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EU "forgot" about Ukraine in the final declaration of the Eastern Partnership summit

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The next event, serving the whole army of European bureaucrats, was held in Brussels. It's about the Eastern Partnership Summit, which was held by EU officials. Even before the end of the plenary session, a draft final declaration was submitted, with which the Ukrainian delegation does not agree. It turns out that the draft declaration does not contain any mention of when the European Union plans to admit Ukraine into its membership and whether it plans to accept it at all.


Instead of discussing “Ukraine’s joining the EU,” EU officials made it clear to Ukrainian partners that they need to deal with their problems and start implementing the previously proposed reform system. The very system under which the EU and the IMF allocated credit tranches. Recall that this adjustment of utility services tariffs under European standards, raising the retirement age, the continuation of privatization, as well as the lifting of the moratorium on the sale of Ukrainian forest abroad.

EU "forgot" about Ukraine in the final declaration of the Eastern Partnership summit


In order not to lose face (if there is something to lose), the President of Ukraine reported on his page about “a number of important meetings with European leaders.” One of the meetings was held with the Prime Minister of Slovakia, Robert Fico, who confirmed his intentions to increase the supply of natural gas to Ukraine. It should be noted that just a few days ago, Slovakia announced its intention to increase the volume of gas purchases from Russia. Pure coincidence, as official Kiev is trying to explain to its citizens ...
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  1. Sofa General
    Sofa General 24 November 2017 17: 00
    18
    No wonder
    That’s what they do with prostitutes - they’ll use it, turn it over, use it again and throw it away ...
    1. volodya
      volodya 24 November 2017 17: 12
      12
      Offended the great Svidomo! And for the umpteenth time!
      1. Sofa General
        Sofa General 24 November 2017 17: 13
        +6
        the main thing is that Svidomo would understand it themselves, not at the prompt, namely themselves ...
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 24 November 2017 17: 28
          +9
          Quote: Sofa General
          the main thing is that Svidomo would understand it themselves, not at the prompt, namely themselves ...

          Let's understand ... Next, what?
          They cannot build a state on their own. Should we restore them? - Fuck them all over the mug.
          Woe to them. The youth eventually dumps. Someone to Russia, someone to Poland to farm. But the old people feel sorry. Poroshenko and other Kodla Kiev just bastards.
          1. Monos
            Monos 24 November 2017 17: 46
            +8
            Rostislav Ishchenko correctly said (listen with 5: 30):
            1. hrych
              hrych 24 November 2017 19: 40
              +3
              Quote: Monos
              you said correctly

              One hope for Lyashka remained wassat
        2. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 24 November 2017 20: 59
          0
          and allowed to export forest from Ukraine to Europe
      2. Ankipelgygyrgyn
        Ankipelgygyrgyn 24 November 2017 17: 16
        +3
        They have such a fate, always to be offended.
    2. Primoos
      Primoos 24 November 2017 17: 20
      +2
      Do you really forget these beggars? They have already become sick of Europe for three years.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 November 2017 17: 23
        +3
        Amen! Svidomo is no longer in trend. Europe does not see returns from these idiots ...
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 24 November 2017 17: 34
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Amen! Svidomo is no longer in trend. Europe does not see returns from these idiots.

          And Teine less continues to invite Petsu to all sorts of summits, but when no one just remembers it, then it will be clear that Europe made the right conclusions, despite the position of the United States.
          1. pjastolov
            pjastolov 24 November 2017 18: 23
            +5
            Quote: Pirogov
            And Teine less continues to invite Petsu to all sorts of summits, but when it’s just that no one will remember for him, then it will be clear

            well, they are tolerant and cannot directly say
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 24 November 2017 18: 42
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Svidomo is no longer in trend. Europe does not see returns from these idiots ..


          hi , Dmitry.
          It is funny and sad at the same time. Residents of the village of Gladosovo that in the gray zone between Ukraine and LDNR, which were recently seized by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in violation of Minsk 2, complain to the OSCE mission (Hugu) about the seizure and are asked to return them to LDNR. This is when the hetman of Kiev uttered his “Wishlist” from the European rostrum and received a complete foolishness regarding integration into this “communal flat”.
        3. Lelek
          Lelek 24 November 2017 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Europe does not see returns from these idiots ...


          You are mistaken, Dmitry, "return" takes place to be. As the saying goes: "First, go ...".
    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 24 November 2017 17: 29
      18
      Quote: Sofa General
      prostitutes do just that — they use it, turn it over, use it again and throw it away

      But the girls of easy virtue can scroll through the dynamo. fellow
      1. destination
        destination 24 November 2017 17: 44
        +3
        laughing laughing laughing Did you draw up the protocol yourself, Vlad?
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 17: 45
        +7
        Hello, hello! hi drinks
        Quote: 79807420129
        But the girls of easy virtue can scroll through the dynamo.

        And for this they are shot. For educational purposes, of course. lol
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 17: 58
            +8
            Lesha, these are the neighbors who use the puncher to wall the walls at night, and I would have rammed the puncher into the exhaust pipe with a dirty tugger. And judging by the news, neighbors from Europe would participate. yes
            1. pjastolov
              pjastolov 24 November 2017 18: 49
              +5
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              And judging by the news, neighbors from Europe would participate.

              Hello pasha hi but how else can you do with them?
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 18: 52
                +2
                Volodya, good evening! hi
                Quote: pjastolov
                but how else can you do with them?

                A bream and a magic pendell. bully
                1. pjastolov
                  pjastolov 24 November 2017 19: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  A bream and a magic pendell.

                  but this is no longer democratic and tolerant laughing
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 19: 12
                    +2
                    I would explain to you clearly where and in what form I saw and spun democracy and tolerance, but firstly: I don’t want to rattle in the bathhouse, and secondly: you yourself know very well. wink
                    1. pjastolov
                      pjastolov 24 November 2017 19: 23
                      +2
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      I would explain to you clearly where and in what form I saw and spun democracy and tolerance, but firstly: I don’t want to rattle in the bathhouse, and secondly: you yourself know very well. wink

                      I know, but the gay people cannot request
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 19: 31
                        +2
                        I don’t care about the problems of the gay people. yes
                    2. pjastolov
                      pjastolov 24 November 2017 19: 33
                      +2
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      I don’t care about the problems of the gay people.

                      well you're a sheriff laughing
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 19: 51
                        +2
                        Quote: pjastolov
                        well you're a sheriff

                        And my name is "Good Harry." bully
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 25 November 2017 00: 40
              +1
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              And judging by the news, neighbors from Europe would participate.


              Goodnight.
              I read your repost and decided to add bitterness. Our European "colleagues" met at the Eastern Partnership summit not only and not so much Valtsman but also our "friends" in the EAC and CSTO (Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus), who applied for association with the European Union (this is in addition to Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine). So in vain you are rolling on the European "partners, they are not asleep and quietly doing their job.
              1. Seal
                Seal 27 November 2017 18: 23
                +1
                Quote: Lelek
                and our "friends" in the EAC and CSTO (Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus), who have applied for association with the European Union

                Well, let's say, of all three, only Armenia has filed so far. And already accepted. And as they accepted, it began.
                Hearings to discuss the draft statement of the National Assembly of Armenia on the start of the process to terminate the treaty on the Eurasian Economic Union are held in parliament. The adoption of this document will be sufficient to begin the process of the country's exit from the EAEU, which, according to the authors of the project, limits the ability of Armenia, including to establish trade relations with other countries.
                What did Armenia not expect from the EAEU?
                As a member of the Elk faction, chairman of the Bright Armenia party, Edmon Marukyan, noted, introducing the draft document, after Armenia’s membership in the EAEU, there has been a significant regression in a number of socio-economic spheres, in addition, the country's security has not been strengthened.

                “Over the three years of membership in the EAEU, Armenia’s GDP fell by 8% in dollar terms, employment decreased by 13%, international reserves - by 40%, government debt increased by 10%. At the same time, the influx of net investment in 2014 amounted to 167,4 billion drams (345,8 million dollars), and in 2016 it decreased, reaching 81 billion drams (167,3 million dollars), "said Marukyan.
                He emphasized that as a result of membership in the EAEU, about 900 items of essential goods and consumer goods in Armenia will inevitably rise in price, and from January 1, 2018, prices will increase by 759 items of goods.
                1. genisis
                  genisis 27 November 2017 23: 22
                  +1
                  Well, actually, Sergey Petrovich, in his repertoire)))
                  And already accepted. And as they accepted, it began.

                  And now we look, when did the opposition party submit its proposals to the Armenian parliament
                  "The project for Armenia’s withdrawal from the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) is registered in the National Assembly of the Republic, said Nikol Pashinyan, member of the ELK (Exit) Party, September 14, 2017 PanARMENIAN news portal reports citing MP’s personal page.
                  Within the framework of the project, an interim parliamentary commission should be formed, which will determine the feasibility of continuing Armenia’s membership in the EAEU and prepare a “conclusion on the beginning of the process of leaving the EAEU,” Pashinyan said. "
                  Look further
                  "YEREVAN, 4 Oct 2017 - RIA News
                  The Armenian parliament on Wednesday rejected the initiative of the opposition Elk faction (Exodus) to create an interim parliamentary commission to study the issue of the country's withdrawal from the EAEU, RIA Novosti reports.
                  Earlier, the profile commission on foreign relations of the Armenian parliament gave a negative opinion on the initiative to create a commission. Nevertheless, the parliament’s regulation allows to submit a draft law or resolution for discussion by the plenary if it is recognized by the opposition faction as extraordinary.
                  Ten deputies voted for the creation of the commission, 79 against it. Against the creation of the commission, all parliamentary factions, except Elk."
                  Today, on 27/11/2017, members of the opposition Elk party did submit a draft for consideration at the plenary meeting, but the result was predictably a failure.
                  So, Sergey Petrovich, you are again lying. Oppositionists have been carrying this nonsense since September 2017, and not after the EU summit - the Eastern Partnership.
                  In Russia, the opposition is also a lot of nonsense, but after all, democracy is.
    4. Slovak
      Slovak 24 November 2017 18: 17
      0
      Not really. They are also trying to make money on it. Fico will resell Russian gas. And Fico without walrus is nonsense.
  2. svp67
    svp67 24 November 2017 17: 02
    +2
    The fact that the EU has become tired of the problems of Ukraine, this can be seen already with the naked eye. And if the United States does not put pressure on it again, then I think that Ukraine’s “peremog” will become much smaller, but its “zrad” is bigger ...
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 24 November 2017 18: 09
      +1
      No, they weren’t tired, they just realized that all the planned profit from the Euromaidan was reduced to zero. Duty-free import of goods to Russia through the associated Ukraine was blocked. Sanctions turned into counter-sanctions. Ukrainian gas pipe will soon turn into a pumpkin. Turkey, the “non-European of 50 years” will offer gas at its discretion. Shale gas turned out to be a dummy, etc ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 November 2017 18: 38
        +1
        Quote: dr.star75
        No, they were not tired, they just realized that all the planned profit from the Euromaidan was reduced to zero.

        That is, the fact that Ukraine, instead of profits, received losses that are only increasing, is this not a problem for you?
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 24 November 2017 18: 58
          0
          Well, actually it’s exactly hi I wrote this, sorry for the pun.
  3. Black_Vatnik
    Black_Vatnik 24 November 2017 17: 04
    +1
    Once, it’s not a fact that soon it will come to the maydauns that they were used as contraception to create a large, Russophobic state near Russia. And no one expects 40 million hungry mouths in the EU ...
    I hope I live to see this moment.
  4. Going
    Going 24 November 2017 17: 05
    +8
    It should be noted that just a few days ago, Slovakia announced its intention to increase gas purchases from Russia. Pure coincidence, as official Kiev is trying to explain to its citizens ...


    Business in Ukrainian, in spite of my grandmother frostbitten ears. lol
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 24 November 2017 17: 38
      13
      This is not a business - this is politics!
      In business, they do not disdain the “aggressor”! Bridges are being built, our metal is being imported!
      1. Going
        Going 24 November 2017 17: 47
        +8
        Alexander, Ukrainians would not be Ukrainians if they had not made their gesheft on politics. lol
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 18: 00
          +4
          Vitya, Sanya - welcome! hi
          Quote: Going
          Ukrainians would not be Ukrainians if they had not made their gesheft on politics.

          If you hadn’t done a gesheft on everything, it would be more accurate. wink
          1. Going
            Going 24 November 2017 18: 05
            +8
            Good evening Pasha! hi , I agree, otherwise they won’t even lift a finger.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 18: 06
              +4
              Quote: Going
              otherwise they won’t even lift a finger.

              Well, so they imitate the entire mattress master. yes
              1. Going
                Going 24 November 2017 18: 08
                +8
                But as always in Ukrainian. lol
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 18: 12
                  +4
                  How else ? These are the descendants of the protoucurs - the progenitors of civilization! wassat
                  1. Going
                    Going 24 November 2017 18: 17
                    +8
                    They will sell nenka for pennies.
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 18: 21
                      +3
                      So no one will take it. Many are ready to take advantage, but to take for maintenance - figurines. Everything is like with the usual confusion ...
                      1. Going
                        Going 24 November 2017 18: 22
                        +7
                        They will be dragged in parts, but the people are not interested in anyone.
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 24 November 2017 18: 37
          +1
          And what kind of gesheft did the Ukrainians have? Sold their country on credit for 100 years? The loan is already divided between the organizers, and they are slowly dumping. But all the remaining Ukrainians will have to. There is only one hope: in the great war, Russia will defeat creditors and give a gift to Ukraine.
          1. Going
            Going 24 November 2017 18: 41
            +7
            So I’m talking about the organizers and I say, did you think about the state or God forbid the people? lol
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 24 November 2017 18: 53
              +1
              Well, yes, I'm talking about the people of Ukraine. He is in flight.
              1. Going
                Going 24 November 2017 18: 57
                +6
                The people of Ukraine are deep ... and when the hangover comes, shreds will fly through the back streets.
                1. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 24 November 2017 19: 15
                  +2
                  No, it won’t come. Passed already. Unfortunately, the people of Ukraine are not proud adits. Belarusians created guerrilla groups in response to executions, and Ukrainians signed up for Bandera
                  1. Going
                    Going 24 November 2017 19: 53
                    +6
                    A hangover will come without fail, only they will arrive, as you described, but only in Zapadenshchina, and the southeastern partisans will do their job.
                    1. dr.star75
                      dr.star75 24 November 2017 20: 02
                      +1
                      I'd like to hope, as you described. Only I have doubts.
                      1. Going
                        Going 24 November 2017 20: 09
                        +6
                        We are all in uncertainty, it is possible that we will have to help not only financially.
          2. pjastolov
            pjastolov 24 November 2017 20: 28
            +2
            Quote: dr.star75
            There is only one hope: in the great war Russia will defeat creditors and give

            one thought occurred to them - they think it
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 24 November 2017 20: 33
              +1
              It will be like that. We cannot fail to appear in the war for Ukraine.
              1. pjastolov
                pjastolov 24 November 2017 20: 36
                +2
                Quote: dr.star75
                It will be like that. We cannot fail to appear in the war for Ukraine.

                this is the funny thing request we are being poured over with slops, but we will come and protect belay
                1. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 24 November 2017 20: 40
                  0
                  Yes, there is no other way. Well, or as fascists, just destroy this population. hi
                  1. pjastolov
                    pjastolov 24 November 2017 20: 46
                    +2
                    Quote: dr.star75
                    just destroy that population.

                    you can give this thing to the geyropeytsam, and do not intervene - they have a lot of experience in this hi
                    1. dr.star75
                      dr.star75 24 November 2017 20: 54
                      0
                      We cannot look at it indifferently.
                      1. pjastolov
                        pjastolov 24 November 2017 21: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: dr.star75
                        We cannot look at it indifferently.

                        turn it around - we can, or you feel sorry for the banderlogs, are you from Greenpeace?
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 24 November 2017 17: 21
    0
    Question: Who is more inadequate, the rulers of the ruins, or those who have relied on them? And everything is logical. An employee who does not do his job is fired without severance pay.
  6. den3080
    den3080 24 November 2017 17: 22
    +2
    He said something earlier ... I won’t go to the summit, if they don’t include

    "And if you sing, or maybe bark, or maybe close ...
    because the cows moo ...
    Then you have a big saddle, a carpet and a TV
    A gift is immediately handed over, or maybe handed
    .
    and a stupid raven ... or maybe a dog ... "
    inspired smile
  7. Isstiqlal
    Isstiqlal 24 November 2017 17: 22
    +2
    What about your strategic ally Armenia -
    The European Union and Armenia signed an agreement on expanded and comprehensive partnership. laughing
    another knife in the back or .... do not get off with tomatoes wassat
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 24 November 2017 17: 46
      +1
      Quote: Istiqlal
      What about your strategic ally Armenia -

      Why did you merge our Armenian agents in the EU ...
      1. Isstiqlal
        Isstiqlal 24 November 2017 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: Volodin
        Why did you merge our Armenian agents in the EU ...

        yes yes calm yourself laughing
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 24 November 2017 19: 00
        0
        Quote: Volodin
        Volodin


        Hey. I imagined, for a minute, this picture: well, the integration of Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia into the EU "turned on". And the hordes of Caucasian horsemen under the “buy-sell” banners in “flying saucer” caps rushed to make their Caucasian gesheft to the city markets and the weights overloaded with “refugees” of “Europe”. The fun begins at the natives. But our cities are at least a little offload from this semi-criminal contingent.
    2. dr.star75
      dr.star75 24 November 2017 17: 53
      +1
      How are your tanks there? Is everything on the go? Still not sent? Tomatoes haven’t gotten off. They are building nuclear power plants, building TPs, our tourists and tomatoes are worth its weight in gold, there is no question about blocking straits, well, they want to buy weapons. tomatoes like that, little things, we can buy a couple of boxes.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 24 November 2017 18: 31
        +3
        Quote: dr.star75
        tomatoes like that, little things, we can buy a couple of boxes.

        Colleague request hi A couple of boxes, but the Azerbaijanis themselves will bring them to our bazaars, and the Armenians will clean the board for them so that prices do not bring down. laughing
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 24 November 2017 18: 46
          +1
          Do Armenians like to skate? laughing But we have shoe repair. This is their business, closed. wassat But the Cossack mishandled wants to bring confusion. I'm talking about "wiggling"
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 24 November 2017 18: 53
            +2
            Quote: dr.star75
            Do Armenians like to skate?

            A colleague, it’s better to buy Armenian cognac in a company store and then, as they say, God saves laughing
            Quote: dr.star75
            I'm talking about "wiggling"

            Michael, yes it’s like passing by, he came, heaped a bunch and ran away. hi
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 24 November 2017 19: 04
              0
              Anyway, he will soon come up. Let the "materiel" teach! And we will practice. And at the expense of the skate, I recently got a brand-name Armenian, 8 year old, everything is in Armenian and English. Maybe I'll fit on New Year
              1. Karen
                Karen 28 November 2017 09: 26
                0
                I remember the times when all our exports were only 90 lyam, and 50 of them were cognac to you ...
    3. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 24 November 2017 18: 13
      +6
      They will marry and abandon your European Union, and your back is preferable for Armenians at any moment, day or night. fellow
    4. pjastolov
      pjastolov 24 November 2017 20: 33
      +2
      Quote: Istiqlal
      The European Union and Armenia signed an agreement on expanded and comprehensive partnership.

      exactly partnership, but are you jealous that the rainbow preferred the Armenians?
      1. Seal
        Seal 27 November 2017 18: 26
        +2
        Well, in fact, neither Belarus nor Azerbaijan applied for EU membership. Only Armenia has submitted. And the signing of this "agreement" is the first step towards Armenia’s accession to the EU.
        And here are the consequences of this preferences.
        Hearings to discuss the draft statement of the National Assembly of Armenia on the start of the process to terminate the treaty on the Eurasian Economic Union are held in parliament. The adoption of this document will be sufficient to begin the process of the country's exit from the EAEU, which, according to the authors of the project, limits the ability of Armenia, including to establish trade relations with other countries.
        What did Armenia not expect from the EAEU?
        As a member of the Elk faction, chairman of the Bright Armenia party, Edmon Marukyan, noted, introducing the draft document, after Armenia’s membership in the EAEU, there has been a significant regression in a number of socio-economic spheres, in addition, the country's security has not been strengthened.
        “Over the three years of membership in the EAEU, Armenia’s GDP fell by 8% in dollar terms, employment decreased by 13%, international reserves - by 40%, government debt increased by 10%. At the same time, the influx of net investment in 2014 amounted to 167,4 billion drams (345,8 million dollars), and in 2016 it decreased, reaching 81 billion drams (167,3 million dollars), "said Marukyan.
        He emphasized that as a result of membership in the EAEU, about 900 items of essential goods and consumer goods in Armenia will inevitably rise in price, and from January 1, 2018, prices will increase by 759 items of goods.
        1. genisis
          genisis 27 November 2017 23: 21
          +1
          Well, actually, Sergey Petrovich, in his repertoire)))
          And here are the consequences of this preference.

          And now we look, when did the opposition party submit its proposals to the Armenian parliament
          "The project for Armenia’s withdrawal from the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) is registered in the National Assembly of the Republic, said Nikol Pashinyan, member of the ELK (Exit) Party, September 14, 2017 PanARMENIAN news portal reports citing MP’s personal page.
          Within the framework of the project, an interim parliamentary commission should be formed, which will determine the feasibility of continuing Armenia’s membership in the EAEU and prepare a “conclusion on the beginning of the process of leaving the EAEU,” Pashinyan said. "
          Look further
          "YEREVAN, 4 Oct 2017 - RIA News
          The Armenian parliament on Wednesday rejected the initiative of the opposition Elk faction (Exodus) to create an interim parliamentary commission to study the issue of the country's withdrawal from the EAEU, RIA Novosti reports.
          Earlier, the profile commission on foreign relations of the Armenian parliament gave a negative opinion on the initiative to create a commission. Nevertheless, the parliament’s regulation allows to submit a draft law or resolution for discussion by the plenary if it is recognized by the opposition faction as extraordinary.
          Ten deputies voted for the creation of the commission, 79 against it. Against the creation of the commission, all parliamentary factions, except Elk."
          Today, on 27/11/2017, members of the opposition Elk party did submit a draft for consideration at the plenary meeting, but the result was predictably a failure.
          So, Sergey Petrovich, you are again lying. Oppositionists have been carrying this nonsense since September 2017, and not after the EU summit - the Eastern Partnership.
          In Russia, the opposition is also a lot of nonsense, but after all, democracy is.
          1. Karen
            Karen 27 November 2017 23: 42
            +1
            When Sergei Petrovich does not go on the site for 4 or more days, then his post against Armenia predictably appears ... The feeling that he returned from the Turkic-speaking country to our left aphids to our right.
            1. genisis
              genisis 28 November 2017 00: 02
              +1
              Karen, sometimes it seems to me that he has something deeply personal connected with the Armenians))
              1. Karen
                Karen 28 November 2017 08: 38
                0
                not necessarily ... Maybe I took an extra-curriculum job to work for our neighbors, or maybe great-power chauvinism played ... I once saw such a manifestation in the 98th, on the 10th anniversary of the Karabakh events ... there was an interview in a Russian newspaper the two KGB officers who served there at that time ... Someone Khmelev admitted that sometimes they wanted to do something like under tsarism — to distribute weapons to both sides and let them kill each other ... He only deceived Khmelev — tsarism only armed Muslims against us.
                I then attributed it to “time has become” - after all, I still remembered that
                a decent employee was sent to the NKAO by the Chekists of white stone, Shmelev (or Dmitry Andreevich or Andrei Dmitrievich) - to limit permissiveness among violent, venal military commanders like Safonov ...
  8. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 24 November 2017 17: 35
    +2
    they marred and threw it like a used rag ... there are still legs left to wipe the effect more
    1. Going
      Going 24 November 2017 17: 47
      +8
      They will wipe it out and tear it to shreds.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 18: 07
        +3
        A little need to cope? wink
        1. Going
          Going 24 November 2017 18: 10
          +8
          Well, intimate details we will not highlight. lol
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 24 November 2017 23: 23
          +1
          There are other uses.

          or
  9. Otdel -1
    Otdel -1 24 November 2017 18: 22
    +5
    To each his own, as the Germans said, capturing Europe and rushing to Russia!
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 24 November 2017 18: 25
      0
      Again, sick, got out of quarantine. Scatter.
      1. Chinganchuk
        Chinganchuk 24 November 2017 20: 46
        0
        Quote: Deniska999
        Again, sick, got out of quarantine. Scatter.

        Such as you see the power captured on the site .. well, well ..
        Since 2012, have been waiting to surface .. hehe
        P / S And I look a lot of such "caches" appeared .. Do not shoot everyone!
        Analyze men and think .. soldier
        1. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 25 November 2017 05: 00
          +6
          The pale-cops worked well with you on the reservation, but you don’t need to analyze the obvious, because what is obvious to us is incredible to you. This is where our mutual understanding comes from.
          1. Karen
            Karen 28 November 2017 08: 53
            0
            About 15 years ago I came across such a manifestation ... a sidekick from the states on vacation came to us ... achieved great success in work there, turned his head around ... started to tryndet, what kind of democracy ... well, I told him about the pale-faced and the Indians, about Fouche and the surveillance of everyone and everything - no matter .... Now he has become wiser. :)
  10. Egorovich
    Egorovich 24 November 2017 18: 29
    +5
    Until now, hohlopithecans have not understood that nowhere and no one needs parasites. Until they understand, everything will continue in a cyclical circle.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 24 November 2017 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: Egorovich
      Until now, hohlopithecans have not understood that nowhere and no one needs parasites.


      Hi Yegorych.
      They are needed, but not as parasites (this was said by Poroshenko at the EU summit), but as a skunk on the border with nasty Russia. Otherwise, what could Teresa May squeal about at the same summit.
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 24 November 2017 19: 25
        +1
        I somehow didn’t understand this Theresa, to work together, and brek.mol themselves together, but without us. so what?
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 24 November 2017 19: 31
          0
          Quote: oldzek
          but without us. so what?


          Hey. Together with the EU and the United States (considering the Brexit), but against us (against the "hostile Englishwoman" state - Russia).
      2. Egorovich
        Egorovich 24 November 2017 19: 25
        +5
        So Ukrainians then want to see themselves as a parasite, In, God forbid, an extreme situation, the great army of ukrov will flee within a few days.
  11. hly
    hly 24 November 2017 18: 50
    0
    Coincidence? I do not think :))))
  12. Sergey53
    Sergey53 24 November 2017 20: 11
    0
    Why forgot about Ukraine in the final declaration. They have long said, did not even hint, -NO. Neither in NATO nor in the EU. Why repeat once again.
  13. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 24 November 2017 21: 57
    +4
    EU “forgot” about Ukraine in final declaration

    Well, yes ... Forgot .. Like a prostitute after use. And no matter what her name is, who she is, what she ...
    And, actually, what is surprising?
    Remembering the classics: "Well, what about my son? Have your Poles helped you?"
    But still everything is ahead ... A bunch of surprises.
  14. Normal ok
    Normal ok 24 November 2017 23: 49
    0
    As always, VO publishes the material fragmentarily. Damn, but still it is in Google. why so disgrace ?!
  15. Seal
    Seal 28 November 2017 10: 29
    +1
    Quote: genisis
    So, Sergey Petrovich, you are again lying. Oppositionists have been carrying this nonsense since September 2017, and not after the EU summit - the Eastern Partnership.

    Oh oh Let me remind you that the signing of November 24.11.2017, 2017 is just the final Act. And the foundation was laid in March XNUMX.
    YEREVAN, November 24. News-Armenia. At the fifth summit of the European Union's "Eastern Partnership" program, Armenia and the EU signed an Agreement on comprehensive and expanded partnership, which parties initialed yet 21 March 2017 year.
    The document forms a new platform for strengthening political and economic cooperation between Armenia and the EU, based on shared values ​​and close ties.

    Again trying to pass black as white?
    1) March 21 initialed.
    2) In September, the opposition bloc introduced a draft resolution.
    3) In November, they signed.
  16. Seal
    Seal 28 November 2017 10: 36
    +2
    Quote: Karen
    When Sergei Petrovich does not go on the site for 4 or more days, then his post against Armenia predictably appears ... The feeling that he returned from the Turkic-speaking country to our left aphids to our right.

    Oh how !!! Quoting the materials of official Armenian news agencies, you are perceived already as a "post against Armenia" !!!! And if I quote something from the Xinhua News Agency, do you blame me for the anti-Chinese position? And if I quote something from ZMAN.com (the Israeli news agency) - will you blame me for anti-Semitism?
    Quote: Karen
    it doesn’t happen on the site for 4 or more days
    It just shows that I'm here, unlike both of you, not at work. I have other interests and personal matters. Especially on weekends. It’s you who are tracking my every comment here.
  17. Seal
    Seal 28 November 2017 10: 43
    +2
    Quote: genisis
    Karen, sometimes it seems to me that he has something deeply personal connected with the Armenians))

    Exactly what is personal. To the depths of my soul, I personally hate those who are trying to solve their problems (for example, to attach to themselves a certain slide located in a neighboring country) at our expense. Moreover, due to both our finances and due to our blood. Sorry, but in this your desire to solve your problems at our expense you are unique. There are no more. Stop solving your problems at the expense of my country and there will be no problems.
    Well, perhaps only Belarus sometimes shows some degree of redneck. But firstly, Belarus is not trying to quarrel with other countries, as you persistently do. And secondly, Belarusians are our Slav brothers. They, as brothers, can be forgiven for many things that cannot be forgiven by strangers.
  18. Seal
    Seal 28 November 2017 10: 46
    +2
    Quote: Karen
    not necessary..

    Necessarily necessary. That is personal. To the depths of my soul, I personally hate those who are trying to solve their problems (for example, to attach to themselves a certain slide located in a neighboring country) at our expense. Moreover, due to both our finances and due to our blood. Sorry, but in this your desire to solve your problems at our expense you are unique. There are no more. Stop solving your problems at the expense of my country and there will be no problems.
    Well, perhaps only Belarus sometimes shows some degree of redneck. But firstly, Belarus is not trying to quarrel with other countries, as you persistently do. And secondly, Belarusians are our Slav brothers. They, as brothers, can be forgiven for many things that cannot be forgiven by strangers.
    You, in everything essential since the end of the 19th century, have been guided by the USA, but you are trying to solve your problems at the expense of my country and the blood of our soldiers. You actively encouraged the Russian empire to participate in the First World War, and then, as it began, to enter the Turkish war on the side of Germany. What do you want to achieve the greatness of Russia? No, not the greatness of Russia you wanted !!! You longed for us to take as much Turkish territory as possible with our blood, and then, as a country, we should fall apart (the American thesis on the right of nations to self-determination was already taken as the basis for your long-term policy). And you would create your "Great Armenia". Which actually almost happened. That's just the Ataturk factor you did not foresee and therefore did not foresee. hi
    1. Karen
      Karen 28 November 2017 11: 16
      0
      When interests coincide, Russia can also take Kars ... An example of analysis from the classic of the world revolution and Russophobia led ...
      _____
      About orientation to the USA.
      This happened after the October coup, when the Russians left here themselves.
      But the plans of Wilson were stopped by the British, and there the US Zionists arrived in time and put him in his place - in a corner.
      In the 20th, the British openly advised us to negotiate with Bolshevik Russia.
      ____
      Earlier, he cited an example of a decade ago - recording a conversation of a senior political person with low social responsibility with British diplomats on his requests to include resolutions against us in PACE, they popularly explained that Armenia is the priority zone of the Russian Federation, and here they will not be active.
    2. Karen
      Karen 28 November 2017 13: 03
      0
      Quote: Seal
      ... You actively pushed the Russian empire to participate in the First World War, and then, as it began, to enter the Turkish war on the side of Germany. What do you want to achieve the greatness of Russia? No, not the greatness of Russia you wanted !!! You longed for us to take as much Turkish territory as possible with our blood, and then, as a country, we should fall apart (the American thesis on the right of nations to self-determination was already taken as the basis for your long-term policy). And you would create your "Great Armenia". Which actually almost happened. That's just the Ataturk factor you did not foresee and therefore did not foresee. hi

      Sergey Petrovich, poisoning from an overdose of caviar diplomacy is clearly visible ...
      The Armenians in RI during the time of Koli 2 did not have the right to claim anything ... Even to protest against the autocrat’s decision to use the Sevan waters to generate electricity for the Baku oil fields, followed by the expulsion of our people (the PMV prevented).
      For war / peace with Turkey, it was decided with you and without taking into account our opinion ...
      In the 18-19gg. and the British didn't give a damn about the land owner in Transcaucasia - if only the Baku-Batum railway functioned for oil.
      According to Atatürk, this is not the son of a Jewish mother, so another drunk would have jumped out of the Zionist cage to solve the tasks of the congress of their party, and the Bolsheviks of all Russia would help them with money, weapons, and the blood of a Russian soldier.
  19. Seal
    Seal 1 December 2017 12: 10
    +2
    Quote: Karen
    Even to protest against the autocrat’s decision to use the water of Sevan to generate electricity for the Baku oil fields, followed by the expulsion of our people (the PMV prevented).

    About the expulsion of something new. Really did not hear. Any details possible?

    On the protests against the waters of Sevan for the Baku oil fields.

    Well, first of all, the protest is different. In the USSR, too, no one would have allowed Nicoum (including the Armenians) to protest against any economic issue already approved at the very top. For example, about land reclamation. But to write articles on the theme of "US Aggression" or "Turkey Aggression" was not only not forbidden, but even encouraged.

    And by the way, why did the Armenians have to protest against the use of Sevan waters to generate electricity for the Baku oil fields. Is that the “Bees Against Honey” protests? After all, the probability that it was exactly the Armenian project .... well, it is very high. In my opinion, in the region of 80% -85%.
    After all (further everything from your sites, did not check)
    According to official data of 1846, all the trade of Transcaucasia with Russia was in the hands of the Armenians and amounted to 5 rubles. Representatives of the Armenian capital were constantly attracted to new areas of entrepreneurship.

    At the end of the XNUMXth century, in a short period of time, a number of new Armenian companies were formed in Baku. Thanks to their knowledge and energy, Armenian entrepreneurs gained great influence, playing an important role in the economic development of the entire Baku province. These are “Mirzoyan and brothers”, “Mantashyan and comrades”, “Aragats”, “Araks”, “Brothers Gukasovs”, “Lianozov and comrades”, “Aramazd”, “Ararat”, “Masis”, “Astghik”, “Syunik "," Aral-Caspian "and dozens of other companies owned by Armenians, engaged in the oil industry and had their own means of transportation, including sea. In total, in 1912 there were 66 shipowners in Baku, among them companies and private owners, 14 of which were Armenians and had 24 ships. Hakob and Hovhannes Avetyany (“Menastan”), O. Adamyan (“Vagan”), “Armenian Shipping Company” (“Ashot Erkat”, “Amasia”), “Volga Company” (“Artsiv Vaspurakani”), “Caspian Trade industrial company ”(“ Vaspurakan ”) and others. Even Caucasian Turks (hereinafter referred to as Azerbaijanis) called their ships with Armenian names, for example, the ship of Ashurbekov and Dzhafarov was called“ Avetik ”, Babashiev -“ Masis ”, Kuliev -“ Arshak ”, Mamedova - “Ararat”.

    The Armenians launched a wide economic, commercial and construction activity in Baku. In the matter of oil production in Baku, the Armenian oil producers had a large role and significant weight.

    The first industrial oil well in Baku, which was launched in 1869, belonged to O. Mirzoyan. Outstanding Representative of Armenian Entrepreneurs of Baku was Alexander Mantashyan, which in the oil industry enjoyed great authority. In February 1894, an agreement was signed between the Armenian group of A. Mantashyan and the “Association of Baku Owners of Kerosene Plants”, according to which Armenian entrepreneurs got the opportunity to freely enter the international market.

    In 1897-1907, Armenian industrialists (A. Mantashyan, Ter-Akopov, Ter-Margaryan, etc.) built the world's first Baku-Batumi oil pipeline. As of 1907, of 448 million pounds of oil produced in Baku, 54,4%, and in 1917 of 168 million pounds of oil 53% of the total volume were produced by Armenian companies.

    It was the Armenian oil industry that contributed to the transformation of Baku into a large industrial center. The Armenian businessman G. Lianozyan was considered the largest entrepreneur engaged in fishing and seafood. Before the outbreak of World War I, his fishing vessels were equipped with the best equipment.

    It should be noted that the Armenians were not only involved in economic activity, but they themselves created the technical base conducive to business development. The production of drilling rigs and pipes involved 41 plants, 19 of them were Armenian. 194 mechanical workshops were involved in oil production, 95 of them were Armenians.


    Something like that. So why protest against your own projects?
    1. Karen
      Karen 1 December 2017 16: 05
      0
      The expulsion was automatically obtained due to the full use of the waters of Sevan to generate electricity for Baku ... I won’t give a link, since 30 years have passed from the time of reading ... there Kolya said that he would be able to feed his soldiers, but he didn’t care about the other ...
  20. Seal
    Seal 1 December 2017 12: 11
    +1
    Quote: Karen
    and the Bolsheviks of all Russia would help them with money, and weapons, and with the blood of a Russian soldier.


    And money, and weapons, and ammunition .... but about the blood you lied. We did not send troops to help Ataturk.
    1. Karen
      Karen 1 December 2017 16: 11
      0
      Or maybe you lied? !!
      The blood of a Russian soldier was shed in joint actions with the Turks against the Armenians in Nazichevan and Zangezur.
      ... In our troops, Nzhdeh fought against the Bolsheviks and 120 Russian officers from the tsarist army ... they had nowhere to return to Bolshevik Russia. 120 out of 300 that remained in Armenia.
  21. Seal
    Seal 5 December 2017 17: 51
    +1
    Quote: Karen
    Russia can take Kars.

    What are you of us (Russia) sculpting of a monster who supposedly wants to crush the whole world for himself? Why do we need Kars? Yes, we can take at least Bombay. But the same question - why ???
    About orientation to the USA. This happened after the October coup, when the Russians left here themselves.

    Really? We read about the Hunchak Party and its Program.

    The program of the Hunchak party was created for a long time. The final version was a more detailed (in contrast to the short versions of 1888 and the beginning of the 90s of the nineteenth century) program developed in 1897 in London. It consisted of sections A, B, which were published, but the section of Western Armenia was not published. In 1909, a separate program was developed for Western Armenia, which operated until 1915.
    Having appeared in the historical arena as a pan-Armenian party, it nonetheless found that, first of all, it should act in Western Armenia, and called on all revolutionary forces to defend Turkish Armenians. This was justified by the fact that two thirds of all Armenians live in Turkey, and the territory on which they live is the largest part of their native land. It was further emphasized that Article 61 of the Berlin Treaty made the issue of the situation of the most significant part of the Armenian people one of the problems of international law, which is recognized by the great European countries. Finally, the difficult political, economic, financial situation of Turkey threatened its sovereignty, which could soon lead to the dismemberment of Turkey and the transfer of Western Armenia to the rule of other countries. Therefore, the struggle for achieving national independence and creating our own state in the form of a parliamentary republic is the main priority task of the entire Armenian people. Only after Western Armenia is liberated, the liberation of all revolutionary Armenian forces will be Russian and Persian Armenia. The creation of these three parts of Armenia socialist decentralized democratic parliamentary republic - this is the strategic goal of the party.

    And finally about this one.
    Earlier, he cited an example of a decade ago - a record of a conversation between the local senior political person with low social responsibility and British diplomats - on his requests to include resolutions against us in PACE they popularly explainedthat Armenia is the priority zone of the Russian Federation, and here they will not be active.

    But isn’t it funny for you to refer to the assurances of Western diplomats? Remind me of something?
    Agreement on the settlement of the political crisis in Ukraine - a document signed by 21 February 2014, the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and the leaders of the parliamentary opposition, mediated by representatives of the European Union. The signing of the Agreement was intended to end the massive bloodshed in Kiev and put an end to the acute political crisis that began in November 2013 in connection with the decision of the Ukrainian authorities to suspend the process of signing the Association Agreement with the European Union.
    The agreement on the settlement of the political crisis was signed by President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and opposition leaders Vitaliy Klichko (UDAR party), Arseniy Yatsenyuk (Batkivshchyna VO) and Oleg Tyagnibok (VV Freedom). The Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Germany and Poland acted as witnesses to the signing - Frank Walter Steinmeier, Radoslaw Sikorsky and Head of the Department of Continental Europe, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the French Republic Eric Fournier (Fr. Éric Fournier). Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Lukin, who also participated in the negotiations, refused to put his signature on the document.

    Well, where did this Agreement appear in a couple of days? In the toilet !!!
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 December 2017 12: 39
      0
      "Semyon Semyonitch? !!" (from) :)
      Sergey Petrovich, well, they wrote in the charter of one of the parties about our all lands, and so what?
      Already quoted the words of the Dashnak Avetik Isayakyan: "... I will not exchange one pair of Russian boots for a thousand wilsons."
      And laugh / don’t laugh at the promises and words of the British - you are not here in Ukraine :) here they have been negotiating with you since 1920 ... even the United States today are cautious in this matter.
  22. Seal
    Seal 5 December 2017 17: 59
    +1
    Quote: Karen
    Or maybe you lied? !! The blood of a Russian soldier was shed in joint actions with the Turks against the Armenians in Nazichevan and Zangezur.

    I agree. You have not lied. You - distorted !!! For both Nakhichevan and Zanzegur are the former parts of the Russian Empire, to which in 1920 Soviet Russia came to the hands of returning these parts of the former Russian Empire to their control. And if the blood of our and Turkish soldiers was shed in Nakhichevan and Zanzegur, then you need to understand that blood was shed in the territory of the former Russian Empire (in the territory of the future USSR). It was the Turks who helped us, not us, to the Turks.
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 December 2017 12: 40
      0
      And you helped them ... so that from Kars it would be easier for them.
  23. Seal
    Seal 5 December 2017 18: 03
    +1
    Quote: Karen
    I won’t give a linksince 30 years have passed since reading.

    And so for the third or fourth time.
    But not even these principles of yours to speak and not confirm, I want to pay attention. Once again, I want to draw attention to the fact that the project was Armenian (with the participation of the Baku-Armenian oil industry). And if the Armenians themselves wanted to merge Sevan into FIG (which meant automatically meant the expulsion of near-Sevan Armenians) - then why should our Tsar be against ??? What, he had no other business but to get into and destroy your inter-Armenian squabbles?
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 December 2017 13: 04
      0
      There is no question of principles ... Earlier I wrote ... a year ago I threw out almost a hundred books and magazines on history. What was at home, or which I gave friends to read, was also a hassle in the search, too lazy ... it will be necessary to sort it out somehow, but this is in a year or two.
      By the way, "Age of Fight" appeared on the Internet, you can read.
      _______
      In Sevan.
      The project was not our ... English engineer.
      The fact that Nikolay put it this way by forced eviction from there and from the Ararat valley (irrigated with water from Sevan) showed his attitude to the issue.
  24. Seal
    Seal 5 December 2017 18: 16
    +1
    Quote: Karen
    In our troops, Nzhdeh, 120 Russian officers fought against the Bolsheviks even from the tsarist army ...

    Why not 1200?
    Although, perhaps, 12-20 people really were.
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 December 2017 13: 12
      0
      Sergey Petrovich, and this is already a bust ... not by numbers, but by form - after all, by numbers I indicate there 120 out of 300 that remained in Armenia.
  25. Seal
    Seal 6 December 2017 12: 50
    0
    Quote: Karen
    According to Ataturk, this is not the son of a Jewish mother, so another drunk would have jumped out of the Zionist cage to solve the problems of their party’s congress

    Excuse me, but do you have an overdose from what you are carrying, well, just utter nonsense?
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 December 2017 14: 05
      0
      It was worse in health than it is in case of an overdose ... I wanted to fix it, but I realized that what you wrote would cause you to evaluate "nonsense", and left ... Now I can tell you, according to your statement, that this is due to our TI actions joined the PMV - TOTAL Nonsense !!!
      Are you interested in what Nikolai said to our Catholicos in the fall?
      That Armenia has a bright future, and He hopes that we will not go the road to Bulgaria, in terms of relations with you ... Nikolai wanted to give us a separation from the Republic of Ingushetia after the war.
      And before this meeting, the Head of the Gendarmerie informed him that with the knowledge of the Viceroy in the Caucasus, the Dashnaks did not engage in revolutionary activity at all and were involved in armed groups for use at the front.
      Read about the proposal of the gendarmes to the Dashnaks to bomb TI leaders in the ARF Biography "Age of Fight"
      _____
      About Zionists and Mustafa I will write later.
  26. Karen
    Karen 17 December 2017 09: 48
    0
    According to Mustafa Kemal.
    He, of course, is not the fruit of group sex of Jewish couples, like his father, Denme, since his mother lived the life of a real Muslim (in this case, it doesn’t matter what nationality she was). You probably know about his alcoholism ... well, he died from cirrhosis of the liver.
    Everyone knows about the valor of Mustafa in the hostilities in the WWII. Now let's talk about his ascent after the surrender of Turkey ...
    France did its best there, and not because of the foreign capital investments in the TI before the WWII, it accounted for the lion's share - 65%. Everything was much more dangerous there - a possible expansion of cooperation between the Turks and Zionist Russia. In France, the Zionists have not yet operated in power, as in Russia, the USA; it’s been known for a long time about the thousand-year interaction of the Zionists and the English elite ... Here the French bought Mustafa from the Bolsheviks with promises about the future ... there would have been Mustafa at that moment, they would have found some Muslim and put him on the political Olympus ... how else Kaiser used to say, "each brand passed to the Turks saves us one soldier." And the British would again deceitfully watch the French arm the Turks against the Greeks and us.
    ... In general, we had a nightmare ... Like today, the Zionist proteges, who wanted to annex Armenia to Turkey, were in power even then.
    ... With all my bad opinion about Pilsudski, I must admit that it was under his leadership that the Poles with French weapons were able to stop the red Zionism machine rushing to Berlin.
    ______
    I will try to find out from astronomers about the son of Victor Hambardzumyan, in order to ask about the American / Zionist battleships plying off the Adan coast in 1914.