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So for what reason did the satellites drop?

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RIA News published a material in which, with reference to the source, it reports the most likely causes of the crash of the Fregat upper stage, which was supposed to put into orbit about two dozen different satellites. The material of the information agency states that the cause of the crash is the inconsistency of the actions of the enterprises that laid the flight missions in the control systems of the Soyuz 2.1b launch vehicle and the Fregat upper stage.


From the statement of the source:
... this led to incorrect operation of the control system due to the inaccurate azimuth of the launch axis, destructive turn of the Frigate, braking and explosion.


Recall that the launch of the launch vehicle itself went smoothly, but the satellites did not manage to reach the calculated orbits. Much of the payload is reported to have fallen in the North Atlantic.

Today, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded to identify and punish those responsible for the failure of the program to bring satellites into orbit.

So for what reason did the satellites drop?


Previously, the findings of the commissions investigating other unsuccessful launches boiled down to about one thing: either the welder or the stockman was declared guilty, arguing that it was their mistakes that led to crashes. For some reason, the responsibility of officials was not discussed. The welder with the storekeeper was fired, but for some reason it did not affect the frequency of emergency situations ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 4 December 2017 17: 20 New
    69
    The reason is one socio-political system in the state ... And nothing else. From this everything comes.
    1. Ankipelgygyrgyn
      Ankipelgygyrgyn 4 December 2017 17: 27 New
      26
      At Roscosmos you need to send Lavrenty Pavlovich.
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 4 December 2017 17: 31 New
        +5
        The reason, like the first accident, was caused by programmers and managers, and this is ordinary negligence, with all the ensuing mess.
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 4 December 2017 17: 36 New
          30
          Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded to identify and punish the perpetrators

          1. aries2200
            aries2200 4 December 2017 18: 02 New
            +8
            Well, harya .... sick as much.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 4 December 2017 19: 02 New
              +8
              the cause of the crash is the inconsistency of the actions of enterprises that laid flight tasks in the control systems of the Soyuz 2.1b LV and the Frigate upper stage
              And what’s the main designer for there ?! What is it - have reduced the position of "Korolev"? Instead, some financial top manager "steers" and simply considers profit with zeros? The complete idiocy! Or wrecking?
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 5 December 2017 06: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana
                Or wrecking?

                Yes, the American satellites were drowned by a specialist ...
          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 4 December 2017 19: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
            Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded to identify and punish the perpetrators


            Let DAM punish himself first!
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 4 December 2017 22: 24 New
              +5
              Once upon a time, Aborigines were delighted with toys, from glass beads in particular. Time runs. Now iPhones. But psychology does not change, apparently. Also delighted with toys. And after all, not an aborigine, like.
              I can not imagine Alexei Nikolayevich Kosygin in this photo.
          3. ASDik37
            ASDik37 4 December 2017 19: 21 New
            17
            First of all, it is necessary to punish Medvedev himself. We continue to reap the benefits of capitalism. Now the entire domestic policy of the "elites" of our state is aimed at creating a cattle society of consumers. There are less and less high-class specialists - in order to become such, now you need to be not only a genius and have a calling, but also have a lot of money. Moreover, the work of these specialists in our country is valued very cheaply. As a result, all the "brains" continue to either "leak" abroad, or go into business, according to the precepts of Anatolich ...
          4. Sergey53
            Sergey53 4 December 2017 19: 39 New
            +3
            That's his whole state interest and participation in government. In the hands of a staff toy, what else is needed?
        2. Zibelew
          Zibelew 4 December 2017 17: 37 New
          21
          Quote: maxim947
          The reason, like the first accident, was programmers

        3. user
          user 4 December 2017 19: 09 New
          11
          The reason, like the first accident, was caused by programmers and managers, and this is ordinary negligence, with all the ensuing mess.


          It only says that you have never been involved in production. To occupy the positions corresponding to that occupied by Rogozin or the chief designer, the designer needs to put half his life in production, naturally organizing this production itself. And do not come from the position of the representative of the Russian Federation in the EU or NATO. In the USSR, people of this level began laboring activities
          1. osoboye_mneniye
            osoboye_mneniye 4 December 2017 20: 24 New
            12
            Quote: user
            The reason, like the first accident, was caused by programmers and managers, and this is ordinary negligence, with all the ensuing mess.


            It only says that you have never been involved in production. To occupy the positions corresponding to that occupied by Rogozin or the chief designer, the designer needs to put half his life in production, naturally organizing this production itself. And do not come from the position of the representative of the Russian Federation in the EU or NATO. In the USSR, people of this level began laboring activities

            Right now, it’s like a post-industrial society in which everything can be bought for nano-cyber-bitcoins. And this very “everything” is produced somewhere there, by someone there. Why do nano-managers scrub pens in production? You can create a completely different kind of reality.
            For example, in the field of my activity, one manufacturer is completely lobbied in the field of state procurement, whose production of equipment is obtained so-so. And you think that effective nights do not sleep and think how to improve the product? Ha! Nothing like this! They simply hired lawyers who in every possible way show state customers through a higher department that they will not be able to buy anything other than what they produce without legal consequences. In other words, they threaten to fire everyone. The funny thing is that there can’t be any real legal consequences, but directors of state customers are afraid of losing their seats, because if they don’t take lottery tickets, they will turn off the gas.
            And here you are talking about leaders from the plow. Now managers and lawyers hold the suit ..
            Because and now ... fall ((
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 5 December 2017 01: 37 New
              +5
              Oh, there were once two articles for wrecking and for speculation ..... crying
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 5 December 2017 09: 25 New
                +5
                Quote: sharp-lad
                Oh, there were once two articles for wrecking and for speculation ..... crying
                And now it’s called the “free market” with monetarism or the “monetarist market economy."
          2. maxim947
            maxim947 4 December 2017 21: 00 New
            +4
            It only says that you have never been involved in production.

            Why is this vyser? If there is anything to object to the case, then state it more specifically. Once again, Frigate is the second accident and for the same reason - errors in the program. And this is called negligence. And I’m very much connected with production, and it’s specifically to this industry.
            1. dubovitskiy.1947
              dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 21: 39 New
              +4
              Quote: maxim947
              It only says that you have never been involved in production.

              Why is this vyser? If there is anything to object to the case, then state it more specifically. Once again, Frigate is the second accident and for the same reason - errors in the program. And this is called negligence. And I’m very much connected with production, and it’s specifically to this industry.

              We must take up more tightly. Once you get out of there and unwind properly. Programmers or whatever.
              1. maxim947
                maxim947 4 December 2017 22: 01 New
                +1
                Where are you from ?, and why is this desire to "shake"?
                1. dubovitskiy.1947
                  dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 22: 09 New
                  +4
                  Quote: maxim947
                  Where are you from ?, and why is this desire to "shake"?

                  Yes, you famously found the culprit. Unhealthy somehow.
                  But actually I'm from the designers. With a good experience. From the year 1969.
                  1. maxim947
                    maxim947 4 December 2017 22: 27 New
                    +1
                    I'm actually from the designers

                    My respect, always with respect and concern to KB. As for the culprits, I was not looking for anyone, this is one of the official versions of Roscosmos. And if we take into account the fact that RB Frigate is one of the most reliable (only 2 accidents) and the first accident occurred precisely for the indicated reason, then somehow it is believed.
                    1. dubovitskiy.1947
                      dubovitskiy.1947 5 December 2017 15: 58 New
                      +1
                      Quote: maxim947
                      I'm actually from the designers

                      My respect, always with respect and concern to KB. As for the culprits, I was not looking for anyone, this is one of the official versions of Roscosmos. And if we take into account the fact that RB Frigate is one of the most reliable (only 2 accidents) and the first accident occurred precisely for the indicated reason, then somehow it is believed.

                      He was professionally in situations where a LOT of involved, potentially guilty, repelled the reasons from his own ass. Takenny instances connected, takennaya science that when reading pieces of paper with assumptions, I wanted to stand at attention and sing hymns.
                      Let's wait and see. Maybe we will believe the conclusions. But commissions of this kind should be led by people from the FSB. Departmental commissions are designed to wipe and lower the brakes.
            2. user
              user 6 December 2017 21: 24 New
              +1
              And I’m very much connected with production, and it’s specifically to this industry.


              You will be surprised, but I also have a relation to this because therefore, if I can say harshly, I reacted. But IT specialists are a highly specialized caste of engineers who have practically no influence on the project as a whole. Although it is practically impossible to replace them in their issues, they have nothing to do with the general organization of production and management.
              1. maxim947
                maxim947 6 December 2017 22: 25 New
                0
                I agree, highly specialized specialists, and you will understand that checking the work of programmers (managers) is very difficult, and not always possible, due to the lack of full-fledged simulators. And no one is safe from errors, the wrong code was entered, or the program and all ... sailed. And believe me, this happens sometimes.
                Now it’s fashionable to blame all problems at once on the leadership and raise the hi, and there are reasons for this too, but others also sometimes make mistakes.
                1. user
                  user 7 December 2017 16: 25 New
                  +1
                  Now it’s fashionable to blame all problems at once on the leadership and raise the hi, and there are reasons for this too, but others also sometimes make mistakes.


                  And in my dense nature I thought that the main task of any leadership is just the selection and placement of personnel, and I see no reason that prevents me from fulfilling my direct duties.
                  1. maxim947
                    maxim947 7 December 2017 17: 23 New
                    0
                    Nothing is perfect in the world, nor are perfect frames who are never mistaken. All in question in the percentage of reliability.
        4. Normal ok
          Normal ok 4 December 2017 22: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: maxim947
          The reason, like the first accident, was caused by programmers and managers, and this is ordinary negligence, with all the ensuing mess.

          What does the programmers have to do with it? And who are these programmers-managers? The problem is in the system, where at each stage there are a lot of jambs and there is no serious acceptance along the way.
      2. Kleber
        Kleber 4 December 2017 17: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn
        At Roscosmos you need to send Lavrenty Pavlovich.


        I’m not sure that he will agree.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 4 December 2017 18: 07 New
          13
          Lavrenty Pavlovich worked in many important places. And everywhere he was successful. Do you think these Augean stables are above his dignity? In vain. It is clear that he has been dead for a long time .. But for some reason I’m sure that a successor can be found. It’s a pity that I’m contraindicated.
          Quote: Kleber
          Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn
          At Roscosmos you need to send Lavrenty Pavlovich.


          I’m not sure that he will agree.

          Quote: Kleber
          Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn
          At Roscosmos you need to send Lavrenty Pavlovich.


          I’m not sure that he will agree.
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 4 December 2017 19: 06 New
            +5
            Those. the fact that almost all the leading designers spent their time is normal, is it that all the entrails in the zone have queened the Queen, is this such an awesome management? Yes, if it weren’t for the war they would have rotted completely, and so the inventors were needed. What do we have? only extremes can be?
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 4 December 2017 21: 25 New
              +3
              And who is there on the Queen informed? Do not remember?
            2. Alf
              Alf 4 December 2017 21: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: maxim947
              Those. the fact that almost all the leading designers have served

              And you would ask, why did they sit? And what was Korolev personally sitting for?
              1. maxim947
                maxim947 4 December 2017 21: 59 New
                +1
                Interested in. Some argue that Glushko and Co. denounce it, while others deny it. Also, according to other sources, the denunciation was simply from some employee of the research institute because of envy. I mean, the people lived in fear, and if they put pressure, they would inform anyone, and they informed me.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 4 December 2017 22: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: maxim947
                  the people lived in fear, and if they put pressure, they would report it to anyone, and they reported it.

                  And now, of course, much safer ..
                  1. maxim947
                    maxim947 4 December 2017 22: 22 New
                    +4
                    These are different extremes and there is nothing good in them, do not distort.
                2. slipped
                  slipped 5 December 2017 01: 21 New
                  +1
                  The denunciation was from Kostikov to Kleimenov, the locomotive suffered Langemak, Nadezhin and Korolev, and the first two were shot.
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 4 December 2017 19: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: 210ox
            But for some reason I’m sure that a successor can be found

            A successor can and can be found, but there must be political will and authority, coupled with relevant legislation. In the 30s-40s, it was possible. In the current liberal swamp, no. It's a pity.
      3. Going
        Going 4 December 2017 17: 33 New
        15
        Quote: 210ox
        The reason is one socio-political system in the state ... And nothing else. From this everything comes.


        All sorts of isms are the background, but the personnel and personnel policy are simply below the plinth, and so far the leaders will be comfortable, and not professionals — the missiles will continue to fall.
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 4 December 2017 17: 40 New
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          Quote: Going
          while the leaders will be comfortable, and

          1. x.andvlad
            x.andvlad 4 December 2017 17: 54 New
            14
            The welder and the storekeeper were fired, but at the frequency of emergency situations, this for some reason did not affect ...
            But because all around nepotism and acquaintances that permeated through both production and power structures. And these are “white” and “untouchable” people, since they have not put their whole life on their “glorious career”, and they will not give up on it for anything. Not all children and grandchildren are arranged yet ..., and many other important matters ... And "conscience" is not a legal concept.
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 5 December 2017 01: 41 New
            +1
            It’s better not to show, and not describe!
          3. verner1967
            verner1967 5 December 2017 07: 30 New
            0
            [/ Quote]

            Upstairs, as I understand it, an employee of the regional committee or city committee of the CPSU? And below, it’s exactly my employer, a bloodsucker, who has opened three commercial productions and is sucking blood from hard workers. He comes earlier than everyone, later he leaves all, he has acquired diabetes mellitus. True, the family has two jeeps and a daughter studying in the UK, and managers with designers do not go to work by public transport)))
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov 4 December 2017 17: 42 New
          +7
          Quote: Going
          All sorts of isms are the background, but the personnel and personnel policy are simply below the plinth, and so far the leaders will be comfortable, and not professionals — the missiles will continue to fall.

          Where to get these professionals, then at least someone responsible should be found, professionals and managers from scratch need to be educated. Since Chubais and the company have killed the latter.
          1. Going
            Going 4 December 2017 17: 53 New
            10
            And I was talking about personnel policy. or rather its absence, and if we don’t start today. tomorrow it will be even worse, but there are professionals, they’re just not comfortable, they will start poking their careless superiors with their noses.
      4. vovanpain
        vovanpain 4 December 2017 17: 48 New
        20
        Today, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded to identify and punish the perpetrators

        Well you look belay woke up, only who will punish and who will seek. request On December 3, 1991, labeled Judah signed Law 124-N on the abolition of the KGB. Ugu will be found and fired .... Uncle Vasya the switchman.
    2. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 17: 33 New
      +4
      Production culture In Germany, a peasant’s wife is not a German for life, why are you a Russian? Why did a nail stick out of the floor? Russian slammed a slipper and you need to take a hammer ... There’s no culture and everything falls and by the way the fish rots from under the stick .. In the USSR with military representatives and everything flew .. And I know that I’m right ..... hiYes, and even the Fish rots from the head. Mastery and the average composition, too ...
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 4 December 2017 19: 14 New
        0
        about fish, when buying, they sniff not only the gills but also ... pu
      2. asiat_61
        asiat_61 5 December 2017 05: 12 New
        0
        hiYes and more Fish rots from the head This is an excuse for the tail.
    3. Chichikov
      Chichikov 4 December 2017 17: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      The only reason is the socio-political system in the state ...

      There you go! Do you know the history of space exploration well?
      But there is one reason - disorder and irresponsibility!
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 4 December 2017 17: 49 New
      12
      Quote: 210ox
      The reason is one socio-political system in the state ... And nothing else. From this everything comes.

      And I don’t think so ... the main reason, and I am convinced of this, is DIVERSION. And I spoke about this even when the first two Unions fell one by one.
      And having learned about this news, he immediately expected all that stink that the liberals would raise about the sperm-polymers. I do not mean you.
      1. bk316
        bk316 4 December 2017 17: 59 New
        +3
        this is DIVERSION

        Are you serious?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 04 New
          +6
          Quote: bk316
          Are you serious?

          Absolutely.
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 4 December 2017 20: 06 New
        +2
        this is DIVERSION.

        A few years ago there was a media report that the FSB arrested several people in Roskosmos on charges of sabotage. Since then silence.
        So you are probably not far from the truth.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 4 December 2017 20: 11 New
          +5
          Quote: glory1974
          A few years ago there was a media report that the FSB arrested several people in Roskosmos on charges of sabotage. Since then silence.
          So you are probably not far from the truth.

          If it were only once, then God be with him ... but in the face of the regular fall of our missiles, disruption of launches, etc. ... to push this to sloppiness is no longer possible. In the space sphere, dolbo ... do not hold. And negligence here also does not explain anything. And for the people, of course, they will say that they screwed it in the wrong place, it was not flooded enough, the father did not light up before the start, but you never know ...
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 4 December 2017 18: 00 New
      +4
      even you somehow wrapped it up. Story for idiots is not responsible. The cause of the accident is either a deversion or a dolbo .... it’s some of the specific performers. The capitalist system of our long-suffering state does not affect this. Stop talking with slogans to raise your own rating.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 13 New
        +5
        Quote: Kent0001
        llibo dolbo .... zm someone from specific performers.

        Well, yes ... only when the fall of the rockets has already become the norm, you can’t blame this one ... you won’t be able to do it anyway. Otherwise, it will turn out that people in the East and Baikonur, and indeed in the space industry, are recruited by the advertisement.
      2. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 5 December 2017 14: 55 New
        +1
        "Story is not responsible for idiots"
        But the system makes it possible to attach all the relatives, who, in which case, will come out of the water dry, and they will tell the cleaner, Uncle Vanya the welder and then on the list.
        I worked at a military factory and every day we handed over products to the military representative, he accepted only the ideal. Even the OTK was not accepted as military representative! He will see that the installer tightens the m3 screw with a screwdriver for the m4 screw, that's it, the conveyor is up! And until the foreman and the shop manager find this installer and punish him, the military representative will not leave the switch! At least we had one, by the name of Gridnev ...
    6. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 4 December 2017 18: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      The reason is one socio-political system in the state ... And nothing else. From this everything comes.

      is it applicable to all countries or current to Russia ?? wassat wassat wassat
    7. siberalt
      siberalt 4 December 2017 18: 50 New
      10
      What is the chairman of the government, and satellites are launched. The main culprit appoints the average to punish the younger. laughing
    8. Esoteric
      Esoteric 4 December 2017 19: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      The only reason is the socio-political system in the state ...

      Because, as our oligarchs perceive the new sanctions, this reason is the most important and most significant ... yes
    9. verner1967
      verner1967 4 December 2017 19: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      The reason is one-socio-political system in the state

      Missiles fell in the USSR with no less frequency and no one accused the socio-political system
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 4 December 2017 19: 49 New
        +8
        Quote: verner1967
        Missiles fell in the USSR with no less frequency and no one accused the socio-political system

        Seriously? In directly with such constancy and with a bunch of imported satellites? And after the fall of rockets in the USSR, bureaucrats supervising this issue continued to sit in their chairs? If the missiles fell, it was not because of sabotage and not because of the wrong bolt of some small worker.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 4 December 2017 20: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          it’s not because of sabotage and not because of the wrong bolt of some small worker.

          Yes?
          The main oxygen valve, which completely passed the control and sampling tests, was, according to the regulations, disassembled and it turned out that one part was missing. The test representative then rejected. With this part, the valve might not have passed the test. The part was delivered, the tests were repeated, and indeed they received an unpleasant remark.
          do you think the item wasn’t delivered by accident or on purpose, sabotage it or
          Quote: NEXUS
          the wrong bolt of some small worker
          Yes, we are talking about preparing a missile launch in 1960.
          Quote: NEXUS
          In directly with such constancy and with a bunch of imported satellites?

          Now about constancy, the launch of the same rocket in a week:
          The flight in all respects proceeded normally. Three seconds before the estimated time to turn off the engine, the pressure behind the pumps fell by 50%, the pressure in the chamber gradually decreased, the contact of the pressure sensor tripped and the engine turned off. The shortage of final speed for this reason was 130 meters per second. Where it will fall now is not yet clear.
          Further investigation revealed that not enough kerosene! The third stage tank was underfilled. I remembered Rudnev’s rebuke - “We shoot cities.” Here is another city as it never happened. This is the sloppiness of the tankers and controllers of the Barmin service!

          After three days:
          The rocket stunned the roar of all the engines of the main stage. Three hundred meters of rapprochement with her greatly affected.
          But what is it? I see or guess that the side block closest to me does not go away with the whole package, but burps the flame, bursting down. The remaining blocks reluctantly go up and, it seems, right above me, crumble. I’m not sure where it’s flying, but I feel that one of the units with a roaring engine will cover me in the next few seconds. To run! Just run! To IPu - there are saving trenches! Maybe in time. In Komsomol times, I ran a hundred meters pretty well. I was predicted at one time to be the champions of the 22nd sprint factory. Now in the steppe, brightly lit by the torch of a missile block flying at me, I probably set my personal record. But the steppe is not a treadmill. I stumble and fall, hurt my knee. There is an explosion behind me, and hot air is pouring over me. Nearby clods of earth raised by the explosion fall.

          Chertok B.E. "People and rockets"
          I also have an excerpt from only 9 launches of XNUMX launched missiles to Mars, Venus and the Moon, one conditionally successful (hit the planet). And you know, they didn’t shoot anyone, they didn’t put him in prison, or even took them off.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 4 December 2017 20: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: verner1967
            Further investigation revealed that there was not enough kerosene! The tank of the third stage was not refilled. I remembered Rudnev’s rebuke - “We shoot cities.” Here is another city as it never happened. This is the sloppiness of the tankers and controllers of the Barmin service!

            Listen, aren't you funny yourself? What refueling, what controllers? The media write all heresy to feed the people this nonsense of a madman. Or do you seriously think that you will be shown the true results of the investigation? Well then holy who believes.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 4 December 2017 20: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              The media write all heresy,

              Quote: verner1967
              Chertok B.E. "People and rockets"

              Damn it media?
              Quote: NEXUS
              Listen, aren't you funny yourself?
              or did you text non-violent? Is there a lot of beech? Sorry....
              1. Dembel77
                Dembel77 4 December 2017 20: 48 New
                +9
                It seems to me that Russia will soon turn into a country of complete lawlessness, and selective lawlessness. That is, laws are either absent or apply only to the disenfranchised part of the population - so that they feel a bridle. For those in power, as you yourself understand, most of the laws establishing responsibility for criminal acts do not seem to apply at all. To what we get to ...
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 4 December 2017 20: 50 New
                  +1
                  yeah, come ...
            2. LSA57
              LSA57 4 December 2017 23: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              Or do you seriously think that you will be shown the true results of the investigation?

              show to specialists. not Makarevich for delirium. what's the point of telling you? better grandmothers at the entrance. they will quickly spread the bibisi
          2. Cananecat
            Cananecat 5 December 2017 00: 39 New
            +2
            The main oxygen valve, which completely passed the control and sampling tests, was, according to the regulations, disassembled and it turned out that it was missing one part ...

            I’m sitting rtzu .... what do you have more to do with assembly production or with sofa comments?
            On liquid nitrogen, the valves and vents fall off due to the smallest ice crystals, and they have an oxygen valve here (do you hear Karl, an oxygen valve !!!!) understaffed passes tests at once ...))) You don’t even have a boiling point temperature difference you can’t name nitrogen and oxygen, where do you know how valves work in such conditions ... laughing
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 5 December 2017 02: 40 New
              0
              It was a quote, just a minute. "Chertok B.E." People and rockets "
              Of course they don’t tell you about the “ventel” at school, but you need to be able to read!
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 5 December 2017 07: 20 New
                0
                Quote: Mestny
                but you must be able to read!

                Well, yes, and he is one of those who are "glad to read, but to read nauseously" just the text "niasilil", now neighs laughing
                1. Cananecat
                  Cananecat 5 December 2017 19: 25 New
                  0
                  “In general, my faith in the engineering intuition of designers and testers is shaken,” said Grishin. - The main oxygen valve, which completely passed the control and selective tests, was disassembled according to the situation and it turned out that it was missing one part. The test representative then rejected.
                  When we read, we read carefully, whose words and where you bring ... the letters ... that Grishin was sung in his ears about the valve, no one knows for sure, Chertok, just brought his words.
                  Sofa Guard ... aunt ... no
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 5 December 2017 20: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: Canecat
                    that there Grishin was sung in the ears about the valve for sure no one knows

                    According to the Decision of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU of October 3, 1958, L.A. Grishin became a member of the Commission of the Presidium of the Council of Ministers of the USSR on military-industrial issues with the aim of considering and preparing measures to ensure the production of R-7A, R-11, R-12 missiles and S-75 system facilities, providing for the provision of materials, equipment and components.
                    Moreover, L.A. Grishin, not a party functionary, he stood at the origins of the development of our rocket technology, starting with the organization of the work of German engineers and workers in the USSR. And you want to say that they hung noodles on his ears?
                    Quote: Canecat
                    Sofa Guard ... aunt ...
      2. avt
        avt 4 December 2017 22: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: verner1967
        Missiles fell in the USSR with no less frequency and no one accused the socio-political system

        But here to get a medal for every launch
        The order will be fettered by tomorrow! ..
        and each other myaals for launch successful awarded ..... well, I have not heard. And they also made fun of Uncle Lena.
        Quote: NEXUS
        And after the fall of rockets in the USSR, bureaucrats supervising this issue continued to sit in their chairs?

        Differently. It happened that the minister came to the assembly and asked - ,, Guys! Well, make sure that this one is gone. " bully Well, Uncle Lenya, not bloodthirsty in life, used to say to Afanasyev - “Don’t do it, put it to the wall!” And he somehow believed him ..... without Laurentia however. But, right after launch, they didn’t thump before withdrawal and acceptance into the control of the output device. Probably because there was no Twitter, you can’t post it - there wasn’t bully
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 5 December 2017 07: 22 New
          0
          Quote: avt
          Well, Uncle Lenya, not bloodthirsty in life,

          actually then was Uncle Nikita, all the same the 60th year, but in general, why this opus?
    10. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 4 December 2017 22: 57 New
      +1
      There were no accidents under the Queen?
      What are you talking about?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 4 December 2017 23: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: ADmA_RUS
        There were no accidents under the Queen?
        What are you talking about?

        Dear, who says that there were no accidents under the Queen? The conversation that missiles didn’t fall so systematically and if they fell, someone lost their seats, and someone lost their freedom ... and here we have Rogozin, the main trampoline as he sat in his chair and sits.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 5 December 2017 07: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          missiles did not fall so systematically

          fell, fell ... Frigate is the second accident, but how many of them were 7? They just didn’t talk about it. If the launch was unsuccessful, TASS reported that the spacecraft, which had successfully launched the Baikonur cosmodrome, was exploring interplanetary space, B.E. There is a handwriting. And how many such ships in my memory were.
        2. ADmA_RUS
          ADmA_RUS 5 December 2017 08: 11 New
          +1
          Not knowing history does not cancel it. With comrade Queen. The launch was announced after the successful conclusion. And if the launch was not successful, and this fact could be hidden - it was hidden.
          And most importantly, where is the system?
          I do not see her point blank. Do you correctly understand the term systematically?
        3. avt
          avt 5 December 2017 10: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Dear, who says that there were no accidents under the Queen? Talk that missiles didn’t fall so systematically

          bully For ,, 500-ku "on the lunar program do not want to say anything? Ah! Yes! She is Chelomeevskaya! bully
    11. LSA57
      LSA57 4 December 2017 23: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      The reason is one socio-political system in the state.

      if the roof did not work for one individual, what does the system have to do with ??????? can rebuild the system in your head? or on your couch. do not touch the system. Maidan will not ride
    12. free
      free 4 December 2017 23: 53 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      The reason is one socio-political system in the state ... And nothing else. From this everything comes.

      Which is called capitalism.
  2. Primoos
    Primoos 4 December 2017 17: 21 New
    11
    Headache and sloppiness. And also greed. They try to squeeze hard workers dry and cram everything squeezed into their mouth.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 4 December 2017 19: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Primoos
      Workers try to squeeze dry

      I agree ... If a minimum wage is assigned and approved, then a DROT must be introduced lol (Adequate Labor Remuneration). If there are sighs or some squeals, then we are not against millions of salaries. Only if it is higher than the DROT, be so kind as to pay 95% of taxes and live in peace. Do you know why there is no progressive income tax in Russia? Then all dividends on shares will go to taxes (to the budget) ... belay And then our shareholders got divorced, but you won’t get enough of all the shares ... laughing
  3. svp67
    svp67 4 December 2017 17: 23 New
    19
    They say that a program for launching from Baikonur was downloaded to the acceleration unit's computer, but it doesn’t matter to me what was downloaded there, since there was no reliable control so it wasn’t. And most importantly, NO ONE except the priest took the blame ... It is time to end this, for such failures the leadership should be fully responsible. Enough liberalism in this matter, it does not lead to anything good. It's time to get rid of the "ballast", and then there is a lot of "nepotism" there, and as a result, the losses are huge.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 4 December 2017 18: 02 New
      +4
      I propose to expel Rogozin.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 06 New
        17
        Quote: Kent0001
        I propose to expel Rogozin.

        Rogozin, like the entire Kudrin economic elite, must not be driven, but planted. What does the same Chubais do in Rusnano? But the vegetable knows him, but he’s mastering the money very smartly. After which we are surprised that so much money has gone for the hill ...
        During the construction of the East, it was counted out of 25 lard of budget money that 5! 20% was stolen! And Rogozin is still at his post, and does not make small trees from large trees in Siberia.
        1. alexhol
          alexhol 4 December 2017 19: 45 New
          -2
          Speaking of beloved Chubais, read at Navalny. Very well described. Although in the opinion of most members of the forum Navalny can not be trusted. Do not read. stop
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 4 December 2017 21: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: alexhol
            Although in the opinion of most members of the forum Navalny can not be trusted.

            If you like Navalny so much, you can pick it up in Belarus yes Only your schoolchildren feel sorry, they will start jumping.
            1. alexhol
              alexhol 5 December 2017 08: 33 New
              -2
              In our country, if the oligarch does not pay taxes, he will be "closed" until he finds the money. And your government will write a tearful letter to the French president.
        2. ADmA_RUS
          ADmA_RUS 4 December 2017 22: 59 New
          0
          Where is the court ruling on their recognition as veins? No, then when you try to plant them, you will receive a 37-year-old strong new information environment. "Cool idea!
      2. svp67
        svp67 4 December 2017 18: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Kent0001
        I propose to expel Rogozin.

        Kick out? No, to unload ... but it seems like "Monomakh’s hat is hard for him," he is an active blogger both in industry and in politics. Leave one thing. Yes, and I remember he already had a "reprimand" from the President. Previously, such reprimands were not removed before the heroic death ... and that is not a fact. I think if they’re not “unloaded”, then it’s time to declare an incomplete official time.
        1. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 4 December 2017 18: 55 New
          +7
          He does not have a strict warning, and so thanks for something to declare him.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Primoos
          Primoos 4 December 2017 20: 33 New
          +7
          Last time I wrote on the site that Rogozin was empty-handed. I was almost eaten alive. Today I repeat - an empty little man, snatched, a talker. He did nothing good for the country, but did it for his family. Attaches relatives to the bins of the motherland in satisfying places.
      3. Esoteric
        Esoteric 4 December 2017 19: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Kent0001
        I propose to expel Rogozin.

        However, who accepted him for this job ??? belay
    2. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 4 December 2017 18: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      And most importantly, NO ONE except the priest took the blame ...


      You are +100 to karma.

      very symbolic.
      if the priest is the only hope in Roskosmos then my regrets to you.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 4 December 2017 18: 56 New
        +6
        And God grant you health! hi
        1. vlad_vlad
          vlad_vlad 4 December 2017 19: 07 New
          +3
          ul_vitalii Today, 18:56 ↑
          And God grant you health!


          thanks, mutually.

          don't get me wrong - I'm not a militant atheist. but I consider it wrong to consecrate rockets and generally all sorts of things.
          and shifting responsibility for one’s own actions to someone or whatever was actually a sin.
          1. In100gram
            In100gram 4 December 2017 20: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: vlad_vlad
            I consider it wrong to sanctify rockets and generally all sorts of things.

            Hope for God, but don’t be fooled. I consider the rite of sanctification correct, but not super complex engineering products. There God will not figure it out anyway. He has no engineering background
            1. dubovitskiy.1947
              dubovitskiy.1947 4 December 2017 21: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: In100gram
              Quote: vlad_vlad
              I consider it wrong to sanctify rockets and generally all sorts of things.

              Hope for God, but don’t be fooled. I consider the rite of sanctification correct, but not super complex engineering products. There God will not figure it out anyway. He has no engineering background

              Noah also had no engineering background. But .... Thanks to him, you are here.
              1. CAT BAIYUN
                CAT BAIYUN 4 December 2017 22: 48 New
                +6
                off-topic, I apologize, but I remembered something from the movie "Dogma":
                - Noah was an alcoholic, but he achieved everything! And the professionals built the Titanic!
                It’s difficult for me to discuss what happened, not a professional ... But tell me, but what, were there no unsuccessful launches in the USSR? Or do they not exist in other countries?
                I see that such a wave has arisen about this particular accident .... Whose important, but commercial satellite was there, that everyone was standing on their ears?
                Who really got on the headstock? So much so that insurance does not cover? If everything was there for state funds, there wouldn’t be such a trick .... I think so ... Explain pliz if I do not smell correctly ....
                1. slipped
                  slipped 5 December 2017 01: 40 New
                  +1
                  Roshydromet and MSTU hit, but of course, launching at 2,5 lard was insured. America and other Germans with the French are not in a claim, they say they will do it and launch it again from Vostochny. And galdezh - they waited too long for something to fall probably, that’s what they accumulated). Last year, the launch gap between partners with an Israeli satellite, and no one recalls the recent failure with the "Electron" at Roquetlab, nor is it kosher. For it is positive, but for the Russians it is negative.
      2. svp67
        svp67 4 December 2017 19: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: vlad_vlad
        if the priest is the only hope in Roskosmos then my regrets to you.

        ".. you can only BELIEVE in Russia ..." We are holding on to that. Maybe after that someone’s conscience will wake up.
    3. Alf
      Alf 4 December 2017 21: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And most importantly, NO ONE except the priest took the blame ...

      Really the saint obeyed ??? He probably said that during the consecration to the defective block, the holy water did not reach.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 December 2017 22: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Alf
        Did the saint obey?

        Well, he obeys. I googled about this Lucian. The pest is still that. crying
        It works for Catholics. Already two Union collapsed, which he sanctified. He’s a Wrazhin, in short. negative He places Catholic statues everywhere, he gave the church to Catholics. Enemy of the people.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 4 December 2017 23: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          It works for Catholics. Already two Union collapsed, which he sanctified.

          What kind of union? And if he worked for Catholics, then the Polish-Lithuanian church in Blagoveshchensk would have long gone to the Catholics, and so there is an Orthodox monastery.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 December 2017 23: 36 New
            +4
            Quote: Amurets
            What kind of union?

            What google, then I write. laughing And since I’ve been a little drunk, I only remember a solid negative about this Luka. drinks
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 4 December 2017 23: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              And since I’ve been a little drunk, I only remember a solid negative about this Luka.

              They say anything about him, but not that he sold himself to the Catholics.
              1. dSK
                dSK 5 December 2017 00: 48 New
                +2
                He did everything he could, and if the block with satellites crashed into the territory of the United States or Canada - at least he would have to pay "compensation", not to mention the possible inadequate operation of the missile defense. hi
  4. Baloo
    Baloo 4 December 2017 17: 23 New
    +4
    A superficial article that does not answer the main question: criminal intent or flagrant negligence. Another article claimed that instead of a 2 degree turn, the ship turned 358! It remains to wait for the results of the investigation and actions.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 4 December 2017 19: 11 New
      +5
      If at 362, then it would be normal wassat
    2. 34 region
      34 region 4 December 2017 23: 01 New
      +1
      Balu Today, 17:23. *** In another article, it was argued that instead of a 2 degree turn, the ship turned 358! *** But it was 2 degrees! 360 minus two, equal to 358! What is wrong? The wrong hut turned in the wrong direction? And who coordinated the task?
  5. alavrin
    alavrin 4 December 2017 17: 24 New
    10
    Inconsistency of action of enterprises .... some kind of baby talk. Rocket launches 70 years - enough time for decision coherence ...
    1. andr327
      andr327 4 December 2017 18: 38 New
      +3
      And the farther, the disagreement more and more. Centralization used to be. and now partnerships on the principle of “Who made the suit?”
  6. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 4 December 2017 17: 24 New
    +4
    shoot the guilty, and stop falling immediately. as well as tightly control everything related to the launch. every penny ..
    1. andr327
      andr327 4 December 2017 18: 09 New
      +3
      If everyone is shot, then nothing will take off at all, but tight control of technological discipline, plus financial control, makes sense.
      What is more pity that there are not enough real young specialists, only managers remained. And it is impossible to become a real leader without having worked in the "workshop". He will be able to come up with a journal of slogans, he is capable of indicating a bright goal, but he does not know how to go this way.
    2. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 4 December 2017 18: 15 New
      +8
      A rocket without a spacesuit.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 4 December 2017 19: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        A rocket without a spacesuit.

        Good you ...

        So staff - in a spacesuit, but without a descent vehicle. wassat

        But seriously, to strengthen control at the reception, eliminate the “storming” (deadlines are on fire! AAAAA !!! )
        "Production culture" rolls "below the plinth."
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 4 December 2017 18: 47 New
      +1
      Not. It’s like if in Syria for the shootings to enter the shooting with the announcement of all military units - the level today for cowardice and abandonment of the position were shot Lieutenant Abdula, Sergeant Mahmoud, etc. This will cause the rest to scatter.

      It’s similar here. Why sit under such a responsibility, if for the same money you can transfer pieces of paper in the office or engineer, but not rockets, but something household.
    4. Alf
      Alf 4 December 2017 21: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: frowning fox
      shoot the guilty,

      Then without the top management, including in the Kremlin, we will remain.
    5. 34 region
      34 region 4 December 2017 23: 04 New
      +1
      gloomy fox Today, 17:24. *** The perpetrators will be shot, and they will cease to fall immediately. as well as tightly control everything related to the launch. *** And what? Will they shoot themselves?
  7. senima56
    senima56 4 December 2017 17: 24 New
    12
    Under Stalin, both the welder and the director would have been imprisoned! Because there were no untouchables! Today you are a member of the Potilburo, and tomorrow they’ll put it to the wall if something goes wrong! For that, they recall Stalin! And now he ditched the industry, "transferred to another job." Oh how!
    1. bk316
      bk316 4 December 2017 18: 07 New
      +4
      Under Stalin, both the welder and the director would have been imprisoned!

      They didn’t put Yangel, not just satellites fell, THE WHOLE MAIN MARCHAL OF THE ARTILLERY BURNED.
      And although it was not under Stalin it was and did not prevent a person from launching into space.
  8. corporal
    corporal 4 December 2017 17: 24 New
    +2
    The welder and the storekeeper were fired,

    inconsistencies in the actions of enterprises that laid down flight tasks

    Now the turn has come to programmers. laughing wassat
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 4 December 2017 18: 17 New
      +7
      Yeah, clave and snout.
  9. vanavatny
    vanavatny 4 December 2017 17: 25 New
    +8
    give hydrocephalus a mirror ... he is looking for the guilty ...
  10. izya top
    izya top 4 December 2017 17: 26 New
    +3
    there are at least several reasons, and one of them is screwed on by lyceum students-graduates-economists, lawyers and other accountants stop workers have not been taught professions for 25 years
    1. SOF
      SOF 4 December 2017 17: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: iza top
      workers have not been taught professions for 25 years

      ... because there is no demand, and there is no demand due to miserable salaries, which leads to the fact that there are no normal turners, but a bunch of engineers with correspondence-bought diplomas who do not know how to calculate an elementary proportion.
      We arrived ...
    2. bk316
      bk316 4 December 2017 18: 10 New
      +5
      And then nuts, read the article?
      Or do you think a wrench program is being installed?
  11. alexhol
    alexhol 4 December 2017 17: 33 New
    +8
    In my opinion, Sergei Shnurov knows for sure:
    "Apparently we didn’t cry somewhere
    Or ate fast goose,
    What can not an Orthodox rocket
    To enter orbit, carrying satellites. "...
  12. Herculesic
    Herculesic 4 December 2017 17: 36 New
    +4
    So I think, who is to blame, grandmother Katya with solder, or a mechanic Stepanich who screwed a nut with a right thread on the left thread? what And what’s amazing, the thread of the bolt is small, but the thread of the nut is large, but he managed, the tramp to combine seemingly incompatible! !! lol
  13. Herculesic
    Herculesic 4 December 2017 17: 38 New
    +3
    In short, excuse is sharp, but genal! wassat
  14. fa2998
    fa2998 4 December 2017 17: 41 New
    12
    I’ll try to answer the question asked in the title of the article. The satellites dropped because of unheard of thefts, and inaction of the authorities to restore order. And let the state. Medvedev does not throw thunder and lightning, part of the fault is on him! And it is necessary to land from the TOP, and to send Rogozin into orbit with the help of a trampoline. negative hi
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 4 December 2017 17: 57 New
      +5
      The wild crowd is ready to blame everyone. Ready to look for reasons in theft and carelessness. And everyone will surely find the guilty. After all, it is so easy to blame anyone and for everything, when you remain only a judge. The Americans even refused to fly, realizing that it was better to buy engines from Russia and then blame them for all the disasters. But let everyone ask the question - "Can all this fuss solve the problem?" Of course you can’t. You can look for the guilty for another hundred and a thousand years, but things will not move. But you just need a workflow, starting with the idea of ​​how to switch to a new class of really heavy and effective missiles. . We need real-life ideas about the operation of such new engines, and not fairy tales about obscure and without real development ionic and all other engines. We need work from scratch and not get into high-potential physical processes in which no one understands anything. In the meantime, fly on proven technologies and explore, explore the laws of processes ..
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 4 December 2017 17: 58 New
      +1
      And what did they steal? The nut? I read the nonsense of local commentators and it terribly becomes ... What do they have in their head? Porridge.
    3. japs
      japs 4 December 2017 17: 59 New
      +5
      Do not laugh, tomorrow they will report that Rogozin has been put into a given orbit with the help of a space trampoline from RUSNANO. Costs amounted to a meager 40 billion killed raccoons on the "golden parachute" of Nanolis.
  15. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 4 December 2017 17: 43 New
    +4
    Can Medvedev punish himself and the entire government?
  16. JD1979
    JD1979 4 December 2017 17: 44 New
    +1
    I’m wondering, there’s a simulator for pilots, there’s a BTT for drivers, maybe they can do electronic simulators for someone, and what can’t electronic launch simulation be done to check the correct operation of equipment and algorithms?
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov 4 December 2017 17: 58 New
      +1
      Everything is much more complicated there. Let’s say, for example, to check the air defense system, there are a lot of buttons and a lot of time. And no one can do this action without me. I can, but not in every car climb and insert a pill. sad
    2. bk316
      bk316 4 December 2017 18: 11 New
      +2
      I'm afraid not.
  17. aries2200
    aries2200 4 December 2017 18: 01 New
    +3
    the guilty party is Medvedev himself — he created a vicious system ... now let him shoot himself in the leg ... better at the temple ... the fish rots from the head.
  18. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 4 December 2017 18: 01 New
    0
    Well, of course, the perperdicular azimuth was definitely mixed up ... along with KOTAngens - 100 pounds.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 4 December 2017 19: 35 New
      0
      Classes in technical training in the army unit.
      Ensign:
      - Water boils at 90 degrees.
      Soldier:
      - I studied at the university, the water boils at 100 degrees.
      Ensign:
      “Once again, I repeat.” that water boils at 90 degrees, write down ... luminium ... cast iron ...
      A week goes by. Warrant Officer: I studied the statements of the Academy of Sciences, textbooks
      students, write down:
      - Water still boils at 100 degrees, and 90 degrees is a right angle ...
      Another week goes by. Ensign:
      - Let's repeat the material covered ... At what temperature the right angle boils ... forgot ... So the right angle does not boil in water ...
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 5 December 2017 04: 18 New
        0
        drinks cast a spell ... the lower the pressure, the lower the boiling point wassat And the mangos from space know this ???
  19. Piramidon
    Piramidon 4 December 2017 18: 05 New
    +6
    ... the cause of the crash is the inconsistency of the actions of enterprises that laid flight missions in the control systems of the Soyuz 2.1b launch vehicle and the Frigate upper stage.

    I get sober from such an excuse. It turns out that no one controls anything. Vasya brought the block, Petya brought the rocket, and Sanya put everything together and loaded his program. We, apparently, are considered fools and use such excuses
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 4 December 2017 19: 33 New
      +4
      Piramidon Today, 18:05
      I get sober from such an excuse. It turns out that no one controls anything.

      Work in production in 90% of cases (if not more) looks like this -
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 4 December 2017 19: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Piramidon
      We, apparently, are considered fools and use such excuses

      They believe that even better we think that they consider us fools ... belay What we will consider them fools ...
      Tell me, who is there “especially competent” and who created something before he was appointed to a responsible post? The same Rogozin ... Yes, forgive me, is he not the main academician of all space sciences yet ... And this one, “iPhone”? During the presidency, appointed Serdyukov, slept through the war, played with time zones and renamed the police to the police? Hooray!!! fellow
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 5 December 2017 04: 20 New
        0
        "renamed the police to the police" ... POLICE OFFICERS - Ural dumplings stamped on his forehead.
    3. spirit
      spirit 4 December 2017 19: 57 New
      +1
      So we only have Musk stupid laughing
    4. Alf
      Alf 4 December 2017 21: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Piramidon
      We, apparently, are considered fools

      For 25 years, as they say. And judging by the election results, they correctly believe.
  20. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 December 2017 18: 19 New
    +3
    Today, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded to identify and punish those responsible for disrupting the program to put satellites into orbit ..... The welder and the storekeeper were fired, but for some reason this didn’t affect the frequency of emergency situations ...
    Can Dmitry Anatolyevich be made personally responsible for disrupting orbit entry? Because there are a lot of welders and storekeepers across Russia, and this cat-talk may continue for a long time when the worker is an article, and the order of the chest for a big and dignified official is for merit.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 4 December 2017 20: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Can Dmitry Anatolyevich be made personally responsible for disruptions to orbit?

      As they say - "Who will plant him, is he a monument?" Well, we have enough storekeepers and locksmiths for a hundred years.

      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 December 2017 20: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Piramidon
        Well, we have enough storekeepers and locksmiths for a hundred years.

        With such insensitivity towards the aspirations of the people, at one fine moment the “ministers” can end looking, and they, with their azure eurovills, wave their hands to us, their dear Russians. And I have family and destiny here, then disentangle them knee-deep in blood. And all because they don’t want to establish normal partnerships with the people and they are not going to refuse an easy way to fill their pockets. Therefore, our stability can be compared to silence in a powder warehouse. No one is going to build a normal political field , to negotiate with the people, to answer before him and to fulfill the mandate. But we want only one --- our native land and will, a fair trial for our affairs and a mighty sword in hand, if it breaks the alarm ...
  21. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 4 December 2017 18: 19 New
    +7
    You need to do something, they will get to the manned ships (pah, pah, pah)
  22. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 4 December 2017 18: 23 New
    +1
    ... Today, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded to identify and punish those responsible for disrupting the program to launch satellites into orbit ... Well, just like the same non-commissioned widow!
  23. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 4 December 2017 18: 25 New
    +1
    [quote = Zibelew] [quote = maxim947] The reason, like the first crash, was the reason for the programmers [/ quote]
    golden words
    - "Hi guys! You are well settled! ”
  24. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 4 December 2017 18: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: SOF
    due to beggarly salaries

    the "effective manageroff" with salaries is all right ....
  25. Ivan58
    Ivan58 4 December 2017 18: 44 New
    0
    The reason is the leaders. They save on everything except their loved ones. And Medvedev would start with himself.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 4 December 2017 19: 28 New
      +1
      Now, the savings will go to pay a bribe to the chairman of the commission, which will come with an audit to these managers.
  26. gromoboj
    gromoboj 4 December 2017 18: 49 New
    0
    Today, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded to identify and punish those responsible for the failure of the program to bring satellites into orbit.

    Is he going to punish himself?
  27. midshipman
    midshipman 4 December 2017 18: 53 New
    +9
    I often had to attend the launches. The enterprises of the 6th Main Directorate of the MCI of the USSR created and manufactured products for the object of the USSR Ministry of General. I believe that in this case the technology and the procedure for accepting products at all stages are violated. My products stood on Chalome’s rockets and always on the blocks that were already standing on the rocket there was a tag with the inscription: “I checked the name of the tuner. I took the name of the military representative and his rank.” It all sank into .... He was a member of the State Commission for the launch of the ISS "Buran". Everything was there, as I quoted above. Therefore, the launch and landing were normal. And we were all awarded Government awards. I was personally awarded the Order. I have the honor.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 4 December 2017 19: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: midshipman
      Everything was there, as I quoted above. Therefore, the launch and landing were normal.

      Respect and uvazhuha hi drinks
    2. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 4 December 2017 22: 51 New
      +5
      At the launches in Baikonur did not have to take part. And Chelomey and his offspring NPO "Engineering" did not have to face. But Plesetsk know very well. Starts were prepared along with the KBYu and YuMZ, the payload was displayed on the Cyclones. So before launching for 24 hours before the State Commission there were reports on each (!) Media system and apparatus. And for each system there was a leader who knew everything from and to. Each time, at every launch, an atmosphere of very high professionalism and responsibility was felt.
      It’s easy to destroy it, but to restore it ...
  28. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 4 December 2017 18: 55 New
    0
    View of a person far from the topic:
    .... The reasons are clear .. :(
  29. bk316
    bk316 4 December 2017 18: 57 New
    +4
    I didn’t want to write, okay.

    The only reason listed in the comments that is somehow likely to be sabotage, BUT I don’t believe it, it’s very good that it would be true.

    The real reason (more precisely, the reasons) is the following, who has ever worked in such a production knows for sure, but for some reason is silent.
    1. People are no longer afraid (and right, what are they risking?) =>
    1.1 Become a little less attentive (just a little bit, you never dreamed how much more carefully they are YOU all on this forum)
    1.2 They began to formally carry out control procedures (this is already a disaster)
    1.3 Stop knocking on each other (a very important factor)
    2. Failure in frames =>
    2.1 Old people are more likely to make mistakes because they are old
    2.2 Young people have not gained experience (by the way, young people are there)
    2.3 Ideological motivation has disappeared.
    3. The products have become more technologically advanced, but the production culture has not grown.

    Together, this is called a systemic industry crisis. My father worked with Chelomey, then with Efremov, he foresaw 30 years ago that everything would be so. So relax, you need to develop and maintain what is alive (KRET, MINATOM, software development), space rocket science has died.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2017 21: 00 New
      +1
      The missiles are already outdated, the future lies with fully returned components - technologies for single-stage aerospace aircraft.
  30. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 4 December 2017 18: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Siberian barber
    View of a person far from the topic:
    .... The reasons are clear .. :(

    A wonderful "mirror" occurring in many industries (((
    Wacky, bite!)))
  31. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 4 December 2017 18: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: midshipman
    I often had to attend the launches. The enterprises of the 6th Main Directorate of the MCI of the USSR created and manufactured products for the object of the USSR Ministry of General. I believe that in this case the technology and the procedure for accepting products at all stages are violated. My products stood on Chalome’s rockets and always on the blocks that were already standing on the rocket there was a tag with the inscription: “I checked the name of the tuner. I took the name of the military representative and his rank.” It all sank into .... He was a member of the State Commission for the launch of the ISS "Buran". Everything was there, as I quoted above. Therefore, the launch and landing were normal. And we were all awarded Government awards. I was personally awarded the Order. I have the honor.

    A plus..
  32. 1536
    1536 4 December 2017 19: 20 New
    +1
    In the words of S.P. Korolev, Space does not conquer at the stand. To do this, fly. But how can we talk about flights if a year and a half passes between one and the other?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2017 21: 02 New
      +3
      Space will be conquered and will be conquered by others - Russia in this area, has long been on the sidelines.
  33. groks
    groks 4 December 2017 19: 37 New
    +1
    There is an interesting point. Not a single problem with manned launches. God grant, of course, that they were not there. But with such a replenishment of the ocean and Altai satellite constellation ... are the cosmonauts kicked into the ship?
    1. slipped
      slipped 5 December 2017 02: 25 New
      0
      Probably, when Columbia took off, the astronauts really did not want to sit in it, remembering the Challenger. They kicked them there, especially the Israeli astronaut. Is it fun to carry nonsense?
  34. flc9800
    flc9800 4 December 2017 19: 50 New
    +2
    "Every mistake has a name and a surname" - this saying is attributed to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.
    1. corporal
      corporal 5 December 2017 00: 27 New
      +1
      “Each accident has a surname, name and patronymic!” - said the People's Commissar of Railway Transport Kaganovich. (C)
  35. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 4 December 2017 19: 56 New
    +1
    As knowledgeable people say, some (can they really remain nameless ???) the compilers of the launch program mixed up the launch site of the rocket. Instead of Vostochny, Baikonur’s coordinates were put into the program. Or maybe this is not accidentally done. But - "We do not sow, do not plow,
    don't build
    we are proud of the liberal system! "
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2017 21: 04 New
      +1
      We both sow and plow and build - but satellites are not good at launching.
      1. slipped
        slipped 5 December 2017 02: 18 New
        +1
        Do you know how to launch satellites?))) I doubt something. This year, China dropped two satellites, India and Japan one at a time, even private traders from the United States and those goofed. But how epic last year the rocket exploded at Mask, right? He does not know how to launch satellites.

        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 December 2017 00: 57 New
          +1
          With us, they have already begun to fall systematically - every year.
    2. verner1967
      verner1967 6 December 2017 07: 37 New
      0
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Or maybe this is not accidentally done. But - "We do not sow, do not plow,
      don't build
      we are proud of the liberal system! "

      Cosmonaut V.M. Komarov died due to an unopened parachute, which could not exit due to improper stowage. And How?
      Quote: 16112014nk
      "We do not sow, do not plow, do not build, we are proud of the socialist system!"
  36. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 4 December 2017 20: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: SOF
    and there is no demand due to miserable salaries,

    Almost a joke:
    How much does an engineer earn in a month at Roskosmos?
    20 000 rubles.
    And how many engineer in NASA?
    Also 20.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2017 21: 05 New
      +2
      20000 dollars, plus various allowances.
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 5 December 2017 11: 28 New
        +1
        Well, so am I about the same. Our engineers and workers need to pay 400-500 thousand rubles, as they deserve for their work. Instead, they pay 800 pediatricians in the State Duma, who do not understand what they are doing.
    2. bk316
      bk316 5 December 2017 10: 34 New
      +2
      20 000 rubles

      There are no such salaries from 35 (actually from 40) plus allowances. This is me about "Energy".
      And this is just called an engineer, I watched their electronic engineers and young programmers. I wouldn’t take those for 20000.
  37. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 4 December 2017 21: 00 New
    +6
    C'mon, soon nobody will work in Russia at all - now a new "mulka" is gaining momentum - why work at all, produce something - when you can just sit and "mine" cryptocurrency ... Engineers, programmers and professional workers say .... well. They do not need the "modern economy" ... The basis of the modern economy is the "banking and credit sector", where all the money is spinning, bypassing production. The formula: "money-product-money" doesn’t work anymore, now only the formula "money-money" or, more precisely, credit-money-refinancing-money-withdrawing money for cordon-bankruptcy "works ...
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 5 December 2017 04: 55 New
      +1
      In order to mine cryptocurrency, you need: 1 - the brains are uniquely and sharpened to work with server hardware (otherwise you and your miner, along with your wallet and Satoshi-bitcoins, will actually be removed after a very short time), 2 - the choice of iron itself for mining, because this is the starting point of its effectiveness in terms of performance ... they live relatively shortly because the source code tends to be complicated, 3 - even for the operation of one miner with high performance, you need a separate room with cool electrical wiring and built-in power protection (otherwise swell with repair this pieces of iron) and a low-frequency vacuum-like howl of the ventilation system is unlikely to please you, 4 - in the summer it’s afraid of overheating and it’s not worth it to roll your lip on the built-in temperature sensors (he needs air conditioning during this period), and in the winter he is afraid of freezing and condensation ... , 5 - even a single miner needs an initial loot and not a small one, where when buying e they can throw you corny because all this is taken on an advance payment, 6 - the presence of a stable and closed Internet channel 7 - the climax ... the very cashing of hard-earned bitcoins bully
      Conclusion - this is far from a freebie and you will have to sweat the digger of bitcoins.
  38. Kelwin
    Kelwin 4 December 2017 21: 08 New
    +3
    Judging by the comments, they went too far with excuse. No, well, one can suppose both an error and "inconsistency", although it is not clear what is meant by this concept, it is very vague. But this is just enchanting flight. At that time, the kerosene was underfilled, then the sensors were turned upside down, now they’ve messed up with the program - it's just a headache. Anyway, but what, the launch is made without preliminary simulation? If so, then the question is, why? Maybe Mr. Rogozin will explain to us who mixed up the flash drives there?
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 4 December 2017 23: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: KelWin
      At that time, the kerosene was underfilled, then the sensors were turned upside down, now they’ve messed up with the program - it's just a headache.

      Everything is simpler ... People simply consider it a herd that grabs any crap and does not choke. They freed Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, they threw the Sakhalin thief (like everyone steals), they ate the first two starts of the unsuccessful Union and did not choke, theft on the East was also swallowed, although hard workers told the president about lawlessness and so on ... people hawl. But Rogozins, kudrins, chubais continue to sit in their chairs and broadcast about trampolines on Twitter, about what you need to hold on to, because there is no money ... And are we still sitting here over Poroshenko and cutting over in the USA? Ugh!
      That's how we live. So what kind of order and independence are we talking about?
  39. Forever so
    Forever so 4 December 2017 21: 38 New
    +2
    Today, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded to identify and punish those responsible for the failure of the program to bring satellites into orbit.

    And tomorrow morning we were surprised to find out that D.A.M. was shot as the main culprit.
  40. Ural resident
    Ural resident 4 December 2017 21: 48 New
    +2
    I have been looking at Medvedev for 10 years with frowning and formidable eyebrows in front of silent ministers.
    Such a media picture for the "second-rate" population.
    This disgrace is complete. This should not happen at all from the word "at all."
    You steal, but be kind - do the main thing.
    We must already kick out all this “raspberry” with Medvedev in the forefront
  41. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 4 December 2017 21: 52 New
    +2
    For some reason, there was no discussion of the responsibility of officials. The welder and the storekeeper were fired, but for some reason this didn’t affect the frequency of emergency situations ...

    There is a simple Russian proverb - "the fish rots from the head." Now, if superfluous managers were fired and their work was hindered by cooperation, then there would have been more order. You would have found funds to increase the salaries of real employees, not inflated Manager’s. Maybe jobs could be found for those who actually carry out system checks before start-up and during assembly of nodes. Now 5 managers for 1 employee. and all must be fed, and not brown bread. hi
  42. Holoy
    Holoy 4 December 2017 23: 24 New
    +2
    Due to Rogozin ... the industry is a mess! Design engineers with a salary of 20.000 and with a ban on traveling abroad ... and Directors with a salary of 20.000 million who do not get out from abroad and economically-organized children who steal ... they will not lead to good!
  43. mcqway
    mcqway 4 December 2017 23: 58 New
    +1
    You know, colleagues, there is a feeling that this time it was a planned action. From our side.
    Too tight now everything is happening in the world. If on the verge of a big conflict, then why not fill up the satellites of a potential enemy? Well, or like "fill up"? Nobody knows for sure WHAT fell into the ocean? Or what remained in orbit did not stop working? It's like with Serdyukov. For everyone - a shit ... But! The reform of the RF Armed Forces entered the active phase precisely with it. Or does everyone think that they changed Serdyukov and exactly one month later - everything became different? There is something to think about ...
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 5 December 2017 02: 45 New
      -1
      Not everyone thinks so. But the "fighters against the regime" think so.
  44. Sige
    Sige 5 December 2017 00: 18 New
    +1
    For five hundred rubles, any ekperd from any boy will make him drunk.
    And if you still pile a lot of money, then any worker in the engine will freeze the glove ...
  45. Vadim237
    Vadim237 5 December 2017 00: 21 New
    +4
    At Roskosmos, the awards were already ready for the successful withdrawal - Withdrawal occurred in the opposite direction.
    1. slipped
      slipped 5 December 2017 02: 12 New
      0
      Commemorative badges are always prepared in advance, only the telegram channel Life Shot calls them awards
  46. Mestny
    Mestny 5 December 2017 02: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Kent0001
    I propose to expel Rogozin.

    The main thing is not to forget about those who appointed him - and then everything will be fine.
    Ukraine will not let lie.
  47. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 5 December 2017 04: 10 New
    0
    Quote: maxim947
    Once again, Frigate is the second accident and for the same reason - errors in the program. And this is called negligence.

    This is called wrecking. Because after the Phobos accident, it was decided to create a simulator on which the entire flight to idle was driven. And even what they created on Baikonur, but they forgot about the East.
  48. Sower
    Sower 5 December 2017 04: 23 New
    +1
    There is one reason for this: directors and managers sitting in armchairs, sitting at huge grandmothers. You need to drive them first. According to the list. Director, deputy, economists, managers. And so every time. So that they think and work. They understand whose head is thinking and whose hands twist, and not just about your pocket. And the subordinates paid a normal salary, to the detriment of their huge salary. The problem is in sight. This is a huge incompetence of the leadership.
    In the meantime, Baba Klava or Misha, the welder, are doing the extreme.
    1. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 5 December 2017 11: 47 New
      0
      You have math problems. Count the salaries of the tops, and divide by the number of ordinary workers. And oh, horror! Salaries will rise by interest. Yes Yes. In the best cases, we can talk about 10% -20% percent. That is, one cannot speak of a qualitative increase in wages due to tops
  49. ver_
    ver_ 5 December 2017 04: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Kleber
    Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn
    At Roscosmos you need to send Lavrenty Pavlovich.


    I’m not sure that he will agree.

    ... and who will ask his opinion?
  50. Eurodav
    Eurodav 5 December 2017 04: 52 New
    0
    "... According to a Izvestia source, the investigative authorities launched a pre-investigation check against officials of the space and rocket industry enterprises. There are questions to the general director of the NGO Lavochkin (producer of Frigate) Sergey Lemeshevsky and the chairman of the state commission who gave permission to start - to the first deputy general director of the state corporation Roscosmos Alexander Ivanov ... "
    Not to the chief designer questions, but to managers! Is there sabotage or sabotage?
    "... As a source in the investigating authorities told Izvestia, according to preliminary data, the main version of the accident is a systematic malfunction in the satellite navigation unit that is part of the Frigate control system. This recurring error was known to both NPO Lavochkina and Roscosmos. "But Sergei Lemeshevsky and Alexander Ivanov still gave the green light to launch. It was concluded that this problem does not affect the operation of the upper stage ..."
    That is sabotage or sabotage. It is impossible to qualify more precisely due to lack of information ...