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The military decided on drones

The military decided on drones

The newspaper "Izvestia". The Ministry of Defense approved the technical project for the development of the drone UAV of the Ministry of Defense decided on the characteristics of the drone unmanned aerial vehicle and approved the technical task for its creation. Izvestia was told by a high-ranking employee of Transas, which is developing an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), about the beginning of the development of a drone capable of not only conducting reconnaissance, but also delivering missile and bomb strikes.

- We received from the Ministry of Defense a technical task for a new drone. The device will be created on a modular design. Depending on the task, it will be possible to complete it - various types of reconnaissance, photo and video filming, observation of objects and patrols. Including, he will be able to carry weapons, the company's top manager told Izvestia.

Transas will develop electronic onboard systems, control and navigation systems. The glider will create Kazan OKB "Falcon".

Until now, the Ministry of Defense ordered unmanned aerial vehicles of small and middle class, intended primarily for reconnaissance. The only project of the Scat heavy drone drone, developed by the MiG design bureau, was shown as a mockup at the MAKS air show in 2007 and received no further development. A number of Russian companies were developing shock drone projects, but without a technical task from the Ministry of Defense, this work had no meaning.

- We could lead the development of such a UAV, we have all the resources for this. However, without a clear customer position, such work is simply economically unjustified, ”a senior Sukhoi employee told Izvestia.

The press service of the MiG "Izvestia" also reported that they are not working on the shock drone.

Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force, Alexander Zelin, stated that the UAVs would go to the troops by the year of 2020, experts believe that the first vehicles could be ready by the year of the 2016, then their tests would begin.

The developers did not disclose the technical characteristics of the new drone, referring to military secrets, but the chief editor of the Internet portal Denis Fedutinov told Izvestia that this device could compete with two types of foreign UAVs: the first with 800 – 1000 kg, and the second with 4,5 – 5 t.

“Here we can talk about medium-height vehicles of long flight duration, which, in addition to intelligence operations, are often used in the world and for shock purposes,” he explained.

Fedutinov recalled history the emergence of American UAVs of a similar class. Predato was originally created as an intelligence apparatus, but in subsequent versions was armed with two anti-tank missiles. The heavier version, the Reaper, was created as a percussion apparatus capable of carrying a greater number and range of weapons.

Predator developed a maximum speed of 217 km / h, the flight range was 740 km, and the ceiling was more than 18 thousand meters. In flight, the car can be up to 20 hours and carry 1360 kg of cargo. A Reaper is capable of flying more than 7 thousand km and carrying Hellfire air-to-ground missiles to 14. Russian developers will be guided by precisely these characteristics, according to experts surveyed by Izvestia.

According to Fedutinov, the main advantage of the UAV in comparison with tactical missiles is the ability to quickly respond to changing conditions:

- Having launched a rocket, it is impossible to promptly change the trajectory of its flight in the event of a change in the situation. A UAV, having reached the target, can conduct reconnaissance and supplementary exploration and deliver an accurate strike. Such devices are effective for defeating militant groups, especially when they move across areas with difficult terrain. In addition to missiles, they can carry bombs, affect not only manpower, but also equipment and shelters.

In addition to creating a UAV, much attention should be paid to the training of their operators, otherwise non-combat losses of equipment are inevitable.

- During the tests of Israeli drones at the site in Kolomna, at least five cars were lost. The generals wanted to play around with a joystick, although one of the advantages of a UAV is the ability to operate in a fully automatic mode, so they ended up having fun in the end.
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  1. Dmitriy69
    Dmitriy69 April 3 2012 07: 02
    Thank God the ice has broken!
    1. domokl
      domokl April 3 2012 07: 33
      This is the usual Russian-Long harness .... in principle, the gliders are ready-made .. It remains to fill them with electronics and equip them depending on the tasks ...
      1. esaul
        esaul April 3 2012 07: 49
        Quote: domokl
        This is an ordinary Russian-long harness ....

        Hello Sasha. Oh! In this matter, I would not like to be guided by such a proverb - we are too far behind in this area ... The hope that the situation and additional measures will induce the developers to hurry up. I really hope for it. After all, with "Armata" things went, albeit slightly, but - ahead of schedule.
        1. pirate technician
          pirate technician April 3 2012 07: 52
          But it’s not easier to agree on the transfer of UAV technology with Iran, they put short ones. And although it may already be done.
          1. YARY
            YARY April 3 2012 16: 44
            UAV development was carried out in Soviet times , what they are going to implement was begun in the 80s. We did not lag behind and we were simply caught up. If Russia embodies at least a quarter of what the USSR developed, we will go far ahead.
            I am glad that the decision on this has been made!
        2. domokl
          domokl April 3 2012 08: 01
          Quote: esaul
          we are too behind
          Hi Valera! Well, I understand your sorrow, but I can’t agree ... We are not behind, we just have nesting tools as a good master .. Now they will get them and somewhere by the middle of summer they will announce the creation of a Migovsky (most likely) heavy UAV applications .. And for the new year and Sukhoi will pull up medium and small cars .. So we are waiting, sir ... wink
          1. almost demobil
            almost demobil April 3 2012 08: 16
            Damn, the terms are again called such that I want to spit. 2020 year! Yes, in 2020 amers on flying saucers will fly. It would be true, they would have shamelessly stolen something in Chinese from someone, but they would have done it next year. All angry in the morning angry !
            1. urzul
              urzul April 3 2012 09: 18
              Americans, God forbid, God forbid, only the first hundred F-2020 will receive, and then one modification, but they will upgrade the F-35.
            2. Ziksura
              Ziksura April 3 2012 10: 00
              Quote: almost demobilized
              Yes, in 2020 amers on flying saucers will fly.

              Could fly a long time would fly - 8 years for the emergence, implementation and adoption of breakthrough technologies, the period is short. Yes and no, scientists now have nothing breakthrough, only projects about intentions and intentions for projects.

              Although the Americans fly on plates, they fly, and fly without plates, after the arrival of the next transporter from Afghanistan.
              Quote: almost demobilized
              It would be true, they would have shamelessly stolen something in Chinese from someone, but they would have done it next year.

              Firstly, who said that they did not steal. And secondly, we don't need Chinese. Think at your leisure about such a phenomenon: the possibility of interception of control of a UAV. Especially if it is completely created in the image and likeness of your "native". The scout is not so scary, but the combat one? Even in peacetime, bomb the civilian population in order to close the competitor's program on a wave of discontent.
              1. almost demobil
                almost demobil April 3 2012 12: 11
                Regarding the interception of control, the problem is decisive. Our programmers are not the worst. I read somewhere that now the most advanced programmers are Russians, Ukrainians and Chinese. And if you bomb the civilian population of a likely adversary, there will be no wave of discontent lol
        3. Sergh
          Sergh April 3 2012 10: 45
          Yeah, Valera, right now there was a purge from Chkaldy, four 34s are being prepared. on approach or on roll ...
    2. vadimus
      vadimus April 3 2012 09: 14
      It’s high time, but to suit the weather conditions, they’re severe in our hearts ...
      1. 755962
        755962 April 3 2012 21: 29
        The generals wanted to play with the joystick

        As a result, 5 UAVs were lost. Of course, in childhood they did not play enough. Marasmus in a word.
    APASUS April 3 2012 07: 09
    . The Ministry of Defense approved the terms of reference for the development of strike UAVs The Ministry of Defense determined the characteristics of the strike unmanned aerial vehicle

    Oh, and our Defense Ministry thinks and determines for a long time both in UAVs and in Armata. Doesn’t there remain any sensible generals in the General Staff or what ??
    1. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 April 3 2012 07: 19
      Harnessed for a long time, maybe now, according to the Russian tradition, they will go fast good
      1. Sergh
        Sergh April 3 2012 08: 14
        ... The generals wanted to play with the joystick ...

        He worked about two years ago in GUFIN, since the captain in the computer was generally more ignoramus, it reached the point of absurdity, like they didn't call the printer, but the thing is, they forgot to turn on the power outlet and I fell into the car for twenty kilometers at 7-00 in the morning I drove them plugged in (it turns out like this) into a socket, by itself with mats and other phrasiologisms until I found a young assistant there, dragged me at least in small things, the problem disappeared. He called me, I stupidly on the phone for about an hour or on a remote help. In short, not soon the idiots will be removed from the army, I am sure.
        And I like the direction, I’d do it myself. Many of the inches translated into metric drawings.
    2. domokl
      domokl April 3 2012 07: 35
      There are a lot of generals, and there are many engineers .. Only here are the personnel who decide everything in life were engaged more in the production of stools and sofas ... winked
      1. yorik_gagarin
        yorik_gagarin April 3 2012 10: 04
        where are there many engineers?
    3. aksakal
      aksakal April 3 2012 08: 19
      Quote: APASUS
      Oh, and our Defense Ministry thinks and determines for a long time both in UAVs and in Armata. Doesn’t there remain any sensible generals in the General Staff or what ??

      - I congratulate you on the recent assignment of your next military rank, Apapsus smile You have joined their ranks smile
      And if it's no joke, yes, we have already written a lot about this both here and in the media. We need to do something with these inert generals. I will never forget the story of the abandonment of ERA of tanks in the late 60s - early 70s. After all, the USSR was the first in this matter. The generals put it on the back burner - after all, this is not in the charter. A roast rooster pecked in the Syrian-Israeli war. The Syrians then seriously charged for the then newest T-72 tank, which was losing a duel to Israel's Sherman! To figure it out, it took a live Israeli tank. A whole complex special operation was carried out to extract it, there were many victims. When they got it and took it apart, they gasped. Yes, on that "Sherman" was used the same remote control that the USSR was the first to develop! I still don’t understand why none of the generals who made decisions on this topic went to fulfill their international duty in this very Syria. That's just on this topic. The first UAV was created by Tupolev - we saw it. The first full-fledged drone (with the possibility of automatic landing) is again the USSR. Remember the famous "Buran"? Again we are the first and again we are in the very tail !!! Guys, it's not funny anymore am am am am am
      I just demand from Putin and from Rogozin the development of a tough, no, cruel, or even no, just a sadistic repressive apparatus against the generals! angry If he screwed up like that that where we occupied the leading positions, we ended up in the tail there, then whatever it seemed to him a little !!!! Stalin did just that! He said - every mistake has a specific name and a specific surname, and I want to know this error for correction. And he corrected. And it worked !!! It is now here with regret that we write about Tukhachevsky, about someone else. And these guys screwed up, and they were "corrected" for the edification of other generals! The result is a victory over a very strong opponent! I would gladly do this now with all these brothers from the General Staff, all these Makarov-Popovkin, damn dilettantes (eh, you can't say harsher, the moderator will punish! am
    4. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 3 2012 08: 26
      Explanatory troops are sent, and stupid kids go to exhibitions abroad to play with a joystick! Is a combat officer in the headquarters needed.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 3 2012 21: 00
        Quote: sergo0000
        ! Is a combat officer in the headquarters needed.

        So the trouble is that these stupid people do not know what a tank or UAV is and what requirements they need to put forward a riddle.
  3. kuzmich
    kuzmich April 3 2012 07: 10
    8 years to wait, we have a normal military-industrial complex request
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura April 3 2012 10: 19
      Quote: kuzmich
      8 years to wait, we have a normal military-industrial complex

      If you think that the drone UAV is a radio-controlled model with a bomb, then you are right, but if it is a high-tech promising type of weaponry then ... I'm sure you understand me. Moreover, do not forget it is not from one type of apparatus. And not 8 years, but 4 read carefully, ready-made samples for 2016. And a very important point that everyone misses for some reason is the element base for electronic filling we will tighten only after 2-3 years (alas, but there has always been a lag).

      The fact that a quick slap is not a fact that it will really help in a real war.
  4. Vanek
    Vanek April 3 2012 07: 11
    And who knows, maybe it will. It will turn out well. Will not work ..............
    But why should it actually fail?
    Good luck in the development !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  5. alex21411
    alex21411 April 3 2012 07: 14
    It is necessary not to focus on their characteristics when creating an UAV, but to create their own, so that they focus on us, and catch up ...
    1. domokl
      domokl April 3 2012 07: 38
      And where did you get that we focus on their devices? It's just that now the work is already inferior to Western, especially Israeli UAVs ... And for the Russian, much higher goals have been set ... But the benchmark is still for now, I repeat, for now, are the best foreign cars ..
      1. alex21411
        alex21411 April 3 2012 08: 54
        Alexander, I took this from the same article "It is on such characteristics that Russian developers will be guided", and not only from here, even our UAV developers agree with this ... But I think that it is surmountable, not from such anus climbed out laughing
  6. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych April 3 2012 07: 28
    Why is it necessary to focus on already quite old western drones? While they create their own, new ones will appear in the West - and again, Russia in the anus?
    So many years of deliberation - you could formulate your own requirements for this class of aircraft ...
  7. Tersky
    Tersky April 3 2012 07: 29
    author- During the tests of Israeli drones at the Kolomna training ground, at least five vehicles were lost. The generals wanted to play with the joystick, although one of the advantages of the UAV was the ability to operate in fully automatic mode, so they eventually flew fun. It would be better to play with your Faberge, you look fewer morons in the world.
  8. patriot2
    patriot2 April 3 2012 07: 30
    The goals are clear, the tasks are set. Go VPK!
    Article + smile
  9. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 3 2012 07: 35
    We’ll be late to regret, but I think the terms will be re-reviewed. I’ve hit it in principle, and maybe Rogozin will give someone a kick

    The people, by the way, who has the info on su -39?
  10. Vanek
    Vanek April 3 2012 07: 39
    Su 39 (Su-25TM)

    Developer: Sukhoi Design Bureau
    Country: Russia
    First flight: 1995
    Type: Anti-tank attack aircraft
  11. Igor
    Igor April 3 2012 07: 49
    Reaper is capable of flying more than 7 thousand km and carrying up to 14 Hellfire air-to-ground missiles. It is precisely on such characteristics that Russian developers will be guided, say experts polled by Izvestia.

    Dreaming is not bad, after 20 years of stagnation.

    Air Force Commander Alexander Zelin said that UAVs will enter the troops by 2020

    20 years to invent UAV shame!
  12. itr
    itr April 3 2012 07: 51
    The military decided on drones - drones must be unmanned. They should already fly a Finger and they just decided.
    I recalled a phrase from a joke. Guys it's time to decide the third time ,,,,,,,,,, suck! laughing
  13. Tatar-in
    Tatar-in April 3 2012 08: 13
    Everything is simple here - it should be faster, further, higher, carry more weapons, and determine the target faster. And which is not unimportant, when you lose contact with the center, returning to the base yourself ...
  14. taseka
    taseka April 3 2012 09: 36
    A drone, that's good, but it's time to think about assault sights, too. Nato has been running with them for 10 for years!
    And we have only special forces!
  15. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 3 2012 09: 37
    By 2020, either the emir will die or the donkey will die.
  16. PabloMsk
    PabloMsk April 3 2012 09: 45
    We don’t learn anything .... tin.

    How many years have you tried to save the Russian auto industry remember?
    20 years soared until everything by itself died :)
    But you could just immediately open the country to foreign automakers ...
    Lobby, lobby ....

    No need to reinvent the wheel, since others have already invented it.
    Buy a license for production and produce.
    Learn best practices and think about how to improve the product.
    Won Mistral bought and wonderful.
    Let our sailors resemble at least normal ships.
    It’s like serving on a Lada, and then transfer to Merce - beauty!
    1. urzul
      urzul April 3 2012 10: 00
      And where is the auto industry then Pavel died !? There are new models, and there is great demand for them. On GRANT, the turn of 3 months, he was in shock;)
      The funny thing is that it is cheaper than 13, 14 and 15 with the best features. At the end of the year should still show a new crossover.
  17. Igor
    Igor April 3 2012 10: 37
    Quote: PabloMsk
    20 years soared until everything by itself died :)

    It’s not dead! The life of AvtoTAZ is supported artificially, since involuntary euthanasia is prohibited without the consent of the patient!
  18. Hey
    Hey April 3 2012 12: 58
    In the whole history of UAVs, why the military is in no hurry, I see two reasons:
    1. Communication and control channels.
    At this stage, our communication facilities are not able to provide the necessary amount of transmitted data from (to) UAVs.
    And in the case of hostilities, when part of the communications equipment will be disabled, the more they will not ensure their full use.
    2. Navigation.
    There is very little hope for GLONAS, much less for GPS (in the case of a serious mess). Navigating in other ways is not perfect.
    Until these problems are resolved, our military is doing the right thing in no hurry, but the base is slowly being let down.
    1. pinachet
      pinachet April 3 2012 16: 26
      you slightly exaggerate.
      communication and control channels have existed for a very long time .. how do you think a rocket from 300 is controlled? and it is controlled through communication channels that it hasn’t been possible to open so far and it’s not alone there anymore .. and they automatically change.
      about glonas — he worked normally in the troops (air defense) already in 2007. he personally saw and touched a military portable receiver .. in a rugged, dust and water tight housing, it could be dropped onto concrete from a meter.
      And yet, the "blizzard" landed without such a glonas gps and it was in the late 80s.
      so those who at one time did not appreciate it (UAVs), as well as the devastation of 90xx are to blame