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Expert: Russia lags behind in the development of military UAVs on 5 years

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Russia is lagging behind in the development of military drones from the leading manufacturing countries by about 5 years, reports RIA News Statement by Vladimir Voronov, Head of the Center for Advanced Study of the Kronstadt Group.




The backlog of about five years. Unfortunately, there are a number of problems in the general state of the industry. An unmanned system is not only an airplane, but also a communications system, a control system and a number of other high technologies. Their entirety must be at a high level so that the product is at the same level,
told the ravens.

According to him, it is very difficult to catch up without a certain state program.

Our competitors also do not stand still. The Kronstadt group reduces this lag. Our investor AFK Sistema strongly supports our work, so much so that it is impossible to demand more from them. If the state wants it to be, then we are here,
A company representative added.

According to the agency, 4 companies are currently working in Russia to create unmanned aircraft complexes: MiG, Sukhoi, Simonov Design Bureau and the Kronstadt group. They are developing a line of reconnaissance-drone UAVs ranging in weight from 1 to 20 tons.
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 27 November 2017 12: 39 New
    +2
    Normally. We do tanks with a bang, but a normal car ....
    I don’t understand, we are doing excellent airplanes, but drones aren’t.
    How is that?

    1. Leeds
      Leeds 27 November 2017 14: 33 New
      +6
      Given the fact how many years ago the first strike drone hit a ground target, the expert felt sorry for us. Unfortunately.
      1. Kyzmich
        Kyzmich 28 November 2017 22: 12 New
        0
        why do you RCC not shock UAV?
  2. midshipman
    midshipman 27 November 2017 12: 47 New
    +9
    Correctly noted. And they were ahead of everyone in the late 80s. I also remember the creation of the Mikoyan Design Bureau and the NII-33 UAV based on the MiG-23. It was created for TV observation of the battlefield. And our Buran (I was a member of the State Commission for its launch). Here are the economic reforms of tagged and drunk. Now we will catch up. I have the honor.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 27 November 2017 12: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: midshipman
      Here are the economic reforms of tagged and drunk. Now we will catch up.

      There is nothing special to add ... We are reaping the benefits. sad
    2. Professor
      Professor 27 November 2017 13: 15 New
      +8
      Quote: midshipman
      And we were at the end of the 80's ahead of all.

      Were not. Soviet drones then flew only along a given route and shot everything on a photo film. Just like in the 1930 years. There was no talk of any real-time mode.

      The lag is about five years.

      What is the order of such "5 years"? "About 5 years" I understand, "about 5 years" I do not understand. request
      The backlog is of course more than 5 and even 10. See what the 10-15 bourgeoisie had years ago and what Russia has today.
    3. ARES623
      ARES623 27 November 2017 20: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: midshipman
      And we were at the end of the 80's ahead of all.

      Yes not really? Well, it’s a saying from that time that "our microcircuit is the largest microcircuit in the world." And we also had the "largest submarine," because it did not fit into other missiles. We had an eternal problem with the element base, microprocessors. Maybe on Buran an extra “suitcase” is not a hindrance, but with the current UAV every gram of saved weight is golden. On the other hand, during the period of the 90s, we eagerly rushed for imported electronic equipment, which finally finished off our already not very powerful electronic production. Kudrin, together with the liberals, today demands to open our import market.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 27 November 2017 22: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Karen
          In the USSR there were many creative teams. The institutes of S. A. Lebedev, I. S. Bruk, V. M. Glushkov - only the largest of them

          I agree with you. But, on your desk, there is something not from the Russian Federation, you are not watching TV programs from the Russian Federation, and all the work of the above teams is worthless, if we were dependent on imports on the component base today, yesterday, and the day before yesterday. in military products. And even in space on our carriers a small "Chinese" flies.
          1. Karen
            Karen 27 November 2017 23: 30 New
            0
            They steal ... (s) :(
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 28 November 2017 00: 55 New
              0
              Quote: Karen
              They steal ... (s) :(

              You have paranoia. You and your first deal with ....
              1. Karen
                Karen 28 November 2017 08: 55 New
                0
                Do not sprinkle salt on the wounds :)
          2. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 28 November 2017 16: 43 New
            +1
            Good approach! We are launching the "Little Chinese." Is it bad that WE LAUNCH or that Chinese Little?
            In case of urgent need, the problem with the elemental base will be solved with both ship and helicopter engines.
            They do not decide - it means there is no urgent need and international cooperation is enough to ensure state support. interests.
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 29 November 2017 18: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Is it bad that WE LAUNCH or that Chinese Little?

              Obviously, the Russian language is not your native language, so I’ll explain that the question about “bad” is not worth it. In my comment, the word "bad" is not there at all. There are realities of production and the level of technological advances in a narrow segment of science. We must not pour “water” about creative groups, but understand our place in the world “ranking table”.
              Quote: Vlad.by
              They do not decide - it means there is no urgent need and international cooperation is enough to ensure state support. interests.

              That's right, they drove 19 satellites into the ocean, so someone really wanted to ... request
  3. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 27 November 2017 12: 51 New
    +2
    Under the USSR, the “Buran” was a drone ..... but here we can’t create a drone. Of course, 5 years by modern standards is a lot, but the main thing is not to stop ... and I really hope to catch up.
  4. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 November 2017 12: 52 New
    +3
    If only for 5 years.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 27 November 2017 12: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: vladimirvn
      If only for 5 years.


      That is precisely, we lag behind in aviation by 15-20 years in technology and 25-30 years in concepts and long-term planning ...
      1. shans2
        shans2 27 November 2017 13: 59 New
        +2
        this F-22 is already 15 years behind even the Su-35), with Western degradants, OLS appeared only in the 2000s, while in the USSR already in the 80s. There are no OLSs on the F-22 ...
        1. Kyzmich
          Kyzmich 28 November 2017 22: 02 New
          0
          How many years behind our Yak41 F-35B I modestly keep silent.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 27 November 2017 14: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: ZVO
        That is precisely, we lag behind in aviation by 15-20 years in technology and 25-30 years

        Just do not need pi ... (sorry that there is censorship). In what area of ​​aviation are we so behind, are you our Ukrainian liberoid? Few of you freaks in Syria got from our "backward" aviation?
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 29 November 2017 19: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: ZVO
          That is precisely, we lag behind in aviation by 15-20 years in technology and 25-30 years

          Just do not need pi ... (sorry that there is censorship). In what area of ​​aviation are we so behind, are you our Ukrainian liberoid? Few of you freaks in Syria got from our "backward" aviation?

          Hey, lush ... Call Haloperidol! And then you stink here ...
          What is our counterpart to Ripper, GlobalHawk, X-47?
          Huh? I can not hear...
          Call a foolish one with no substance, I can send you uncensored to directories of aircraft ... Therefore, hide in the slot and do not shine with your racist statements ... Or should I complain about racism on the Internet? on your nickname? Division K - it will simply be obliged to find you - after all, the accusation of racism and racial hatred that you interpret in your opuses is very quickly resolved by them ... Look at the courts in judicial practice ... there are many of them ...
          And I'm not Ukrainian or Israeli. Just like you need to be punished for the language that pomelo ...
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 29 November 2017 19: 42 New
            0
            Quote: ZVO
            Hey, violent ... Or should I complain about racism on the Internet?

            You, before you gush with your bowel movements, re-read your bunch of insults against me - this is the first. Second, I gave you your quote, if you forgot the Russian letters, I can quote again: "That's just behind in aviation for 15-20 years for technology and 25-30 years for concepts and long-term planning." Let it be known to you that drones are far from all AVIATION. Shalom, shout.
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 29 November 2017 20: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: ZVO
              Hey, violent ... Or should I complain about racism on the Internet?

              You, before you gush with your bowel movements, re-read your bunch of insults against me - this is the first. Second, I gave you your quote, if you forgot the Russian letters, I can quote again: "That's just behind in aviation for 15-20 years for technology and 25-30 years for concepts and long-term planning." Let it be known to you that drones are far from all AVIATION. Shalom, shout.

              Ochkuyut, Natsik ... Ochkuyu .. I will follow you ... For racism and inciting ethnic hatred ...
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 29 November 2017 20: 35 New
                0
                Quote: ZVO
                Ochkuyut, Natsik ... Ochkuyu .. I will follow you ... For racism and inciting ethnic hatred ..

                I'm already very scared, but even more funny, from your little comments. In Sportloto, perhaps, a snitch, unfettered. Yes, and buy binoculars to watch closely. D, B.
      3. Karen
        Karen 28 November 2017 08: 03 New
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        Quote: ZVO
        Quote: vladimirvn
        If only for 5 years.


        That is precisely, we lag behind in aviation by 15-20 years in technology and 25-30 years in concepts and long-term planning ...

        That's when Belenko hijacked a plane to Japan, the most demanded for us were the programs “Voices of America” about our planes ... and there also all ears buzzed with their stories about the backlog of Soviet aviation by 15 years. :)
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 29 November 2017 19: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Karen
          Quote: ZVO
          Quote: vladimirvn
          If only for 5 years.


          That is precisely, we lag behind in aviation by 15-20 years in technology and 25-30 years in concepts and long-term planning ...

          That's when Belenko hijacked a plane to Japan, the most demanded for us were the programs “Voices of America” about our planes ... and there also all ears buzzed with their stories about the backlog of Soviet aviation by 15 years. :)


          F-22 and Su-57 - how old?
          AFAR, Network-centricity, Link-16, NIF-Ka, GlobalHawk, Reaper, X-47 - name the analogues ... Just name the real operating models in service ...
          1. Karen
            Karen 30 November 2017 17: 36 New
            0
            Stealth was also considered invisible, and all control of all the flaps there was calculated by the onboard computer. Did it help?
            ______
            About networketricity. The BTR-31 had everything for this ... they also did it here ... Koresh, near Irkutsk, was brought by helicopter for these works ... It was not difficult to transfer to aviation ...
  5. Sergey53
    Sergey53 27 November 2017 12: 55 New
    +1
    For some reason, we are almost always the FIRST to develop, and then for some reason we are intensively catching up.?
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 27 November 2017 14: 42 New
      0
      The head is working, hands do not reach, these, with sanctions, walk along the blade of the knife. If you press us and your hands reach, well, then rake again.
  6. askort154
    askort154 27 November 2017 13: 09 New
    +3
    Microelectronics began to develop in the early 60s. We constantly lagged behind. (USA, Japan, Israel, India)) A sharp lag began in the late 80s and by 2007 reached 20-25 years. To make a glider for UAVs is not a problem for us. We have a problem with engines and, especially, with microelectronics. Now these issues are being intensively dealt with. A lag of 5 years already sounds encouraging.
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 November 2017 15: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      To make a glider for UAVs is not a problem for us.

      Problem. Likely to copy someone else's and ATTENTION !!! to tie wings with strings.




      Unmanned aircraft is a serious matter, not a circle of aircraft modellers, as some here imagine.
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 27 November 2017 16: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Lost copying someone else's

        And you might think that you’re not doing this, for which don’t take it; all of someone’s copies have been converted by you to your loved ones. laughing
        Inventors damn it. laughing
        1. Viktorfi
          Viktorfi 27 November 2017 16: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Victor-M
          And you might think that you’re not doing this, for which don’t take it


          Israel has a lot of its developments, you just seem to have little understanding of what to write about .. Yes, and apparently the news of the world of technology does not look ...

          But regarding one might think ..

          Russia, like the USSR, the legacy of which Russia still enjoys, unlike little Israel, is ashamed to be in a similar state of lagging claiming high status among other countries ...
        2. Professor
          Professor 27 November 2017 21: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Victor-M
          And you might think that you’re not doing this, for which don’t take it; all of someone’s copies have been converted by you to your loved ones.

          Yeah. Kalashnikov's drone was ripped off. wassat

          Quote: ARES623
          It’s just that in the adult state, a person creates something worthwhile in unmanned aircraft, in childhood, he should spend in an aircraft model club (or somewhere nearby, for example, in a ship model ...)

          I do not agree. I won’t say anything for other countries, but in Israel, drone developers in the aero-model circles did not study due to the lack of them.
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 28 November 2017 16: 52 New
            0
            Naturally! They all, well, or almost all of them studied in the Soviet circles of aircraft modeling.
            By the way, there are no problems with communication, as the author broadcasts.
            There are problems with the engines - yes! Russia rarely pays attention to something small. If you build, then it’s big, like DneproGES.
            Well, nothing, we’re getting to the little one. A couple of years ago, the “backlog” was voiced at the age of 15-20, and, well, you are already 5.
            At that pace, we will soon be in unattainable leaders!
            1. Kyzmich
              Kyzmich 29 November 2017 05: 17 New
              0
              I don’t think that there is a problem with micro ICE.
              They were mass-produced at the time from 0.8cm2 to 50cm2
              And with electro too.
              Rather, there is a problem with a mini-turbojet engine, and that is doubtful. -On our calibers are the same.
              1. ZVO
                ZVO 29 November 2017 19: 43 New
                0
                Quote: Kyzmich

                Rather, there is a problem with a mini-turbojet engine, and that is doubtful. -On our calibers are the same.

                On the caliber is what they were able to redo from Amer’s WR-19, when ours were able to lift an experimental tomahawk from the water in the Caribbean ...
          2. ARES623
            ARES623 29 November 2017 21: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Israel, drone developers in aero-model circles did not study due to the lack thereof.

            Just because many of them spent their childhood in the USSR with free mugs and sections. Holocaust victims have a tradition of stealing someone else’s ...
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 27 November 2017 20: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Unmanned aircraft is a serious matter, not a circle of aircraft modellers, as some here imagine.

        It’s just that in the adult state, a person creates something worthwhile in unmanned aircraft, in childhood, he should spend in an aircraft model club (or somewhere nearby, for example, in a ship model ...)
        1. Kyzmich
          Kyzmich 28 November 2017 21: 47 New
          0
          almost all of the leading aircraft designers and pilots are test pilots in the past, and at a high level.
          O.K. Antonov at one time made a decision through the Central Committee on the special status of admitting aircraft models to aviation institutes.
        2. ZVO
          ZVO 29 November 2017 19: 45 New
          0
          Quote: ARES623
          Quote: Professor
          Unmanned aircraft is a serious matter, not a circle of aircraft modellers, as some here imagine.

          It’s just that in the adult state, a person creates something worthwhile in unmanned aircraft, in childhood, he should spend in an aircraft model club (or somewhere nearby, for example, in a ship model ...)


          Nonsense...
          Only a gamer can become a pilot 100% using the potential of a 5th generation aircraft.
          But never a pilot who grew up from Dosaaf ...
          This is a fact.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 29 November 2017 21: 15 New
            0
            Quote: ZVO
            Only a gamer can become a pilot 100% using the potential of a 5th generation aircraft.

            Categoricality as a child on a pot ..... Bullshit is golem, there is nothing to comment ...
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 1 December 2017 14: 49 New
              0
              Quote: ARES623
              Quote: ZVO
              Only a gamer can become a pilot 100% using the potential of a 5th generation aircraft.

              Categoricality as a child on a pot ..... Bullshit is golem, there is nothing to comment ...


              Read military doctors about the statistics of the transition of pilots from generation to generation ..
              How many percent could become pilots of the Su-27 from the MiG-21 ...
              How many pilots will fly on a Su-57 from a Su-30 ...
              At the 5th generation, no more than 20% of the available pilots will be able to fly.
              Therefore, they (5th generation aircraft) are so little bought.
              For the pilot-ace for the 5th generation to prepare already only at the military school - are already incapable!
              Already need the individual features of the gamer. in addition to health and military commissar ...
              Too much electronics, too different.

              This is no longer nonsense - it is already a fact.
              If in the Russian Federation there is no such understanding yet, then it is already in the mattress.
              They have almost 20 years of experience flying 5 generations.
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 29 November 2017 21: 31 New
            +3
            It's ridiculous! And will these gamers on Claudia empty their stomachs (they wanted to write more often, they didn’t give because the program is like that) will they? or in a face mask?
            Take your eyes off Claudia’s sons and go see what, not such weak guys, future pilots, are leaving a centrifuge or a pressure chamber! I don’t offer to try, guess why?
            In short, if he descends from the world of companion fantasies, to a sinful, but real land, it turns out that DOSAAF and the accompanying real physical training steers and for a long time it will be so.
            Although ... we can I lagged behind something advanced and advanced in the pocket of gamers, anti-gravity is full ... or anti-overload, something that no one knows about yet.
            After all, it’s difficult to distinguish a fantasy world from delirium, it all depends on the depth of “immersion” !?
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 1 December 2017 14: 52 New
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              Quote: rocket757

              After all, it’s difficult to distinguish a fantasy world from delirium, it all depends on the depth of “immersion” !?

              Read military doctors about the statistics of the transition of pilots from generation to generation ..
              How many percent could become pilots of the Su-27 from the MiG-21 ...
              How many pilots will fly on a Su-57 from a Su-30 ...
              At the 5th generation, no more than 20% of the available pilots will be able to fly.
              Therefore, they (5th generation aircraft) are so little bought.
              For the pilot-ace for the 5th generation to prepare already only at the military school - are already incapable!
              Already need the individual features of the gamer. in addition to health and military commissar ...
              Too much electronics, too different.

              This is no longer nonsense - it is already a fact.
              If in the Russian Federation there is no such understanding yet, then it is already in the mattress.
              They have almost 20 years of experience flying 5 generations.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 1 December 2017 15: 30 New
                +3
                Come on, for that Schaub pilots, in addition to physical training, should also be brainy, that's understandable. Harmonious development in many areas.
                You would think, only the Yankees understand.
                I will not argue that a gamer, something stunted, physically underdeveloped ... I met everyone, I still work in this area, but the preparation of a MILITARY pilot is like a very developed physicist.
                Itself crawled out of the pressure chamber with the feeling that I would die! and the loads were very average, and the pilots there are "tormented" to the fullest !!! Hence the conclusion - a gamer is needed not such a frail athlete!
                There are no contradictions here, and preparation, primary, in DOSAF will come in handy for anyone, like gaming skills.
                It turns out that you can’t separate, you have to combine harmoniously!
      3. Kyzmich
        Kyzmich 28 November 2017 21: 08 New
        0
        And what excited you so much in the strings!
        It is a shock-absorbing mount and, during rough landing, protects the bearing planes from destruction. The aircraft model has been using it for several decades and has fully justified itself in practice.
        1. Professor
          Professor 30 November 2017 07: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Kyzmich
          And what excited you so much in the strings!
          It is a shock-absorbing mount and, during rough landing, protects the bearing planes from destruction. The aircraft model has been using it for several decades and has fully justified itself in practice.

          Urgent patent and tie the wings with an elastic band and on civilian liners. By the way, see the rubber there is special, space. Able to remain as elastic and durable even in cold weather in minus 40 and in heat in plus 50. laughing
  7. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 November 2017 13: 17 New
    0
    Quote: ZVO
    Quote: vladimirvn
    If only for 5 years.


    That is precisely, we lag behind in aviation by 15-20 years in technology and 25-30 years in concepts and long-term planning ...

    Are we giving it to you?
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 29 November 2017 19: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Evrodav
      Quote: ZVO
      Quote: vladimirvn
      If only for 5 years.


      That is precisely, we lag behind in aviation by 15-20 years in technology and 25-30 years in concepts and long-term planning ...

      Are we giving it to you?

      no. We work without days off and no nepotism ...
  8. donavi49
    donavi49 27 November 2017 13: 30 New
    +1
    I wonder how they counted and from whom. For example, Iran uses a Shahid-129 strike UAV - since 2015 of the year in real combat conditions. With the use of shock complex.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 27 November 2017 14: 18 New
    +4
    In the USSR, we could and did lag behind in some positions, the leadership of the country had their own “cockroaches” in their heads, in the military sphere it was not critical, our designers did not have the wit and talent !!! And then for so many years of devastation and sale of everything and everything, we will hiccup for a long time to come.
    Nothing, catch up and n ... do not give in or do everything in our own way, they will still envy.
  10. svp67
    svp67 27 November 2017 15: 03 New
    +1
    Expert: Russia lags behind in the development of military UAVs on 5 years
    The 80s, the 20th century, the NATO countries were 5 years behind. Then, it seemed, Russia was forever behind. Now the backlog is estimated at 5 years ... And how not to appear shock UAV. Although it is VERY necessary in all classes.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 28 November 2017 16: 54 New
      0
      Yes, there are drums already, though so far only on tracks.
      But will fly soon laughing
  11. Victor-M
    Victor-M 27 November 2017 16: 36 New
    +1
    Expert: Russia lags behind in the development of military UAVs on 5 years

    With advanced EW tools, drones are nothing more than a too expensive and useless toy. Therefore, this is a controversial issue, who is behind in what, who will produce more milk, meat or manure. laughing
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 27 November 2017 16: 48 New
      0
      And why have the Americans been developing a drone for near space since 1999, that’s awkward!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 November 2017 16: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Victor-M
      With advanced EW tools, drones are nothing more than a too expensive and useless toy.

      And they are not for a big "right" war, but for local conflicts. Type of the same Syria - where UAVs are used for reconnaissance and missile defense, including for illumination purposes. There was a video from there - everything was lousy on the screen, and in the upper left corner the fawn remaining from the original recording was “LCD Backlight”. smile
  12. viktorch
    viktorch 27 November 2017 16: 51 New
    +1
    the question is how many years and from whom the Russian Federation lags behind in the electronic elementary base,
    from this and dances in everything else,
    we are now not in the position of catching up, in this position China is relative to the USA, the Russian Federation in the position of suck
  13. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 27 November 2017 16: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Viktorfi
    Quote: Victor-M
    And you might think that you’re not doing this, for which don’t take it


    Israel has a lot of its developments, you just seem to have little understanding of what to write about .. Yes, and apparently the news of the world of technology does not look ...

    But regarding one might think ..

    Russia, like the USSR, the legacy of which Russia still enjoys, unlike little Israel, is ashamed to be in a similar state of lagging claiming high status among other countries ...

    It’s just that 2,5 million former residents of the USSR escaped to this small Israel and dragged a bunch of technologies there ... I’m not talking about Martians in the government and in the country's leadership ...
    1. Viktorfi
      Viktorfi 27 November 2017 17: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Dzafdet
      But 2,5 million former residents of the USSR fled to this small Israel,

      From whom did they run? Probably from a good life? wink
      How much how much?

      Quote: Dzafdet
      who dragged a bunch of technology there ...

      Yeah, just a bunch. Famous myth.

      Quote: Dzafdet
      I'm not talking about Martians in the government and in the leadership of the country ...


      Ah ... without them you have no way. There is always someone to release their problems and anger at.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 28 November 2017 16: 03 New
        0
        From whom did they run? Probably from a good life?


        but I'm glad that you ran away. Handsome men!
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 28 November 2017 16: 58 New
        0
        And you personally lived badly in the Union ???
        But in Israel it immediately became good ???
        Oh don't make me laugh!
  14. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 27 November 2017 17: 07 New
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    Quote: Dzafdet
    Quote: Viktorfi
    Quote: Victor-M
    And you might think that you’re not doing this, for which don’t take it


    Israel has a lot of its developments, you just seem to have little understanding of what to write about .. Yes, and apparently the news of the world of technology does not look ...

    But regarding one might think ..

    Russia, like the USSR, the legacy of which Russia still enjoys, unlike little Israel, is ashamed to be in a similar state of lagging claiming high status among other countries ...

    It’s just that 2,5 million former residents of the USSR escaped to this small Israel and dragged a bunch of technologies there ... I’m not talking about Martians in the government and in the country's leadership ...

    Yes, it’s not necessary to fuss so lagging behind is purely symbolic, it does not affect parity. The topic is under development and next year they will begin practical tests of their UAVs. And everything went through copying in due time. The omnipotent SGA was also not too lazy to copy the Soviet and experience, and they also never were ashamed to steal other people's ideas. So it’s too early to get upset over such a trifle - all the components for developing your UAVs are there, and the rest will come in the near future. hi
    1. Viktorfi
      Viktorfi 27 November 2017 17: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Vlad5307
      Yes, don’t need to fuss like that. The lag is purely symbolic.


      Well, yes, in 10-20 years.
      And no one fusses. Everything is fine.
      Russia bought drones from Israel at one time ... More precisely, production under license in Russia.

      Quote: Vlad5307
      The omnipotent SGA was also not too lazy to copy the Soviet and experience, and they also never were ashamed to steal other people's ideas.


      This is yes, everyone steals and uses. Soviet scientists removed some of the Soviet scientists who worked for them, rocket technology borrowed, etc. The US is also well taken from the Germans of military technology after the war.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 November 2017 18: 17 New
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        Quote: Viktorfi
        The US is also well taken from the Germans of military technology after the war.

        Ja, ja ... for example, the father of the American cosmonautics in natural habitat:
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 29 November 2017 19: 57 New
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Viktorfi
          The US is also well taken from the Germans of military technology after the war.

          Ja, ja ... for example, the father of the American cosmonautics in natural habitat:


          Can you name the real father of Soviet cosmonautics here?
          Alas, but this is not Sergei Pavlovich.
          And Helmut.
          Helmut Gretgroup.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 29 November 2017 21: 22 New
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            Quote: ZVO
            Can you name the real father of Soviet cosmonautics here?

            Your colleague on "Pinocchio" near Kopeysk shed tears, and you there too. Read the memories of Boris Chertok, maybe that comes up ....
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 1 December 2017 21: 17 New
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              Quote: ARES623
              Quote: ZVO
              Can you name the real father of Soviet cosmonautics here?

              Your colleague on "Pinocchio" near Kopeysk shed tears, and you there too. Read the memories of Boris Chertok, maybe that comes up ....


              Read where Chertok was in during the end of the war ... in the spring of the 45th ...
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 1 December 2017 22: 14 New
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                Quote: ZVO
                Read where Chertok was in during the end of the war ... in the spring of the 45th ...

                And who was Panikovsky before the revolution?
                Grettrup led the development in parallel with the Royal as a counterweight. Because his work on the Royal or under it was impossible for fundamental reasons. Everyone (I mean the curators of the Korolev and Grettrup projects, but actually they themselves) fully understood that the Korolev project, but not Grettrup, would be accepted. So Helmut is not suitable as the fathers of Soviet cosmonautics. In the history of the creation of the R-7, its participation is not visible. Chertok in the group of Grettrup was his deputy and the watcher. In this case, dad is the one who is actively working for mom. Grettrup in this process played the role of Playboy magazine, lying under the sofa - sort of in the subject, but out of work.
  15. viktordark
    viktordark 27 November 2017 18: 09 New
    +1
    Our UAVs are the same as in the USA or Israel and we are not behind them, and on the battlefield with a serious electronic warfare of the Russian Federation or another country their UAVs are useless, which confirms the landing of one of them in the Crimea
    so it’s not fearless for us that the Predators are not the Reapers, they simply won’t even fly to launch a rocket or a bomb, and anyone can bomb them with undeveloped camps.
  16. chidoryan
    chidoryan 27 November 2017 18: 48 New
    +2
    Well ... if our expert “honestly” recognized the backlog by five years, then we multiply by three times. Howl about EW ridiculed, well, let's fight with spears, phalanges, phalanx no EW is terrible!
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 28 November 2017 17: 02 New
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      Not ours, but your expert.
      And not to multiply, but to divide.
      And do not fight the phalanges, but to extinguish electronic warfare all receiving equipment. And then - at least with spears, at least AKM, at least with the Coalitions
      1. chidoryan
        chidoryan 29 November 2017 07: 53 New
        +1
        If you divide, it turns out that we are not far behind, and in some respects we surpass foreign analogues! 111 It’s more bad to listen to you, so on any barrel about high technology you have a three-letter plug - EW. Well, let's not develop anything high-tech at all, but we have electronic warfare! Apparently, your receiving equipment in your brain has been extinguished for a long time;
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 29 November 2017 10: 07 New
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          And when did we drink at the Brudershaft, son?
          Do not run up, you will get change in the same boorish tone.
          And in the case - EW of course does not belong to high technologies?
          Or is high technology only foreign? Are you an expert who personally wrote about a specific lag in years? Why are you tearing a shirt on your chest, accepting other people's words on faith?
          And turn on your head? Back in the USSR there was a Bee and Tu-143 Flight. Do you really think that it’s difficult to put modern data transmission equipment on them to ensure the transmission of digital pictures and the coordinates of detected targets? And to make control more noise-resistant? Even at the level of our, domestic, "low" technologies? Yes Easy! Both cameras and a side-view radar with a synthesized aperture - all this is.
          But for some reason they don’t start mass production. So, indulge in the Eagles and Owls.
          So there are reasons for that.
          And most likely, this is precisely the problem of countering electronic warfare. Since we know how to clog control channels and land UAVs, then the enemy, probably also knows how. And for the Papuan rut, drones will go, but for a serious mess, this is not a panacea. So do not rush, looking for breakthrough, "high" solutions. Asymmetric, as fashionably expressed. And, be sure - they will find it! And they’ll let me into the series.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 29 November 2017 10: 21 New
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            You only answer one question or two. What has changed in your approach to the fund. and applied science since the beginning of the century - financing, equipment high. level, state support. What are the speed and quality of the implementation of high-tech projects in production. Marketing? And preferably examples ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 November 2017 10: 59 New
              +3
              Oh, oh, stepped on a long callus!
              If something develops here, it is contrary to, and not according to. So it’s hard to expect great achievements ... however, part of the people are no longer waiting for development.
              And here figs to you, there will be a holiday on our street !!! - I worked for a patriot lol
            2. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 29 November 2017 14: 03 New
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              Would you like to say that Israel’s achievements in the construction of UAVs are associated with a sharp jerk in
              Quote: Shahno
              approach to the fund. and applied science since the beginning of the century - financing, equipment high. level, state support
              ??
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 29 November 2017 14: 21 New
                +3
                The armament market context as well. They drove on time, but the idea was literally in the air!
                They did, they are developing production and technology ... everything is fine.
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 27 November 2017 19: 38 New
    +3
    The country has problems, besides embezzlement, bureaucratic lawlessness, incompetence ... and further on the list. Now it affects that many talents escaped from difficulties and industry destroyed the foreign and domestic goats.
    So why are they now attacked and worn out over the same hill, and again, the internal enemies are AFRAID that RUSSIA will once again take a leap forward and show everyone the same, al, our native KUZKIN'S MOTHER !!!
    Priorities are set, the armed forces will be strong again ... if anything, the aggressor will be defeated.
    Paphos, by the way, in fact, the most necessary thing is done first and hands reach the UAV, give the deadline ... if only the priorities and power have not changed!
  18. fuch
    fuch 28 November 2017 16: 18 New
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    "Our competitors are not standing still either. Kronstadt Group Reduces This Backloge. Our investor AFK Sistema strongly supports our work, so much that it is impossible to demand more from them. If the state wants it to be, then we are here,
    added a company spokesman. "I think the comments are superfluous. Only business.
  19. ver_
    ver_ 28 November 2017 16: 23 New
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    Quote: midshipman
    Correctly noted. And they were ahead of everyone in the late 80s. I also remember the creation of the Mikoyan Design Bureau and the NII-33 UAV based on the MiG-23. It was created for TV observation of the battlefield. And our Buran (I was a member of the State Commission for its launch). Here are the economic reforms of tagged and drunk. Now we will catch up. I have the honor.

    .. I don’t think it will take a lot of time .., not from scratch .., there are enough gliders, both friends and strangers, and even at the stage of * fine-tuning * many different * models * ..
  20. Kyzmich
    Kyzmich 28 November 2017 21: 22 New
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    Quote: Professor
    Quote: askort154
    To make a glider for UAVs is not a problem for us.


    Unmanned aircraft is a serious matter, not a circle of aircraft modellers, as some here imagine.

    Just do not talk about aircraft models.
    You can’t imagine just how much air modeling is a serious matter at the champion level.
    Many aircraft designers today are serious aircraft designers and pilots.
    And the main mistake of our "egg-headed" from aviation is a contempt for the baggage of technology and knowledge that were cultivated in an aircraft model environment.
    This is especially true for small UAVs.
    You are just not in the subject.
    Many of your army UAVs are very much like aircraft models initial level of design for students.

    To enlighten your mind, I advise you to get acquainted with the Russian team on RC models RusJet- absolute world champions.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC4jG-wuVoc
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 1 December 2017 16: 32 New
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      Quote: Kyzmich
      Many aircraft designers today are serious aircraft designers and pilots.

      A person who spent his childhood in a circle of technical creativity has more motivation and skills, both physical and creative, in order to choose the work of a design engineer as his main activity. And if a child since childhood did not hold anything except a computer keyboard and mouse, then it is unlikely that he will wake up craving for bolts and nuts. A gamer is a person working on an already finished product, a modeler is the creator of his toy. The difference is fundamental.
  21. Kyzmich
    Kyzmich 28 November 2017 21: 37 New
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    Quote: Professor
    I do not agree. I won’t say anything for other countries, but in Israel, drone developers in the aero-model circles did not study due to the lack of them.

    Here it is not necessary to lie and offend Israeli aircraft models!
    I can answer you from a professional point of view as an instructor - an aircraft modeller (and who has become one already in Israel).
    Two large organizations are engaged in aircraft modeling in Israel (We will not consider small private circles, although they also exist):
    (1) Gadna Avir Air Force. The main emphasis is on the technical side of the matter and on preparation for service in the Air Force (as UAV operators). Accordingly, they will mainly build radio-controlled motor models (International Classification F3A, F3D)
    (2) Israeli Aeroclub ("Hateuf le Israel Club"). The main emphasis is on the sporting events of modellers and, accordingly, all types of models are popular, although the most popular are uncontrollable models (International Classification F1A-C, known in Russia as A1 and A2 type models). By the way, Israeli aircraft modellers get results at competitions which are far from “ordinary” Israeli athletes, including European and world championships.
    You can probably find out about Gadna Avir on the Air Force website. As for the Aeroclub, if you tell me which city in Israel you live, I can tell you if there is a branch of this organization.
    taken from here http://www.waronline.org/fora/index.php?threads/%
    D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D
    0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC-%D0%B2-%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%
    D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B5.5376/
    Wasteland you are a professor, judging by your "strings" you are clearly not in the subject.
  22. Kyzmich
    Kyzmich 28 November 2017 22: 07 New
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    Theme with combat UAVs for our Sun is the topic of cutting money.
    Entrance to this club "sawers" is very limited.
    In Russia there are at least a dozen private UAV manufacturing and development companies.
    But hell didn’t dare get into these budget squabbles as general lackeys and, in addition, receive the status of travel abroad.
    They have everything in order with the sales of their UAVs and comes to idiocy when ours buy our own UAVs from foreigners)))