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The logical outcome of the coup in Lugansk

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I didn’t expect, I confess, such a number of questions on the topic “Well, what is there in Lugansk?” Yes, everything is normal there, all within the framework of Ukrainian scenarios. Nothing new or out of the ordinary.


Now, if Plotnitsky would not be allowed to leave, then there would be a bust. And so - everything is very decent. Quiet peaceful such a coup, without much noise, without casualties. The statement like "I'm tired, I'm leaving," a friendly vote for the new acting. the head of the republic (I am sure that the “acting” beekeeper will survive and become the head), a dustless position for Plotnitsky.

The main thing is that alive. The rest - little things in life, about which you should not grieve.

According to Leonid Pasechnik, who became the new leader of the republic, Plotnitsky’s departure "was affected by numerous combat wounds and the consequences of a concussion." I would also add: "And unwillingness to get new ones, possibly incompatible with life."

How bad was the administrator Carpenter and how good the lieutenant colonel of the SBU Pasechnik will be in this role, time will tell.

There is no desire to talk about who is worse or better. There were a lot of questions and a lot of discontent towards Plotnitsky. As an excuse, we can only say that Igor Venediktovich was “planted” by ours into an already practically formed team. Which, obviously, put up with him until a certain point. The moment has come, and Plotnitsky is “gone.”

The way it all happened is also not surprising. The Ministry of Internal Affairs is revolting against the legally elected leader, the people's militia, that is to say, the army, "does not support."

Such an alignment would be wild in a normal country. In the republic of the “fourth world”, where civil mechanisms and concepts like fidelity to the oath and everything else are completely absent, this is not something normal, it is natural. So - no surprise.

Yes, and the people didn’t have a desire to go out with shouts of “Lugansk, get up!” ...

By the way, May photos of this year. Oath of allegiance to the republic in the Lugansk Academy of Internal Affairs. Cornet and Carpentry are watching? Watching Well, the process of bringing too. In May they took the oath, in November they spat on it. And the lawfully elected leader of that ... otmaydanili





It's great that they did without human victims. Sumptuously. For this, you can, in general, leave behind the shutdown TRC Lugansk and read the charms of "democracy".

The coup was a success. Congratulations to Beekeeper and Cornet.

And what about Moscow? Many in the network shouted at the topic, where the Kremlin is looking and why does it not react?

Excuse me, but where should I look and how should I react? Angry shout "Cornet, a place!"? So Cornet is not a guard dog, he is quite a wolf with his pack. Which, as is obvious, goes after the leader. His pack. MIA LC.

To persuade through advisers? Threaten? Yes fullness. The reaction of Moscow just perfectly showed that there already deeply pofigu on all the rotation in the LC. Let what they want, then they turn back, if only they don’t bleed and don’t give more money than they give.

The fact that Moscow, without hysteria, reacted so much to the fact that Plotnitsky was removed, only testifies to the fact that by and large everyone has spat on LDNR. And, perhaps, written off.

Actually, quite a logical result. As with the DNI in due time.

Yes, comparisons with the actions of Zakharchenko suggest themselves. Just Zakharchenko a little earlier did in the soup of all who disturbed him. He dispersed and reassembled the council, put out Purgin's companions, very democratically and in the spirit of the law repudiated Khodakovsky. We analyzed it in due time, and came to the conclusion that there is a law in the DPR, when Zakharchenko needs it.

The same, in fact, now in the LC. Yes, there is some kind of paper stuff stained with paint like the Constitution. So what? And nothing. Maidan-Lugansk everything. What are there any laws and constitutions if Pasechnik and Cornet decided to “do everything well”?

Let them do it. Moreover, everything is in the spirit of time and in accordance. In Ukraine, it was decided that enough was enough - and they exhibited the legitimate president, Yanukovich. In the DNI decided that enough - and put Purgina. LC what is worse? Yes, nothing, in general. As a result, Carpenter in Russia.

The standard scenario for Ukraine: one gang changes the other. And do not tales about the fact that the Donbass is not Ukraine. Geographically today - yes, not Ukraine. As for the people, that is another question.

At least, that in Kiev, in Donetsk, in Lugansk, issues are solved according to one scenario. Not having any relation to the rule of law.

Personally, I do not need other evidence.

Apparently, everything is still better than me, understood in the Kremlin. Therefore, the reaction in the style of "turn as you wish, for Minsk-2, do not crawl out, and to hell with you."

Well, “Minsk-2” is the first thing that the Beekeeper started waving. Good move, everyone should be calm.

But in general, just a coup. One gang changed the other. Local security officials removed the Kremlin henchman.

Normally, now that the LC is free to breathe deeply, Beekeeper has already spoken on the newly included Lugansk television and said that a bright future is not far off.

“Any state cannot exist without economy. This is the basis of the basics, so the efforts of me and my team will be aimed at raising and launching the production of those industrial enterprises located in the territory of our republic. ”

Well, God forbid, that the security official came out that did not work at the administrator.

There is in all this, however, for me personally a fly in the ointment.

"Siloviki of all republics, unite!". They sent me a funny movie. As Dmitry "Fierce" Pindyurin calls for help Zakharchenko.



All is nothing, but I know the gang called “Bryanka USSR” firsthand. There were friction with them about the stolen insulin, which my colleague Mokey Rusinov tried to transfer through them to one of the hospitals. Insulin "went away", there was no clear explanation. They spat, especially since we have already finished work as humanitarian workers.

And last winter, representatives of “Bryanka” drove me to the tears, so that we stood up for their commander, whom the evil regime decided to bring to justice. Imposed "spinning", banditry and robbery.

And so, "Fierce" is not enough that at liberty, it also makes such curious, in my opinion, statements. Funny. But again, as part of the overall scenario.

Total. The result is very simple. Everything that happened in the LC, as well as what previously happened in the NPT, is a natural result. The one who has more trunks is right.

In the "republics" the security forces won, with a full order with the trunks. Law? Constitution? What for? There are armed formations that are able to resolve any issue.

I emphasize that I am very glad that in the DPR and in the LPR these issues were resolved without bloodshed.

This already gives some hope that after some time the basis for resolving disputes and conflicts will not be the number of armed people, but something else. For example, the law. Written, preferably of course, not by people with automatic machines, but by people with legal diplomas. And without machine guns behind his back.

This is a real chance for the DPR and the LPR to make the transition to the countries of the Third World. So far, even a common comparison with Zimbabwe and Uganda, sorry, not in their favor.

Proof of? No problem.

It is enough to take only the cries of Cornet and Pasechnik about the alleged “planned attempt to transfer the LC to Ukraine”. After that Carpenter left.

Sorry, this is what kind of monkey you need to be to believe that a man planted to lead three years ago and elected by a people who, nuance, a family in Russia "under supervision", will do this? So that someone else has not eaten those fungi?

Hpp? Give the LC, and the DNI itself will be bent? Oh, this “treacherous and evil Kremlin” ... Although in my opinion, Beekeeper was born by his colleagues in the SBU. Painfully Kiev fool pulls.

But if you remember a piece of paper called the “Constitution of the LPR” (sorry, the basic document of the country is written with a capital letter), then according to her, after the departure of Plotnitsky, the head of the People’s Council “Degtyarenko, not Pasechnik” was to become the first person of the republic. everyone on the board decided that Pasechnik was better.

This once again proves that everyone does not care about the "constitution." But on people Pasechnik with machine guns and the prospect of a basement at best - no.

Enough. In general, we have two territories that control the power structures of two types of "republics" of the Ukrainian sample. Immediately I will clarify that the “Ukrainian model” is a solution to the problems of the Maidan-force, that is, completely in an unlawful way.

Therefore, who will be the first there - the Ministry of State Security, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the people's militia / army, in fact, it does not matter. From the rearrangement of the terms of the terms, the amount has never changed.

So everything is fine, everything is fine.

Carpenter’s success in controlling the way Deineko controls the implementation of the Minsk Agreements, the Beekeeper’s success in launching mines and enterprises of the LPR, and Cornet’s success in policing.

Over the last do not worry. The order will be complete, given the experience in eliminating the undesirable Cornet-Pasechnik duet. Only Bednov and the Brain are worth something, and besides them there was a whole series of "liquidated by the Carpentry".

By the way. Now, after these events, I hope many questions will disappear on the topic “Who was behind the“ strange ”deaths and liquidations in the LC?”. It is clear that Plotnitsky is to blame for everything (as the first person), but nevertheless, in practice he did not have any tools of influence, except for bodyguard.

So we look, how it will turn further.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 November 2017 07: 14 New
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    The logical outcome of the coup in Lugansk
    ... the main thing is that they envisaged, and took appropriate countermeasures ...
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 27 November 2017 07: 26 New
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      I did not expect, I confess, so many questions on the topic "Well, what is there in Lugansk?" Yes, everything is fine there, all in the framework of Ukrainian scenarios.

      Analyst, damn it ... recourse

      According to the author, it appears that both the armored vehicles and the DPR troops entered Lugansk according to the "Ukrainian scenario", read what was written in Kiev?
      Or is it guided by the idea that the mindset of those who made the decision to eliminate the Plotnitsky (counter-coup) persons corresponds to the logic of the Ukronazists?

      Severe clinical case ...
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 27 November 2017 09: 25 New
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        In my opinion, to call Ukrainians people who raised the Russian spring, who for their Russianness, for Russia die - bust. Such a bust that just beyond.
        The “arguments” are too far-fetched. For example, that Plotnitsky’s family is “under supervision” in Russia. It seems that the author is not aware that there are such Ukrainian ATO killers who have families in Russia. The families of these killers feel good and confident here. Yes, and the presence of a family did not hinder the Russian fascists from going to the same Azov, for example. The author, apparently, confused something. This banderofascist junta uses families in Ukraine as hostages.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 27 November 2017 10: 01 New
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          Quote: Nikolai S.
          The “arguments” are too far-fetched. For example, that Plotnitsky’s family is “under supervision” in Russia.


          Indeed, the liberoid will read this, and: The guard! The FSB Plotnitsky’s family is held hostage !!! crying

          Perhaps an article for them, "darling"? Then why here, on Military Review, and not in the lousy press for "liberal intellectuals"? request
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 27 November 2017 11: 45 New
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            "There is much in the world, friend Horatio, Which our sages did not dream of."
            Junta killers freely enter Russia, work here, conduct Bandera demonstrations.
            As you can understand: 1) why the Russian authorities recognized the junta, which came to power illegally; 2) why did the junta immediately supply gas for $ 5bn without payment .; 3) why at the expense of the Russian Federation the Ukrainian subsidiaries of Russian banks have additionally capitalized in $ billions; 4) Why are they increasing their trade with the anti-Russian fascist regime; 5) etc., etc. There is support and funding for the fascist coup and regime in Kiev with the goal of breaking the Russian people and transferring Ukraine to the West at the expense of Russia. At least, including at the expense of Russia.
            On Russian TV, on which some channels it is not known whose country they represent, the air is clogged with all kinds of Russophobes, including fascists, Bandera. And they shut up their mouths to Russians, if they suddenly called someone. But now this is not enough. Already in the leadership of the channels began to recruit Bandera such that there is nowhere to put a test. For example, the creative producer of the STS channel was Ksenia Bugrimova, an employee of the Ukrainian STB channel, who was noted for creating videos and actively collecting money for the needs of punitive in the so-called ATO.
        2. shoemaker
          shoemaker 30 November 2017 20: 58 New
          +1
          The author had in mind the death of Plotnitsky's parents under unclear circumstances, presumably - mushroom poisoning
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      3. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 29 November 2017 11: 54 New
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        You probably didn’t read further than these words
      4. Primoos
        Primoos 29 November 2017 19: 50 New
        +1
        The oath is not given to the "leader", but to the people! In a normal state. And Plotnitsky personally, no one swore allegiance. And any other who has arisen in his place, too, should not swear.
    2. Vend
      Vend 27 November 2017 09: 49 New
      +7
      For what it was done we will soon understand. For some reason, it seems to me that there will be a further union of the LPR and the DPR. If my memory serves me, Plotnitsky refused to join.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 27 November 2017 07: 25 New
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    Roman, what do you say on this ... also go to the SBU of Ukraine threw ... with all due respect, I disagree with you that Plotnitsky is a fluffy and white bunny with an uncleaned biography.

    The soldiers of the Lugansk Batman battalion directly accuse Plotnitsky of organizing the murder of their commander. According to their version, Bednov and his fighters were destroyed "on the orders of Plotnitsky," because "an order was issued to clean up all irreconcilable commanders"

    And it is not surprising that Plotnitsky made so many enemies ... no one rushed to save him ... this is an indicator of his popularity in the LPR ... all this is sad ... so much work time and upside down.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 27 November 2017 07: 49 New
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      So it turns out that one gang has replaced another? And the project Novorossiya can be forgotten?
      If so, then it’s unfortunate ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 27 November 2017 08: 04 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        project Novorossia

        There was no this project.
        Unfortunately. But there wasn’t.
        They said to the freaks - wait .. not the time ... no, it was necessary to untwist the people.
        Now they get out request
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 27 November 2017 08: 16 New
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          And how to understand this ?:
          Consultations began in Moscow regarding the future of the people's republics. As we know, they will not insist on the return of Igor Plotnitsky to Lugansk. The leadership of Lugansk and Donetsk was offered the following power configuration - Oleg Tsarev at the head of a single republic (conditionally - New Russia, but perhaps a different name will be proposed, conditionally the project is called "Ukraine-2"). Prime Minister - Mykola Azarov. The power block (conditionally, the Ministry of Internal Affairs-MGB) will be proposed to be headed by Alexander Zakharchenko.

          Source: https://versia.ru/edinuyu-respubliku-predlozhat-v
          ozglavit-olegu-caryovu
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 27 November 2017 08: 19 New
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            Quote: Uncle Lee
            And how to understand this?

            Yes, just like that, he said already:
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Now they get out

            I just remember how all this crap was formed ... Putin then said softly ... guys - this is not the time.
            And someone got it there ...
            That's all for you LDNR ...
            Sorry for people, yes. But - you know ... "chose the heart," the campaign.
            And the brains turned off on ... in the end - "mayo, sho mayo"
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 27 November 2017 08: 24 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              guys - not the time.

              This was said about the referendum on joining Russia, and they held.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 27 November 2017 08: 28 New
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                Quote: Uncle Lee
                It was said about

                I am aware, "about what" it was said.
                I’m bullshit on GDP - in its place I would just swear dirty ... and he - like that, politely ...
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                and they spent

                Well, now they slurp a full spoon ...
                I repeat: people are sorry, but conditionally. I also once voted with my heart, yeah .. without further details, if possible ... it's dirty there
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 27 November 2017 08: 30 New
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  dirty there

                  We all hoped for the best .....
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 27 November 2017 10: 05 New
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                    Quote: Uncle Lee
                    We all hoped for the best .....

                    I repeat:
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Well, now they slurp a full spoon ...

                    Are you sorry for them? Yes.
                    But I already experienced this wink
                  2. Rey_ka
                    Rey_ka 27 November 2017 11: 41 New
                    0
                    We all hoped for the best .....

                    The road is lined with good intentions (you yourself know where) so seven feet under the keel and do not look back. Mankind is already so mired in an abomination that there is a way for us!
                2. michey
                  michey 29 November 2017 10: 54 New
                  +2
                  Yes, yes - well, the truth Putin promised to protect people, but that ... Take on the cancellation of the referendum was 3 days before the meeting)) But why should the guards remember this?))
              2. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 27 November 2017 09: 32 New
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                Quote: Uncle Lee
                This was said about the referendum on joining Russia, and they held.

                Spent yes having previously removed from the bulletin the clause on the republics becoming part of Russia.
                Putin objected to the original form of the questions proposed at the referendum, so he was sent to a meeting and a compromise was made.
                The item “we want to Russia” was removed, leaving only the critical point of sovereignty from Bandera Ukraine at that time.
                Well, at that moment, we could not justify the de facto situation that we do not want and cannot live in a single state with the Nazis.

                So now peck us for it ...



          2. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 27 November 2017 09: 02 New
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            Quote: Uncle Lee
            And how to understand this ?:

            Consultations began in Moscow regarding the future of the people's republics.


            Yes, various insinuations, there will be a sea. And from a generalized "buffoon", and from others who want to deliberately pathos to show their "awareness" and ability to analyze. Wait, it's not evening yet yes
        2. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 27 November 2017 08: 25 New
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          Quote: Golovan Jack
          They said to the freaks - wait .. not the time ... no, it was necessary to untwist the people.

          What to "untwist the people"? On the resistance of the junta, the ukronazists?
          Or, in your opinion, we should have silently accepted the coup, and the fascist regime imposed on
          parts of Ukraine occupied by Bandera?

          And who, after such statements, please?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 27 November 2017 10: 48 New
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            Quote: Separ DNR
            And who, after such statements, please?

            None. Calm .. word for word, something on the table ... passed, we know ... the patron’s patron leaves a lot, yeah wink
            Quote: Separ DNR
            Or, in your opinion

            No, not "in our" ...
            In your opinion, in Brazil ... ugh, damn it ... in Ukrainian style ...
            You don’t measure everything on yourself, people are not worth it that they called me from the Outskirts (there were friends, think !!!) and they soldered to me - "why did you attack us" ...
            The jaw on the floor is called.
            ---
            What they didn’t listen to the elders is why you are raking now.
            Right and blame are no longer there, of course ... everything, like, right ..
            But - guys, honestly - this is not my war, no ...
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 27 November 2017 10: 58 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              What they didn’t listen to the elders is why you are raking now.


              Your thought is clear. They wouldn’t declare independence, they would lie down under the junta, they would live on Vaterland ...

              Not our way. No.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 November 2017 14: 38 New
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                Quote: Separ DNR
                they’d lie under the junta, they would live on the terland ...

                Not this way. You do not understand ... then. And now they don’t understand.
                Therefore, you are played as pawns. Big and smart boys do it.
                And you are sorry, yes request
                1. michey
                  michey 29 November 2017 10: 55 New
                  +4
                  Well, it’s necessary, what understanding, teaching unreasonable people from Donbass who defend their choice with their blood.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 29 November 2017 11: 40 New
                    +9
                    In the case - have something to say?
                    No?
                    Mouth on the castle, and to my mother's side ...
                    Somehow request
                    1. michey
                      michey 29 November 2017 12: 17 New
                      +3
                      You have dyslexia and you are not able to understand what I said? sadly)))
                2. Astapan
                  Astapan 1 December 2017 18: 37 New
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                  Interestingly, would the referendum take place if the troops entered?
                  https://rutube.ru/video/fb3b211ab431e94b56924c390
                  7fa1962 /
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 27 November 2017 13: 44 New
        +7
        New Russia is not a project and it is impossible to close it. This is a historically developed territory, squeezed by us from the Tatars and Turks and populated from the inner provinces by the Russian population. And she hasn’t gone anywhere yet. Moreover, after centuries of oblivion, she is again by ear. As early as 13, this term would raise questions. Today, no one needs to explain what is meant by this word. And even dill in their programs say that these are areas culturally different from central and western Ukraine. Like Catalonia from Spain or Galicia from the rest of Ukraine. And this split is not going anywhere. And he will wait for his historical window of opportunity. Maybe soon, maybe in years. request
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 29 November 2017 06: 19 New
          0
          Depressed is some kind of criminal term. Conquered, freed.
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    3. Mikhail Zubkov
      Mikhail Zubkov 27 November 2017 14: 40 New
      +7
      Not the “cat down the drain”, but the “work time” won POLITICAL TIME. The 2014 RF model compared to the current one is like the T-55 and T-90. For 3 years! Crimea 2014 and Crimea 2017 are both the T-34 and T-72. For 4 years! Crimea became independent of dill water, electricity, gas, food, roads, communications, universities, industrial, market and resort prospects. With the launch of a bridge instead of ferries across the capricious Kerch Strait, FINAL withdrawal of Crimea from the control of ukronatsiks (they have been there since 1917 in real life) will be OBVIOUS to EVERYTHING. And Crimea was a PRIORITY, call it already, uncles, Cossacks, Luhansk ... Russia also helped you - but somehow you growled and whined on it anyway (whoever), and now keep these roaring-whining people for wise men, and then howl. It is as if you know all the internal and external troubles of the Russian Federation - but you do not know them in real life and 10%! The Strelkovites are residual, and this muddy fruit is still far from clear water! Your goal-slogan now (and 4 years ago) should have been the “Ukrainian Federation”, and not the mythical “Novorossia”, which actually was somewhere somewhere in the Odessa region ... So build now with DNR CIVIL STATE UKRAINIAN FEDERATION. You look, Mariupol and Odessa will catch up there, and Kharkov will be requested in the capital.
    4. Alber
      Alber 27 November 2017 15: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Roman, what do you say on this ... also go to the SBU of Ukraine threw ... with all due respect, I disagree with you that Plotnitsky is a fluffy and white bunny with an uncleaned biography.

      The soldiers of the Lugansk Batman battalion directly accuse Plotnitsky of organizing the murder of their commander. According to their version, Bednov and his fighters were destroyed "on the orders of Plotnitsky," because "an order was issued to clean up all irreconcilable commanders"

      And it is not surprising that Plotnitsky made so many enemies ... no one rushed to save him ... this is an indicator of his popularity in the LPR ... all this is sad ... so much work time and upside down.

      Thief! Where did you get such a face from? In the video, the soldiers directly accused him ...
      Is that why the honest guys of Dramov, Bednov, Brain were eliminated and Ishchenko seems to be the very first of them?
  3. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 27 November 2017 07: 25 New
    +6
    In general, the PMC Wagner was accused of the deaths of reputable LPR militia commanders. But whose will they carried out is a mystery? The Kremlin is still waiting for the putschets to leave in Kiev and the Donbass will return to the bosom of Ukraine. They still hope so, and with all four limbs repel from even the slightest incitement of the Russian people to unite. with Novorossia, and in general, in perspective with Ukraine. The wrong people are in power. So in the coming years, grief, tears and blood will pour.
  4. antivirus
    antivirus 27 November 2017 07: 47 New
    +3
    We are observing. Well, the process of bringing too. In May, the oath was taken, in November they spat on her. And the legally elected leader of that ... otmaydanili.

    is the oath of personal allegiance to the supreme commander indicated?
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 27 November 2017 08: 01 New
      +8
      Quote: antivirus
      is the oath of personal allegiance to the supreme commander indicated?

      I don’t know what oath you are writing about, but in the DPR armed forces, servicemen do not take the oath. No such procedure request
      And if the summarized talk about military oath as a binding document, of course, not about any personal devotion komub there was no question.

      Unless, of course, the oath is not prescribed under the dictator of some sort of banana republic.
      Neither the DNI, nor the LC, are not.
    2. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 27 November 2017 12: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: antivirus
      is the oath of personal allegiance to the supreme commander indicated?

      I think that there is indicated the obligation to defend the "constitution of the LPR", where the procedure for changing the government should be spelled out.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 27 November 2017 07: 53 New
    +1
    As stated in one Soviet film: Everything is calm in Baghdad ... laughing
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    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 27 November 2017 09: 39 New
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      Quote: Good Zusul
      By the way, do not remember what Putin said about the referendum? Listened to him - Toad and Zakharchenko?

      I substantiated above how the interest of the Russian Federation was taken into account (in the context of “Putin’s request”), and why we Could NOT hold referendum.

      I agree with the rest yes

      And here it is:
      Quote: Good Zusul
      .Roma, you wrote * all this * for denyuzhki or to show that you * wise *?
      laughing laughing laughing
    2. shura7782
      shura7782 27 November 2017 10: 24 New
      +9
      Quote: Good Zusul
      What is the novel you wrote? ...........

      What do we collectively have here? In a different sequence, to put it mildly, culturally expressed, incompetence, stuffing, pampering, etc., etc.
      Article minus.
    3. domokl
      domokl 30 November 2017 15: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Good Zusul
      .How did you visit us in the Donbass?

      Skomorokhov is why it is in the Peacekeeper's database. Check, be surprised. And Plotnitsky, as far as I know, he knows personally, as he interviewed him almost immediately after being elected head of the republic.
  7. 23rus
    23rus 27 November 2017 08: 39 New
    0
    That sho there to argue. One trip ended, they sent another.
  8. nakhtigalsif
    nakhtigalsif 27 November 2017 08: 56 New
    +3
    Well, it’s clear that the matter is dark. You can’t do without half a liter. drinks
  9. Good Zsul
    Good Zsul 27 November 2017 10: 00 New
    +5
    Quote: Separ DNR
    why we could NOT hold a referendum.

    And I wrote earlier that the referendum was for ....... they promised a social card, and for the most part the people tumbled down ... When you want to eat, and carrots in the face, many have their brains turned off ...
    Separ DNR - we will be New Russia, one republic drinks
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 27 November 2017 10: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: Good Zusul
      And I wrote earlier that the referendum was for ....... they promised a social card, and for the most part the people tumbled down ... When you want to eat, and carrots in the face, many have their brains turned off ...
      Separ DNR - we will be New Russia, one republic


      Stop it! stop The slogan: "we will be Novorossia, one republic", will not brainwash me ...
      Say "I want to eat"? "Promised cards"?
      LIES! LIES and PROVOCATION!
      At the time of the referendum (May 11, 2014), there were NO interruptions in food, not receiving cash, nor a “take-off” of food prices. With rare exceptions, it is possible somewhere in the database zone, and there were still few such places at that time to speak of such "facts."
      Moreover, the banking system of Ukraine in the form of Oschadbank with a network of ATMs in most of the territory of the DPR worked on November 2014 ...

      But in ukroSMI, the massive participation in the referendum (and its results) was precisely due to the fact that "hungry, driven by separatists and terrorists to despair, voted" for potatoes " yes
      1. Good Zsul
        Good Zsul 27 November 2017 10: 55 New
        +6
        Come on? Seriously? Old people, as well as not young people, didn’t stand for the sake of * referendum * to get social cards? People did not talk about New Russia? Where are you from? I was in Alchevsk at that time and sometimes I call back ... And I saw a bunch of people standing and talking about cards .. wink Separ DNR - at the entrance of the Mozgovoy militia to Alchevsk, we didn’t already have ATMs working .... And were the prices for the products the same as before?
        And if you want it or not, everything goes to one republic)))) And your * STOP * will not help ...
        Do you want to hear my opinion? I would never have taken the Donbass to Russia, never ... But back to Ukraine, it is fraught with consequences for many ....
        Psi --- I agree for ukroSMI, but the local is no better .. Won- Ukraine is already freezing, swelling with hunger, everything is falling, they have no money, prices are rising .... It's funny .....
        .To make you understand --- I hate the Ukrainian government and part of the Ukrainian people from among the pan-legged and creatures .....
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 27 November 2017 11: 13 New
          +8
          Quote: Good Zusul
          And your * STOP * won't help ...

          “Stop,” stop it pouring.
          But there were no "cards" in the DPR. This is obviously yours, a "purely LNR" invention. But for what?
          After all, EVEN if the ATMs did not work in a single Alchevsk, then the money could be withdrawn without problems in a neighboring city. And pensions were accrued and granted.
          I repeat: It was not a big problem to withdraw money, mines and other enterprises worked less stable, the militia as a rule did not interfere in their work.
          “Privat bank” of Kalomoy only was demolished and that’s all ... Well, a bit of Akhmetov was “pinched” ...
          And prices did not rise, and there were no interruptions.

          To make it clearer, in the month of June our company was transferred from Privat cards to oschad.
          В I N N E.
          1. Good Zsul
            Good Zsul 27 November 2017 13: 54 New
            +2
            Dear DNR-pensions were terminated in July 2014, before there was NO MONEY in ATMs! The militia did not intervene in the work? Hey, DNR, worry ... I put Alchevsky’s eye on the metallurgical plant, uncles came from Russia ......... Plotnitsky tried too, he explained it very well ... he wasn’t in Alchevsk anymore. So you still get Akhmetov’s help ... you’re the DPR)))) You don’t have to pretend that you are right and write the truth - I don’t care about DPR, that LPR don’t care ..... Now I know the price of human friendship, brotherhood peoples, * humanity * and * mercy * .... And yet, I saw what I saw EXACTLY With My Eyes ... different articles, rumors and * in secret * is not for me ...
            PiSi - I write for the LNR, your DNI is of little interest to me ...... But one republic would be good ....
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 28 November 2017 07: 57 New
              +6
              Quote: Good Zusul
              So you still get Akhmetov’s help ... you are the DNI))))

              At all fool ?
        2. Mik13
          Mik13 27 November 2017 15: 31 New
          +5
          Quote: Good Zusul
          Come on? Seriously? Old people, as well as not young people, didn’t stand for the sake of * referendum * to get social cards? People did not talk about New Russia? Where are you from? I was in Alchevsk at that time and sometimes I call back ... And I saw a bunch of people standing and talking about cards ..
          What you write is an outright lie. No “social cards” were discussed. Everyone perceived the referendum as the first stage of the "Crimean scenario" in relation to the Donbass.
          1. Good Zsul
            Good Zsul 27 November 2017 16: 14 New
            +4
            Yes, I’m not going to prove it personally to you or anyone .... You tell your Happatriotic statements to those who have not been here ... You, dear, you see the young one and still do not understand what Crimea is and most importantly Sevastopol and what Donbass is for Russia ))) About the Crimean scenario, tell grandparents the level is just for them ...
            ONCE AGAIN, THE REFERENDUM HAS PASSED (IN 90% OF CASES) because of a promise to give social cards to the people .... Once again I write, the people of the LPR and the DPR cannot be taken into Russia !!! These are not Russians, these are Russians with a Ukrainian mentality! Whoever saw in Russia, Russian * refugees * will understand what I am writing about)))) ... I saw these * refugees * and their ambitions in Krasnodar ...
            1. Mik13
              Mik13 28 November 2017 07: 07 New
              +4
              Quote: Good Zusul
              Yes, I’m not going to prove to you personally or to anyone ....

              Of course you’re not going to. It would be strange if the next "officer daughter" could prove something.
              Quote: Good Zusul
              You tell your Urpatriotic statements to those who were not here ...
              You see, Good Zusul, the fact is that I was just in Donetsk during the referendum. Actually, I haven’t left the DPR since 2014 of the year.
              And what you are telling is some kind of nuclear nonsense, which is not confirmed either by my personal experience or the stories of my colleagues.
              Therefore, I directly declare to you - you are frankly lying.
              Quote: Good Zusul
              Once again I write, the people of the LPR and the DNI can not be taken into Russia !!! These are not Russians, these are Russians with a Ukrainian mentality!
              Petr Alekseevich, log in! If in such an ambiguous way you decide to fight for the territorial integrity of Ukraine, then this is an unsuccessful way. Previously, you had to think.
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        3. VadimSt
          VadimSt 27 November 2017 23: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: Good Zusul
          Come on? Seriously? Old people, as well as not young people, didn’t stand for the sake of * referendum * to get social cards?
          People found out about the cards in our LPR when they were near the ballot box - "go to that table ...."!
          1. Good Zsul
            Good Zsul 30 November 2017 15: 41 New
            0
            in Alchevsk, for a few days they talked about cards .. The whole city was buzzing ----- freebie
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 November 2017 10: 04 New
    0
    Interestingly, with slight amendments to supposedly independence, the Russian form.
  11. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 November 2017 12: 15 New
    +3
    To fight for a good and just cause is not a sin, but a great privilege. But to be a member of the clan squabbles in the war of the Scarlet and White Roses ... request
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  13. evantropov
    evantropov 27 November 2017 13: 02 New
    +7
    Bullshit ...
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  17. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 27 November 2017 13: 08 New
    +7
    Harmful author with harmful claims to understanding processes. He does not look and see beyond his nose or yard - and does not want to see. A military regime or military rule anywhere is a forced emergency and, in any case, a TEMPORAL COMPROMITATION OF THE IDEA OF NORMAL STATE.
  18. Ilya Markelov
    Ilya Markelov 27 November 2017 13: 09 New
    +2
    The wording “legally elected” is simply ridiculous when, as the very existence of the republics is illegal, from the point of view of Russia and all other countries, no one recognized them, therefore, what elections did they pass by Ukrainian laws? No. Russian? Also no, Plotnitsky cannot be "legally elected." From the point of view of the law, they are illegal armed groups on the territory of Ukraine, informal heads of unrecognized republics.
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  20. brats
    brats 27 November 2017 13: 10 New
    +3
    No article, no discussion, solid stuffing of purposeful Russophobia and vice versa. To check, I threw a couple of articles on the topic of super-efficient development options. Where there ...
  21. Santor
    Santor 27 November 2017 13: 30 New
    10
    But in general, just a coup. One gang changed the other. Local security officials removed the Kremlin henchman.

    Here is this one phrase that says that the author either didn’t learn to understand or cunning ....

    In Lugansk, Russia simply turned everything into a manual control mode. Point. The beekeeper is a strong man who, even under Ukraine, drove both smugglers and covered crime channels. The rest is staged and fiction ... This is how it is possible, without any practical information besides blabbering on the Internet and the media, to rivet such huge articles ...

    Well, the reality - it’s different .. There were two villages that occupied the APU, which by the way were abandoned — some pensioners eked out a miserable existence .... And immediately they sent doctors and food .. And grandparents were on camera - well, finally liberators came, our, native Ukrainian army ... In tyrnete you can write anything and pull on anything ....

    But the reality is different .. All this crap started with a completely different sauce - they say today we will vote, tomorrow we have Russian troops, everything is in the Crimea and we are in chocolate on Russian salaries and pensions, and we blew twist Ukraine. But it turns out that freedom must be won .. And let the suckers do it ... For some reason I’m sure that such a picture will be everywhere in the villages ... And in Donetsk and in Lugansk. Do not flatter yourself with pictures from the Internet.

    Putin realized before everyone that how much a wolf doesn’t feed, he will be hungry and will look into the forest. And so I decided to chop off that long-term financial and other stream from which both the elite and the population of Nezalezhnaya fed ... But still there are people who angrily yell that they supposedly shamed Ukraine, ..

    Cho, you had to shove more money into this breakthrough? And so the familiar ottel mocked that we pay for your gas several times less than you are there in Russia. The circus continues ...
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  22. Mikhail Anokhin
    Mikhail Anokhin 27 November 2017 13: 30 New
    0
    All right! One gang has replaced another! In general, our bitch children!
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    1. michey
      michey 29 November 2017 11: 02 New
      +3
      It seems to me that this comrade is not at all comrade to us)))
  24. Oleg Tolstoy
    Oleg Tolstoy 27 November 2017 14: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    project Novorossia

    There was no this project.
    Unfortunately. But there wasn’t.
    They said to the freaks - wait .. not the time ... no, it was necessary to untwist the people.
    Now they get out request


    Shooters, who started all this among the first, took a portrait of Putin from the red corner and hid him behind a cupboard. And now he calls his former Leader of the Nation: “Mr. hi ... The flowers of the Russian spring have withered! love Everything, as always, is made by idealists, but by its fruits, rascals!
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    1. domokl
      domokl 30 November 2017 15: 20 New
      0
      laughing An unexpected statement under the article of this expert ...
  26. 1536
    1536 27 November 2017 15: 15 New
    +2
    And then the Americans with their "peacekeepers" stuck like a bath sheet to one place.
    That would be a "good" wizard, if he would geographically spend a week a beautiful Ukraine instead of Canada or Mexico on the US borders, I wonder what would the "special representative" of the Americans say? Only in this case, we would hardly have seen this “special representative” in the next decade, or at some ranch in the Midwest, would have been met by his casual journalists retired.
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  28. Bind
    Bind 27 November 2017 21: 03 New
    0
    Instead of carefully reading what is written, they begin to be rude in the comments. So who are you gentlemen comrades?
    All of their disassembly is also very disgusting to me. Do you think they are over? I don’t believe it anymore.
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  29. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 28 November 2017 09: 23 New
    +1
    Power is always in demand in any state, even in a self-proclaimed one. It’s not always that ideological people fighting for the people's good fall into power. There are few real violent people, and there are no leaders.
  30. Eurodav
    Eurodav 28 November 2017 12: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: brats
    Military Review - in general, Russophobian for the very tomato resource is already disgusting. And no ILV sees anything.

    Well, why doesn’t he see? Justify what Russophobia is, indicate the facts - we will make it so that not only they will see ...
  31. Eurodav
    Eurodav 28 November 2017 12: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Tolstoy
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    project Novorossia

    There was no this project.
    Unfortunately. But there wasn’t.
    They said to the freaks - wait .. not the time ... no, it was necessary to untwist the people.
    Now they get out request


    Shooters, who started all this among the first, took a portrait of Putin from the red corner and hid him behind a cupboard. And now he calls his former Leader of the Nation: “Mr. hi ... The flowers of the Russian spring have withered! love Everything, as always, is made by idealists, but by its fruits, rascals!

    Okay, you haven’t lost everything yet; God willing, everything will be formed!
  32. AleBors
    AleBors 29 November 2017 12: 14 New
    0
    So who would argue. Just replacing the snout at the trough occurred. Just do not believe that this action was not agreed with Moscow.
  33. Skhidnyak
    Skhidnyak 29 November 2017 19: 13 New
    +3
    Very unpleasant article and offensive. And the statement "... It is clear that Plotnitsky is to blame (as the first person), but nevertheless, in practice he did not have any instruments of influence, except for personal protection ..." a masterpiece of journalism. How to connect "... It is clear that Plotnitsky is to blame for everything ..." and "... he did not have any instruments of influence ...", the impression is that these are fragments of two different thoughts.
    "... They told the freaks - wait .. not the time ... not, it was necessary to untwist the people. Now they’re getting out ..." You know, when armed people of the Armed Forces of Armed Forces type), who promise to wipe you to dust, stand from your house in 3 ... 5 km, somehow it thinks differently. You really call the master.
    1. domokl
      domokl 30 November 2017 15: 24 New
      +1
      You are recently online. Because they do not know what the old-timers know. The author is well aware of how it is at the front and it is precisely for this that he has long been located in the Ukrainian Peacemaker ... And it’s hard to frighten him with mines or bullets ...
  34. avaks111
    avaks111 29 November 2017 20: 25 New
    0
    The genre is something sucked out of a finger! Maybe so, or maybe not. These are the author’s assumptions about what is happening. Only insiders are supposed to know about the present and future, that the articles are not written and the public are not informed!
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  37. Vladimir Pupkin
    Vladimir Pupkin 30 November 2017 12: 00 New
    +1
    And what kind of democracies does the author want in conditions of martial law? Is it all liberals? I would understand his claims if border posts stood on the demarcation line and under them served the PV FSB FS service (as in Armenia, etc.). Then the question would be logical - why do you have no democracy in the quiet rear? the author would have gone on a campaign (if he had been there then) in October 1941, sitting in Moscow (preparing to leave for Tashkent?) and looking at German troops through binoculars, would have complained about the absence of, you know, civil liberties :-)
    1. domokl
      domokl 30 November 2017 15: 30 New
      +1
      And what do you know about the author? The old-timers of the site then, in 14-m, it was through Skomorokhova that the Ghost was helped. And not bad help. Have you been there? Maybe carpenter personally know? Or Brain knew? And you transported the men to the Russian hospital in your car? Well, well ... Get up the huge sofa (I) ....
      1. Skhidnyak
        Skhidnyak 30 November 2017 21: 43 New
        +3
        Well, even if I were there under mines and didn’t take my sister to the hospital — she died and buried a neighbor’s boy (I closed the banner in reconnaissance, saved the group, and my son still had a sucker), and he buried his father-in-law because there was no water, no light, no heat, and he had cancer and was already lying when it all started.
        And what helped, thanks for that and a deep bow.
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  41. ™ Ramzes ™
    ™ Ramzes ™ 1 December 2017 12: 48 New
    +2
    The author's last name speaks for itself .... Clown. Analit sofa ...
  42. John kane
    John kane 1 December 2017 13: 50 New
    +1
    And do not need fairy tales on the topic that Donbass is not Ukraine. Geographically today - yes, not Ukraine. As for people - that’s another question.

    And what is the manifestation of this Ukrainians in people? booing geek? so half of the south of Russia Ukrainians then
    People with a dick of 3 years prove that they are not Ukrainians, and if the author is blind, then this is his problem
    And the article is generally stupid and provocative, like, don’t care what’s going on there by and large, if only quietly
  43. Yeti
    Yeti 1 December 2017 18: 40 New
    0
    What is this speech for? Whether it is necessary to return to Ukraine. Toli Trolling Russians for recognition and accession to Russia. Neither one nor the other will be in the near future. Until the situation in Ukraine is resolved, Donbass is appointed Anti-Ukraine. Nobody will give up anyone. But steps such as recognition of passports will be used mainly to put pressure on Ukraine.
  44. serj.iwanow1000
    serj.iwanow1000 2 December 2017 18: 58 New
    +2
    Get up our ancestors
    Great heroes of the USSR!
    Drop you leftovers
    Oligarchic systems ...

    Save Holy Russia
    From crooks, thieves!
    Sword free
    From the enemy fetters!

    Rise, win
    Nazism's evil dregs,
    Lead to victory
    Holy essence of Russia!

    You give us faith back
    To a free better world!
    And wake the memory
    Interrupting the bloody feast!

    Stop the feud
    The nations are all around!
    And reconcile us all
    Breaking the Nazi spirit!

    Get up, hero of the Soviets,
    The people are calling you!
    To the battle with Nazi power
    Lead us forward!

    May the noble banner
    Stalin's regiments
    Again leads to victory
    Over the greed of the "wolves"!
  45. Warfi
    Warfi 3 December 2017 06: 50 New
    0
    How did this cheap article get to my previously respected site?
  46. Midshipman-53
    Midshipman-53 3 December 2017 12: 59 New
    0
    Easy tradition, but hard to believe. All that the author writes is a flight of delusional imagination! In Russian, just nonsense.