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Ukrainian guys are running from the call in the warring army

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On Thursday, Ukraine completed another call to serve in the armed forces of the country. The army must replenish 12000 recruits. Unlike mobilization, this set is planned, but it faces the same problem as in the formation of units for the so-called antiterrorist organization (ATO) in the east of the country — Ukrainian guys shy away from military service and are not in a hurry to die for the ideas of the inspirers of Maidan . After at least two attempts to notify recruits of the call made through the mail and housing offices, only 3,95 percent of draftees came to the recruiting offices.




For recruits - in a nightclub

This is data on the Kiev city military registration and enlistment office. They became public after the Commissariat was forced to explain itself for its methods of fulfilling the conscription plan. Local human rights activists were excited after the police and military raid at the Kiev night club Jugendhub.

It seems that they were looking for drugs, but in fact 32 conscripts were taken from the club to the assembly point, who were evading military service. This raid frightened the dodgers and their relatives with its scale. The previous practice was quite individual. The military enlistment office formed lists of draft dodgers, handed them to the police. She was engaged in the search.

In this scheme, since the time of the first wave of mobilization (there were six of them altogether), there was a rather broad opportunity for maneuver. First of all, the opportunity to leave the country, including on specially organized tourist tours. Others preferred to buy a medical certificate that protects against war and service.

True, it is a very expensive business. When the authorities arrested a doctor in Chernivtsi for trading fake certificates, it turned out that an enterprising doctor was taking 3,5 thousands of euros for a document of medical exemption from military duties. Experts agreed that this is a regular dachshund. Meanwhile, it is comparable to the annual salary of a skilled worker.

Not everyone could afford to spend so much. Therefore, by the second wave of mobilization, for example, in the Transcarpathian, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv regions, 60% of men of working age turned out to be outside Ukraine. In Kiev, the number of draft dodgers from military service reached 95%.

Now the situation in the war is not so acute. Moreover, the recruits promise not to attract to participate in the ATO. But everyone understands that an escalation of the conflict is possible. The authorities almost daily make threats against the unrecognized republics. If these threats become a reality, they will have to be realized by those recruits who are now carefully hiding from the military registration and enlistment offices.

In response, the military demonstrate amazing ingenuity in search of draft dodgers. The raids were not only in the capital clubs for young people. A night raid by the military and the police, for example, was held in Lviv. It was a week after the Kiev raids. Her sad lesson, which caused public outrage, was taken into account. Because twelve poor fellows who got into the network of recruiters, were not sent directly to the barracks. They were only given agendas to appear at the recruiting station.

Of course, such modest numbers of identified draft dodgers probably do not reflect all the problems of the current draft campaign in Ukraine. More clearly it can be seen on another action of the same Lviv recruiting office. On his Facebook page, he published a complete list of those who evade military service — it turned out 15 000 people (more than the autumn draft plan all over Ukraine). The names of conscripts, their names, patronymic names and other personal data were indicated.

Later it turned out that not all of them were draft dodgers. Many did not even receive subpoenas. The representative of the Lviv regional military registration and enlistment office Roman Poroniuk explained that “this is a list of people to be called up for military service. By law, they had to come to the recruiting station to check their data. ” The scandal broke out again, and the list was removed from the website of the military enlistment office.

Difficult choice of recruits

Related stories happened in almost all regions of Ukraine. Authorities ran after conscripts to put them under arms. Those, in turn, were in no hurry to collect points, evading military service that fell on them. This game of cat cats each side explains in its own way.

A spokesman for the public relations department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Yuzef Venskovich, justifies the actions of the military by saying that “the disruption of the fulfillment of the presidential decree on the 2017 year must not be prevented.” The motivation of conscripts is quite obvious. They do not want to become cannon fodder of the Kiev regime.

True, President Poroshenko swore to the country that recruits would not get into the ATO zone, but would guard military depots (fires began to happen more often), engage in combat training, master equipment and armaments. Meanwhile, those called up in the spring soon found themselves on the construction of engineering structures in the combat zone in the east of the country.

The rumor about this was widely spread throughout Ukraine, which only increased the flow of draft dodgers. Authorities through the media constantly remind them of responsibility for evading military service. A set of punitive measures ranges from a fine of about two hundred hryvnia to imprisonment for up to three years.

However, recruits receive the real term extremely rarely. The courts mainly stamp conditional punishments, but even they in the future will seriously affect the life prospects of a person. With a previous conviction, he will not be able to work in the state and municipal service, in the public sector, etc.

Not everyone likes this prospect. Therefore, recruits show wonders of resourcefulness, so as not to get into the army. In early November, the Ukrainian media reported on the case in the Vinnitsa region. There, a 22-year-old local man married an 80-year-old grandmother. This story was made public not only because of the rare misalliance.

The newlywed turned out to be the granddaughter of a resourceful recruit. Her sister was a deviant's grandmother. As they told reporters at the local village council, the spouses did not even know that she was getting married. She was taken to the city under the pretext of re-registering property for her heirs, where this unforgettable marriage took place.

On the same day, the happy newlyweds submitted to the military registration and enlistment office a document confirming that he should now take care of his spouse - a disabled person of the first group - and therefore deserves a deferment from conscription. Vinnitsa story amused the local public. Caused a flurry of stinging comments on social networks. Although especially frolic is not worth it.

The Kiev regime placed conscripts with a difficult choice: to become a member of the civil war or to violate the law on conscription. This choice is between the promise of the Ukrainian president to leave recruits behind the lines of the war and the harsh reality. As the volunteer Miroslav Guy, who is familiar with the situation, testifies, on the front line “the lack of officers, like a soldier, is catastrophic in the army”.

Guy responded to the appeal of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak to military pensioners with a request to return to the service. In the autumn draft, the request of the Minister was transformed into a plan for recruiting graduates of civilian higher educational institutions who studied in military departments for officer positions. As part of this order, the Ministry of Defense puts into operation thousands of such officers.

No matter what they say, the population connects the modern Ukrainian army not with the protection of warehouses and military property, but with the war in the Donbas. It becomes a serious irritant of the Ukrainian society. Not so long ago, the leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine Pyotr Simonenko on the TV channel "Star" said that, despite the massive propaganda treatment of the "aggression of Russia", an increasing part of the country's population understands: the war in the Donbas is against its own citizens.

Simonenko referred to the latest measurements of public opinion. Surveys of sociologists show: about 70% of Ukrainians now demonstrate anti-war sentiment. It was caused by large losses (more than 10 thousand people died as a result of military actions in the Donbas), financial expenses (every day of the war costs 5-7 million dollars) and awareness of the internal nature of this civil conflict.

Experts cite other indicative figures, but one well-known fact outweighs all of them: in 2013, then-President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych canceled military conscription and began to form it on a contract basis. Postmaydannaya power restored compulsory military service, once seated in Kiev government offices.

Since then, conscription has become one of the main factors of social tension. It can be treated differently. However, it is clear to any objective observer: the lack of motivation of most recruits to serve in the army says, first of all, that the current government in Kiev cannot count on the support of society. The youth does not want to protect the interests of this regime and openly evades the military service imposed on it.
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  1. bandabas
    bandabas 1 December 2017 16: 03 New
    +1
    Well ahead garny lads.
    1. seti
      seti 1 December 2017 16: 15 New
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      It’s time to understand that in the ukrovermaht these "burnt lads" will very quickly be dragged into the murder of their own citizens and, in general, Russian-speakers during a general brainwashing. And the propaganda machine of Ukropstan works much better than the Russian Federation. Unfortunately of course. In Ukropia, they directly and openly say that they are at war with Russia and the Russian world - and our artists sincerely wonder why they break their concerts in Odessa or Dnepropetrovsk .. And our politicians seem to be on the moon ..
      And you have all the hatred.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 1 December 2017 17: 12 New
        +4
        And I want to add. These are data on Kiev. On the periphery and the Southeast, they go there and enough according to plan .. And they become our ideological enemies.
        Quote: seti
        It’s time to understand that in the ukrovermaht these "burnt lads" will very quickly be dragged into the murder of their own citizens and, in general, Russian-speakers during a general brainwashing. And the propaganda machine of Ukropstan works much better than the Russian Federation. Unfortunately of course. In Ukropia, they directly and openly say that they are at war with Russia and the Russian world - and our artists sincerely wonder why they break their concerts in Odessa or Dnepropetrovsk .. And our politicians seem to be on the moon ..
        And you have all the hatred.
      2. forester
        forester 1 December 2017 19: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: seti
        It’s time to understand that in the ukrovermaht these "burnt lads" will very quickly be dragged into the murder of their own citizens and, in general, Russian-speakers during a general brainwashing. And the propaganda machine of Ukropstan works much better than the Russian Federation. Unfortunately of course. In Ukropia, they directly and openly say that they are at war with Russia and the Russian world - and our artists sincerely wonder why they break their concerts in Odessa or Dnepropetrovsk .. And our politicians seem to be on the moon ..
        And you have all the hatred.

        They are already Russophobic coached, there is no need for illusions, they are ready to kill and rob, but they do not want to die, therefore they run.
        1. tezey
          tezey 2 December 2017 15: 10 New
          +3
          No need to generalize. My cousin nephew dumped from the garnet of Ukraine to Poland because he did not intend to kill, let alone die for the Kiev capitalists. Why in Poland, and not in Russia, it turned out easier. There are no Russophobia in the family of my cousins ​​living in Ukraine.
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 1 December 2017 20: 48 New
        10
        Quote: seti
        It’s time to understand that in the ukrovermaht these "burnt lads" will very quickly be dragged into the murder of their own citizens, and in general Russian-speaking

        My friend was "swept up" by mobilization, back in the 4th wave. A man’s vision is "fit for hand-to-hand combat", and a vice of the gray horse. A local and private SBU officer came home, and his mother was in an army or prison. There was no “conscript” at home. And he had an even smaller brother and no father. As a result, there were 3 “trips” to the “ATO zone.” He has nothing on the block of posts. He has nothing against the Russians, nor against Russia. He’s quite an adequate guy. Where did he go? Give up? So, firstly, he’s not a coward, secondly, he’s a hostage family. So, if they started him there It’s a war. If it’s trying to kill you, then defend yourself or die. And who’s right there, who’s to blame, the survivors will understand. But, fortunately, they didn’t have to shoot. It’s lucky. an adequate person is impossible. But to put in the framework of "kill, or they will kill you" is simple.
        1. SevaNikolaev
          SevaNikolaev 2 December 2017 00: 06 New
          0
          C'mon, "not a coward" is how to understand, my hut from the edge I don’t know anything? , and from howitzers to sleeping cities ..... who makes
          Some kind of turbidity - I wasn’t at home, but swept away .... who didn’t want did not go
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 2 December 2017 03: 19 New
            +1
            I support. It’s for such a “moyahataskrai” that the most ideological sit and do not just sit - they are shelling from afar. There is “meat” in the trenches on the front end, and the terrorist group goes to Novorossia through this “meat” and if it didn’t drive, as the group recently ran into the DNR machine guns, then it retreats behind the “meat” and the “meat” protects them protecting itself . am . So these "moyahataskrai" need first of all, from such then the policemen and the executioners of the concentration camps will also be recruited by the executioners, so - ALL at a cost am
            1. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 2 December 2017 12: 36 New
              +1
              Mih1974 Here behind such a "moyahataskrai" and sit the most ideological

              the hospitable ones are those that do not care, and the majority of Ukrainians blame the inhabitants of LDNR for all their current problems, therefore they believe that the way out of the crisis is the destruction of Donbass ....
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 2 December 2017 13: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                most Ukrainians blame the inhabitants of LDNR for all their current problems, so they believe that the way out of the crisis is the destruction of Donbass ....

                Did the First Channel of ORT tell you this? Or did you live here, talked with people and made your own conclusions on your own experience? In order to make such bold statements as yours, you need to see the situation in Ukraine from the inside. about and without it over “stupid hohl.mi.mi.” I will give you a link to the Ukrainian site of a small regional center. Read the comments that concern the USSR, Donbass, “ATO” and the situation in the country. This is a dispute between ordinary Ukrainians. then draw conclusions ...
                http://shostka.info/shostkanews/u-rukovoditelya-s
                hostkinskogo-podrazdeleniya-sumygaza-antiukrainsk
                aya-pozitsiya /
                http://shostka.info/shostkanews/privet-iz-proshlo
                go-v-shostkinskom-otdele-politsii-nashli-dzerzhin
                skogo-foto /
                http://shostka.info/shostkanews/v-v-ch-3022-prove
                rili-i-osvyatili-tehniku-foto /
                http://shostka.info/shostkanews/realii-za-8-mesya
                tsev-v-shostke-rodilos-254-chel-umerlo-702-chel /
                http://shostka.info/shostkanews/shostkinskie-komm
                unisty-proveli-aktsiyu-k-100-letiyu-oktyabrskoj-r
                evolyutsii-foto /
                It is unlikely that you will change your mind, because propaganda at the state level is a serious matter, but you can at least see with your own eyes what ordinary people of Ukraine think.
                1. MOSKVITYANIN
                  MOSKVITYANIN 2 December 2017 14: 21 New
                  +2
                  revnagan Did the First Channel of ORT tell you this?

                  I’ve been watching nothing for a year on the zombie box ...
                  I have colleagues from work and friends on the other hand, so I don’t need your references (I can bring them myself), I’m used to listening to everything from the source ....
                  Actually, I don't give a damn about Ukrainians, just like they didn't give a damn about me in 90's ....

                  Ukrainians did not want to live in the USSR, then they did not want to live with the Russian Federation, so why should I think about them, they are strangers to me, so let these strangers live as they want, if they want to let them kill each other ....
                  The exception is the deployment of the NATO WB on the territory of the former USSR, then I can safely go to my military commissariat to kill Ukrainians, along with NATO, as enemies of my state ....
                2. alexmach
                  alexmach 3 December 2017 16: 23 New
                  +2
                  Did the First Channel of ORT tell you this? Or did you live here, talked to people, and made your own conclusions on your own experience?

                  I lived in Ukraine until 2015, I talked with people, with ordinary people and not with some fascist activists. So that’s all.
              2. Mih1974
                Mih1974 2 December 2017 13: 34 New
                +2
                Remember such a good man was Givi? crying
                So watch the video when he "interrogates" the freshly caught "mine" and repelling them chevrons makes them eat. Carefully review, there is one moment when he tells him about the atrocities of the ukrovermaht - he breaks into hysteria !! Even he, who has probably seen all the horrors, and at the same time, is almost always cheerful outside the fight, LIKE nerves belay . I don’t want to know WHAT he remembered this and very unfortunately that for irresistible reasons (there is no cowardice or "davanogenererennost") then I could not go there. sad These miscarriages (ukrovermaht) must be exterminated! Someone will say "the majority simply do not want to go to jail," but I think that the "ideological" fascists are understandable, just scum; but those are precisely "moyahataskrayu" - much more dangerous. It was these people who were not exterminated after the Second World War and their “children” grew up.
                I ran into Bendery in the Ukrainian SSR as a small child and simply could not understand "HOW this strange aunt can separate Ukrainians and Russians and talk about some kind of infringement." Since that time, I have not seen this “aunt” anymore, I don’t know - maybe the KGB got swept over it, maybe she didn’t come to us (a village house for 14 families), but the fact remains.
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 2 December 2017 13: 43 New
                  +2
                  It’s one thing to be indignant at “hutskrajniki” in a territory free of Banderaites, and it’s quite another thing to live under their occupation. A state with Bandera ideology has nowhere to hide. You need to live and protect your loved ones. This government calls, gives a gun and sends you “to pay off your debt Homeland. "And the fact that people don’t try to purposefully kill people whom the authorities call" separs and quilted jackets "are good. If necessary, a person will protect his life. But he will not rob and kill, because he is not will become.
                  1. Mih1974
                    Mih1974 2 December 2017 14: 13 New
                    +2
                    You are a lie "do not wander the peaceful" fools or deaf-deaf people tell. am here is the https://youtu.be/0Gvdkyh72C4 video where the ukrovermaht fires from tank guns, but to understand the essence, listen to how cicadas and all kinds of insects chirp before firing !! fool That is, there is NO fire impact on them themselves from the word Absolutely.
                    And this https://youtu.be/U8w9K_7D-Gc what say? I float on your writings, because it is not known who, where and even if at least once seen the war with their own eyes, I believe in these tears of children and women tell them about "they will not shoot. am
                    1. revnagan
                      revnagan 2 December 2017 14: 26 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Mih1974
                      I believe in these tears of children and women tell them about "they will not shoot.

                      Excuse me, are you an adequate person? Everyone who didn’t want to shoot after mobilization returned home, and they don’t get a contract for any kind of carriage. They know that the AFU is a criminal organization that violates the Constitution of Ukraine, shooting at its people. Yes, they had to there they didn’t have a choice. They gave "duty to the Motherland" - everything, at home. They didn’t kill them. Those who are now volunteers in the Donets Basin shoot in the Donbass, they also know that they are criminals, and they have nowhere to retreat .Don't you see the difference between the first and second? Well, then what to talk about?
                      1. Mih1974
                        Mih1974 2 December 2017 14: 33 New
                        +1
                        Especially for you ONCE AGAIN - in the Warring Army there is not and cannot be "I have not killed anyone" !! Just for the reason that the whole army is a single mechanism and even military engineers standing in a good bunker or digging trenches with special equipment help to kill civilians in the Donbass. Even the cooks that feed these geeks and even the rear rats that plunder property and money - all the same, for the most part they provide for the KILLING of civilians.
                        Even with the legal one (in which there is absolutely no morality), all military personnel of the enemy army are subject to assassination, and if captured, they are considered "prisoners of war" while peaceful (non-combatants) are not subject to captivity !! fool
                        Your miserable babble like that of a young man from Urengoy that in the Bundestag (yes, for me they have ALL with a small letter) said "these are unfortunate victims of mistreatment by the authorities of the prisoners, although he did not want to fight." am Yeah, right up to Stalingrad, millions of people like him “didn’t want to fight,” and then there’s such a “nuisance” - instead of dying from the boot of the “European civilizators”, they took the “Gulypy of Rus” and broke it into civilization so that it was under 105 thousand in captivity ” civilizers. "
                        Can you justify the protection of the concentration camps, because they also "did not want to kill", and just "did not allow these undernights to people (this is their fascist term) to run away"?
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 2 December 2017 13: 20 New
              +2
              Quote: Mih1974
              ALL in expense

              Well, come and try to put everyone into the expense. I’m just saying right away, I don’t know you, and my acquaintance is a normal guy who happened to be there by coincidence. So I will take his side. When I wrote about the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, I won’t start shooting at my own people, but if they come from the outside and decide that they have such a right, they will start letting everyone in a row here and shoot me ... then, I'm sorry, I’ll have to shoot back, and as high as possible hi
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 2 December 2017 13: 24 New
                +2

                You tell their relatives and THOUSAND of the same about your familiar normal man. am
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 2 December 2017 14: 03 New
                  +2
                  I saw this photo. "Gorlovskaya Madonna." I know this story. There will be an opportunity to get to these coves. I’ll kill myself. And the junta will answer for the killings of thousands of Russians, Ukrainians, and other Ukrainian citizens. And the court will be, and all cases will be examined there. But this is still to come. And here and now there is a reality in which there is a "legitimate authority" and "our Ukrainian partners" recognized by Russia at the state level as well. And if you behave with this authority like Lieutenant Schmidt during interrogation -it will not be. And you will die, and you will not change the situation. And my friend didn’t kill anyone. And those who killed will answer. Maybe you have an inferiority complex, and you want to start repenting before you? Well, at least someone, right? So I have nothing. I have neither the strength nor the means to stop lawlessness in the Donbass, no. And the one who had one finger didn’t hit a finger. And millions of Ukrainians live in these conditions. Do they also repent to everyone? And will you judge, punish and pardon? In full, we are not Germany, but you are not Israel. We know who breathes what, who did what
                  , and we will judge by their deeds.
                  1. Mih1974
                    Mih1974 2 December 2017 14: 26 New
                    +2
                    https://youtu.be/_yxw7gGgGbc Вот посмотрите и еще раз наврите про "никого не убил". Как только ваших укровермахтовцев захватывают в плен так сразу ВСЕ как один - я "повар, "я водитель" , "ни разу ни в кого не выстрелил". Может тот о ком вы говорите как раз САМ никого не убил (из стрелкового оружия), но может он как раз и тех кто вот такие "грады" на видео зарязает, а может водит. am Yes, yes, he is a “white fluffy sheep” and there where these “cities” have flown almost always. Peaceful people, women, old people and children.

                    Here you have "he did not kill anyone." The scariest thing in this picture is that the man is not carrying his child at all (he was from Russia and was there by chance at that moment), but even this turns his soul and heart out. The child was already dead by that time, but the peasant still does not know this, but trying to convey the child to at least some kind of medicine. am
                    And ALL the scum who commit these atrocities at YOU - marches along the central streets, bring in waggons, “they complain that they are allotted the laid land to the cemetery” and “they don’t take it for free in minibuses” !! You do not need to be afraid of THESE, YOU - they collect money for them, for clothing, warm clothes, and children, you make emotional pictures to draw, that then the wars of New Russia will be removed from their corpses. Ugh on you. am
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 2 December 2017 13: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: SevaNikolaev
            and from howitzers to sleeping cities ...

            Do I look very indignant? Take the prisek.
            Quote: SevaNikolaev
            who did not want that did not go

            I am sure that THERE are only those who wanted to go? Or simply life itself has never pressed its muzzle to the table?
            1. SevaNikolaev
              SevaNikolaev 2 December 2017 21: 54 New
              0
              People are adults or smart, respect themselves and others, try not to tell anyone and what to do, so as not to give a reason to send them on sexual trips.
              I have no complaints against you, I understand what you want to say, even though you get it very sloppy, I hope you will have the strength to maintain your civic position
              “The junta will still be responsible for the killings of thousands of Russians, Ukrainians, and other Ukrainian citizens.”
              But here from stories about white and fluffy with three business trips to the ATO, I feel sick!
              I will not answer your overexcitation anymore, and you do not torment the keys, save your strength for
              - “I know this story. There will be an opportunity to get to these kov-kills myself.” - these are your words.
              AMer.flag of the aftermath of countermeasures to combat Internet restrictions in the country.
  2. seti
    seti 1 December 2017 16: 06 New
    +7
    Much does not agree here.
    Namely, contract service in Ukrostan is now a very profitable business. And what if you go to serve from the enterprise you get not only the army but also your average salary. In ukrovermaht they pay incentive bonuses. They are very significant. All together it comes to 20-22 thousand hryvnias for an ordinary .. I know what I'm writing about. And this is not to mention banditry, drunkards and other all permissiveness. In the conditions of the decomposition of society and the reduction of deer (or rather its absence), contract service is quite popular.
    So there are too many recruits and it is not necessary - with the general dill propaganda in schools and universities, recruiting 15-20 thousand uropetes per call is not a problem.
    1. turbris
      turbris 1 December 2017 16: 33 New
      +2
      Of course, for that kind of money, many will go under the bullets, though not for long, therefore the contractors are the backbone of the ATO participants. And the fact that this is a civil war for them in the drum - after all, they shoot at civilians for the money and excuses that they do not know where the funny people shoot. For our part, there is very little propaganda that an investigation is being carried out after each bombardment, criminal cases are being instituted and sooner or later they will have to answer for it, it will not work to hide.
      1. akims
        akims 2 December 2017 00: 25 New
        0
        Namely, contract service in Ukrostan is now a very profitable business. And what if you go to serve from the enterprise you get not only the army but also your average salary. In ukrovermaht they pay incentive bonuses. They are very significant. All together comes to 20-22 thousand hryvnias for an ordinary.

        Oh well, and what do you know, as they say here in Odessa?
        What nah ... allowances when the salary cards of soldiers from the commanders? And they give out pennies - "fathers", according to their deserts, in the sense that they themselves will judge.
        By the way, "pennies", sovereign - money, and pennies - they are also pennies in Africa!
        Bonuses are one of the forms of cutting money; in reality, they do not reach ordinary soldiers.
        In Kharkov, the head (rector) of the KhUPSA (Kharkiv National University of Povitryany Forces of Ivan Kozhedub) and the head of the households were arrested. parts. Predyava - 2,5 million hryvnias (almost $ 100), i.e. pennies. What is it talking about? The country has run out of money! The KRU and the prosecutor’s office, including the army, are cowards.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 2 December 2017 09: 49 New
          +1
          Well, I don’t know who has salary cards there, but my friends who get there are paid at the place of work and at ATO.
          Regarding the general theme ... yesterday was at one event, the company was 11 people. When casually touched on politics and war, they got an interesting division. The "pro-Ukrainian" position of 7 people, 3 of them are ethnic Russians, 1 abstained, and the "pro-Russian" position of 3 people: I-root crest + the only Ukrainian-speaking + Jew in our company ... like that. They did not offer to rob and kill
  3. siberalt
    siberalt 1 December 2017 16: 12 New
    +5
    3-4% of recruits in the Armed Forces of Ukraine manage to be put under arms. The rest escaped. laughing
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 1 December 2017 16: 46 New
    +4
    To begin with, the author would decide what he writes about - the ATO is not an anti-terrorist organization, but an operation all the same. Well, I propose to the couch supporters that I hasten to sign up for LDNR volunteers - just have time to get all the laurels - the Ukrainian army is already out of breath and the call has failed, so the last “maxim” has no one to charge the tape. Go ahead for orders!
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 December 2017 17: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      ATO is not an anti-terrorist organization, but an operation.

      ATO is a war against your own people, dear, if you are so happy about the deaths of those who defend LDNR, do not be surprised that you are happy with the deaths of dill. yes
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, I propose to the couch supporters that I hasten to sign up for LDNR volunteers

      Sign up for Nazar in the Armed Forces, and even better in the "Azov" for example, there are many from Ukraine and from Russia such witty jokers. hi
    2. seti
      seti 1 December 2017 17: 29 New
      +9
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      To begin with, the author would decide what he writes about - the ATO is not an anti-terrorist organization, but an operation all the same.

      Correct punitive operation. or like this
    3. turbris
      turbris 1 December 2017 17: 31 New
      +1
      If a person somewhere made a minor mistake, it is not necessary for him to indicate "the most competent" to us, it’s understandable, what else do you need? Well, we have enough couch heroes on any topic, it’s immediately obvious that none of them served in the army or lived in a household platoon.
    4. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 3 December 2017 14: 28 New
      +1
      This “maidanutomu” would be more suitable for the “yellow-blakidny” flag.
  5. shura7782
    shura7782 1 December 2017 16: 58 New
    +2
    Theme with a beard. I recall Afghanistan and Chechnya. This is with us, no one asked, but I don’t remember anyone who wants to go there on appeal. So that they mowed as they could.
    1. turbris
      turbris 1 December 2017 17: 34 New
      0
      You see, he recalls Afghanistan and Chechnya, and how old are you dear? At that time you were in what state you were living in, it wasn’t very easy to slope, almost everyone followed the call.
      1. captain
        captain 1 December 2017 17: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: turbris
        You see, he recalls Afghanistan and Chechnya, and how old are you dear? At that time you were in what state you were living in, it wasn’t very easy to slope, almost everyone followed the call.

        I can confirm the words shura7782. I am old enough, I fought in Afghanistan myself. He did not sit in the headquarters, in the political department, in the battalion, and in other "combat" units. He was the commander of the reconnaissance and landing company in the 781 ORB 108 MSD. Then commander of 3 GSB in 181 SMEs.
        1. shura7782
          shura7782 1 December 2017 19: 29 New
          0
          ROTMISTER.
          Greetings from 263 OARE Bagram. 88-89 Jekabpils.
      2. shura7782
        shura7782 1 December 2017 18: 04 New
        +4
        The question is asked somehow high with some kind of superiority.
        If you are interested, in Afghanistan I was 28 years old - captain.
        In our regiment, this is the second, and who has a third business trip.
        In nineties, we gathered a whole company of deserters from all around us. There were times.
        1. turbris
          turbris 1 December 2017 18: 39 New
          0
          No, the question is not high, it’s just very difficult to figure out who is who on this site. A lot of bloggers who sculpt any dregs on any topic, clearly not owning the topic. I do not know about the 90s, but I have information on the draft in Afghanistan and Chechnya, it was very difficult to slope, even to the sons of high-ranking officials.
          1. shura7782
            shura7782 1 December 2017 20: 15 New
            +1
            I asked my soldiers in Afghanistan who their parents were. So it turned out that the parents are simple hard workers, only one has a mother teacher. They served with us for a year and a half immediately after training. So, we were served by one unit in which the soldiers all these and a half years lived in their cars, because there was no one to replace them with. Around the clock with a break for eating or a bath. The barracks were constantly empty, sheets could not be changed. In general, the conversation is not about that. At that time, the Navy, VV, Strategic Missile Forces and others were popular in the military enlistment office. You understand why. I wanted to say this. The Strategic Missile Forces was quoted in the Chechen company.
      3. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 2 December 2017 01: 28 New
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        Quote: turbris
        You see, he recalls Afghanistan and Chechnya, and how old are you dear? At that time you were in what state you were living in, it wasn’t very easy to slope, almost everyone followed the call.

        Habitat at the same time do not worry. When they took me away in the winter of 94, as few people served on my peers from my peers of my friends (76-77) ...
    2. Troll
      Troll 1 December 2017 19: 45 New
      +1
      I had a friend, in the military registration and enlistment office, in Afghanistan I asked myself and went through it.
  6. Irek
    Irek 1 December 2017 17: 44 New
    +2
    But how honorable it is to return a cripple and get a soccer ball from Valtsman’s hands ...
  7. Troll
    Troll 1 December 2017 19: 43 New
    0
    In the nineties, in one of the Central Asian republics, recruits were recruited at bus stops. And here in the clubs ..
    Progress and adoption of experience is evident!
  8. German Titov
    German Titov 1 December 2017 20: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: captain
    Quote: turbris
    You see, he recalls Afghanistan and Chechnya, and how old are you dear? At that time you were in what state you were living in, it wasn’t very easy to slope, almost everyone followed the call.

    I can confirm the words shura7782. I am old enough, I fought in Afghanistan myself. He did not sit in the headquarters, in the political department, in the battalion, and in other "combat" units. He was the commander of the reconnaissance and landing company in the 781 ORB 108 MSD. Then commander of 3 GSB in 181 SMEs.

    So they didn’t really ask. In our “training”, then, we left married men among the soldiers, and who had children (at least 1). This is in 1983. Later, those were sent "across the river". And among the officers and "sons of the Bons" were. By the way, very normal people.
  9. PuchkovDima
    PuchkovDima 1 December 2017 20: 29 New
    0
    poor youth - with the hands of the remnants - Russian Ukrainians - Slavs - beat Russian brothers in Russia - where many have relatives
  10. Antares
    Antares 1 December 2017 23: 43 New
    0
    if you look at the map, where should summon how much
    10 460 citizens of Ukraine are subject to conscription for military service in October-November this year.

    Most conscripts will be called in the Dnipropetrovsk (980) and Kharkov (700) regions. Least of all - in Donetsk (230), Lugansk (170) and Transcarpathian (155) regions.
    And apparently everything is always completely Russian-speaking regions and are leaders in the draft. The same Dnepropetrovsk reported on 100% implementation (by the way, most of those killed in the war are from this area)
    and Transcarpathian least of all 155- and also 100% scored. At the same time they published lists of all deviators for all waves, so they were big (thousands) Odessa, for example, five hundred draftees (550) more than Kiev (400) Kharkov almost twice as much as Kiev-700
    and one of the reasons for the unpopularity of conscription in the army is this
    Conscripts will receive one-time cash assistance from the state in the amount of 3200 UAH + 93 UAH for the preparation and conduct of the draft (excluding the cost of food and transportation). And then monthly conscripts will receive 150-250 UAH

    less than 10 dollars per month! Scholarship many times higher! The striking difference between a contract and a call for payment
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 2 December 2017 01: 39 New
      0
      Antares less than 10 dollars per month! Scholarship many times higher! The striking difference between a contract and a call for payment

      Poor, me 21 p. they paid (this was still a highly paid position, the ordinary shooter received an 18 p.), only I never saw them completely, you yourself know a new iron, toilet paper (for a long time the Soviet charters were in stock for it) from stocks, etc. for the "needs of the company", who was the ensign knows .... they need to ask where the irons go ....
      1. Antares
        Antares 2 December 2017 22: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        who was the ensign knows .... they must be asked where the irons go ....

        I think little has changed, because the Ukrainian army here is like tracing paper from society.
        As for the payment, people are taken away from work, from school, they pay them a penny, taking the time. Moreover, the payment of draftees is not just a shame to even mention, but simply humiliation for a capitalist society. For the USSR it was prestigious, for China, and prestigious and promising, and payment. In Ukraine, this is only an obligation or a sense of duty (you choose from 2 components, it depends only on yourself)
        Quote: Maverick78
        The main reason more people are taken from the eastern regions is to gloss over them in this shit.

        The eastern population density is the highest,
        however, according to this logic, Kiev should have provided the most to the draftees, however there are fewer there than in the very not densely populated Odessa region
        (where only 2 million for the entire largest region)
    2. Maverick78
      Maverick78 2 December 2017 16: 09 New
      +2
      The main reason more people are taken from the eastern regions is to gloss over them in this shit.
  11. kdakda
    kdakda 2 December 2017 12: 35 New
    0
    Let those who go to the Ukrainian army take a coffin with them, probably come in handy.
  12. artwin
    artwin 2 December 2017 15: 29 New
    0
    gunpowder dries gunpowder.
    1. dSK
      dSK 2 December 2017 16: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: artwin
      gunpowder

      "A source close to the Ukrainian president said that Petro Poroshenko has an insulin pump under his coat. The Ukrainian leader cannot be at meetings without medication for too long. In addition, Poroshenko is also forced to refuse sweets due to problems with insulin. Moreover, the general condition the health of the president of Ukraine has not yet been officially commented. " (The first Russian TV channel "Tsargrad" 09:35., 02.12.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX.) Is there enough health for a second term? hi
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 3 December 2017 16: 48 New
        +1
        Yes, yes, but in Ukraine everyone is waiting for Putin to die. In 2015, I didn’t appear in public for a week or a half, and before that I was sitting in some kind of photo in a tense pose, so they got excited.

        1. An insulin pump is such a little thing that fits quite under a shirt and not under a raincoat. The biggest detail in this pump is the display.
        2. People live for decades with diabetes and insulin addiction.
        3. From Petya’s change, for example, to Misha, nothing will change for the better.
        4. Candies for metabolic problems are generally refused in the first place, even before the start of insulin therapy.
  13. Goha meister
    Goha meister 4 December 2017 08: 36 New
    -1
    Well, yes, on the Internet, they’re scribbling, you’ll read it already, but how can you reinforce it, so right away, but it’s like that :))