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What caused the disruption of today's Arrow-3 Israeli missile defense system?

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The head of the Israeli missile defense program (PRO), Moshe Patel, said that today he had to abandon the conduct of anti-missile tests for the Arrow-3 system. At a meeting in the Ministry of Defense of Israel, Moshe Patel reported on the reasons that forced him to refuse to conduct tests after the launch of the goal:
Shortly after the target was launched, it began to behave in such a way that it did not meet the predetermined security parameters. In this regard, we were forced to stop testing.



Patel noted that now engineers are busy studying the issue related to why the target released for testing anti-missiles began to behave in an unpredictable way. This is reported by the portal. DefenseNews.

The missile defense specialist noted that all the collected data will be carefully analyzed and will form the basis of the new testing phase.
At the same time, the manufacturer of the anti-missile system of the Arrow-3 complex (IAI - Israel Aerospace Industries) stressed that the cancellation of the missile test of the missile defense system is in no way connected with the operational parameters of the anti-missile itself.

What caused the disruption of today's Arrow-3 Israeli missile defense system?


From the statement by IAI Executive Vice President Boaz Levy:
We were fully prepared for these tests. In today's case, it was decided to stop the process even before the interceptor missile was launched. We will analyze everything that happened today and prepare for the next test as quickly as possible.


The Israeli Ministry of Defense confirmed that the problems with the tests arose precisely with the air target, and not with the antimissile itself. This led the experts to ask a question: for the use of a missile defense system based on Arrow-3, should the target always behave predictably for the Israeli troops?

For reference: Arrow-3 missile defense system is developed in cooperation with the Israeli company IAI and American Boeing.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 4 December 2017 19: 16 New
    +1
    There were flaws. Ordinary situation. For the importance of the moment it is required to weave "Russian hackers". How without them?
    1. Monos
      Monos 4 December 2017 19: 21 New
      21
      The Jews are cunning. smile How can this interfere with missile defense tests? Launched another target and shoot! But others can analyze the behavior of the target.
      1. Sergey53
        Sergey53 4 December 2017 19: 28 New
        29
        She was unpredictable. It was not following a ballistic trajectory. They could not bring her down. So what a shame.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 December 2017 19: 47 New
          12
          If all the missiles were on a given, understandable trajectory !!! Probably they would be shot down from slingshots !!! What will they shoot down their missile defense?
          In short, it looks like it cannot ... let's see how it turns out, the enemy’s missiles are getting smarter, they can maneuver.
          In short, how is the Jews doing so? but in our opinion such fluffy animals, furry animals!
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 4 December 2017 20: 02 New
            13
            Quote: rocket757
            If all the missiles were on a given, understandable trajectory !!! Probably they would be shot down from slingshots !!!

            Here I am about the same thing ... that is, as long as there is data on the trajectory of the target, everything is fine, as soon as the target began to behave unpredictably, the missile can no longer intercept it.
            Apparently this is based on the assumption that the enemy will knowingly throw off the flight path of the Israelis with promises that it will not turn anywhere from the given path.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 4 December 2017 22: 02 New
              13
              We want everything to be as calculated and predictable as at the Katustin Yar training ground. wink
              But, unfortunately, over the Mediterranean Sea, liners fly to resorts. And you won’t tell them: “cancel flights.” And to fill up a liner instead of a low flying target is somehow dumb ... stop And so we are "violent aggressors" with a bad reputation.
              1. The Siberian barber
                The Siberian barber 4 December 2017 22: 57 New
                +5
                I apologize to ask: why such a reputation?)
              2. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 5 December 2017 08: 59 New
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                And so we are "violent aggressors" with a bad reputation.

                Well, finally at least someone admitted !!! laughing
              3. ssergn
                ssergn 5 December 2017 12: 32 New
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                And so we are "violent aggressors" with a bad reputation.


                Why not? wassat
                Welcome. laughing
              4. Mih1974
                Mih1974 5 December 2017 13: 16 New
                +1
                laughing tongue That is, you admit that your "super duper cool ABM" can "make a mistake" and shoot down not enemy missiles but a passenger plane? lol So you are pierced.
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 4 December 2017 22: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: rocket757
            In short, how is the Jews doing so? but in our opinion such fluffy animals, furry animals!

            So, they got in touch with the Americans, but for “these” everything should be predictable and predictable. If the situation has changed a little from the standard, then there comes a stupor, depression and the image of a Russian hacker in the doorway.
        2. bk316
          bk316 5 December 2017 16: 22 New
          +2
          Well no
          “Shortly after the goal was launched, it began to behave in a way that did not meet predetermined safety parameters.

          in translation into ordinary language means: LIGHTHOUSE BROKEN
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 5 December 2017 16: 25 New
          0
          She was unpredictable.
          About 15 years ago, he told his son tales that he would obey: crocodiles live in the river under the ice, white, molt for the winter. They crawl out from under the ice and bite at the heels of naughty children. You have to have time to shout: "I won’t bullies anymore, I will listen to it"
          EXCEPT "RUSSIAN HACKERS" ALREADY APPEARED AND "RUSSIAN WHITE, UNDERWEAR Crocodiles"
          also interfere with living peacefully
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 4 December 2017 19: 34 New
        10
        Quote: Monos
        The Jews are cunning. smile How can this interfere with missile defense tests? Launched another target and shoot! But others can analyze the behavior of the target.

        Even as you can.

        Israel’s Ministry of Defense has canceled the Arrow 3 missile defense system’s planned testing today due to a security breach regarding the intercepted model. "The test was canceled at an early stage after the launched target turned out to be inconsistent with the safety protocols established in advance," the ministry said in a statement.
        The defense department said that the target under the working name "Black Sparrow", which was supposed to simulate a ballistic missile, did not gain the appropriate height, and therefore the interception could lead to risk for the movement of aircraft. In this regard, the chief engineer wrote “no test” in the test results, which differs from the unsuccessful result. The Department of Defense has launched an investigation into the reasons why the Black Sparrow missile did not function properly.

        Preparation for the missile test - telemetry (electronic reconnaissance aircraft) IAI around Crete-Malta and 2 Bizs (call sign "arrow") at high altitudes over Israel. All civilian flights were redirected north of the TLV. (to Haifa) Moshe Fattal, head of the Khoma administration at the Ministry of Defense, said the test was suspended early because the target did not meet safety standards. “We are trying to study what happened to the target and why it did not behave as expected,” Fattal said, adding that the test report was normal and they could not intercept the target at high altitude as planned. Interception at a lower altitude could be a danger to nearby aircraft.

        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 4 December 2017 19: 50 New
          13
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          they would not be able to intercept the target at high altitude, as planned. Interception at a lower altitude could be a danger to nearby aircraft.

          In simple terms, the anti-missile (complex) could not intercept even "at a given" height. Blah blah blah about the danger to aircraft can be thrown back, since the target was self-destructed (it could not be braked and returned to the launch site), and self-destruction (undermining) implies the same danger to civilians. And do not missile launch areas, let alone test launches, close? In short: the iron dome was covered with a copper basin. laughing
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 4 December 2017 19: 59 New
            16
            Quote: kirgiz58

            In simple terms, the anti-missile (complex) could not intercept even "at a given" height. Blah blah blah about the danger to aircraft can be thrown back, since the target was self-destructed (it could not be braked and returned to the launch site), and self-destruction (undermining) implies the same danger to civilians. And do not missile launch areas, let alone test launches, close? In short: the iron dome was covered with a copper basin. laughing

            As you wish. Do you really think that I will argue with your emotions. Especially with a person who does not distinguish "Hetz" from the "Iron Dome". "
            1. kirgiz58
              kirgiz58 4 December 2017 20: 10 New
              12
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              Especially with a person who does not distinguish "Hetz" from the "Iron Dome". "

              We are all distinguished. This (iron and copper) was as a "pun". And your "Hets" is more consistent with the Hets, but with the letter "P". Here is a game of letters laughing. And my emotions are positive, and therefore I share them with you. Take more, I do not mind. hi Sorry no bales.
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 4 December 2017 20: 29 New
                +5
                laughing Agony !!!!!!
          2. Professor
            Professor 4 December 2017 21: 33 New
            12
            Quote: kirgiz58
            Blah blah blah about the danger to aircraft can be thrown back, since the target was self-destructed (it could not be braked and returned to the launch site), and self-destruction (undermining) implies the same danger to civilians.

            Do you propose to take an example from your Ukrainian brothers who shot down your passenger plane in an exercise? Thanks, no. We have our own safety standards.

            PS
            I am glad that the native MO does not hide failures from taxpayers. This is the only way to succeed.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 4 December 2017 21: 39 New
              +6
              Yes, what we wish to our partners without quotes from the RF Ministry of Defense. It's just that people here do not understand the size of our airspace. Overlap? Yes.....?
              1. Professor
                Professor 4 December 2017 21: 44 New
                +6
                Quote: Shahno
                Yes, what we wish to our partners without quotes from the RF Ministry of Defense. It's just that people here do not understand the size of our airspace. Overlap? Yes.....?

                So what? Announce a no-fly zone half of the Mediterranean Sea. wink

                And let all these planes sit at home. Including Russian boards carrying tourists to Egypt.
            2. Dym71
              Dym71 4 December 2017 21: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Thanks, no. We have our own safety standards.

              Not only security, Prof! drinks
            3. rocket757
              rocket757 4 December 2017 22: 46 New
              +6
              They don’t hide it, it’s good and even right ... only in fact that HRENTS, that KUMPOL will not parallel citizens why it fell on their heads, if there is something left from those citizens, taxpayers ???
              It seems to me that citizens from the shores of the Dead Sea are trying to soar the brain of everyone and everything, once again.
              They would say simply - Well, I couldn’t! - ... They cast a shadow on the wattle fence, they also dragged dill here, as if we didn’t have our own guano.
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 4 December 2017 20: 02 New
          11
          Aron Zawi Today, 19:34
          The defense department said that the target under the working name "Black Sparrow", which was supposed to simulate a ballistic missile, did not gain the appropriate height, and therefore interception could result in a risk to aircraft traffic.

          It seems to me that the “artificial intelligence” of the target rocket really wanted to live and took appropriate measures, hiding among the “aircraft”.
          - If you want to live, you’re not so heated. laughing
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 4 December 2017 21: 01 New
            0
            Quote: Freeman
            It seems to me that the "artificial intelligence" of the target rocket

            And it seems to me that this AI had an intellect that exceeded the sum of three intellects (rocket + installation + calculation), since he combined these three. laughing
        3. Tusv
          Tusv 4 December 2017 21: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Even as you can.

          It can be, it can be. Only what to do with the evil RTV - Balistic goal, Start the Mediterranean Sea. “It's like a midfielder gives to an attacker” - a play by Adam and Eve hi
          1. Silkway0026
            Silkway0026 4 December 2017 21: 04 New
            +3
            The sewer pipe turned out to be the wrong system))))) Probably not bought in a Jewish plumbing store, but in Arabic (cheaper). Not kosher))))
        4. Asthma
          Asthma 5 December 2017 10: 19 New
          0
          Greetings, God's chosen one!
          as I understand it, they wanted to conduct tests over the waters of the Red Sea?
      3. opus
        opus 4 December 2017 22: 55 New
        +8
        Quote: Monos
        Launched another target and shoot! BUT

        1.window.
        There they have a very busy schedule (air and sea vessels)
        31 ° 53′52 ″ s. w. 34 ° 41′26 ″ c. d.

        Palmachim (air base)

        Target launches from the eastern Mediterranean
        2. The “second”, “other” target simply was not
        'Sparrow' is a rather expensive and heavy bear.


        Quote: Sergey53
        They could not bring it down. So what for shame.

        Sparrow (Hebrew) has a self-destruct.
        ballistic missile (simulator) air launch.
        Self-liquidating and no one would have noticed.


        Quote: Author
        This led the experts to ask a question: to use a missile defense system based on Arrow-3, the goal should always be behave predictably for the Israeli troops?

        What сп sperds are that the author = fool Five times
        1. Monos
          Monos 4 December 2017 23: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: opus
          there was simply no other target

          That explains. Perhaps they really save. As for the “window,” let me doubt it: I’m not at all sure that there are any “windows” there at all. Usually, during firing in such areas, the sky is "closed" for a while. If you had this in mind, then it is possible that you “closed” it for too short a time.
          1. opus
            opus 5 December 2017 00: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Monos
            it’s possible that they “closed” it for too short a time.

            So they would close for a day ...
            But who will give them?
            There as in an anthill.
            MEDITERRANEAN - THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION


            At the beginning, 2018 and Kodiak calmly shoot over the Pacific Ocean.

            There is no one there.
            A bunch of targets (American), thad there regularly trains


            Tu-95 bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons flew 160 km from the American island of Kodiak (450 km southwest of the US Air Force base Elmendorf)
            wink
    2. Primoos
      Primoos 4 December 2017 23: 51 New
      +2
      The picture is such a target flew in the wrong direction, and it was impossible to shoot it down. This is an awesome interception system! Jews, are you really sure that they will shoot at you from convenient angles for you and along the trajectories you need? Someone’s?
  2. K-50
    K-50 4 December 2017 19: 22 New
    10
    Shortly after the target was launched, it began to behave in a way that did not meet the predefined security settings.

    Here you go. A maneuvering warhead flew and immediately got scared. And puffed up, puffed up. sad laughing
    Russian missiles will all have such unpredictable ones. yes laughing
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 4 December 2017 19: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: K-50

      Here you go. A maneuvering warhead flew and immediately got scared. And puffed up, puffed up. sad laughing
      Russian missiles will all have such unpredictable ones. yes laughing

      Just not maneuvering. She did not enter a ballistic orbit, but went in a straight line.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 4 December 2017 19: 58 New
        +2
        Those. is this complex useless against KR? What miserable crafts ... Only against BR, which fly along a predictable trajectory, launched exactly in 12: 30 in sunny calm weather? And also something your compatriots drive on С-400 and Armor.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 4 December 2017 20: 02 New
          +8
          Quote: Muvka
          Those. is this complex useless against KR? What miserable crafts ... Only against BR, which fly along a predictable trajectory, launched exactly in 12: 30 in sunny calm weather? And also something your compatriots drive on С-400 and Armor.

          This is definitely not against cruise missiles. Not even close. "Hets" is intended for transatmospheric interception of BR.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 4 December 2017 20: 50 New
            +3
            Well, I was not in the know, I admit.
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 4 December 2017 21: 07 New
            +2
            This is definitely not against cruise missiles. Not even close. "Hets" is intended for transatmospheric interception of BR.

            Do you want to say, can Chetz intercept someone for the atmosphere? I prostrate myself and pray and how fr hi
            Such technology is not even available for the Yankees.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 4 December 2017 21: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: Tusv

              Do you want to say, can Chetz intercept someone for the atmosphere? I prostrate myself and pray and how fr hi
              Such technology is not even available for the Yankees.

              What are you saying?

              The missile is equipped with a deflected thrust vector rocket engine. The new missile is designed to intercept outside the atmosphere ballistic missiles with a range of 400 to 2000 km, similar to the Iranian Shahab-3 and Sajjil missiles, along with medium-range ballistic missiles from 3000 to 5500 km.

              1. Tusv
                Tusv 4 December 2017 22: 05 New
                0
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                what are you saying
                ?
                I still suspect, but what am I saying? wassat
            2. opus
              opus 4 December 2017 23: 07 New
              +6
              Quote: Tusv
              Do you want to say, can Chetz intercept someone for the atmosphere?

              still yes

              Two-stage missile: at the 9M or 2,5 km / s exit, 100 km intercept height
              Warhead, tk contact has a mass of only up to 80 kg, unlike Sparrow 2
              Radar with AFAR Super Green Pine EL / M-2080S, Green Pine Block-B in the L-band sees targets like BR at a distance of 800- 900 km

              Quote: Tusv
              Such technology is not even available for the Yankees.


              But at the next test launches, on interception over the Pacific Ocean, from the American test site in Kodiak in Alaska at the beginning of the 2018 year and look.
          3. Silkway0026
            Silkway0026 4 December 2017 21: 08 New
            +6
            hmm, okay. Lets, sorry, Hets turns out to be more abrupt than the Iron Kumpol, ugh - Domes - trying to bring down not only sewer pipes, but also water pipes. And this is a completely different level !!!
      2. K-50
        K-50 5 December 2017 09: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        She did not enter a ballistic orbit, but went in a straight line.

        Well, in a straight line it flies, easier than a lung, they would bring down. Why did you get up?
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 4 December 2017 19: 53 New
      +2
      Missile defense - at aerobatics for anti-aircraft missiles. They are trying to do it, but not everyone succeeds, an acceptable percentage of defeat!
      And on the way a new generation of missiles !!! also hypersonic !!! and here are hunters for them, in the sense of learning how to shoot down, it seems the applicants are soooooo all bye bye.
  3. san4es
    san4es 4 December 2017 19: 22 New
    +5
    to use the missile defense system based on Arrow-3, the target must always behave predictably

    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 4 December 2017 19: 29 New
      +2
      They pre-calculate everything)))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 December 2017 19: 56 New
        +3
        Yeah ??? And they also want to agree with the enemy in advance ???
        If your target missile is bully! How to be?
      2. Sergey53
        Sergey53 4 December 2017 20: 03 New
        +2
        Americans also calculate all the options. If you missed the target, they undermine the target and say they hit. Go check it out.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 December 2017 22: 52 New
          +3
          There is no need to deceive yourself, however, the customer is meticulous and will understand everything because they have the anti-missile kinetic method of destroying the target ... there, as it were, an explosion is not provided for at all.
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 5 December 2017 13: 22 New
          +1
          That’s why they don’t get anything with the North Koreans, well, don’t share the “evil Kim” with them either the launch time or the trajectory. tongue laughing
  4. Monos
    Monos 4 December 2017 19: 24 New
    11
    Shortly after the target was launched, it began to behave in a way that did not meet the predefined security settings.

    Began to yell "Allahu akbar" and show a cookie?
    1. shans2
      shans2 4 December 2017 19: 28 New
      +3
      she screamed that they had no Chelomeev and Korolevs, and would not.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 December 2017 20: 01 New
        +3
        It's simple - Not everything can be bought!
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  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 4 December 2017 19: 27 New
    +2
    And in battle, the enemy will shout, so that they correct the course of missiles, otherwise you can not shoot them down? fool
  7. ImPerts
    ImPerts 4 December 2017 19: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: K-50
    Shortly after the target was launched, it began to behave in a way that did not meet the predefined security settings.

    Here you go. A maneuvering warhead flew and immediately got scared. And puffed up, puffed up. sad laughing
    Russian missiles will all have such unpredictable ones. yes laughing

    Exactly)))
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 December 2017 20: 05 New
      +5
      Our missiles will also induce acoustic noise ... different, it all depends on the imagination and vocabulary that charged it !!! Judging by the latest data, our specific lexicon is quoted EVERYWHERE !!!
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 4 December 2017 20: 12 New
        +3
        Victor, welcome! hi I read your thoughts on this topic, immediately felt Pvoshnik. wink
        1. penal battalion
          penal battalion 4 December 2017 22: 54 New
          11
          What a confrontation, gentlemen !!!
          Jews are partly right - they did not want to take risks, they were safe ....
          As for the potential of Israeli air defense ... they have it and is not bad.
          Judge for yourselves: in the dashing 90s there are not a few KB officers from Respletinsky Almaz, TsNPO Vympel and others. KB moved to the Promised Land and there they were gladly received.
          And these guys took part in the creation of the Amur and A-135 and S-300, 400 ....
          Fundamental calculations, developments, test analyzes remained in the Union (Russia), but they nevertheless took something with them ....
          1. dubovitskiy.1947
            dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 23: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: Penalty
            What a confrontation, gentlemen !!!
            Jews are partly right - they did not want to take risks, they were safe ....
            As for the potential of Israeli air defense ... they have it and is not bad.
            Judge for yourselves: in the dashing 90s there are not a few KB officers from Respletinsky Almaz, TsNPO Vympel and others. KB moved to the Promised Land and there they were gladly received.
            And these guys took part in the creation of the Amur and A-135 and S-300, 400 ....
            Fundamental calculations, developments, test analyzes remained in the Union (Russia), but they nevertheless took something with them ....

            Come on you. It's not about the abnormality. The point is the silent modesty of the six-pointed, when it came to them. Let them wind up on the pace and behave more modestly when others have ... Talk about this.
            1. penal battalion
              penal battalion 4 December 2017 23: 19 New
              +7
              The most correct point of view among the Jews is their own point of view.
              The rest, they believe, are mistaken.
              This explains everything ......
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 4 December 2017 23: 05 New
          +4
          Hi Pasha .. and yes, the Plošnik is hereditary, and the Proshnik is already my personal one.
          The topic is very close, dear, and even this pee-pee-boltology from citizens with paises !!! cast a shadow on the wattle fence, well, I wrote to them. And then you started saying they say HRENTS from KUMPOL can not distinguish ??? And I can really.
          They said they would use garlic, otherwise we have such standards ... and other boltology.
          I have not yet decided who is learning from whom on the topic of tra-la-la for all but their chosen ones ... have the Yankees of the Jews in their students or already surpassed?
          1. penal battalion
            penal battalion 4 December 2017 23: 31 New
            +9
            So what am I talking to you about ....
            Own air defense systems in Israel began to appear in the early 90s ... with the "friendly relocation" of our colleagues "over the hill" .....
            It was then “Magic Wand” and “Homa”, it is also “Hets” and “Dome” .... and before that there were only the Air Force ....
            So gentlemen, Jews! Before you get into a pose, first find out where the roots of your air defense are and where this MOST IDEA of layered air defense came from your promised land ......
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 5 December 2017 00: 30 New
              +4
              Yes, I have no questions for the state and people of Israel. naughty here and there, of course, okay, we ourselves slammed our ears. They create. what they can and what is needed, it’s clear that for them the question of survival and their neighbors will not let them get bored.
              I wouldn’t have paid attention to the statement from their MOs, I need it, all the more all sorts of different breakdowns are eliminated during the test ... they will, in the end., Be normal.
              I don’t like when all sorts of different professors with paces try to explain why he is right, and everyone else is wrong ... you just have to be more modest.
  8. Egorovich
    Egorovich 4 December 2017 19: 31 New
    +3
    Iskander should be launched from Syria to the Jews, let them practice shooting down with their anti-ballistic missiles.
    1. Going
      Going 4 December 2017 20: 26 New
      +4
      Everything is so close there, it’s not our territory, and it’s better to train “out on the cats”.
    2. Lex.
      Lex. 4 December 2017 23: 04 New
      +2
      There we launched how many you have not shot down yet
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 December 2017 23: 44 New
        +3
        He considers himself a descendant of some wise men fool Missiles didn’t fly to visit us, so what for are we spending?
        Let the Syrians study, help them save the country, and butt the Jews for them ... swam, we know. We have claims against the state of Israel, by and large, no. The guys are certainly arrogant, etc. but they yap at us moderately and do not climb where they forbade us.
      2. dubovitskiy.1947
        dubovitskiy.1947 5 December 2017 01: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Lex.
        There we launched how many you have not shot down yet

        But we do not consider Israel an enemy. Understand. finally. We must be SO ......, your tricks with Syria, we do not stop. And nothing .... You, perhaps, are even worse than the heroes of our Unforgettable Zadornov.
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 4 December 2017 23: 08 New
      +5
      No, they’ll immediately write down the iskander.
      Let the kitties feel sorry, let the catapult launch the target, the predictable trajectory!
    4. Voker74
      Voker74 4 December 2017 23: 37 New
      0
      And put you on a fairing so that they don’t fall off the camera and the radio station ... you’ll broadcast.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 December 2017 00: 38 New
        +5
        A crazy idea ... however, what a scribble is, such an idea.
  9. shans2
    shans2 4 December 2017 19: 31 New
    +4
    Her, how will you shoot down Iranian missiles? they have already created new ones, and they maneuvering throughout the flight, and your Saudi’s soaked Saleh, oh wey ... in general, we are going to visit you)
  10. NN52
    NN52 4 December 2017 20: 01 New
    11
    Masterpiece....

    “We are trying to study what happened to the target, and why it did not behave as expected,” Fattal said, adding that the test report was normal and they could not intercept the target at high altitude as planned. ”
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 4 December 2017 20: 05 New
      +7
      Quote: NN52
      Masterpiece....

      “We are trying to study what happened to the target, and why it did not behave as expected,” Fattal said, adding that the test report was normal and they could not intercept the target at high altitude as planned. ”

      And what is wrong? The target was to go into space and attack like a ballistic missile, and the interception was supposed to happen in the transatmospheric space. Instead, she flew in a straight line to the territory of Israel.
      1. NN52
        NN52 4 December 2017 20: 17 New
        16
        Excuse me, of course .. Did this your MO report to you? Believe further on your newspapers, no offense ...
        Our guys in Astrakhan, when enlisted, have nothing expected, not even a direction.
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          1. NN52
            NN52 4 December 2017 20: 40 New
            11
            Do you have a body temperature and a head now?
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  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 4 December 2017 20: 21 New
    +7
    Tests are conducted over the Mediterranean Sea. And there is a fairly intense movement of aircraft and ships. Fencing off a safe site is not easy. Americans in this sense are easier: they carry out intercepts over the Pacific Ocean. There are vast "non-transport" areas.
    1. NN52
      NN52 4 December 2017 20: 37 New
      +9
      Aaron Zawi
      voyaka uh
      Well, why do a good face with a bad game?
      Well, the tests failed, it happens ... And we also happen ... Techies will finalize, eliminate ...
      Do you think ashuluk for 31 big? More inland?
    2. In100gram
      In100gram 4 December 2017 21: 13 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "Fencing" a safe site is not easy

      It just closes and that's it
    3. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 5 December 2017 09: 07 New
      +1
      voyaka, Aaron, the most important thing here is to figure out and understand why the target flew towards the next "Malaysian Boeing"?
  12. Mestny
    Mestny 4 December 2017 20: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: oleg-gr
    There were flaws. Ordinary situation.

    Gold words.
    It remains to learn how to pronounce them in a similar news about the work of Russian designers.
  13. Essex62
    Essex62 4 December 2017 20: 48 New
    +1
    They will figure it out and try again. I think they will get or not. What thriller
  14. pvv113
    pvv113 4 December 2017 20: 51 New
    +1
    Shortly after the target was launched, it began to behave in a way that did not meet the predefined security settings.

    So if you work out for a non-standard goal, wouldn’t this show the high quality of the missile defense and the skill of air defense specialists?
    1. Viktorfi
      Viktorfi 4 December 2017 20: 58 New
      +4
      The problem is that the target went wrong and the attempt to bring it down could violate the safety of aircraft in the area, otherwise God forbid the victims.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 4 December 2017 21: 05 New
        +1
        Clear. But isn’t it initially dangerous to launch in the area of ​​airways?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 December 2017 21: 28 New
          +6
          We have no other place. crying We launch rockets into space from the beach on the Mediterranean Sea in the center of the country belay . There is no place for polygons. 25 km country width ...
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 4 December 2017 21: 36 New
            +2
            I agree, a bit crowded
          2. dubovitskiy.1947
            dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 23: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            We have no other place. crying We launch rockets into space from the beach on the Mediterranean Sea in the center of the country belay . There is no place for polygons. 25 km country width ...

            So what the hell went there? Siberia was not enough for you?
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 5 December 2017 09: 06 New
              0
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              Quote: voyaka uh
              We have no other place. We have rockets launched into space from a beach on the Mediterranean Sea in the center of the country. There is no place for polygons. 25 km country width ...
              So what the hell went there? Siberia was not enough for you?


          3. opus
            opus 4 December 2017 23: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            We launch rockets into space from the beach on the Mediterranean Sea in the center of the country

            "AGAINST WOOL" and, towards the Atlantic. In my opinion the only ones who do not use a freebie from the rotation of the earth, unlike all the "normal" space powers


            The only Israeli astronaut died in his first flight (STS-107 mission), as a result of which he was not even awarded a high state award. This is just one of the oddities of the Israeli space program. The trajectories along which his rockets start are unusual, and the secrecy of the place of their launch is unusual. Finally, it seems unbelievable that the tiny country with a population of about 7 million people, surrounded by unfriendly neighbors, has created the rocket and space industry and is successfully implementing its rather specific space program.


            Israeli electronic optics produced by ElOp is so good that they are put on their satellites and other states (and we would not refuse)
            Ofeq-NEXT (Opsat-3000) good
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 5 December 2017 15: 35 New
              +1
              "In my opinion, the only ones who do not use a freebie from the rotation of the earth,
              unlike all "normal" space powers "///

              I heard such a bike: when the first rocket was launched into space,
              the journalist asked one of the physicists: "why is it against the rotation of the Earth?"
              He (in a pile, a believer) joked: "So it is written in the Torah (Old Testament)."
              The journalist did not understand the humor - he called. We searched for this place in the Scripture for a long time ...
              Actually, of course, the Jewish rocket launchers who left Boeing and moved to Israel helped. Therefore, the space program went so smoothly.
        2. Professor
          Professor 4 December 2017 21: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: pvv113
          Clear. But isn’t it initially dangerous to launch in the area of ​​airways?

          Initially, the tests were to pass in space. There are no airways.
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 4 December 2017 21: 49 New
            +5
            It is quite logical - since there is no air, then there can be no airways wink
          2. dubovitskiy.1947
            dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 23: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: pvv113
            Clear. But isn’t it initially dangerous to launch in the area of ​​airways?

            Initially, the tests were to pass in space. There are no airways.

            At least twice, these tracks must cross. (Not counting the falling debris). At first, the goal, and then the missile defense. Both that and another (the second - especially) are dangerous. Anyone can retarget. As it was with ukrozhopskoy over the Black Sea. Remember the Tu-154?
            1. Professor
              Professor 5 December 2017 07: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              At least twice, these tracks must cross. (Not counting the falling debris). At first, the goal, and then the missile defense. Both that and another (the second - especially) are dangerous. Anyone can retarget. As it was with ukrozhopskoy over the Black Sea. Remember the Tu-154?

              The target starts with the F-15 over the airways. Palmachim and everything around is closed for half an hour to launch the interceptor ...
            2. g1washntwn
              g1washntwn 5 December 2017 09: 09 New
              0
              In the case of the Tu-154 over the Black Sea, the missile itself was not redirected, there the calculation was manual.
  15. Livonetc
    Livonetc 4 December 2017 21: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Viktorfi
    The problem is that the goal went wrong and wrong.

    Murphy's Law.
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 23: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Livonetc
      Quote: Viktorfi
      The problem is that the goal went wrong and wrong.

      Murphy's Law.

      Vile last name. Because of this.
  16. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 4 December 2017 21: 23 New
    11
    Well, it’s just that such a cunning Jewish goal was caught ... Did they do the same in Israel?
    Well Duc overdone, you see, with a national flavor.
    So it turned out to be a very cunning target.
    Spun, in general, as she could and, nevertheless, twisted!
    Probably, along the way, she called her creators vile Arabs and, finally accusing them of anti-Semitism, disappeared into the blue of heaven .... laughing
    Sometimes ...
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 4 December 2017 21: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      Well, it’s just that such a cunning Jewish goal was caught ... Did they do the same in Israel?
      Well Duc overdone, you see, with a national flavor.
      So it turned out to be a very cunning target.
      Spun, in general, as she could and, nevertheless, twisted!
      Probably, along the way, she called her creators vile Arabs and, finally accusing them of anti-Semitism, disappeared into the blue of heaven .... laughing
      Sometimes ...

      That's right. This is the Ankor family of target missiles.

      And do not worry, “Sparrow” did not fly away, he heroically self-destructed.
      1. dubovitskiy.1947
        dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 23: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: CAT BAYUN
        Well, it’s just that such a cunning Jewish goal was caught ... Did they do the same in Israel?
        Well Duc overdone, you see, with a national flavor.
        So it turned out to be a very cunning target.
        Spun, in general, as she could and, nevertheless, twisted!
        Probably, along the way, she called her creators vile Arabs and, finally accusing them of anti-Semitism, disappeared into the blue of heaven .... laughing
        Sometimes ...

        That's right. This is the Ankor family of target missiles.

        And do not worry, “Sparrow” did not fly away, he heroically self-destructed.

        Not true. I was glad that I remained alive and sat down behind a tubercle. You joke.
        1. CAT BAIYUN
          CAT BAIYUN 5 December 2017 11: 11 New
          +6
          Here's how to do nothing! You can expect everything from these missiles ....
      2. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 5 December 2017 11: 10 New
        +6
        That's right. This is the Ankor family of target missiles.

        Aron, why are you poisoning a killer here ?!
        In the photo some goy rockets. Normal Israeli rockets do not fly without a bale. And the one that was washed away should be with pace in general! laughing
  17. Berkut24
    Berkut24 4 December 2017 21: 23 New
    +6
    Shortly after the target was launched, it began to behave in a way that did not meet the predefined security settings.

    She dared to maneuver! This is dishonest for an advanced air defense system.
  18. japs
    japs 4 December 2017 21: 52 New
    +6
    "..This gave experts a reason to ask: for the use of the missile defense system based on Arrow-3, the target should always behave predictably for the Israeli troops ?."

    How else? Only in a straight line and without sharp jerks to the side. The goal course should be known yesterday.
    This is the latest missile defense system. And there are no more analogues in the world.
  19. Shahno
    Shahno 4 December 2017 21: 58 New
    +1
    Generally experienced the BR, if she maneuvered not a question. But in the international air traffic sector. Or you offer to return 100 flights back. But destroy the rocket.
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 23: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Shahno
      Generally experienced the BR, if she maneuvered not a question. But in the international air traffic sector. Or you offer to return 100 flights back. But destroy the rocket.

      And wouldn’t it be to the brains of those who are desperate to test close? Not enough space? Not enough kingdom - nowhere to turn around?
  20. q75agent
    q75agent 4 December 2017 22: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: dsvcd
    and you could? after all, you yourself admitted that Israel launched Jericho missiles yesterday and some of them were about two, one was shot down by a Russian C400 and the other hit the target, that is, the effectiveness of your complex is 50 percent because the complex is serviced by a vaunted Russian military so don’t bend your fingers and this is most likely the goal was not the Iranian barracks, but a test of your s400’s ability or the ability of Israeli missiles to circumvent them and for that they received a rating of 400 +++++++ the next time Jericho would fly to your base if you were too greyhound and grin your teeth

    that's what hard drugs do to people, get treated if it's not too late laughing
    1. Anchonsha
      Anchonsha 5 December 2017 00: 19 New
      +2
      , ....... an Israeli missile was shot down by the Pantsir air defense missile system, and not by the C400.
  21. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 4 December 2017 22: 53 New
    0
    "grenades of the wrong system" (c)?
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 5 December 2017 09: 11 New
      0
      Wrong bees)))))
  22. Kent0001
    Kent0001 4 December 2017 22: 54 New
    0
    Which was required to prove. Any missile defense works on ballistic non-maneuvering targets with motion trajectories calculated according to a parabolic function. There are no miracles. To shoot down a maneuvering target from a missile defense is simply stupidly there is not enough fuel.
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 22: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Kent0001
      Which was required to prove. Any missile defense works on ballistic non-maneuvering targets with motion trajectories calculated according to a parabolic function. There are no miracles. To shoot down a maneuvering target from a missile defense is simply stupidly there is not enough fuel.

      Rather speed. To do this, you need to have one and a half to two times more nimble anti-ballast. No less.
      1. opus
        opus 5 December 2017 00: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        To do this, you need to have one and a half to two times more nimble anti-ballast. No less.

        what nonsense
        -SM-3 Block IBaccelerates to 9 600 km / h and strikes with a kinetic blow of a target at an altitude of up to 500 km and a distance of up to 700 km moving with the 1 spacecraft (8 000 m / s = 28 800 km / h)
        -SM-3 Block IA accelerates to the same 9 600 km / h but could not hit targets with a speed of more than 6500m / s

        For missile defense, the approach speed and the azimuthal and radial speeds of the targets (relative to the launcher) are important.


        Quote: Kent0001
        to hit a maneuvering target with a missile defense is simply stupid enough fuel is not enough.

        Tipo maneuvering BB (UBB) fuel in bulk?
        for ~ 100 maneuvers - yaw from side to side, each lasting ~ 1 sec. UBB will cost ~ 300 kg of fuel.
        Specific impulse of rocket fuel (hydrazine with nitrogen tetroxide) approx. 3 000 m / s, for 1 second of thrust in 10 000 N 3.33 kg of fuel is consumed.
        1. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 5 December 2017 01: 15 New
          0
          Quote: opus
          Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
          To do this, you need to have one and a half to two times more nimble anti-ballast. No less.

          what nonsense
          -SM-3 Block IBaccelerates to 9 600 km / h and strikes with a kinetic blow of a target at an altitude of up to 500 km and a distance of up to 700 km moving with the 1 spacecraft (8 000 m / s = 28 800 km / h)
          -SM-3 Block IA accelerates to the same 9 600 km / h but could not hit targets with a speed of more than 6500m / s

          For missile defense, the approach speed and the azimuthal and radial speeds of the targets (relative to the launcher) are important.


          Quote: Kent0001
          to hit a maneuvering target with a missile defense is simply stupid enough fuel is not enough.

          Tipo maneuvering BB (UBB) fuel in bulk?
          for ~ 100 maneuvers - yaw from side to side, each lasting ~ 1 sec. UBB will cost ~ 300 kg of fuel.
          Specific impulse of rocket fuel (hydrazine with nitrogen tetroxide) approx. 3 000 m / s, for 1 second of thrust in 10 000 N 3.33 kg of fuel is consumed.

          Like, to catch up, it is not necessary, everything, at the start, on command and at the same time. All missile defense systems are located just on the tracks of the attackers. And they beat only on the forehead. Hide your arithmetic. Learn from the department of boobies, this is your job. But, besides science (no doubt you understand it), there is also a green tree of life.
          1. opus
            opus 5 December 2017 01: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            Type, catch up, do not need

            need not

            The scheme for intercepting targets by the Seifgard system: 1 - MIRV-type warheads; 2 - Sprint anti-missile interception; 3 - the head of a ballistic missile; 4 - false goals; 5 - interception by the Spartan anti-missile; 6 - a ballistic missile going to a defended object; 7 - beam radar MCP (10); 8 - beam radar PAIR (9); 11 - Spartan anti-rocket; 12 - Sprint anti-rocket; 13 - ballistic missile "Minuteman".

            or closer to the body ""

            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            And they beat only on the forehead.


            can sideways (and up)
            here ... truth in english

            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            green tree of life.

            1. dubovitskiy.1947
              dubovitskiy.1947 5 December 2017 16: 39 New
              0
              Quote: opus
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              Type, catch up, do not need

              need not

              The scheme for intercepting targets by the Seifgard system: 1 - MIRV-type warheads; 2 - Sprint anti-missile interception; 3 - the head of a ballistic missile; 4 - false goals; 5 - interception by the Spartan anti-missile; 6 - a ballistic missile going to a defended object; 7 - beam radar MCP (10); 8 - beam radar PAIR (9); 11 - Spartan anti-rocket; 12 - Sprint anti-rocket; 13 - ballistic missile "Minuteman".

              or closer to the body ""

              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              And they beat only on the forehead.


              can sideways (and up)
              here ... truth in english

              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              green tree of life.


              Well yes. The range of missile defense around Moscow and missile defense over Israel. Pressed to the coast and not having any means on the surface of the sea. In principle, it is possible to detect, but interception is only in the forehead (from below, from above, from the side, but on the opposite courses. The probability of defeat on the oncoming and on the way. How does your science write there? Especially if you beat with newfangled kinetic crowbar? Supersound by supersonic .
              1. opus
                opus 6 December 2017 03: 23 New
                0
                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                Pressed to the coast and not having any means on the surface of the sea.

                what is it about?
                I don’t remember, of course

                somewhere those seas .. xs
                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                Especially if you beat newfangled kinetic crowbar? Supersound over supersonic.

                what a "supersonic" at an altitude of 100km (LineK).
                supersonic is an absurd concept, for heights above 70 km.
                Shl. I will reveal a terrible secret
                Story Number: NNS080220-19 Release Date: 2 / 20 / 2008 11: 23: 00 PM
                USS Lake Erie (CG-70) and its modified RIM-161B SM-3 block IA were just lucky to end up in the USA-193 tank with hydrazine and AT residues (which detonated from the conversion of Ek into heat).
                otherwise there would be a puncture and all.
                Chichas they are worried:
                range and height of interception, depend on the speed of the interceptor ... trouble.
                Even for GBI, the 10 approach speed is km / s. otherwise, just a painless puncture
                and you comrade "dubovitskiy" about some
                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                Supersound over supersonic.

                broadcasting
  23. dubovitskiy.1947
    dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 22: 57 New
    0
    The target flew not perpendicularly. And did not invest in the brains of the missile defense system.
  24. mvg
    mvg 4 December 2017 23: 17 New
    +9
    I read the comments. Really ashamed of compatriots .... I am glad that there are adequate too ..
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 5 December 2017 01: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: mvg
      I read the comments. Really ashamed of compatriots .... I am glad that there are adequate too ..

      Who are you? With you? Is it nice to talk to a smart person?
  25. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 5 December 2017 00: 13 New
    0
    Well, well, after all, it is precisely such an unusual target in behavior that should be welcomed during testing, and not one that is launched under the parameters of the need for a missile defense. Probably the Jews simply did not understand what they want
  26. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 5 December 2017 02: 40 New
    0
    Everything is as usual. ))) In the sense of a new technique. ))) League would not have seen ours.
  27. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 5 December 2017 02: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    That's right. This is the Ankor family of target missiles.

    ))) Well, we're adult uncles
  28. kos2910
    kos2910 5 December 2017 06: 01 New
    0
    Well, damn it, they made fun. This is a gift when you can test in unpredictable conditions, and they were scared. So bullshit, not missile defense.
  29. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 5 December 2017 06: 58 New
    0
    Could not ... and ... and ...
  30. Old26
    Old26 5 December 2017 10: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Monos
    The Jews are cunning. smile How can this interfere with missile defense tests? Launched another target and shoot! But others can analyze the behavior of the target.

    Nothing can interfere. But when the “target” behaves unpredictably, then before launching the second target and spending a multi-million dollar missile defense, normal people first try to get to the bottom of the reasons why the first target behaved so and whether the second behaves the same. And then the cancellation of the launch was elevated to a rank for some reason. Or do you think that we would have otherwise?
  31. omit
    omit 5 December 2017 11: 35 New
    0
    Israelis and other Jews! Why are you so tense? Well, our friends want us to be all bad! And figs you prove something to them. Calm down. Everything will be as we need.
    1. NN52
      NN52 5 December 2017 20: 13 New
      +8
      Have you had a drink already at lunchtime?
      Drink further, and do not strain ...
    2. opus
      opus 6 December 2017 03: 31 New
      0
      Quote: omit
      Well, our friends want us to be all bad!

      are you OK.

      Israel spends on education 8% of its budget


      well done.

      Science expenditure as a percentage of GDP at 2013 g


      In 1948, Israel lived in Israel 806 000 people, and by 2013 year this number has increased 10 times. A significant part of the population growth is attributable to immigrants from other countries, as well as to a high birth rate. Despite these characteristics characteristic of a less developed country, Israel has a low infant rate, up to 5 years, and a maternal mortality rate and a high life expectancy at birth.


      ==========================
      well not without sponsors essno

      Well so to sponsors and everything will return with "trinity"
  32. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 5 December 2017 20: 29 New
    0
    Lie.
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Monos
    The Jews are cunning. smile How can this interfere with missile defense tests? Launched another target and shoot! But others can analyze the behavior of the target.

    Even as you can.

    Israel’s Ministry of Defense has canceled the Arrow 3 missile defense system’s planned testing today due to a security breach regarding the intercepted model. "The test was canceled at an early stage after the launched target turned out to be inconsistent with the safety protocols established in advance," the ministry said in a statement.
    The defense department said that the target under the working name "Black Sparrow", which was supposed to simulate a ballistic missile, did not gain the appropriate height, and therefore the interception could lead to risk for the movement of aircraft. In this regard, the chief engineer wrote “no test” in the test results, which differs from the unsuccessful result. The Department of Defense has launched an investigation into the reasons why the Black Sparrow missile did not function properly.

    Preparation for the missile test - telemetry (electronic reconnaissance aircraft) IAI around Crete-Malta and 2 Bizs (call sign "arrow") at high altitudes over Israel. All civilian flights were redirected north of the TLV. (to Haifa) Moshe Fattal, head of the Khoma administration at the Ministry of Defense, said the test was suspended early because the target did not meet safety standards. “We are trying to study what happened to the target and why it did not behave as expected,” Fattal said, adding that the test report was normal and they could not intercept the target at high altitude as planned. Interception at a lower altitude could be a danger to nearby aircraft.



    Question.
    What is the difference between a Jew and a non-Jew?
    ___________
    Or that a Jew is not allowed to another Jew, and that a Jew is allowed to a non-Jew? (Answer: "Lie").
    FALSE is the foundation of everything.