Scandal in the USA: And the "green berets" are fake ...

US News Agency Associated Press publishes material based on reports from sources in the US Army. The submission says that the command reward system for success in units and formations leads to an effect that negatively affects real success in the structure of the troops. In particular, it is noted that the command of the troops, in order to increase the number of “pluses”, goes for a frank understatement of standards in the training of military personnel.

In particular, it is reported about the outbreak of the scandal in the elite formation of US ground forces. Speech about the so-called "green berets".

An unknown person sent an e-mail to the military structures asking them to look into lowering the bar for training US special forces. The material states that the “green beret” of the special forces of the ground forces today can be obtained much easier than it was traditionally. The e-mail stated that violations of the regulations for the preparation and verification of fighters occur at the Fort Bragg military base in North Carolina.

Representatives of the military base command have already responded to the publication. Major-General Kurt Sonntag, commander of the ground forces, said he did not know what it was all about. According to General Sonntag, out of the 2 of thousands of applicants, the special forces green berets were received by “only 541 people”.

Sonntag:

We will thoroughly check all the claims contained in the material and conduct an internal investigation. But our standards relied and rely on items that correspond to the high quality of the training.

Comments

[Trevis]

frankly underestimation of standards in the training of military personnel.

Probably it’s hard for gays and other transgender people to pass traditional standards. That understated. That is OK.

What does Green take?

[Azim77]

Yeah, let some general try not to accept them, they’ll immediately peck and dismiss them. They say that gays do not need to be strong physically, it is enough that they are strong in spirit and free. Tolerance, sssserr!

[tv70]

He said high quality! I respect

[crambol]

Europe carried away by that Lui
I completely forgot about mine!

[Orionvit]

Quote: Logall

Well, all the rest are buggers!

You look, and not banned. Boldly. Although, what’s already here, the word is literary.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Trevis

What does Green take?

Do you think there are any specific standards for this exercise? Then, quite possibly, this lady excels in combat training in her ranger unit

[DanSabaka]

probably still doesn’t take, but takes ...

[Primoos]

Quote: DanSabaka

probably still doesn’t take, but takes ...

Who, Shrek or something?

[DanSabaka]

Yes, even at the horse ..... I can not ban .......

[Primoos]

Quote: DanSabaka

Yes, even at the horse ..... I can not ban .......

Well, if green ...?

[Kent0001]

Probably they are simply given out to gays so that the army authorities would not be suspected of intolerance.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Kent0001

They probably just give them to gays

Let them give out more. What would the American army be the most, in the sense of not only large.

[Primoos]

In the most deceitful country in the world, everything is false and false. Okay, green berets, but the fur seals have not forgotten how to swim? Or just floating on paper and in a bunk?

[Logall]

I think that they have specialists who perform really complicated operations! Made a noise around the world ... But it's the elite! An elite to which neither fur seals nor green berets belong!
So in general, the American army is more like a pioneer camp than a great army ...!

[KCA]

They managed all over the world, not a single completely successful operation, solid shoals

[Doliva63]

Quote: Logall

But this is the elite! An elite to which neither fur seals nor green berets belong!

Reveal the secret already - who are they? And then I began to doubt my knowledge.

[yakyu20]

More likely not at a pioneer camp, but at a kindergarten

[Alexander Skorik]

Rather, a brothel.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Primoos

Okay, green berets, but the fur seals have not forgotten how to swim? Or just floating on paper and in a bunk?

And the operation to capture Beni Incense doesn’t tell you anything?

[japs]

As for me, Dear Nexus, Benya Laden was "taken", chickens laughed, lost a helicopter.
Spread out to the whole world. "Sea burial" is a lie.
Even the film, in my opinion, has already been shot about it.
Our Amin’s palace was captured - yes!

[NEXUS]

Quote: japs

Benya Laden was "taken", chickens laughed, lost a helicopter.

Here I am about ... But there they weren’t "green berets", but the much-praised and even more promoted Delta.

[Orionvit]

Quote: NEXUS

But there they weren’t "green berets", but the much-praised and even more promoted Delta.

"Delta", without Chuck Norris is not combat ready.

[starochkin77]

She is also called Delta without victory, because they did not carry out a single successful, significant operation.

[97110]

Quote: japs

Our Amin’s palace was captured - yes!

Do not post - it was not!
I remember an urgent platoon awarded the most exhausted platoon fighter with the clicker "Cadet P ... in - a storm of green berets." And we felt sorry for the Z. Berets. Because the political training in the SA was not a couple of the current.

[Doliva63]

Was there a capture operation?

[yakyu20]

was did not know? )))

[Tai]

Only in clean pools, at a temperature not lower than 29 degrees!))

[den3080]

pressed out 1 time - takes; not wrung out - hat knitted with pompon.

[Doliva63]

Quote: den3080

pressed out 1 time - takes; not wrung out - hat knitted with pompon.

In fact, they are pretty squeezed out. But in the 80-90s, Soviet blue berets (and besides the Airborne Forces were worn by SPN and DDR) were wrung out much more and faster. So much so that it was considered senseless to introduce this exercise in the NFP Here

[Dedall]

And in the Chirchik brigade, pulling up on the bar was done in body armor. And the “rise-coup” many guys did 100 or more times. It all depends on motivation. Now she is not there, but there is only a desire to comply with the standard on verification to increase salary.

[Doliva63]

We didn’t have our own armor plates, they were issued from somewhere several times when we went to military organizational special events. Particularly advanced ones pulled themselves up with kettlebells or pancakes, but now, when they are over 50, they suffer from this. I was prudent The coup d'état was stopped physically after us 30 times, although, yes, many could do for 100. Much steeper was the gymnastics on the shells - bars, horizontal bar. The comrade could bend the crowbar, but the "cross" on the rings could not. My “working” weight on the chest and triceps was 105 kg., Although it could have been much more, but on the same bars and the crossbar everything that had been registered could be 5 points. By the way, in 54 the same 105 pull

[NEXUS]

Somehow about 15 years ago I came across the book of Robert Worms-Flanagan ... Very interestingly written. And today's Green Berets ended in Vietnam.

[pvv113]

I read this book back in the 80s, I liked it. And the plot is good, and it’s written interestingly

[shura7782]

I got to school 36 years ago. The book was worth reading.

[andrewkor]

Thank you for reminding me, I downloaded it right away, I’ll choose the time and read it.

[Doliva63]

After reading “Gene Green The Untouchable” in childhood, everything else was not read. Maybe because Russian is written But then I read “Wild geese on muddy water”, “Wild geese kill at dawn”, etc., and so on. Just in school.

[Mikhail m]

I recommend reading The Thin Red Line by Jones James. I also read it many years ago, but I remember it.

[Razvedka_Boem]

I recommend reading "Thin red line"

Cinema by the way, also shot a good one.

[Observer2014]

It is interesting if these berets are brought to us and forced to pass the test, they will start yelling and crying that the Russians have torture and inhuman conditions of service?

[Azim77]

And accused of doping. Trite of course, but they can.

[Sasha_Sar]

The question is why they do not come to our "games"? After the decision of the IOC, the answer comes to terms like a “cow pancake”. There is no WAD for which you can hide and which can select a medal in their favor.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Observer2014

It’s interesting if we bring these berets to us and make them pass the test

The image of Rimba is contrived and sucked from the finger by Hollywood storytellers. For what? To create the illusion for potential recruits that the "green berets" are not killed, cool and wildly respected. This image began to collapse when the facts of the Vietnam War began to emerge, and the subsequent fate of these American "heroes."
One massacre in Songmi is worth it ... On March 16, 1968, at least 502 civilians - 173 children, 183 women (17 pregnant women), 149 men (mostly old men) were killed by American soldiers in Songmi and in nearby villages.
These are actually these Rambas.

[Kent0001]

The whole world knows about Songmy, but for some reason is silent. The USSR has raised this topic many times, and I don’t know whether one of the punishers was punished or not? There, by the way, accidentally, Kerry did not participate?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kent0001

The USSR has raised this topic many times, and I don’t know whether one of the punishers was punished or not?

As it became known, a year earlier, US Army personnel massacred the civilian population of several villages that were part of the Milai and Mikhe (Mikhe) communities, destroying, according to various estimates, from 347 to 504 civilians. Many victims were tortured by American soldiers before the killing, and women were gang-raped. The crime provoked the indignation of the world community and became one of the most famous and symbolic events of the Vietnam War. Only one soldier (William Kelly) was found guilty by an American court, but after spending 3,5 years under house arrest, he was pardoned.

That is all American justice and the reaction of the world community.
I will say more, the "green berets" are inherently PUNISHMENT formations of the Third Reich SS battalion format. They were trained to destroy partisan foci, which was also done by the punishers of the SS.

[Doliva63]

Quote: NEXUS

I will say more, the "green berets" are inherently PUNISHMENT formations of the Third Reich SS battalion format. They were trained to destroy partisan foci, which was also done by the punishers of the SS.

That's cool! The tasks of STs are almost identical to the tasks of our Soviet-era special forces. I'm talking about the teams of Special Forces. Separate companies were closer to their "rangers", like DDR.
I myself just came across the “rangers” - well, stupidly like our army company SpN, the same skills, the same tasks. And the comrades from the brigades and MCI faced the ST - they say that colleagues, however
My colleague’s brother served in the MCI, once in the Mediterranean they provided the safety of the squadron’s ships on the banks. During the next descent, a combat swimmer disappeared under the water. Then the Israelis said - they stole the ST. Just the Yankees were not far away. It is clear that there were “seals” there, but it was the ST who did such work. "Laborer wars," so to speak.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Doliva63

My colleague’s brother served in the MCI, once in the Mediterranean they provided security for the squadron’s ships on the “banks”

You know, I was called up in the 92nd ... our ensign was a real Russian man with his head as a "house of advice" and knowledge of all the idiomatic expressions of our "great and mighty" ...
So when accepting new recruits, he asked only one question- HOW MUCH SPRINGS IN AK-74? For twenty years, not a single conscript has answered correctly.
And his second saying I remember how our Father- IF SCARY, BURN THE SHUTTER, Squeeze the EGGS IN A PIECE AND KEEP YOUR MAGIC FRONT!
Mental was Human.

[sharp-lad]

I just dug up, depending on the model, from 12 to 19 springs, not counting the spring of the store. I suspected that not everything is so simple, but ....

[NEXUS]

Quote: sharp-lad

I just dug up, depending on the model, from 12 to 19 springs, not counting the spring of the store. I suspected that not everything is so simple, but ....

The AK-74 has 13 springs.

[Doliva63]

Your "ensign" was not from the "green berets" The topic is about them.
And how many springs in the machine, I probably never thought about it, although from the 81st I was an excellent student in combat and political training of the USSR Armed Forces. My personnel blindly dismantled / collected any weapons that were in the arsenal of the unit. Mines - including.
But this is a chick! Colonel Astakhov, a blessed memory, was at school (I was finishing tank), so he demanded by touch to distinguish the details of T 62, 64, 72, 80. And they did!

[97110]

Quote: Kent0001

The whole world knows about Songmy

They have already forgotten, as well as the role of the USSR in the defeat of Germany in WWII. Well, the light elves cannot ...

[would]

The image of Rimba is contrived and sucked from the finger by Hollywood storytellers. For what? To create the illusion for potential recruits that the "green berets" are not killed, cool and wildly respected. This image began to collapse when the facts of the Vietnam War began to emerge, and the subsequent fate of these American "heroes."

This is a "very interesting" statement, given that the image of Rambo was originally invented not by Hollywood, but by a writer (yeah, the original source is a series of novels) and at the same time he is talking about the difficult PSTR and how the war broke a man.

[Reserve officer]

Actually, I would like to read a really sensible article about the standards that apply there. There are many specialists on our site, they will figure it out and draw conclusions themselves. And then the comments will be interesting in the case.
And then something is too painful often - a vivid headline and dull content.

[cariperpaint]

hara nonsense to write. there is still the selection. do not consider their specialists as clowns. there are cool pros.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cariperpaint

hara nonsense to write. there is still the selection. do not consider their specialists as clowns. there are cool pros.

Seriously? Are they really cool? The fact that the greater half of this rabble is not US citizens at all, that’s okay ... where did you see the pros there? The Vietnamese stuffed these pros according to the tonsils, despite the fact that there were airplanes and helicopters and “cool selection” ... THE PEASANTS HAVE PAVED THEM BY PEOPLE, who had not seen anything in their life before plows and bulls.

[cariperpaint]

underestimating the enemy is the biggest mistake, as well as believing yourself to be better. there is a serious structure and serious people with experience and knowledge.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cariperpaint

underestimating the enemy is the biggest mistake, as well as believing yourself to be better. there is a serious structure and serious people with experience and knowledge.

“These specialists”, without first having all the aviation burned with napalm and leveled the cluster bombs with the ground, doesn’t bother.
The same Mosul, how much aircraft was ironed and everything was leveled there with axes before the brave American soldiers entered the city? And it didn't matter that there were hundreds of thousands of civilians. However, to this day there are no statistics of losses on both sides of the Mosul. However, as with the Iraqi two companies. I mean the losses of the Iraqi side precisely in the issue of civilians.

[cariperpaint]

and from this they became an easy adversary? Yes, and the conversation is clearly about the berets and not their system.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cariperpaint

and from this they became an easy adversary?

Once again I ask a question: Against which REGULAR units have the Green Berets conducted military operations over the past 70 years? This is a matter of learning. From this punitive "elite", call me at least one real hero who accomplished a feat in the name of his people and his homeland. I repeat, over the past 70 years.

[cariperpaint]

do you understand that this is a special forces force and not a regular army? and in Fort Bragg, as a place, I think even those who know who did not serve in the army. their work, like that of similar units in any other country, will be hidden for decades. Well, you want to show a photo in Africa about how hostages were beaten off, of which 99 percent of people have no idea

[NEXUS]

Quote: cariperpaint

do you understand that this is a special forces force and not a regular army?

Of course. So I’m talking about this, that these are troops imprisoned for the destruction of the partisan movement, that is, PUNISHERS. And if you are talking about special operations, it’s more all kinds of “seals”, Delta “and so on ...

Quote: cariperpaint

Well, you want to show a photo in Africa about how hostages were beaten off, of which 99 percent of people have no idea

You know, after the atrocities that these warriors did in Korea and Vietnam, and in Iraq ... well, your photos about the hostages are not at the box office.
Tell me at least one special unit of Russia, which cut out civilians by the villages.
The Green Berets were trained all the way to the war with the partisans. In this, their special training is basic.

US Army Special Forces (US Army Special Forces) US Army Special Forces; also commonly known as Green Berets "Green Berets" - selected units of the US Army, intended for the conduct of guerrilla warfare and the organization of special operations (counter-guerrilla, sabotage, counter-terrorism and so on).

[cariperpaint]

Not certainly in that way. not even at all like that. The US Army Special Forces, better known to our readers as the Green Berets, are special units of the US Army designed to conduct RDOs, guerrilla warfare behind enemy lines, counter-guerrilla and counter-terrorism operations and other things. The motto of the "green berets" was the slogan "Free from oppression" (De Oppresso Liber).

[NEXUS]

Quote: cariperpaint

Not certainly in that way. not even the case at all. The US Army Special Forces, better known to our readers as the Green Berets, are special units of the US Army that are dedicated to the conduct of military operations, guerrilla war behind enemy lines, counter-guerrilla and counter-terrorism operations and other things. The motto of the "green berets" was the slogan "Free from oppression" (De Oppresso Liber).

I highlighted the main ...

[cariperpaint]

January 2016 Burkina Faso. they didn’t know exactly who it was from the specialists, maybe the delta. the second is precisely the French from 1 RPIMA regiment. but the fact of this operation is more important here. but about everything else they wrote on VO https://topwar.ru/111477-kto-tam-v-zelenye-berety
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[Igor Verevkin]

That's where you come from such degenerates?
Firstly, entering military service in the USA (at any military academy) without having a green card (that is, legally obtained RESIDENCE PERMIT) is impossible from the word at all. Once again, for s. The green card in itself, regardless of whether you are joining the army or not, gives you the right to obtain citizenship in 3 years. Therefore, you can sew up your bursting farts, but FOR RECEIVING CITIZENSHIP THERE IS NO NEED TO SERVE IN ARMED FORCES. You will get it anyway. Military service only allows you to speed up this process. And if you do not have a residence permit, then service in the armed forces does not shine for you in any role - neither in intelligence, nor as a cook.
Further, serving in the armed forces without citizenship is only possible in certain specialties, the vast majority of which are infantry, that is, a regular gunner. Any specialty that requires working with documents (for example, Intelligence), working with equipment (mechanics), and all officer specialties require CITIZENSHIP, which, I repeat once again, cannot be obtained through military service without being a resident.
All LRS (army reconnaissance), SF (green berets), Rangers - absolutely ALL they require the level of secrecy "SECRET" to enter the service, and this is 100% unbelievable without American citizenship.
So stupid people-putriots can continue to write tales that immigrants are fighting in the US Army for a green card, but if you are a smart person (what a putriot can not be by definition), then you yourself can easily find all this information on the Internet and make sure that the putriot - however, quite familiar to himself - is lying.

As for Vietnam - go see the statistics of the loss of Vietnam / North Vietnam and the United States.
With the same success, it can be said that the Afghan shepherds, who had not seen anything but plows and sheep before, had piled on the Soviet army.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Igor Verevkin

That's where you come from such degenerates?

Oh, the mattress released ... Funny you runners ... So drown for their
the current refuge that already dust is worth. Well, that’s understandable - but, all of a sudden, they won’t accept me into the “flock” ... And, after all, I started with insults right away ... You will involuntarily believe that some rubbish has gathered in the mattress.

[Igor Verevkin]

Man, I am a citizen of Russia, I have not received and do not receive US citizenship, but I am in the USA solely because I was sent here on a business trip. So before tryndet, take an interest in a situation.

But in fact there is something to answer?

[sabakina]

Igor Verevkin, I don’t understand. Do Mexicans with an American passport serve you like that? And they write to us that they serve FOR THE AMERICAN PASSPORT ... We must also be able to lie.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: sabakina

Igor Verevkin, I don’t understand. Do Mexicans with an American passport serve you like that? And they write to us that they serve FOR THE AMERICAN PASSPORT ... We must also be able to lie.

He is not lying. Who mu he wrote is clear and simple:

to military service in the United States (to any military academy), no longer having a green card (that is, legally obtained RESIDENCE PERMIT) - impossible from the word at all

The residence permit and passport of a US citizen are not the same thing, we have everything as well ....
A Mexican villain serves in the American army for US citizenship with a residence permit ... but without American citizenship, everything is clearly written in the mojma ...
You still call CAC and SBS weaklings, by the way, it’s precisely many attributes of the British special forces that we (and Ukraine) are cultivated in ....

[Igor Verevkin]

Nobody serves me here, because I myself am not a military man. Serve those who already have a legally obtained RESIDENCE PERMIT, and only in specialties that do not have secrecy. Obtaining access to secret documents without citizenship is impossible. Entering military service in order to obtain a residence permit is IMPOSSIBLE.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Igor Verevkin

That's where you come from such degenerates?

From what stone did you crawl out, I wonder?
For those stubborn like you

Quote: Igor Verevkin

Firstly, entering military service in the USA (at any military academy) without having a green card (that is, legally obtained RESIDENCE PERMIT) is impossible from the word at all.

For people like you, I repeat-

The fact that the greater half of this rabble is not US citizens at all, that’s okay ..

And now about the owners of the green card-

Green card is an identity card or so-called identification card confirming the presence of a residence permit a non-U.S. person

Therefore, the owners of the green car are being called up to the US Army, and these citizens are NOT US CITIZENS!

Quote: Igor Verevkin

So stupid people-putriots can continue to write tales that immigrants fight for the green card in the US Army, but if you are a smart person

The presence of a green card in a person does not mean that he is a US citizen! So then who is he with a green card, if not an expat?

Quote: Igor Verevkin

As for Vietnam - go see the statistics of the loss of Vietnam / North Vietnam and the United States.

Dear mattress, I know the statistics on Vietnam better than yours ...
What did Kelly do in Songmi? Can you tell me? At the same time, tell us how this geek ripped open the bellies of pregnant women and killed children. Very interesting to listen to.
And also tell how Nixon gave 4 lard dollars to the Vietnamese leader after the withdrawal of his scum from the territory of Vietnam.

[Igor Verevkin]

Half of this "rabble" - non-citizens.
Once again, for scoops - 65 thousand non-citizens are serving in the US Armed Forces with a force of 1.3 million people.
So where is half here, putriot? I’ll explain it again, for the third time — in order to go to war, you need permission to work with secret documents, and in the combat zone 99% of the documentation is secret. Without CITIZEN it is impossible to obtain the "SECRET" admission.
Rooster.

[Baby sitter]

So all the same, are non-Americans ?! You are a Hawaiian rooster !!!

[KaPToC]

Quote: Igor Verevkin

So foolish people-putriots can continue to write tales that immigrants are fighting in the US Army for a green card,

The infantry drags the war

Quote: Igor Verevkin

to serve in the armed forces without citizenship is only possible in certain specialties, the vast majority of which are infantry, that is, an ordinary gunner

so it is migrants who are fighting for the USA, but indigenous-non-indigenous people are also involved.

[Igor Verevkin]

It’s ridiculous. The number of aliens in the US Armed Forces, according to recent statistics, is 65 thousand people. With a strength of 1 million 300 thousand.

[Igor Verevkin]

And once again I repeat - in order to go somewhere to fight, you must have a "SECRET" level clearance. It cannot be obtained without an American passport. Otherwise, your war will consist of slicing potatoes in the kitchen.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Igor Verevkin

It’s ridiculous. The number of aliens in the US Armed Forces, according to recent statistics, is 65 thousand people.

Your statistics are bugging, Americans are always bugging.

Quote: Igor Verevkin

And once again I repeat - in order to go somewhere to fight, you must have a "SECRET" level clearance.

Well, why so insolent to lie? The level of access you specified is needed only for officers

[tochila]

We here recently recently detained in St. Petersburg a lieutenant colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who had previously served in the police, then left for the United States on a green card and served there in Iraq as a military intelligence sergeant, returned to Russia and managed to restore his service in the Ministry of Internal Affairs again! so definitely!)))))))

[abc_alex]

As for Vietnam - go see the statistics of the loss of Vietnam / North Vietnam and the United States.

Dear, you would also suggest comparing the destruction in Korea and the United States after the Korean War. I understand the argument, but you can’t fly beyond the borders either. Moreover, for some reason you require to compare losses only to the USA. Although in Vietnam 8 countries fought against the North, not including South Vietnam. You are intentionally trying to mislead readers.
The United States lost 60 thousand people irrevocable, and more than 300 thousand wounded. South Vietnam with up to 250 thousand and up to a million wounded. Losses of North Vietnam are estimated at 1,1 million dead and up to 600 thousand wounded.

Well, what can you prove from these numbers, I would like to ask? Will you really prove that such an imbalance of losses on the account of the "green berets"? If so, I'm afraid you urgently need to re-read literature on this war.

[Cadet]

With us, many servicemen will not be able to pass elementary physical standards, except for specialists, naturally .. So you should not consider them as profane, you should not underestimate the enemy.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Cadet

With us, many servicemen will not be able to pass elementary physical standards, except for specialists, naturally .. So you should not consider them as profane, you should not underestimate the enemy.

Nobody underestimates them ... the question is different, what is the main specialization of these SPN? And it is simple as a lowing-fight with partisans, that is, not with trained soldiers, but with civilians. Example-Vietnam.
Hence the level of their training.

[Cadet]

an example like Afghanistan? I had to quickly recall the experience of the Second World War

[NEXUS]

Quote: Cadet

an example like Afghanistan? I had to quickly recall the experience of the Second World War

So what? Our paratroopers slaughtered children, old men and women by villages?

[Cadet]

But did I write that ours cut the locals and carried out punitive operations? So you don’t understand well, the army that entered the DRA after the war was intensively preparing for a nuclear war in Europe, even the equipment was created for this, and when the troops were introduced, they encountered active gang actions with guerrilla warfare tactics. Or do you disagree with this?

[Cadet]

and then they immediately remembered the experience, and by the way, and the experience of the green berets in Indochina.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Cadet

But did I write that ours cut the locals and carried out punitive operations?

So you don’t hear me, apparently ... just the "green berets" carried out punitive operations both in Vietnam and in Korea. What clearly speaks of their training and preparation.
It is about the level of training of "green berets" article ...

[Cadet]

it’s written in the article that someone choked on the exam and the other turned a blind eye to it and the third dashed off a letter where it is necessary we also like to send letters, if something, they clamped an asterisk then they didn’t let them go to the academy and by the way there weren’t words about punitive operations! !!!

[Petrik66]

Well then, according to your logic, we were piled on simple shepherds, and how.

[Cadet]

hmm, shepherds were cooked in Pakistan, with the participation of instructors from the usa, pakistan and others. And even so, I didn’t even mention that we didn’t need to juggle ours, and I won’t compare Soviet soldiers and officers with punishers and Yankees, like here trying to lead me to this, clinging to words.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Petrik66

Well then, according to your logic, we were piled on simple shepherds, and how.

These shepherds have been fighting since the time of Genghis Khan, unlike the Koreans and especially the Vietnamese ... This is so, for a minute ...

[Cadet]

. And the shepherds have such a fate to fight and fight, they live back in the Stone Age, they like it, they at that time, who only use no weapons, even our most beloved pandas, but we don’t remember it now. And with us, as soon as they write about a small bunch of Yankees, they begin to suck and savor the topic and squeal with pleasure.

[Igor Verevkin]

Well, the last, clown, so that you finally understand how ridiculous and idiotic you are. It is impossible to get into "green berets" without a passport (that is, not being a US citizen). Therefore, your ravings about half of the immigrants are nothing more than the ravings of an inflamed putriotic mind. Uma, naturally, in quotation marks.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: NEXUS

The Vietnamese crammed these pros into the most tonsils, despite the fact that there were planes and helicopters and “cool selection” ... THE PEASANTS Piled BY THESE PEOPLE, who had not seen anything in their life before plows and bulls.

Well, in this case, we were piled on and stuffed (as you put it) peasants on donkeys in Afghanistan. Which saw nothing but a hoe. But there was aviation, and turntables, and everything that your heart desires.

[Glory1974]

out of 2 thousand applicants, “only 541 people” received the green berets of the special forces.

Maybe they are pros. But in our veterinary school the selection was cooler.

[creak]

Quote: Observer2014

It’s interesting if we bring these berets to us and make them pass the test

And why all these difficulties, in which case you can simply throw their hats on without getting up from the couch ... At least most of those who commented on the article are ready to do it right now ... Virtual reality, unlike real life, and God forbid war, it is humane and will not punish cruelly, as has already happened in our difficult history ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: ranger

And why all these difficulties, in which case you can just throw them in their hats without rising from the sofa ..

It’s not at all clever ... our paratroopers are assault formations, and the “green berets” are punitive units. Different preparation and different tasks. What are you talking about? Much training is needed in order to come to the village after a preliminary bombing of the aircraft and shoot children and women?

[shura7782]

Quote: Observer2014

........ It is interesting if we bring these berets to us ......]

They have their own song, and we have our own. Do not underestimate their training. These clips and our war films are also shown to them and set us an example. Physical training is checked at the reserve so that it would correspond to his rank in the service during mobilization. Agree that we have a hole in this issue?
Officer cockade on a soviet mole beret of Soviet times. Apparently there is some explanation for this. I'd like to know.

[Cadet]

Soviet cockard on a beret? During the service, there was an attempt to exchange the Soviet badges for new ones with an eagle from the soldiers, they didn’t pass, they didn’t accept)))) many people did the demobilization, but all of them sculpted Soviet badges on berets because ..... it's hard to explain))) , the Soviet also tried to wear the badges, the officers waved a hand and everything returned to normal. it came to curiosities when the replenishment in school books and old-timers refused to fix new nuts on hats, because they saw that they looked like Vlasov.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Cadet
Soviet cockard on a beret? During the service, there was an attempt to exchange Soviet badges with new ones with an eagle for the soldiers, they didn’t pass, they didn’t accept)))) many were demobilized;

It’s true that in the winter of 96, I left for a demobilization with a cockade on a hat and shoulder straps on my overcoat ...
Although I know in many parts of the epaulettes cut the letters CA ...

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Observer2014
It is interesting if these berets are brought to us and forced to pass the test, they will start yelling and crying that the Russians have torture and inhuman conditions of service?

Very funny". Only this color takes, as well as the tradition of setting standards for its right of appropriation, came from the British “commando” of the post-war period, and not from the “Vova” at all ...

[ul_vitalii]

There were no others in the military, that’s what they are wearing. And now it’s not a desire to shoot, it’s prestigious. Apparently someone got on a dime, but didn’t give change, it alerted many.

[Skeptic]

The number of planks on the tunic is impressive. Probably from the age of ten, Boy Scouts have been collected.

[Ankipelgygyrgyn]

Yeah, it seems there in schools for every positive assessment they give out something like that.

[papas-57]

`` The number of planks on the tunic is impressive. '' And they are awarded medals so that they don’t fade from service to a civilian.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: SkepticCynic

The number of planks on the tunic is impressive. Probably from the age of ten, Boy Scouts have been collected.

Battle strips are mounted on top, anniversary below ...

[Illegal]

But our standards were based and are based on points that correspond to the high quality of preparation.

That's when you come across the Russians “head-on”, then gentlemen will talk! Are you afraid of us in real life ..?
Attempts to destroy Russia financially and morally did not work for you ...
We go to "YOU" .. and I do not envy you gentlemen ..

These are the things in our hearts ...

[Mwg]

Very good news. This is so democratic. Long live US democracy in the USA !!!

[japs]

So I am protesting why women who are not overweight are not taken into "green hats"?
Not tolerant, not democratic all this! Shame on mattress democracy!

[Simon]

Quote: Azim77

Yeah, let some general try not to accept them, they’ll immediately peck and dismiss them. They say that gays do not need to be strong physically, it is enough that they are strong in spirit and free. Tolerance, sssserr!

Strong in spirit and bare ass!

[Simon]

Quote: NEXUS

Somehow about 15 years ago I came across the book of Robert Worms-Flanagan ... Very interestingly written. And today's Green Berets ended in Vietnam.

Not ... e, in Hollywood, the "green berets" are very "strong" and "brave", and they save everyone, especially from aliens.

[semuel]

They need to unscrew their heads, these scribes from the Associated Press. They won’t calm down at all. Berets are like berets, what’s wrong?

[andrej-shironov]

Well, now all the local cheers-patriots will attack the green berets, as before on the Estonians!

[Old26]

The most interesting thing in the article is that someone unknown sent out emails about the decrease in the level. Unknown sends out letters about which nothing is known. Only blah blah. But how joyfully everyone rushed. It’s a discussion to discuss - it’s nice to read. Green Berets - bullshit, etc.

It’s interesting, and if someone offended that he didn’t receive the maroon beret or the green beret of the GRU scout sends similar letters, will it be just as joyful to discuss? Or "Caesar's wife is beyond suspicion" and this is impossible ???.
How little is needed - to show that the enemy has a stigma in the cannon, and just like that, without evidence - we don’t know them in order to initiate such a dashing discussion.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Old26

How little is needed - to show that the enemy has a stigma in the cannon, and just like that, without evidence - we don’t know them in order to initiate such a dashing discussion.

Vladimir, do you have little deed in Vietnam and Korea? What did these super-duper soldiers do there do not want to remember?

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Old26

How little is needed - to show that the enemy has a stigma in the cannon, and just like that, without evidence - we don’t know them in order to initiate such a dashing discussion.

Vladimir, do you have little deed in Vietnam and Korea? What did these super-duper soldiers do there do not want to remember?

Dear here, not the deeds are discussed, but the level of military training and the experience of military operations, including with regular parts of the KPA and SRV, and not just with irregular formations ....
The modern Russian Federation has only a short and only experience in conducting military operations with regular enemy forces, unlike the United States .... and there were no large-scale military air operations against enemy air forces after WWII ....

[andrej-shironov]

Well, at least someone from the members of the forum understands that not everything is so cloudless with our armed forces. I repeat once again: she’s not shamelessly learning from the adversary, in order to beat him later with his own weapons. Shameless mockery has never led to good.

[NEXUS]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Dear here, not the deeds are discussed, but the level of military training and combat experience,

Dear, I deliberately emphasized the question - AGAINST WHICH GREEN TAKES ARE BROKEN. Hence the training. Go into a Vietnamese village full of children and old people and cut it to zero, this is the level of vaunted "green berets", that is, punitive in modern design.
As for the experience ... no one answered me like that- What REGULAR units of the enemy did the Green Berets fight? Regarding the fact that this is a special unit ... so they are not so small in the American army (I'm talking about the number of these greenest berets). There was a war, say, in Vietnam, where the "green berets" were used a lot, widely and without embarrassment ... so what?
The Vietnamese, without special preparations, equipment, napalm, cluster bombs, etc., rolled this vaunted military elite under the nut. After which Nixon shamefully paid compensation. Didn’t you say such a thing?

[MOSKVITYANIN]

NEXUS Dear, I specifically emphasized the question - AGAINST WHICH GREEN TAKES ARE BROKEN.

Found a good article on VO about them
https://topwar.ru/8187-reyndzhery-ssha-us-rangers
.html

[Sergej1972]

As for the compensation, it’s rather a myth.

[Petrik66]

Green berets have a completely different orientation than those parts that were done in Sogmi.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Petrik66

Green berets have a completely different orientation than those parts that were done in Sogmi.

As far as I know, green berets are worn by the US Special Forces Group, not rangers ....
When Kennedy was buried, they put a green beret in his coffin, he loved the US special forces ....

[Vard]

Seriously ... then judging by the photo, they’re not exhausting themselves with running ... Painfully cowboys are full ... But running at special forces is the main thing ...

[Nemesis]

Reducing the requirements for infantry and explosives is one thing, and special forces, it is another ... I do not think that someone will reduce the requirements for recruiting special forces ... They have specific tasks that require serious physical training ...

[Old26]

Quote: NEXUS

Vladimir, do you have little deed in Vietnam and Korea? What did these super-duper soldiers do there do not want to remember?

Andrew! And you do not confuse and do not replace concepts? The question is not about how much blood is on the hands of green berets or rangers, cats and everyone else. The essence of the article is that some berets are not earned without fulfilling the standards. You know, they fulfill the standards and what are they? I think no. Like many here wrote. The essence of the article is this, and not that they were punitive in Vietnam.
Or do you think that all these special forces, which should initially operate behind enemy lines and destroy everything and everyone will be white and fluffy?
I would not like to recall Afghanistan. So there, if necessary, the villages could be razed to the ground if they shot at our troops. Or not? Wasn't it like that? We will not talk about the moral character of the American "green berets." This is God their judge. But the article is not about that ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Old26

And you do not confuse and do not replace concepts? The question is not about how much blood is on the hands of green berets or rangers, cats and everyone else.

I don’t confuse or replace anything, Vladimir. Emphasizing the facts of the punitive operations of the "green berets" AGAINST PEACEFUL RESIDENTS, I am talking about the level of training and the tasks for which this formation of troops has been created. Against which REGULAR units did these combatants conduct combat operations can you answer me?

Quote: Old26

The essence of the article is this, and not that they were punitive in Vietnam.

Dear Vladimir, they were not only punitive in Vietnam, the "green berets" were a priori created according to the patterns of the PUNISHING UNITS of the SS, imprisoned for the destruction of partisan detachments. Do not you know.

Quote: Old26

I would not like to recall Afghanistan. So there, if necessary, the villages could be razed to the ground if they shot at our troops. Or not? Wasn't it like that? We will not talk about the moral character of the American "green berets." This is God their judge. But the article is not about that ...

You can recall Afghanistan, why not? Answer me the question: Were there examples similar to the Songmi massacre in which our paratroopers in Afghanistan participated?
And the article is just about the level of training of the "green berets." So what level are we talking about, if the tasks and the creation of this type of troops are punitive operations, and this includes operations against civilians, taking into account preliminary cleansing by air (recalls the recent refusal to remove cluster bombs from weapons) and ax attacks?

[Ayratelinsion]

Sorry to interrupt your conversation, but what you are talking about is a moral and ethical issue.
The total destruction of the enemy on enemy territory, among other things, is extremely advisable. A decrease in the enemy’s population, a reduction in the gene pool, and banal intimidation are the factors that weaken the enemy for at least a couple of generations. And this is not a little.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Ayratelinsion

The total destruction of the enemy on enemy territory, among other things, is extremely advisable. A decrease in the enemy’s population, a reduction in the gene pool, and banal intimidation are the factors that weaken the enemy for at least a couple of generations. And this is not a little.

Dear, what you scratched here is called in one word-FASCISM. Strongly all of the above you weakened the Soviet Union during the Second World War, or the same Vietnamese? M

[Ayratelinsion]

Do you think not? Total demographic losses are estimated at more than 25 million people. The population of the USSR in 41 was about 200 million. Less 12 percent is not an easing? Moreover, most young people are of reproductive age.
The heroes were able to rebuild and raise the country so high with such losses!

[rocket757]

I love history, I propose to take an excursion into the past and see the affairs / events of bygone days.
What can be found \ read memoirs, military analytics and all sorts of different reports \, consider historical denunciations!
Briefly - all the old, successful in the beginning, rich states / empires have a tendency, let's say, to "rot"!
Decrease in motivation, loss of t.s. young enthusiasm and other losses in the state itself is transferred to citizens.
Army - why should the fighters "rest" on meeting the standards that are really designed to increase the chances of survival in battle. These standards were written. blood. The fighters are sure that on the battlefield due to the advantage in technical means, weapons, etc. they don’t have to fight at the limit of strength why do they "get stuck" during preparation ???
Examples, and for a long time, and recently are full!
The Romans are barbarians, the Saudis are the Hussites, the SA are the Mujahideen, the Yankees are Vietnamese and further down the list.
The command staff of the identity will not be too hard to stop, if the plug goes with the implementation of the standards ... they need to fulfill the plan, bonuses, awards, the title of "earn."
In short, there are prerequisites, but what I really have, I won’t guess / fantasize.
Can we place an order for Wikileaks? Let the reports, analytics and a real comparison of standards ... get!

[voyaka uh]

No specifics. Received a report to criticism, it is being investigated. Maybe nonsense, maybe the truth

[Normal ok]

An unknown person sent an e-mail to military structures asking them to sort out lowering the bar for requirements for training US special forces.

Some dude sent something. And the crowd of adult men, seriously discussing this! This is more like mental masturbation than an analytical site.

[Curious]

What is the exact definition !!!

[Sergej1972]

A little off topic. Is it true that “maroon berets” in our country is already a post-Soviet invention? And one of the officers who took an active part in the execution of the White House in 1993 stood at its origins?

[Victor jnnjdfy]

Sergey, this is nonsense. There were "maroon berets" in the USSR. In the year 1985, I heard that there are "red berets" in the Moscow Region, who are also e ... ut not childish. Itself at that time served in a good place with the romantic name of Bear Lakes. By the way, among the lakes there lived special forces of the airborne forces. It was also invented in the Soviet Union, and not in the post-Soviet era, as many believe (military unit 46131).

[Eurodav]

Quote: Observer2014

It is interesting if these berets are brought to us and forced to pass the test, they will start yelling and crying that the Russians have torture and inhuman conditions of service?

Well, somewhere it was like that ... Just do not remember what the video was called ... It was hard for the mattresses ...

[Seraphimamur]

Of course, those “green berets” are no longer in control: gender equality, gay and other free components.

[bratchanin3]

Cho is not by European rules that the military live in the United States. It is necessary to introduce more broadly the participation of transgender people, gays and all kinds of perverts in the army and “green berets”, this will increase the tolerance and rights of perverts in the army, and as for combat readiness, this is not the main thing for the world military dominant.

[rocket757]

Can I think? But all sorts of alterations, imperfections can not be HEALTHY by definition !!! If sales without surgery, only cerebral "shots" !!! these identities cannot be healthy, at least for the psyche !!!
The question is, what kind of standards can there be if we “infringe” on the rights and all that jazz, these nedo \ re people nizya!?!?!?

[kartalovkolya]

Advertising panimash, and most importantly to be afraid of their own!

[Cruel beaver]

I was still interested ... and of the runoff of awards? sashes?
Is this for every obs .... e or what?
MLLA! Our VETERANS (!) Have less jackets!
So they (veterans) did not give pretend life .....
Or didn’t I understand something?
ahhhh .... us army !!!!!!

[Commander]

The second green beret in the photo, sergeant, on top of the sign (badge) "Combat infantryman." Awarded for direct participation in hostilities as part of infantry units, plus the bottom qualification mark of the ranger and paratrooper (in the form of a crescent), the mark of a paratrooper. There are many awards in the US Ministry of Defense, both for successes in the service and for the medals of military campaigns. I see the sergeant’s ribbons of medals “For the service of national defense” (top row, leftmost) - this is given out to everyone who serves in the army during the hostilities, it doesn’t matter if you really fight or not, and “For service in the expeditionary forces of the global war on terrorism "(second row, also leftmost) - 30 days continuously in the b / d zone in a particular campaign: Afghanistan, Iraq. It seems that his first medal is a Silver Star. this is a serious reward at the level of our order of Courage

[infantryman2020]

[/ b] [/ quote]
That is all American justice and the reaction of the world community.
I will say more, the "green berets" are inherently PUNISHMENT formations of the Third Reich SS battalion format. They were trained to destroy partisan foci, which was also done by the punishers of the SS. [/ Quote]

Yeah ... I have not heard such nonsense for a long time ...

[MOSKVITYANIN]

They decided to argue with the army general?

[Vadim Sh.]

And whoever doubts, they always have one deception.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Cadet

hmm, shepherds were cooked in Pakistan, with the participation of instructors from the usa, pakistan and others.

And the Vietnamese were trained by China and the Union. Similarly.

[k_ply]

Outside hooliganism does not smell here. Rather, some officer or sergeant (Fort Bragg - a large base) who cares, an eyewitness or having access to the identifier. documents, concerned about the level of cadet candidates, and raised a fuss.

[Alexey-74]

In the USA, everything is fake. Their vaunted green berets with Fort Breg, have long been the wrong guys from the 80s ..... Their naive faith in John Rambo touches ....

[rocket757]

So Hollywood thinks / thinks up for everyone ... stories are such a thing, survivable of any microbe.

[Doliva63]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: cariperpaint

and from this they became an easy adversary?

Once again I ask a question: Against which REGULAR units have the Green Berets conducted military operations over the past 70 years? This is a matter of learning. From this punitive "elite", call me at least one real hero who accomplished a feat in the name of his people and his homeland. I repeat, over the past 70 years.

STs are designed for a depth of about 3 thousand km. Are there many regular troops?

[SpN V]

The Green Berets are not so simple, in fact it is a special unit of the CIA under the "cover" of the army. The counterpart and counterbalance in Soviet times was not the GRU army special forces as many people think, but the special groups of the KGB of the USSR of the First Main Directorate (KUOS later OTC, aka Vympel).

[First iron-faced]

The massacre in Songmi is the work of one of the battalions of the 23rd Infantry Division, the green berets are out of place here. Of course, their units specialize in reconnaissance and sabotage operations, which automatically means counteraction to all kinds of rebels

[wanderer_032]

Well, that's right. If this happens, then we can assume that in Fort Bragg there are mass sets and mass releases.
And this, in turn, can mean that somewhere in the world a big mess is being prepared. And for such a mess, mass training is needed. The quality of training will certainly fall, but this is acceptable damage.
But these Orkharovites, of mass production, even with simplified training, which in our military terminology is called accelerated courses, can do a lot of bad things.