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Polish Air Force refuses Soviet aircraft

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The Polish Ministry of Defense is looking for new fighters in the Harpia program. According to the portal defence-blog.com, the Polish Defense Ministry officially announced the launch of a tender for the purchase of new combat aircraft.


Poland requires new multi-purpose combat aircraft that will enhance the ability of the Air Force to perform tasks in the context of offensive and defensive battles, as well as to support ground, sea and special operations
- The press service of the Ministry of Defense of Poland.

Polish Air Force refuses Soviet aircraft

MiG-29 Polish Air Force.


Earlier, the Polish Defense Ministry had already shown interest in the American F-16 and F-35 fighters. According to unofficial information, the Polish military are considering the possibility of purchasing F-16 from the US Army with their further modernization in Poland. In addition, there is the possibility of purchasing two squadrons of the latest fighter F-35 Lightning II.

The initial decision on the tender of the Polish Ministry of Defense plans to take before the end of 2018. New fighter aircraft should replace outdated Soviet MiG-29 and Su-22 aircraft, reports "Warspot"
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  1. Sofa General
    Sofa General 25 November 2017 14: 35
    +9
    Here in pshekia now all guano will merge ...
    1. Primoos
      Primoos 25 November 2017 14: 53
      27
      Two squadrons of badly flying F-35 for the price of the entire Polish budget. God help, flawed.
      1. sedoj
        sedoj 25 November 2017 15: 11
        +9
        Quote: Primoos
        Two squadrons of badly flying F-35 for the price of the entire Polish budget. God help, flawed

        Well, Duc, in 2002 Poland bought 23 MiG-29s from Germany for just one Eureka. Now they probably want to crank the same feint with their ears and from the USA.
        1. Primoos
          Primoos 25 November 2017 15: 38
          +7
          With pin.dos not a ride. These to the goal of the lords will undress and still force their hands to kiss.
        2. massad1
          massad1 26 November 2017 10: 59
          0
          and MiG where? Will dill be dill instead of disposal (although this is one and the same, in my opinion)?
          1. sedoj
            sedoj 26 November 2017 14: 34
            0
            They can give the Americans for exercise. In the 4477th Red Eagles Squadron, if it still exists.
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 25 November 2017 17: 28
        +5
        Well, that's normal. There will be a super deflection under the owner. The first deflection is the purchase of state LNG (and the states will buy it from us)))))).
    2. massad1
      massad1 26 November 2017 10: 52
      0
      Quote: Sofa General
      Here in pshekia now all guano will merge ...

      in a nutshell is the content of the article. F-35 pshekam will be sold as well as to the Turks laughing
  2. vovanpain
    vovanpain 25 November 2017 14: 36
    24
    They have long since abandoned the Soviet and the memory of who saved them from the Nazi occupation, too. yes
    1. Sofa General
      Sofa General 25 November 2017 14: 40
      10
      history has the property of repeating itself ... but our memory should not run dry. and if you do not come, God will again have to liberate Europe - you just need to remember who the Psheks are.
      1. Victor Dubovitsky
        Victor Dubovitsky 25 November 2017 14: 56
        +8
        Quote: Sofa General
        history has the property of repeating itself ... but our memory should not run dry. and if you do not come, God will again have to liberate Europe - you just need to remember who the Psheks are.

        Do not bring, if anything, we will not release. Irony tactical nuclear all in a row. For we no longer have enough to bury in their land in the name of liberation.
        1. Sofa General
          Sofa General 25 November 2017 14: 59
          +2
          Tactical nuclear is not an option - the territory will be badly polluted ... maybe it just burns out?
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 25 November 2017 15: 05
            10
            Quote: Sofa General
            Tactical nuclear is not an option - the territory will be badly polluted ... maybe it just burns out?

            And why do we need their territory, make a buffer zone and all business.
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          3. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 25 November 2017 17: 13
            +2
            Quote: Sofa General
            Tactical nuclear is not an option - the territory will be badly polluted ... maybe it just burns out?

            Long and expensive. And we don’t need the territory. Let mammoths breed on it. With three heads.
          4. dvina71
            dvina71 25 November 2017 23: 20
            +1
            Quote: Sofa General
            The area will be very dirty.

            And why in Hiroshima and Nagasaka not filthy? I already got this nonsense .. There will be no strong infection .. But there will be millions of hungry and sick people .. Where will they go?
            1. Roma 1977
              Roma 1977 26 November 2017 14: 35
              0
              In the direction of Schengen.
            2. Victor Dubovitsky
              Victor Dubovitsky 26 November 2017 14: 48
              0
              Quote: dvina71
              Quote: Sofa General
              The area will be very dirty.

              And why in Hiroshima and Nagasaka not filthy? I already got this nonsense .. There will be no strong infection .. But there will be millions of hungry and sick people .. Where will they go?

              Stay up to date. Then you will not write nonsense.
              The fact is that the infection there occurred as a result of the influence of others, by others. The corporations themselves are not guilty, Japanese, the government is not guilty. And the more sores shown to the whole world, the better. Reclaimed. Meters into the depths of the polluted earth pulled. Hundreds of thousands of tons were buried, but this place is clean. At the expense of America. And the result is EXACTLY CHIROSIMA there today is the cleanest zone. And nothing of his own, smoky and shitting there. MONUMENT.
              In any other place, at least in the same place in Japan, but the culprit in the SAMI-Fukushima disaster is the exact opposite. Here is concealment, here is an understatement, and all that everywhere is in the USSR, in England, in the USA. Do you understand the difference? So your example is the opposite of you.
          5. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 26 November 2017 23: 41
            0
            and what is there on this territory? almost all resources are exhausted ... apples? pschek?
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 25 November 2017 15: 28
          12
          A long time ago, in August 68, when our fighters disarmed the protection of the Prague Kremlin, Marshal Yakubovsky said something like - I did not think that Prague would have to be freed again. To which the captain, the commander of the deep reconnaissance company, replied - how many times will be needed, we will free so much. Both 1
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 November 2017 15: 55
        14
        and if you don’t come, the Lord will again have to free Europe
        For humor, you have already set up the pros. Who will be free? Boy Kolya under the command of the hero of the stool troops? Just do not tell me that not everyone is. Did you hang the Mannerheim board? And they took it off because the Limonovites did not let her hang quietly. Walled off the wall of sorrow? The hero who defeated the Union Center on folk money was beaten off? So do not fake a sofa patriot.
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        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 November 2017 18: 17
          +5
          Quote: Gardamir
          Who will be free? Boy Kolya under the command of the hero of the stool troops?

          In Syria now, too, the “Kolya boys” are fighting on stools?
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 25 November 2017 16: 17
        27
        I read and wonder! An article about old planes that they want to replace, and in the comments one threw a guano into the F-35, simultaneously coaxing his flight data, as if he personally launched them in his garden economy, the other threatens to “iron out with tactical nuclear weapons,” the third threatens to “burn everything out” ", the fourth" frees "Prague even ..... That's because of such and the level of the site over the past 3 years has fallen to impossibility!
        1. Victor Dubovitsky
          Victor Dubovitsky 25 November 2017 16: 44
          +7
          Quote: xetai9977
          I read and wonder! An article about old planes that they want to replace, and in the comments one threw a guano into the F-35, simultaneously coaxing his flight data, as if he personally launched them in his garden economy, the other threatens to “iron out with tactical nuclear weapons,” the third threatens to “burn everything out” ", the fourth" frees "Prague even ..... That's because of such and the level of the site over the past 3 years has fallen to impossibility!

          If you are not comfortable with the level of discussion, then is it time for you to think about creating your own site, and decide how to include participants there. By what principle and criteria?
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 25 November 2017 18: 01
            +1
            Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

            If you are not comfortable with the level of discussion, then is it time for you to think about creating your own site, and decide how to include participants there. By what principle and criteria?

            The principle is simple - Halva-Turkish delight.
          2. Black5Raven
            Black5Raven 25 November 2017 18: 38
            14
            Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
            If you are not comfortable with the level of discussion, then is it time for you to think about creating your own site

            They indicate that the site and its discussions have turned into a booth, a clean-up reserve and a venue for the wits to compete with cap-making, and the response is “get it first, then criticize”.
        2. hrych
          hrych 25 November 2017 18: 22
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          That's because of such and the level of the site over the past 3 years has fallen to impossibility!

          For starters, the Russian Federation is fighting, including the sanctions and information war with the West. Tension on the Western frontier is taking place, Iskander and nuclear artillery are indeed located in East Prussia, etc. threatens to iron out with tactical nuclear weapons and not a blogger, but our military-political leadership to burn everything out. In Syria, one Jewish F-35 was shot down, and the fact that it is flawed is said by their pilots and specialists, duplicating them in reviews is not a crime.
          1. Spike Javelin Touvich
            Spike Javelin Touvich 25 November 2017 19: 40
            +2
            And nothing that they themselves say that ETA car on the head exceeds F-15, F-16, F-18, Eurofighter, Typhoon. What does it have to do with sanctions and inform the war, and what will make it harder to prevent shrinking and capturing in a mythical war?
            1. hrych
              hrych 25 November 2017 20: 15
              +2
              Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
              they say that this car is superior to F-15, F-16, F-18, Eurofighter, Typhoon.

              Not everyone praises
              Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
              What does the sanction and inform war have to do with it and what is the calm and hatred

              And why not miatsumstvo laughing Unfortunately, for you, Russia will throw any caps, separate, of individual guidance, and now maneuvering with false goals. Therefore, your remarks are inappropriate.
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 25 November 2017 19: 57
            +6
            For starters, the Russian Federation is fighting, including the sanctions and information war with the West.
            Yeah, Europe is fighting off gas supplies. They are trying to overwhelm America with billions of dollars. Forgotten as ministers and oligarchs in 2014 rejoiced at sanctions, like a carrot. Now the thought of all those who have been exempted from taxes under sanctions. It’s for you personally that these sanctions. For 17 years they did not make the country independent, and now you see the sanctions are to blame. We have already forgotten about import substitution, now we wouldn’t have flown in the elections ...
            1. hrych
              hrych 25 November 2017 20: 20
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              Yeah, Europe is fighting off gas supplies. They are trying to overwhelm America with billions of dollars.

              For your information, the re-equipment of the country required the same currency because your favorite EBN left the Russian Federation in ruin. We needed high-tech machines, which makes Japan and Germany. Well, oil can be argued there, like a non-renewable resource, but natural gas is such a thing that a gratuitous energy source, you can sell it, you can use it, or it can be a waste laughing Its GDP was transformed into Boreas, etc.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 25 November 2017 22: 47
                +4
                for the rearmament of the country, the same currency was required for your favorite EBN
                they drive the currency to America, help partners. Is there any difference between EBN and GDP. He seduced the country with democracy, this relentless victory, before the elections will once again win in Syria .. Russia never learned to produce machine tools. Even in North Korea purchased.
                By the way, laugh at the first Borey laid in 1996.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 25 November 2017 23: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  By the way, laugh at the first Borey laid in 1996.

                  I don’t know what was laid there in 1996, but they took the Shchuk-B project boat under the name Bars, opened it, inserted the missile compartment, under the dimensions of the Bulava, which they began to develop only in 1998, and only launched in 2005. And the so-called first Borey, which was laid down in 1996 under the Bark giant rocket and that it was taken to Bars from him, it’s hard to say, it’s possible cutting, and maybe nothing. Frozen and unfinished during the death of the USSR, Shchuki-B in the form of a Cougar and Lynx went to the construction of Nevsky and Monomakh, respectively. Therefore, the miraculous and sudden appearance of the three Boreas and discouraging Western analysts was a trick with the restructuring of Schuk-B. laughing
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  they drive the currency to America, help partners

                  Firstly, American securities still generate income because they give interest. That is, money brings money. And secondly, the Russian Federation holds currency and securities exactly as much as is needed for foreign trade, but no one has canceled it. But mass purchase of gold. I would give you a short lecture on economics, but you won’t prove anything, and of course you won’t believe that GDP did nationalize, that no one even understood and did not notice. Well, that’s good. For in the economy it has done the same as in defense. They pinned everyone and no one got it, except the West ... they already understood everything wassat
                  1. Mikhail Zubkov
                    Mikhail Zubkov 26 November 2017 01: 10
                    +1
                    We neo-pilotschikov decision should only please! In this way, the Lakho-Natsik will write off all of their available cadres of pilots and reserve pilots, because of their social past. POLITICALLY they do not trust their pilots from the former NDP of the Warsaw Pact. And all the technical staff for the release will go, they will not retrain. And a lot of things from the airfield and repair facilities - also to the dump to the heap! And those to whom they will sell our equipment, such as Iraq, will contact us for technical support. So I personally stick out of the Pogo-Natsik!
        3. not main
          not main 25 November 2017 21: 32
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          That's because of such and the level of the site over the past 3 years has fallen to impossibility!

          Not much wrong. After the "update" the site became like a dump or "Censor.ru". How many specialists did it take? And how much will leave in the near future?
        4. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 26 November 2017 02: 54
          +4
          "another threatens to" iron out with tactical nuclear weapons ", the third threatens to" burn out "everything, the fourth" frees "Prague even ..." /////

          A sign of weakness. The economy is sagging, the people are getting poorer - that's embittered. Against who? - Of course, “external enemies” (TV carefully prompts).
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 26 November 2017 11: 49
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            A sign of weakness. - that's embittered. Against who? - Of course, “external enemies” (TV carefully prompts).

            Are you still worried about your striped “partners”? I also do not like the content of the striped mainstream, and Unionjack. They sincerely believe the zomboyaschik and consider themselves exceptional, having the right, etc., a hangover will be difficult: you can’t solve everything at someone else’s expense - you have to pay
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 26 November 2017 12: 30
              +3
              "They sincerely believe the zomboyaschik" ///

              I visit the States from time to time. There is NOTHING in the American zombie about Russia, Poland or Syria. They dimly know that there is somewhere such Putin. It is not interesting to the people there.
              They are only interested in their internal news.
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 26 November 2017 17: 47
                +4
                I agree that the majority of the public is apolitical and are not interested further than their nose. But when interested, they believe their mainstream, stupidly and without alternative. I constantly communicate with them, primitive ..
        5. Bolo
          Bolo 26 November 2017 05: 48
          0
          so lift up, Shaposhnikov, you are ours!
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 November 2017 14: 41
      +6
      hilet me
      Quote: vovanpain
      from the Soviet Union have long been abandoned and the memory of who saved them from ...
      extermination by the Nazis
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 25 November 2017 14: 50
        11
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        extermination by the Nazis

        I already wrote, maybe in vain ours laid 600000 fighters for the liberation of Poland and put out the furnaces of Majdanek, Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzhen - after all, these were extermination camps. The memory of the Poles is short!
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 25 November 2017 14: 45
      +7
      Volodya, let them refuse, but it will be easier for us to understand in the air, where is ours and where is a stranger.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 25 November 2017 14: 48
        +7
        Quote: sabakina
        Volodya, let them refuse, but it will be easier for us to understand in the air, where is ours and where is a stranger.

        Well, for this there is a recognition system "friend or foe" - it does not matter to her whether the planes are alike or not!
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 25 November 2017 14: 51
          +5
          Alexander, I mean dogfight like dogfight. I am sure that in the event of a mess, these types of fights will be.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 25 November 2017 14: 58
            +4
            Quote: sabakina
            Alexander, I mean dogfight like dogfight. I am sure that in the event of a mess, these types of fights will be.

            Vyacheslav, such fights are most likely in the past. With current weapons they will not be allowed to fly so close. Well, unless if the battle starts unexpectedly within sight of each other. But this is unlikely. hi
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 25 November 2017 15: 03
              +5
              Sasha, nothing can never be ruled out! Mattresses in Vietnam abandoned guns in favor of machine guns. What is the result? A volley of our gun tore off the wing of the aircraft, a volley of their machine gun, just a series of holes in the wing of the MiG.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 25 November 2017 22: 52
                +2
                Quote: sabakina
                Mattresses in Vietnam abandoned guns in favor of machine guns.

                Well, actually, not in Vietnam, but in Korea. And in Vietnam, they completely abandoned barrel weapons on airplanes, in favor of missiles. And both ours and the Americans. Then I had to urgently, again equip the aircraft with guns.
          2. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 25 November 2017 15: 04
            +3
            Quote: sabakina
            Alexander, I mean dogfight like dogfight. I am sure that in the event of a mess, these types of fights will be.

            Will not. There will be carpet burning tactical nuclear. With infection, you can only get rid of cardinal measures.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 25 November 2017 15: 08
              +3
              Victor, since we are a good nation, we will iron the tactical carpet last. Well, you have to give the enemy a chance to escape from the battlefield?
              1. faridg7
                faridg7 25 November 2017 17: 20
                +1
                Well, then the enemy, and these are partners. So iron it. We do not need their territories, but we need to clean them so that the infection does not climb from there.
              2. Victor Dubovitsky
                Victor Dubovitsky 25 November 2017 22: 11
                0
                Quote: sabakina
                Victor, since we are a good nation, we will iron the tactical carpet last. Well, you have to give the enemy a chance to escape from the battlefield?

                It seems that they themselves ruled out this possibility. Bismarck was forgotten, who said that "If the enemy is a retreating enemy in front of you and the river prevents him from retreating, build him a golden bridge." They persuaded them for a long time; We are not going to. We are not moving toward NATO, NATO is towards us. We have already built many bridges for them. Enough. Let's see further. But what remains of all the troubles, of 50 thousand atomic charges of tactical purpose of all types, there is a decent amount, I think.
      2. Spike Javelin Touvich
        Spike Javelin Touvich 25 November 2017 19: 42
        +1
        Than!!!!????
        And where does such confidence come from?
    4. Ulan
      Ulan 25 November 2017 14: 49
      +5
      They refused conscience.
      1. 1331M
        1331M 25 November 2017 14: 53
        +5
        They refused junk, and for a new price we are breaking an exorbitant, probably. Pragmatism of pure water.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 November 2017 18: 21
          +3
          Quote: 1331M
          They refused junk, and for a new price we are breaking an exorbitant, probably. Pragmatism of pure water.

          They will not buy from us for any price - the owner will not allow it.
  3. anjey
    anjey 25 November 2017 14: 45
    +2
    The Polish Ministry of Defense is looking for new fighter aircraft under the Harpia program. According to the portal defense-blog.com, the Polish military department has officially announced the launch of a tender for the purchase of new combat aircraft
    Tse them the Yankees sell F -35 x, but bigger and more expensive, let the panpanies bankrupt the whole of Poland ...
  4. pvv113
    pvv113 25 November 2017 14: 45
    10
    The USA in Arizona has a huge selection of equipment for Polish friends lol
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 25 November 2017 14: 56
      +4
      Vovchik, I hope you do not offer them a B-52? wink
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 25 November 2017 15: 13
        +3
        On the B-52, the Poles have neither money nor territory. But some F-4 is quite acceptable wink
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 25 November 2017 15: 23
          +4
          Vovka, never say never. Did they put missile defense? If they want, they will find a place for a pair of B-52. But it is, humor. Che thought for a long time that he still couldn’t think of writing clever. So let’s rest in peace. Amen. drinks
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 25 November 2017 15: 28
            +1
            They may find a place, but much money is needed for the purchase and operation. So 404 abandoned Long-Range Aviation for the same reason
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 25 November 2017 15: 31
              +3
              For 404, too, Amen! drinks
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 25 November 2017 15: 32
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                For 404, too, Amen! drinks

                Remember drinks
          2. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 25 November 2017 16: 47
            +4
            Quote: sabakina
            Vovka, never say never. Did they put missile defense? If they want, they will find a place for a pair of B-52. But it is, humor. Che thought for a long time that he still couldn’t think of writing clever. So let’s rest in peace. Amen. drinks

            Well, let’s dismiss the couple. I read - at an exhibition in Farnborough, our flyer approached this airplane. And he says, a good car. American, that near the exhibit perked up, good, you say? -Yes, a wonderful thing. Hero of the Soviet Union is given for her.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 25 November 2017 22: 58
              0
              Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
              -Yes, a wonderful thing. Hero of the Soviet Union is given for her.

              For the Hero of the Soviet Union, I do not know. But the Hero of Vietnam was given.
  5. poquello
    poquello 25 November 2017 14: 45
    +4
    Wah, the beggars got into a fight, the competition is in a niche, that's what they bullse with dill.
  6. Tusv
    Tusv 25 November 2017 14: 48
    +2
    Either Psheks want to bring Migushka to perfection, Either refuse You would decide in Warsaw
  7. Bratyshka
    Bratyshka 25 November 2017 15: 14
    +2
    Here's the news: the Poles want to update the fleet of military aircraft. Why discuss it?
    What is happening in Poland with its leadership has long been clear.
    That Poland is not our ally, and in the near future will not support us in anything, is also clear.
    Buying airplanes, and it’s not important military, not military (in today's realities) is just BUSINESS, with all its attendant: economy, kickbacks, any future or present preferences
    Do you seriously think that the Poles on these purchased planes in the next thirty years (until they become obsolete) will be fighting with someone real fights ???? And if really, God forbid, this will happen, you think, whether the real difference is whether it will be F-16 or MiG-35. Taking into account the possible opponents for them - none (at the same time leave the TTX shutdown for the "couch strategists").
    And therefore, why so many 'smart slofff' ????? Before you show off ????
    ...... and already separately “we are their nuclear strike”))))))) this is generally a masterpiece of analytics))))))
  8. askort154
    askort154 25 November 2017 15: 26
    +1
    No wonder his first visit to the EU, Trump began with Poland. The United States credited Poland to the EU’s leader’s hot reserve in the event of Germany’s and France’s “intransigence” (England, the “watching” left the EU). The Poles longed for this all their lives. Now they are excited about American LNG (they are going to become a hub in the EU), they are hosting the command and staff department and NATO military units, and they are sharply changing their military weapons to American ones, starting with missile defense. The United States wants to make Poland a powerful strategic fortress against Russia, which it had previously planned to create in Ukraine and the Crimea.
  9. Equalized
    Equalized 25 November 2017 15: 27
    +2
    And what's so surprising about that? The Polish Air Force from MiG-29 early-series aircraft (9-12), former German. They are much inferior in terms of glider resources to aircraft of the 9-13 series and higher. Ie junk that will soon fall apart to crap.

    Even the Ukrainian Air Force DOES NOT operate 9-12. All 3 air brigades with MiG-29 are armed with exclusively 9-13, UB and modernized UM1 in some numbers. Total 45-47 machines. On the sediment tanks of such 9-12, about a hundred will be typed.
  10. abc_alex
    abc_alex 25 November 2017 15: 37
    +1
    The Poles have already tried a few years ago. Then they announced the abandonment of the Su-22. But driving a sting around, they found that there was nothing to replace except the decommissioned F-16s. And the purchase of aircraft from the United States has already caused them considerable pain. :) Moreover, Poland cannot buy decent airplanes for cash, EU subsidies will not help here, and they don’t have enough money to buy NATO equipment at its real prices. Moreover, they have already announced the purchase of helicopters and the purchase of missiles and the purchase of submarines and even a national missile defense. At that time, it all ended in an attempt to extend the life of the bombers.

    Poland now has 18 Su-22s and 32 MiG-29s. Replacing this fleet with the latest F-16 modifications will cost more than $ 1,5 billion only for aircraft. We also need weapons, a pilot retraining program, a ground handling system, and spare parts. And all this will cost real "NATO dollars".

    Naturally, there will be no modernization of the F-16 in Poland, the United States are not so stupid as to give these dreamers a source of real money.

    And
    the ability to purchase two squadrons of the latest F-35 Lightning II fighters.

    Except perhaps in the sick imagination of Matserevich. Firstly, again, the question of money remains, and secondly there are no airplanes, even those countries that participated in the development have not yet received them.
    1. turbris
      turbris 25 November 2017 16: 47
      0
      I do not understand, but what is the sensation? MiG-29 and Su-22 have already exhausted their resources and of course need to be replaced, because these are the MiG-29s that were supplied to the Warsaw Treaty countries, well, let them change what they want if they have money. NATO will not allow them to buy our planes, so I see nothing new in this message.
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 25 November 2017 17: 02
        +2
        There is no sensation, there is a blatant mismatch of desires and opportunities. During the Warsaw Pact, the USSR supplied expensive military equipment to the European Union on generous terms. This gave rise in some countries to an unjustifiably overestimated idea of ​​their military-technical potential. For example, Poland has the illusion of being able to have a full-fledged army. Although in fact, it simply cannot afford full aviation and navy. Especially "by NATO standards." For Poland, most likely there is simply no replacement for the Soviet MiG-29. Instead of enormous rearmament plans, it would be logical to think about deploying US Air Force bases on Polish territory.
  11. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 25 November 2017 15: 48
    +2
    Now - in a true way they are going to panov, let them buy more Fu-35s and then the khan will come to their budget for many, many years to come! Who is against? I'm all for it! lol
  12. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 25 November 2017 15: 56
    0
    They wanted to replace the Su-22 with drones.
  13. Bratyshka
    Bratyshka 25 November 2017 15: 57
    0
    It is interesting how events will develop if Poland refuses to purchase at all?))))
    Explanation No funds.
    But at the same time: a member of NATO, at the forefront with aggressive Russia, and NATO supports this in every way)))
    Could it be that NATO at its own expense will form the Polish Air Force realizing that in a possible future conflict, no matter how sad it is for the Poles, Polish pilots don’t matter which planes they are, but they will be part of NATO as “consumables”
    But, again, But: at present, taking into account the unlikely conflict with Russia, it will allow Poland AT ALL not to spend money on the Air Force
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 25 November 2017 17: 04
      +1
      See how this issue was resolved for the Baltic countries. The bases and international contingent of the Air Force were built.
  14. Bert
    Bert 25 November 2017 16: 00
    +4
    Quote: Sofa General
    Tactical nuclear is not an option - the territory will be badly polluted ... maybe it just burns out?

    Peace-loving Russian guys wonder how best to burn Europe. Together with women, children of Poles and others, and at the same time families of their leaders who have been living there for a long time. But it seems to me that our leaders will never allow this for humane reasons. Who will wet their loved ones. And the ruins of banks earned by overwork, no longer give out money.
    Well, airplanes, well, everything has a limit of operation. Our former allies became our enemies and for this they must be burned and sprinkled with nuclear ash. You can’t imagine any better. It is time to build Russian Auschwitz so that we would not be left behind from the Fuhrer. Gentlemen, go the "right" way.
    If only the memory of your grandfathers would not be dishonored.
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    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 25 November 2017 16: 49
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      And you better think about your seat. What will happen to the Svidomo, who will start to sweep from two sides and on which these Pshek devices will fall? Here go OTA. Their house is on fire, they are trying to rejoice at the warped neighbor's gate. laughing
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        1. IL-18
          IL-18 25 November 2017 21: 40
          +1
          Poor Yorick ... © (W. Shakespeare)
    2. komvap
      komvap 25 November 2017 16: 58
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      but in the "sacred" Syria, Israel was protected from the Isis.
    3. abc_alex
      abc_alex 25 November 2017 17: 29
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      What does the little thing have to do with it, the patch of pigs? NATO forces on the border of the Russian Federation began to be deployed back in the 90s. US missile defense system is already in its original The option provided for the deployment of the fourth positional area in Eastern Europe, the ABM agreement forbade the deployment of the US missile defense in BE, but when the US withdrew from the ABM treaty, they did this not to amuse the Selyuk, but to place the US missile defense at the borders of the Russian Federation.

      Over the past 70 years, the United States has never waged war against a technologically equal adversary, all that their instructors can teach - anti-partisan actions in the face of repeated numerical and technical superiority and guaranteeing the security of their territory from a retaliatory strike. The USA simply does not know how to wage other wars. Your independent media wrote that it’s not your Shtatovs who are taught to fight, but yours who explain to the Shtatovs what war is in the conditions of technical parity of the parties. And let these Javelins finally give you, so that you could understand on your own asses why, during the offensive operations of the SA in 1944-1945, hundreds of Faust patrons seized front-line units at German positions.

      Radars on the borders of Russia were also deployed back in the 90s, in the Baltic states. And this is in conditions when almost the entire border of Russia was completely devoid of radar coverage. In the 90s, along our borders they could have flown without any problems, although no AWACs would have said a word.

      And the answer to backfill: I propose to think with my brain what condition the Polish MiG-29s are in if they have not undergone qualified technical maintenance by the manufacturer for more than 20 years? And if some in Ukraine hopes for a free MiG transfer, then I advise you to repeat the recent story with “free” Polish coal. There, in my opinion, everything was demonstrated clearly.

      It is necessary to read more, and not to mantra about vovochka in the morning newspaper.
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        1. IL-18
          IL-18 25 November 2017 21: 49
          +1
          [quote- Kozlevich is not good.
          “How bad is that?” Is he drunk?
          “Worse,” answered Panikovsky, “we were even afraid to tell you.” He was fooled by priests. [/ Quote] ©
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 25 November 2017 23: 41
          +1
          Failed to analyze
          ? Retweeted on mov? So use a Google translator or something.

          Regarding missile defense, what proofs do you need? Is it difficult for you to score in Google the phrase "US missile defense position areas"?
          And where does the analytics? Already in 2002, breaking the ABM Treaty, the United States clearly indicated its intentions to deploy an advanced echelon of missile defense in BE. And at least in 2007 it was already known that one of the bases would be in Poland.
          True, you can make an amendment: the new classification implies this area is not the fourth, but the third. Since he would be fourth in the logic of the ABM treaty.

          Clearly read your nonsense from the first post to match the doctors. Poland did not serve airplanes in GSK MiG, no rem. There are no factories capable of extending the aircraft resource in Poland, the last extension of the resource was made by the Russian-German joint venture MAPS before the procedure for transferring to the Poles, and the Polish adaptation to NATO standards looked like screwing some additional instruments onto empty seats in the cockpit. In 2014, the Poles urgently, urgently bought two in Russia restored MiG-29 engine (5,25 million euros) to participate in the NATO mission to protect the airspace of the Baltic countries. "Zeno Zbroiny", then wrote, about the unsatisfactory level of technical support for the MiG-29 fighters from the composition of two air bases of the Air Force of the Republic of Poland (Malbok and Minsk-Mazowiecki). If for participation in the foreign mission of the Polish component consisting of only four aircraft urgent purchase required two engines, the question arises as to what is the technical condition of the remaining 28 MiG-29 fighters. Until today, the engines of the Polish MiGs were serviced and repaired by a plant in Warsaw, which did not and does not have a manufacturer's certificate. As a result, the replacement of the Polish Air Force fleet is carried out due to the critical condition of the aircraft, after many years of repair by non-certified specialists according to the most conservative estimates, MiGs require remotorization, for which only the purchase of engines will cost approximately 800 million zlotys (almost 200 million euros). Therefore, the Poles get rid of MiGs not because of obsolescence of equipment, but because they corrupted the cars to such a state that restoring them at a price is no longer advisable.

          I repeat once again - no analytics is needed here, you are corny do not know.
          1. bondxnumx
            bondxnumx 26 November 2017 19: 18
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            Only the Poles did not think how much it would cost them, so for other planes you need everything the same as for our Migovs, and if they don’t have spare parts, they should keep their planes in good condition, etc.
  16. 1536
    1536 25 November 2017 16: 30
    +1
    What are their "new fighters"? Let them fly on brooms.
  17. Lex.
    Lex. 25 November 2017 16: 34
    +1
    The Polish military is considering the purchase of the F-16 from the American army with their further modernization in Poland.
    sewed on soap to change a bucket with bolts for 40 years
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 26 November 2017 09: 29
      +1
      Right! Up to the heap, upgrade them to death like MiGs
  18. Going
    Going 25 November 2017 16: 41
    +7
    According to unofficial information, the Polish military is considering the possibility of purchasing the F-16 from the American army with their further modernization in Poland. In addition, there is the possibility of purchasing two squadrons of the latest F-35 Lightning II fighters.


    Well and health, we are against the wife.
    1. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 26 November 2017 15: 15
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      Quote: Going
      According to unofficial information, the Polish military is considering the possibility of purchasing the F-16 from the American army with their further modernization in Poland. In addition, there is the possibility of purchasing two squadrons of the latest F-35 Lightning II fighters.


      Well and health, we are against the wife.

      And how does your infidelity to your wife relate to Polish airplanes?
  19. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 November 2017 16: 44
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    It did not work for the Psheks to “repair” MiGaryam without Russia winked
  20. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 November 2017 16: 54
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    Who will pay for this banquet?))
    Huge plans, Matserevich) or plan ??
    Probably, the Fed gives a machine for the night, print money))
  21. Bratyshka
    Bratyshka 25 November 2017 17: 27
    +2
    Quote: abc_alex
    See how this issue was resolved for the Baltic countries. The bases and international contingent of the Air Force were built.

    In general, I wrote about this. Or gratuitous planes or gratuitous bases. And with the bases, if you agree correctly, it’s also earnings.
    At the same time, we have a strengthening of the NATO grouping at our borders.
    In total, everyone but us is the winner.
    Conclusion for those who understand, for most on the site, unfortunately, this news is to show off on our own.
    But I notice the corresponding news feed, which initially provokes the boys in the sandbox to scream rya.
    Respectfully to all thinking participants)
    .... and the boys, well, then he’s from and the boys, to sprinkle stupidity and saliva. Their time is childhood, Cossack robbers. Only it’s sad that a lot of them
  22. Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2017 17: 38
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    the resource of still received Soviet planes has expired, or is expiring, here are the Poles and are looking for where else what can be bought for the cheap eroplanchikov still flying ...
  23. roofing hedgehog
    roofing hedgehog 25 November 2017 19: 50
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    MEET 404-I am all the best ... don't forget to imagine it as new.
  24. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 25 November 2017 19: 55
    +1
    Old MiGs on the F-16 Block 52, they didn’t hell with their Air Force.
  25. Machete
    Machete 25 November 2017 20: 25
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    For Pshekia, it’s the same as ordering thousands of Bugatti Veyron for a municipal taxi.
    Horror is how stupid and tryndets how expensive.
  26. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 25 November 2017 21: 31
    +4
    Well, let them spend millions of money on American flying coffins.
  27. Cynic
    Cynic 26 November 2017 13: 38
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    A drum on the neck, rails under the legs and a dynamite checker in, uh, hands!
  28. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 26 November 2017 18: 18
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    Let them take it. It will be easier for our air defense and VKS to bring down everything purchased by the Poles
  29. bondxnumx
    bondxnumx 26 November 2017 19: 11
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    Poland as it was tsuchi, and remained! After Napoleon, it was necessary to divide it --- they did not, showed "mercy", after the events of 1830 they did not begin to punish either, and after the Second World War they did not decide to divide Poland into pieces ---- the history of our leaders taught nothing! And the fact that they do not need our fighters ---- is so good, let them spend money on avno expensive)))
  30. dDYHA
    dDYHA 27 November 2017 07: 22
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    It would be very strange if they bought Russian planes.
  31. dmitry.kashkaryow
    dmitry.kashkaryow 2 December 2017 15: 50
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    Quote: sabakina
    Volodya, let them refuse, but it will be easier for us to understand in the air, where is ours and where is a stranger.

    Now you need to "understand" without visual contact. Machine guns and "dog dumps" in the past.
    This is on the "Farman" pilots could arrange a pistol duel among themselves!))