Source: the next launch from East can be moved

The next launch from Vostochny Cosmodrome, scheduled for December 22, can be postponed to next year, a source in the space industry said.

According to him, yesterday's failure with the Soyuz-2.1b with 19 satellites will require thorough checks of the Fregat upper stage. Most likely, the agency interlocutor noted, Fregat will be returned to the factory - NPO Lavochkina.

The investigation, testing and possible elimination of deficiencies take time, the source indicated.

By the end of the year they are unlikely to have time. Therefore, with a high degree of probability this start from the East will take place already in 2018.

- he added.

The launch of the Soyuz-22 rocket with Earth remote sensing satellites and monitoring of Canopus-V emergency situations No. XXUMX and No. XXUMX is scheduled for December 2.1. The containers with the Frigate and the head fairing are already at the spaceport.

Yesterday the second was held stories start from the East. The launch itself went smoothly, but later it turned out that almost two dozen satellites, including Meteor-M, did not reach the target orbit. Failure could occur during operation of the upper stage. According to the source RIA Newsspacecraft fell into the Atlantic Ocean. A state investigation commission has been formed.

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[210ox]

Once again, the automation was calibrated with a hammer ... In general, for the FSB, the field is not plowed here .. The main thing is that the hard worker would not be made extreme. This is already a question and a system problem ..

[Scoun]

Quote: 210ox

In general, for the FSB, the field is not plowed here ..

From the “Protons” to the Unions, the frigate infection was transplanted.
Soon in the rifles - Roscosmos is the killer of satellites.
Some bureaucrats and effective managers with a bout would be sent instead of satellites.

[Anarchist]

Quote: Scoun

Soon in the rifles - Roscosmos is the killer of satellites.

And what - there is the Tsar Cannon - which does not shoot, the Tsar Bell - which does not ring! There will be a king-cosmodrome - from which nothing takes off ...
There was also a king-tower - which does not broadcast, but was repaired ...
Each time has its own symbol! Our - Nano technological ...

[opus]

Quote: Scoun

From the “Protons” to the Unions, the frigate infection was transplanted.

Yes.
Starting sequence diagram

08: 41: 46 - The launch of a space rocket;
08: 43: 44 - Separating the 1 steps;
08: 45: 33 - Reset the head fairing;
08: 46: 33 - Separating the 2 steps;
08: 51: 09 - Head unit separation;
08: 52: 09 - 08: 53: 26 - RB "Frigate". Formation of the first transition orbit;
09: 40: 10 - 09: 41: 07 - RB "Frigate". Formation of the orbit of the Meteor-M spacecraft separation;
09: 42: 08 - Meteor-M spacecraft division (orbit i = 98,57 °; H = 828,7 km; h = 788,9 km);
10: 21: 01 - 10: 21: 24 - RB "Frigate". Formation of the second transition orbit;
12: 01: 43 - 12: 05: 03 - IDEA spacecraft separation (orbit i = 97,95 °; H = 814,2 km; h = 581,6 km);
11: 13: 21 - 11: 13: 37 - RB "Frigate". Formation of the orbit of the separation of the ICA group;
11: 15: 17 - Baumanets spacecraft (orbit i = 97,76 °; H = 600,1 km; h = 592,7 km);
11: 20: 00 - 11: 35: 00 - Separation of the payload SEAM and AISSat spacecraft (orbit i = 97,76 °; H = 601,8 km; h = 583,9 km);
11: 59: 21 - 11: 59: 44 - RB "Frigate". Formation of the third transition orbit;
12: 50: 01 - 12: 50: 46 - RB "Frigate". The orbit formation of the LEO Vantage spacecraft;
12: 54: 06 - Spacecraft LEO Vantage Department (orbit i = 99,46 °; H = 1002,2 km; h = 996,8 km);
13: 42: 41 - 13: 43: 19 - Transfer of the upper stage to the entrance path; ~
14: 16: 57 - Input of the upper stage to the atmosphere (altitude 100 km). Flooding in the Pacific Ocean.

08: 51: 09 PH completed its task, brought the MON to the specified intermediate path
PN = this is the head unit (i.e. the Frigate plus all satellites).
So he separated (08: 51: 09 according to the sequence diagram), and not by 800 + km.
After the separation of the telemetry PH no longer has information about the head unit.
And from the frigate telemetry never went ...

[alex86]

And I have an amateurish (rhetorical) question: our missile warning means declared that they would see a tennis ball over (conditionally) 10 km. And here is the acceleration block - they can say that they supposedly fell, therefore they didn’t see it - they are meant to see what is going to “fall”. So if something worse comes to us, they will also need a day to shrug their hands (if any, to whom and how to shrug) and say they don’t know where it is (what’s worse). Do not find fault with the SPRN, I agree with any means of control ...

[opus]

Quote: alex86

And I have an amateurish question (rhetorical): our means

EWS will not help here

He is "gone" and far "and they are not" there "looking

==========================
Telemetry they (EWS) still will not help.
Knew that something went wrong.

[slipped]

Do not lie, telemetry from the "Frigate" was before he left the line of sight.

[siberalt]

He knows the "source" and knows what he is saying. Until Putin is personally present at launch, nothing will fly. Here, without manual control in any way. You quickly get used to your hands.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: siberalt

Until Putin will personally attend ...

That and that, that to work independently on conscience weaned.
Again, the "cosmic power" was circled around the whole world.
Either the engineers are headless, or the hard workers are crooked.

[The_lancet]

spacecraft fell into the atlantic ocean

I wonder what the cost of these devices?
And why are there so many problems with launching missiles in Russia? After all, the Soviet Union was one of the best in this area

[210ox]

The problem is multifaceted. Specialists are gone, training at vocational schools and all education is destroyed .. Yes, and I admit sabotage.

Quote: The_Lancet

spacecraft fell into the atlantic ocean

I wonder what the cost of these devices?
And why are there so many problems with launching missiles in Russia? After all, the Soviet Union was one of the best in this area

[Solomon Kane]

Dmitry! This is not sabotage, but a deliberate "setup" of national interests in education, medicine, the space industry ... yes in everything!

[Dead duck]

Quote: Solomon Kane

intentional "setup"

just about ... Yankers are also not casual to slip their companions ...
I guess some stuff stuffed electronic .... they affect the operation of electronics.

[Young_Communist]

Quote: Solomon Kane

This is not sabotage, but a deliberate "setup" of national interests in education, medicine, the space industry ... yes in everything!

It is a pity that before leaving Obama managed to put a spoilage on Roscosmos. But it’s okay - Putin and Trumpnash will quickly deal with it!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Young_Communist

It’s a pity that before leaving Obama managed to put a spoil on Roskosmos

he had no time to do this ... he was busy with his railway tracks !!!

[Solomon Kane]

And why are there so many problems with launching missiles in Russia?

The problems are not with missiles and not with those who create them, but those who command it all.
And judging by their actions, they have second passports with a flag, as on your profile ....

[Vadim237]

Problems, just the same, with those who collect, test and experience.

[Solomon Kane]

"Frustrated" by Frigate - "brains" worked for braking and descent from the intermediate orbit. What does the engineer and hard workers who worked on the complex ...
The booster rocket worked for 5 +. And here is where the module software is in question.
Maybe from Mitinsky radio market ....

[slipped]

Do you represent the commission of inquiry when you declare this or simply blurt out to blurt out something?

[siberalt]

The cost of the device, satellites, plus launch. We will never know the real value. Another thing is if theft and cuts, plus insurance for their own sloppiness and all from one pocket - the budget of the Russian Federation.

[opus]

Quote: The_Lancet

I wonder what the cost of these devices?

spacecraft "Meteor-M" №2-1

was insured for about 2,5 billion rubles

and eighteen satellites passing load:
Baumanets-2 spacecraft and commercial nanosatellites from Russia, Germany, Sweden, USA, Japan and Canada.
No data is available for this data, but if we estimate xcn, by mass, then approximately still 30% to 2,5 billion rubles

SOGAZ’s share in the insurance contract is 50%, Ingosstrakh has 35%, IC Megaruss has 10% and IJSC VSK has 5%.

[Awaz]

Yes, the problem is multifaceted. However, in the first place, the system of education and upbringing has been destroyed. Everything rests only on the dough. Even in the USA, they don’t go to a bottom with these babos, only Russian "effective" managers who are ready to sell everything that they can for grandmas. In the sense that you can save on everything you can to grab the dough ...

[Vadim237]

Effective managers in these accidents have nothing to do with - the problem is the gouging of assemblers, installers, and those who check all this out.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

the problem is the gouging of assemblers, installers, and those who check all this out.

And why, say, not a loss of qualification? In your opinion, some gouges work, including OTC, or whatever it is called.

[ZVO]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

And why, say, not a loss of qualification? In your opinion, some gouges work, including OTC, or whatever it is called.

Yes. this is the case.
You probably don’t understand how rotted our space is ..
Again and again examples of Samara Progress.
All normal workers and engineers left in the early 90's when they stopped paying normally.
There were only either the most lazy, cowardly, ready to sit for six months without a salary, or those. who were not invited anywhere at that time - i.e. clumsy and worthless.
Then came the order, giving a respite from the army, for those who are in the production of rockets.
And nepotism extended to the factory. A normal graduate could not get a Progress. if he didn’t have a paw. For all the places were pre-painted between someone's children or grandchildren. That would not go to the army.
And even those very lazy and cowardly, who at least once received something directly or indirectly from smart and already long gone - got old and retired.
Here they are worthless and clumsy - they have become the main productive force in Roscosmos.
The Soviet cosmonautics was able. Died.
Only the creation of new plants from scratch and the prohibition of accepting those who have already worked in space production can save it.
That would not infect ...
Again from scratch.
Otherwise, no way.
Contagious.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ZVO

That would not infect ...
Again from scratch.
Otherwise, no way.
Contagious.

How will Rogozin fight cronyism? Well this must begin with yourself. And indeed, in the government almost all godfathers are brilliant.

Quote: ZVO

the creation of new factories from scratch and the prohibition of accepting those who have already worked in space production.

To build new factories, train new personnel, pay teachers enthusiasts ... Oh well, nafik. No money.

[the lord]

It seems that there is nothing to argue with, but one question torments why why only cargo ships are falling. and not with crews? And the chronology of the falls is quite extensive and continues throughout the whole time, only launches with the astronauts are successful. Is it because there are amulets on board there - crews mixed with representatives of nasa and eca? Or are these ships already being assembled by other engineers? Or are they checking better? Then it can transfer all the useful practice of manned launches to cargo launches or all the same .... The FSB is clearly our time to deal with all those involved in launches for liberoids, homeland and other things, which can cause the pickers to put the fuse in the wrong direction and not turn it to the other attention to this.
Once again, I want to note- launches with crews all pass at least safely- all NATO members return home satisfied and healthy

[slipped]

Your vyser what does it have to do with Soyuz-2, which worked well?

[ZVO]

Quote: slipped

Your vyser what does it have to do with Soyuz-2, which worked well?

Hey hell, how many Unions have got there in recent years?
And how many protons?

Unions have been falling for a year now. Every year.
But it’s not Progress that is to blame for you, but its suppliers-pickers ... right?


What does Takata airbags have to do with a Mercedes car - which worked well if the Coyo steering rack failed in a Mercedes car ....
In the case of a car - who is to blame for you?

[slipped]

Farted yet? where is the "Union" that fell? The failure was in Belarus, and not in a rocket, but with the Protons for two years already, as everything is normal. The Mercedes example is stupidly incorrect - this is not an airbag - but a trailer. This RB is used with different missiles.

[ZVO]

Quote: slipped

This RB is used with different missiles.

it doesn’t matter about RB - the Soyuz rocket fell.
Production Samara Progress.
And it doesn’t matter who makes the engines, fuel, the booster block - the rocket fell.
The Union.
Russian.
2 years ago 2 unions fell.
A year ago - Soyuz-U with Progress.

Protons have not flown for more than a year. The first launch after the break was this summer.
What 2 years without problems. Are you our sick liar?

The industry is sick.

I know this because from 1988 to 2013, I very often visited Kuznetsov, the Motor Builder, and Progress.
And I know many people.

[Young_Communist]

Quote: ZVO

All normal workers and engineers left in the early 90's when they stopped paying normally.

Stalin would have shot these national traitors.

[ZVO]

Quote: Young_Communist

Quote: ZVO

All normal workers and engineers left in the early 90's when they stopped paying normally.

Stalin would have shot these national traitors.

I would have shot you as the national traitor ...
You are a fool. juvenile.
Trying to talk about that. what you do not know and have not seen.
Have you seen how people lived in the early 90's?
Have you seen how people were not paid salaries for six months?
Have you seen how instead of a salary people were given out tracksuits or televisions?
You saw the tears and tantrums of parents who did not have the opportunity to feed their children. just feed?
and they still had to be worn ..
90th - a very scary period.
And if you are so young and stupid that you did not find this, then shut up in a rag.

[Young_Communist]

Quote: ZVO

shut up in a rag.

Do not tell me what to do and I will not say where you should go - this is the time.
I didn’t drink with you, so I don’t need to poke - these are two.
Well, and thirdly, it’s good that the evacuation and deployment of factories in the rear, during the war, were dealt with by real patriots, and not by the infantile whiners like you. Who would, having landed from the echelon in the frozen tundra, would start to idiot that they want salaries, televisions and tracksuits.

So I imagine how Shpagin or Shopkeepers leave work in the 43rd year, because they did not increase their salaries.

[Cananecat]

And will you collect rockets for 20-40 a month? No? But in vain ... I highly recommend trying a month, another ... to prevent comments on IN))))

[Vadim237]

I will only make components for them to order - nothing more.

[ZVO]

Quote: Canecat

And will you collect rockets for 20-40 a month? No? But in vain ... I highly recommend trying a month, another ... to prevent comments on IN))))

What is the difference for what money do you work?
Are you familiar with the concept of "technological map", "normalization of labor"?
If you work at a position and qualification level - it does not matter what money you receive - you must do this work at the appropriate level.
And it doesn’t matter 10 tyrov or 150 tyrov.
And attempts to transfer quality to the salary level are all garbage. You can hire more highly qualified personnel for a higher salary. But then the tasks should be of a higher level.

And then in your opinion, if a person is paid "little" for work, then he should not work, but only harm?

[Curious]

"And why are there so many problems with launching missiles in Russia?"
And the rest is no problems, only rockets do not fly.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Curious

"And why are there so many problems with launching missiles in Russia?"
And the rest is no problems, only rockets do not fly.

Well, how many of the running did not fly ????

[slipped]

so he just took off without even bothering to count

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: The_Lancet

spacecraft fell into the atlantic ocean

I wonder what the cost of these devices?
And why are there so many problems with launching missiles in Russia? After all, the Soviet Union was one of the best in this area

I advise you to study the history of unsuccessful launches in the USSR ... by the way, the failure of the Americans can also look !!!

[slipped]

Well, it's schoolchildren who had only the exam, they don’t know the story))))

[Spartanez300]

How much money drowned in the Atlantic Ocean, it's still a spacecraft and not a lawn mower where there are multiple checks and tests before launching into space

[slipped]

It happens. Satellites were insured.

[Solomon Kane]

I would Kosolapogo with Rogozin adhesive tape on stools to the booster block screwed ......

[kepmor]

then I wouldn’t have come off the earth at all ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: 210ox

Once again, the automation was calibrated with a hammer ... In general, for the FSB, the field is not plowed here .. The main thing is that the hard worker would not be made extreme. This is already a question and a system problem ..

Do they have military representatives at these enterprises, or did they "clash" with the corrupt leadership?

[passing]

Once again, the automation was calibrated with a hammer ... In general, for the FSB, the field is not plowed here .. The main thing is that the hard worker would not be made extreme. This is already a question and a system problem ..

For which FSB? Could it be for those employees who celebrated the graduation of the academy on “gels”?
So they are not up to it, they need to beat off the loot spent on studies and on graduation

[Glock]

February 1, 2013: After the launch of the Zenit-3SL launch vehicle with the Intelsat-27 telecommunications satellite from the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome, an emergency engine shutdown occurred. The rocket fell about 4 km from the launch platform. The cause of the fall was the failure of the onboard power source. The Zenit-3SL rocket was developed in the Ukrainian Yuzhnoye design bureau, and part of the components, the first-stage propulsion system, the DM-SL upper stage and the control system were manufactured at Russian enterprises.

July 2, 2013: The Proton-M rocket launched from Baikonur with three GLONASS-M navigation satellites deviated from the course, caught fire and fell. The accident occurred in the first minute of the flight. Toxic fuels and oxidizing agents were released into the environment. The cause of the fall was the failure of the first stage engine.

May 15, 2014: The Proton-M booster rocket, launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome, was unable to put the Russian communications satellite Express-AM 4P into a given orbit. The cause of the emergency was the pressure drop in one of the third-stage steering engines. Risks during startup and operation were insured for 7,8 billion rubles.

April 28, 2015: The launch of the Progress spacecraft from Baikonur with cargo for the International Space Station ended in an accident. After the launch from Progress, telemetry ceased to arrive, he could not enter the calculated orbit. Attempts to take the ship under control were unsuccessful, and on May 8, Progress burned out in dense layers of the atmosphere. The accident was caused by depressurization of the oxidizer tank and fuel tank in the third stage of the Soyuz 2.1a launch vehicle.

May 16, 2015: Proton-M with the Briz-M upper stage and the Mexican communications satellite MexSat-1 started in the morning from Baikonur. At the 498th second of the flight at an altitude of 161 km, an emergency engine shutdown occurred. As a result, the third stage of the rocket, the upper stage and the satellite almost completely burned out in the atmosphere. The cause of the accident was the failure of the third-stage steering engine.

December 5, 2015: The Cosmos-2511 military spacecraft was unable to separate from the Volga booster block of the Soyuz-2.1v rocket launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. Three days after launch, the satellite left orbit and burned out in the atmosphere. The commission investigating the incident found that the cause of the emergency was the failure of one of the four castles that held the satellite on the Volga block.

December 1, 2016: Soyuz-U launch vehicle with the Progress MS-04 spacecraft, which was supposed to deliver cargo to the ISS, launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, however, at the 383rd second of the flight during the operation of the third stage of the rocket engine RD-0110 lost contact with the ship. The fall of rocket fragments occurred about 100 km west of Kyzyl, in the Republic of Tuva, most of the debris burned in the dense layers of the atmosphere. The accident occurred due to an abnormal separation of the third stage of the rocket from a transport cargo ship.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Glock

February 1, 2013: After the launch of the Zenit-3SL launch vehicle with the Intelsat-27 telecommunications satellite from the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome, an emergency engine shutdown occurred. The rocket fell about 4 km from the launch platform. The cause of the fall was the failure of the onboard power source. The Zenit-3SL rocket was developed in the Ukrainian Yuzhnoye design bureau, and part of the components, the first-stage propulsion system, the DM-SL upper stage and the control system were manufactured at Russian enterprises.

July 2, 2013: The Proton-M rocket launched from Baikonur with three GLONASS-M navigation satellites deviated from the course, caught fire and fell. The accident occurred in the first minute of the flight. Toxic fuels and oxidizing agents were released into the environment. The cause of the fall was the failure of the first stage engine.

May 15, 2014: The Proton-M booster rocket, launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome, was unable to put the Russian communications satellite Express-AM 4P into a given orbit. The cause of the emergency was the pressure drop in one of the third-stage steering engines. Risks during startup and operation were insured for 7,8 billion rubles.

April 28, 2015: The launch of the Progress spacecraft from Baikonur with cargo for the International Space Station ended in an accident. After the launch from Progress, telemetry ceased to arrive, he could not enter the calculated orbit. Attempts to take the ship under control were unsuccessful, and on May 8, Progress burned out in dense layers of the atmosphere. The accident was caused by depressurization of the oxidizer tank and fuel tank in the third stage of the Soyuz 2.1a launch vehicle.

May 16, 2015: Proton-M with the Briz-M upper stage and the Mexican communications satellite MexSat-1 started in the morning from Baikonur. At the 498th second of the flight at an altitude of 161 km, an emergency engine shutdown occurred. As a result, the third stage of the rocket, the upper stage and the satellite almost completely burned out in the atmosphere. The cause of the accident was the failure of the third-stage steering engine.

December 5, 2015: The Cosmos-2511 military spacecraft was unable to separate from the Volga booster block of the Soyuz-2.1v rocket launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. Three days after launch, the satellite left orbit and burned out in the atmosphere. The commission investigating the incident found that the cause of the emergency was the failure of one of the four castles that held the satellite on the Volga block.

December 1, 2016: Soyuz-U launch vehicle with the Progress MS-04 spacecraft, which was supposed to deliver cargo to the ISS, launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, however, at the 383rd second of the flight during the operation of the third stage of the rocket engine RD-0110 lost contact with the ship. The fall of rocket fragments occurred about 100 km west of Kyzyl, in the Republic of Tuva, most of the debris burned in the dense layers of the atmosphere. The accident occurred due to an abnormal separation of the third stage of the rocket from a transport cargo ship.

firstly, you forgot to all this to announce the total number of Russian launches over the years ... make it easier for you - there were about 110 of them !!! secondly, you also forgot to make the same list of unsuccessful launches of other countries for the same period !!!

[slipped]

Yes, no, actually there was still a part of the "human factor". However, as most likely in this case. It is bad when the accident however, it would be better if they were not.

[slipped]

but in general, something like this:

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: 210ox

Once again, the automation was calibrated with a hammer ... In general, for the FSB, the field is not plowed here .. The main thing is that the hard worker would not be made extreme. This is already a question and a system problem ..

interesting technique !!! and if the hard worker screwed something crookedly, whom do you command to punish ???

[slipped]

And they immediately attack Rogozin, they have him extreme)))). Apparently afraid.

[1331M]

So where are the joyful recent comments on the East?

[Dead duck]

Quote: 1331M

Well, where are the joyful recent comments on the East

and what was joyful? ... with Vostochny, initially, not everything was as it should.
About start tables in general a separate song.

[Piramidon]

Quote: 1331M

So where are the joyful recent comments on the East?

Well, what does the "East" have to do with it? Understand, first, which fan to throw manure on. The cosmodrome clearly launched (there are no complaints against it). The question is about the Roskosmos, the manufacturers of the upper stage (MV Khrunichev State Space Research and Production Center), and the balabol - Rogozin - Medvedev.

[slipped]

Oh, exactly)))) "Frigate" is already being collected on TsiHe, abalde)))) Another victim of education.

[izya top]

transfer Rogozin from the officials to the scavengers, and in hell only he will be

[newcomer]

by the way about the "East". I read today on VPK.Neym (stayed there for a long time) that in the spring of 18 the construction of the launch pad for the Angara will begin. but some comrades have already managed to bury it.

[maxim947]

A heavy Angara is still needed, there is nothing else, apart from the Proton that everyone wants to bury.

[newcomer]

with “Plesetsk” there were two launches: light and solid “Hangars”, both successfully. maybe you mean superheavy? if so, then she is not far off.

[maxim947]

A5, if there is also A7 it’s very good. But on A7, everything is completely dull.

[newcomer]

judging by the fact that A5 is alive healthy, there will be both 7th and 9th. like a couple of months ago I had a big argument with my colleague alone at VO about the fate of the Angara. I am very glad that my point of view is correct: the Angara project is alive and developing.

[Solomon Kane]

Garik! The Angara project is unique ... But if people who tested the Frigate software or screened a computer game on the press release of the Defense Ministry hooked it, it will connect SEAM utter ....

[newcomer]

Konstantin, welcome! God forbid this to happen, God forbid.

[slipped]

What is young? what is the 7th and 9th? )))), there are no such. There would be 1.2 to launch next year.

[bubalik]

,,, Why is the ROC not responsible for the quality of the services provided?

[Nasrat]

The most accurate comment +

[vanavatny]

yeah, the priests have a couple of days an interesting discussion on this subject

[gloomy fox]

they have already answered claims in the spirit of All God's Will.

[the lord]

Then why didn’t they warn about the will of their superiors, again not in the know? The main thing in the profession of a fraudster, as well as a priest, is to slip away in time.

[tank66]

Apparently, there is an undercover interfaith brawl "for protection". In the East - by definition, they should feed / feed / shamans ...

[Alexey RA]

Hehehehe ... at Pan Lem was described a good technique for accepting services from worshipers:

With the Elder brother of Eternity, the jokes were bad. When the great drought came, he gave equal chances to the Christian god and Blue Turmouth, the elder spirit of sorcerers, and three weeks later, without waiting for rain, he executed the sorcerers and sent all the missionaries.

© Stanislav Lem. Professor A. Donda.

[Piramidon]

Quote: bubalik

,,, Why is the ROC not responsible for the quality of the services provided?

I wonder how much the Russian Orthodox Church has gained on this? After all, it’s not even a Merc or an oligarch’s yacht sprinkled with tap water.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Piramidon

how much did the Russian Orthodox Church weld on this?

"You slander everything on our family - this is a sin ..." Here, according to one funny "father": "Well, we are a solid brand. For a minute, two thousand years on the market ..." And, by the way, at the present cathedral (seen on TV), on the right hand of the patriarch, was sitting, just to himself, the eastern "father", the bishop-san. Well, now, for sure, personnel shifts will go, or there are part-time job shifts.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Paranoid50

Here, according to one funny "father": "Well, we are a solid brand. For a minute, two thousand years on the market ..."

The respectable Lord for respectable masters.
© Pelevin

[Young_Communist]

Quote: bubalik

,,, Why is the ROC not responsible for the quality of the services provided?

Well, what are the claims - the evil sorcerers-scientists with their rocket wanted to tear the sky like a devil's horn, but the rocket hit the firmament and crashed. All Scripture ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Young_Communist

All Scripture ...

Hmm, then this is direct sabotage.

[warriordima]

The first pancake is lumpy.))

[Muvka]

Well, the frigate is not the first time used. And the spaceport worked at 5. He had nothing to do with it.

[andr327]

This is a question! A variety of rigging, installation, pre-launch checks and direct preparation for launch is the work of the launch site, so it is not so simple.
And at the present stage, adherence to technological discipline is a very big question. Very often, complex technological operations are performed on trust, without the annoying triple control. The results we now see now, alas, too often.

[senima56]

This saga with the "Frigate" is already stuck in the teeth! Is it still impossible to figure it out?

[Piramidon]

Quote: senima56

This saga with the "Frigate" is already stuck in the teeth! Is it still impossible to figure it out?

What kind of "epic" have you imposed? Read first the statistics of launches, and then pour your slag.
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[Herculesic]

This is already like an ugly joke, problems with the industry! There are many words needed, and trust in us will soon run out completely.

[JonnyT]

They write that the frigate flew to the wrong place due to the failure of the ZhPS / Golonass. Is there a possibility that the nanosatellites that were in the load were not nanosatellites at all, but JPS / holonas jammers, EMR generators ???? It may well be.
A meteor is a dual-use satellite.

[Mihanishche]

Well done guys!
They quickly prepared the next rocket, the satellites can launch even tomorrow. It's just that too often you cannot run. Everything is fine, we are waiting for the next start !!! Good luck guys, we are proud of them!

[bald]

Gloomy thoughts haunt. If the human factor (it doesn’t matter which), and to which state does this person belong ?! Or maybe there were too many "dark" satellites on board? Or maybe a surprise from space? - to understand the full, especially foreign satellites and their purpose, maybe they missed it?

[andr327]

The country has lost its former power. When the Union on the most ancient equipment, the launch and the initial stage of flights was controlled almost along the entire trajectory. and now they can’t even determine at what point something went wrong. (This is on the maritime theme of the ships of the marine space fleet of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR. Current managers do not need them)

[bald]

I think the cause of the accident is well known, only it is not for the general public, especially for other states.

[slipped]

With the Union, you would not know about an unsuccessful launch. )))) The maximum would be a short note in Izvestia about the next Cosmos.

[wax]

I, too, almost started to think that Stalin was too suspicious, but no, just as much as it was necessary to ensure the progress of the USSR.
My badge has nothing to do with Ukraine: this is how Crimea is marked on the site, the site doesn’t give a damn about my state ownership.

[Sergey824]

What is this indispensable frigate? If memory fails, then it’s not the first time it brings it to the wrong place? New managers again rule?

[Vadim237]

There are no managers there, but there are workers with a Razdolby approach, in general Roscosmos is a very muddy corporation. In the place of the president, I would launch a full audit of this concern and all the industries associated with it - an autopsy would absolutely show that they had plundered, probably already, not a hundred billion rubles in 10 years.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sergey824

What is this indispensable frigate? If memory fails, then it’s not the first time it brings it to the wrong place? New managers again rule?

At the expense of the "frigate" - nonsense and do not need to repeat what you do not understand. From 2000 to 2017, out of 42 launches, only 2 failed.

[Wolka]

it's time to think about a device for the forced evacuation of cargo to the ground in the event of an accident of upper stages

[Vadim237]

This can only be done in reusable withdrawal systems - in this direction, we have one project, only whether they will bring it to the end is a big question.

[APASUS]

The crisis in rocket science is on the face. Although I’m rather sure that someone was paid, all too soon began to fall, there are no more infallible missiles.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: APASUS

The crisis in rocket science is on the face. Although I’m rather sure that someone was paid, all too soon began to fall, there are no more infallible missiles.

and what is the crisis expressed ??? at least 50% have failed starts ???

[slipped]

In the minds of some commentators here. )))))

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: APASUS

The crisis in rocket science is on the face. Although I’m rather sure that someone was paid, all too soon began to fall, there are no more infallible missiles.

and what is the crisis expressed ??? at least 50% have failed starts ???

What 50%, why did you see enough? The limit of unsuccessful launches is 15%, and 10% is already the premium rate soars up to heaven !!

[Fedya2017]

North Koreans launched their new rocket successfully ... Range - 12 thousand km . it is already intercontinental.

[da Vinci]

From the news, "Roskosmos refused to launch from Vostochny" ... What a pity I am that space research in Russia is ## rile! And what was the pride of the country! Only ROGozin (and others like him) for the East (and other similar projects) need to do so :

[Vadim237]

Roscosmos does not decide - from where they say, from there it will launch.

[slipped]

Ukrainian news? so no wonder. They have a trend in Russia.

[Normal ok]

And where are yesterday's idiots? Tongue in the ass?

[Old26]

Quote: Scoun

From the “Protons” to the Unions, the frigate infection was transplanted.

But nothing that the "Frigates" never stood on the "Protons"? And why the infection? What, there were many accidents caused by these upper stages?

Quote: newbie

judging by the fact that A5 is alive healthy, there will be both 7th and 9th. like a couple of months ago I had a big argument with my colleague alone at VO about the fate of the Angara. I am very glad that my point of view is correct: the Angara project is alive and developing.

The hangar A-7 program is closed. Moreover, starting A-5 and starting A-7 are not the same. And no one is going to build a launcher for the Angara A-7. A A-9 was not even in the project.

[slipped]

What cannot be closed cannot be closed. A7 is not even an advance project, but an offer. There will be A5M, in perspective with KVTK.

[Old26]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Sergey824

What is this indispensable frigate? If memory fails, then it’s not the first time it brings it to the wrong place? New managers again rule?

At the expense of the "frigate" - nonsense and do not need to repeat what you do not understand. From 2000 to 2017, out of 42 launches, only 2 failed.

3. 8.11. 2011, 23.12.20114/XNUMX/XNUMX and the extreme.

[slipped]

Your old Frigates have already broken in the distant future. ))))

[gorenina91]

-Of course ... -the shortage of experienced specialists is said .., but personally it seems to me that it’s not only the matter of specialists ...
-Well, how so ... -all of these "space launches" and "undocking" have long been worked out ... -nothing new ... -And they can even assemble a rocket, create a program, launch a rocket ... " rookie rookies ".., it’s not even necessary here that all of them are" excellent students "...
- It seems to me that this is a clear “work” of some foreign intelligence ... ... Russia is under pressure ... even sports, even past Olympics, doping controls ... All gathered together in a heap against Russia enemies ... -And the cosmodrome ...- this is such an opportunity to once again compromise Russia ...
-Yes, the Vostochny Cosmodrome is also for the Chinese ... -as a bone in the throat ... -If, if v. Vostochny starts successful launches, then the entire eastern Russian region will receive powerful development ... -There will be new Russian cities, new plants, the necessary infrastructure is created and so on ...
-Therefore, sabotage, bribery of specialists, etc., are real and possible ...
-Because the missiles do not explode at the start .., and then after that, after the launch, missiles begin to experience incomprehensible failures (some small invisible hidden imperfections, so as not to cause obvious suspicion ...) ... -so ... ... maybe it’s not a matter of specialists at all ...

[Seraphimamur]

Starts will be canceled before the presidential election so that the achievement rating is not spoiled.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Old26

3. 8.11. 2011, 23.12.20114/XNUMX/XNUMX and the extreme.

With the extreme, so far there are no official conclusions. Everything is at the stage of speculation.

[Old26]

Quote: znavel

And the chronology of the falls is quite extensive and continues throughout the whole time, only launches with the astronauts are successful.

Not always. It’s just that we didn’t know about it before. But emergency situations were also on the descent, when they were landing not on a standard trajectory, but on a ballistic one with great acceleration, and there was an explosion on the 1st ("Gagarinskaya") site, and the rocket went into the distance on the site of the 3rd stage. Everyone was

Quote: slipped

Your old Frigates have already broken in the distant future. ))))

Ah .... a nightmare. It’s necessary to change the clave ... Or maybe just fix it with a hammer. Thank. Extra unit - believe me this is an unfortunate accident. I promise to recover and as a punishment to deprive myself of the Friday soldering of cognac (but only one soldering)