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In Crimea, they propose to equate Ukrainian nationalism with Nazism.

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The chairman of the Crimean Public Chamber, Grigory Ioffe, initiated the recognition of radical Ukrainian nationalism as a form of Nazism. According to Grigory Ioffe, with his statements and actions against dissidents, as well as representatives of “non-titular” ethnic groups, the Ukrainian nationalists completely repeat the system that developed during the times of German Nazism.


RIA News cites the statement of the head of the public chamber of the Republic of Crimea:
The extreme, as they themselves said, integral, Ukrainian nationalism has passed all facets and turned into a Nazi movement. We also constantly see its manifestation in modern Ukraine in the creation of volunteer battalions and various political structures, such as the Right Sector (banned in the Russian Federation), the Svoboda party, the Radical Party. These are all parts of one Nazi extreme Ukrainian nationalism.


In Crimea, they propose to equate Ukrainian nationalism with Nazism.


According to Grigory Ioffe, the Nuremberg Tribunal condemned Nazism in all its manifestations, and therefore what is happening today in Ukraine, in fact, is a violation of accepted international norms. The head of the Public Chamber of Crimea proposes thinking about taking a supranational decision to condemn radical Ukrainian nationalism. But who will condemn (besides Russia), if in Europe they are trying to close their eyes to this, the United States and Canada vote against resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazism every time. It turns out that Ukrainian radical nationalism was cultivated precisely in order to be what it turned out to be in our time.
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  1. Anarchist
    Anarchist 1 December 2017 07: 08 New
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    What are they so restless there? Everything, in Russia already, calm down! No other business? Let the Hague engage in their Nazism!
    I didn’t think that tail phantom pains also happen ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 1 December 2017 07: 10 New
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      Alexander, good morning. If we calm down, then our children will turn into "knees, not remembering kinship" ...
      Quote: Anarchist
      What are they so restless there? Everything, in Russia already, calm down!
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 1 December 2017 07: 16 New
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        Good morning, Dmitriy! I'm not talking about inaction, but for not engaging in endless formulations!
        You need to act, but by other methods:
        Recognize the Minsk Conspiracy as not viable, for example ... Do something in practice, not harass the paper!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 1 December 2017 07: 24 New
          +7
          Unfortunately, "big politics" does not mean supporting the aspirations of the people .. By the way, they are already talking in ruin about the "unviable Minsk conspiracy. We only have a big head to speak from the high rostrum about the" lack of alternative to Minsk "... But there is an alternative - bring peace in the Donbass.
          Quote: Anarchist
          Good morning, Dmitriy! I'm not talking about inaction, but for not engaging in endless formulations!
          You need to act, but by other methods:
          Recognize the Minsk Conspiracy as not viable, for example ... Do something in practice, not harass the paper!
          1. RESEARCHER
            RESEARCHER 1 December 2017 08: 00 New
            +5
            Everything goes to the point that in a few decades, and maybe much earlier, it will be necessary to equate American democracy with the Nazi regime.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 1 December 2017 08: 15 New
              +2
              Leo, here’s what I’ll tell you .. With the current slurred politics, lack of ideology, we will come to the 90s of the last century. God forbid, of course. And they don’t recognize non-staff members as Nazis. They have a clear and focused policy ..
              Quote: RESEARCHER
              Everything goes to the point that in a few decades, and maybe much earlier, it will be necessary to equate American democracy with the Nazi regime.
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 1 December 2017 12: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: RESEARCHER
              will have to equate American democracy with the Nazi regime.


              hi namesake.
              IMHO, American democracy is somehow saliva if it had not been implanted in the rest of the world. In fact, what is spelled out in the US Constitution and what the "internal organs" of this country are doing are two opposites and just the second IS EXCEEDED as the dogmas of democracy. A bunch of examples and you know them.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 2 December 2017 01: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: Lelek
                Quote: RESEARCHER
                will have to equate American democracy with the Nazi regime.


                hi namesake.
                IMHO, American democracy is somehow saliva if it had not been implanted in the rest of the world. In fact, what is spelled out in the US Constitution and what the "internal organs" of this country are doing are two opposites and just the second IS EXCEEDED as the dogmas of democracy. A bunch of examples and you know them.

                Well, the Americans showed that their constitution is not worth a penny broken !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
        2. Pharao7766
          Pharao7766 1 December 2017 09: 37 New
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          There is another option.
          Why waste time, time and nerves to prove something to the UN (which has long turned into a toothless cow, like the League of Nations). Recognize that Ukrainian Nazism is Nazism and take steps and measures based on their own views.
        3. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 1 December 2017 10: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Anarchist
          Recognize the Minsk Conspiracy as not viable, for example ... Do something in practice, not harass the paper!

          The idea of ​​recognizing Nazism is a good one, all the more so as it is. Following the recognition of Minsk’s non-viability, action is needed. Recognition of the regime as Nazi will bring a legal basis for the action / option.
      2. Shurale
        Shurale 1 December 2017 08: 38 New
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        If it were not for Crimea and the DPR with the LPR, no one would now discuss Ukrainian nationalism. If you want your children not to be “knees of no kindred relationship”, do not forget to tell them to whom we should be grateful for the appearance of the Nazis in Ukraine in such numbers.
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 1 December 2017 10: 23 New
          +3
          Quite the opposite, Nazism developed from the time of independence, this is also evidenced by the book of Kuchma and the Recognition of Bandera as a Hero of Holodomor and Genocide, the Nazi’s tour in Crimea, the beating of veterans in 2011 in Lviv, its peak on the Maidan, that is, it obviously progressed . For a long time they did not pay attention, trying not to spoil relations, if not for the coup, vital interests could be affected.
        2. Bosch
          Bosch 1 December 2017 13: 34 New
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          Who created them, I wonder?
        3. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 2 December 2017 01: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Shurale
          tell them to whom we should be grateful for the appearance of the Nazis in such numbers in Ukraine.

          ... to grandfather Lenin, uncle Stalin or the goat Khrushchev ??? what what what maybe all together right away ??? wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      3. sibiryk
        sibiryk 1 December 2017 12: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        then our children will turn into " knees, not remembering kinship"...

        Fiercely plus.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 1 December 2017 07: 17 New
      +6
      Anarchist hi - blindfolded walking may end badly for us! In Crimea, they’re right, it’s time to start cleaning not only our country, where ukronazists are also hiding from the war, and our authorities know about it, but don’t react at all, but also to completely clean up the regions bordering Russia with Russia, as it were. For this, it is necessary that our authorities cease to be amorphous, and in the republics do not meddle with their decrees on how not to fight them - then the republics themselves will quickly restore order.
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 1 December 2017 07: 21 New
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        Hit the Baltic? Or take by storm?
        1. 210ox
          210ox 1 December 2017 07: 29 New
          +5
          Yes, who needs this Baltic. The Russians there (who did not leave) agreed with their second-class status. A conversation about those republics where the Russians really remained them. PMR, LDNR ..
          Quote: Anarchist
          Hit the Baltic? Or take by storm?
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 1 December 2017 07: 40 New
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            I just answered it, or rather, I clarified
            Quote: Herkulesich
            to clean up the regions that are Russia’s frontier with Russia

            Moreover, this can also be attributed to Asia!
        2. Herculesic
          Herculesic 1 December 2017 07: 36 New
          +2
          An anarchist is to strike, but informatively, having created in Kaliningrad a radio station working for extinctions and broadcasting in local languages! And to speak only the truth!
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 1 December 2017 07: 43 New
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            Quote: Herkulesich
            And to speak only the truth!

            The truth will be this: Russians despise the Balts!
            To start broadcasting from this?
            1. 210ox
              210ox 1 December 2017 07: 49 New
              +3
              Well, it’s possible .. "Uh ... you don’t tell me more than kakakoooi seichaaaaaas chaaaaaas? ....."
              Quote: Anarchist
              Quote: Herkulesich
              And to speak only the truth!

              The truth will be this: Russians despise the Balts!
              To start broadcasting from this?
        3. Orionvit
          Orionvit 1 December 2017 08: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Anarchist
          Hit the Baltic? Or take by storm?

          Yes, even so. Anyway, apparently, this will end, and not Russia will be the initiator. In place of Russia, only for non-citizens, the United States, the entire Baltic States would have been rolled out tanks for a long time.
    3. Cutter
      Cutter 1 December 2017 07: 47 New
      +3
      With their statements and actions against dissidents, as well as representatives of "non-titular" ethnic groups, Ukrainian nationalists completely repeat the system that developed during the time of German Nazism.

      And why ask them ??? ....
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 1 December 2017 08: 02 New
        +4
        Hi Sasha! hi There is no need to ask, here it is necessary to ruthlessly wet! am
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 1 December 2017 07: 49 New
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      "Supranational decision" is how? belay
    5. Orionvit
      Orionvit 1 December 2017 07: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Anarchist
      Let the Hague engage in their Nazism!

      About The Hague, is this probably a new joke? Something all of democratic Europe, point blank does not notice the Nazi marches in the Baltic states and Ukraine. And with all the relevant symbols and attributes. And at the UN, they unanimously vote against the proposals of Russia, about the inadmissibility of the glorification of Nazism .. It turns out that they are in Europe for.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2017 07: 53 New
        +2
        Crimea proposes to equate Ukrainian radical nationalism with Nazism
        many words ... in short: where to sign?
      2. 210ox
        210ox 1 December 2017 07: 54 New
        +1
        How would you like something. "Mosiychuk" in The Hague took poison .. Dreams ..
        Quote: Orionvit
        Quote: Anarchist
        Let the Hague engage in their Nazism!

        About The Hague, is this probably a new joke? Something all of democratic Europe, point blank does not notice the Nazi marches in the Baltic states and Ukraine. And with all the relevant symbols and attributes. And at the UN, they unanimously vote against the proposals of Russia, about the inadmissibility of the glorification of Nazism .. It turns out that they are in Europe for.
    6. Finches
      Finches 1 December 2017 08: 13 New
      +1
      I got to the point that I’m ready to level the whole Ukrainian nation ... for something ...!
    7. alavrin
      alavrin 1 December 2017 08: 56 New
      +1
      Why should they calm down and be content? Prospect named after Hauptmann SS Shukhevych in Kiev? Glorification of the SS Division Galicia? Recognition of the people of Donbass as "genetic garbage"?
      What are you talking about?
    8. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 1 December 2017 08: 59 New
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      It is necessary to adopt such a law in the Duma that Ukraine is a fascist state, after which all economic ties with it must be curtailed, including the sending of workers to their homeland.
    9. Slovak
      Slovak 1 December 2017 13: 06 New
      +1
      Is it really good when it doesn't concern you? Crimea, this is their house, on the threshold of which the neighbor regularly spoils.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 1 December 2017 07: 10 New
    +6
    Crimea proposes to equate Ukrainian radical nationalism with Nazism
    That sho you robe! Won not the Nazis !!! Won nationalists repeat This is what I printed for you the universal excuse of these same fascists. Which I myself have heard a thousand times. The Crimeans do it right. Ukrainian nationalism needs to be equated with fascism. And close this topic once and for all.
    1. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 1 December 2017 07: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Observer2014
      Crimeans do it right. Ukrainian nationalism needs to be equated with fascism. And close this topic once and for all.

      On good, in general - "UKRAINE", as such, must be equated with Nazism, because in fact, this is Nazism! yes
  3. HEATHER
    HEATHER 1 December 2017 07: 15 New
    +5
    parts of one Nazi extreme Ukrainian nationalism. Odessa alone will confirm everything. LDNR will prove. The destruction of civilians and the infrastructure of cities and towns was the prerogative of the Nazis. What is happening now. I think we won’t look at it for a long time. Maybe I’m wrong. My opinion is. Time is against us now. What next, I don’t know. Can hands untie LDNR? Only who will go for it ...
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 1 December 2017 07: 21 New
      +3
      Heather - hi in the main you are right - time works against us because we are silent! ! am And we should have long since begun to start a real, not an imitation civil war in Ukraine, let it be cruel, but only in this way can and should completely destroy Bendery and local Nazis.
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 1 December 2017 07: 32 New
        +3
        Herculesych! drinks It’s realistic to send ours, I’m against. The KGB in such cases developed operations to overthrow the regime up to a second. Special groups were sent that even the consul didn’t know about. They did their job. Now I don’t understand. We became too soft, although on the background of the frantic rise of the Army could-WOULD and create a structure similar to the KGB. With all its departments. What I’ll write tomorrow. Help is not yet available.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 1 December 2017 07: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: VERESK
          The KGB in such cases developed operations to overthrow the regime

          I'm afraid such diseases cannot be treated with such medicines and the overthrow of the regimen will not help here. If you look at the lessons of history, you will see that in Ukraine, radical nationalism has been eradicated twice, and in the Baltic states and Germany alone. And always the valiant Red Army was engaged in this. True, then, the leaders of liberal views, it’s all for ... or, as a result of which we observe the version of Nazism 2.0.
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 1 December 2017 08: 09 New
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            such diseases are not treated with such medicines Now, with our policy, they are not being treated. hi
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 December 2017 08: 16 New
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    ... the answer to such a necessary proposal of the Crimeans is already given in the article ...
    But who will condemn (besides Russia), if in Europe they try to turn a blind eye, the United States and Canada every time vote against resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazism.
  5. anjey
    anjey 1 December 2017 08: 26 New
    +1
    in Crimea offer to equate Ukrainian nationalism with Nazism
    long time ago, Hitler really appreciated the Ukrainian Nazis for serving the Reich, not without reason
    scorzeni, by direct order of Hitler, led a gang of Bandera and Bandera himself, in the winter of 1945 to Austria through the Carpathians ....
    1. anjey
      anjey 1 December 2017 10: 16 New
      +1
      In our troubled times, Hitler’s followers, both in the West and in the territory of the former USSR, were very successful and didn’t get the “Lenin case”, but the “Hitler case” is rushing uphill ... and who will stop it? The question is still that ...
  6. demo
    demo 1 December 2017 08: 33 New
    +1
    According to Grigory Ioffe, the Nuremberg Tribunal condemned Nazism in all its manifestations, but because what is happening today in Ukraine, in fact, is a violation of accepted international standards.

    Nonsense.
    At the time the tribunal expired, there were bright representatives of nationalist movements — Franco in Spain, Salazar in Portugal.
    And who equated and condemned them?
    Recognition can only be international.
    And again!
    Three or four countries gathered and recognized the fifth as Nazis !?
    And the remaining two hundred countries did not recognize!
    Example: US actions against Iran, Libya, Syria, Iraq.
    Yugoslavia, after all.
    So it’s not so simple, Mr. Joffe.
  7. Dimmih
    Dimmih 1 December 2017 10: 22 New
    0
    MP Joffe would have to ensure that the poop was not lying around anywhere and there were no pits on the road. And then the most important news: Ukraine, Syria and Mara Baghdasaryan.
  8. Antares
    Antares 1 December 2017 10: 44 New
    0
    Populism. Between partners, the world, and small concerns.
  9. pvv113
    pvv113 1 December 2017 10: 49 New
    +1
    equate Ukrainian nationalism to Nazism

    Are there any differences?
  10. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 1 December 2017 10: 52 New
    +1
    Even if Russia legitimizes Krajin Nazism, this will be enough not to cooperate and not feed this regime.
  11. Nemesis
    Nemesis 1 December 2017 13: 47 New
    +1
    Any manifestation of Russophobia in Russia should be punishable and equated with Nazism.
  12. PValery53
    PValery53 1 December 2017 18: 09 New
    +1
    It is an adequate response. “A good nationalist, a fascist is a dead fascist” - Since they don’t understand words, then action enters.
  13. LeonidL
    LeonidL 2 December 2017 04: 37 New
    0
    The correct and logical decision! Nationalism is the last inapplicable and sufficient step towards National Socialism. Without nationalism, neither Nazism nor fascism are possible in any national forms. By the way, the Ukrainian Nazis voluntarily or involuntarily but in everything copy exactly the samples of Nazism Nazi. Speeches, throwing out hands, torchlight processions, signs and so on. In fact, these are the newly-minted Waffen SS, the SBU according to the methods - typical of the Gestapo, the nationalist parties together are the NSRPG, the media are worthy successors of Goebbels ... only the place of the Fuhrer remains vacant, but this will most likely not take a long time!