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In the LC and the DNI talked about the possibility of unification

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After the well-known processes with the change of leadership of the Luhansk People's Republic, conversations about the possibility of combining the LC and the DPR are increasingly heard. The main obstacle for the unification of the republics in both Donetsk and Lugansk is the still unfulfilled Minsk agreements. Recall that the agreements in Minsk with Ukraine were signed by two separate republics. On this basis, the LDNR believes that the unification can give Kiev a reason to talk about the breakdown of agreements.


In fact, Ukraine itself is doing everything so that Minsk-2 is not executed under any circumstances. In Kiev, they constantly say that the agreement "has become obsolete." And if so, then is there any reason to pay attention to the fact that Ukraine, itself mired in violations, will accuse Lugansk and Donetsk of disrupting the Minsk process? Moreover, there is no de facto process of this.

Newspaper "News" publishes material in which the views of representatives of the top leadership of the DPR and the LPR are presented.

In the LC and the DNI talked about the possibility of unification


From the statement of the Chairman of the People’s Council of the DPR Denis Pushilin:
Us (DNR and LNR) and so on at the moment binds a lot of common issues, and we take more common decisions. Association as a whole is possible. For this you need an optimal moment. In my personal opinion, with one leadership, many issues are much easier and more efficient to solve.


Deputy Chairman of the National Council of the LPR Dmitry Khoroshilov:
The idea of ​​New Russia is being discussed. We have already adopted a constitutional act on the creation of Novorossia within the framework of a confederation. In principle, as such, this structure is enshrined at the legislative level, but it is not yet clear that it earns serious money. The point is the Minsk agreements, the two republics are their signatories. If you create Novorossia now, then the question of the Minsk agreements immediately arises.

The republics believe that in the case of the unification of the republics, the current head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, could lead a single state entity.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 29 November 2017 07: 39 New
    12
    It is high time ... together it is easier to fight against the genocide of Ukraine against the Lao PDR.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 November 2017 07: 47 New
      +6
      With the subsequent conclusion of a military treaty with Russia.
      Quote: The same Lech
      It is high time ... together it is easier to fight against the genocide of Ukraine against the Lao PDR.
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 29 November 2017 07: 54 New
        20
        In the LC and the DNI talked about the possibility of unification good
        NEWS FOR ME DAY MADE.
        Let the moderators forgive (in Ukrainian), but:Hurt dad is more beautiful than beat. yes
        If only they didn’t "speak", did not "talk" ...
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 29 November 2017 07: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Separ DNR
          In the LC and the DNI talked about the possibility of unification good
          NEWS FOR ME DAY MADE.
          Let the moderators forgive (in Ukrainian), but:Hurt dad is more beautiful than beat. yes
          If only they didn’t "speak", did not "talk" ...

          But what if now the "sharing" starts even steeper? Who will agree to the second roles?
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 29 November 2017 08: 02 New
            +8
            Quote: Dead Day
            But what if now the "sharing" starts even steeper? Who will agree to the second roles?

            I think the “referee” will no longer be self-reliant, in view of the real threat to the republics from real-life potential APUs.
            And in which case (but I think that everything should go more or less smoothly), it will spread it in the corners, and if necessary, it will poke the sklibans ...
            1. dSK
              dSK 29 November 2017 08: 20 New
              +3
              Hello "Gray"! Process is irreversible "mobilization and consolidation." hi
              1. hrych
                hrych 29 November 2017 09: 49 New
                0
                Quote: dsk
                The process is irreversible "mobilization and consolidation."

                The main thing is that the SAA will now cope on its own, the new weapons systems and the personnel tested in the battle have been freed. Poroshenko’s regime has greatly weakened. DPRK, Turkey and Iran to help us.
            2. RF man
              RF man 29 November 2017 11: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Separ DNR
              really gaining potential APU.

              The forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the NDP are comparable - neither one nor the other has the advantage to achieve significant results, and even more so for complete defeat.
              The command of the Armed Forces is even more difficult - you have to constantly “keep in mind” that the enemy will receive additional resources. In an unknown quantity, at an unknown time and in an unknown place.
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 29 November 2017 12: 13 New
                +2
                Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
                Quote: Separ DNR
                really gaining potential APU.

                The forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the NDP are comparable - neither one nor the other has the advantage to achieve significant results, and even more so for complete defeat.
                The command of the Armed Forces is even more difficult - you have to constantly “keep in mind” that the enemy will receive additional resources. In an unknown quantity, at an unknown time and in an unknown place.

                I'm a little,a little bit, I know about the state of the Armed Forces of the DPR, therefore such disturbing notes “break through”.
                And about something, and you need to shout. yes Yes it is impossible no recourse .
                1. RF man
                  RF man 29 November 2017 15: 35 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Separ DNR
                  therefore, such disturbing notes “break through”.

                  So in July 2014 it was already quite alarming ...
                  It's just that the “neighbor” is too interested in the existence of LDNR — well, they won’t give them away ...
                  And no one knows how an overly successful offensive could end for the APU.
        2. inkass_98
          inkass_98 29 November 2017 08: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Separ DNR
          Let the moderators forgive (in Ukrainian)

          In our area, and in Russian, they are also expressed: beat and dad are more convenient to beat.
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 29 November 2017 08: 36 New
            12
            Quote: inkass_98
            In our area, and in Russian, they are also expressed: beat and dad are more convenient to beat.

            Which only confirms the relationship of Russians with Ukrainians (not with hohlamm / raguli / Bandera), but with the real ...
            The themes that Berlin was taken in a single army, those that later raised the country from ruins together ...
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 29 November 2017 15: 37 New
              +4
              Quote: Separ DNR
              kinship between Russians and Ukrainians

              Until the 20s, we were one nation. Since then, we were formally divided by geography of residence. And that’s it. Therefore, being a conservative, I still consider us one people - one language, one story, one culture. I am sure that the time will come, the borders between us will be removed. Well this is nonsense - half of the Russian family, half of the family are “Ukrainians”.
        3. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 29 November 2017 11: 20 New
          +6
          This is one of two news about which I spoke about what will happen in the fall. And the second news is the announcement of the date of the referendum, on which there are two issues, the unification and reunification with Russia.
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 29 November 2017 12: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            This is one of two news about which I spoke about what will happen in the fall. And the second news is the announcement of the date of the referendum, on which there are two issues, the unification and reunification with Russia.

            Let's not run ahead of the engine ...
            You know the complexity of the situation in which at the beginning, even if smoothly and as painlessly as possible, go through the merger process ...
            And this is under the condition that the process will not be allowed to drift ... As it was before.

            You know about WHAT and WHO ...
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 29 November 2017 12: 41 New
              +1
              Oh, these statements about Little Russia. We were all in shock then.
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 29 November 2017 12: 51 New
                +2
                Quote: Lord of the Sith
                Oh, these statements about Little Russia. We were all in shock then.

                Not so much and not only about that. I’m actually talking about "higher powers" who sometimes remember us, sometimes forgetИ...
                Because it is real, without their active participation, everything will turn out to be just another blasted spotlight.

                Dummy.
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      2. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 29 November 2017 08: 29 New
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        With the subsequent conclusion of a military treaty with Russia.

        And this will require recognition of the newly created republic, which in itself recourse in these conditions it seems impossible, but military alliance...
        So it’s generally, in fact, the declaration of war as “independent” ...
        Let us, in the military sphere, confine ourselves to "military-technical cooperation."
        From the "north wind",if pressedwe will not refuse. But in general, give normal weapons, equipment, intelligent advisers, and by and large, by and by, we ourselves.

        And it seems to you that it’s not very hard, and your ears do not stick out wink .
      3. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 29 November 2017 23: 30 New
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        With the subsequent conclusion of a military treaty with Russia.
        Quote: The same Lech
        It is high time ... together it is easier to fight against the genocide of Ukraine against the Lao PDR.

        And that the Russian Federation recognized them as a state-in?
    2. Jedi
      Jedi 29 November 2017 08: 15 New
      +4
      In the LC and the DNI talked about the possibility of unification

      It’s time to move from words to action.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 29 November 2017 08: 35 New
      0
      You can’t put Zakharchenko at the head, a tear will be inevitable. And not because he is bad, but because he does not have competence in state building. Everything needs to be done in an adult and thorough manner.
      Minsk-2 is beneficial to everyone except the republics themselves. The creation of New Russia will give an impetus to a change in the regime of foreign affairs to Ukraine and the formation of a new, sane state.
      1. Chaos
        Chaos 30 November 2017 15: 53 New
        0
        let them put you on, you are exceptionally wonderfully competent in state building)))
    4. Vend
      Vend 29 November 2017 10: 04 New
      0
      Well, that’s the confirmation of my assumptions why they removed Plotnitsky. Dukes are not needed, a single territorial space is needed to confront Ukraine.
    5. RASKAT
      RASKAT 29 November 2017 10: 09 New
      +1
      Well, finally, and then the whole story with LDNR smelled like a cut. Especially when they set up border guards and customs on the border of the DPR and LPR.
  2. 1331M
    1331M 29 November 2017 07: 42 New
    +3
    Does Carpenter and Co. agree?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 November 2017 07: 48 New
      +4
      ?! Where is Plotnitsky? No, Co. may have a place, But it looks like it has already left.
      Quote: 1331M
      Does Carpenter and Co. agree?
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 29 November 2017 07: 50 New
      +3
      1331M
      Does Carpenter and Co. agree?
      Now it is clear what was happening in Lugansk? To be a union. And all sorts of Carpentry is not an obstacle.
      1. Berber
        Berber 29 November 2017 08: 45 New
        +3
        Most likely for this he was removed.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 November 2017 07: 44 New
    +1
    One can speak for a long time, but in general the unification of the republics should have been the basis of their very existence! !!!
  4. Vanek
    Vanek 29 November 2017 07: 58 New
    +4
    On this basis, LDNR believes that unification may give rise to Kievu talk about disruptionе arrangements.

    The very first shot crossed out all the contracts.

    Guys! DNR, LC, in this regard, you are not holding anything.

    There is no more either Minsk or Minsk 2. And will not be.

    Find the tallest bell tower and bark gently toward Kiev.
  5. German Titov
    German Titov 29 November 2017 08: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Separ DNR
    Quote: Dead Day
    But what if now the "sharing" starts even steeper? Who will agree to the second roles?

    I think the “referee” will no longer be self-reliant, in view of the real threat to the republics from real-life potential APUs.
    And in which case (but I think that everything should go more or less smoothly), it will spread it in the corners, and if necessary, it will poke the sklibans ...

    And ordinary people didn’t disconnect. I do not need customs posts and "on my side", they always came to help each other. Donbass is one.
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 29 November 2017 08: 49 New
      +9
      Quote: German Titov
      And ordinary people didn’t disconnect. I do not need customs posts and "on my side", they always came to help each other. Donbass alone.

      Donbass is one!
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 29 November 2017 11: 01 New
        +1
        Donbass is one!

        Finally, they thought of it .... Anyone could understand that power is in unity ... But apparently private interests prevailed over public ones. And they still prevail .... If you haven’t united for so many years, it means that some significant reasons ... It is unlikely that the proclaimed leadership of the territories of divided Donbass will unite to unite without external influence ... For a long time they’ve been “grinding” about New Russia, but this project seems to have failed ... Unfortunately, by and large .... By and large it had to combine all the right-bank and Black Sea territories of the artificially created territory, the so-called "Ukraine" ....
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 29 November 2017 11: 15 New
          +6
          Quote: moskowit
          Finally, they thought of it .... Anyone could understand that power is in unity ... But apparently private interests prevailed over public ones. And still prevail ... If for so many years they have not united, then some significant reasons ...


          And you remember what ultimately determined the collapse of the USSR.
          “We don’t want to feed Moscow,” “we don’t want the“ scoop ”, and the third, fifth ... tenth - it was yes
          But not these factors predetermined the collapse, but the greed of the then leaders of the republics, who understood:
          This time, the time of the dribbling. Jack pot! When I reign to myself, and no Center decree me ...

          And they dragged the country into destinies, uluses ...

          "Elites" decided for the people, eat them ...
          1. tv70
            tv70 30 November 2017 16: 00 New
            +1
            Sorry, dear, but now they do not decide? The same eggs, only in profile. It’s scary, all kinds of crap come out, oligarchophrenic and poher all undertakings.
          2. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 30 November 2017 21: 09 New
            0
            Separ DNR "Elites" decided for the people, eat them ...

            Well, the “elites decided”, you don’t have to keep everyone for fools, remember everything perfectly, how free Ukrainians wanted freedom from the Union ....
  6. askort154
    askort154 29 November 2017 08: 28 New
    +5
    "If you create New Russia now, then the question immediately arises of the Minsk agreements" ..(Khoroshilov).

    That is, I don’t know that Plotnitsky "resigned" from his post, but remained in the representatives for the signing of the Minsk agreements. And the second one. Who is stopping the new state entity "Novorossiya" from assuming all the obligations to implement the Minsk agreements ?! I suppose it will be so.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 29 November 2017 09: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      Who is stopping the new state entity "Novorossiya" from assuming all the obligations to implement the Minsk agreements?

      Moreover, under the Minsk agreements, there is a signature of Zakharchenko. Well, they will unite, and Zakharchenko will “pull” for two. I don’t understand, what is the question at all?
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 November 2017 08: 30 New
    +1
    So it became clear who hindered the creation of New Russia. It is clear that being a ruler in a small principality is better than being an official in the country. Is the principality better from this?
  8. rotor
    rotor 29 November 2017 08: 44 New
    0
    The main obstacle to the unification of the republics in both Donetsk and Lugansk is the Minsk agreements that have not yet been implemented. Recall that the agreements in Minsk with Ukraine were signed by two separate republics.


    That's the problem, they say that the new republic is the successor of the previous two.
    1. PalBor
      PalBor 29 November 2017 09: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: rotor
      The main obstacle to the unification of the republics in both Donetsk and Lugansk is the Minsk agreements that have not yet been implemented. Recall that the agreements in Minsk with Ukraine were signed by two separate republics.


      That's the problem, they say that the new republic is the successor of the previous two.

      Of course, Macron is considered the successor of Hollande in the top three guarantors of agreements.
      To be honest, really ...
  9. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 29 November 2017 08: 45 New
    0
    Give New Russia. And then do it like South Ossetia. Republican Armed Forces (LDNR) should be part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ..... well, that's all ....
  10. Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 November 2017 08: 58 New
    +1
    And who prevents the unification of the basic structures without a name change.
    Well, and as mentioned above to create a Confederation.
    When it comes to joining Russia, it will just be rational to enter as separate subjects of the Federation, either as autonomous republics or regions.
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 29 November 2017 11: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Livonetc
      And who prevents the unification of the basic structures without a name change.
      Well, and as mentioned above to create a Confederation.
      When it comes to joining Russia, it will just be rational to enter as separate subjects of the Federation, either as autonomous republics or regions.

      Sound judgment yes .
      But we will not “pull” into the republics within the Russian Federation, not on the same scale, but we could become full-fledged regions.
      In perspective. But she is still extremely ghostly and looms foggy even further ...
  11. UVB
    UVB 29 November 2017 09: 00 New
    +1
    No need to overshoot! This is a confederation-type association, not a merger.
  12. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 29 November 2017 09: 08 New
    +4
    It's time to join forces. And the Minsk agreements .... Well, leave the obligations to implement them under the control of a single administration. There are lawyers after all. And an active position in any situation is more profitable.
  13. Moskovit
    Moskovit 29 November 2017 09: 26 New
    0
    Ukraine that has not recognized the LPR and the DPR will not recognize Novorossia. Western partners that did not care about the opinion of the LPR and the DPR and the interests of the Donbass, will continue to spit on Novorossia. Therefore, to consolidate resources, forces and just common sense, you need to unite. Russia I think only for. The north wind will sweep away any rubbish, but you need to cost the house yourself. And we helped and will help further.
  14. vanavatny
    vanavatny 29 November 2017 10: 18 New
    +1
    For a long time I want to fall asleep and wake up when this has already taken place, and better still a little later
  15. Ural resident
    Ural resident 29 November 2017 10: 52 New
    0
    for starters, the armed forces would combine
    under one start it is better to fight
  16. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 November 2017 11: 28 New
    0
    It's time ... And Zakharchenko is not Plotnitsky and Kernes, he is not bargaining with Bandera .... man.
  17. bsk_una
    bsk_una 29 November 2017 11: 31 New
    0
    Yeah, no matter what happens. And what, people's lives are below any agreements. Chatting - not tossing bags.
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2017 11: 51 New
    +3
    Together it is certainly easier, but where from personal ambitions, who is ready to share power?
  19. Sergey53
    Sergey53 29 November 2017 13: 31 New
    0
    In my opinion, this was the reason for the removal of Plotnitsky in the LPR. He did not want to leave the political scene. He is gone.
  20. koshmarik
    koshmarik 29 November 2017 14: 07 New
    +1
    There are no significant obstacles to the unification of the republics. Western sanctions? So they will continue to expand. Two signatories of the Minsk agreements? So it will be one for the UN has not yet canceled the function of continuity. For example, after the collapse of the Union, Russia declared itself the successor of all republics in most world-class positions.
  21. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 29 November 2017 14: 10 New
    +4
    We have been waiting since 2014. Actually, and fought for it.
  22. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 29 November 2017 16: 51 New
    +1
    It is high time to unite the LPR with the DPR and then remove the Western henchmen and the whole Ukraine from Ukraine, to become part of Russian Orthodox Russia.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 30 November 2017 21: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Belarus is Russia
      It is high time to unite the LPR with the DPR and then remove the Western henchmen and the whole Ukraine from Ukraine, to become part of Russian Orthodox Russia.

      Here’s yourselves and attach them .....
  23. colorado
    colorado 29 November 2017 19: 28 New
    +1
    good news
  24. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 29 November 2017 21: 05 New
    +1
    New Russia to be !!! She is already in the hearts of millions of people !!!
  25. Normal ok
    Normal ok 29 November 2017 22: 20 New
    +1
    ORDLO, it is such ORDLO that there is no place to put samples. One thief drove another thief to make it easier to swipe. And all this is masked by pseudo-patriotic slogans. Only Mikhan can take this seriously.
  26. LeonidL
    LeonidL 30 November 2017 02: 48 New
    0
    It is high time! Unite and jointly liberate the Donbass from the Nazi invaders!
  27. Galleon
    Galleon 30 November 2017 15: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    This is one of two news about which I spoke about what will happen in the fall. And the second news is the announcement of the date of the referendum, on which there are two issues, the unification and reunification with Russia.

    With all my heart I wish it.
  28. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 7 December 2017 20: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    It is high time to unite the LPR with the DPR and then remove the Western henchmen and the whole Ukraine from Ukraine, to become part of Russian Orthodox Russia.

    Here’s yourselves and attach them .....

    And we will take them to our place. Ukraine and Ukrainians and Russians living there are ours, Russians, Russia Russian Orthodox. Or do you think we will give our land and our people to enemies ??? We will give Pendal to them, and not our people, and our land.
    We are waiting for the reunification of the LPR with the DPR, and then the whole of Ukraine, and the referendum to them, in which Ukraine and Ukrainians and Russians living there, will vote for the Russian Orthodox Church to join Russia, voluntarily, of their own free will and their own will!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 December 2017 20: 14 New
      +4
      They will separate \ crush our Fabergé oligarchs over the hill, then we will return everyone home. We are a single Russian world.