Ex-general of the Croatian army drank poison and died at the Hague Tribunal

The ex-general of the Croatian army, Slobodan Pralyak, died after drinking poison during the announcement of the verdict of the International Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY). This was reported on Wednesday by the agency HINA with reference to the environment of Pralyak.

Pralyak died in a hospital in The Hague, where he was taken after taking an unknown poison drug.

The general was sentenced to 20 years of imprisonment in 2013 for crimes during the civil war in the former Yugoslavia.
After the Appeals Panel upheld the first instance verdict, Pralyak told the judges: “General Pralyak is not a war criminal, and I reject your verdict.” After that, he drank the contents of a small flask and announced that he had taken poison. The trial was stopped, doctors were called to the scene.

The general is one of six former Croatian political and military leaders on trial. All of them were accused of crimes against humanity and violation of the laws and customs of warfare.

The prosecution proved that between November 1991 and April 1994, these individuals took part in a criminal event aimed at eliminating the entire non-Croatian population in Croatia, which resulted in deportations, illegal arrest, confiscation and destruction of property, destruction of dwellings and murders .

Comments

[Blackmokona]

This "man" was sitting there for the Serb genocide

[Andrey K]

Learn materiel, do not read Wikipedia, a harmful thing.
Praljak was brought to the ICTY for its actions against the Croats - they are also the South Slavic people, but not the Serbs.
Do not duplicate the lie

[vovanpain]

Interesting horseradish with mustard He carried it straight to prison, carried it to the courtroom and drunkenly drank, but what if he carried the bomb? What kind of security system is so full of holes.

[Going]

There are many questions, but this general did not fight against the Serbs and he does not have their blood on him, do not be lazy, look and read about him.

[Pax tecum]

And the most interesting thing is that they were also handed over to their own, most likely, like Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic, for the sake of European integrators, and of course for money.

[solzh]

Such as this "general" is not a pity. And to compare it with Ratko Mladic is no good.

[Andrey K]

Quote: solzh

Such as this "general" is not a pity. And to compare it with Ratko Mladic is no good.

Why can’t they be compared? It is even possible. Both participants in civil wars, each in its own territory. Both of them were handed over by their own citizens to a third country, for European cookies. Both were tried by a court appointed by criminals.
Here is a comparison.

[solzh]

Ratko Mladic Hero. That says it all.

[Andrey K]

Quote: solzh

Ratko Mladic Hero. That says it all.

Respected solzh!
This is how the Serbs think, so you and I think, so most of us all think!
As far as I remember, I did not say anything discrediting to Mladic.
Mladic many Albanians, Montenegrins, Croats, Bosnians hate. Someone considers the hero of Karadzic, someone the Croat Praljak, the Albanians a mountain for the murderer and rapist Hashim Tachi ... This is a civil war ...
The criminals should be convicted and judged by the Croats, Serbs, Bosnians themselves, and not all Carla (del Ponte) and other “judges” from The Hague ...
I think you agree with this ...
Best regards

[Going]

You are right, the civil war is the worst punishment for the people and it is very difficult to survive.

[Monos]

The general and his subordinates were called guilty of murder, harassment, torture and rape of the Muslim population, and the prosecution insisted that it was part of a plan to destroy Muslims in Herceg Bosn. Suspicions were also expressed that Pralyak knew about the plans for the killings and attacks on mosques and on members of international organizations.

I don’t know why, but in Europe they began to be especially scrupulous about the inviolability of Muslims and the protection of their rights. The reasons for this are not clear to me. I am simply stating a fact. And do not blame me for xenophobia. The trend is on the face.
And Pralak is not even military.

In 1971, Praljak received a diploma from the Faculty of Philosophy of the University of Zagreb (the capital of present-day Croatia), and he also has degrees in engineering and theater, film and television. During the 1970-80's he worked as a teacher of philosophy and sociology, was a theater director.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Andrey K

Montenegrins

For Montenegrins, Mladic is a hero.

[Slovak]

Is it not time to judge the Hague court for bringing a person to suicide?

[Shurik70]

They poisoned Slobodan Milosevic. He had a legal education, and he refused protection, defended himself. The court did not allow the witnesses whom he chose to testify, but even failed to “prove” his guilt. When they realized that it was a matter of justification, they “found him without signs of life," after three hours an autopsy "showed a heart attack," and cremated another hour later, after which they told reporters. If he had really died of a heart attack, and had not been killed, there would have been nothing hasty to cover his tracks. On the contrary, they would have presented all the evidence that he had died.
So nothing will happen to these killers. Unless from a sniper who shoots. And not the fact that the enemy is most likely a "friend" for knowing too much.

[rocket757]

But is it not time to judge those who have arranged ALL THIS?

[Lanatrade]

This is the only competent comment of all. Bravo!

[solzh]

And against whom did he fight? He fought for the expulsion of the Muslim and other non-Croat population and the annexation of the territories of Bosnia and Herzegovina to the Republic of Croatia.
http://www.srpska.ru/article.php?nid=20823

[Krabik]

At first, the answer is where the Muslim population came from and the questions will disappear by themselves.

[solzh]

Well answered. So what? Now this so-called "general" Slobodan Pralyak should be recognized as a hero? The fact that he fought for joining Croatia is for me a betrayal. For me, it is the same as everything from the Kiev junta. The question is closed for me.

[Krabik]

"The enemy must be defeated - victory will be ours."

But the enemy is not defeated, and the population of Yugoslavia went a knife, as centuries ago during the Ottoman occupation;)

[alexmach]

Well, like they say that the same Serbo-Croats are only re-educated during the Turkish rule in the Balkans.

[Krabik]

Re-educated Serbian women by the Ottoman wars and not at will ...

[alexmach]

Well, HZ. Here is the story of the family of the same Emir Kusturica, in my opinion, is quite indicative of itself.

[Krabik]

Your doubts are not clear.

The army of the hungry men came, killed the men, raped the women and took out the loot.

If there are examples of how the Ottoman Empire behaved nobly in the occupied territories, you can share it.
For one read what they did to their Armenians.
I think that with strangers they were noticeably tougher.

[sogdy]

Quote: alexmach

Well, they say that the same Serbo-Croats

Vaschet, Albanians, expelled dissidents and insurgents from Albania.

[protoss]

and where do you think it came from there? these are the Serbs who converted to Islam under the Ottomans. I anticipate the question - where did the Serbs come from? they migrated to the balkans in the middle of the 1st millennium AD

[Awaz]

not to fight does not mean that he did not give or did not sign criminal orders. Croats and in general all the other parties loved to have a break in the civilian population.

[210ox]

It means that someone needed him to die. There, Goering was allowed to recover in Nuremberg. Only the Croat did it demonstratively.

Quote: vovanpain

Interesting horseradish with mustard He carried it straight to prison, carried it to the courtroom and drunkenly drank, but what if he carried the bomb? What kind of security system is so full of holes.

[seti]

Quote: vovanpain

Interesting horseradish with mustard He carried it straight to prison, carried it to the courtroom and drunkenly drank, but what if he carried the bomb? What kind of security system is so full of holes.

Goering also died of poison. And who gave it to him is another question ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: vovanpain

An interesting horseradish with mustard I carried it to jail, carried it to the courtroom and drank it, and if it had carried the bomb, what kind of security system is so full of holes.

There are two sources of poison - supervision and a lawyer. I consider the basis of the incident to be the desire of a third party to discredit the Hague court as an independent court, as today it’s clear to everyone that this is not a court, but a court executing a political order in favor of a certain party. Even the former chairman of this court, Carla Del Ponte, admitted that she was aware that many of the allegations against the Serbian side were falsified. So in this situation, the ex-general deliberately went to his death because his death can bring much more benefit in the destruction of this pseudo-judicial system than living in prison, albeit in comfortable conditions. This was the last shot of a man who did not give up.

[Blackmokona]

In 1993 he became a representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic. During the war, Praljak commanded the Croatian militias, was the head of the staff of the Croatian Defense Council. In November 1993, the Old Bridge, a symbol of the city and a UNESCO World Heritage Site, was destroyed during the fighting in Mostar. Praljak and the forces under his control were accused of this. Pralyak himself claimed that the bridge was blown up by soldiers of the army of the Republic of Bosnia Herzegovina.

The Croatian Defense Council has been accused of massacres and ethnic cleansing. In particular with regard to ethnic Serbs and Bosnians.

http://www.aif.ru/dontknows/actual/kto_takoy_slob
odan_pralyak_vypivshiy_yad_v_gaagskom_sude

[Andrey K]

Blackmokona
You read documents very inattentively, Praljak was not accused of genocide of Serbs.
Participation in any genocide doesn’t add any advantages to him, naturally he is a criminal. But be precise in the wording, such things as “in general and in general” are permissible only in The Hague, not in Russia

[sogdy]

Quote: Andrey K

Participation in any genocide doesn’t add any advantages to him, naturally he’s a criminal

Sure? After all, there was a "genocide" of all against all. And the Bosnians began. Serbs and Croats in Bosnia are small nations.
And everyone forgot about the gypsies ...

[Andrey K]

Quote: sogdy

...Sure? After all, there was a "genocide" of all against all. And the Bosnians began. Serbs and Croats in Bosnia are small nations.
And everyone forgot about the gypsies ...

Let's start with the colleague that it was not Bosnians and Croats, not Serbs and not Albanians. Since the time of Tito, there have been contradictions that have been extinguished. And the arrogant Saxons simply did everything so that these contradictions crawled out and played on them, pouring their barrel of gasoline into the fire of the flaring civil war. It was a matter of technology to get into this feud on the side of the cutthroats from the UChK and that’s all, Yugoslavia burned down ...

[sogdy]

Quote: Andrey K

Since the time of Tito, there have been contradictions that have been extinguished. And the arrogant Saxons just did everything so that these contradictions crawled out

We need to develop a topic to the level of instructions to whom and what to do, and right here and now.
And the reference "this is when it was / started", well, does not help.
Right or wrong, but the world really lives by the law "provocateurs are powerless without performers." Think over the consequences. At both sides.

[Andrey K]

Quote: sogdy

... Right or wrong, but the world really lives by the law "provocateurs are powerless without performers" ...

There is logic in your words, provocateurs without "torpedoes" would certainly not have achieved anything.

[solzh]

Slobodan Praljak was a general of the Bosnian Croats. He was charged with war crimes in order to expel Muslims and non-Croatian populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina.
A quote from an article on the website SRPSKA.RU http://www.srpska.ru/article.php?nid=20823 As stated in the indictment, the sentenced political and military leaders were parties to a joint criminal conspiracy whose purpose was to expel Muslim and other non-Croat population and the annexation of the territories of Bosnia and Herzegovina to the Republic of Croatia. They achieved their goal with the help of killings, harassment, torture, rape, the expulsion of civilians, the seizure and destruction of other people's property, as well as other means in the period from 1992 to 1994.
What Croats did he take action against?

Quote: Andrey K

Pralyak attracted by the ICTY for its actions against the Croats

[Andrey K]

Quote: solzh

... What Croatians did he take action against? ...

You yourself described everything above, against which Croats he committed war crimes. To be honest, I’m tired of this bast, it’s too wet, and it’s not interesting to discuss someone else’s civil war, if only because the criminals themselves had to be brought to justice and judged by the residents of these former republics of Yugoslavia, and not by the zagi judges from The Hague appointed by war criminals from the USA and NATO countries. They are no one and there is no way to call them

[solzh]

Quote: Andrey K

the criminals themselves were to be brought in and judged by the residents of these former republics of Yugoslavia, and not by the hague judges appointed by war criminals from the United States and NATO countries.

Totally agree with you. I think that the issue of a trial in The Hague should be closed. Yours faithfully

[sogdy]

Quote: solzh

Quote from an article on the website SRPSKA.RU

This is whose site? Not Russian, not Serbian, not Croatian.
Do not get hung up on dissidents.

[PalBor]

Quote: Andrey K

Learn materiel, do not read Wikipedia, a harmful thing.
Praljak was brought to the ICTY for its actions against the Croats - they are also the South Slavic people, but not the Serbs.
Do not duplicate the lie

We’ll take a closer look at the Bosnians, otherwise you’ll marry a liar, Comrade perturbed truth-seeker.

[Andrey K]

PalBor

... Against the Bosnians, take a closer look, otherwise you yourself will marry a liar, Comrade perturbed truth-loving ...

From the clarification of the ICTY:

... In court it was proved that in 1991 - 1994 General Praljak took part in a criminal conspiracy aimed at eliminating the Croatian population, which led to the deportation of thousands of people, illegal arrests, killings and the destruction of homes ...

Something like that, comrade reading outraged truth-lovers ...
By the way, Croats live in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Czech Republic and other and other ...
I will not marry a liar, do not hope

[sogdy]

Quote: Andrey K

I will not marry a liar, do not hope

Horvath vs croatian? Nothing annoying?

[Andrey K]

In Russian "nicho" is written "nothing", respect the native language
As for the Croat against the Croat ... Nothing annoying.
In my unit in the first Chechen company, several Chechens served. They, like everyone, brought constitutional order to their republic. No one bothered, including them.
In the second campaign, the Vostok battalion, the Chechen battalion, was standing next to our base, even before it was brought into the staff of the Moscow Region. Also did not bother anyone.
Why should strain the presence of citizens of the same nationality on the opposite side of the barricades in the civil war?
Do not confuse wars between states and civil wars ...

[sogdy]

Quote: Andrey K

In Russian "nicho" is written "nothing", respect the native language

I know 5 Russian languages. Literary. Bulgarian, Polish, Czech, Serbo-Croatian. Taki niii-cho is not annoying.

Quote: Andrey K

Do not confuse wars between states and civil wars.

I know this war as you are Chechen.
The remnants of the troops already disbanded, under the command of a university teacher, led people out of the massacre into neighboring territories. Could not defend the country. For them, brought up on the Marco Krala, this is creepy. But temporarily.
Read the legends about the stealing of Marco, understand their words and their gestures. And these are highlanders, not Georgian-Chechens.

[Andrey K]

Quote: sogdy

Quote: Andrey K

In Russian "nicho" is written "nothing", respect the native language

I know 5 Russian languages. Literary. Bulgarian, Polish, Czech, Serbo-Croatian. Taki niii-cho is not annoying.

Quote: Andrey K

Do not confuse wars between states and civil wars.

I know this war as you are Chechen ...

Well and goodies

[Sergej1972]

Against Muslims. He is a Croat himself.

[Orionvit]

As I understand it, if someone is “judged” at the Hague court, then this is originally our person. Knowing the bias of such "ships", others do not get there.

[Lanatrade]

You are joking? Praljak Bosan Croatian. Croats in Bosnia killed Muslims (Bosanians, Albanians) and Serbs - all who are not Croatians. And then they massively left for Bosnia to Croatia, occupying houses and lands left by the Serbs and Bosanians expelled from Croatia. Learn the materiel. Even the Croats themselves do not like Bosan Croats for their extremism. Condolences were brought by Prime Minister Plenkovich and Kolinda ... thought that only the Serbs would condemn this vile tribunal? It is necessary to judge the amers who staged the genocide in the Balkans with the wrong hands.

[sogdy]

Quote: Lanatrade

Croats in Bosnia killed Muslims (Bosanians, Albanians) and Serbs - all who are not Croatians. And then they massively left for Bosnia to Croatia, occupying houses and lands left by the Serbs and Bosanians expelled from Croatia.

Forgot what started? With the massacre of all who are not Muslim, including Bosnians. Oh yes, the Albanians there did not have the right to permanent residence. Refugees do not seize the rights of local people and do not establish their own rules. Even in the tenth generation.
Do you also work for Freedom? How is Srpska.ru?

[avt]

Quote: BlackMokona

This "man" was sitting there for the Serb genocide

Quote: Andrey K

Learn materiel, do not read Wikipedia, a harmful thing.

Really

Ex-general of the Croatian army Slobodan Praljak

Quote: Andrey K

Praljak was brought to the ICTY for its actions against the Croats - they are also the South Slavic people, but not the Serbs.

Type himself genocyl ????

Quote: Andrey K

Do not duplicate the lie

Attracted for the type, "genocide" of Muslims.

[Andrey K]

Quote: avt

... Attracted for the type, "genocide" of Muslims ...

Croats are Slavs, by religion - Muslims, Catholics, Orthodox ...
General Pralak recruited for war crimes against Croats during the Civil War

[avt]

Quote: Andrey K

Orvats are Slavs, by religion - Muslims, Catholics, Orthodox ...

Quote: solzh

He was accused of war crimes with the aim of expelling Muslims and non-Croatian populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Once again - TITO practically in Yugoslavia introduced as a nationality - Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina, for all who converted to Islam, regardless of tribal origin. And because the character is poisoned in poison, it’s got into a quarter, it seems that the genocide of Muslims.

[Andrey K]

Quote: avt

... And therefore the character who was poison-drunk got into a quarter, it seems that the genocide of Muslims ...

Who would argue

[Sergej1972]

Muslims in the ethnic sense (Muslim Slavs) were called the Slavs who did not consider themselves to be either Serbs or Croats. At the same time, Turks, Albanians, and representatives of other Muslim peoples lived in BiH.

[sogdy]

Quote: avt

And because the character is poisoned in poison, it’s got into a quarter, it seems that the genocide of Muslims.

Shipka is clever: first of all, Bosnia is a gypsy baronate, the rest living now came after 500 years.
Croats are Catholics, unlike Orthodox Serbs.
All Muslims are aliens with refugee rights. A relic of the wars with the Turks. And not with the Ottomans, these were a spike late, they didn’t wage wars in Europe.
So, Muslims began their jihad, as in Central Asia. Through the efforts of the government and pro-government military units operating at that time, the Croat and Serbs were brought out of this massacre into Croatia. Gypsies saved little. The Baron and the receivers were killed by the Muslims. Before the split of Yugoslavia, 80% of the population of Bosnia were gypsies.

If anyone does not remember, "Gypsy Baron" is about them. Of the three plus one baronates, one is no more. And the Hague tribunal does not accuse Bosnian Muslims of genocide ...

Does our clever also consider gypsies Muslims?

[Krabik]

And this is taking into account the current situation in the Middle East, where the meat grinder steeper happens.

[Primoos]

Quote: BlackMokona

This "man" was sitting there for the Serb genocide

Surprisingly, he was generally tried. Probably something died in the Hague forest, besides Praljak. The murder of a Serb, according to European terms, is not a crime at all. Apparently this is the Pole somewhere and somehow spoiled the mattress. Maybe drug trafficking is not divided, or the sale of human organs, or weapons. In general, look for loot.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: BlackMokona

This "man" was sitting there for the Serb genocide

Who gave him the poison ??? This ghoul had to sit to death in a cage to others as an example.

[Pax tecum]

Do not stand on him as a martyr. In total you cannot know. And, here's a story study at your leisure. At least from the movement of Croatian Ustashi (an analogue of the Nazis with 1929) and to the elimination of Serbian Krajina and the formation of the Muslim-Croatian Federation.
Photo and video materials are impressive.

PS Although a worthy deed.

[Anarchist]

Quote: Pax tecum

PS Although a worthy deed.

A deed worthy of a general - if he shot himself!
And so this is an act of the Nazis, like Hitler ...

[Pax tecum]

Where would he take the barrel there? Would-be shot ...

[Anarchist]

There is poison!
To be honest, I don’t care at all! In hell, he should burn, especially after suicide! Him and others like him ...

[solzh]

You are absolutely right. The devils were waiting for him in hell.

[assa67]

in hell must wait for those who brewed this mess in Yugoslavia ... more than that, they should already be coming for them

[Andrey K]

During the civil war there are no right-wingers; the line between right and wrong is practically absent. Rather, it is, depending on the side that interprets certain actions.
And since when did Hitler appear in the ranks of generals, participants in civil wars? Yes, and in rank they are no match, Hitler - corporal ...

[Anarchist]

read carefully

Quote: Anarchist

Quote: Pax tecum

PS Although a worthy deed.

A deed worthy of a general - if he shot himself!
And so this is an act of the Nazis, like Hitler ...

I compared the suicide of a general with the suicide of Hitler! But he did not equate Hitler with the generals!

[Andrey K]

Quote: Anarchist

... I compared the suicide of a general with the suicide of Hitler! But he did not equate Hitler with the generals! ...

On this and decide, did not pay attention to your nuance

[1331M]

Not only Serbs are tried all the same, and Croats, too ...

[miner]

If this one would cut only Serbs, then he would be forgiven, and he specialized in Muslims more (((For this he sat down.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: 1331M

Not only Serbs are tried all the same, and Croats, too ...

It is an accident.

[APASUS]

Who is the judge?

[Andrey K]

Media: ex-general Praljak died at the Hague Tribunal

The attitude to this general is ambiguous ...
But his last act was that of an officer who did not accept dishonor ...
Rest in peace...
PS On the bench of this false tribunal, there was not a single “right” thug from the Kosovo Albanians.
I sincerely wish to hear about the corpse of Hashim Tachi - this monster of the human race, a merchant of the interiors of the Serbs ...

[Blackmokona]

Hitler also took poison, a man convicted for the Serb genocide

[Andrey K]

Quote: BlackMokona

Hitler also took poison, a man convicted for the Serb genocide

Praljak convicted of war crimes against Croats.
He definitely committed crimes during the civil war. Only you can compare it with Hitler, these are completely different situations and completely different people

[Walking]

Quote: Andrey K

Praljak convicted of war crimes against Croats.

Croatian general convicted of crimes against Croats? Do you understand what you wrote?

[Andrey K]

Read the history of the civil war in the territory of the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The war of all against all. Ethnic, religious and other and other ...
Then you don’t have to ulcerate, and you can understand what I wrote
PS You have no questions why the Russian Russians were torn to shreds in our civil war? Why were some Russians, other Russians being tried, imprisoned, exiled to the camps, shot?
Did you yourself understand what kind of comment you wrote?

[Sergej1972]

How much can I repeat, he was tried for crimes against the Muslim population. He is a Croat, but a Bosnian Croat.

[Pax tecum]

Rather, it refers to Bosnian Muslims.
Kosovars are under the US protectorate more. They are justified to justify independence. Although Bosnian Muslims have been making the same excuses lately. The ICTY, the UN-UN body in New York, is sponsored generously by the United States.

[Pirogov]

There are thousands of Serb deaths on it, but it does not consider itself guilty, and the bastard made himself a victim.

[ded100]

Whoever arranged everything there on death and on the same death of Ukrainians and many others, but he is a lightning rod!

[ded100]

What kind of tribunal is this when people are dying is a murderer of some kind they themselves must be judged !!
PS And in all the riots only the filthy mattresses are to blame!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: ded100

And in all the riots only the filthy mattresses are to blame!

I fully support your conclusion!

[bald]

True - where did he get the poison ?! - all of them following him.

[Smog]

What have they got, poison in a prison medicine cabinet for sale? Wonderful !!!!!! Without touching the personality of this general, I wonder = where did the poison come from, and even right at the meeting?

[Pax tecum]

It’s not a problem to bring poison to a lawyer (especially there!).

[Okolotochny]

Kostya, . It can be seen that the shmones in prison are having a bad time.

[Smog]

Quote: Okolotochny

the shmona in jail are having a bad time.

Point at them right now the sexual harassment scandal So the shmon is probably carried out visually, so to speak.

[Okolotochny]

Not. They probably very carefully conduct personal searches, by law, by persons of the same sex with the inspected. Dol6o and carefully.

[Herculesic]

The only act of man! And so was an ordinary executioner! Death came on time! He deserved it!

[Sergej1972]

Don't do that about him. There were a lot of executioners, including among our Serbian brothers.

[Ankipelgygyrgyn]

It was necessary for him to bring a bunch of grenades to the court, so that not one ... There apparently with safety in any way from the word in general.

[Mwg]

I don’t know why he was sitting, but he walked away from “justice” beautifully, like a soldier. They could not condemn him

[Smog]

Quote: MVG

They could not condemn him

From the article
The general was sentenced to 20 years of imprisonment in 2013 for crimes during the civil war in the former Yugoslavia.

[Mwg]

I do not believe in European trials under the auspices of the “crime against humanity”. Customers of crimes against humanity are the main prosecutors in such processes. And then it’s not the one who really is to blame, but the one who was appointed guilty.
Guilty awareness is an internal state and the one who claims to be innocent is a liar and he will not commit suicide in order to prove his innocence, since a liar is always selfish and a coward. A man who is not afraid to die for his convictions is a man with a capital letter. My opinion.

[Smog]

Quote: MVG

A man who is not afraid to die for his convictions is a man with a capital letter.

The "old" Schiklgruber is also one of them?

[Mwg]

And who saw him dead? Both in the USSR and in the USA in all its glory they showed how he died. Did he die?

[Smog]

Quote: MVG

Did he die?

Well, let’s write it down to the conspiracy theory. And "old" then Himmler then precisely from this cohort

Quote: MVG

a man with a capital letter.

. Do you hope that you will not dispute his death from poisoning with poison?

[sergo1914]

Beautifully left. What really is there.

[voyaka uh]

Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are ethnically one Slavic people. Not the slightest genetic
differences. But historically divided into three religions - and here is the result. Cut each other
with unprecedented cruelty for several hundred years.

[Mwg]

The basic principle of power is to divide and conquer in action. Good example

[voyaka uh]

No mysterious “power” divided them into three hostile peoples.
They themselves fled in the early Middle Ages.

[Mwg]

Yes, no she is this power is not mysterious. The rulers know everything. Whoever owns money is power.

[Okolotochny]

Why, first, the Ottoman Empire, then Austria-Hungary, then the democratic West, and get and sign

[IL-18]

Russians, Georgians, Ukrainians ORTHODOXY (even the Uniates accept the rite according to the Orthodox canons, and when communicating with them it turned out that they consider themselves Orthodox), but where the Americans visited, only blood, refugees and ruin.

[voyaka uh]

"but where the Americans visited, only blood, refugees and ruin." ///

The three nations zealously slaughtered each other when the United States was not even formed.
Since the Middle Ages.

[Pax tecum]

Replace the USA with Turkey (Ottoman Empire). And after its disintegration into the Vatican, Germany and other parties interested in the Balkans.
These are the Balkans, the "powder keg" of Europe.
In Sarajevo (the capital of Bosnia), a reason arose by the beginning of the First World War. And, since 1990, it is the sphere of interests of the USA. There are many military bases in Bosnia, and Kosovo is generally the largest US military base abroad. And it was from the Former Yugoslavia that NATO (which was supposed to disappear after the ATS) was transformed into a "peacekeeper", substituting and pushing the UN.

[cayman gene]

Quote: voyaka uh

"but where the Americans visited, only blood, refugees and ruin." ///

The three nations zealously slaughtered each other when the United States was not even formed.
Since the Middle Ages.

That's just at the present time, where the United States does not go, there is immediately chaos, massacre, carrion and endless war.

[IL-18]

Quote: voyaka uh

"but where the Americans visited, only blood, refugees and ruin." ///

The three nations zealously slaughtered each other when the United States was not even formed.
Since the Middle Ages.

And when did these three nations slaughter one another without incitement from without?

[Black5Raven]

Quote: IL-18

And when did these three nations slaughter one another without incitement from without?

Since the advent of ancestors from tribes to those lands. Without incitement, for power, for land, for capital city and prey, but a richer tribute.

[Makarov]

"Religion - Opium for the People" (c)

And you can't argue ...

[IL-18]

This is when opium is added to religion. For example, in Islam, Wahhabism, in Christianity - sextantism.

[Makarov]

To interfere with drugs is always dangerous =)

[miner]

Turks and Germans shared. Yes, and as they say, the Serbs also made efforts to inflate mutual hostility. With the idea of ​​"Greater Serbia", in the 19th, early 20th centuries.

[sogdy]

Quote: miner

With the idea of ​​"Greater Serbia", in the 19th, early 20th centuries.

only ustashi rushed about with this idea.

[Sergej1972]

The purest Slavs from nickname, most likely, are the Croats. Although the ideologists of the Ustash movement denied this, calling their people Slavic-speaking Germans (or Austrians).

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Sergej1972

The purest Slavs from nickname, most likely, are the Croats. Although the ideologists of the Ustash movement denied this, calling their people Slavic-speaking Germans (or Austrians).

By the way, it was the Bosnian Muslims who were called the closest in appearance to the Slavs, because they converted to Islam and, accordingly, the Turks did not particularly touch them, in terms of mass rape, but the Croats, and especially the Serbs, regularly got it. In the 18th century, many Serbs and Croats served in the Russian army, fleeing the persecution of the Turks

[voyaka uh]

"By the way, Bosnian Muslims were called the closest in appearance to the Slavs" ////

Eo I can confirm. Two years ago from Dubrovnik I was on a bus tour in Bosnia.
With a few stops. In villages, girls and women in headscarves look exactly like Russian peasant women from photographs of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Blond-haired, snub-nosed.

[cayman gene]

Quote: voyaka uh

"By the way, Bosnian Muslims were called the closest in appearance to the Slavs" ////

Eo I can confirm. Two years ago from Dubrovnik I was on a bus tour in Bosnia.
With a few stops. In villages, girls and women in headscarves look exactly like Russian peasant women from photographs of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Blond-haired, snub-nosed.

What a delight, and the Israeli aborigines look as dark and clipped as the Arab villains.

[kubanec]

Anglo-Saxons pushed the foreheads of the Slavs in Yugoslavia, and now condemned their commanders

[SlavaS]

that in the period from November 1991 to April 1994, these persons took part in a criminal event aimed at eliminating the entire non-Croat population in Croatia - is it like the British, with the Indians in America?

[sogdy]

And this is your lack of information

[vanavatny]

yeah, the apotheosis of the Hague hypocritical idiocy

[andrej-shironov]

Well, at least someone "eggs" turned out to show the fig these kam from the trial

[Sergey53]

One bad radish less.

[bk316]

Gentlemen, experts, I understand correctly?
What did he, the Croatian general, have been tried for the genocide of Croats of Muslim religion, which he led in Croatia?

[Pax tecum]

Not at all. In Bosnia (now divided into the Republika Srpska and the Muslim-Croatian Federation) there is a region of historical residence of the Croat - Herzog Bosna. It was for her accession to Croatia that the fight was fought. Since 1994, Croats with Muslims (Bosniaks) entered into an alliance against the Serbs.
For clarification and ease of perception: Croats are Catholics, Serbs are Orthodox, Bosnians (ethnic Slavs who converted to Islam during the Ottoman Empire (Turkey)) are Muslims.

[Sergej1972]

Before that, Croats and Muslims slaughtered each other. And by the way, in modern BiH in recent years, the tension between the Serbs and Croats has decreased, and they even in the political arena began to coordinate actions against Muslims.

[hohol95]

The poet died! - slave of honor -
Pal, slandered by rumor,
With lead in the chest and a thirst for vengeance,
Bowed proud head! ..
The soul of the poet did not take out
The shame of petty grievances,

I turned sour for 20 years in the cell! And put it on the WHOLE TRIBUNAL .... GENERAL ...

[mavrus]

Quote: BlackMokona

This "man" was sitting there for the Serb genocide

What Serbs? Who in The Hague cares about the killed Serbs ...
He drove Muslims ... And the so-called MTBU now, for the sake of objectivity, has decided at least someone other than Serbs ... Muslims can’t, they are like their own ... There half of Europe and America with Bosnian Muslims are tied to organ trafficking ... And the croatian went like a sacred sacrifice

[razved]

ACTION !!! And just so - in capital letters!

[Eurodav]

The dog, even could not leave normally ...
"... Such as this" general "is not a pity. But to compare him with Ratko Mladic is no good ..." - I agree completely!

Quote: Andrey K

Quote: solzh

Such as this "general" is not a pity. And to compare it with Ratko Mladic is no good.

Why can’t they be compared? It is even possible. Both participants in civil wars, each in its own territory. Both of them were handed over by their own citizens to a third country, for European cookies. Both were tried by a court appointed by criminals.
Here is a comparison.

Look in the mirror, you don’t see a demon?

[Eurodav]

Quote: razved

ACTION !!! And just so - in capital letters!

From cowardice before punishment?

[Eurodav]

Quote: Pax tecum

Not at all. In Bosnia (now divided into the Republika Srpska and the Muslim-Croatian Federation) there is a region of historical residence of the Croat - Herzog Bosna. It was for her accession to Croatia that the fight was fought. Since 1994, Croats with Muslims (Bosniaks) entered into an alliance against the Serbs.
For clarification and ease of perception: Croats are Catholics, Serbs are Orthodox, Bosnians (ethnic Slavs who converted to Islam during the Ottoman Empire (Turkey)) are Muslims.

Why did you pile this? Yugoslavia is one and indivisible, as, indeed, WE!

[alexmach]

Hmm ... your statement contradicts .... reality.

[Pax tecum]

Eurodav! Study the geography of the SFRY and the Former Yugoslavia at your leisure, compare. The ethnic and religious composition, as well as, in short, the history of international relations of the Balkan Peninsula, and, of course, the war in the Former Yugoslavia with all stages of peacekeeping operations.
You will be surprised yourself to your comment and do not write nonsense anymore.

[alexmach]

Krabik,
In the sense? And what did they do with the Armenians then? Ottoman Empire? she didn’t do much to them, they lived in it calmly like the rest of the nation. The empire differs from the national state in that it unites different peoples under its shelter and gradually assimilates them.

Look at the same Cyprus and the north of Africa all the way to Marroco. Is it really that everyone was cut out and settled by the Turks? And the same Syria and Egypt? too, all Turks alone and not a single Arab left? Stop raving!

[Sergej1972]

In principle, an empire often does not assimilate other peoples, but, on the contrary, preserves local customs and privileges.

[Stirbjorn]

If Mladic mentioned here would have done the same, there were no limits of delight. By the way, there were questions to him on the military side, instead of punching a corridor to the krashniki, he preferred to clear out his native Serebrynitsa in a different direction. As a result, when Krajin died, the Bosnian Serbs could not help them, so the figure was ambiguous, like Milosevic ... and the Croat courageously acted, wiped his nose, finally, to all this shameful Hague court - General, one word! And all of them genocide there with rapture, just for Bosnians and Croats Europe and the USA got stuck, and Milosevic handed over the Serbs, well, Yeltsin too

[Machete]

Though worthy left.

[Umnichka]

For the genocide of the Serbs the so-called the Hague Tribunal no one has been convicted. Serbs could be destroyed, about Muslims, Bosnians, Albanians, etc. not allowed. He was convicted of Muslims.

[Dry_T-50]

Hermann Goering number 2?

[Pax tecum]

Quote: alexmach

Krabik,
In the sense? And what did they do with the Armenians then? Ottoman Empire? she didn’t do much to them, they lived in it calmly like the rest of the nation. The empire differs from the national state in that it unites different peoples under its shelter and gradually assimilates them.

Oh how! And, the Armenian genocide of the 1915 sample of the year, doesn’t it tell you anything?

[Thracian warrior]

Quote: alexmach

Ottoman Empire? she didn’t do much with them, they lived in it calmly like the rest of the nation. The empire differs from the national state in that it unites different peoples under its shelter and gradually assimilates them.

I do not agree with you, sorry if anything.

[sogdy]

But he does not understand that the classic empire was China and RI.
The Turks did not create an empire as a union, i.e. they weren’t an empire.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Ingvar 72

... For Montenegrins Mladic hero ...

I’ll tell you more about my colleague, for many Bosnians and Croats he is also a hero. Not everyone accepted the driban of the former Yugoslavia and in Mladic saw the opportunity to defend at least some integrity of the state.