6 December 2017 21: 57 New
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    Quote: Vadim237
    Not of any complexity - at the places of deployment.

    And now in general there will be one place of deployment
  31. Hardyhard
    Hardyhard 6 December 2017 22: 33 New
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    He said that he closed the program and .. deceived) and no one will look for him anymore ... it's simple)
  32. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 6 December 2017 22: 50 New
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    [Believe me for the money, this is comparable to the complexes themselves, if all this had not been stolen and sold, it would have been easier to restore. And to create everything in a new way, really a lot of money, so I think the decision is probably thought out and calculated right now = Major Yurik] In my service I had to not only see, but also be inside these trains (well, of course, not in the launch car). The thing is good, useful and caused anurez in the “partners” that was not localized even by a double diaper! But the operation of these trains is accompanied by a huge infrastructure of security, privacy regime, satellite control, repair and regulation of equipment, parking and equipment, etc. new! [/ quote]
    [i] [/ i] And tell me, where did the infrastructure go? Special dead ends intended only for them at the stations were not dismantled at the training ground. Traction repair and inspection of rolling stock at technical stations was carried out. Parking and equipment were made on their own tracks, there was an expl. length of paths, mom don't cry
  33. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 6 December 2017 22: 59 New
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    Quote: askort154
    Auger is inclined to this. The rocket is almost ready. Russian Railways rested for a long time. They have a great additional burden, both technical and organizational. The previous version, "Well done," was 110 tons in weight and 60 meters long. Now, for the Barguzin, a modification of the RS-24 is being prepared. Weight max. starting - 47,2 tons. Length - 22,6 m. range - 11-12 tons. km. So "Barguzin" fits into the parameters of ordinary cars. The case for rolling stock. I don’t think that there are excessive costs. Rather, it will take a lot of time now to develop technologies and organizational measures for implanting Barguzin in Russian Railways. (From the articles of the "World Review")

    [b] [/ b] what is the big load? Even a “Barguzin” rocket is 110 tons plus a boxcar of about 50 tons, totaling 160 tons. It turns out, we divide by 6 axes - we get about 26 tons per axis. A gondola car with crushed stone, coal goes almost under 25 tons.
  34. Old26
    Old26 7 December 2017 00: 43 New
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    Quote: 406ppmp2gv
    And tell me, where did the infrastructure go? Special dead ends intended only for them at the stations were not dismantled at the test range. Traction repair and inspection of rolling stock at technical stations was carried out. Parking and equipment were made on their own tracks, there is an expl. length of paths, mom don't cry

    Where? In the "junk". Residential townships transferred to local municipalities. Points of permanent deployment - in ruins. The only thing left is uninhabited semi-stations on the traffic routes. Below is a photo from the permanent deployment point of the Kostroma division. More precisely, what remains of the once living organism, where the actions you write about were performed, namely
    traction repair and inspection of rolling stock at technical stations was carried out. Parking and equipment is made on their own ways


    Building No. 1 - Technological Building (TC)



    In the TC, operations were carried out to load (unload) TPK into the 15T272 unit, dock the warhead, check ground and airborne control systems, SPr, and technological equipment of the launch module.

    Building No. 2 - Maintenance Point (PTO)


    In VET, almost all units of the complex were serviced. These are checks of all technological systems (SAE, TBP, hydraulics, etc.). Here, the replacement of diesel units for the running hours was made.

    Building No. 9 - diesel locomotive depot (TVD).


    The purpose is clear from the name, i.e. all types of maintenance for rolling stock: cars and diesel locomotives. It had a workshop well equipped with all kinds of machine tools (ORM didn’t even dream about it ...) Another feature: the 15T357 system - a special set of equipment for replacing BZHRK carriages (this equipment was not in the Ministry of Railways).

    Now it’s too late to look for photographs of the access roads (more precisely, what remains) of this PDP. As well as photographs inside these structures, in which ruin and emptiness reigns
  35. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 7 December 2017 05: 49 New
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    No money? It is better to fight corruption with the complete confiscation of property. Here, Colonel Zakharchenko, who was fighting corruption, found 9.5 billion in cash. Maybe it's better to look at the rest of the anti-corruption fighters. There is money in the country. Much money. So much money.
  36. Wladimir mador
    Wladimir mador 11 December 2017 01: 17 New
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    There is surely money to be found, why build a state that cannot be defended? No one will ever attack Germany, France, Holland, etc. In such countries, taking nothing, fighting for a one-time looting does not make any sense. The invaders need natural resources, this is enough in Russia. So the rod is all behind these riches.
    Only people like Nadezhdin, Dryndin, Nekrasov, Amnuel and the like (generally newcomers) can have a different opinion (they believe that they can be attached). They are very mistaken, they are used while they are needed, and if necessary, they are eliminated. It has always been and always will be.
  37. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 17 December 2017 18: 36 New
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    It’s a pity. Barguzin wouldn’t hurt us. Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Russian people, Russian Orthodox.
  38. Old26
    Old26 17 December 2017 20: 52 New
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    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    It’s a pity. Barguzin wouldn’t hurt us. Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Russian people, Russian Orthodox.

    What is not a post is one and the same refrain. But what for is he Russia? Arguably able to say, not quote every time
    Only pride for Russian Orthodox Russia, for Russian Orthodox, for the people of Russia Russian Orthodox.