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Source: Development BZHRK new generation discontinued

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The development of combat railway complexes (BZHRK) of the new generation was discontinued. The topic is closed, at least for the near future. This was reported by an informed representative of the military-industrial complex of Russia. The reason, presumably, is the lack of funding.


A year ago, it seemed that rocket trains under the name Barguzin would soon begin to become the Strategic Missile Forces.

Source: Development BZHRK new generation discontinued


Немного stories: In September 2009, the command of the Strategic Missile Forces expressed the opinion that the development of a new generation of rocket trains with Russian-made missiles may soon begin. because on the Soviet BZhRK there were missiles of the Yuzhnoye design bureau, and Kiev prohibited the Yuzhmash specialists to cooperate with the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia in all areas.

In December, 2011, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergey Karakaev, almost officially announced the beginning of the revival of the BZHRK. And in April, 2013, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering is embarking on research and development, a new-generation railway missile systems.

At the end of 2014, the command of the Strategic Missile Forces once again, as reported in the media, publicly confirmed that the BZHRK would be reborn. Even there was information that the adapted ballistic missiles of the Yars complex would be used as their missile weapons.
At the end of last year, it was announced that successful throwing tests of an intercontinental ballistic missile for a combat railway missile complex had passed. The launch was carried out by the Yars rocket model.

The Moscow Heat Engineering Institute, which is developing a new BZHRK, has not yet officially confirmed the official information about the cessation of work on Barguzin, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta
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  1. Primoos
    Primoos 2 December 2017 14: 39 New
    32
    Another bastard? Someone somewhere told someone?
    1. DEPARTMENT-M29
      DEPARTMENT-M29 2 December 2017 14: 42 New
      43
      Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 2 December 2017 14: 45 New
        33
        I would like to hear it from the officials .. But not from unknown who ..
        1. DEPARTMENT-M29
          DEPARTMENT-M29 2 December 2017 14: 53 New
          12
          Quote: 210ox
          I would like to hear it from the officials .. But not from unknown who ..

          official ..? They are simply not there and many are sitting here and waiting when they are told something!
          Balabol .. hi
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 2 December 2017 18: 06 New
            21
            Maybe a duck?
            Officially stop, and quietly put on duty. In the event of a conflict, the first blow is delivered to the explored underground mines, and the answer arrives, from where it is not expected.
            The idea of ​​a rocket train disguised as a regular one is too good. They can not refuse from this.
            1. Dashout
              Dashout 2 December 2017 20: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Shurik70
              Too good is the idea of ​​a missile train disguised as an ordinary one. They can’t refuse it

              + 5!
              1. Going
                Going 2 December 2017 21: 46 New
                11
                People, do not go crazy who will discuss such information on V.O. , let's go think logically - sanctions are introduced against us? - then why is there more pressure on us? Most importantly, again, proceeding from our sofas - a 40-foot container is transported by sea, road and rail, so hello to all our "partners."
              2. ProkletyiPirat
                ProkletyiPirat 2 December 2017 21: 54 New
                +5
                Quote: Dashout
                Quote: Shurik70
                Too good is the idea of ​​a missile train disguised as an ordinary one. They can’t refuse it

                + 5!

                And so we had similar trains? WERE! do we have them? NO! we refused them? YES!
                So what the hell the next half-educated began to develop barguzin? Did someone ask them?
                For those who yell about "THIS IS A CONSPIRATION!" or even more so for those who are yelling "THIS IS THE Tricky PUTIN PAYMENT!" explain and chew the obvious things:
                1) even during the revolution there were railway complexes, and they were abandoned, because they can travel ONLY along the railway line which is easy to destroy and VERY LONG AND EXPENSIVE to repair. That is, in practice it turned out that wheeled-tracked types of equipment are banally more effective in terms of maneuver and stealth (in terms of the complexity of detection and the speed of runaway upon detection)
                2) in the late Soviet time, we again made the railway \\ but this time missile, and not artillery. And he was also abandoned after implementation. AND AGAIN the same reasons a) ease of detection by the enemy b) ease of setting barriers e) limited ability to maneuver during enemy actions
                all two points and three features made all the railway complexes ineffective, they simply have no advantages, but someone will object "there is more payload", "there is more transfer speed", but only with a combination of tracked-wheeled weapons and conventional Railway platform we get the best from each option. soldier
            2. SHURUM -BURUM
              SHURUM -BURUM 2 December 2017 21: 04 New
              +6
              And three locomotives are, in my opinion, a cool unmasking sign. Now there are one freight, a maximum of two locomotives pulling. It may still abandon the lunar station and trampolines for it, but leave Barguzin, reducing the number of diesel locomotives to 2?
              1. Dr_engie
                Dr_engie 2 December 2017 23: 12 New
                +3
                There, by the way, behind the passenger cars there is a tank immediately and after the tank - a "refrigerator". Such a neighborhood is prohibited by the rules of civil transport and issues a military train, because between tanks and other wagons (especially passenger ones) there should be “cover wagons” carrying inert cargo. Anyway, have you seen a lot of passenger trains with tanks in the train?))
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 2 December 2017 23: 54 New
                  +7
                  The tank is easy to disguise as a passenger or the same refrigerator.
                  This is an easily solved technical problem.
                  Here are three diesel locomotives - yes.
              2. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 3 December 2017 03: 27 New
                +1
                Now weights are such that the goods sometimes pull as much as twin three-section locomotives !!! and just four sectional systems so simple a blizzard! and on the base VL80S and on the basis of the new 2ES5K - it is on alternating current, there are the same LAUGHTERs and nga direct current.
                1. Dr_engie
                  Dr_engie 3 December 2017 16: 31 New
                  0
                  Only such locomotives usually do not pull a dozen cars, like here.
            3. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 2 December 2017 23: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              The idea of ​​a rocket train disguised as a regular one is too good. They can not refuse from this.

              Quite the contrary, therefore, they will not let it be realized.
          2. Juborg
            Juborg 3 December 2017 00: 14 New
            +1
            You dear decided to believe "RG", so besides the fact that the liberal press organ, did you also believe some kind of spit, with an unknown source? It's time to turn on the brain. On the network so far, generally, there is not even the slightest information about this. This is the same as the burp of Bondarev, the former commander of the VKS, who stated that the Mi-28 was about to shoot, the glasses were “the death of a pilot,” but he didn’t specify that the Mi-35 flyers fly with the same glasses and electronics Ka-52 and even use the Mi-24 and do not complain about anything.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 3 December 2017 19: 34 New
              0
              Quote: juborg
              This is the same as the burp of Bondarev, the former commander of the VKS, who stated that the Mi-28 was about to

              He said that the Ka-50 exceeded it in almost all respects ...
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 2 December 2017 15: 44 New
          15
          Quote: 210ox
          I would like to hear it from the officials .. But not from unknown who ..

          Here I am about that ... it seems like a misinformation and not the smartest one. Given that the direction on the Strategic Missile Forces is designated as a priority.
          1. japs
            japs 2 December 2017 16: 52 New
            15
            Source - Rossiyskaya Gazeta? Is she really Russian?
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 2 December 2017 18: 43 New
              +7
              Quote: japs
              Source - Rossiyskaya Gazeta? Is she really Russian?

              Unlike "private" media, "privatizing" well-known "brands" (TASS, Izvestia, Moskovsky Komsomolets, Komsomolskaya Pravda) -
              Rossiyskaya Gazeta is a publication of the new Russian state, it was established by the Government of the Russian Federation, the first issue of the newspaper was published on November 11, 1990.
              Rossiyskaya Gazeta is an official publication - after publication, state documents enter into force here.

              https://rg.ru/about/
              1. av58
                av58 2 December 2017 20: 13 New
                +4
                The WG confirmed: https://rg.ru/2017/12/02/razrabotka-boevyh-zhelez
                nodorozhnyh-kompleksov-novogo-pokoleniia-prekrash
                chena.html
              2. korvin1976
                korvin1976 3 December 2017 11: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: Freeman
                Rossiyskaya Gazeta is an official publication - after publication, state documents enter into force here.


                Just killed. And if Rossiyskaya Gazeta does not publish, then government documents do not enter into force?
                1. K9_SWAT
                  K9_SWAT 3 December 2017 18: 58 New
                  +1
                  Exactly! Read the Constitution of the Russian Federation Art. 5 point 3
                  "Laws are subject to official publication. Unpublished laws do not apply. Any normative legal acts affecting the rights, freedoms and duties of a person and citizen cannot be applied if they are not published officially for the public."

                  FZ-5 of 1994 "ON THE ORDER OF PUBLICATION AND ENTRY INTO FORCE
                  FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS, FEDERAL
                  LAWS, ACTS CHAMBER OF THE FEDERAL ASSEMBLY "
                  Article 4. The official publication of the federal constitutional law, federal law, act of the chamber of the Federal Assembly shall be considered the first publication of its full text in the Parliamentary Gazeta, Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the Meeting of the Legislation of the Russian Federation or the first publication (publication) on the Official Internet portal of legal information "(www.pravo.gov.ru).
                  Federal constitutional laws, federal laws are sent for official publication by the President of the Russian Federation. Acts of the chambers of the Federal Assembly are sent for official publication by the chairman of the respective chamber or his deputy.
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            3. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 3 December 2017 05: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: japs
              Source - Rossiyskaya Gazeta? Is she really Russian?

              Do you propose to rename it to "Russian problem"?
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 2 December 2017 16: 56 New
            +8
            Well, it seems to me that seems like the truth. Too many strategic nuclear forces projects now. And the number of carriers and warheads under the contract is limited. Does it make sense in the BZHRK-HZ?
            1. av58
              av58 2 December 2017 20: 15 New
              +2
              The WG confirmed: https://rg.ru/2017/12/02/razrabotka-boevyh-zhelez
              nodorozhnyh-kompleksov-novogo-pokoleniia-prekrash
              chena.html
        3. sub307
          sub307 2 December 2017 19: 16 New
          +5
          There is an article in Rossiiskaya Gazeta, But “hearing from the officials is unlikely to wait. Everything will be almost quiet.”
      2. Tatyana
        Tatyana 2 December 2017 14: 47 New
        17
        The development of combat railway complexes (BZHRK) of the new generation was discontinued. The topic is closed, at least for the near future. This was reported by an informed representative of the military-industrial complex of Russia. The reason, presumably, is the lack of funding.
        Apparently, the Russian government’s pro-Western liberoid economist Kudrin tried to do this - that Russia is spending too much money on defense in front of TMV?
        It is less necessary to steal high-ranking officials in the Russian Federation - and money for the project will immediately be found!
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 2 December 2017 16: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Tatiana
          It is less necessary to steal high-ranking officials in the Russian Federation - and money for the project will immediately be found!

          Is this Petya Parashkin from his own experience?
        2. Waterfowl
          Waterfowl 2 December 2017 16: 40 New
          +2
          Maybe it’s not about money at all, but vulnerability to accidental circumstances, terrorists .....?
      3. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 2 December 2017 14: 48 New
        17
        maybe this is not the case? ... taking into account the existing container-based systems, does it make sense to spend money on this project? ..... the container is easier and cheaper .... and you can carry it not only by rail, but also on cars, and on parachodica ....
        1. atakan
          atakan 2 December 2017 14: 55 New
          +2
          it is easier to steal a container by special operations of a probable enemy.
          1. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka 2 December 2017 15: 06 New
            +8
            and not only saboteurs, but even ordinary household gouges can derail the train .... there are few examples of the wrong arrow, the truck at the crossing, and even the railroad tracks that were handed over to it?
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 2 December 2017 15: 23 New
              +9
              Sorry, don’t tell me how to get to the library .... how many km in Siberia from the railway to the nearest metal reception point?
              1. DanSabaka
                DanSabaka 2 December 2017 15: 48 New
                +5
                I’m unlikely to discover America by saying that the entire civilization in Siberia (including metal reception points) is concentrated along the railway .... it has so historically developed ....
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 2 December 2017 16: 00 New
                  +9
                  Quote: DanSabaka
                  . so historically ....

                  If you argue "historically", then there should not have been a trace from the Trans-Siberian Railway in the year of commercials of 1999 ...
                  1. DanSabaka
                    DanSabaka 2 December 2017 16: 04 New
                    +1
                    fortunately, a trace remained .....
                2. vredlo
                  vredlo 2 December 2017 17: 13 New
                  +7
                  it’s strange but apparently I’ll open America by saying that far from all of civilization in Siberia along the piece of iron we don’t have it though they plan to like it, but for example there is an airport so it's not really wild
                  1. ProkletyiPirat
                    ProkletyiPirat 2 December 2017 22: 06 New
                    +1
                    Quote: vredlo
                    but the airport, for example, is so not so wild

                    it means you are a civilian branch or gas industry workers or a military base, because for everything else you need a piece of iron.
            2. QWERTY
              QWERTY 2 December 2017 16: 11 New
              13
              Where are the examples of the “wrong way” arrows? The centralized arrow cannot be translated "wrong way." That you have seen enough movies about partisans. It is impossible to steal the rails on the hauls equipped with auto-lock "without a pale", because they are surrounded by a signal current. Just the traffic light switches to red in front of the site with the rail removed. Lord, everything in people is the 19th century in the head.
              1. DanSabaka
                DanSabaka 2 December 2017 16: 50 New
                0
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%
                D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D
                0%B6%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D
                1%81%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D
                0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8
                I understand that Vicki is not an authority, but the facts are translated here .... as you can see, there are more cases of gouging than sabotage ....
                1. QWERTY
                  QWERTY 2 December 2017 17: 03 New
                  +3
                  Where is there about the "wrong way" translated arrows? Or about stolen rails? He mastered half - I did not see a single similar case ....
              2. 406ppm2gv
                406ppm2gv 2 December 2017 23: 01 New
                0
                QWERTY[b] [/ b] one at least said almost correctly, but here some see 3, 2 diesel locomotives. it is a locomotive with 3 sections or 2.
            3. KaPToC
              KaPToC 2 December 2017 20: 50 New
              0
              Quote: DanSabaka
              a truck at the crossroads and even rails handed over to recycled?

              I do not think that the lettering will be moving at top speed.
        2. dorz
          dorz 2 December 2017 16: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: DanSabaka
          maybe this is not the case? ... taking into account the existing container-based systems, does it make sense to spend money on this project? ..... the container is easier and cheaper .... and you can carry it not only by rail, but also on cars, and on parachodica ....

          The reason may be a reduction in the military budget of 2017-20 by about 8%
        3. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 2 December 2017 18: 13 New
          +6
          Intercontinental ballistic container? Do not confuse anything? What is the reaction time for BZHRK and Caliber?
          When time P came, when it became known that the sworn friend massively or not massively started letting the Minutemans, MX, Tomahawks and what else was left there, everything that was available was launched in response. And after half an hour, the enemy must understand that he got excited. And when will Caliber reach? And will it fly?
          1. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka 3 December 2017 07: 44 New
            0
            and no one talked about
            Intercontinental ballistic container?

            but “Caliber” and “Couriers” in indistinguishable from other containers can be delivered secretly to anywhere in the world, certainly for the firing range ... and these systems will cost less than the creation and operation of the BZHRK ... and ensure the secrecy of the placement easier....
        4. Grits
          Grits 3 December 2017 06: 38 New
          +1
          In a container, you can transport and launch, at best, a Club cruise missile. But not strategic at all.
          1. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka 3 December 2017 07: 47 New
            0
            why do we need a “strategic” one that is expensive in development and maintenance, if an operational-tactical (Caliber or Courier) can be delivered cheaply and quietly in a standard container to the firing range ....
      4. Primoos
        Primoos 2 December 2017 15: 00 New
        +6
        Quote: DEPARTMENT-M29
        Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!

        What, again banned? Satraps!
        1. DEPARTMENT-M29
          DEPARTMENT-M29 2 December 2017 15: 20 New
          10
          Quote: Primoos
          Quote: DEPARTMENT-M29
          Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!

          What, again banned? Satraps!

          They are carrots! laughing
      5. HEATHER
        HEATHER 2 December 2017 15: 41 New
        +8
        Mikhan-I want to howl! How many can. So many problems have been solved and what? Stalin’s time for power. VVP is in the receivers. Until he learns.
      6. Observer2014
        Observer2014 2 December 2017 15: 52 New
        12
        DEPARTMENT-M29 hi
        Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!
        What do you react so emotionally to? A colleague is only calm! Scythian bottom-based ICBMs. For placement at the bottom of inland ponds, will you be reassured? And you don’t have to spend money on guarding the train. Go find where in Russia the Skif are hidden. And the Skif is already in service repeat The tests took place at the end of June 2013. On November 21, 2017, Viktor Bondarev, the head of the Federation Council’s Defense and Security Committee, stated that “Skif bottom-based missiles are part of the Armed Forces of Russia. And you are cursing. Calm down. Everything is fine.
        1. DEPARTMENT-M29
          DEPARTMENT-M29 2 December 2017 16: 02 New
          +7
          Quote: Observer2014
          What do you react so emotionally to?

          They shoot accurately, I try to have time to express everything ..
          Quote: Observer2014
          Scythian bottom-based ICBMs. For placement at the bottom of inland ponds, will you be reassured?

          No ...! This is all not true ..
          Quote: Observer2014
          On November 21, 2017, Viktor Bondarev, the head of the Federation Council’s Defense and Security Committee, stated that “Skif bottom-based missiles are part of the Armed Forces of Russia. And you are cursing. Calm down. Everything is fine.

          This is all wrong ...! In the days of the USSR, yes it was ...
          And now Russia is different! Learning fast and without idiology
          We damn them will arrange a world revolution, it is not for nothing that they are now afraid of us, even more than the USSR! soldier
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 2 December 2017 16: 11 New
            +5
            The task of secrecy of being on combat duty of the Skif rocket is quite simple. The carrier boat comes under water to a given point and discards the container. No installation work is required as the container simply lays on the bottom. Upon receipt of a start command due to partial purging, the container acquires the quality of a tumbler toy, that is, it occupies an upright position. After that, the purge continues, and the container begins to pop up. It is believed that a rocket is ejected from a container using a solid-fuel accelerator at a depth of 50 meters. That is, how this happens on submarines.

            However, the underwater launch of missiles from submarines has the only goal - not to find their location on ascent. "Skiff" is a one-time weapon, so it is more rational to use a surface launch.

            What else are the advantages of a bottom-based missile? In cheapness. That is, the operation of the “Skiff”, after putting it on combat duty, is absolutely free
        2. tlauicol
          tlauicol 2 December 2017 16: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Observer2014
          DEPARTMENT-M29 hi
          Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!
          What do you react so emotionally to? A colleague is only calm! Scythian bottom-based ICBMs. For placement at the bottom of inland ponds, will you be reassured? And you don’t have to spend money on guarding the train. Go find where in Russia the Skif are hidden. And the Skif is already in service repeat The tests took place at the end of June 2013. On November 21, 2017, Viktor Bondarev, the head of the Federation Council’s Defense and Security Committee, stated that “Skif bottom-based missiles are part of the Armed Forces of Russia. And you are cursing. Calm down. Everything is fine.

          Yeah, only when Bondarev himself was questioned about Scythian, Sarmatian and Zircon "in arms", he answered (quote): "No, of course!"
      7. Chestnut
        Chestnut 2 December 2017 16: 25 New
        16
        Russia lived off the achievements and the strength of the Soviet Union.
        But the backlog is not eternal, his century is drawing to a close, and in the near future we risk shaking the heedlessness and lack of ambition of our leadership and people.
        There are no manufactures, and there are no productions, there is no economy, good salaries, no good salaries, people live in loans from the living banks, which suk and select apartments at a price of 2000000 for a debt of 50000 rubles, you need banks and credit sharash make bulldozers, there’s no life from them, worse than slot machines.
        If you live in credit slavery, you live in an atmosphere of stress, and how to think about creating a family in such an environment, people have one child at best, this is a funeral march for the country to keep demography at yesterday's level, there must be two children in one family!
        We will die out as Lithuania and Latvia.

        There is not only industrial progress, we are a country of Papuans, there are no research centers, there is no science, there is no electronics, there are no pharmaceutical developments, of course not literally not, but compared to China, America, a drop in the bucket.
        But we are all polite, with Europeans, Americans, Chinese, CIS countries, they all live at our expense, we help, and we live in shit.
        When will we have an ambitious and frostbitten leader who will send all these partners in three letters ?!
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 2 December 2017 17: 42 New
          +8
          Quote: Chestnut
          When will we have an ambitious and frostbitten leader who will send all these partners in three letters ?!

          First, he will have to send all the privatizers, otherwise they will shoot him in the back.
        2. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 2 December 2017 17: 50 New
          +7
          but we defeated everyone in Syria, our Crimea, and the Olympic Games and the World Cup in football ... Gasoline will soon be like cognac, but we have not seen gas in Russia in the outback ...
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 2 December 2017 19: 35 New
            +7
            and gas in Russia in the outback and did not see ... And we don’t need it here. Explode and burn from gas in your own cities. We have firewood.
        3. hrych
          hrych 2 December 2017 19: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Chestnut
          Russia lived off the achievements and the strength of the Soviet Union.

          100 Yars, about fifty Clubs and a bunch of Iskander with Caliber you are not satisfied laughing
          Quote: Chestnut
          We will die out as Lithuania and Latvia.

          You have the flag of Germany, so I agree laughing
          Quote: Chestnut
          we are the country of the Papuans

          I do not agree, there are many refugees in Germany, but not so much ...
          Quote: Chestnut
          When will we have an ambitious and frostbitten leader who will send all these partners in three letters ?!

          I don’t know, but we already have one
        4. KaPToC
          KaPToC 2 December 2017 20: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Chestnut
          There are no manufactures, and there are no manufactures, there is no economy, good salaries, no good salaries, people live in loans from living banks, which suk and select apartments at a price

          This is the fascist’s dream of a weak USSR, which is easy to conquer.
        5. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 3 December 2017 05: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Chestnut
          to keep demography at yesterday's level, there must be two children in one family!

          10 families = 25 children ... 2-3 (!) Children.
        6. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 3 December 2017 07: 26 New
          +2
          In reality, such a leader can only appear on the wreckage of the existing system! How right is L.N. Gumilev in the statement, "When personal ambitions become higher than the interest of the nation, such a community is doomed to self-destruction," to which we are confidently approaching.
      8. weksha50
        weksha50 2 December 2017 16: 46 New
        +8
        Quote: DEPARTMENT-M29
        Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!



        Vital ... I have repeatedly stuttered at VO that the revival of the BZHRK in the current economic, organizational and managerial conditions is almost impossible ... This is money thrown into the air ... And this concerns not the complexes, missiles, equipment and personnel from among the rocket men, signalmen, techies ...
        The main problem is to link the organizational actions of the BZHRK with the "national economic" mechanism of the Russian Railways ... Link the requirements of the Russian Railways and the requirements for the replacement of rocket launchers on the database, which includes the drivers ... And this is such a problem that my mother is not distressed !! ! It was even solved for several years with the almost command-administrative style of the Soviet leadership ... If anyone does not know, then the engineer can only maintain a certain number of hours and only along the route to which he has access ... In the conditions of the BZHRK, combine THESE requirements of Russian Railways with the requirements for carrying the database - it is extremely difficult ...
        Well, such a delicate question ... And where to get experienced drivers? In Soviet times, the only option they could attract was housing ... And now, what ???
        Well, the question of import substitution ... What is the difference - there are no GTUs of their own in corvette frigates ... But do we have our own powerful diesel locomotives? Namely - OWN, completely ???
        In general, most likely, they calmed down from the dodging, sat, thought, and - decided ...
        As for the problems of railway-traction, I hope Amurets enlighten us ... So that I would not be unfounded ... hi
        PS Although, frankly, it’s a pity ... I hope someday - BZHRK will be reborn ... in a new form, taking into account past mistakes ...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 3 December 2017 00: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: weksha50
          As for the problems of railway-traction, I hope Amurets enlighten us ... So that I would not be unfounded ...

          Honestly. There is no desire to shake the air for nothing. Veksha50 is right, it is the organizational mechanisms of the Ministry of Railways and the Ministry of War that have always been incompatible. We now have the same problems as the Americans with their “Pismaker”. Private Railways. And at what penny will the strengthening of the paths go, who will pay for all these "innovations"? And then, for some reason, everyone forgets that the BZHRK is giving itself away. At least, “Molodets” showed itself by heating the axleboxes and going on the air when checking the railway radio communication and using the PONAB devices. In China, BRZHK do not go on the path of general use, in fact, these are mobile launchers in certain areas of basing. That's what you need to look soberly.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 3 December 2017 00: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: Amurets
            Honestly. There is no desire to shake the air for nothing. Veksha50 is right, it is the organizational mechanisms of the Ministry of Railways and the Ministry of Defense that have always been incompatible

            Under the Soviet economy, everything was combined.
            Quote: Amurets
            At least, “Molodets” showed itself by heating the axleboxes and going on the air when checking the railway radio communication and using the PONAB devices.

            Dear Colleague! hi Technologies from the time of “Molodets” have gone so far ahead, here Colleague Veresk is very sad about the “cut” of his native division, as well as many others, but he is 1000 times right.
            but you must admit that it’s much more difficult to attack MBZHRK than a “hospital”, especially since it can be taken out to the distance most suitable for defeating the enemy, for example, Unu. So, just in case)))))
            Quote: Amurets
            That's what you need to look soberly.

            That's what we need to look soberly at our modern capabilities, in all formats. Hello to Jeke! hi
            Zy. And you accidentally didn’t serve together with Igor Sussky?
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 3 December 2017 02: 33 New
              +3
              Quote: Stroporez
              Zy. And you accidentally didn’t serve together with Igor Sussky?

              No. I personally do not know him. I look at the problems of BZHRK from all sides. Yes, mobility is a good thing, but unlike a ground mobile missile system, the BZHRK is tied to rails. And you need to know the history of armored trains and railway artillery when, after destroying the tracks, the equipment was withdrawn from combat use, and then destroyed, locked on stage. And hunting will not go for the BZHRK, but the transport infrastructure will be destroyed. An example of the Second World War. "Rail war." And when the load on the rails is 21-23 tons / axle, not every train will survive this train, but it will be very difficult to mean and bring it out.
          2. prapor55
            prapor55 21 June 2018 01: 53 New
            0
            The reason for the heating of the axleboxes was decided by raising the blinds with DTSniki at most from the second time.
      9. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 2 December 2017 20: 38 New
        +2
        Maybe there are no corny specialists and capacities. Or they have overshadowed other, more vital projects.
      10. Glory1974
        Glory1974 2 December 2017 21: 50 New
        +1
        Looks like they pressed us hard.

        May be. But then where are the return moves in our direction?
        Meanwhile, in one of the Higher School of Higher Education, the training of cadets on the "rocket train" continues.
      11. Zubr
        Zubr 2 December 2017 23: 07 New
        +1
        Do not boil and do not talk too much in emotions. In the gene. headquarters Shoigu fools does not hold. If you decide, then this is not necessary. So we are ahead of time, and we have more weighty arguments. Everything is fine, we are waiting for surprises. soldier
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 2 December 2017 14: 43 New
      +7
      The sad news, however, striped joyfully rubbing their filthy little hands, but I still want to believe the stuffing. what
      1. DEPARTMENT-M29
        DEPARTMENT-M29 2 December 2017 14: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: vovanpain
        The sad news, however, striped joyfully rubbing their filthy little hands, but I still want to believe the stuffing. what

        And are you Volodya too happy? Afraid, I understand you .. hehe
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 2 December 2017 15: 45 New
          +5
          Meehan, hmm .... How many fingers do you see? .....
          1. DEPARTMENT-M29
            DEPARTMENT-M29 2 December 2017 16: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: sabakina
            Meehan, hmm .... How many fingers do you see? .....

            I’m waiting for you to get banned and go to sleep .. hehe he wants to eat creepy, but not!
            I'm tired of something, but I'm holding on to men ..
      2. 210ox
        210ox 2 December 2017 15: 12 New
        +6
        Vladimir hi I’m what I think .. There are things that not everyone should know. Yes and no one has canceled desu. Although there are systems that are already in service and which, if they do not surpass Barguzin in efficiency, are quite at its level. "" Skiff eg..
        Quote: vovanpain
        The sad news, however, striped joyfully rubbing their filthy little hands, but I still want to believe the stuffing. what
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 2 December 2017 15: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Yes, and no one has yet canceled the desu.

          And another moment: "stopped" can also mean "completed" .... yes There is no point in scattering the ashes, we will see.
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 2 December 2017 15: 43 New
            +2
            "terminated" Alas, the abbreviation speaks for itself.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 2 December 2017 15: 47 New
              +2
              Dimych, how to say ...
              - Do you want some tea?
              - No, I guess ...
              1. HEATHER
                HEATHER 2 December 2017 16: 19 New
                +1
                - Do you want some tea? No, Slava. An omul with potatoes for vodka. And look at Baikal sitting on a hummock.
        2. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 2 December 2017 15: 30 New
          +4
          Gentlemen! hi There is no reason for shaking the nervous system ..... Well, there will be ....
          All the same, we will not see its application, but for the evaporation of the planet and the existing ... enough for the eyes ....
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 2 December 2017 15: 45 New
            +2
            All the same, we will not see its application Yes, okay, Solomon! Start-see. Answer-how to say. Here-who-whom. Main thing-to be in time first. And I’m optimistic, I believe! But I remain of my opinion. Wet moss cannot be ignited. Only one thing. How- ?
        3. vovanpain
          vovanpain 2 December 2017 15: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          I’m what I think .. There are things that not everyone should know. Yes and no one canceled the desu

          Hello Be Dmitry drinks hi I don’t argue everything, because the most effective BZHRK contraption was at one time, mattresses chased them all over the Trans-Siberian Railway and simply described themselves with happiness when they were sent to the scrap for humpbacked Christmas tree. requestWe will believe in the best.
          Quote: 210ox
          Scythian "for example.

          “Skif” is a project “Status 6” - launch from the depths of the sea. drinks hi
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 2 December 2017 21: 52 New
            0
            just described with happiness when the humpbacked with a Christmas tree sent them to the scrap.

            I'm afraid to seem intrusive, but a follower sent them to the scrap. And those about whom you write, just put on a joke.
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 2 December 2017 15: 28 New
        +4
        Vova hi and I don’t understand anything! What the hell is OCD when the vigorous train stands in its natural form? What is the problem? Shove a smaller rocket into an old wagon / container?
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 2 December 2017 15: 38 New
          +4
          What the hell is OCD when the vigorous train stands in its natural form? What is the problem?

          And the problem, Glory, is in our gouging, it is possible that, if the need arises, the composition will not be driven into a dead end by mistake. You don’t put a watchman on each hand - there’s not enough soldiers in the army ....
          In this context, I recalled the words of J. Verne: "... a force lurking in the depths of the ocean .."
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 2 December 2017 15: 51 New
            +4
            Kostya, the ocean is good, especially, as far as I know, we explored it less than the nearest space. And about gouging on the tracks .... Almost every day in the morning news about major accidents with victims, then with a minibus, then with a bus .... What is happening?
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 2 December 2017 16: 03 New
              +5
              And look who is sitting behind the wheel ....
              And on the railway tracks, whoever stands alone ........ from TurkVO ....
              Glory, these "creatures" are everywhere. We have no doctors left in the city - these alone .... from there ...
              1. weksha50
                weksha50 2 December 2017 16: 57 New
                +4
                Quote: Solomon Kane
                And look who is sitting behind the wheel ....
                And on the railway tracks, whoever stands alone ........ from TurkVO ....


                Guys, I’m trying to explain everything about the difficulties with the BZHRK ... I will repeat again: the difficulties are not with the train-equipment-rocket and the personnel-rockets ... The main difficulties are just interfacing with the requirements of Russian Railways and the selection of experienced drivers. .. For some reason, no one even stutters about this ...

                Look, Mordvin humanly also explains ... For Russian Railways - BZHRK is a headache, and even what ... hi
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 December 2017 16: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: sabakina
          What's the problem?

          And for BZHRKi also mathematicians, calculators need aerobatics. This is not a bullet from one point, or even from a mobile Topol, Which has + - 30 km. Try it, find it. And the order on the Russian Railways will not hurt, otherwise this BZHRK is a headache for them.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2017 15: 05 New
      +8
      Officials will not say this, well, at least until the election .. But there really is no money .. this elite can only saw and know its children in warm places ..
      Quote: Primoos
      Another bastard? Someone somewhere told someone?
    4. starogil
      starogil 2 December 2017 15: 32 New
      +3
      Last night, Garant and Trump, on the phone, talked for an hour and a half ....
    5. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 2 December 2017 15: 46 New
      +2
      "... This was reported by an informed representative of the military-industrial complex of Russia ..."

      Who, where, when, to whom and under what circumstances reported? Was there an official conference or drunk in a bath with girls? I'd love to know about this informed representative.
      And so - Stanislavsky recalls with his classic phrase.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 2 December 2017 16: 08 New
      +2
      What kind of Barguzin is it? Now it’s more important to play the World Cup. lol
    7. tol100v
      tol100v 2 December 2017 16: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Primoos
      Someone somewhere told someone?

      Someone drives the disinformation of pure water, and we will vigorously discuss it Saturday night!
    8. Kent0001
      Kent0001 2 December 2017 17: 38 New
      +1
      What if it’s true. Then this is pure wrecking. Cool. We will see.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 3 December 2017 05: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Kent0001
        We will see.

        And what? On the week of Fridays there may be as many 7 ....
    9. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 2 December 2017 17: 58 New
      0
      So soon Barguzin will go to the test.
  2. Grits
    Grits 2 December 2017 14: 42 New
    +2
    Are we rolling back again?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2017 15: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: Gritsa
      Are we rolling back again?

      Forward to the 90s
    2. Waterfowl
      Waterfowl 2 December 2017 16: 54 New
      0
      No, just go!
      A nuclear train cruising through the vastness of Russia is a rollback. A completely different approach is needed.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 2 December 2017 18: 06 New
        +6
        Quote: Waterfowl
        No, just go!
        A nuclear train cruising through the vastness of Russia is a rollback. A completely different approach is needed.

        Another approach? Easy! Nuclear train, cruising the open spaces of the United States - how? True, drivers with a 4th level of English are needed, but if pilots from Boeing and others from Aeroflot are retrained as diesel locomotives, then this problem is solved! laughing drinks
      2. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 2 December 2017 20: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Waterfowl

        0
        Waterfowl Today, 16:54 ↑ New
        No, just go!
        A nuclear train cruising through the vastness of Russia is a rollback.

        But what do you think of the next step?
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 3 December 2017 05: 57 New
        +1
        Oh yes! Development of a method for curving the space-time continuum!
        Quote: Waterfowl
        A completely different approach is needed.
  3. 1331M
    1331M 2 December 2017 14: 42 New
    11
    And so? Okay, at one time they betrayed and sold everything that is possible and impossible, but now what prevents to revive this business ..? After all, Putin and Shoigu are beloved and immaculate in power ..? No way, the mattresses are to blame again with the Jews .........
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 December 2017 14: 48 New
      +6
      Quote: 1331M
      And so? Okay, at one time they betrayed and sold everything that is possible and impossible, but now what prevents to revive this business ..? After all, Putin and Shoigu are beloved and immaculate in power ..? No way, the mattresses are to blame again .........

      Naturally mattresses, and who else, after all, "pressed" for sure, but to protect their own pockets enough of what is available. Why think about an inevitable answer, because the elections are just around the corner, it’s unlikely that United Russia will win with its candidates. Why invest if there is no profit?
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 2 December 2017 14: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: 1331M
      and mattresses are to blame again with the Jews .........
      Reply Quote

      Alex wrote above, they can only joyfully rub their bloody pens, we ourselves will destroy. And the whole thing is in finances, or rather in their lack. request
  4. Evil 55
    Evil 55 2 December 2017 14: 43 New
    +6
    Well, this is obvious lies .. The most effective solution in Russian conditions cannot be so mediocre buried ..
    1. freejack
      freejack 2 December 2017 15: 46 New
      0
      I also agree that this is a fake stuffing ... Maybe the guarantor needs to temporarily relieve pressure on the military industrial complex of mattresses, Trampushka asked me so much yesterday ... The US economy cannot bear it all ... laughing

      Z.Y. Maybe "barguzin" was exchanged for the 404th territory ???))) lol
  5. HEATHER
    HEATHER 2 December 2017 14: 43 New
    11
    Poor "Barguzin" And so they shouted ... The stylet is far from the topic. Excuse me all. It's just bad. So we parted. Gorko. We won’t get used to it right away.
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 December 2017 14: 59 New
      14
      When I was scribbling my 36th division, the whole world was thrilled! 24 glasses and 2 BZHRK. The most powerful division in the World’s combat potential. Where is it now? By-bye. Almost dead town has remained. Will you find the video yourself or throw it off?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 2 December 2017 15: 07 New
        +8
        Quote: VERESK
        When I was scribbling my 36th division, the whole world was thrilled! 36 glasses and 2 BZHRK. The most powerful division in the World’s combat potential. Where is it now? By-bye. Almost dead town has remained. Will you find the video yourself or throw it off?

        How many such towns across the country? It is necessary to clearly understand in what period all these "follies" took place and who received the gesheft from this rider.
        1. HEATHER
          HEATHER 2 December 2017 15: 29 New
          +6
          How many such towns across the country? I counted. There is nothing to do. 1127. But Cedar-One.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 2 December 2017 15: 39 New
            +7
            Quote: VERESK
            I counted. There is nothing to do. 1127.
            Well this is how much folk money down the drain ?!
            And the guilty again Nem ....
            Quote: VERESK
            . But-Cedar-One.

            It is clear that the division was unique.
            1. HEATHER
              HEATHER 2 December 2017 15: 56 New
              +5
              That's it, Stroporez. There were, but it will not be anymore. They ruined the division.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 2 December 2017 16: 04 New
                +5
                Quote: VERESK
                They were, but they will no longer be. They ruined the division.

                It is interesting to listen to the opinion of General Sobolev Viktor Ivanovich.
      2. HEATHER
        HEATHER 2 December 2017 15: 36 New
        +4
        Krasnoyarsk-66. Killed Fates.
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 2 December 2017 15: 42 New
        +4
        Dimych, I had nothing to do with our missile division, but I lived / live in the same house as the former rocket launchers. And how we swore when we cut back !!!!!
        October 20, 1987 the management of the 10th missile division (Kostroma), the priority 153rd missile regiment of the BZHRK (15P961) under the command of Lieutenant Colonel V.Yu. Spiridonov (the first in the Strategic Missile Forces), units and divisions of support and maintenance of the division took up combat duty.
        February 27, 1988, for the courage and military valor shown during the fulfillment of the tasks of the Soviet Government, the 10th ball missile division was awarded the pennant of the USSR Minister of Defense.

        But in general, Dimych, I try to live by the principle of "Let's hope for the best, and the worst will come by itself."
        1. HEATHER
          HEATHER 2 December 2017 16: 00 New
          +4
          You know, Glory, all the garbage is that the black man signed this fucking agreement.
      4. weksha50
        weksha50 2 December 2017 17: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: VERESK
        Almost a dead town remained. Will you find the video yourself, or throw it off?


        And the 10th Guards? The same thing ... And not only them ...
        1. HEATHER
          HEATHER 2 December 2017 19: 15 New
          +2
          Aleisk, Familiar strongly.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 2 December 2017 21: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: VERESK
            Aleisk, Familiar strongly.


            Kostroma ... hi
    2. corporal
      corporal 2 December 2017 15: 15 New
      0
      Quote: VERESK
      So they parted. Gorko

      Can the dirt increase? At the expense of compensation, so to speak.
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 2 December 2017 15: 30 New
        +1
        Maybe. I'm not special in them.
  6. Smog
    Smog 2 December 2017 14: 43 New
    +1
    I really want it to be fake ..
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 December 2017 14: 47 New
      +6
      Alas. There is a confirmation of MO. I can’t drop it. While the page is closed for distribution. crying
      1. Smog
        Smog 2 December 2017 14: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: VERESK
        Alas, there is a confirmation of the MO.

        Then byak business! Yes ....., Kostroma-40, Romashka station. 5 km from ours.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 2 December 2017 15: 55 New
          +3
          Kostya, in 1992 I took a garden plot from the division .... 30th platform .... crying
          1. Smog
            Smog 2 December 2017 16: 02 New
            +6
            Quote: sabakina
            30th platform.

            I served for the 6th term. Our UPR was based there. But our company is more in the forests, in the swamps. I trampled half of the Kostroma province with kirzachi. And 6 km is 5 km before reaching 30 km from the road to Sudislavl. They have a Romashka station on the 30th and we have a Cornflower! Beautiful "flowers" stood there. Hello, Glory! soldier drinks
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 2 December 2017 16: 12 New
              +3
              Kostya! drinks I’m sitting right now and remembering why in the Soviet cartoon the station was called “Chamomile”, more precisely, “Romashkovo”? Maybe we warned them then. "Do not tear our flowers in the flowerbed! "How everything is interconnected in this world ... We are kind people, but our nuclear wagon is (I hope) on the siding.
              1. Smog
                Smog 2 December 2017 16: 22 New
                +2
                Quote: sabakina
                .We are kind people, but our nuclear wagon is (hopefully) on the siding.

                Yes, Herods were cut, aspen to them in one place, our nuclear car. And with this you see what they are doing. But as one acquaintance said, we experienced abundance, we will survive and perestroika. So let's hope for the best. More trains with “presents” will run across the vast expanses of our vast country (even I was drawn to a high calm, it’s not good. There will be a booze and a mess laughing )
                Well, Slav, so to speak, for the positive ....
                .
    2. agfa
      agfa 2 December 2017 14: 58 New
      +4
      Of course fake! Especially after Bondarev’s statement on SCIF bottom ballistic missiles. State Department and Pentagon trolling 89 lvl. Carry out OCD and put into service different things. OCD can be frozen if a high level decision is made about another “unexpected” direction of funds. For example, "Skiff." But it has already been developed and passed the tests. The issue of introducing strategic arms treaties has not yet been raised. So one direction is well-established and ready for production. There is no political decision. We develop the following - Barguzin and Zircon grinding. The usual regular SDI or status-6 so that the mattresses do not relax and begin to believe in their sanctions. Like the statement the other day about a continuous radar field around the country. Wow! But this is a promise to the West and only in the second turn is a balm for the soul of a patriot-Russian citizen. Everything will be fine. Smile gentlemen - smile!
      1. michell
        michell 2 December 2017 16: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: agfa
        Of course fake!

        For those who have a little understanding of the processes of budget financing - a pure fake. The cessation of development is, first of all, the cessation of financing for this development. Financing is not a quick process, financial plans are developed for a minimum of a year, and therefore, since there was no clear information about the termination of the aforementioned process - this news is the dumping of feces on the fan hi
  7. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 2 December 2017 14: 44 New
    +3
    If it's true, I'm shocked. soldier
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 December 2017 14: 48 New
      +3
      Eh! So they parted. It’s hard to imagine. So they hoped. Sucks.
  8. maiman61
    maiman61 2 December 2017 14: 49 New
    0
    It can’t be! Enemy at the gate, nothing to count! Blood is more expensive.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 December 2017 14: 52 New
      +9
      Quote: maiman61
      Enemy at the gate, nothing to count! Blood is more expensive.

      Hmm .. if the elite looks to the West, the kids live there, the villas have it, then they will drink blood from us, but they don’t need everything else ..
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 December 2017 19: 33 New
        +1
        And here is your elite and defense order?
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 3 December 2017 09: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          your elite

          Is your elite, or do you live in the USA?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 December 2017 10: 25 New
            +1
            We have our own elite - but I do not consider these elites.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 3 December 2017 14: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              We have our own elite

              This elite is what I have said, and now it is that, in the event of their overwhelming influence in the highest echelons of power, it will lead the country to defeat, can you learn this?
              Quote: Vadim237
              We have our own elite - but I do not consider these elites.

              Who exactly?
              Do you think Karimov is the elite?
    2. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 December 2017 15: 33 New
      +3
      Blood is more expensive. You are right. Unfortunately.
  9. Egorovich
    Egorovich 2 December 2017 14: 54 New
    +6
    An official usually speaks or makes a message about such things, but not someone who is an informed representative. Complete nonsense. Sensation sucked from a finger.
  10. aries2200
    aries2200 2 December 2017 14: 59 New
    0
    probably soon Ukraine will become an honor of russia and now they have stopped ... reinventing the wheel.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 2 December 2017 20: 48 New
      0
      Quote: aries2200
      probably soon Ukraine will become an honor of russia

      Why on earth?
  11. razved
    razved 2 December 2017 15: 08 New
    +1
    If this is true, then the news, to put it mildly, is the best. However, I think that new statements and publications should follow in the near future on this topic.
    1. razved
      razved 2 December 2017 15: 37 New
      +1
      I apologize, the particle was NOT printed. It should have been like this: If this is true, then the news, to put it mildly, is NOT the best.[i] [/ i]
  12. Lenivets2
    Lenivets2 2 December 2017 15: 09 New
    +2
    What is: "an informed representative of the military-industrial complex of Russia"?
    And if "the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, which is developing a new BZHRK, has not yet officially confirmed the information on the termination of work on Barguzin," then what is this pseudo-informational vyser about? what
    1. zoknyay82
      zoknyay82 2 December 2017 15: 59 New
      +3
      Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering will write to you in PM, or by mail! smile
      1. Lenivets2
        Lenivets2 2 December 2017 17: 54 New
        +2
        Are all official statements made through my mail?
        Did not know. wassat
        Thank you for the information.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 December 2017 19: 37 New
      +1
      This institute of heat engineering has already been managed by Bulava - it was seen beforehand, at the R&D stage, that he and Barguzin were being managed - it turns out that the guys are monitoring the effective expenditure of funds in the military-industrial complex.
      1. Lenivets2
        Lenivets2 2 December 2017 20: 51 New
        +2
        And here is the institute of heat engineering, what do they have to do with the mythical "informed representative of the Russian military-industrial complex"?

        "This institute of heat engineering has already managed with a mace" - this missile is not there and all successful launches are fictitious or what?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 December 2017 22: 47 New
          +1
          Just instead of the Mace they will make a new missile, and with a reliability of 50 to 50 as with the Mace - such a missile is not needed.
          1. Lenivets2
            Lenivets2 2 December 2017 23: 02 New
            +2
            Of the last 16 launches, only one was unsuccessful, so why is reliability 50 to 50?
    3. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 2 December 2017 20: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Lenivets2
      What is: "an informed representative of the military-industrial complex of Russia"?

      Ugly spy! laughing
      1. Lenivets2
        Lenivets2 2 December 2017 21: 08 New
        +2
        "Ugly spy!" choyt? lol
        The concept of an “informed representative of the Russian defense industry” is so vague that it includes tens of millions of Russian residents.
        Maybe this is a toilet cleaner in one of the backward factories that are part of the concern of one of the defense industry enterprises.
  13. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 2 December 2017 15: 14 New
    +8
    I immediately reacted to “Barguzin” really and without any optimism. Even when they threw me his beautiful name here, I was modestly silent, because I knew that time would only judge. There are a number of “projects” that gobble up so much. Put the news in style “Status-6” is easy and pleasant, but you have to keep the answer.
  14. Mestny
    Mestny 2 December 2017 15: 15 New
    +1
    Ага.
    And here’s another piece of news: “The construction of the Death Star combat space platform has been temporarily suspended,” an informed representative of the Russian military-industrial complex said.
    reports feykomet IA
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 December 2017 15: 23 New
    0
    We kind of heard about Kurganets and about the underwater missile carrier ...
    So we do not believe.
  16. My doctor
    My doctor 2 December 2017 15: 27 New
    0
    A question for connoisseurs. With what accuracy can you track the composition of the train, the history of the train, the name and origin of the cargo, tracking the cargo?
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 December 2017 17: 56 New
      0
      Quote: MyVrach
      A question for connoisseurs. With what accuracy can you track the composition of the train, the history of the train, the name and origin of the cargo, tracking the cargo?

      If you believe the enemy by his companions, then in principle it is possible by radiation, but this is practically not possible due to the length of our railways.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 2 December 2017 18: 17 New
      +4
      In the 90s, it seemed, they were tracking tanks with cognac spirit in the interests of businessmen from Moldova to the Urals - so as not to be taken away, not replaced. "So shtaaa" (c)
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 2 December 2017 21: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Doliva63
        In the 90s, it seemed, they traded tanks with cognac spirit in the interests of merchants from Moldova to the Urals

        Then there was still the integrity of the USSR, and tanks were carried out normally, LOVD officers had information from the station duty officer about the presence of a special car or several.
  17. loginovich
    loginovich 2 December 2017 15: 27 New
    +1
    Another victory! Words are not only emotions.
  18. Odysseus
    Odysseus 2 December 2017 15: 28 New
    +9
    Revival of Barguzin was originally a purely PR project for the electorate.
    In order to really revive it, in addition to restoring production and funds, it was necessary to remove all private companies from the railway road and remove restrictions on the movement of the BZHRK (as before 1991).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 December 2017 00: 50 New
      +1
      The defense order began to optimize, we have too many different complexes in the Strategic Missile Forces and the creation of another one does not make sense - before, the BRC had an advantage - invisibility, now this advantage is not, so they refused. Mine launchers are more attractive, much more protected from saboteurs, aircraft and a nuclear explosion.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 3 December 2017 01: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        The defense order has started optimization, we have too many different complexes in the Strategic Missile Forces

        Are you sure that this necessary sufficiency is enough?
        Quote: Vadim237
        Earlier, the DBC had an advantage - invisibility, but now this advantage is not, so they refused.

        Oo-oo-oo!
        Quote: Vadim237
        Mine launchers are more attractive, much more protected from saboteurs, aircraft and a nuclear explosion.

        This is if you do not take into account that all the "hospitals" have long been known to the "partners", Kozelsk already show on the central district ...., and the "Ihnensky" missile defense is also not a game. What to suppress? We don’t have “Oka”, Escanders in Kaliningrad? Well so there, on that side, also not boobies sit ....
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 December 2017 01: 25 New
          +2
          The Ikhna missile defense will not be able to intercept these ICBMs, since the flight program on our missiles was changed to have a steeper ballistic trajectory, the SM 3 missiles will have only 130 seconds to intercept the missile, during this time the ICBM will be on the DOE, and after 30 seconds it will reach altitude 1000 kilometers, these interceptor missiles have a range of only 700 kilometers and a height of 500 kilometers They will not reach most of our launchers, and those ICBMs located in the European part of Russia will have time to take off.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 3 December 2017 01: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        Earlier, the DBC had an advantage - invisibility, but now this advantage is not,

        Why so?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 December 2017 01: 32 New
          +2
          In view of more advanced tracking and intelligence systems.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 3 December 2017 02: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            In view of more advanced tracking and intelligence systems.

            You can tell how distinguish BZHRK from a conventional train? The destruction of the BZHRK was an indispensable condition in START-2. The last “Molodets” made its last flight at the beginning of the 2000s, searched for a video, didn’t find it, I remember it was shown on NTV.
  19. askort154
    askort154 2 December 2017 15: 34 New
    0
    I do not think so. Rather, they decided to freeze this topic for the media. And they will discuss where, when and from which station a car similar to the Barguzin departed. We cannot refuse now what the USA was most afraid of under the USSR. "Barguzin" is our ground "aircraft carrier", or rather - "Carriage carriers". yes
  20. NKVD
    NKVD 2 December 2017 15: 37 New
    +5
    To blame the USSR, the Democrats love everything, but how to create something so soon there is no money. And where did you divide it?
  21. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 2 December 2017 15: 38 New
    +6
    No question! Rather than spend on defense, the government is better off supporting US funding. And they hold Russia for this money, as for a causal place.
    Betrayal in all the highest echelons of power.
    For them, 15 million extra Russians in Russia (exactly as many as disenfranchised guest workers are invited).
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 2 December 2017 21: 05 New
      0
      Quote: pafegosoff
      There is no bazaar!

      Well, not a market.
  22. Neputin
    Neputin 2 December 2017 15: 38 New
    +6
    I propose to sell the rights to host World Cup 18 in England, to remove the gesheft from them. and plus savings from not holding. It will be possible not only that the BZHRK - a "death star" to develop and put into service
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 December 2017 19: 40 New
      +1
      The 2018 World Cup can bring Russia, from one hundred, to two trillion rubles of profit.
  23. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 15: 50 New
    0
    We are waiting for official statements. So far, little information for analysis.
  24. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 2 December 2017 15: 53 New
    +2
    Well, thank God! Partners will have less worries! They clicked on the thieving kremlins on the nose, and they paws right up - the breed is like that. They poke, poke like shitty cats in the shit with their nose, and they all whine about the desire to be friends. It’s a shame for the Power ....
  25. sir_obs
    sir_obs 2 December 2017 15: 57 New
    +1
    Another snowstorm
  26. fif21
    fif21 2 December 2017 15: 58 New
    +3
    The commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces was replaced. The Barguzin project was closed. And his charm was that it was not known where the launch would come from. So think what you want. recourse
  27. Machete
    Machete 2 December 2017 16: 00 New
    +1
    Baba Masha-cleaner heard something and posted on instagram?
  28. Bronevick
    Bronevick 2 December 2017 16: 01 New
    +1
    This is HIT. Apparently with the West they made concessions. Nuclear weapons are a control lever.
  29. HEATHER
    HEATHER 2 December 2017 16: 06 New
    +3
    MY DIVISION. WHO SHOULD BE INTERESTED-BEAT IN Yandex "Krasnoyarsk-66. 97ESHESTERKA". My squadron is not in the internet. We were stolen in 23. Some of the helicopters went to Uzhur, the couple went to Kansk. The rest were cut. It was like a knife three cars. They were only XNUMX years old.
  30. Radikal
    Radikal 2 December 2017 16: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: DEPARTMENT-M29
    Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!

    yes Probably...!
  31. shans2
    shans2 2 December 2017 16: 06 New
    0
    it seems half the bots, screams and groans begin, usually this is the purpose of the throw-in, Tantrums heaps of sorosklintoids deliver, through foreign NGOs, to which the Russian newspaper refers, constant injections, through RBC or Kommersant this time hesitated)
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 2 December 2017 19: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: shans2
      here it seems half the bots, screams and groans begin, usually this is the purpose of throwing in, Tantrums deliver a bunch of sorosklintoids, through foreign NGOs, to which the Russian newspaper refers, constant stuffing, through RBC or Kommersant this time hesitated)

      Based on your logic, the Government of the Russian Federation, of which the official newspaper is Rossiyskaya Gazeta, is also an NGO.
      Or maybe a "foreign agent" ?! what
      / sarcasm /
  32. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 2 December 2017 16: 17 New
    0
    There is not even a link to the source! Who was informed by an informed representative of the defense industry? Who launched this news? Where does the state secret begin?
  33. Satum
    Satum 2 December 2017 16: 17 New
    +1
    The Scythian rocket was launched and the train may have become irrelevant. Or whatever else. Do not forget, the train is a cost and we live in the modern world and do not know what the military did.
  34. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 2 December 2017 16: 33 New
    +1
    do you believe this duck? no names or links, so, you throw a bone for srach and you rejoice
    1. askort154
      askort154 2 December 2017 16: 40 New
      0
      Not a Russian liberoid .... Do you believe this duck? ......


      good
  35. Nemesis
    Nemesis 2 December 2017 16: 34 New
    +3
    If this is really so, then this is the Kremlin’s stupid thing. You need to save money on gifts to Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, Abramovich’s and Chubais’s party, and not on the army and people in Russia
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 2 December 2017 16: 42 New
      0
      and where does Abramovich and the state budget?
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 2 December 2017 16: 44 New
        +4
        Despite the fact that it is necessary to nationalize the extraction of natural resources in the Russian Federation, and not squander budget revenues for festivities of all foreigners with Russophobia, such as Sobchak and the company ...
        1. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 2 December 2017 17: 42 New
          0
          but what's the matter, create a party, raspiarte, put it into the Duma at the elections, so that there is a majority and voila ... the law on nationalization and so on ... and so you just shake the air, sitting on the couch and drinking beer-gulls
  36. complete zero
    complete zero 2 December 2017 16: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    The development of combat railway complexes (BZHRK) of the new generation was discontinued. The topic is closed, at least for the near future. This was reported by an informed representative of the military-industrial complex of Russia. The reason, presumably, is the lack of funding.
    Apparently, the Russian government’s pro-Western liberoid economist Kudrin tried to do this - that Russia is spending too much money on defense in front of TMV?
    It is less necessary to steal high-ranking officials in the Russian Federation - and money for the project will immediately be found!

    I just can’t understand one thing ... and what kind of X does the “Liberoid market Kudrin” do in the Russian government and in general in Russia? ... something is wrong here Tatyana
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 2 December 2017 17: 43 New
      +3
      Kudrin has not been in government for a long time, he’s just a friend of Vokov Putin
  37. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 December 2017 16: 55 New
    +3
    Glory to those Lord! Canceled the same!
  38. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2017 16: 55 New
    +4
    Quote: DEPARTMENT-M29
    Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!

    Was there? Vitalik! Go down from heaven to earth and do not look at the world through the pink glasses of cheer-patriotism. There wasn’t anything yet. Only one throwing start and even that is not a guarantee that it was “Barguzin” and not “Yars”

    Quote: Paranoid50
    Quote: 210ox
    Yes, and no one has yet canceled the desu.

    And another moment: "stopped" can also mean "completed" .... yes There is no point in scattering the ashes, we will see.

    Completed? What is it like? Nothing has been done yet, but already completed ....

    Quote: 210ox
    Although there are systems that are already in service and which, if not superior to Barguzin in efficiency, are quite at its level. Skiff, for example ..

    Have you already bought for SKIF? Congratulations. There was nothing yet, even throwing ones, 4 years ago we checked the loading system in the submarine on the Sarov - let alone. The "bottom rocket" in service. If they would have read the interview of Bondarev, maybe it would have opened his eyes to what he is saying.

    Quote: VERESK
    The most powerful division in combat potential in the world

    I understand that it is yours, but alas, not the most powerful in terms of combat potential. And Derzhavinsky, and in Zhangiz-Toba, and in Dombarovsky were more powerful

    Quote: askort154
    I do not think so. Rather, they decided to freeze this topic for the media. And they will discuss where, when and from which station a car similar to the Barguzin departed. We cannot refuse now what the USA was most afraid of under the USSR. "Barguzin" is our ground "aircraft carrier", or rather - "Carriage carriers". yes

    Do not compare what happened 30 years ago and modernity. Everything is changing, including and the generation of US intelligence satellites has changed, and Russian Railways is now not a single structure, as in Soviet times. So what happened before and what is now are two different things

    Quote: agfa
    Of course fake! Especially after Bondarev’s statement on SCIF bottom ballistic missiles. State Department and Pentagon trolling 89 lvl. Carry out OCD and put into service different things. OCD can be frozen if a high level decision is made about another “unexpected” direction of funds. For example, "Skiff." But it has already been developed and passed the tests. The issue of introducing strategic arms treaties has not yet been raised. So one direction is well-established and ready for production. There is no political decision. We develop the following - Barguzin and Zircon grinding. The usual regular SDI or status-6 so that the mattresses do not relax and begin to believe in their sanctions. Like the statement the other day about a continuous radar field around the country. Wow! But this is a promise to the West and only in the second turn is a balm for the soul of a patriot-Russian citizen. Everything will be fine. Smile gentlemen - smile!

    Well, the statement of Boldyrev is akin to the statement of the Deputy Minister of Defense Borisov, the deputy chief of the GOU of the General Staff Pohnihir. According to Bondarev, we already have both Zircon and Skif in service. and Sarmat ... All of this already exists. Damn, how did these storytellers get it. They just leave the current service, or even without leaving, and begin to tell tales.
    A Skiff is a missile with a length of a torpedo tube and a diameter of about a meter. Donna missile didn’t even get to the throw, not to mention posing a threat to someone

    Finally, the part that was against the creation of the Barguzin BZHRK prevailed in the Ministry of Defense. Instead, it is better to increase the number of regiments in the divisions on the "primer". And to create what they wanted - stupidity and squandering public funds on an especially large scale
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 December 2017 19: 30 New
      +2
      not the most powerful in combat potential. And Derzhavinsky, and in Zhangiz-Toba, and in Dombarovsky were more powerful Compare the data a little. The 36th was ditched only because of this. Plus-BZHRK. Irkutsk and Kansk are not in the subject.
  39. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 2 December 2017 17: 15 New
    0
    Oh, so someone will tell you the truth ... Maybe the General Staff cards on the table !!! Al routes BZHRK and other mobile systems of the Strategic Missile Forces, strategic points for discussion on the forums wink laughing
  40. Handbrake
    Handbrake 2 December 2017 17: 19 New
    0
    Mlyanchik, and my grandmother told me that the writer was homosexual and not enough history for an hour, how the stuck pi *** s got out of him.
  41. Handbrake
    Handbrake 2 December 2017 17: 26 New
    0
    By the way, this information was initially posted on the website of the Roossian newspaper Weapon, by a certain Ptichkin.
  42. asavchenko59
    asavchenko59 2 December 2017 17: 28 New
    0
    Bullshit, scribbler does not even understand what he writes .......
  43. groks
    groks 2 December 2017 17: 33 New
    0
    If it doesn’t change me, according to the agreements of the drunken board, all routes and railway and cars should be agreed with the "partners". However, even without approval, tracking the start of a train from a satellite is not at all difficult. And the places of immersion of the Scythians will also be known immediately. Is that the point?
  44. Piramidon
    Piramidon 2 December 2017 17: 49 New
    +1
    ... informed informed representative of the military-industrial complex ...

    Plumber Uncle Vasya? He just changed the toilet in the building
    1. Handbrake
      Handbrake 2 December 2017 18: 00 New
      +1
      Seriously, take a look at the Russian newspaper, the "weapons" section, there is such an article too.
  45. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 2 December 2017 18: 11 New
    +2
    What is everyone so worried about the fate of the BZHRK? The Yars PGRK are much more protected from saboteurs, although less mobile, and the Yars in the silos can generally be destroyed only by a close nuclear explosion. Barguzin would increase the already variegated nomenclature of ICBMs, which would extremely slow down the modernization of the strategic nuclear forces. In the Strategic Missile Forces there should be two types of missiles - the light RS-24 Yars (in perspective, the RS-26 Rubezh) and the heavy ICBM RS-28 Sarmat. Such a configuration makes it possible to simplify the maintenance of the nuclear missile shield and increase the output of ICBMs by reducing their cost while increasing the series. Now there are five types of ICBMs in service with the Strategic Missile Forces: R-36M2, UR-100N, RT-2PM, RT-2PM2 and RS-24, but soon there will be seven (RS-26 and RS-28).
    1. swetlana1
      swetlana1 2 December 2017 20: 19 New
      +5
      Just the vast majority do not quite understand the problem. Firstly, development. You cannot recreate old equipment - there are no huge number of enterprises, you can spend a lot of money and again develop old equipment. Is it possible? No. The regulatory framework has changed. So a full development cycle of missiles, equipment and technology is required. As well as tests. Can someone evaluate the time and cost? You recently swore that there is no Fragrance. They are still completing the test. How many more T-50 tests will pass even after being adopted? Five years ... When can a barguzin appear? The T-50 began flight tests in 2010. So the complex will not appear before 2028-2030. Of course, you will not believe ... How many years has preparation been underway for the reproduction of the Tu-160M2? 8 years and years for 4 summer tests, at least. Why do you need bzhrk by 2030 and it will cost hoo. We do not have enough money for aviation and ground forces.
      Now about his stealth on the railway expanses of the motherland. In peacetime, they are obliged to warn about these lettering compositions. We have none of the railway workers will merge information and there are no enemy spies, and there will be no enemy saboteurs with nuclear HEs ??? In addition, in peacetime, the BZHR are obliged to cover the cover compositions in front and behind. Don’t believe it again? Look for how to cover trains with spent fuel from nuclear power plants. Barguzin will be cooler. Do you still think this is a wonderful complex? It is good that the project freezes until crazy finances appear.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 December 2017 00: 59 New
        +2
        Nobody needs old technology. And it seems to me that with the T 50 it will be the same as with the new BZHRK, this plane will not pull the budget - it’s too expensive and while the sixth generation will finish it, the sixth generation will take off, they have been working on it for four years already. Time T 50 has already passed - we were 20 years late with him.
        1. swetlana1
          swetlana1 4 December 2017 17: 45 New
          0
          To our joy, everything will be fine with the T-50.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 3 December 2017 07: 02 New
        0
        Quote: swetlana1
        We have none of the railway workers will merge information and there are no enemy spies, and there will be no enemy saboteurs with nuclear HEs ???

        In "our" media, only the lazy did not write about the BZHRK! And if you “add” retirees, military experts ... Even based on “open” information, you can draw “interesting” conclusions on how to organize “work” to detect BZHRK. And the enemy - "does not sleep and analyzes!" In addition, the BZHRK is not the only option of a “secretive” missile system. In Soviet times, the ICBM Courier was also developed. It was supposed to be used as "long-distance wagons"; railway containers on "standard" railway platforms; "sea" containers on cargo ships; use in wide-body aircraft ....
        1. swetlana1
          swetlana1 3 December 2017 11: 02 New
          +1
          You, too, are repeating stupid things ... Transportation issues are so regulated that simply never in life can there be transportation in wagons, sea containers and airplanes so that the enemy does not know. And they will never do that
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 3 December 2017 15: 15 New
            0
            Well, if you are so smart, then write to the MO and the developers of the Club-K complex that they are fools and why ... In letters to the MO ask for the same thing to pass to the developers of the Courier complex ... why are you only talking to me clung to? angry
            1. swetlana1
              swetlana1 4 December 2017 17: 45 New
              0
              Yes, smart. And do not write anywhere = there everyone knows perfectly
  46. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2017 18: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: groks
    If it doesn’t change me, according to the agreements of the drunken board, all routes and railway and cars should be agreed with the "partners". However, even without approval, tracking the start of a train from a satellite is not at all difficult. And the places of immersion of the Scythians will also be known immediately. Is that the point?

    Changes your memory. No routes were agreed. Neither the BZHRK nor PGRK. The only thing that was under the agreement was the restriction of the PGRK deployment area of ​​250 square kilometers.
    In those years, tracking a satellite was a rather complicated affair. The resolution of the satellites was insufficient to identify it or not with a 100% guarantee. Especially in the parking lots. The only unmasking sign was three locomotives with 17 cars. Extremely unusual for trains

    As for the SKIFs - again another stuffing. And everyone happily begins to discuss the next "wunderwaffe"

    For testing products under the SKIF topic, the B-90 Sarov submarine was used
    Work on this topic was carried out in the mall "Makeev Design Bureau" (formerly SKB-385, Miass).
    The theme of “Skiff” is the development and creation of a missile or torpedo (or combined) boat-based system using shells equipped with rocket engines. The initial work on the subject of “Spilit” research has been successfully carried out by the department since 1988. After the competition was held in the early 1990s, the State Regional Center begins full-scale development of the “Skif” research commissioned by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Production of prototypes on the subject of “Skif” was launched in the first quarter of 2005. The first successful tests on the topic of research and development “Skif” were carried out by the launch of the product in October 2008.

    The product is most likely to be launched through a special launcher of the original design located in the bow of the submarine. Perhaps the launcher is a multi-shot revolver type.
    The launcher is powered by an additional energy source. In 2009, a product on the subject of scientific research was either at the stage of finalization of the prototype, or at the stage of field tests in the hydraulic basin of the shopping center named after Makeev, or at the stage of design tests on the experimental submarine B-90 "Sarov"

    Most likely, the purpose of research is to create an underwater-based strike system. Dimensions of this, as they now like to broadcast intercontinental missiles - with a missile type "Waterfall", that is, located in the TA

    On photos.
    1. Submarine SAROV. In the bow you can see the hatch of the plug-in module with a turret launcher (the square of the hatch is clearly visible)

    2. In the picture, the turret type launcher before installation on the SAROV submarine

    3. Loading this "intercontinental ballistic missile" on a boat. On the right is an approximate drawing of this "wunderwaffe"


    The latest materials were in 2013. Then silence. No starts, no throwing or otherwise. And that means no intercontinental missile is at stake. Rather, it is an anti-submarine missile system.
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 December 2017 19: 54 New
      +1
      It was impossible to identify the BZHRK in the parking lots by the fact that the diesel engines went into the hangars. Hooking it back was a matter of half a minute.
      1. Beby
        Beby 2 December 2017 23: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: VERESK
        Only a specialist could detect such cars.

        Well, why so mislead people?

        Here is the BZHRK:


        And here is a regular refrigerator:
    2. swetlana1
      swetlana1 2 December 2017 20: 24 New
      +4
      You still forgot the visual sign for undercover intelligence - 8-wheeled wagons
  47. Kathernik
    Kathernik 2 December 2017 18: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Observer2014
    DEPARTMENT-M29 hi
    Looks like they clicked on us strongly ... Damn and x everyone! Such a system was ... Paddle everything!
    What do you react so emotionally to? A colleague is only calm! Scythian bottom-based ICBMs. For placement at the bottom of inland ponds, will you be reassured? And you don’t have to spend money on guarding the train. Go find where in Russia the Skif are hidden. And the Skif is already in service repeat The tests took place at the end of June 2013. On November 21, 2017, Viktor Bondarev, the head of the Federation Council’s Defense and Security Committee, stated that “Skif bottom-based missiles are part of the Armed Forces of Russia. And you are cursing. Calm down. Everything is fine.

    The bottom-based missiles will have to be protected much stronger, and state tests were not in 2013, but in 2017 ....
  48. VladGashek
    VladGashek 2 December 2017 18: 25 New
    0
    It is logical to perceive this information as a "knight's move." I mean, we have nothing, there is no BZHRK, there is no development of strategic nuclear forces, there is nothing modern that threatens the "free world". And at this time we are laughing in the sleeve, saying "pop your ears", and at this time we will prepare for you such that the world will appear in a box. If in this sense we understand information, then everything is in order with us. And if the meaning is different, then things in the Russian Federation are not very brilliant. There is no money for the most necessary weapon to deter the "free world".
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  49. TOR2
    TOR2 2 December 2017 18: 33 New
    +1
    Comrade officers, there is no need to react so violently to such articles. The key is here.
    The Moscow Heat Engineering Institute, which is developing a new BZHRK, has not yet officially confirmed the official information about the cessation of work on Barguzin, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta

    Quote: weksha50
    Guys, I’m trying to explain everything about the difficulties with the BZHRK ... I will repeat again: the difficulties are not with the train-equipment-rocket and the personnel-rockets ... The main difficulties are just interfacing with the requirements of Russian Railways and the selection of experienced drivers. .. For some reason, no one even stutters about this ..
    If anyone does not know, then the driver can only train a certain number of hours and only along the route to which he has access ... In the conditions of the BZHRK, it is extremely difficult to combine these requirements of Russian Railways with the requirements for carrying the database ...
    Requirements are not unshakable. Problems of an unfamiliar site. If the power of the locomotive allows you to stop anywhere and move anywhere, some of the problems disappear. Changing locomotive crews on such a train can be done anywhere, even on the go. A household carriage is always a part of a train. What problem remains? Speed. And here everything is solved, it is in a position to solve the KRET topic. We put a miracle machine in the cab. The monitor will display information on permissible speeds, track profile and station diagram if you want. I think GLONASS such a machine is not needed. The railway station is full of stationary objects for which correction can be made so that the inertial can handle it.
    He has repeatedly spoken about the need to create a whole class of weapons on a railway carrier. This is necessary primarily for the protection of vital centers in the rear. If there is a whole class, it is possible to shuffle locomotives, wagons, carts. Obtaining a “portrait” of a particular train to the enemy will be quite problematic. No matter how advanced the enemy’s satellite constellation is, tracking so many objects will eventually turn the game into thimbles.
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 December 2017 19: 57 New
      +2
      selection of experienced drivers .. Is it about ice or something? And too lazy to see who drives such trains? Ordinary train drivers. In the presence of a man in uniform. Who knows how to drive a steam train. Well- "Ordinary train driver", I do. Simple explanatory, trained and practice-ensign.
      1. prapor55
        prapor55 21 June 2018 02: 14 New
        +1
        Forgive me here not much the other way around a simple, sensible engineer, who was awarded the title of ensign. PS Have you been on PPD for a long time just wondering what is left there?
  50. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 2 December 2017 19: 13 New
    +6
    The development of a new generation of combat railway systems (BZHRK) has been discontinued.

    Let's read it thoughtfully:
    Development discontinued. Development of what? BZHRK new generation. And who said that the construction of what has already been designed is being stopped?
    Can early fight in hysterics?
    1. True
      True 3 December 2017 19: 14 New
      +1
      It’s famously ... Come on, give us a balm. Come on about the great smoke screen.