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The Radical Fracture of Demography: New Initiatives of Vladimir Putin

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The initiatives to support motherhood and childhood, voiced on the eve of Vladimir Putin, actually indicate that Putin made the decision to run for president in 2018. In addition, the initiatives of the head of state are aimed at trying to fundamentally reverse the demographic situation in the country.




Recall that the president’s initiative is to extend the maternity program to (at least) 2021 of the year, introduce monthly payments of up to 11 thousand rubles to the families in which the firstborn was born. The president also made a mortgage subsidy offer for families in which second and subsequent children are born. In particular, the state is ready to help Russian families purchasing housing in a mortgage, so that the mortgage rate for them will be no more than 6% per annum. The rate applies to the term 3 of the year for families in which the 2 child was born, and up to 5 years for families with a third child.

According to the calculations of the Ministry of Finance, such a program at the first stage involves financing at the level of 50 billion rubles. The main part of it will be financed from the state budget. For comparison: this is less than a third of the amount of the loan allocated to (and in fact, donated and “forgiven”) to Ukraine. And really - if the funds for the support of foreign states (often - and hostile) are in the treasury, it would be strange if the funds were not for the support of their own citizens.

It was noteworthy that even Alexei Kudrin, known for his attitude towards saving methods, supported the initiatives of Vladimir Putin, calling them "an important step in the development of human capital."
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 29 November 2017 08: 06
    15
    Vladimir Putin's initiatives are aimed at a radical change in the demographic situation


    belay What happened then ??? ... why did the GDP suddenly remember this ???
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 29 November 2017 08: 08
      34
      The pre-election gingerbreads began to promise. They will not support everyone, but only those families in which the income per family member does not exceed 1,5 living wages
      1. klaus16
        klaus16 29 November 2017 08: 22
        18
        If Putin promises, he does. Unlike others. Therefore, even if before the election, it’s still good. This help will reach people.
        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 29 November 2017 08: 33
          28
          Have you read what you wrote a little higher? - 1,5 from the cost of living! - these are those who earn less than 13000 rubles! I have two children, I want a third, but I don’t have any Pontus! In the sense of help from the state! Wife will go on maternity leave, but I still do not fit!
          1. Stone
            Stone 29 November 2017 08: 40
            10
            Come, this is income for 1 family member, i.e. 13000 * 5 = 65000 p. your family’s income.
            If you are not a resident of Moscow or St. Petersburg, then most likely you’ll come.
            1. Stone
              Stone 29 November 2017 08: 46
              +6
              And by the way, the cost of living, for example in Kirov (far from the richest region), is 9503 rubles, i.e. 9503 * 1,5 = 14254,5 * 5 = 71272,50 rub.
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 29 November 2017 09: 02
                +3
                You will understand that help is only for the first-born?
                1. Stone
                  Stone 29 November 2017 09: 49
                  +1
                  I'm talking about a mortgage benefit. As for the first-born, then 9503 * 3 = 28509, if the wife does not work, then this is the husband's income. Officially in Kirov, units have such a salary, and those most likely, if they want, will let their salary under 28509 rubles.
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 29 November 2017 09: 55
                    +8
                    With such income (what you described) to take a mortgage - die of hunger .. bully
                    1. Victor N
                      Victor N 29 November 2017 10: 48
                      +3
                      You have to rely on yourself, but for ANY help it is customary to say THANKS!
                      1. Dr_engie
                        Dr_engie 29 November 2017 11: 31
                        +3
                        Thank you need to say for what really can be obtained, not for words. You don’t take a mortgage that way, that way. We considered options in the summer in their province (Astrakhan) of 2 rooms, so there the monthly installment leaves more than the entire salary. Like everything, then you can’t even continue the conversation, and not to mention the fact that you still need to scrape together for the down payment.
                      2. dauria
                        dauria 29 November 2017 11: 32
                        +6
                        You have to rely on yourself, but for ANY help it is customary to say THANKS


                        "Arrange only so that from now on
                        Not for long I thanked. "Mikhail Yuryevich wink
                        Absolutely stunned. And what the hell did the state give up then? By the way, it lives on the money (labor) of these citizens. And another subtlety - Putin does not pay out of pocket, but out of the total. Including from the pocket of those whom "helps."
                        And it’s NOT HELP, but PURCHASE of votes before the election

            2. Anarchist
              Anarchist 29 November 2017 09: 07
              15
              I work in the suburbs! I can count! I’m not right!
              Working not at home increases costs! And who works in the north? There the prices are different!
              And what - earn less? Where is the equality?
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 29 November 2017 09: 20
                20
                Yes, everyone perfectly understands that Vova is throwing dust in his eyes ... it is necessary to shoot, for each (of the proposed) initiative of Vova! Rich - getting rich, poor - getting poorer !!!
              2. Stone
                Stone 29 November 2017 09: 51
                0
                In the north, the minimum living wage is higher, as in the suburbs (for example, 11865 p.).
                1. Anarchist
                  Anarchist 29 November 2017 11: 19
                  +9
                  I do not live in the suburbs, I work there!
                  read carefully
                  Quote: Anarchist
                  Not working at home increases costs
                  1. Stone
                    Stone 29 November 2017 17: 03
                    0
                    So you earn a lot and you do not need this benefit laughing , although of course I agree with you - the restriction of 1,5 living wages is not serious.
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 29 November 2017 08: 43
            +5
            Quote: Anarchist
            Have you read what you wrote a little higher? - 1,5 from the cost of living! - these are those who earn less than 13000 rubles! I have two children, I want a third, but I don’t have any Pontus! In the sense of help from the state! Wife will go on maternity leave, but I still do not fit!

            Um, stop stop comrades, if I don’t confuse anything until the family income is divided into all family members and conclusions are drawn from this.
            Comrade, help NDFL-2 in your hands and go to social protection, you need subsidies at least. In general, you should contact and clarify.
            hi
            But as the old-timed, pennies noted, the material worked out and this is a big omission of the state, including in terms of demography, it’s commonplace to sometimes watch nobody have “grandchildren”, because not everyone is up to retirement, especially men.
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          3. Loess
            Loess 29 November 2017 09: 36
            +7
            I have two children, I want a third, but I don’t have any Pontus!
            Have you got the first two too, for the sake of Pontus?
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            2. Anarchist
              Anarchist 29 November 2017 14: 52
              11
              No need to pull out of context
              Quote: Anarchist
              I have two children, I want a third, but I don’t have any Pontus! In the sense of help from the state!

              For myself, dear, and future ones too. . .
          4. Sfurei
            Sfurei 29 November 2017 11: 58
            +3
            And mat capital is also not suitable for you? Stop complaining .... They announce a freebie, so no, it’s bad, because it’s not for me ....
            1. Anarchist
              Anarchist 29 November 2017 14: 02
              12
              And where is the equality?
              Poverty to produce - this is welcome! A person who can provide children and wants a lot of them - a cookie! And that without oil ...
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                1. Anarchist
                  Anarchist 29 November 2017 14: 41
                  14
                  Do not judge by yourself!
                  This is not a question, but a call! Nevertheless, they yell about equality before the law and the purity of thoughts of the Guarantor!
                  That's just all this populism! I will raise my children without a state! I just don’t want the demographic growth raised by people like I attributed to the government! Led by the president, especially the prime minister!
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 29 November 2017 19: 38
                    +2
                    This is not a question, but a call!

                    This is a good call, you can still call for eternal life - everyone probably will.
                    And so on the points:
                    1. Equality has never been and is nowhere. Disagree - show an example.
                    2. Equality before the law means that THE SAME SITUATION LAW MUST HAVE ANYWHERE. In this case, the income is different - the situation is different. I can write a whole treatise about this, for example, about the fact that a policeman can shoot you and nothing will happen to him, but if you are a pregnant woman, then he will, but if you are two pregnant women, you will not. AND THIS DOES NOT VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW. Well, that is, most of those who yell are simply legally illiterate (and you too) Here you can not answer, everything is clear.
                    3. About whose merit, of course, of parents, does the GDP say that he gave birth to all (a rhetorical question) But doesn’t maternal capital help parents? But this is not rhetorical - answer contributes or not?

                    By the way, they didn’t drink at the Brudershaft.
                    1. Anarchist
                      Anarchist 29 November 2017 19: 57
                      12
                      But the cash flow managed!
                      I found fault with 1 phrase, ignoring all of the above!
                      It is not maternal capital and subsidies that contribute to fertility, but decent life, earnings, and social benefits! If a person is fully arranged, confident in the future, then he simply does not need everything else!
                      So you can continue to praise the president for trying to patch up what must be sewn again! Because of these subsidies and so on, many children give birth! But the future of these children is foggy ... but the future of these children is foggy ...
        2. faiver
          faiver 29 November 2017 08: 48
          17
          If Putin promises, he does. Unlike others.
          - blessed is he who believes ....
        3. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 29 November 2017 09: 23
          18
          Hordes from Asian villages and villages will only increase queues for citizenship, migration risks of corruption will grow ...
          We need filters in the context of making such decisions.
          To us, in the light of events, are there still not enough "Muslim societies"?
          Preference, like the vast majority, to live in a homogeneous ethno-confessional environment. Comfortable, you know. And relatively safe.
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          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 29 November 2017 11: 48
            +9
            Quote: Pax tecum
            Hordes from Asian villages and villages will only increase queues for citizenship, migration risks of corruption will grow ...

            A colleague, narrow beks, not only are they imported in large quantities in the Russian Federation, but they have already begun to multiply here.
            Moreover, Russia is no longer the cultural melting pot that could adapt and assimilate newcomers. Now migrants live in their enclaves, communicate in their own language, and build their medieval structures.
            Quote: Pax tecum
            Preference, like the vast majority, to live in a homogeneous ethno-confessional environment. Comfortable, you know. And relatively safe.

            Have you ever asked yourself the question, why is the “vulture” imposed on the 2010 census data? Just about ..., using simple arithmetic operations, you can calculate the quantitative indicator of the population of the Russian Federation, starting from the last Soviet census in the RSFSR.
            According to "soft" estimates, we do not have about 20-25 million dead souls fighting, Nikolai Vasilich smokes nervously. But this is also a statistical electorate, these "dead souls" and can vote if that.
            And now a simple question, why exactly after the 2010 census did the influx of migrants increase by orders of magnitude? The answer is not a kosher, a project called "utilization of Russia" is entering its final phase.
            1. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 29 November 2017 12: 19
              +2
              Interesting "not for everyone" information, colleague! I will study in detail the problematic issue identified by you.
              I really do not want to really experience the literary genre of "dystopia."
              The worst thing is that for "putting in place new Russians" their own "bearers and fellow countrymen" related to the federal executive authorities will begin to press, in line with the "incomprehensible and inaudible" migration policy.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 29 November 2017 13: 25
                +2
                Quote: Pax tecum
                The worst thing is that for "putting in place new Russians" their own "bearers and fellow countrymen" related to the federal executive authorities will begin to press, in line with the "incomprehensible and inaudible" migration policy.

                Serious money is spinning there.
                August 2 of this year, I am in the old tradition wassat stopped near the camber with watermelons lol How much, I say, those 25 rubles. I take a couple, but immediately drop it ..., scandal, however. It is clear that the two shopkeepers are not at all “contingent”, the dialogue was short and very tough, the Stripes pulled themselves up right there, squandering the property of the defeated enemy fellow Two minutes later, the “diaspora” arrived in the amount of 7 cars and the “peaceful Dykkhan” spilled out from the five-sevens, like gorokhkhhhh belay Then everything was very distinct, harsh and precise, on their part, except for the bits, there were knives and injuries, and on our side were berets, vests and RB-1 good In general, jolly, when our fighter, breaking the side window of another “shaitan-arba”, took out a glove box and threw it to the appealing side laughing
                A cranky Lexus arrived, their chief said "sha", the Uruks immediately demoterized, and then the cops arrived, so they didn’t even look at the documents, only the eldest said, but we warned them .... There are no losses from our side soldier
                Here is such a disposition ..., the daughters are engaged in the Show of Tao, and the son is sambo. soldier
            2. Scoun
              Scoun 29 November 2017 12: 49
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              Have you ever asked yourself the question, why is the “vulture” imposed on the 2010 census data?

              Ummm
              Do not exaggerate so much.
              1. Pax tecum
                Pax tecum 29 November 2017 13: 13
                +4
                There is a lie, there is a blatant lie, and there are statistics.
                I am sure that neither you nor I have access to real "Kremlin" information.
                I believe what I see and what I can verify myself, having a generally accessible system (scale) of measures.
                And where are you and how you will take into account the “non-citizens” of the Russian Federation (that is, labor migrants), of which, according to the official (on TV and other media) replicas of our parliamentarians, up to 15 million snouts And about 50% have a residence permit or temporary residence, further in the future citizenship.
                For comparison: Moscow (city) - officially (!) - up to 15 million people. = 10% of Russia.

                In my Krasnoyarsk, or Novosibirsk inadvertently look, feel, so to speak, official statistics.
                And further. In the passports of the Russian Federation “new Russians” very often ethnicity belongs to immigrants from Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc.
                FMS officers and border guards know the real picture.
              2. Dedall
                Dedall 29 November 2017 22: 47
                +2
                By the way, according to the 2002 census, the Chechens turned out to be 1,5 million more real than the real ones. But each of them later received compensation, such as for lost property during the hostilities. So all this digital figure is a lie to deceive us, the orphans and the wretched. And now, no one works in the Chechen Republic and live on subsidies that we pay to them. Something it reminds me of the Golden Horde.
          3. evsyukov_a
            evsyukov_a 29 November 2017 14: 11
            +1
            I agree. It is only a pity that our preferences are taken into account only in the context of manifestations of nationalism. And that’s only because - and this is the most important reason - migrants are absolutely fantastic feeding trough. Well, you can speculate: the population is growing, but slowly, but surely. And the village where my ancestors lived for 200 years is barely breathing ...
        4. Sofa General
          Sofa General 29 November 2017 10: 28
          +7
          If Putin promises, he does. Unlike others. Therefore, even if before the election, it’s still good. This help will reach people.

          2.5 million new jobs where?
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 29 November 2017 11: 14
            +3
            and the May decrees are fulfilled?
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 29 November 2017 11: 25
            +4
            Quote: Sofa General
            2.5 million new jobs where?

            Correct Colleague, 25 million.
            1. Dr_engie
              Dr_engie 29 November 2017 11: 33
              +4
              Yeah, and even traditionally promised to keep gas prices in the framework of decency. And in general a lot of things, actually.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 29 November 2017 16: 12
                +4
                Quote: Dr_Engie
                Yeah, and even traditionally promised to keep gas prices in the framework of decency. And in general a lot of things, actually.

        5. NKVD
          NKVD 29 November 2017 10: 52
          +8
          I do not agree. Our guarantor of the constitution signed the anti-constitutional law of Spring. Yes, and the promise to increase the welfare of the people, while the welfare grows only among the oligarchs and the people slide into poverty. Typical campaign promises.
        6. Now we are free
          Now we are free 29 November 2017 11: 10
          11
          Being the father of three children and reading the comments, I clearly understood that Putin’s yesterday’s initiative is nothing but the short-sighted, vile, treacherous, ostentatious (underline) initiative for the entire time of his reign.

          Well, gentlemen, commentators ...

          PS
          Especially touched the first lines of the article- Initiatives voiced by Vladimir Putin on the support of motherhood and childhood in fact, they say that Putin decided to run for president in 2018. Editorial Board VO special greetings, directly from Medusa / Echo / Rain (underline as appropriate) an article with such an analytical title? Forgot to add - Fearing advancing on the heels of the rating of Navalny and Sobchak, Putin finally decided to turn around to face the people ... good
        7. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 29 November 2017 11: 21
          12
          Quote: klaus16
          If Putin promises, he does. Unlike others.

          Oh, you are not from the Olgin case?
          The designated citizen promised a doubling of the GDP, then he promised 25 million highly skilled jobs, he was also going to catch up with and overtake Portugal, he had been defeating corruption for 18 years ...
          So he is the master of his word, he gave it.
        8. Professor
          Professor 29 November 2017 11: 42
          +3
          Quote: klaus16
          If Putin promises, he does. Unlike others. Therefore, even if before the election, it’s still good. This help will reach people.

          Vladimir Putin announced the course for doubling GDP in a message to the Federal Assembly of 16 on May 2003: "In a decade, we must at least double the country's gross domestic product ..."
          Always and everywhere before the election (even if they do not really mean a choice), everyone promises mountains of gold. This is how the world works.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 29 November 2017 14: 16
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Vladimir Putin announced the course for doubling GDP in a message to the Federal Assembly of 16 on May 2003:

            2003 - 13208,2 billion rubles
            2016 - 86043,6 billion rubles
        9. vadsonen
          vadsonen 29 November 2017 13: 21
          +5
          If Putin promises, he does. Unlike others.

        10. Trotil42
          Trotil42 29 November 2017 14: 43
          +5
          In ... such nonsense ... dear to you in a state fool .... Putin promised and does ... five times ha = ha ... he promised a doubling of GDP every 10 years ... doubled as I want ... Fulfillment of social guarantees ... they heard anything about indexing ... You would be respected in Kashchenko ... free medicine ... finally nonsense .. every day they collect for a dying child ...
        11. aikon1974
          aikon1974 29 November 2017 17: 01
          +3
          Read his old theses 10 - 15 years ago, what has been done? I’m afraid to think what will happen after the next show called elections.
      2. keeper03
        keeper03 29 November 2017 12: 33
        +4
        At the same time, the question remains, not will fall whether such families in bondage, because of and so, it’s not God knows what earnings, so still and the mortgage will pull to the bottom !!! request
        So all these promises are sewn with white thread !!! sad
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 November 2017 08: 09
      19
      Quote: The same Lech
      Vladimir Putin's initiatives are aimed at a radical change in the demographic situation


      belay What happened then ??? ... why did the GDP suddenly remember this ???

      that's what Elections, life-giving do !!! wink
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 29 November 2017 08: 25
        17
        From the proposed Vovka, real help the poor(others will not be given) it is 10,5 thousand rubles per first-born monthly, up to 1,5 years ...

        Vova, did not try to build housing for social hiring? And you don’t need to take mortgages for the young ... you don’t have to go to bondage for the young for 5-10-15 years ... They will only spend money on paying the bank ... laughing With social hiring, again, this increases the mobility of the young workforce ... but no, you need to tie the youth with a mortgage, a private coat - serfdom ...
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 29 November 2017 08: 26
          +5
          Quote: Nasr
          Of the proposed Vovka, real help to the poor (others will not be given) is 10,5 thousand rubles.

          moreover, "pennies" - for the board - the spent material ... it has already been said that the workers are fucking (such a separation), as if the old people are working for nothing, and not for nothing to live on.
        2. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 08: 28
          +3
          In a month, for 18 months, almost 200 thousand.
      2. Trotil42
        Trotil42 29 November 2017 14: 45
        0
        Damn ... they took up demographics ... then condoms will be canceled ... smile
    3. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 08: 27
      +2
      Lech.
      Over the past couple of years, the situation has worsened, so I remembered.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 29 November 2017 08: 28
      +2
      Somehow, demography is not very dependent on this. In fact, for families with an income of less than 50 thousand rubles, where there are children, these 10 thousand would also be useful. hi
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 29 November 2017 08: 38
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Somehow, demography is not very dependent on this. In fact, families with an income of less than 50 thousand rubles., where are the children these 10 thousand would also be useful. hi

        10 thousand give the first-born .... wassat And with an income of 50 thousand rubles. - It is unlikely that they will give this money, it is said to the poor !! bully But the poor, really help to live 1,5 years ... and then let them starve .... wassat Oh, Vovka is a cunning !!!
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 29 November 2017 08: 57
          +6
          With a family income of less than 50 thousand, these are not poor, but poor! 50 thousand - just a tenth of the salary of the deputy - balabol.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 29 November 2017 09: 03
            +4
            It’s the beggars of everyday life ... but the state-not beggars !!! bully
        2. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 29 November 2017 11: 37
          +4
          Despite the fact that after 1,5 years, at least another half a year, the mother is on maternity leave, not receiving anything, because maternity only a year and a half, and in the kindergarten (and only in the nursery, and they, for a second, not in every kindergarten at all) take children from only 2 years old!
          Yes, after 1,5 years they pay of course, but in my city it is about 600 rubles, so ... half a year will not only have to go hungry, but just to survive, I would say.
        3. Victor N
          Victor N 29 November 2017 15: 36
          +1
          He ceased to serve the poor: they ask for a penny - I give the ruble, and me - obscenities.
          A rare grandmother will say thanks.
          If proud - do not ask and do not take it - earn it yourself. And took - say THANKS.
      2. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 08: 45
        +5
        Sybarite.
        "With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool" :-)
        In general, the title of the article is also delusional, well, what is the fundamental change in demography?
      3. Victor N
        Victor N 29 November 2017 10: 56
        +2
        Modesty beautifies.
        In connection with the upcoming elections, a pandemic epidemic is expected, symptoms are already observed.
    5. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 November 2017 08: 51
      +4
      . Why suddenly the GDP remembered this?
      Elections...
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 29 November 2017 09: 51
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What happened then ??? ... why did the GDP suddenly remember this ???

      Yes, actually no shit happened. The maternity capital initiative itself belongs to Putin. In this case, a decision was made to extend its program with a plus on the mortgage and payment of benefits. But for screechers, everything is bad, and that they would extend it if they closed the program.
    7. Vend
      Vend 29 November 2017 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Vladimir Putin's initiatives are aimed at a radical change in the demographic situation


      belay What happened then ??? ... why did the GDP suddenly remember this ???

      And he did not forget, just being surrounded by people for whom Russia is a feeding trough, you have to wait for the right time. It’s like with the protection of interest holders from unscrupulous developers.
    8. zloybond
      zloybond 29 November 2017 10: 02
      +3
      Yes, everything would be fine, but all this needs to be introduced on the periphery, in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and in other millionaires, this is generally useless .... only feed office plankton and propagate it.
    9. nemec55
      nemec55 29 November 2017 10: 50
      +3
      Ponte all this, he brought up two children himself did not receive anything from the state (children and those who laughed said like such as a man and children do not take a cold)
      The state stably provides us only protection from the aggressor at the expense of our well-being. How many resources we produce and sell and there are no roads and the population is simply impoverished
      Do you know that the first one caught my eye after a trip to relatives in Germany? The first thing that caught my eye upon arrival was our cars are old and worn and this only speaks of one beggar
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 29 November 2017 20: 12
        0
        Quote: nemec55
        Ponty all this, he raised two children, he received nothing from the state

        Volodya, Ponty is what you write. If 55 in your nickname is the year of birth, then your children were born in the late 70s and early 80s, when they received the same kindergarten without any problems, there was normal feeding and honey. service.
        Quote: nemec55
        The state to us stably provides only protection against the aggressor due to our well-being
        Well, my friend does not have to choose here. Or well-being for which you have to pay in the form of taxes, or life under the aggressor, when you work for a bowl of pottage.
        Quote: nemec55
        How many resources we produce and sell, but there are no roads and the population is simply poor

        Russia, territorially, not Germany. This is in Germany, relatively speaking, 10 cars of asphalt can be rolled out on all roads, and we do not have enough asphalt from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok.
        Quote: nemec55
        Do you know that the first one caught my eye after a trip to relatives in Germany?

        If you pay visits to Germany, then you are clearly not a poor person. Your relatives are imposing sanctions on us so that our citizen falls into need, and you take our full-weight rubles there.
        Quote: nemec55
        The first thing that caught my eye upon arrival was our cars are old and worn and this only speaks of one beggar

        The people are not a beggar, but living within their means, besides a great connoisseur of retro cars. In everything you need to be able to find a positive moment.)))
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 30 November 2017 10: 48
          0
          Nyrobsky laughing well guessed nothing drinks
          I am 39 in Russia ten times less expensive than in Germany and went to Germany with my children at the expense of relatives (sisters and sons-in-law) who made a call to me (ashamed but measured) and still brought money from there and the poor people have the most to eat and lives within its means not because of savings but because of poverty
    10. Overlock
      Overlock 29 November 2017 11: 12
      +2
      elections loomed, stuffing the electorate-I remember everything and I know everything
    11. kefan
      kefan 29 November 2017 19: 50
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What happened then ??? ... why did the GDP suddenly remember this ???

      Like what, the elections are on the nose, and in general, the demographic situation in the country long ago had to be paid close attention.
    12. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 29 November 2017 21: 01
      +2
      The same LECHA Today, 08:06 Well now, we’ll heal the brothers! fellow In every gesture, in every word one feels ,, the care of the father of one’s wassat
  2. Buffet
    Buffet 29 November 2017 08: 13
    +5
    For comparison: this is less than a third of the amount allocated (but actually donated and “forgiven”) to Ukraine.
    maybe I missed something? Where and when did they forgive him? Personally, I have not heard about this.
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 08: 23
      0
      The author of the article is cheating for some reason. The same goes for elections, he is cheating too.
  3. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 29 November 2017 08: 28
    21
    That's it, I watch conversations again went about the "extra", "unaccounted for" economy "millions of Russians (the" Reindeer Herder "just now crucified about 15 million" extra "peasants) ... But what about his (GDP) old" dreams "about the" millions of hardworking Chinese, "who in the future should replace the Russians with their" inefficient work "..... Isn't he," by chance "in the past," mentioned (like "as a joke", yeah) that that he, in general, doesn’t care how cross-eyed the whole working population of Russia will be ... winked
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 29 November 2017 11: 04
      0
      You look amazingly like a labeled provocateur! Or a coincidence?
  4. Loess
    Loess 29 November 2017 08: 43
    +1
    For comparison: this is less than a third of the amount allocated (but actually donated and “forgiven”) to Ukraine. And indeed - if funds to support foreign states (often - and hostile ones) are in the treasury,
    this insert in the article looks ... hmm ... like a saddle on a cow. The author, you counted how many kindergartens for this money were not built, how many tractors for this money agriculture were missing, well, etc., etc.
  5. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 29 November 2017 08: 45
    10
    Hooray! There will be more of us soon than the Chinese! A radical change!
    And, yesterday I read about the dangers of the election at the present time. From he is the result! From she is the "social orientation" of the state! What will be closer to March ?!
    Maternity support and housing is great! A direct relationship between fertility and money has been revealed! And, those who gave birth to a child yesterday, they are patriots, and patriots, as you know, do not need money. And here is an amount less than a third of loans to Ukraine.
    Against the backdrop of the ban on equity participation in construction and lending only through banks, it looks somewhat different. As another support for banks.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 29 November 2017 08: 56
      +5
      So the "banks", the "economic bloc" of Russia (who can tell me what it is-in the "translation" into a normal language?) Are recognized as the "locomotives of the whole economy" with priority financing and priority over other sectors, "spheres", economics countries ... Moreover, they are still recognized and "the most vulnerable" -how!
  6. loginovich
    loginovich 29 November 2017 08: 53
    +6
    According to the Finance Ministry, such a program at the first stage involves financing at the level of 50 billion rubles. Its main part will be financed from the state budget. For comparison: this is less than a third of the amount allocated (but actually donated and “forgiven”) [i] Ukraine loan [/ b].

    What Ukraine is guilty of the demographic situation in the Russian Federation? As I understand it, those who are stubborn not only on the banks of the Dnieper, but also the Moscow River and the Volga, fruitfully hatred between Russians and Ukrainians kindle.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 29 November 2017 08: 56
      17
      Yes, ordinary people have long forgotten about Ukraine and Ukrainians .... only in VO they still write articles, but they tryndy in the mailbox ... - in fact, I won’t ask anyone - to go to Ukraine and what’s going on ...
      1. loginovich
        loginovich 29 November 2017 09: 29
        +1
        However, the Russian soul is also “wide” and the girl’s memory.
        As I understand about Ukraine, only Georgians Saakashvili remembers and Georgians Stalin remembered when he added banderlogs, the rest have a girl's memory.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 29 November 2017 09: 34
          +8
          The memory of girls is for those who sold their grandfathers for cookies ... Russians have contempt for such people ..
          1. loginovich
            loginovich 29 November 2017 10: 07
            0
            Here in more detail, whom did I sell for cookies?
          2. loginovich
            loginovich 29 November 2017 13: 28
            0
            And what was the Soviet Union sold to the Russians?

            For education look
            Impudent lie about the population of Russia.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYf6go-qJE
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 29 November 2017 09: 52
      +3
      Quote: loginovich
      (but actually donated and “forgiven”) [i] Ukraine loan [/ b].
      What Ukraine is guilty of the demographic situation in the Russian Federation?

      Ukraine has nothing to do with it. Could be compared with forgiven amounts to others. Everything is relative. And caring for motherhood too.
      There is no hatred towards Ukrainians. There is to fascism and nationalism.
  7. sergo1914
    sergo1914 29 November 2017 08: 55
    +4
    Summary: we live well, and in 2018 we will live even better.
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 29 November 2017 08: 55
    +5
    everyone is discussing
    initiatives to support motherhood and childhood
    Maybe one initiative is needed to create a normal economy, when people will not be afraid to give birth and raise children?
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    2. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 29 November 2017 11: 42
      +8
      Yeah, in the winter I myself fell into this situation - a six-month-old child in her arms, my wife on maternity leave and they cut me down, along with a bunch of other people - cost optimization. And they reduced it not from a sharashka, but from a municipal budget institution. From her, concern for the population is that.
    3. Elka13
      Elka13 29 November 2017 13: 18
      +2
      The most correct comment! But how to create it, so that it is not isolated as a Soviet, but would get ties with the whole world, and take the appropriate place. There are all the factors in a row, and labor efficiency, and attractiveness for investors, etc. The rich should be comfortable working in the country and investing in their business, that is, the economy should not only be competitive, but also with stable growth! because it is growth that attracts money. In addition, you will have to beat famous manufacturers from their own market in order to gain a share. I’m all about the fact that it’s like a war without shots, but with the victims and the state it’s necessary to create a normal structure for managing the economic battlefield, with posts and responsibilities and a strategic plan.
  9. alavrin
    alavrin 29 November 2017 08: 59
    +3
    The headings ... the Soviet tradition is not the best ..) And as for the essence, I must say thanks to the fuck for our happy 90s ... and for the loss of 10 million people. in childbearing age
  10. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 29 November 2017 08: 59
    10
    So I look at all this and think, come up with different systems, confuse everything and all these actions to the citizens and officials to rake. Why not do it like in the UAE, a child was born, 1000 dirhams (15-16 thousand rubles) is added to the parent’s salary, another 1000 more children were born and so on, 3, 4, 5 and let them give birth to the tenth, etc., and so on until adulthood or before entering work (obligatory after graduation or military service) there are many options and no problems whatsoever, the parents themselves will determine the priorities and I think this amount will suit them. Yes, and it is necessary to develop medicine and education, to stimulate in other ways, a third child was born an apartment, a fifth house with a plot and a Gazelle was born, the seventh one-time bonus of 1 million rubles was born, 10 is another bonus of 2 million rubles, so greed for it SIN, even if the government does not blunt, its officials steal less and then there is enough money for demography, you just need to put political will and mind to it, but the truth is somehow difficult.
  11. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 09: 01
    18
    Nonsense! There is no complete system for supporting motherhood and childhood in Russia! I say this as a person who has children. And even these half measures will not bring any benefit. THE AUTHORITIES HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING UNDERSTANDING AND MAJOR DESIRE FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC SITUATION IN RUSSIA! The authorities do not need extra people! There are no jobs even for the people that already exist, and there will be even fewer (jobs). I will say seditious, but no less obvious thought, all these initiatives are not to support families with children, but to support business! Children care about power only in the context of earning money for them for everyone. Read carefully at least about subsidizing. Mortgages subsidize only a mortgage when buying in a new house, i.e. in this case, support builders and bankers. And so in everything, if you carefully read these initiatives. If the authorities were really interested in children, they would subsidize any mortgage, would allocate money for free sections for children, would remove once and for all fees in kindergartens and schools, etc. So forum users do not flatter yourself. The authorities need our children only as an element of making money for them by the business.
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  12. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 29 November 2017 09: 27
    +8
    It’s possible that these are campaign promises, but in any case it is NECESSARY to deal with this issue ... Otherwise, we will die out like mammoths. Any help is only a plus.
  13. Severok
    Severok 29 November 2017 09: 33
    11
    If people had DECENT pay, no support would be needed! And go feed the family of three or five for thirty tr. with a communal apartment in 8-10 TR! When one trip to the store costs a minimum of one or two!
    And so only loafers get money from us: bankers, managers, deputies and other bastards.
    1. evsyukov_a
      evsyukov_a 29 November 2017 23: 25
      0
      Yes, to hell with her, with a decent pay - to know that even though we are moving, even crawling, but forward, and not slide into the ass in all directions at once. A worthy idea is needed, a worthy morality, "national pride of the Great Russians," as Lenin used to say. Children, their children should be brought up by citizens, not stupid consumers ... But in our schools, campaigns, emphasis on the maximum erosion of self-awareness, education of inferiority complexes and guilt in front of the whole world ... From here to you both "rashka" and "innocent fascists ", and" gracious "America. Ah, yes, still "tolerance" suffered ...
  14. smart_ups
    smart_ups 29 November 2017 09: 45
    +3
    It will turn out, as with the earth for the third child. This, it turns out, the land is supposed only needy. And what happens, for example, you don’t have housing (or small) they will give you land for building a house, but here’s the trouble! You don't need her! Because You don’t have money to build a house, and having sold your small house you need to live somewhere, and there will not be enough money from the sale to build a house. Or another option, for some reason you have two apartments. One inherited! And you are able to sell one apartment, take a little more mortgages and build a house, but you don’t have land in that case. It turns out there is a “BEAUTIFUL” LAW LAND FOR THE THIRD CHILD, but in fact a shish with oil! As I was told, take out the garden 30 km from the city without communications and do not survive!
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 29 November 2017 10: 40
      10
      And you thought you were in paradise ?? bully There is no land in Russia, not enough of it! bully But Putin is good! But the bureaucrats are bad! Vote for Putin!
      1. IGOR GORDEEV
        IGOR GORDEEV 29 November 2017 13: 27
        +1
        Quote: Nasr
        And you thought you were in paradise ?? There is no land in Russia, not enough of it! But Putin is good! But the bureaucrats are bad! Vote for Putin!

        Will you vote for Sobchak? Do you have a choice?
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 29 November 2017 14: 03
          +3
          By the way ... amid the negative to Putin ... I admit that there will be many votes for clowns. By the way, Putin probably asked Sobchachka himself to participate in the clowning .. Putin met with Sobchachka, and three days later she announced her ambitions ... (of course by accident!) wassat

          So, voting for the Sabchachka - you vote in Putinsky !!! wassat
  15. bsk_una
    bsk_una 29 November 2017 09: 46
    +2
    And where to put such money ?! Immediately you can imagine.
  16. Million
    Million 29 November 2017 09: 47
    +5
    Willingly believe! They will give a penny, and take away the ruble
  17. rudolff
    rudolff 29 November 2017 09: 58
    +6
    Just for comparison. Yesterday I stumbled across a news feed. Lithuania.
    "The Parliament of Lithuania approved the payment of" children's money "to all children under 18 years of age - depending on the financial situation of the family and the number of children, payments will amount to 30-58,5 euros per month for each child.
    On Tuesday, November 28, the Lithuanian parliament approved in the first reading amendments to the law on payments for children, DELPHI reports. It is planned that from January 2018, payments, regardless of the financial situation of parents, will be made for all children under 18 years of age, and if children study - up to 21 years, payments will amount to 30 euros per month.
    If the family is large, then for each child up to two years old they will pay 58,5 euros per month, and for children over two years old - 45,2 euros.
    Additional payments will be received by families with low incomes. If family incomes will be less than 183 euros per person, then for each child up to two years old they will pay 58,5 euros, and from two years - 45,2 euros.
    Currently, “children’s” money is received only by poor or large families. Up to two years now they pay 28,5 euros per child, from 2 to 18 years - 15,2 euros.
    In addition, now parents can receive an additional tax-free amount - about 200 euros for each child, therefore, they can return up to 30 euros of taxes per month for each child. "
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 29 November 2017 10: 11
      +3
      What are you writing? We are all jealous !!! wassat
    2. nemec55
      nemec55 29 November 2017 11: 00
      +3
      I didn’t think that everything was so bad with my family income all together about 35 thousand rubles, then on this basis in Lithuania I would roughly get 80-100 euros plus (for children) But the fucking pump is Lithuania (which is a poor beggar and dreams live like we are in Russia) and they probably also have gas at home? and winter clothes do not need to buy?
  18. vanavatny
    vanavatny 29 November 2017 10: 13
    +6
    I propose that elections be held more often ... and to be canceled in the State Duma - you won’t even get the sensible promises from those nonsense
  19. Siberian
    Siberian 29 November 2017 10: 14
    +5
    If Kudrin praised, then something is wrong here.
  20. nemec55
    nemec55 29 November 2017 10: 25
    +8
    Pre-election mockery, where is the shame? It looks like a mockery of us (ordinary people) for bylo. They take it
  21. Victor N
    Victor N 29 November 2017 10: 43
    +1
    A necessary, wise and timely decision! The president works, though all around.
    Fracture is another question, but we can hope for a positive result.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 29 November 2017 11: 14
      +7
      Blessed is he who believes !!!

      So insidiously, no one has made fun of the people yet, like Putin with mortgages and 10,5 tons of rubles ..... if only LADIES, with him - No money, but you hang on there! All the best to you! wink
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 29 November 2017 11: 18
      +5
      Quote: Victor N
      but a positive result can be hoped for.

      you can hope, but there will be no result
    3. ando_bor
      ando_bor 29 November 2017 11: 32
      +1
      Quote: Victor N
      The president works, though all around.

      The information war - the State Department mercenaries and their brainless victims have dirtied the entire network, including the VO tape. Mostly Ukrainians work as mercenaries, they know the language and are very cheap.
  22. Ural resident
    Ural resident 29 November 2017 10: 48
    0
    we have all the problems stem from demographic.
    When in Russia there were many children in families, then only she developed.
    1. Anyone
      Anyone 29 November 2017 11: 23
      +2
      Just yesterday, Sobyanin said that we have 15 million extra people in our country. And they all live outside the Moscow Ring Road. It’s interesting to me how his words about “extra people” in Russia correlate with Putin’s “demographic initiatives”? Some kind of circus, by golly ...
  23. Alex66
    Alex66 29 November 2017 11: 08
    +2
    Of course, I understand that I will not say the general mainstream, but the problem of fertility does not stand where women give birth, raise children, housekeeping, and men earn. If a woman works, builds a career, then she will give birth 2 times. After all, cooking, washing, ironing is necessary for a large family, but the worker simply does not have time, she doesn’t leave the stove in the evening, this is depressing, frustration ... Give the men normal work so that they can support the family. Our president promised 25 million effective jobs; this is the right direction for solving the demographic problem.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 29 November 2017 11: 13
      +5
      Give the peasants a normal job to support their families.

      Not work, but earnings
      In Soviet times, I remember the machine operator received more engineer A as a fireman at the machine operator level, and wasn’t it embarrassing to work on a farm in a boiler room or in the field And now? Yes, youth runs from the village, only heels sparkle
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 29 November 2017 15: 56
        0
        More precisely: you don’t need a job, but a paycheck.
        And the country's economy needs engineers more than machine operators and stokers.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 29 November 2017 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      Our president promised 25 million effective jobs; this is the right direction for solving the demographic problem.
      Well, he promised in 2012, the question is how many of them were created by 2017. And there is no doubt that “promise to promise”
  24. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 November 2017 11: 32
    +2
    It would be so long ago. Money needs to be invested in Russia and its indigenous population, and not in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Ukraine .... This has long been necessary to do, and GDP has only begun to promise ...
  25. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2017 11: 46
    +3
    It was beautiful on paper, but they forgot ... but what did they forget ???
    And again the question - What to do ... for example, cancel the elections, automatically appoint the GDP? Is this a way out or a road to nowhere belay
  26. keeper03
    keeper03 29 November 2017 13: 09
    +1
    "Servants of the people" forget one thing (don't want to understand) - mortgage benefits banks and embezzlers, but in no way beneficial to the ordinary citizen!?! Do you want to remember mutual assistance cash desk, housing cooperativesas it was in Soviet times !!! The housing problem was solved and no one was in bondage! hi
  27. Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 29 November 2017 13: 11
    +1
    The Radical Fracture of Demography: New Initiatives of Vladimir Putin

    Well, we have a duck every year
  28. Sergey53
    Sergey53 29 November 2017 13: 28
    +1
    In the Emirates, they simply give out money for construction. Build wherever you want and what you want. The state only controls what you invested in the construction. All.
  29. ZVS
    ZVS 29 November 2017 13: 40
    +1
    They have just voiced the program, and here they are already “throwing their hats up” and shouting about a “radical change”. There will be no turning point until you start creating jobs in the municipal areas of the regions and territories. Large cities have never been in the lead in population growth. It was the prerogative of the village and district cities. And the source of growth is the opportunity to work for young people in their city, and getting municipal housing.
  30. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 November 2017 14: 02
    +3
    The article is an open LOG. Our girls have read this law now. 11000 rubles for the first child will be received only by non-working housewives, from Rublev and gypsy and Azerbaijani families who sell drugs. In general, those who do not have a minimum wage, and not the people who really plow and need state support. Such payments should be received by ALL the indigenous population of the Russian Federation and not 11000 rubles per child, but more. On Abramovichi you need to save and not on the army and the people ...
    1. Anyone
      Anyone 30 November 2017 00: 08
      +2
      I support. These are populist pre-election movements.
  31. Tuman ^^
    Tuman ^^ 29 November 2017 14: 05
    +3
    Unfortunately, all payments for the first child will be only for those children born on January 1, 2018. Those. those who gave birth on December 31, 2017 will not receive payments. Most likely the money will be received by people who really need it, but not for a child, but for a bottle.
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 29 November 2017 16: 00
      +1
      An increase in the birth rate and simultaneous screening of those whose reproduction is undesirable can be achieved by introducing for each citizen a "rating" depending on health, level of education, merit to the country, and personal qualities. The state should strongly support “high-scoring” couples and encourage the birth of children in them, and “prohibit the abandonment of offspring” (drug addicts (including bottle-worshipers), carriers of serious inherited diseases, convicted of serious crimes).
      If memory serves, something like this system operates in Singapore.
  32. Sedoy
    Sedoy 29 November 2017 14: 19
    0
    * introduce monthly payments of up to 11 thousand rubles to families
    -------------
    garbage is all, given how we paid children ... :)

    maternal capital worked, because grandmas were immediately counted
  33. bk316
    bk316 29 November 2017 14: 31
    +3
    Bullshit everything, already wrote.
    No thanks of course.
    But the main constraining factor for the birth of a child of the second, and sometimes the first and certainly the third is housing.
    Now, if the state guaranteed the receipt of housing in proportion to the number of children, this would yield a tremendous result.
    Yes, and the economy has benefited.
    And for those for whom 11000 a decisive factor for children to start early.
  34. Victor N
    Victor N 29 November 2017 15: 15
    0
    Dr_engie,
    This help will help someone - it’s already good.
  35. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 16: 00
    +4
    Actually, in the place of Vladimir Putin, I would have helped the demography of Russia Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox, namely:
    I would give families with one child Free one-bedroom apartment, the child, they have a rest and make a second child.
    A second child appears in the family — the state takes this two-room apartment from this family (in that case, the state takes this apartment if the state itself gave this apartment to this family, and not if the family itself acquired it and bought this apartment) and gives the family: , dad and their two children, a three-room apartment. FREE AND WITHOUT ANY PAYMENT.Good, high-quality, reliable, well-repaired, strong, safe for health. Every child and mom room with dad in the room. So that every child can have a good rest, sleep, learn lessons. So that another child or mother does not interfere with him Dad. Do not disturb sleep, do not distract from learning lessons. And mom and dad, so that children do not distract from work and sex, make a third child. And so, all family members can gather in any room of the apartment. In the room, just not to interfere each other. Suddenly, one child — a little one — and he needs to sleep in diapers, and the other one goes to kindergarten or school and he needs to learn lessons or play and make a little noise when the little one is sleeping. Or mom and dad need to do something when the children sleep or learn lessons. Or did the mom and dad want to have sex or have a third child. Well, isn’t it in front of the children?
    A third child appears in the family — the state takes this three-room apartment from this family (in that case, the state takes this apartment if the state itself gave this apartment to this family, and not if the family itself bought it and bought this apartment) and gives the family: , dad and their two children, a four-room apartment. FREE AND WITHOUT ANY PAYMENTGood, high-quality, reliable, with a good repair, strong, safe for health. Every child and mom have a dad in the room. So that every child can have a good rest, sleep, learn lessons. So that another child or mom and dad do not interfere . Do not disturb sleep, do not distract from learning lessons. And mom and dad, so that children do not distract from work and sex, make a third child. And so, all family members can gather in any room of the apartment. Just a room does not interfere with each other to a friend. Suddenly, one child is small and he needs to sleep in diapers, and the other goes to kindergarten or school and he needs to learn lessons or play and make a little noise when the little one is sleeping. Or mom and dad need to do something, when the children sleep or learn lessons. Or the mom and dad wanted to have sex. Three children in the family are enough. But if the family wants more children, please. But then, let the parents themselves think how to provide children with housing and so on. The state will already help three children with housing, four-room good, environmentally friendly and safe for health, strong reliable apartment with good repair.
    In the case when children grow up and diverge from their parents, the apartment remains with the parents. Children create their families, give birth to children, and the state again gives them the same apartments, as I described above. With an increase in the birth of children, up to three children.
    1. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 16: 01
      +3
      If the parents die, they die (two parents, namely two. And not one of the parents), the apartment passes to the eldest child. When the children do not have their own families and children. When each child does not have his own family and his child, this four-room or three-room or two-room apartment (depending on which apartment the family had at that time when the parents were alive, the same and giving it to the eldest child) - this apartment is transferred by the state to the eldest child from this family.
      In the case, one of the children has a family, and some-no-this apartment is transferred to that child-who has got his family and child. By seniority and the number of children he has. The apartment is not received by the eldest, but who has more children. For example, the oldest child has not gotten, and the middle and the youngest got. And the youngest, for example, has two children, the average child has one child, and the older one has no children at all. The apartment is transferred to the younger to kid.TOTALLY FREE AND NO SUPPLEMENT. The rest of the children receive apartments in the order above, as I described. They create families, give birth to children. Or, if they do not want to create families, they themselves earn and save for their apartments.
      In case of damage, breakdown of the house, apartment, emergency, unsuitability of living in this house, apartment, expiration of the life of the apartment building -family for free and without any surcharges the same is given (by the number of rooms and meters, the apartment, so that there are no less rooms and the apartment itself, so that it is no less (if the apartment was four-room, it means four-room, three-room means three-room, two-room means two-room) and also good, high-quality, reliable, with good repair, strong, safe for health.) - in a new house, suitable for living.
      And now the question for your answer is, where did the state get the money for it?
      And to cut the salaries of all these bosses-directors, bureaucrats and deputies. And to spend this money on such apartments, housing for families with children and on salaries for people.
      What is it that a certain director or deputy receives as much as a whole workshop of workers or a plant cannot earn for a whole month ?????
      I don’t mind that bosses or directors make good money. Let them have a higher salary than workers. Let them be three, even four times more. But their salary, directors, bosses, bureaucrats and deputies depended on the salary. the lowest paid worker. The janitor there, the cleaning lady or anyone there. The cleaner receives 200 rubles — then the director — the chief, the bureaucrat — the deputy — let him get 200 times four or equal to eight hundred rubles. If the director wants to get more, then let him raise the salary of the lowest paid Worker. That's where the money comes from. And don’t need people to hang noodles about the average salary. Remove the "average" salary. The deputy gets 200 and the worker gets some 000. On average, they get 10. Look at the minimum salary and what can the worker buy for this salary, and what is the difference in the salary of the worker between the director and the deputy.
      It was noteworthy that even Alexei Kudrin, known for his attitude towards saving methods, supported the initiatives of Vladimir Putin, calling them "an important step in the development of human capital."

      This Alexei Kudrin, has not yet paid attention to the power structures and the FSB for pushing anti-people’s laws and pushing so that the Russian Orthodox Church of Russia is not financed ???? Namely, for:
      - pushing the law on unemployment tax. Here explain to the people here, to people, where does the unemployed have money for that tax on the unemployed, if he has no job, that is, he has nowhere to earn money ???? And he didn’t die from what his wife, husband, children, brother, sister, parents or all together contain. (You have Alexei Kudrin trying to name this tax in another way — a tax on medicine. But the essence doesn’t change from the name — money requires with unemployed).
      -increase the retirement age. Explain how this grandfather or grandmother who barely moves can work after 60 years of a man and after 55 years of a woman ???? They will die right at work. Of course, this Alexei Kudrin doesn’t do anything, doesn’t lift anything heavier than horseradish, so he can live up to 120 years. And how do people who work ???? On hard and hazardous work: loaders, collective farmers, welders ??? They are barely able to barely live up to the USSR retirement age. They are still raising their retirement age. The retirement age must be returned to the USSR age: men at 60 years of retirement, women at 55 years of retirement, power structures at 45 years old .And for those people who want to work voluntarily and at their own will, and not forcibly and can work, just give work. But do not force everyone to work after the USSR retirement age (men after 60 years, women after 5 years, power structures and military after 45 years).
      -And not funding the Russian army of the Russian Orthodox ??? Is that what Alexei Kudrin doesn’t know if we are not going to feed, dress, shoe, arm and rearm our Russian soldier, we will lick our boots and be slaves to other soldiers ????
      For all this, Alexei Kudrin, the FSB of Russia Russian Orthodox should send to explore the vast frontiers of Russia Russian Orthodox from bell to bell for the bowl of pottage that Alexei Kudrin offered to pay to Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox. And until that retirement age, which was offered by Alexei Kudrin himself . With the confiscation of his property in favor of the state, Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox. Summer for 20 strict regimes. And let people show the whole country will show how Alexei Kudrin is working for the good of Russia Russian Orthodox from bell to bell for a bowl of pottage for his statements and pushing through such anti-people’s and anti-Russian laws. On news and on excursions, let the people show Alexei Kudrin and on television in correctional colonies of high security. Together with Sobchak.
      The scum and traitor is this Alexei Kudrin. All of these pushing such anti-people laws are visible on the Internet. The tax on the unemployed (a tax on medicine, such a people is so stupid, like, sorted out that the essence does not change from the name, those who don’t have to work, that is, those who cannot earn money because there is no work). And raising the retirement age. And not providing and not financing the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia.
      Maybe Aleksey Kudrin, instead of cutting spending on the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia, instead of taxing the unemployed, instead of raising the retirement age, will push through a law to reduce and cut salaries for bureaucrats and senior directors so that their wages depend on the salaries of workers and laborers, and as an example to follow, will cut yourself in the first place ???
      Alexei Kudrin-you have to shoot a little, you need to be sent to Solovki, Siberia, the Far East and make a bowl of soup from bell to bell, and people to bring you excursions and show people around the country what you said on television and the Internet - your truth and for what you are punished, people — how you get what you deserve for your betrayal to the Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia the Russian Orthodox, and the Russian Orthodox Russia. Summer 25. Afterwards and listen to what you’ll talk about. scum. With confiscation of your property and without the right to transfer to you the property of relatives, friends and strangers and people.
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        1. Belarus is Russia
          Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 16: 23
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          We, I don’t mind that they earn a lot. Even if it’s a lot. But let their salary in this case depend on the salary of the lowest paid worker. Let their salary be three, empty, four times more than the lowest paid worker !

          But it’s not so that the worker receives some 10 00, then not all the workers do it for a month, but the deputy or director of a plant or company is 200 or more. This is generally! PPC! What is that deputy doing so hard, or that director ???? Let their salary in this case depend on the salary of the lowest paid worker. Let their salary be three, empty, four times more than the lowest paid worker! Deputies, directors want to receive more, please do not question, increase the salaries of the lowest paid workers. And then your salary will be FOUR TIMES higher than the salaries of the lowest paid worker.
    2. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 21: 16
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      A third child appears in the family — the state takes this three-room apartment from this family (in that case, the state takes this apartment if the state itself gave this apartment to this family, and not if the family itself bought it and bought this apartment) and gives the family: , dad and their two children, four-room apartment.

      There’s a typo, not for two or three children. Well, I was in a hurry. There is a room for a child and a room for mom and dad. Four-room apartment for a family with three children: each room for a child and a room for mom and dad. Three rooms for each room for each the child and the room mom and dad are four-room apartment.
  36. werevolf75
    werevolf75 29 November 2017 16: 10
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    Quote: Victor N
    He ceased to serve the poor: they ask for a penny - I give the ruble, and me - obscenities.
    A rare grandmother will say thanks.
    If proud - do not ask and do not take it - earn it yourself. And took - say THANKS.

    100%. good
  37. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 16: 41
    +1
    It was noteworthy that even Alexei Kudrin, known for his attitude towards saving methods, supported the initiatives of Vladimir Putin, calling them "an important step in the development of human capital."

    Maybe this Aleksey Kudrin, known for his pseudo-attitude to methods of saving instead of saving on the people and people of Russia, the Russian Orthodox will really push for savings and useful laws. Let him say on television, for example, that he will declare and strive to cut salaries for deputies and directors and to ensure that their salaries depend from the salary of the lowest paid worker hard worker. Let three, even four times the salary of the lowest paid worker hard worker. That's how he beats his fist and the presidency of Russia Russian Orthodox, Putin, and asks the first, by example this "economical" Alexei Kudrin will cut his own salary. And let him do it officially on video as well.

    Maybe Aleksey Kudrin, instead of cutting spending on the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia, instead of taxing the unemployed, instead of raising the retirement age, will push through a law to reduce and cut salaries for bureaucrats and senior directors so that their wages depend on the salaries of workers and laborers, and as an example to follow, will cut yourself in the first place ???
    Alexei Kudrin-you have to shoot a little, you need to be sent to Solovki, Siberia, the Far East and make a bowl of soup from bell to bell, and people to bring you excursions and show people around the country what you said on television and the Internet - your truth and for what you are punished, people — how you get what you deserve for your betrayal to the Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia the Russian Orthodox, and the Russian Orthodox Russia. Summer 25. Afterwards and listen to what you’ll talk about. scum. With confiscation of your property and without the right to transfer to you the property of relatives, friends and strangers and people.
  38. Stiletto_711
    Stiletto_711 29 November 2017 19: 42
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    Quote: Dr_Engie
    You don’t take a mortgage that way, that way

    I don’t know what salaries are in Astrakhan, but in Tula people take housing in mortgages, many young families with children. If subsidies are introduced, many will appreciate it.
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 29 November 2017 20: 41
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      The senior personnel inspector in the municipal budget institution received 12 thousand a month, and this is with a bonus for the length of service. But go to subbotniks, go to all elections and vote as you should.
      Now I work as a projection engineer, suddenly, for the same salary. That the sister, that the wife works as educators in the kindergarten - receive in the region of 10-11 thousand, depending on how many events were during the month. My sister’s husband works as a sales representative - he gets 20 thousand, while he works in his car, he darts around the region and pays for repairs from his pocket.
      In fact, whom I know is the average salary in the city of 12-15 thousand. Well, unless of course the police do not count "servants of the people."
  39. Antokha
    Antokha 29 November 2017 20: 06
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    There you go, GDP! The initiative met a projected rebuff in the spirit of "what is so little?" Nothing! If for a small thank you we won’t say, we won’t get more. Ungrateful we. But Putin wants to help us give birth. Why should he? He is a man of age, has already achieved everything. We need this so that we live here on this earth. Well or not, since we do not give birth under a hundred different pretexts, and someone else is always to blame. Well, do not give birth, wait for a million or an apartment will be given for each. Only instead, wait for another people to come here, as in Europe. Each bottle of beer bought and a pack of cigarettes are money taken from an unborn baby. And then whine.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 29 November 2017 21: 00
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      Quote: Anton
      But Putin wants to help us give birth

      Well, why are you hesitating, give birth already, Putin will help you!
      Quote: Anton
      Why should he?

      Help you, you write a letter to him, he will personally help or charge Peskov, although at Peskovka Navka, like the wife of a citizen of Sassra, also not com il fo, you can get a niger. belay
      Quote: Anton
      Well, do not give birth, wait for a million or an apartment will be given for each.

      Well, they give Duc, it’s only for this you need to throw it into some kind of catastrophe thread and immediately those plastic broom, pop and a million are guaranteed, only you will not hear music ....
      Quote: Anton
      Each bottle of beer bought and a pack of cigarettes are money taken from an unborn baby. And then whine.

      Deepest thought what You are at. Not the son of Shuvalov? Can Surkov?
      Son, are you familiar with such a formulation as the state monopoly on tobacco and alcoholic beverages?
      Tokmo is not for the bourgeoisie!
      And you’re better to read a textbook, some good advice, dude.
  40. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 20: 26
    +1
    Quote: Anton
    There you go, GDP! The initiative met a projected rebuff in the spirit of "what is so little?" Nothing! If for a small thank you we won’t say, we won’t get more. Ungrateful we. But Putin wants to help us give birth. Why should he? He is a man of age, has already achieved everything. We need this so that we live here on this earth. Well or not, since we do not give birth under a hundred different pretexts, and someone else is always to blame. Well, do not give birth, wait for a million or an apartment will be given for each. Only instead, wait for another people to come here, as in Europe. Each bottle of beer bought and a pack of cigarettes are money taken from an unborn baby. And then whine.

    Don’t write nonsense. I don’t drink or smoke. Stop the Russian Orthodox. Yes, I told Vladimir Putin what to do. Each salary of a bureaucrat deputy or director is several times greater than the salary of a working hard worker is an apartment for a family with children and a good salary for mom and dad for the maintenance of housing and children.
    Snickering bureaucratic deputies and directors are the selected money from the newborn and his housing.
    Thank you to Putin. Putin did not give the abyss of Russia and lifted it off its knees. Strengthened the Russian Orthodox Church, rearmament. But for Russia to rise in five years and faster, I need to do what I wrote.
    No, we want families, children. But you say this to a girl who has no housing and no salary, so that there is where her child lives and what is. And her husband.
    Do you suggest how to give birth ??? To give birth, and the child died on the street from hunger and cold ??? Are you all fools?
    Only instead, wait for another people to come here, as in Europe. Each bottle of beer bought and a pack of cigarettes are money taken from an unborn baby.

    This is not what we’ll wait for, but our deputies, bureaucrats and directors. Because they care about people abroad, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Austria.
    Even if we give birth in such conditions (God bless our girls and their husbands and families), children without housing and without good salaries for mom and dad will die in the streets from hunger, cold without housing (without a roof over head). Fools, do not write such stupidity anymore.
    Clever, just take it yourself and give birth in such conditions. Our girls give birth, give birth and in such conditions, and several children. But I told Putin, it’s better to make Russian Orthodox, for Russian Orthodox, for the whole nation, faster and faster for all people Russian Russian Orthodox ..
  41. Dr_engie
    Dr_engie 29 November 2017 20: 36
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    dauria,
    And after half a year, the words will be taken back and they will say that there is no money - they passed
    1. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 20: 45
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      Yeah, they themselves will fatten on deputy salaries, live in elite cottages, apartments and drive expensive cars.
  42. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 20: 39
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    Quote: Anton
    There you go, GDP! The initiative met a projected rebuff in the spirit of "what is so little?" Nothing! If for a small thank you we won’t say, we won’t get more. Ungrateful we. But Putin wants to help us give birth. Why should he? He is a man of age, has already achieved everything. We need this so that we live here on this earth. Well or not, since we do not give birth under a hundred different pretexts, and someone else is always to blame. Well, do not give birth, wait for a million or an apartment will be given for each. Only instead, wait for another people to come here, as in Europe. Each bottle of beer bought and a pack of cigarettes are money taken from an unborn baby. And then whine.

    Of course, this is what we need. Our children. Here I wrote, how to make us live well. The arrival of foreign soldiers is awaited by those rulers who do not care about their people, about their soldier.
    Putin-Putin-of course and certainly-BIG THANKS! He didn’t let the Russian Orthodox Russia fall apart, he lifted Russia Russian Orthodox from his knees, strengthened and rearm, enlarged and strengthens the Russian Orthodox Church. Even for this proposal that Putin made-Recall that the president’s initiative was to extend the program of the mother capital until (at least) 2021, introduce monthly payments of up to 11 thousand rubles to families in which the first-born was born. The president also made a proposal for mortgage subsidies for families in which the second and subsequent children are born. In particular, the state is ready to help Russian families acquiring housing in a mortgage, so that their mortgage rate will be no more than 6% per annum. The rate applies for a period of 3 years for families in which a 2nd child was born, and up to 5 years for families with a third child.
    But what I said is quickly, efficiently and at times raises Russia and decides the demography of Russia Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox.
  43. Normal ok
    Normal ok 29 November 2017 22: 17
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    What can I say, the Russians are dying. If there is where the Russian genocide, it is in the economic policy of Russia.
  44. mashinist
    mashinist 30 November 2017 11: 11
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    You WHAT !! READ MORE NEWS "Funds from maternity capital can be received in the form of monthly payments to those families that are especially in need," Putin said.
    For those who NEED! those. not for all!
  45. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 30 November 2017 11: 32
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    It was noteworthy that even Alexei Kudrin, known for his attitude towards saving methods, supported the initiatives of Vladimir Putin, calling them "an important step in the development of human capital."

    Here the undersigned shout that they won’t get this help because of this and that’s why all this is an election rumor. No need to complain, young people. Here, some simply want to live at the expense of others - some are waiting for "freebies" from the state, others are looking for benefits from the "legitimate" benefits, such as tax deductions, "officially" not working anywhere. therefore, they do not even pay income tax on their hidden income. Yes, and much more can lead "legitimate" tricks from the responsibility for the maintenance of the state, but requiring protection from him and other things.
    But Mr. Kudrin even understands that a constant increase in population is a constant growth of state revenues and the measures taken for its growth are measures to increase state revenues and increase its ability to protect both the state itself and social protection people, but not all, but only those who really need it. And this is still being done amid growing industry. production, etc. And here you do not need to look back at snickering oligarchs and their offspring - they are already worked out material for history. A reserve for the future is being created today, although of course the struggle for justice should be used to combat poverty so as not to repeat the mistakes, at least of our "perestroika". hi
  46. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 4 March 2018 07: 43
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    Quote: Tuman ^^
    Unfortunately, all payments for the first child will be only for those children born on January 1, 2018. Those. those who gave birth on December 31, 2017 will not receive payments. Most likely the money will be received by people who really need it, but not for a child, but for a bottle.

    What kind of foggy nonsense are you talking about?