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In Sevastopol, the former Ukrainian military began to receive registration

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The Russian Defense Ministry has started issuing registrations to former Ukrainian soldiers who lived in Sevastopol and were deprived of their registration after the Crimean Peninsula entered Russia, reports RIA News report of the Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, Tatiana Moskalkova.




Moskalkova said that previously former Ukrainian servicemen had no right to reside in the military camps of Sevastopol due to cancellation of registration, however, the November resolution of the Russian government should restore their rights.

The appearance of their registration allows them to decide on the place of receiving a pension, to receive medical care, to attach to kindergartens, to form polling stations. Today, the Russian Defense Ministry has begun to implement the norms of government regulations,
she said.

The ombudsman also said that she had specially arrived in Sevastopol to study how the government decree was being implemented.

Recently at the headquarters of the Black Sea fleet information was announced that registration in military camps in Sevastopol was needed by more than 500 military personnel and members of their families. According to Moskalkova herself, the data of the register of people who require registration in the hero city will be clarified during a meeting with representatives of the Ministry of Defense.
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  1. starogil
    starogil 27 November 2017 16: 04
    16
    But did these servicemen accept the citizenship of the Russian Federation, or will they be the fifth column?
    1. Good Zsul
      Good Zsul 27 November 2017 16: 18
      +4
      The oath is taken once in a lifetime, as is Faith. In other cases, the one who changed time will change the second one)))
      1. 210ox
        210ox 27 November 2017 16: 22
        13
        These people, as I understand it, are retired. Most likely they served back in the USSR. The second time they swore an oath of independence ... Let them live humanly ... if only they wouldn’t make a shame.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 27 November 2017 16: 45
          11
          Quote: 210ox
          These people, as I understand it, are retired. Most likely they still served in the USSR. The second time they swore an oath of independence.


          Hi Dmitry.
          Among “these retired people” there are many of my schoolmates and service classmates. After the collapse of the USSR, they had to swear allegiance to Ukraine (they served in the Crimea, families lived there) - a hopeless situation. They can’t “re-take” now because they are not part of the existing armed forces. And they did very right that they re-registered them under Russian law. He contacted the guys - all with Russian passports. Several people did not want to accept Russian citizenship and left for Ukraine, but some of the “former” with their families came to Crimea from Ukraine (secret paths) (they also changed their passports to Russian ones). Glad for the men. yes good
          1. Nick
            Nick 27 November 2017 17: 16
            +2
            Quote: Lelek
            He contacted the guys - all with Russian passports. Several people did not want to accept Russian citizenship and left for Ukraine, but some of the “ex” with their families came to Crimea from Ukraine (secret paths) (they also changed their passports to Russian ones). Glad for the men.

            May God grant them all to arrange everything safely, but do not forget the words of Alexander Nevsky - "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword"
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 27 November 2017 17: 45
              +3
              Quote: Good Zusul
              The oath is taken once in a lifetime, as is Faith. In other cases, the one who changed time will change the second one)))

              I understand ... Winter, snowstorm. But you are not Santa Claus. You do not drive the blizzard.
              Earlier in Russia, they swore allegiance to each new Tsar. Swore in the name of the Lord. A military man could swear allegiance several times during the service and be a person holding his word.
              I can understand the oath of being faithful to a particular person, but I do not understand the oath of being true to "someone." It is not possible to be true to anyone. It is rather prostitution.
              So, the very concept of "oath to the state" turns this oath into a farce. If a ghoul with a surname, for example, bulk, becomes the new president, is the military obliged to fulfill the order of this ghoul to ruin the country?
          2. not main
            not main 27 November 2017 21: 58
            +1
            Quote: Lelek
            They were forced to swear allegiance to Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR (they served in the Crimea, families lived there) - a hopeless situation

            Wow! There are no words! It turns out that forced to betray? And do not need verbiage, I myself served in Ukraine in 1991, in 1992 I was in LenVO. Just sold out! For a cookie and a jam.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 27 November 2017 17: 59
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          These people, as I understand it, are retired. Most likely they served back in the USSR. The second time they swore an oath of independence ... Let them live humanly ... if only they wouldn’t make a shame.

          I and many of my colleagues served in the SOVIET Army and did not even swear oaths to any other state. But by chance they remained to live where they served. After dismissal, I chose my native Vologda as the place of further residence and went there. Those who were born and lived in Ukraine before the service remained there. What do you have against these people? In your opinion, if you stayed outside of Russia, it means a potential saboteur and can spoil. You, boy, don’t know what the collapse of the state is, how it affects those who swore this state, but try to judge them.
        3. Normal ok
          Normal ok 27 November 2017 18: 27
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          These people, as I understand it, are retired. Most likely they served back in the USSR.

          These are the most faithful supporters of Russia.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 27 November 2017 16: 35
        10
        Good Zsul
        The oath is taken once in a lifetime, as is Faith. In other cases, the one who changed time will change the second one)))
        Yes, you sho! belay Tell it to the officers of the USSR. laughing
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        2. demo
          demo 27 November 2017 17: 35
          +3
          Well, why are we talking only about these officers.
          US troops are leaving to reside in Australia. Or New Zealand.
          And they enter the service in the armed forces of these countries.
          Without taking the oath, service is impossible.
          And what should they do? To refer to what has already been taken once?
          But citizens of the USSR, having served their 2-3 years, taking the oath, who have reached the critical age of 45 years, that is, not subject to conscription and mobilization under any circumstances, can go into a critical army in a critical situation? And will they be required to take the oath again? Or the one they accepted will be credited?

          In this life, as I understand it, only 30 years old seem to be simple.
          Then you begin to understand the "nuances".
          1. Good Zsul
            Good Zsul 27 November 2017 17: 48
            +2
            So what ? At X .. me your favorite US military and hedgehogs with them ...
            I am Russian, and for me the word, and the oath are holy! And you, Russian * officers of the Changeling with two oaths *, I’m not interested .... You are 100% spiritually like Ukrainians)))
            (Without taking the oath, service is impossible.) - as it seems --- * And my hut from the edge * ...
      3. starogil
        starogil 27 November 2017 16: 36
        +3
        Well, it remains to simplify the phantom of Ukraine to the Kiev region, or province,
        to simplify obtaining citizenship, by the way, when obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation
        now something like an oath is being pronounced ...
      4. Victor Dubovitsky
        Victor Dubovitsky 27 November 2017 16: 48
        +5
        Quote: Good Zusul
        The oath is taken once in a lifetime, as is Faith. In other cases, the one who changed time will change the second one)))

        Accession of the territory, carried out as a result of the referendum, does not occur in every generation of military personnel. And they, like all other citizens, have the right to express their will to such a question. That is, those who voted FOR joining Russia are not traitors ?. And the military personnel are not citizens and the laws, the Constitution, and other rules DO NOT apply to them? Why are 2 million NOT traitors, and 0,5 - traitors? Each person in the country is a citizen, and only a part of them are military.
        1. Good Zsul
          Good Zsul 27 November 2017 17: 52
          +1
          Those who voted For is ONE, against -Other .... The oath is the only one for the whole Life .... I don’t like it, don’t serve .... But there is no need to find excuses, like a prostitute, when I take the oath again .. Prostitute she’s always and you won’t wash off ...
          1. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 27 November 2017 21: 47
            0
            Quote: Good Zusul
            Those who voted For is ONE, against -Other .... The oath is the only one for the whole Life .... I don’t like it, don’t serve .... But there is no need to find excuses, like a prostitute, when I take the oath again .. Prostitute she’s always and you won’t wash off ...

            You are a woodpecker. Allowing them to live in Russia by issuing citizenship is not recognized by their traitors as former members of the Ukrainian army. Where does it say about the transition to the military service of Russia?
            1. Good Zsul
              Good Zsul 27 November 2017 22: 11
              0
              You were a woodpecker and was a woodpecker from birth .... That's what I can say for sure, you have never been an officer ..... Once again, ensign, to live in Russia, citizenship and ..... Oath, that's enough different concepts. Although I understood what you are and what you are ..... I ask you not to write back. I don’t really want to answer you already, ensign ... Good luck
      5. Lelek
        Lelek 27 November 2017 16: 49
        +2
        Quote: Good Zusul
        The oath is taken once in a lifetime, as is Faith. In other cases, the one who changed the time will change the second


        You, my friend, are sick. These former officers and conscripts from the former USSR, which is no longer there, and therefore there is no oath. Think before you rant. fool
        1. Good Zsul
          Good Zsul 27 November 2017 17: 39
          +1
          Lelek - are you stupid? You understand the meaning of what I am writing .... Although what I am saying, among you, the Russian * officers * are full of creatures and Shit! I do not * rant *))), I just eat food- Pederast will always find an argument about the repeated oath)))
          PiSi- like a true * officer * bang me))))
          1. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 27 November 2017 21: 50
            +1
            Quote: Good Zusul
            Lelek - are you stupid? You understand the meaning of what I am writing .... Although what I am saying, among you, the Russian * officers * are full of creatures and Shit! I do not * rant *))), I just eat food- Pederast will always find an argument about the repeated oath)))
            PiSi- like a true * officer * bang me))))

            Idiot. Where is it written that they went to serve in the Russian army? It says about providing opportunities to live in Russia. On the territory of a military camp. What do you beat yourself with your heel in the forehead? Take it easy.
            1. Good Zsul
              Good Zsul 27 November 2017 21: 57
              0
              Vitya Dubovitsky-, I generally wrote about the oath. And you try on a member of your ass right away .. Fool ... Okay .. Ban ... So I realized 90% of them are idiots and corrupt creatures)))
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      6. Piramidon
        Piramidon 27 November 2017 17: 34
        +1
        Quote: Good Zusul
        The oath is taken once in a lifetime, as is Faith. In other cases, the one who changed time will change the second one)))

        But what about those who took the oath to a country that did not disintegrate at their will and desire? In your opinion, it turns out that those who served in the Soviet Army and after the collapse of the USSR remained to serve in the Russian are traitors and traitors. Move your brains.
        1. Good Zsul
          Good Zsul 27 November 2017 17: 41
          +1
          What to do? Do not take the oath again ..... Refuse the mother and take another mother! laughing
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 27 November 2017 18: 14
            +3
            Quote: Good Zusul
            What to do? Do not take the oath again ..... Refuse the mother and take another mother! laughing

            Everything is clear with you and your stupid smiley. You are one of those who have never sworn allegiance to anyone and have not served in any army. In your opinion, it was necessary to disperse the whole army and recruit a new one? How easy it is to judge what you never know. Sit and play "tanks", a young man who has slanted from the army.
            1. Good Zsul
              Good Zsul 27 November 2017 18: 45
              +1
              Hey, pyramidon, it's not for you to judge me .... I served and took the oath ... So close your mouth, speaking Russian ..... You don’t need to disperse the army, deb .... she was in Russia. .. But the rest * officers *, from Ukraine and other republics, did not have the right to take the oath again .... Got it, Comrade Ensign? Although what can * the lieutenant * say to me.? The oath is your conscience ... Look into her eyes and make a decision ... Everything is simple ... Though not easy ... Remember the old, good song: "What begins the Motherland "
              The oath, the oath, the oath is sworn to the state, and not to the individual! Warrant Officer, I thought you understood .... Warrant Officer pyramidon- do you want to take the oath a second time, take it if I would know during the fighting that you are a flip-flop, at the best opportunity ... at expense laughing As for the tanks, they didn’t fall, boy .... Play while playing .. I saw urapatriots fleeing to Russia during the bombing)))
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 27 November 2017 18: 58
                +2
                Quote: Good Zusul
                . Understood, Comrade Ensign? Although what can * the lieutenant * tell me.

                Well, as I understand it, you are no less than about three embroidered stars on uniform. You’ve made up your mind, I’m ensign, or lieutenant. Or do you generally do not understand the ranks? I, unlike you, a kid who has never served, served in the SOVIET army for 26 years and it’s not for you to teach me, a child brought up by the Internet.
                1. Good Zsul
                  Good Zsul 27 November 2017 19: 03
                  +1
                  I want to say that you are a warrant officer in your mind, but you wrote here to * lieutenant * ... but as you were ... he stayed ....... boy ... he’s a shifter in Africa and a tinker in Africa ....
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 27 November 2017 22: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: Good Zusul
                    I want to say that you are a warrant officer,.

                    You, even for the xoxla corporal of the Soviet Army in your mental development, do not pull. And already I have seen a lot of them during 26 years of service in the SA. You're just a modern dill-jerboa-galloping.
                    PS And don’t put the classes on your own, you won’t be smarter from this.
        2. Good Zsul
          Good Zsul 27 November 2017 22: 02
          0
          Once again, for the ridiculous ... I did not write about Russian officers, but about Ukrainian!
          Although ...... although in your opinion, once not ped .. ast .....
      7. zivXP
        zivXP 27 November 2017 17: 52
        0
        If a person stumbles by mistake, then what can he cross out his whole life now? Does the person have the right to make a mistake or not? He may not have seen anything good in life, and now he did not immediately realize where is black and where is white. Doesn’t this happen? And then you are all somehow simple, on one crinkle.
      8. Victor Dubovitsky
        Victor Dubovitsky 27 November 2017 21: 41
        +1
        Quote: Good Zusul
        The oath is taken once in a lifetime, as is Faith. In other cases, the one who changed time will change the second one)))

        Who is given the oath? Leader or Fatherland? But then the whole Ukrainian army was simply obliged to illustrate Piglet and his accomplices, and not to the trash can, but to the grave.
        1. Good Zsul
          Good Zsul 27 November 2017 21: 59
          0
          Vitya- go sleep, d..a liberal. You're the first to be sold ... I don’t need your ukroarmiya and X, just like you)))
          1. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 28 November 2017 01: 58
            +2
            Quote: Good Zusul
            Vitya- go sleep, d..a liberal. You're the first to be sold ... I don’t need your ukroarmiya and X, just like you)))

            Then do not force to show you the way. Find it yourself.
      9. eugraphus
        eugraphus 28 November 2017 01: 48
        0
        I would like to draw attention to the fact that the bulk of the officers of the USSR were members of the CPSU. Who, after the collapse of the country, was particularly worried that everyone without exception refused party affiliation. That is, the party was easily abandoned, and for the oath, if you were lucky to remain on the territory of Russia, they began to praise yourself that you remained faithful to the oath. Those who turned out to be outside of Russia overshot the new state formations.
        Those officers who surpassed TU 160 without allowing the Ukrainians to cut planes for scrap and the sailors who hijacked Admiral Kuznetsov deserve special respect. Although among them there were probably those who threw party tickets. So the observance of oaths, solemn promises and other oaths is very individual and far from simple.
    2. Graz
      Graz 27 November 2017 16: 29
      +3
      Here, too, it is not clear that they mean citizens of the Russian Federation or those who have not accepted our citizenship
    3. LAWNER
      LAWNER 27 November 2017 16: 53
      0
      Stroybat form)
    4. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 27 November 2017 17: 59
      0
      The fifth column in Russia is in demand. Look, even the ukromalchik from Urengoy will not let you lie.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 November 2017 16: 08
    +2
    Oh, and counterintelligence and our special services will increase their work now!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2017 16: 20
      0
      And what, every soldier is a potential spy? belay
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 27 November 2017 16: 35
        +5
        Maybe not a spy, but he must pass special checks. All seemingly soft and fluffy, and they keep a stone by the sinus. One cannot rely on bare faith in such matters, only facts. It can be cruel, but such methods justify themselves with interest.
    2. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 27 November 2017 16: 24
      +4
      And who promised an easy counterintelligence service? In Crimea, for this service there will be more work for a long time than in other places. I am sure that the contingent mentioned has not been ignored.
    3. Nick
      Nick 27 November 2017 17: 19
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Oh, and counterintelligence and our special services will increase their work now!

      And they don’t have to wipe their head off their pants! Let’s move. bully
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 27 November 2017 22: 25
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Oh, and counterintelligence and our special services will increase their work now!

      Yes, if these retirees lived there and live, what hemorrhoids will increase? In Russia, we have hundreds of thousands that remained after leaving the army to live in military garrisons (towns)
  3. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 27 November 2017 16: 35
    +3
    As if it is difficult in our time to someone who is on a mission to get good xivy even at home. In the center. Fifteen hundred former servicemen of Ukraine, by fate, living in Ukraine in the Crimea ... And what about those 2 million who live next to them, and who ended up in Russia thanks to the events? They were given passports WITHOUT any difficulty? The question is strangely posed.
  4. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 November 2017 16: 45
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    These people, as I understand it, are retired. Most likely they served back in the USSR. The second time they swore an oath of independence ... Let them live humanly ... if only they wouldn’t make a shame.

    And if they will spoil? Yes, and for ours, it turns out the score! What then? Oh, the SBU will definitely try to use them ... Somehow it’s all muddy, it seems to be people too, maybe they don’t have any crap ideas ... Damn, these fucking human rights defenders, the trash is crazy ...
    1. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 27 November 2017 21: 44
      0
      Quote: Evrodav
      Quote: 210ox
      These people, as I understand it, are retired. Most likely they served back in the USSR. The second time they swore an oath of independence ... Let them live humanly ... if only they wouldn’t make a shame.

      And if they will spoil? Yes, and for ours, it turns out the score! What then? Oh, the SBU will definitely try to use them ... Somehow it’s all muddy, it seems to be people too, maybe they don’t have any crap ideas ... Damn, these fucking human rights defenders, the trash is crazy ...

      Why so stupid? You think before you write nonsense.
      You are concerned about THESE 500, but about 2 million Crimeans are not. What the hell is that?
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 November 2017 16: 47
    +1
    Quote: Zubr
    Maybe not a spy, but he must pass special checks. All seemingly soft and fluffy, and they keep a stone by the sinus. One cannot rely on bare faith in such matters, only facts. It can be cruel, but such methods justify themselves with interest.

    Why is it cruel, if you are friends with your own head, you must understand which country they used to belong to ...
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 27 November 2017 17: 51
    0
    residence permit and nothing more ...
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 27 November 2017 18: 04
      0
      A residence permit greatly simplifies the conduct of reconnaissance, sabotage and other activities. Hitler would give dearly in 1941-45 for 500 Wehrmacht reserve officers (or maybe even SS) to receive an official residence permit in the USSR.
      1. Wolka
        Wolka 27 November 2017 18: 05
        0
        and who said that the claimant will receive it
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 27 November 2017 18: 15
          0
          Without universal selection, segregation and ostracism, ukrozarazu cannot be defeated. But the Russian authorities prefer to play the "rule of law".
  7. oldzek
    oldzek 27 November 2017 19: 49
    0
    I read all your comments, I wanted to keep silent ... I couldn’t resist. Your reasoning comes down to one old thought: I’ll divorce someone else’s misfortune, and I won’t block my wall.
  8. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 27 November 2017 20: 37
    +1
    With the registration is quite humane. But as far as getting the Russian military pension, if it comes to that, I have complete rejection. I don’t care for what reasons they remained to serve their new homeland. Of course, many were held hostage to circumstances, but everyone had a choice. Many have fresh memories of those years and their examples. So, I well remember how, after the withdrawal of the Northern Group, they, like hares, broke into distillations to their historical homeland. It was necessary to have time to distribute posts and knowledge. And after their flight it was necessary to organize engineering and aviation support, realizing that earlier than a year later, normal staffing could not be completed. I well remember this "crazy" year for those who provided flights. Wear. I do not accept any excuses.
  9. Nemesis
    Nemesis 27 November 2017 20: 46
    +1
    In the United States, citizens of the United States vow to defend the United States with arms in their hands, including from their historical homeland, if they are migrants ... I don’t see why it should be different in Russia ... Too many patriots of foreign states have divorced Russian citizenship and this is already becoming a problem. This is unacceptable ...
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  11. ork_333
    ork_333 28 November 2017 11: 26
    +1
    After reading all the comments, I was surprised at the patience of people who communicate with the Good Zusul and try to explain something to him. Personally, it seems to me that if Good Zusul were a horse, it would be easier to shoot it.
  12. DEMENTOR
    DEMENTOR 3 December 2017 20: 04
    0
    Well what can I say in the appendage, all the best and welcome aboard!