A suspended sentence for torture. Why such a soft sentence?

A court verdict was issued against former Kazan police officers who were accused of torture of detainees. We are talking about Oleg Bachurov, Sergey Petikin, Alexey Petikin (brother of S. Petikin) and Eduard Bulgaria. Four police officers were accused of abuse of office in relation to Pavel Drozdov, detained in 2012 year. The detainee died in the police department.

All four, as the court found out, used physical pressure measures against Drozdov. However, the Kirov court of Kazan considered the death of Pavel Drozdov unrelated to these "measures of physical influence." Representatives of the injured party and the prosecutor asked the real terms for the defendants - 16 years in prison. However, the court decided that the defendants deserve a milder punishment - and also a conditional one.

From the message RIA News:

Sergei Petikin was sentenced to four years in prison, Alexey Petikin, Eduard Bolgarov and Oleg Bachurov were sentenced to three years and six months each. All of them were sentenced conditionally with a probation period of three years. The court also imposed an additional penalty on everyone in the form of deprivation of the right to hold positions in law enforcement agencies for three years.

Recall that Pavel Drozdov served as deputy director of the Kazan Railway Railway Technical School. He was taken to the police station for petty hooliganism. According to the statements of Pavel Drozdov's relatives, he was beaten by five policemen, having previously tied up in a “swallow” pose. A man suffering from problems with blood vessels, died of cardiac arrest. The fifth policeman involved in the crime was Andrei Markunin. In his relation, the criminal case was closed due to the death of the suspect.

Comments

[Million]

Capitalism and a market economy. Judges also like to eat and live beautifully.

[1331M]

This, and the good old “raven will not peck out the raven’s eye” no one canceled again ...

[Shurik70]

In all honesty, now we need to investigate the judges. And also in relation to the court. Medical expert.
For murder with torture - a suspended sentence. Explicit bribery and violation of the law.

[Shura Perm]

it’s really rubbish in Kazan, and not the employees who work, I, as a former resident of Kazan, know this firsthand

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Shurik70

In all honesty, now we need to investigate the judges. And also in relation to the court. Medical expert.

And why be surprised if we have "drunk" little boys of foreign cars of drug addicts "knock down"?

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Shurik70

In all honesty, now we need to investigate the judges ...

Not only in conscience, but also in law.

[Woland]

The law is for the people. And for those in power, concepts! In general, no matter how sad, without Stalin, nowhere

[Warrior with machine gun]

joke, please, who will let you conduct some kind of investigation in the most corrupt industry, for any sane person the entire judicial system inspires confidence by 0,0%, so nothing new, they covered the bastards, the law is not for them, they need it only for personal gain , therefore, these "laws" work so selectively

[Slovak]

There would be a principled and decent IC, all five in the company with a judge should be in prison for life.

[Vasya_Piterskiy]

I immediately remembered the film "Law-abiding citizen."

[Anarchist]

Here it is - the rule of law! Hit in the face - sat! Tortured people - escaped with a suspended sentence ...
And hit with hot, rashly! And they tortured with intent, a group of persons, by prior conspiracy ...

[kepmor]

recently sentenced the guy to 12 years of "strict worker" for hitting the cop in the face with a drunk ... humanely, damn it ...

[St Petrov]

recently sentenced the guy to 12 years of "strict worker" for hitting the cop in the face with a drunk ... humanely, damn it ...

did the right thing. On ukroin, you can, however, gouge out the eyes of a policeman and everything is fine. Still gusik runs hanging out

raised his hand to the policeman - be prepared to bear serious punishment.

And on the topic of the article - busting of course. But the work is like that, when you work with dirt, some concepts atrophy. No video - I can not judge. How the actions were provoked. But I had to punish it

[x.andvlad]

Quote: s-t Petrov

But I had to punish it

This is how to understand more? Do you think that this is a punishment for intentionally torturing and, in essence, killing a person by a group of cops during execution?
The court also assigned everyone an additional punishment in the form of deprivation of the right to occupy positions in law enforcement agencies for three years.
Yes, it was not punished, but scolded! In general, it would be a joke, if these thugs could also be served in the bodies, having a suspended sentence.
And after three years, these wrecks can put on epaulets again. I'm bastard, dear edition !!!

“A man in handcuffs is no longer a man.” quote from the movie “Voroshilovsky shooter”

[nik-karata]

And after three years, these wrecks can put on epaulets again.

Do not say nonsense! Your comment is read by many people! Read the police law! They will never wear epaulettes ...

[x.andvlad]

Dear, you do not understand the irony? Sorry...
The conclusion that in three years they can (formally) put on epaulettes follows from the so-called wording. "additional" punishment. This causes irony.

[nik-karata]

I regret that I did not understand the irony ...

[St Petrov]

This is how to understand more? Do you think that this is a punishment for intentionally torturing and, in essence, killing a person by a group of cops during execution?

pozhoshche is a strict worker. and many years.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: s-t Petrov

pozhoshche is a strict worker. and many years.

And preferably in a common cell with those whom they detained.

[St Petrov]

for them a separate prison like

[urman]

In the veterinarian hospital and as rabid animals, put them to sleep.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: s-t Petrov

did the right thing. On ukroin, you can, however, gouge out the eyes of a policeman and everything is fine. Still gusik runs hanging out
raised his hand to the policeman - be prepared to bear serious punishment.

Our dark side seems

Dark forest, windbreak and owls.

Not everyone dares to wander here

And wandered - so pants do not urine.

Not far from the river Kukueva,

With a simple shoulder knot

There was a man from Orekhovo to Zuevo,

One prominent way to him.
He was repairing rotten roofs for people,
He built a bridge over the river.
And the flowers seem to have become obsolete,
Blossomed before him in full growth.
He treated those who suffer without smoking,
Hung over spring water.
There was a man from Orekhovo to Zuevo,
Strong, kind, funny, pockmarked.
Grandmothers and grandfathers pulled out turnips,
Taught sparrows to speak,
He rinsed the unbaptized with water,
The bins filled to the brim.
One thought flashed in his brain,
Like a spring victory salute:
Pass on to the glorious inhabitants of Zuevo,
They are loved and awaited in Orekhov.
He has come a long way
Bast shoes, blisters on my feet,
All clothes in dust, sunken cheeks,
But two pink happiness in the eyes.
And when the path came to the end of it,
He lay down in the boundary strip ...
A man was shot dead by Zuevo,
Not everyone loves Orekhovskys there.

[Mu Dialer]

Petrov
You're so clever...
For a blow to the face 12 years of the zone
And for torture and murder conditional ...

[St Petrov]

For a blow to the face 12 years of the zone

I think so. Although these can be shot on the spot. But I think the lesson is enough. 12 years is a good time to think

And for torture and murder conditional ...

I think a little and you can planer. but we were not there, we did not see what was there.

[Mu Dialer]

You, a fool, were shot on the spot ...

[St Petrov]

me? I don’t jump on cops. I think with my head.

Shoot yourself in the head, champion of freedom and lawlessness

Like to extinguish the police? Drive to Ukraine, shoot the police. Or is it more comfortable for you in a Russian girl because lawlessness is much less?



It is necessary to show here what the police in the USA are doing with those who are trying to register them in the head?

Such need to shoot. And then it gives rise to such conversations and indignation - that for hitting a police officer in prison

Is it a defective medal to give out? "For the fight against the police"

But it will be released in 12 years, and the police will bypass the party and there will be no more thoughts to sway at representatives of the law. Still alive as a bonus stayed. So that's fine.

[Mu Dialer]

You think with your ass, not your head ...

[St Petrov]

Well then, voiced Mood, tell me what will happen after the extinguishing policeman escapes with a slight fright, rather than a strict one for 12 years?

Kick the cop will become a new national fun? In the country of chanson lovers.

Turn on your head, simulate the development of events. After all, you think don’t * sing?

[Mu Dialer]

Just a fact - for torture and murder conditional, but for "in the face" 12 years of the zone.

[St Petrov]

Just a fact - for torture and murder conditional, but for "in the face" 12 years of the zone.

in both cases chaos. Everyone should be punished.

[asiat_61]

College teacher, petty hooliganism ......

[Warrior with machine gun]

and a policeman can raise his hands and feet when he counts, how many times he has come across the fact that these faces climb with their crusts everywhere, even without being at the time of execution, and if the notion of a person at execution atrophied, then a tail wind will retire on a citizen, but you won’t be able to tear off these ..... from the feeder, and they can’t do more than nichrome except to use their official position for personal needs.

[user]

Quote: s-t Petrov

But the work is like that, when you work with dirt, some concepts atrophy.

That is why they also call garbage and do not jump out of cowards the next time that the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Internal Affairs compare and say that this is another service.

[210ox]

This person could have been shot and killed by the prisoners. This is to the fact that we ourselves do not respect the law .. However, like him we are.

Quote: kepmor

recently sentenced the guy to 12 years of "strict worker" for hitting the cop in the face with a drunk ... humanely, damn it ...

[Alex Justice]

And if you pinch a policeman, how many years will they give?

[Baloo]

Quote: Alex Justice

And if you pinch a policeman, how many years will they give?

For life, since it involves special cynicism

[demo]

Great poems.
Who is author?
Although ............ Folk music, the same words.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Anarchist

Here it is - the rule of law! Hit in the face - sat! Tortured people - escaped with a suspended sentence ... And hit with hot, thoughtlessly! And they tortured with intent, a group of persons, by prior conspiracy ...

So people think about Robin Hoods and Lynch ships. At us, under Yanukovych, it was similar in the Nikolaev area. The people gathered and cops pissed. And the prosecutor’s office had to react.

[Mu Dialer]

After 30 years of hard work, live as you did under Yanukovych.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Mu Dialer

After 30 years of hard work, live as you did under Yanukovych.

Do not be ironic. Speak on the topic.

[Mu Dialer]

Where did you see the irony here? I did not put a smiley face.
Well, maybe in 40 years you’ll live like under Yanukovych, I’ve always been an optimist. Or rather, never wake up - I’m saying this as a realist.

[210ox]

Good afternoon, Alexander! What respect can we have for the law? If the person himself is not respected, this very “law” has a selective effect.

Quote: Anarchist

Here it is - the rule of law! Hit in the face - sat! Tortured people - escaped with a suspended sentence ...
And hit with hot, rashly! And they tortured with intent, a group of persons, by prior conspiracy ...

[Mu Dialer]

210ox
Do not go, roads are built excellent, this is the first.
Pension rates, almost.
With smoking and obscenities do not need to be bothered?

[Anarchist]

Quote: Mu Diazwon

With smoking and obscenities do not need to be bothered?

Before changing the floor, first straighten the roof! So here - before you make up - wash your face!

[Mu Dialer]

I don’t understand, are you painting?

[Anarchist]

No need to blunt, it was an analogy! - the fight against obscenities should become a cherry on the cake! And if the cake is sour?
First you need to put things in order so that you do not want to swear!

[Mu Dialer]

I do not agree, lawlessness comes from the bottom.
Impunity breeds permissiveness.

[Anarchist]

Confusion and poverty Lead to crime! Outrages of power, whether legislative, executive or whatever, lead to anarchy! And not to the one that I represent, But to the one that you represent - outrage!

[evsyukov_a]

This is with a fright? When the order is at the top - by the bottom it will be by definition.

[sharp-lad]

Mat as part of, and considerable, Russian culture must at least protect and cherish! If you exclude the mat from people's speech .... then I will have inexplicable pauses between numb words! B ....!

[210ox]

It was also necessary to steal the lard, would be generally "heroes" .. and in chocolate ..

Quote: Million

Capitalism and a market economy. Judges also like to eat and live beautifully.

[Jedi]

Dmitry, welcome! But we laugh at American justice, justifying the police killers ... Where are we going?

[210ox]

Maxim, good afternoon! By the way about them, mattresses .. Their law is harsher and harsher than punishment .. Regarding the cops. And who of the respectable did they shoot? And they are not afraid to use weapons, everything is spelled out there, and citizens know what is in front of you armed servant of the law and it must be respected as well as respect the law itself .. Yes, and they have all kinds of jambs and in court too. But they won’t erase the matter there because you are “your own”.

[Jedi]

Quote: 210ox

And which of the respectable did they shoot?

Go to YouTube and type in a search engine "lawlessness of the police in decaying America" ​​- there are lots of videos there.

[210ox]

Maxim, I treat the United States as our enemies. But about their cops and how they act, my attitude is certainly not supportive, but worthy of respect

[Jedi]

Quote: 210ox

I treat the USA as our enemies

Similarly.

Quote: 210ox

attitude certainly not supportive, but worthy of respect

Respect your opponent is worthy. But I’m sure that the USA will not answer us the same.

[210ox]

Yes, they won’t answer. We don’t need it. I want to add in our country. Here I cut people crazy .. He’s surrounded by three policemen in the video. He’s with a knife and they are dancing around. I hope that these ministers no longer work. .A one had to shoot on the spot. Or the policeman got drunk ... They gave me twelve years, it’s lucky. And I had to get a bullet. I myself am both drunk and drunk, but for some reason I am not drawn to such adventures .. So people generally no brakes.

Quote: Jedi

Quote: 210ox

I treat the USA as our enemies

Similarly.

Quote: 210ox

attitude certainly not supportive, but worthy of respect

Respect your opponent is worthy. But I’m sure that the USA will not answer us the same.

[Jedi]

Quote: 210ox

So people generally have no brakes.

Unfortunately, it is not written on the forehead as this individual has with the brakes. But this is not a reason to shoot from the time sheet in every suspicious? Otherwise, I agree.

[Greenwood]

And for the most part, blacks are wet there. And to the blacks a special relationship.

[Jedi]

Quote: Greenwood

And for the most part, Negroes are being wetted there. And to the Negroes a special attitude.

Yes, and this is in the freest country in the world.

[Anarchist]

Max, great!
In general, do not care what happens in the United States or some other country, when this happens in my country!
About the orders in other countries, I will begin to think only when everything in my homeland is going to work out! Ie never, probably! It's a pity!
But I will be to this ...

[Jedi]

Hi Sasha! Yes, I also do not care in the United States, I gave them as an example. And you can’t see the end of the mess yet, you're right ...

[Greenwood]

Well, the fact that blacks are being wet is not at all an indication of the poor performance of the cops. Negro neighborhoods in the United States are hotbeds of crime, where a normal person is better off not appearing. Therefore, any black raises many times more suspicion and quite reasonably than white.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Jedi

Yes, and this is in the freest country in the world.

Negroes commit most of all serious crimes - murder, robbery, drug trafficking and others. Why be surprised and say "and there the Negroes lynch the innocent." As they relate to society and the police, so do they to them.
But yes, there are excesses there in relation to this.

[sharp-lad]

But if you look closely, then African-Americans, the common people - blacks themselves created this situation.

[Weyland]

Quote: 210ox

And which of the respectable did they shoot?

12 year old kid with toy automatically, for example

[siberalt]

Haha It turns out that police can be tortured, but without exceeding authority, in other words, not to death!

[ids]

These are the machinations of the State Department and Geyropa.

[Mu Dialer]

You have much worse, streamline!

[Grandfather]

A suspended sentence for torture. Why such a soft sentence?

[Mu Dialer]

Cops messed around and under the Soviets.

[Doliva63]

Give examples or so, fart on the tips?

[Mordvin 3]

Unfortunately, there are examples. The most sensational, perhaps, is the assassination of a KGB major by Interior Ministry officials.

[Baloo]

А

Quote: Mordvin 3

Doliva63 Today, 17: 01 ↑
Give examples or so, fart on the tips?

Quote: Mordvin 3

Mordvin 3 Today, 20:39 PM ↑ New
Unfortunately, there are examples. The most sensational, perhaps - the assassination of a KGB major
police officers.

And there you have it. The end of the 70s, in a cafe, a wedding with friends. after 23.00 the musicians began to demand surcharge. A discussion ensued between the father of the groom and the musicians. A short-haired little captain drew up with epaulettes and a cap, from which he smashed with a fume. When he saw the professor’s certificate, he walked away. He crept up behind me and began methodically from behind to beat me on the kidneys with his fists, although I stood at a distance and did not participate in the discussion. Provoked a fight, I did not immediately understand. The girls reacted earlier, fenced me off of him. Or one more thing: graduation in 1980. Restaurant Akcharlak. In the shadow of a police outfit. Two guys came out, they behaved calmly, did not stagger, did not shout, but there were only two of them. Cops pounced, started to twist. It was lucky that a large group came out, they did not let me go. Another: in the same restaurant after a few days of graduation from the military school. The same story, two newly-made officers came out and the cops came out of the shadows again, it was lucky that a group came out with the girls who raised a cry. I can tell you how provocations were arranged for me, but why? And so it’s understandable that some lousy creep concocted fables, a man got into a file cabinet, hung a label, and then they would send it automatically until his death.
I do not argue, as in any profession, there are worthy people among the police who honestly and conscientiously do their job, on which we people can rely. But in general ... Negativity prevails, such is the truth of life.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Balu

MORE: in the same restaurant after a few days of graduation of the military school

100% understand. But, I note - when we walked graduation, we were afraid to come up with cops)

[sharp-lad]

You are not graduated from DShB?

[iouris]

Quote: Million

Capitalism and a market economy.

This has nothing to do with the first or the second. This is related to the degradation of state structures and their attitude to the population. If this is the case, then, in fact, a felony has been committed and treason.

[Gradus HuK]

Million Today, 12:38 God created people weak and strong, and Colonel Colt equalized their chances. ”To live with wolves is like a wolf howl.

[Svarog]

The most humane court in the world ...))

[scrap123]

As they say money is not necessary to mind ....

[Vitas]

A guy walked up and got out of bed and wanted to piss, so they capitalized .... a hooligan.

[siberalt]

Gaidai would know that in our better life the accused and the defendants, even women and minors, will be handcuffed, and in the courts they will arrange cells with bars for holding people (like cattle), whose fault has not yet been established by a court verdict.

[sharp-lad]

Well, the law prohibits casting, but it does not prohibit the installation of toilets !!! Well this is pure provocation, for which those responsible must answer in all severity ..., but there is no law!

[Mu Dialer]

Cool shot!

[rotmistr60]

There’s nothing to even say about this. If it’s proved that they beat, the person died and such a soft punishment (even with an unintentional murder), then probably the surname also has “Petikin”?

[Mu Dialer]

For killing a suspended sentence.
"Stumble."
I don’t like cops: there is a lot of information about their “exploits”, and I personally encountered it more than once (I’m not a criminal).

[scrap123]

neither are all the same

[Mu Dialer]

Yes, but everyone is forced to adapt to the system, well, like in the army, under "hazing," even if you personally and a good person somehow adapt to these rules, or you survive.

[passing]

The system was broken, cruel. AND

Mu Dialer

these are not cops, these are cops. If about 20 years ago the system still squeezed obvious bribe takers, traitors were sent to hospitals and dismissed of their own free will, but now this is the norm.
In 90 years, the unfortunate PPSnik in the region worked as a watchman on his day off, such a howl rose up to dismissal. And in the capital, in uniform, during working hours, sometimes with service weapons, they were guarded by taverns, a casino, saunas and norms. Only give jobs traded. No wonder the police idea of ​​the capital all the dirt in the regions from her

[Baloo]

All four, as the court found out, used physical pressure measures against Drozdov. However, the Kirov court of Kazan considered the death of Pavel Drozdov unrelated to these "measures of physical influence." Representatives of the injured party and the prosecutor asked the real terms for the defendants - 16 years in prison. However, the court decided that the defendants deserve a milder punishment - and also a conditional one.

I do not think that this is only a “Kazan phenomenon”, although this case is not the only one that we had to deal with in reality and not only in the 90s.
But here is a fresh picture from life: Foster peace. A guy with a cap, the registrar waves, asks the patient in which department. They politely answer him that you need to go through the main entrance, undress to put on shoe covers, they will tell you where the patient is in the help desk. Cop, I'll go from here. Trying to stop: you are at a sensitive facility, trying to walk past the operating room in street shoes and clothes. In response: "I'm from the police (!)", In what! He’s from the police, he’s all for a tomato.
So you say law and order? no, I haven’t.

[Normal ok]

However, the Kirov court of Kazan considered the death of Pavel Drozdov unrelated to these “physical measures”. Representatives of the injured party and the prosecutor asked the real terms for the defendants - 16 years of the colony. However, the court decided that the defendants deserve a milder sentence - and conditional

The door to the cave of a citizen - does not need a "sisame" (((They can work it out for everyone.

[Mu Dialer]

This and other cases is a shame for Putin personally, one way or another he has been in power for 17 years.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Mu Dialer

This and other cases is a shame for Putin personally, one way or another he has been in power for 17 years.

At my doorway, the navalnitsa pumped up the stairs near the mailboxes. This is a shame for Putin personally, one way or another, he has been in power for 17 years.

[Mu Dialer]

Dyrap or what?

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Mu Dialer

Dyrap or what?

Who are you talking about? Please clarify. Of course, I intuitively guess, but I would like to clarify.

[Baloo]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

Quote: Mu Dialer

This and other cases is a shame for Putin personally, one way or another he has been in power for 17 years.

At my doorway, the navalnitsa pumped up the stairs near the mailboxes. This is a shame for Putin personally, one way or another, he has been in power for 17 years.

What does it have to do with it GDP? This is a shame for Medvedev

[Greenwood]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

In my doorway, the navalnitsa got hot

Are you sure it was piled high? Perhaps a chemical analysis of the excrement was needed. Suddenly they were Nashi or members of the "All-Russian Popular Front." And maybe even:

[leonardo_1971]

I have big doubts that they took and just began to torture, moreover they usually knit a swallow when a person is violent or wants to do harm to himself. Most likely the police are not to blame. And they make monsters out of them.

[Mu Dialer]

C'mon ... We know these "innocent" cops.
As people say: "filthy cops."

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Mu Diazwon

As people say: "filthy cops."

And when you meet 10 gopniks with knives in the gateway, will you die silently? Or, nevertheless, "Miliyiiiyayaayaya !!!!!!" scream?

[sharp-lad]

I'll try to strangle at least one.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: leonardo_1971

I have big doubts that they took and just began to torture, moreover they usually knit a swallow when a person is violent or wants to do harm to himself. Most likely the police are not to blame. And they make monsters out of them.

You can have a drink tonight so that you pass this fate. But it may not be lucky, you’ll find yourself in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and you may be swallowed ...
It’s not from the police that they make monsters, but from five bastards who killed a person. In order for the people to sincerely love and respect the police, they (the police) need to get rid of their bastards quickly, mercilessly and publicly. And when they give conditional sentences for aggravated murders, then the police will be despised and hated. PRS had to intervene in the trial and prevent pressure on judges. Looks like they did not intervene, and the judges surrendered and went on a malfeasance.

[old rats]

So that people love and respect the police?
The police are designed to enforce the law and punish for non-compliance.
Who in their right mind would love her? Which dog likes a stick?
Do not love them. It’s just that you must comply with the laws and not be smart.
Comments in the spirit of "let's put them in prison!" half a kilometer, as if everyone saw with their own eyes what was happening there.
Adult people seem to be.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: old rats

So that people love and respect the police?
The police are designed to enforce the law and punish for non-compliance.
Who in their right mind would love her? Which dog likes a stick?

But I’m not only old, but also smart, and I have a good memory. I remember how people generally treated the police (not among the lesson). Well treated. "My police protects me!" - for this and respected. And I really want it to not go into the irrevocable past.

Quote: old rats

Do not love them. It’s just that you have to follow the laws and not be smart.

It seems that this was written by an old warder with three classes of education.

[Mu Dialer]

The title of the article is incomplete: for murder and torture.

[Mu Dialer]

Body and mind ...

Minus 6 diopters from elementary school.
Overweight (per hundred)
VUS aviation (not needed in the Donbass).
Three times a machine gun shot in the army
Cowardly character

So I did not go.

[kepmor]

well, of course ... "they didn’t touch" ... the summer of 97, SF, the village of Olenya-Guba, senior fellow SKK-navigator MPK-10 was detained by the teaching staff for being drunk in the garrison around midnight. ..in 3 of the night dies in a "prison" from reflex cardiac arrest (stab in the sternum) -conclusion of SME ...
KolFL command and SF observers ... decided not to quarrel with the cops ...
cargo-200 relatives ... they say fell, hit ... PPSnikov transferred to a new duty station ...
so you are still lucky with the authorities ...

[Normal ok]

Quote: kepmor

well, of course ... "they didn’t touch" ... the summer of 97, SF, the village of Olenya-Guba, senior fellow SKK-navigator MPK-10 was detained by the teaching staff for being drunk in the garrison around midnight. ..in 3 of the night dies in a "prison" from reflex cardiac arrest (stab in the sternum) -conclusion of SME ...
KolFL command and SF observers ... decided not to quarrel with the cops ...
cargo-200 relatives ... they say fell, hit ... PPSnikov transferred to a new duty station ...
so you are still lucky with the authorities ...

This also happened, unfortunately. But, our regiment was in good relations with the local police department. So, if they took ours drunk, then not for long. And softly. And there were no commandant patrols in our area at all. Because we exposed them ourselves)))

[afrikanez]

Quote: Shurik70

In all honesty, now we need to investigate the judges. And also in relation to the court. Medical expert.
For murder with torture - a suspended sentence. Explicit bribery and violation of the law.

In conscience, it’s time to put the whole of Tatarstan with cancer!

[Baloo]

Quote: afrikanez

In conscience, it’s time to put the whole of Tatarstan with cancer!

No matter how the Tatarstan people put you ... and they didn’t send a forest with a flag in their hands ...

[Sergey53]

If they really condemn people from their system, imagine what will happen?

[asiat_61]

Quote: 210ox

This person could have been shot and killed by the prisoners. This is to the fact that we ourselves do not respect the law .. However, like him we are.

Quote: kepmor

recently sentenced the guy to 12 years of "strict worker" for hitting the cop in the face with a drunk ... humanely, damn it ...

Cops lie on the law, and I have to comply with it?

[Alex66]

It seems that the judges acted on an order, as they say the way is the spoon for the elections and they are afraid of nothing that they are not dependent in their lifetime, we have no case law. The main thing is all according to the law. And it would be necessary for the authorities to intervene in order to reassure the people, but it is impossible for themselves (or the kids) to find themselves in a similar situation.

[Herculesic]

As always, impunity breeds permissiveness, or vice versa, permissiveness breeds impunity! They say that the fish rots from the head, but it happens that the whole fish rots at a different speed. ...

[ratfly]

Wrote here. No one has seen the case materials. The circumstances of the incident were studied by the court and a bunch of investigators. Police now do not regret (consumables) are drained at a time. The article was written for the cry of "offenders." What can you say when the drunken deputy shipbuilding sharaga with poor health dies in your arms when you are going to help him. What can you tell relatives when they scream that it was you who beat the sufferer.

[evsyukov_a]

The key word is "die." What can we say about power when we ourselves do not hold our neighbor for a man ...

[Baloo]

Quote: ratfly

What can you tell relatives when they scream that it was you who beat the sufferer.

Those who had drunk were obliged to provide medical assistance, at least a call to the psychiatric team, if he was violent.

[corporal]

Quote: Balu

The drunk were obliged to provide medical assistance

Which and by whom? According to the "smart" decision of the highest ranks, the sobering-up stations have been abolished even with me.
And the “03” stopped drunk just in the 2000s.

[Baloo]

Quote: Corporal

And the “03” stopped drunk just in the 2000s.

All ambulance calls are recorded automatically.

[old rats]

Well, yes, I’m looking at legal experts gathered here, why do they need case files? They already know everything.

[aikon1974]

To the count of these ghouls, from the law.

[seacap]

This is such a system, a monolith, especially in the regions and national districts. Administration, judicial, law enforcement agencies, everything is folded into a monolith, with mutual responsibility and family, friendly ties, everything serves to get the dough, and the feeder is one, the estate is one thing. And judges in general we are outside the law, untouchable, so whatever they want, they’ll turn it off and you won’t do anything here. The whole system lives its own life, according to its own rules, and at the head of everything is loot and complete impunity. Hence, we have mars spitting on laws, and officials sawing budgets.

[nemec55]

While you walk without stepping on this garbage you are lucky but God forbid stumble somewhere

[Lars971a]

I read the article and all the comments. I can add only one thing, it’s bad with the police and it’s impossible without her. The police that flew from Mars, no ............

[Luga]

Not too lazy, I looked for materials on the process in court. Found, for example, this. https://www.idelreal.org/a/28842755.html
Unfortunately, the conclusion of the forensic expert, which could affect the verdict, is unlikely to be published. Nevertheless, certain conclusions can be drawn.
1. The victim is a troubled man, physically strong, aggressive, and what is called “no brakes”.
2. About the murder, i.e. "intentionally causing death “there can be no talk, in the peak case“ causing death by negligence. ”But there is also a problem. Negligence, as a form of guilt in this case, implies that employees could and should have assumed the possibility of Drozdov's death as a result of their actions. in the case file there is no information that the accused knew about any illnesses of the victim, a weak heart, etc., then negligence also will not pass.
3. Only art. 286 KU RF "Excess of official authority", anyone can see in the Criminal Code. Here the composition is obvious, but even in the most rigorous third part, the article provides for three to ten years. And it is necessary to prove either the onset of grave consequences, or the use of special equipment or violence. Handcuffs were used as special equipment; there was violence (a “relaxing” blow). The grave consequences cannot be proved, since the expert’s conclusion did not confirm the connection between the “swallow” and Drozdov’s death.
4. It is surprising why the defendants did not write a report and did not try to bring a case against the victim for disobeying the lawful demand of a police officer when the victim began to make noise in the cell. Then the actions of employees would be suitable for the suppression of unlawful actions and their illegality in general could be called into question.
Total output.
Final qualification by item "a", "b" h. 3 Art. 286 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (from three to ten), without grave consequences. Further, extenuating circumstances, characteristics, petitions, a study of the identity of the victim, the accused, marital status, etc., in short, the work of lawyers ... The final result does not surprise me and, moreover, does not outrage me.
Apparently, the prosecutor wanted to impute the murder, since he demanded 16 years. One thing can be said - even from all the press reports outraged by the "police lawlessness", I did not find anything to catch on to impute a different, heavier article than 286.
Individual questions may be to an expert. But even if it was possible to prove the connection between the pose of a swallow and a heart attack, on the qualification article, this would not affect, only the measure of punishment, and this is at the discretion of the court.

[Baloo]

Quote: Luga

But even if it were possible to prove the connection between the pose of a swallow and a heart attack, on the qualification article, this would not affect, only the measure of punishment, and this is at the discretion of the court.

Did you do boxing or martial arts? In the mid-90s, he examined a young man at the emergency room. Released from ATC. On the front surface of the chest there is one continuous bruise the size of 2 palms. It turned out that they were beating a kiosk in the basement of the Department of Internal Affairs. Even with a trained person, a good blow to the sternum knocks not only breathing, but also the rhythm of the heart. The insidiousness of a heart injury is that there is no clear clinic. A competent doctor, can direct you to an ultrasound or MRI, you can see. And the ECG, whatever they write, will not show anything specific for a heart injury. In one such case, a 50-year-old male retired marine officer plopped into an accident. There were no fractures of the ribs. Died after 3 months bypassing the stars in our city. At autopsy: the heme of the myocardial atom began to dissolve, fluid grew in the heart bag and caused tamponade. It was getting harder and harder for the heart to explain + for a long time.
But so that 4 trained men could not cope with one drunk? When the patient went wild in my training center and refused to communicate, I used a simple trick, which is widespread among Asian policemen of the Far East and Southeast. Take your upper or lower lip with your index finger and 1 finger and begin to massage. After a couple of minutes, the client is ripe for communication and quite articulate reports the name, address and so on. What is the trick? Under the nose on the upper lip and lower lip closer to the chin are biologically active points. In the French literature on acupuncture, they are listed among the other 20 points of "first aid" for loss of consciousness.

[Luga]

Quote: Balu

Did you do boxing or martial arts?

In his youth he played at the Leningrad Sambo Championship, but what?
As for the rest, that you wrote, in general, I agree, the heart is an insidious mechanism. But in this case, we are dealing with autopsy and forensic research materials. Hematomas and micro-fractures, which can still occur from beatings, are determined during an autopsy, I know for sure. If you are hinting that one of the employees possessed special techniques of delivering some kind of special strokes leading to a cardiac arrest after some time ... Such strokes are unknown to science, although rumors are circulating about them regularly ... Well then you have to look intent, motive, to prove that the accused had both time and opportunity to deliver such a blow out of sight of cameras, etc. And all this should be done precisely by the prosecution. Since this has not been done, then even the UPC has not found it necessary to do this.
If the expert has not established a causal relationship between the actions of the employees and the death of the victim, then she either was not there, or he is interested in hiding it, but without his conclusion, no court will pass a corresponding sentence, i.e., the questions will not be brought to court. But even if the expert had concluded that the person died precisely from the “swallow”, this would have had little effect on the final legal qualification of the act, since police officers should not and could not have known about the victim’s health problems.

[Baloo]

Quote: Luga

If you are hinting that one of the employees possessed special techniques of delivering some special strokes, leading to a cardiac arrest after some time ... Such strokes are unknown to science, although rumors are circulating about them regularly ...

One blow to the shock zone, and even to the abdomen, is enough to cause respiratory arrest, lack of oxygen-spasm of the coronary arteries of the heart, even worse oxygen supply, pressure drop, poor blood supply to the respiratory center and the cardiovascular center in the brain and All counts for minutes. Especially in the position of fixation with a swallow. And what, such a fixation is regulated by orders and service instructions?
I agree that it is difficult to reason here without an autopsy protocol. The question is in the eligibility of the actions of police officers. Traumatologists also have to deal with especially violent patients, and accompanying. On me myself, how many times did I even tear my robe and what was not there for more than 30 years. Nothing, coped.

[Luga]

Quote: Balu

The question is in the eligibility of the actions of police officers.

So they were condemned. So, they recognized the actions as unauthorized.

Quote: Balu

And what, such a fixation is regulated by orders and service instructions?

As far as I know, no. Therefore, their actions are unlawful.
And blows always leave traces, if we don’t talk about such legendary oriental techniques unknown to science, remember, at least the legends about the death of Bruce Lee ...

[Baloo]

Quote: Luga

And blows always leave traces, if we don’t talk about such legendary oriental techniques unknown to science, remember, at least the legends about the death of Bruce Lee ..

One of the versions (translation of the reprint in "The Peer" of the 70s: on the set of a sparing partner, an old Chinese man hit a head. If in the chin area there is a sharp tipping of the head, tension of the carotid arteries, their spasm is a spasm of the cerebral arteries with all the ensuing consequences. If in the facial skull, with a fracture, followed by intracranial and intracerebral hemorrhage, if the forehead is a bruise of the brain with diffuse axonal syndrome (multiple detachments of the nerve processes from neurons) and intracerebral hemorrhages, etc. There was a chance for assistance.
According to another version, prolonged headaches (hygroma or hr. Intracranial or intracerebral hematoma) - overdose of medications. With competent instrumental examination and timely surgical treatment, there were chances.
The case that we are considering is more relevant to the definition of-leaving in danger. In Soviet times, after several similar cases, we, the students, were voluntarily forced to watch the police for some time. I once had to watch. The police saw a man sleeping in a tram (time after 23.00). He was quite adequate, did not stagger, calmly and politely talked. So no, they took him out of the tram and into the detoxification center. Nobody began to listen to my timid objections. The end of the month, the plan is on fire. In the detoxification nurse measures the pressure, a glass sample (a person is allowed to exhale into a glass). the chief did not listen to her and my objections, "they were hospitalized." The man was so tired, apparently on his feet for the second day, lay down and immediately fell asleep. In the mornings, as usual, a receipt, a few days later a letter to work, then deprivation of the bonus, party meeting or trade union committee. Like this. And now what, doctors are not on duty at the police department? Bad, it is necessary to puzzle candidates for this question, let them decide.

[old rats]

Comrade "Luga", your comment is the most competent of the whole kilometer ...
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[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Luga

The final result does not surprise me and, moreover, does not outrage ...
... Some questions may be to the expert. But even if it were possible to prove the connection between the pose of a swallow and a heart attack, on the qualification article, this would not affect, only the measure of punishment, and this is at the discretion of the court.

You are here to train for free in protecting your clothes from fair retribution. Everything is working out for you. You can already work in reality. A kind of omnivorous and professional indifference. As if he and your loved ones are insured against getting into such millstones. That’s why they don’t like you and despise the people.

[Luga]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

That’s why they don’t like you and despise the people.

Those who shout “Land!” If they were in the place of these policemen would execute people on the spot, guided exclusively by “revolutionary legal consciousness”. Internal conviction shows that someone is guilty - to cook him without pity and compassion. And people like me are just trying to figure out if it is guilty. You personally and your kind (whom you call people for no reason) may not love me and despise me for as long as your opinion doesn’t matter to me from the word "completely", because, believe me, I answer you the same and to the same extent . But when such figures come to me and ask: “Misha, help, figure it out, advise”, their aplomb and ambition disappear somewhere (I’ll explain right away that I’m not a lawyer, I have never been to them and I’m not going to) and they are happy and relieved they rely on my, as you say, “professional indifference”, which I call professionalism and impartiality.

[corporal]

In order not to breed a doggie, I just insert a comment from the forum of the Ministry of Internal Affairs employees:

The cause of death is acute heart failure. Abrasions of the arms and shoulders could form before being placed in the chamber. Or once knocked on the cell door. Binding is used to stop rioting and prevent the possibility of self-injury. What the hell is the crime. The fact that the detainee did not know cardiovascular diseases and could not know if he was whipping vodka in a cafe.
The fucking position of the TFR and the Prosecutor's Office did not stop the case on the cops, all to court. Dokazuhi zero, composition zero, water and conditionally. destinies were broken for people from departmental ambitions. Still whores journalistic pour oil, oh father of 4 children. This did not stop him from eating vodka in a cafe and coming home drunk. Deputy Director of a technical school for AXO. The salary is cheap. Where did you get the money?
And all in one gate. The cops are to blame. Nasty damn it.

And the second after:

And in the same article, it’s so bluntly said:
Quote:
After the incident, republican investigators opened a criminal case several times, but did not find corpus delicti in the actions of the police. The investigation was carried out by employees of the central office of the TFR, who brought the case to court.
If we consider that this situevina itself occurred in 2012, then apparently everything was so.

[Baloo]

corporal

Binding is used to stop rioting and prevent the possibility of self-injury. What the hell is the crime.

Respected corporal, doctors also sometimes have to fix patients in an unconscious state in intensive care. But this is issued by the VC signed by the duty officer and two doctors. After this, a psychiatric team is called up, which confirms the need for mechanical fixation. Further, after 12 hours, a psychiatrist consultation every 12 hours to confirm the need. So according to the rules. But so that 4 hefty adults trained as cop cops could not cope with one civilian? I do not believe...

[corporal]

Quote: Balu

But so that 4 hefty adults trained as cop cops could not cope with one civilian?

One can cope with it, but just after that, midnight, sit on it, fixing it so that it doesn’t go wild?
The usual practice used to be to fasten bracelets to a battery or grille, and especially violent ones were fixed “on a swallow”. Calmed down within 40 sec-15 minutes, depending on the condition.

Quote: Balu

But this is issued by the VC signed by the duty officer and two doctors.

The detention report simply stated that special equipment had been used. For especially "persistent" - a report in the case of an administrative offense.

Now, in my opinion, for every case - a report. But it is not difficult to write.

[Baloo]

Quote: Corporal

The usual practice used to be to fasten bracelets to a battery or grille, and especially violent ones were fixed “on a swallow”. Calmed down within 40 sec-15 minutes, depending on the condition.

Fixing with a swallow for more than an hour can cause a serious violation of blood circulation in the limbs, especially the upper ones, and if it is still endured on the side or half-side. Further, a fatal outcome as in the case of prolonged compression syndrome (as in the release of victims from blockages). In the elderly, blood clots can form even if the pressure is less than an hour, cerebrovascular accident, if the head is turned for a long time and the unfortunate person cannot change position. The ammonia stimulates the respiratory center (only so that it does not get into the eyes and nose), sometimes a person immediately stops buzzing.
In any case, at least at the level of the police department, the nurse should be on duty. At whose expense, let the deputies decide. The Ministry of Internal Affairs does not want to have detoxifiers, because of problems as in this case. The Ministry of Health does not want to take it upon itself, there is no money, moreover, who will protect it? Private detoxification? I don’t know, in the USSR, detoxification plants were self-supporting. Be that as it may, whoever this unfortunate one is, but death is on the conscience of the police. No one requires them to be like "Mother Teresa." But no one gave behavior as frost-bitten bastards; people must be in any situation.

[Baloo]

[quote = corporal] and especially violent recorded "on a swallow". Calmed down within 40 sec-15 minutes, depending on the condition.
And about the swallow. I saw these little men who, after a swallow, developed a lesion of the nerves of the brachial plexus, sometimes bilateral. Apparently they spent several hours in this position. Can you even imagine what it is for a man, if he cannot hold a sheet of paper with his fingers, not to mention work?

[corporal]

Quote: Balu

Swallow fixation for more than an hour

I wrote that there was enough brawlers for a maximum of 15 minutes. Because even the most frostbitten then screamed, asked for forgiveness, realized all the indecency of their behavior and then behaved quite correctly. What more to keep listening to his squeals?

Quote: Balu

Apparently they spent several hours in this position.

I heard that this happened. But here it was already considered lawlessness.

Quote: Balu

In any case, at least at the level of the police department, the nurse should be on duty

Your words, yes ... to the ministers in the ears. ....but....

[pilot306]

Reaction to the news about the suicide attempt of the constructor from MiG - "why is it here ?!" I observe a joyful revival from this news. I would like to ask: Why is it here? Military Review and the lawlessness of cops, there was such a newspaper, "AIDS-Info"

[Mavrikiy]

Questions should be to Nurgaliyev.
Nurgaliev, Rashid Gumarovich, Minister of the Interior, was like that. until May 2012

[zurbagan63]

You will see the cop, urgently go to the other side of the street, trying not to attract their attention.

[Weyland]

Lord, send us such power that this fate befalls the judge of Sisamn!

[NF68]

Well, at least the fact that these four freaks were not awarded right in the courtroom. After all that happened with the case of a drunk boy, this is not surprising.

[Zomanus]

Figley, one gang, essentially.
Have you already forgotten about the Krasnodar judge?
We have people who are beyond jurisdiction in principle ...

[Deck]

Mu Diazvon,
Should be the other way around

[Say]

It has long been time to legalize torture as the world hegemon did.
We have long been forbidden to resist the illegal demands of a police officer.
Now we must legally ban the denial of the accusation.
Justifying criminals and blaming the innocent is the only task the police can handle well.