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Expert: "extra" people on board the Argentine submarine could not cause overload

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The representative of the intelligence of the Argentine Navy, two combat swimmers and four other non-crew members of the San Juan submarine, unidentified persons, could not create overload and sink the submarine with their weight, RIA News the comment of the deputy chief editor of the magazine of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation "Warrior of Russia", Captain First Rank Vasily Dandykin




Earlier on Sunday, the brother of one of the officers of the missing San Juan submarine reported that instead of the full-time 37 crew members, there were 44 people on board, and the extra seven were not submariners. Among them were two combat swimmers from the Argentine Navy special forces Buzos tacticos, as well as an employee naval intelligence. A relative of the submariner received this information from the wife of a scout who went to sea aboard the San Juan.

The Argentine naval intelligence officer, two combat swimmers, and four other non-standard unidentified persons could not create an overload and sink "San Juan" by mass of their bodies,
said the expert.

According to him, "this is a common practice for all the fleets of the world equipped with submarines, when different people in excess of the crew’s crew take to the sea on submarines."

It may be representatives of higher headquarters, science, industry, non-staff priests, military journalists. In the strong hull of a nuclear submarine, for example, the second crew can also board the inter-fleet transition. Of course, the staff members of the team have to make room
explained Dandykin.

He noted that everyone who goes to sea aboard a submarine undergo appropriate, “in particular, light diving training.”

These are not passengers, but profile specialists who are prepared for scuba diving. Boats almost never go out only with a regular crew on board. They were originally designed to accept additional people and non-staff property,
said the expert.

In his opinion, the Argentine intelligence officer aboard the San Juan “was hardly worth sharing information with his relatives about the details of his trip.”

And the wife of the intelligence officer, I believe, should not share official information with people who pass it on to news agencies,
added Dandykin.

Recall, the Argentine Navy submarine ship San Juan stopped communicating on November 15 communications at the transition from the Ushuaia naval base to Mar del Plata.
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  1. 1331M
    1331M 26 November 2017 10: 27
    +7
    It doesn’t matter anymore - rest in Peace, Sailors ............
    1. Maz
      Maz 26 November 2017 10: 31
      +1
      But they could lay a charge of explosives, damage the control system, and other other things.
      1. Department-M19
        Department-M19 26 November 2017 10: 51
        +5
        Yes, 100% Anglo-Saxons drowned it ...
        1. Evgenx
          Evgenx 26 November 2017 11: 13
          +2
          Main question! Why did this unaccounted team gather? And then, who needed to eliminate them.
          1. DEPARTMENT-M22
            DEPARTMENT-M22 26 November 2017 12: 23
            +1
            Quote: Evgenx
            Main question! Why did this unaccounted team gather? And then, who needed to eliminate them.

            And just like that, and our “Kursk” was the same thing, like, “they forgot who to be afraid of ..”
            Anglo-Saxons flooded the submarine and ours will not be allowed to pick it up and inspect ..
            That's all!
      2. Chever
        Chever 26 November 2017 11: 24
        +5
        Quote: Maz
        But they could lay a charge of explosives, damage the control system, and other other things.

        Yeah. And self-cut with the submarine. Did I miss anything in your "version"? No.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 26 November 2017 11: 20
      +2
      Well, if a couple of tons of drugs are not found on this boat. hi
  2. Jedi
    Jedi 26 November 2017 10: 31
    +9
    They stir up something around this submarine ... Apparently, they are trying to hide the real causes of death ... negative
    1. novel66
      novel66 26 November 2017 10: 35
      +7
      it’s necessary to find, otherwise all the conversations are empty, if only we would go to a fortuneteller
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 26 November 2017 10: 37
        +5
        I agree, because too many speculate on the topic of this tragedy.
        1. Going
          Going 26 November 2017 18: 04
          +8
          It’s hard for us to judge, according to those pieces of information, anything could have been there, and the number of speculations is going through the roof.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 26 November 2017 18: 29
            +4
            It doesn't leave me feeling that not everything in this story is smooth ...
            1. Going
              Going 26 November 2017 20: 51
              +7
              Maxim, intuition has never failed, there is a striped shadow and they are scurrying about.
            2. Orionvit
              Orionvit 27 November 2017 00: 08
              +1
              Quote: Jedi
              It doesn't leave me feeling that not everything in this story is smooth.

              Here are some unaccounted for people on board. They don’t know who went to sea on a combat submarine?
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 27 November 2017 00: 10
          +1
          Quote: Jedi
          too many speculate on this tragedy

          We are here on the forum, we do not have political dividends from various speculations. Everyone expresses his opinion. And probably almost everyone is interested in what really happened.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 27 November 2017 08: 23
            +2
            Quote: Orionvit
            We are here on the forum, we do not have political dividends from various speculations.

            And I did not mean forum users mean. yes
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 26 November 2017 13: 02
      +5
      Quote: Jedi
      Something muddied around this submarine ...

      Max,
      hi
      Well, what stir up ....
      Even the best equipment requires qualified care by a qualified crew. This is achieved by daily training, exercises, checks of the state of the combat and material and technical units. To learn submariners is a long and troublesome business. And for all three things are needed - money, money and, once again, money.
      There have been many cases in the history of the submarine fleet when a banal failure of an essentially uncomplicated ballast system led to tragedy: from jamming the plugs (flaps) of the outboard water intake valve in the “open” position when immersed, to losing power to the ballast system pumps, including the emergency ascent system / immersion.
      And, if the submarine plunged to a depth when the outboard water pressure is ABOVE the capabilities of the ballast system pumps, or if the pump capacities are not enough, but to pump water from the ballast systems for other reasons, the boat will remain on the ground.
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 26 November 2017 13: 05
        +3
        Ilyich, welcome! hi Thanks for the explanation, otherwise I’m not a sailor myself, but there’s nobody to tell ...
      2. rudolff
        rudolff 26 November 2017 14: 20
        +4
        What is another seawater intake valve plug? What are you talking about? Seawater enters the ballast tanks through kingstones or scuppers located at the bottom of the tanks. Scuppers do not close at all, just holes. Seawater begins to flow after opening the ventilation valve in the upper part of the tank. Now, if this ventilation valve fails, then yes, this is a problem. In this case, there are emergency flaps, which, in addition to hydraulic ones, also have a manual drive.
        Tanks are purged with high pressure air. For emergency ascent to the submarine, there is an untouchable (command) reserve of the VVD. On modern boats, emergency purging of ballast tanks can also be carried out by powder charges.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 26 November 2017 17: 34
          +4
          Quote: rudolff
          What is another seawater intake valve plug?

          Quote: stalkerwalker
          There have been many cases in the history of the submarine fleet

          This is from the history of 1 World.
          Quote: rudolff
          Now, if this ventilation valve fails, then yes, this is a problem. In this case, there are emergency flaps, which, in addition to hydraulic ones, also have a manual drive.

          Are you a ship mechanic? So I'm a boatmaster.
          Quote: sir_obs
          According to rumors, the depth in that place 200m, which is the pressure in the system in 400kg, is enough to purge.

          This is rumored.
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 26 November 2017 18: 23
            +4
            I also have a basic navigator, then I passed it on tolerances. But what we are talking about now is the very basics - TUZH PL.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 26 November 2017 22: 33
              +3
              Quote: rudolff
              I have a basic navigator too

              And where is this?
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 26 November 2017 20: 57
            +3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Are you a ship mechanic? So I'm a boatmaster.

            Stalker, do not be offended! You are a boatmaster, and Rudolph is a submariner, SEC! It turns out that my colleague is a navigator in girlhood ... drinks
            If the upper deck hatch has never been lifted over your head, you should not argue with those who were admitted to the SOUP PL ... yes
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 26 November 2017 21: 41
              +3
              Boa buddy, so I told you! The third navigational faculty of VVMUPP Lenkoma. And he started with KENG, as it should be.
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 26 November 2017 22: 36
              +3
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Stalker, do not be offended!

              No one is offended ... And I, including ....
              I outlined the problem to the best of my knowledge, obtained both during an internship in Sevastopol in the 1985-m on the 641-th Buki, and in the process of operating marine vessels from the navigation bridge.
              I'm really calm like a boa constrictor ... laughing
              drinks
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 26 November 2017 22: 39
                +2
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                I'm really calm like a boa constrictor.

                Also say that affectionate and gentle, and live by the principle - "Hugging, suffocate!" bully
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 26 November 2017 22: 40
                  +3
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  you live by the principle - "Hugging, suffocate!"

                  Sometimes you have to ...
                  wassat
      3. sir_obs
        sir_obs 26 November 2017 14: 30
        +1
        To remove water from ballast tanks, pumps are not needed. It is squeezed out by high pressure air. The actuators of all valves have a manual drive to emergencyly emerge, electricity is not needed at all.
        The main thing is not to fall to the extreme depths when the overboard pressure is greater than the air pressure in the VVD system.
        According to rumors, the depth in that place 200m, which is the pressure in the system in 400kg, is enough to purge.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 26 November 2017 21: 04
          +2
          Quote: sir_obs
          The main thing is not to fall to the extreme depths when the overboard pressure is greater than the air pressure in the VVD system.

          The main thing is that the AZ does not fall, or the AB has enough capacity to carry out the command: “Nasal for ascent, forward full!” (I believe that the command “Bubble in the nose!” Has already been filed and the commander’s group of VVD cylinders is already “pushing” ) on an atomic carrier - the main supply of steam to the turbine, so that the body works like a wing ... And then the seconds seem like minutes, minutes like hours ...
          God save and save!
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 27 November 2017 00: 18
          0
          Quote: sir_obs
          a pressure of 400 kg in the system is enough to purge.

          So simple? Have you ever worked with high pressure? 400 kg, this is not so much on the one hand, but dofiga on the other.
  3. san4es
    san4es 26 November 2017 10: 33
    +5
    the extra seven people were not submariners.

    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 26 November 2017 11: 46
      +3
      san4es Today, 10: 33

      Etc. good ... there could be such a thing, although it is unlikely that "not a specialist" will be allowed to use mechanisms ...
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 27 November 2017 00: 04
        +6
        this could be, although it is unlikely that "not a specialist" will be allowed to mechanisms

        How to prevent it when there are only mechanisms around. request
        - Fasten belts! Immersed!
        - Lyova, why then belts? Are we not on the plane?
        - And so that people like you do not hang around the toilets and do not touch anything with your hands! (with) good
  4. askort154
    askort154 26 November 2017 10: 39
    +4
    "Extra" people on board.... Oh, what kind of "bread" for the jackals of the media.
  5. Fedorov
    Fedorov 26 November 2017 10: 41
    +5
    two combat swimmers and four other unidentified persons not included in the team of the San Juan submarine could not create overload and sink the submarine

    Congenial conclusion. Experts damn ...
    And still there a giant squid was screwed on a screw, And a couple of sperm whales arranged a sexual orgy on the wheelhouse, preventing it from surfacing.
    An abnormal situation - a fire, FIG knows what else, I think the guys died .. sad
  6. izya top
    izya top 26 November 2017 10: 50
    +3
    and what clever man put forward such a version? belay overload what but...
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist 26 November 2017 10: 51
    +4
    Quote: Maz
    But they could lay a charge of explosives, damage the control system, and other other things.

    You want to say that the "emergency contingent" from kamikaze? Some of the unidentified ones got bored of living, and he decided to kill others too?
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 26 November 2017 11: 08
    +1
    In the sea, anything can happen: explosion of an accumulator battery, "screwed up" the system of air registration system, low-quality products. Until you find a boat, you can guess and guess. I recommend everyone to read Mormul's book "Underwater Disasters" there are many accidents described. Or an anecdotal story with the Russian submarine AL12? In the spring of 1917 the boat went to sea, and the cook "went through" the day before and opened the hatch, perhaps I wanted to ventilate?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 26 November 2017 11: 46
      +3
      Quote: Monarchist
      Or anecdotal story

      Namesake, sorry, what's the story?
  9. P-140
    P-140 26 November 2017 11: 10
    +2
    An unnamed expert must also be quoted.
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 November 2017 11: 22
    +1
    Maybe they weren’t weighing bodies, but they screwed something up there, or turned it in the wrong direction? ?? recourse When they find and raise the boat, then we may find out the truth!
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 27 November 2017 00: 24
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Maybe they weren’t weighing bodies, but they screwed something up there, or turned it in the wrong direction?

      Probably. There are both “unaccounted passengers” and a woman in a carriage, in a team position (with all due respect, this is not a woman’s business). The notorious "human factor". "Playful" pens, or just a mistake.
      1. novel66
        novel66 27 November 2017 10: 27
        +3
        something, opened the window?
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 27 November 2017 19: 21
          0
          Quote: novel xnumx
          something, opened the window?

          And who knows. As they find, we will find out. I hope so.
          1. novel66
            novel66 27 November 2017 20: 25
            +3
            sure to find out!
  11. navy33
    navy33 26 November 2017 11: 24
    +3
    Rest in peace. And in my heart I hope that the guys will be saved.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2017 13: 42
      +1
      They have already run out of oxygen in 11 days.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2017 13: 47
      +2
      And if the crew were alive, they would have released an emergency buoy in the event of an accident, and it turns out that the impact on the boat was instantly destructive.
  12. Xaron-a
    Xaron-a 26 November 2017 11: 41
    0
    Sluggishly illuminate the topic of how to search for submarines ...
  13. nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP 26 November 2017 11: 46
    +1
    It is surprising that they reported about 44 people on board the Argentine Navy only today ...
    But the media of various kinds speak of the same 44 people, if not from the 15th day, then certainly a week ....
  14. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 26 November 2017 12: 15
    0
    sad Just speculation. What are psychics silent? Would say something ...
  15. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 November 2017 12: 27
    0
    Expert: "extra" people on board the Argentine submarine could not cause overload

    ... here, and without an “expert” it is clear that such a slight overload will not affect the seaworthiness of the boat ... it’s not an inflatable, and it’s not any kind ...
  16. sir_obs
    sir_obs 26 November 2017 14: 38
    +2
    they transported a herd of elephants or what? What kind of people can disturb stability? What yes stupidity, again homegrown "experts" carry a blizzard.
    When the boat goes to the running gear for repair, there are more factory people on it than the crew.
  17. Wolka
    Wolka 26 November 2017 14: 46
    0
    perhaps quite cynical, or maybe the boat did not sink at all, but washed off quietly initiating its death, the only question is why and where it will appear ...
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 26 November 2017 17: 11
    0
    Quote: Evgenx
    Main question! Why did this unaccounted team gather? And then, who needed to eliminate them.

    Such a composition of “extra” people can talk about a possible operation either by landing someone on some coast, carrying out a sabotage, underwater searching for something (someone), or taking “guests” on board. winked