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The speculative economy is death

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In the Soviet Union, electricity cost a penny - in the literal sense of the word




At the same time, the Soviet Union built SUCH number of SUCH power plants, that any construction today compared to that - ashes and ashes.
It is enough to recall how under Soviet rule such powerful rivers as the Volga and the Dnieper, turned into a continuous chain of freshwater seas, thanks to continuous cascades of hydroelectric power plants.
As for nuclear power, the Bilibino NPP was built even in far Chukotka.
At the same time, I repeat - electricity cost a penny.

Today, electricity is worth rubles. Big rubles.
This is despite the fact that the state is investing immeasurably less money in the construction of new power plants than the Soviet Union - basically completing the construction of what was almost already built under Soviet rule.
And why?..
Because the direct producers of electricity - stuck a huge number of leeches, in the face of various companies that do not produce electricity themselves, simply profit from "intermediary" pseudo-services. This, to put it simply - swindlers, crooks, extortionists.
And this huge difference between the prices of electricity of the Soviet era and today’s is not the construction of new power plants. She settles in the pockets of zahrebniki, scammers, who have a place at the camp bucket.

When electricity is paid for the construction of new power plants - this is the economy.
When the payment for electricity goes into the pockets to the crooks - this is an evil caricature, a parody of the economy.

The economy is when people are paid big salaries, pensions, scholarships, benefits.
After all, working his salary, the old man his pension, his student scholarship, the unemployed, his allowance does not drag him to a Swiss bank. They will buy something for this money. So - they will invest in the economy. And the more they will have money - the more they will make purchases. So - more will be the contribution of funds to the economy. Consequently, trade and production will expand, new jobs will appear, wages will increase. Therefore, the number of purchases will increase even more, more funds will be invested in the economy. And so, "in a spiral", up. Money begets money. Paying large salaries, pensions, scholarships, benefits - the state does not lose these funds. It simply shifts them, from one of its own - to another (its own) pocket. At the same time, on the way “from pocket to pocket”, these funds “twist” the economy - just like the current river turns the blades of mills and turbines of hydroelectric power stations.

And vice versa: the less salaries, pensions, scholarships and benefits - the less money in the hands of the population. So - less purchases, less invested in the economy. As a result, trade stops, industry stops, the number of jobs is reduced, wages are cut. This means that there are even less purchases, and even less investment in the economy. And so, "in a helix," down. Lack of funds generates an even greater deficiency.

Money should not be a dead weight - they should be invested in the economy. Money is the blood of the economy. The more blood (money) in the body (in the state) - the healthier the body (the more stable the economy, the more developed the state). At the same time, it is important that the blood (funds) freely reach the smallest capillaries (smoothly reach the poorest and socially vulnerable segments of the population). If you block the free access of blood to the most insignificant part of the body (for example, drag the little finger on the leg with a harness), this will not be a reasonable saving of blood. It will be a madness that will cause infection - capable, ultimately, of killing the whole body. Similarly, if funds are no longer available to the most "insignificant" members of society, this is not a reasonable saving of money. This is madness, which is fraught with grave consequences for the entire state.

If blood accumulates in any one place of the body (that is, if money is accumulated in the hands of a few billionaires), this is a hematoma, nothing good can come from the body (the state).
And if blood is gushing from an open vein in a fountain (that is, if money flows are transferred somewhere to offshore banks), this is a death for the body (for the whole economy and the state itself). The blood spilled on the ground is lost to the body. Money transferred abroad is practically lost for the state. What is the difference - to whom they belong there formally? The main thing - whose economy they "twist" in fact.

Therefore, it is important, it is very important that as much money as possible is given to workers, retirees, students and the unemployed - and as little as possible they remain in the accounts of the oligarchs.
It is extremely important: to teach and treat people for free, invest in a person, try not to break or crush him, but on the contrary - to help him straighten out and become a PERSON, a worthy, self-respecting individual. The contribution of funds to a person is not a whim or an act of mercy. This is the most profitable investment, the most profitable business.

But when the state allows all sorts of crooks to squeeze all the juice out of the population (and not in favor of the state as such, but into the personal pocket of rogues) - this is not the economy. This, to put it mildly - fuck on a stick.

I, in general, support Putin - because I had suffered in the nineties.
But Putin, with all his advantages and abilities, cannot grasp the immensity. He cannot know and understand correctly ALL, without exception.
Apparently, he does not understand that such a basic foundation of the modern economy as electricity is MUST be publicly available. In the sense - electricity should be cheap. VERY CHEAP.
Lenin understood this even more - at the dawn of the electrification of our country, when there were not yet any Dnieproges.
Speculative "services" rendered through third parties are not an economy. This is PARASITIZING.

Of course, all of the above applies not only to electricity tariffs.
In Russia, a large part of the economy (if it is permissible to call it economy at all) is SPECULATIVE.
Just at the moment, we are talking specifically about electricity tariffs - which are formed solely from the bald, strictly depending on the degree of arrogance of speculators, and also depending on how much the local regional authorities allow speculators to roam.

One must understand that simple, elementary truth that speculation is not a business. The speculator is NOT a businessman.
Speculators are scum, rust, mucus, scab, microbes.
Speculation is that in any normal states where a full-fledged economy prevails - it is scraped to shine, uprooted by the roots, it is crushed to the state of a wet spot.

A speculator is a criminal.

In the late USSR, an entire generation of home-grown pseudo-economists (such as Chubais, Gaidar, Berezovsky) grew up, fans of that model of capitalism that was outdated 100 years ago.
The “capitalism” of the Gaidar-Chubais sample is that “capitalism”, according to the canons of which they live in Haiti and in Papua New Guinea.

I often hear the question: "Why is Russia, so huge, so rich in resources, so sparsely populated - so bad, poor lives?"
I answer: Because the Russian economy is a pseudo-economy of the speculative type, in which the direct producer of the product receives much less money than all kinds of middlemen-dealers-speculators. And the consumer has to pay not so much the producers as the speculators as intermediaries.

Have you ever wondered why the Soviet Union in the years of the NEP, as well as China after the start of its reforms, rose as quickly as if by leaps and bounds? Why is today's Russia failing to rise so quickly?
Because the Soviet economy of the times of the NEP, as well as the economy of modern China, is mainly a productive economy. While the pseudo-economy of modern Russia is predominantly SPECULATIVE.
What is called: one with a bipod - seven with a spoon.
At the same time, those with a spoon also interfere as much as they can, with all their might, the one with the bipod.

And as long as this system does not fundamentally change, as long as speculators in Russia are in the front ranks, in pride and honor, Russia will not be a great economic empire.
Here is China - really became the Great Economic Empire.
Japan, South Korea, Germany are actively pursuing this.
And Russia, with all the enmity of its leadership, today is just a noticeable regional power. And nothing more.
Of course, any Ukraine, Georgia, Honduras or Guatemala - live even worse. But this cannot be a consolation or an excuse for us.

Russia will become a real empire only after it becomes an economic empire.
And it will become an economic empire only after its leadership realizes that speculative capital is a weight on the feet of the state.
Or, after an unconscious, unaware of elementary things leadership - will be pushed aside by those who understand the basics of the economy.
A speculative economy is the way to the abyss.
In an economic EMPIRE (as opposed to an economic COLONIA), the economy must be PRODUCTIVE.
In honor should be the one with the bipod.
And those with a spoon should be in the pen.

In the Soviet Union, dissidents offended snuffled: "Something physicists in honor, something lyricists in the pen ..."
However, in fairness it should be noted that it was physicists who created something tangible. And the lyricists only bleated: “Let’s hold hands, friends ...” And at the same time, they didn’t hurry to hold hands ...

In general - the economy is the basis of everything. Being determines consciousness.
And our economy today is wrong.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 24 November 2017 05: 50 New
    +8
    At the same time, I repeat - electricity cost a penny.
    Today, electricity is worth rubles. Big rubles.

    This is Chubais so reformed the electricity industry!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 November 2017 06: 12 New
      14
      Chubais? He did what they ALLOWED him. Who was he? Nobody! But he got in with his suggestions. And then the leadership raised him with his Amerz curators to Hurray! So he is a consequence, not a cause.
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      At the same time, I repeat - electricity cost a penny.
      Today, electricity is worth rubles. Big rubles.

      This is Chubais so reformed the electricity industry!
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 24 November 2017 06: 16 New
        15
        Chubais + Gaidar + Burbulis + Berezovsky and the main godfather B.N. Yeltsin! Well, curators from across the ocean only rubbed their sweaty hands and praised our "democracy"!
        1. Buffet
          Buffet 24 November 2017 12: 36 New
          +5
          This is all of course beautiful. And what needs to be done in order to leave this system? And what exactly does the author do for this? And then talking on the couch about this is painfully good.
      2. Stepan Kudinov
        Stepan Kudinov 24 November 2017 10: 02 New
        +4
        I apologize, they did NOT ALLOW, but ORDERED, in my opinion this is a significant difference. And ordered those who brought all this riffraff to the helm of power.
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 November 2017 11: 17 New
        18
        Quote: 210ox
        Chubais? He did what they ALLOWED him. Who was he? Nobody! But he got in with his suggestions. And then the leadership raised him with his Amerz curators to Hurray! So he is a consequence, not a cause.

        At the time of the squandering of RAO UES, the president of the Russian Federation was Vladimir Putin.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 24 November 2017 18: 23 New
          +2
          And why didn’t you remember who introduced Putin into the leadership? Is it not Sobchak?
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: 210ox
          Chubais? He did what they ALLOWED him. Who was he? Nobody! But he got in with his suggestions. And then the leadership raised him with his Amerz curators to Hurray! So he is a consequence, not a cause.

          At the time of the squandering of RAO UES, the president of the Russian Federation was Vladimir Putin.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 24 November 2017 18: 55 New
            +7
            Quote: 210ox
            And why didn’t you remember who introduced Putin into the leadership? Is it not Sobchak?

            Well, it depends on which guide? If the Leningrad is a dog, and if the federal, then not him.
            They went with one dog under one article. Subsequently, Novaya Gazeta demonstrated by examples that St. Petersburg figures involved in the same criminal cases with Putin (including Alexei Kudrin, German Gref, Mikhail Lesin) made successful careers during his presidency.
            Case No. 144128 The investigation was led by Colonel of Justice Andrei Zykov.
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 24 November 2017 08: 49 New
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      A very correct article. Problems arose because there was a sweeping introduction of the market into everything that was possible and what was impossible. But any method has its own field of application, where it is effective, and where it becomes a brake. The market works in trade, but in the energy sector, communal services, marketness is evil. Water utilities, sewage treatment plants, landfills, became private. A private trader needs a profit, so he saves on repairs, staff salaries, and puts money in his pocket for water, for light. Raising tariffs is useless, as pockets are bottomless. Return the RAO EU, then the tariffs will drop, and there will be no accidents like “Sayano-Shushenskaya”.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 25 November 2017 15: 51 New
        +2
        Very correct article. - nick7

        The article is really correct, just mentioning “the king is good, the boyars are bad” is superfluous, wrong.
        Today’s organization of the economy, as a liberal system of organization, after 18 years of V.V. Putin’s power, is his “fortified” brainchild, and there is no need to make unnecessary curtsies, the author pretending that you do not understand this.
        And so the article is good and necessary!
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 24 November 2017 09: 18 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      This is Chubais so reformed the electricity industry!

      Probably someone let him do this ?!
      But Putin, with all his advantages and abilities, cannot grasp the immensity. He cannot know and understand correctly ALL, without exception.

      And the "dimon" whose protégé? EVERYTHING is impossible to know and be able to! To do this, create a "team" and Putin created it, placing "their" vertical power.
      Our Guarantor has played in the games of foreign policy, in fact throwing the country's economy and internal problems, which accumulate from year to year, to the mercy of their "homies". hi
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 24 November 2017 09: 44 New
      +9
      This is Chubais so reformed the electricity industry!
      Obama appointed him to this position?
    5. Victor N
      Victor N 24 November 2017 14: 20 New
      +3
      Emotions and slogans. There are no offers. In the USSR, salaries were low, only for living, especially for engineers. Low capital investment. created capacities are underutilized.
      As Stalin said: we have no other economists for you.
      What structures are superfluous, speculative: generating, transmitting, distributing?
      Not serious!
      1. groks
        groks 24 November 2017 18: 16 New
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        Emotions and slogans. There are no offers. In the USSR, salaries were low, only for living, especially for engineers

        To eat! As an adjustment engineer, I was too lazy to get vacation pay before vacation, because for this I had to go to the office. And I had enough for the whole family to travel along the route Khabarovsk-Moscow-Voronezh-Lugansk-Moscow-Khabarovsk
        .
        You bullied already - gentlemen anti-advisers.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 24 November 2017 21: 43 New
          0
          Quote: groks
          And I had enough for the whole family to travel along the route Khabarovsk-Moscow-Voronezh-Lugansk-Moscow-Khabarovsk

          bullshit
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          2. Cossack 471
            Cossack 471 26 November 2017 21: 26 New
            +2
            He served on the Kola Peninsula. lt received 250 rubles. ticket from Murmansk to Rostov --53 rubles for the wife. Any questions ?
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 27 November 2017 20: 56 New
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              Quote: Cossack 471
              Any questions ?

              there, 53 + 53 = 106 almost half the salary, and also eat, take a walk (leave after all), buy that thread ... you can’t walk out. And then, how long has it been? 250 re for flying from the Arctic is not enough, and the wife must go on the air traffic rules, you are not the "daughter of a Crimean officer"?
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 28 November 2017 09: 08 New
                +1
                And then, how long has it been? 250 pe for flying from the Arctic is not enough, - verner1967

                How little? And what about the northern allowances? Here in Transbaikalia, 6 thousand km to Moscow, the lieutenant received 215 rubles without any northern, plus a food ration. This is the middle of the 70s. Normally believed a decent balance of monthly expenses went on vacation.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 28 November 2017 19: 56 New
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                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  And what about the northern allowances?

                  so I say a little, I got 255 without the north
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 30 November 2017 08: 52 New
                    0
                    And what about the northern allowances? - verner1967

                    So in Transbaikalia there were no northern allowances.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 30 November 2017 18: 58 New
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                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      So in Transbaikalia

                      Quote: Cossack 471
                      He served on the Kola Peninsula

                      what
      2. Ivan58
        Ivan58 24 November 2017 21: 00 New
        +2
        Energy sales. Which is not responsible for anything. Only for collecting money.
      3. Dedall
        Dedall 25 November 2017 20: 42 New
        +5
        In 84-87 years, I had enough medical salary to eat normally, have fun, and even once a year to go to rest. True, I could do this in my student days, when my increased scholarship was 60 rubles, and even part-time jobs. And after the institute of duty in combination, I took only to raise my tone - 3-4 per month. Now this is my full second rate, because the doctor’s salary is 8000 rubles.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 26 November 2017 18: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Dedall
          enough salary to eat normally, have fun

          Well this is understandable, but for life? A more or less decent furniture set - 750 re, excluding "on the paw", a TV - the same amount, a kitchen set ... although, if you live on a stool and also
          Quote: Dedall
          eat-have fun

          then of course
        2. your1970
          your1970 26 November 2017 20: 24 New
          0
          scholarships (29.95 rubles) - I had enough to have lunch in Moscow (1987) in a dumplings-2voynaya with vinegar, bun, compote. How did you manage to eat better - to have fun - for me, it’s an intrigue .. except that your part-time jobs were 150 rubles ....
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 27 November 2017 16: 39 New
            0
            scholarships (29.95 rubles) - I had enough to dine in Moscow (1987) in dumplings - 2 double with vinegar - mine1970

            Where did you get such small scholarships? I studied from 1969 to 1974, already then the scholarships were 35 rubles, and since 1972, after raising them, they became 45 rubles in technical specialties of universities.
            And dumplings ..., one with broth and mustard for black bread for the first, and a double portion with sour cream for the second, with vodka for four friends of classmates, and compote in addition, after passing the exam successfully - this is a song. Now there are no such dumplings in quality and selection, for only 1 ruble 10 kopecks, not counting one bottle of vodka for four, brought with me.
            And in the semester, as I recall, they threw off 10 rubles into a common boiler for a room of four and cooked alternately. There really wasn’t time for dumplings, at best sometimes a student canteen once a day for 70-80 cents with a standard set - the first, second and third.
            So, of course, they didn’t show off, but it was possible to live if the parents added 10 rubles more.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 November 2017 06: 05 New
    +8
    In the Soviet Union, electricity cost a penny - in the literal sense of the word
    Well, there was communism. To each according to his needs.
    Now the capacities are left, there are half of the consumers of ElEn ...... And where is ElEn flowing?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 November 2017 06: 13 New
      +3
      But his birthplace wasn’t just there! Read the primary sources. And what about where it flows away? Yes, the stations work at such a power that is declared and connected. Laws of physics.
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      In the Soviet Union, electricity cost a penny - in the literal sense of the word
      Well, there was communism. To each according to his needs.
      Now the capacities are left, there are half of the consumers of ElEn ...... And where is ElEn flowing?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 24 November 2017 06: 24 New
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        But his birthplace wasn’t just there! Read the primary sources. And what about where it flows away? Yes, the stations work at such a power that is declared and connected. Laws of physics.
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        In the Soviet Union, electricity cost a penny - in the literal sense of the word
        Well, there was communism. To each according to his needs.
        Now the capacities are left, there are half of the consumers of ElEn ...... And where is ElEn flowing?

        So I say: Tryndet is not necessary. Everything is flowing abroad, at the export price. And they twist it from us.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 24 November 2017 06: 46 New
          +3
          I worked at a power plant in the 90s. The working power was halved. I don’t argue that energy is being sold abroad. It’s right. Let's refuse, stop working and sit on a chair exactly. It’s not for sale and the fact that it is necessary to introduce and build new capacities.
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: 210ox
          But his birthplace wasn’t just there! Read the primary sources. And what about where it flows away? Yes, the stations work at such a power that is declared and connected. Laws of physics.
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          In the Soviet Union, electricity cost a penny - in the literal sense of the word
          Well, there was communism. To each according to his needs.
          Now the capacities are left, there are half of the consumers of ElEn ...... And where is ElEn flowing?

          So I say: Tryndet is not necessary. Everything is flowing abroad, at the export price. And they twist it from us.
        2. Victor N
          Victor N 24 November 2017 14: 24 New
          +1
          See energy balance.
          Can it be that Chubais supplies itself at a loss with electricity abroad?
          1. Ivan58
            Ivan58 24 November 2017 21: 01 New
            0
            and Chubais has not delivered for a long time.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 24 November 2017 08: 52 New
      13
      The Communists who came to power in 1917 made an industrial superpower out of a backward agrarian country. By GOERLO plan plus electrification of the whole country.
      The oligarch who came to power in the 90s turned this plan back. By reforming the electric power industry and RAO UES of Chubais.
      I will give excerpts for 2012. Since then, nothing has changed.
      . it is more profitable to buy electricity in China, where the SSHHPP supplies it.
      Export prices for the Middle Kingdom are 0,42 kopecks per kW, and for the republic - from 2,9 to 3,4 rubles.
      That is, the current owners sell electricity to China for nothing, pushing up domestic prices. Naturally, in such conditions, Russian enterprises cannot compete on equal terms with Chinese! What, incidentally, is crippled by this, the oligarch Deripaska, the owner of aluminum plants consuming a huge amount of electricity.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 November 2017 11: 22 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        That is, the current owners

        "Therefore, it is more difficult for anyone who comes to power with the help of the nobility to maintain power than for someone whom the people have brought to power, because if a sovereign is surrounded by a nobility that considers himself equal to him, he can neither order nor have an independent course of action. Whereas the one whom the people have brought to power rules alone and there is nobody around him who almost doesn’t want to obey him. as a people, the goal is more honest than that of the nobility: the people want to oppress the people, but the people do not want to be oppressed. Moreover, there is nothing you can do about the hostile people, because they are numerous, but you can do with the nobility, because they are few. at worst, he will turn his back on the sovereign, while one can expect from a hostile nobility not only to turn his back on the sovereign, but even go against him, for she is far-sighted, more cunning, looking ahead of time for ways to salvation and fawns on who is stronger. And add I mean that the sovereign is not free to choose the people, but free to choose to know, for his right to punish and pardon, bring closer or disgrace. "
        Nicolo Machiavelli - His Grace Lorenzo dei Medici
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 24 November 2017 09: 07 New
      15
      The already forgotten tragedy at the Sayano-Shushenskaya power plant occurred because repairs and maintenance are losses for the privatizer privatizer, and losses need to be reduced. The coolest method of energy economy for efficiency, for a country where there are 6 months of cold and 9 time zones each, is a single energy system, without any market, without intermediaries and speculators. It is necessary to return the RAO EU, but alas, it is impossible, therefore, tariffs will increase, accidents will increase, and large-scale accidents will also happen.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 November 2017 09: 52 New
        +4
        The UES of the country, our people then built with blood for more than a decade ... We were torn apart to generate, sell, transport, control. Firms and firms, women of honor and drinking companions .. That’s how tragedies happen.
        Quote: nickname7
        The already forgotten tragedy at the Sayano-Shushenskaya power plant occurred because repairs and maintenance are losses for the privatizer privatizer, and losses need to be reduced. The coolest method of energy economy for efficiency, for a country where there are 6 months of cold and 9 time zones each, is a single energy system, without any market, without intermediaries and speculators. It is necessary to return the RAO EU, but alas, it is impossible, therefore, tariffs will increase, accidents will increase, and large-scale accidents will also happen.
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 24 November 2017 10: 37 New
          +5
          I don’t argue that energy is being sold abroad. It’s right. Let’s give up, stop working and sit on a chair exactly. It’s not El Al's sale (in your opinion), but the fact that you need to commission and build new capacities.
          Ugh you. I say that from us, living people, world prices are turned upside down, for ElEn. You’ll at least save money, but personal consumption will be 3 times more than in Europe. With our RFP and P.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 November 2017 10: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: nickname7
        It is necessary to return the RAO EU, but alas, it is impossible, therefore, tariffs will increase, accidents will increase, and large-scale accidents will also happen.

        Do you mean under the current government?
        But Viktor Kudryavy, at one of the speeches, said that the restoration of RAO UES is possible, but again not with the current managers.
  3. vlad007
    vlad007 24 November 2017 06: 19 New
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    The topic is interesting, but the article does not contain figures and specific examples - it would be interesting to know how much electricity costs in other countries, how much electricity is currently being generated. energy per capita and compare these numbers with the USSR, etc. The article has little specific information. How much does the average family pay for email. energy per month, how much is the family budget, etc.
    Chubais, of course, is a scoundrel, but everyone knows that.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 24 November 2017 06: 50 New
      +8
      With payments for communal services from 6 to 8 thousand, with heating, more than 2 thousand for electricity!
    2. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 24 November 2017 07: 00 New
      18
      Figures can be from the evil one. For example, cf. s / n 1mn and 8tys.- the average 504 thousand. But to make it clear I will give an example. In the USSR, payment for odnushka-5r. 25kop.MROT 90 rub.th.e. 5,8%, now 2500 with a minimum wage of 8000, i.e. 31,2%, these are real numbers. Feel the difference. In the USSR, leaders received more than the most skilled rank-and-file, but every 5 times, while in statistics the salaries of managers were a separate column, and now the wage bill is divided by the number of employees, as a result of the type of average temperature in the hospital. if 100 workers receive 10 thousand each, 10 managers 200 thousand each, then the average is 27 thousand, although workers are in poverty. I don’t want to talk about salaries of effective managers. The housing and communal services figures brought real in one place.
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 24 November 2017 08: 14 New
        +7
        not so long ago, one of the directors of AvtoVAZ paid one and a half billion rubles.
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 07: 28 New
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      Quote: vlad007
      it would be interesting to know how much electricity costs in other countries


      Quote: vlad007
      how much email is being produced right now energy per capita and compare these numbers with the USSR

      Compare Russia with the USSR-this is something ...
      Quote: vlad007
      How much does the average family pay for email. energy per month

      Who is how.
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      more than 2 thousand for electricity

      Curly live. I have 800 (they charge “theoretically”, I pay, when recalculating it usually turns out that I overpaid. Moscow Region, an “electric house”, without gas, that is).
      Quote: vlad007
      how much is the family budget

      Heavily dependent on family budget ...
      1. solzh
        solzh 24 November 2017 08: 38 New
        +6
        I have 800 (they charge “theoretically”, I pay, when recalculating it usually turns out that I overpaid. Moscow Region, an “electric house”, without gas, that is).

        I live in Ulyanovsk. Price per kilowatt 2,49. The maximum for a month I get 100 kW. You are right er 2000 rub. for electricity a lot, if not a legal entity.
        1. Burbon
          Burbon 24 November 2017 08: 58 New
          +8
          Quote: solzh
          I live in Ulyanovsk. Price per kilowatt 2,49.

          N Novgorod, the day the social norm is 3.58, the excess is 6.88 (the social norm is 50 kV / h on prescribed), the night the social norm is 1.75, the excess is 3.59 ... and it is not clear how these social norms divide above. ... even if it’s a total of 80 kilos per month, you pay for all these items (two are registered) I live in a high-rise building, the house is gasified.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 24 November 2017 09: 42 New
            +9
            Quote: Burbon
            Price per kilowatt 2,49.

            We have more than 4 rubles per kW .. 500 kW per month, like from a bush, even if you don’t have it, don’t watch TV, don’t turn on the computer, don’t use titanium, and don’t turn on the light!
            1. Burbon
              Burbon 24 November 2017 10: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Quote: Burbon
              Price per kilowatt 2,49.
              We have more than 4 rubles per kW ..

              Well, firstly, I didn’t write that in our city of Novgorod 2.49 is in Ulyanovsk, and secondly, what city is it with you?
          2. solzh
            solzh 24 November 2017 10: 55 New
            0
            I forgot to add that I live in a house with an electric stove without gas
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 24 November 2017 12: 05 New
              +2
              Yesterday Mosenergosbyt paid 1071 rubles for a month. In the house there is an electric stove, there is no time to watch the box, we were not at home for 1.5 weeks.
        2. Domestic cat
          Domestic cat 24 November 2017 13: 52 New
          +4
          You're lucky. I live in Mos. areas - I pay for the light 5,03 ...
          1. solzh
            solzh 24 November 2017 13: 57 New
            0
            Not everyone is lucky with us. The tariff for which I pay 2,49 is in a house with an electric stove, with a gas stove for electricity, the tariff will be higher, something around 3 rubles. At the same time, do not forget about the salary. Our salary in Ulyanovsk is much lower than yours in the suburbs, this is also a very important factor.
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 24 November 2017 14: 48 New
            +5
            I live in Maykop. Kilowatt 4.44. Fine? The house has gas. Also not cheap. Private house. Light bulbs, a computer, two refrigerators, two televisions, two microwaves, a washing machine, a pump in the heating system, we live together. Less than 1100 does not come out.
      2. your1970
        your1970 24 November 2017 09: 38 New
        +5
        When comparing the USSR and the Russian Federation, the author is also silent a little about:
        1) during construction in the USSR, free labor of prisoners (in the early USSR) and Komsomol vouchers (compulsory but paid) were used - now no one will go to work for construction and / or for a penny and will not work
        2) 5 rubles for odnushka - it was NOT SMALL (taking into account the fact that enough groups of the population received 80-90, and the main mass received 120. Yes, now it’s more percentage, but even then it was not a penny ..
        3)2 000 of course you can wind up for electricity ...- the question is WHY and what is there such an energy-eating? I have a private house - a kettle, split, refrigerator (2 large kam), 2 freezers (large), 2 TVs, microwave / crock-pot, washing machine, 5 light bulbs in each room = 100-120-150 kW = maximum payment 349 rubles per all time
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 25 November 2017 17: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: your1970
          Of course, you can wind up 2 for electricity ...- the question is WHY and what is so energy consuming? I have a private house - a kettle, split, refrigerator (000 large kam), 2 freezers (large), 2 TVs, microwave / crock-pot, washing machine, 2 light bulbs in each room = 5-100-120 kW = maximum payment 150 rubles per all time

          There are three reasons why you pay so little. The first - you practically do not live at home, the second - a meter malfunction, and the third - you simply steal.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 26 November 2017 03: 18 New
            0
            There are three reasons why you pay so little. The first - you practically do not live at home, the second - a meter malfunction, and the third - you simply steal. - IS-80_RVGK2

            Correctly write, IS-80_RVGK2. I also live in a private house with centralized heating, with fewer appliances, there is really an electric stove, but with a tariff in our region of 1,02 rubles, for two people the payment goes from 450 to 500 rubles.
            1. your1970
              your1970 26 November 2017 17: 06 New
              0
              Quote: vladimirZ
              Correctly write, IS-80_RVGK2
              wrong with him 2000 (!!!!!)rubles for electricity and you 450which is comparable to mine 349 three rubles. His heating - gas.
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 26 November 2017 17: 54 New
                0
                he has 2000 (!!!!!) rubles for electricity and you have 450 that is comparable to my 349 rubles for three. His heating is gas. - mine1970

                There are regions where the electricity tariff is more than 4 rubles per kW.
                So multiply my 500 kW, which I spend per month without any welding, hot water boilers and a garage, with conventional electrical appliances with electric stoves, by 4 rubles, 2000 rubles will come out (!!!!)
                For example, we have a tariff that with an electric stove, that without it is the same, not lower, as is used in rural areas.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 26 November 2017 20: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  So multiply my 500 kW,

                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  450 to 500 rubles.

                  you're a little confused - you have 500 kW or you have 500 rubles?
                  I believe in 500 rubles in a private house, 500 kW in a private house - I believe only if you have options:
                  a) several greenhouses
                  b) the area of ​​the house is 300 squares or more
                  c) production in the garage of something - furniture, forging, etc.
                  And if such options NOeither neighbors steal electricity from YOU or you embellish digits
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 27 November 2017 16: 54 New
                    0
                    I believe in 500 rubles in a private house, 500 kW in a private house - I believe only if you have options: - mine1970

                    No embellishment. The wire from the pillar goes into the courtyard of the house - no one else will connect, an electric stove, a refrigerator, a freezer, a washing machine usually used once a week, an electric kettle, a TV are really not one, but they do not work at the same time, a lot of computers, an unheated greenhouse, 4 rooms together with a kitchen, a bathroom, a bathhouse, and there is no garage, all the more so of some kind of production. Sealed counter, new, electronic. We really cook everything on an electric stove, a microwave is only for 2-3 minutes warming up.
                    It makes no sense to embellish. 500 kW x 1,02 rubles = 502 rubles. There would be a tariff of 4 rubles, would have to pay 2 thousand rubles.
          2. your1970
            your1970 26 November 2017 17: 04 New
            0
            I live at home constantly, the meter is working, I’m not stealing ....
            I also forgot the 80-liter water heater ...
            in addition, I have a garage, in which periodically it is welding, then the grinder 2 kW, then ground ..
            I seriously don’t understand how you can wind up 1000 kW - the only option is that you have an electric stove - but there the tariff in mono apartments is much less
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 24 November 2017 16: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: vlad007
        it would be interesting to know how much electricity costs in other countries


        Quote: vlad007
        how much email is being produced right now energy per capita and compare these numbers with the USSR

        Compare Russia with the USSR-this is something ...
        Quote: vlad007
        How much does the average family pay for email. energy per month

        Who is how.
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        more than 2 thousand for electricity

        Curly live. I have 800 (they charge “theoretically”, I pay, when recalculating it usually turns out that I overpaid. Moscow Region, an “electric house”, without gas, that is).
        Quote: vlad007
        how much is the family budget

        Heavily dependent on family budget ...

        Thanks for the chart. We have a growth of 9%, the average for Europe is 3,6%. That's behind the ears and drag us to Europe. And does ZP also have an increase of 9%? I mean, we have oil and ElEn. And they should cost us CHEAPER not only in relation to the price in the West, but also in relation to our purchasing power. Now, yes, it’s like pulling, but the trend .....
    4. efendia
      efendia 28 November 2017 07: 03 New
      0
      And what prevents searching on the internet? I’ve recently looked at prices in Canada, something caught on an article, so it’s almost the same as ours (it’s hard to compare here, as in the Russian Federation it differs by region), if it doesn’t differ much, but the consumed volumes are noticeable more per family, but their incomes are incomparable with us. It is possible for us to work for days and be a beggar.
  4. minus
    minus 24 November 2017 06: 25 New
    12
    They wrote everything right ... Responses and power grids are falling apart a little ... A simple example is that in Minusinsk district we have 39 settlements + part of the city is also served by res. Recently, a pillar near the house was on fire, so they waited half an hour for an emergency gang. Emergency team - three people for the entire area !!! But the aerial platform was generally sent to another region, for 130 km, it doesn’t have its own ... At the same time, the distribution of tariffs from the level of consumer connection is not clear. For example, our company is connected to a 10 kV line 50 meters from the 110/10 kV substation, on the second pillar from the substation. This month, if I am not mistaken, the price is 4,8 rubles per kW. And if they were connected to the transformer cells at 50 meters, the price would be half as much !!!! Only someone will allow you to connect .... This money is deposited with incomprehensible structures with a significant deterioration in the quality of operation of the lines ... Or a situation where money for the installation of external meters is received by a private company from Krasnoyarsk .... A similar situation occurs on railways, when intermediary pocket organizations receive unjustified profits. First, they drove the equipment to the railway sections, and then they all took it to Abakan and transferred it to the “service organization”. Let’s say she is listed behind the Kuraginsky site, but she stands in Abakan! She needed it and driven for more than 100 kilometers. Moreover, not only is the fuel overrun, it is also actually leased !!! Ugh..
    1. Heretik
      Heretik 30 November 2017 23: 36 New
      0
      I once worked at IDGC and saw the situation from the inside. The most interesting and profitable generation. There is big money, good salaries and, in principle, income - the expense has a normal ratio. FGC is a little worse - the main 35-800kV lines. Normal money for transit, including abroad, etc. The costs are more noticeable (repair and construction of new power lines, substations), but the revenues are not small. IDGC - Power lines 110kV and 35kV passed FSK (I don’t know all or not all, but there was such a trend when Rosseti appeared, about them at the end), these are the lines you could make money on. Fixed assets are power lines 10-0,4kV, respectively, transit to the end consumer. The costs are large because of these small power lines dofig and more, reconstruction requires about 60-80% lines. Income is so-so, because there is BUT:
      in fact, IDGC does not sell energy to the final consumer, but provides transit (I do not take connected subscribers due to the law - their share is very small).
      All kinds of oblelectro, gorelektro and others receive money from consumers ... They do not pay for transit, at the level of bankruptcy, are suing IDGCs, while there are more employees. But IDGC cannot turn off the electricity, because ordinary people will suffer. And they don’t pay ... or at a minimum ... then they go bankrupt and all over again.
      Rossetti was supposed to become something like RAO, but this is another crowd of parasites and nothing will work until all parts of RAO are fully returned to the state and get rid of the crowd of parasites.
  5. goloigor
    goloigor 24 November 2017 06: 54 New
    +9
    I subscribe to each line. An insane amount of add-ons from optimizer parasites brought distribution networks to their knees, after working for almost 30 years at one enterprise, you begin to hate your work. The energy problem concerns the whole country, it is obvious to all power engineers, but not to the owners. Not really our energetic resource is our HE, but since they published an article, I could not restrain myself.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 07: 19 New
      +9
      Quote: goloigor
      Crazy number of add-ons from optimizer parasites brought distribution networks to their knees

      In how belay
      And I’ll tell you a terrible secret - most of the writers consider these distribution companies as the main parasite. They have electricity in the outlet itself will be born laughing
      So what kind of "optimizer parasites" that "put distribution network companies on their knees", explain to the suggestor?
      1. goloigor
        goloigor 26 November 2017 09: 01 New
        +1
        Ask any of the electric grid complex - what is the pyramid from RES through the software to the branch and further MRSK and higher? What is the functionality? In the right to manage our budget and produce an insane amount of instructions and orders, the implementation of 70% of which they still are not able to control due to a complete misunderstanding of how and how the electricity network lives? Ask, ask, what has become a banal admission to work in an electrical installation? What is the procedure for approving an operational application between all participants, including RDU and federals? Everyone is trying to defend their small-town vision of the problem, not trying to help to bring the general business to the end. I am silent about TSSs trying to control substations without telemetry.
  6. minus
    minus 24 November 2017 06: 55 New
    17
    I recently read on the Internet- "When I was little, I was afraid of the dark. Now that I have grown up and look at receipts, I am afraid of the light!"
  7. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 24 November 2017 07: 00 New
    17
    A typical "comprador economy" is described when the population is mostly poor and cannot provide large incomes to entrepreneurs, and besides, nobody needs a "wooden ruble" because of its "volatility" and "lack of power". Therefore, only those sectors of the economy are developing that can provide the flow of currency — that is, something that can be quickly sold “abroad” —a pump is obtained pumping out resources abroad in exchange for a “hard currency”. But this currency is not invested in the economy — it is deposited on the accounts of offshore banks — where it is easier to take and, if necessary, take it away or put it into action. Russia is really a "raw material donor" and nothing more (a "gas station" if you wish).
  8. Nix1986
    Nix1986 24 November 2017 07: 03 New
    +9
    I have always been for a hybrid economy. Legalized capitalism gives freedom of activity and everyone can earn money according to their abilities, but people are imperfect, and therefore the state acts as a parent who directs the development of their children, divorces them in different directions in the event of a fight, and punishes them when necessary, and let the business build further what kulichiki wants, the main thing is that the beach does not turn up. Sobsno, China has taken such a path and we are all seeing success. If we remove the leading and guiding role of the state, then we lose the visible vector of development, and when you don’t know where you are going, you always find yourself not where you wanted to.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 24 November 2017 08: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Nix1986
      Legalized capitalism gives freedom of activity and everyone earns according to their abilities

      Capitalism is a social system in which there are conditions for the accumulation and preservation of Capital, its development. Capital is: machines, education, infrastructure, energy .... it is also divided into industrial and financial. Developed financial capitalism is possible with overdeveloped industrial capitalism. There is no capitalism in our country. There are no conditions for its accumulation and development, there is no production.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 24 November 2017 08: 29 New
        +8
        This is all scholasticism and a pun. If it’s real, then I am very depressed by the prospect of the future of our country, the future which a number of people are taking from us. After the 14th, I would build real plans with clear indicators, with those responsible for them, instead, just words are one populism. Everything became very clear at the speech of the GDP, which was after the collapse of the course. Everyone was waiting for some specifics from the GDP, acknowledging that everything was wrong, but now there are plans, you can’t go further - instead languid telepathy in your tongue, they say the oil price has fallen off, but the rate has also risen, so everything’s nonsense, calculated this comb I do not know. But it became clear that there will be no transformations, do not expect good things, but it will be worse "there is no money but you are holding on." Sometimes there was a desire to emigrate, because of the climate, but thanks to Vovka, he gave me the most powerful incentive!
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 24 November 2017 14: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Nix1986
          You cannot stand on further - instead, languid telepathy with your tongue,

          what plans do you want? you yourself at least imagine what you need to do? How do you like the option of closing borders, a course towards authoring ??
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 24 November 2017 14: 10 New
            +5
            Yes, it is commonplace in problematic regions — special economic zones with preferential taxation; the state takes over the development of infrastructure in the form of sites, electricity and water supply, and transport routes. For each of the regions a person is appointed responsible for these events with a target indicator for the volume of attracted producers, for the indicator you can take the volume of fixed assets of manufacturers who arrived there for the planned period. Transfer all budgets from world championships and olympiads to science and healthcare. It’s so offhand now with a buter in hand. We have a pancake, the doctor gets 25-30 for a while, and competent specialists leave for a cardon, and we have a football championship in 1st place ... I’m better not to say anything.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 24 November 2017 15: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Nix1986
              Yes, corny in problem regions - special economic zones with preferential taxation,

              almost the entire country is a problem zone. preferential taxation for supermarkets ???
              1. Nix1986
                Nix1986 24 November 2017 15: 54 New
                +1
                Well, the scale of the country is different, the MO is still somehow rich in production, but LO or KO or Krasnodar Territory. but there are generally holes, the same Volgograd region. Why for supermarkets? You do not read the "arrangement of infrastructure", first of all, production with high added value is needed.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 24 November 2017 21: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nix1986
                  You do not read the "arrangement of infrastructure", first of all, production with high added value is needed.

                  What is the full name and who is the author -> author -> author of this work, of national importance ?? Production of what? All the same, you would like to establish and break off the Chinese their businesses, whose success lies in the needle of low added value. ?????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!! I want a miracle !! pancake!! is there even one smart? !!
                  1. Nix1986
                    Nix1986 24 November 2017 21: 14 New
                    +1
                    Yes, what a smart, hungry Nix1986 user is there with grub in the "tower", that's who the author is laughing. In general, there are a lot of examples of lifting and they are partly universal, because if you need a wheel, then it will be a wheel in Africa and Antarctica, this is one of the general principles of development, if two unfamiliar people are engaged in working out one problem and they will solve it, then 90 % their solution path will match. He himself came across this when communicating with colleagues at seminars when discussing identical projects and how they were decided, the way was 90% similar. Aloizych and Roosevelt also lifted the country from their knees in a very similar way - to start at least with the construction of large-scale transport infrastructure.
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 25 November 2017 13: 13 New
                      0
                      They forgot about the ideology ... And also about the dollar exchange rate favorable to a foreign producer, About the fact that the cost price in our conditions will be more ....
          2. Alf
            Alf 24 November 2017 21: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: aybolyt678
            How do you like closing borders,

            The borders were also closed in the Union, but nobody suffered much from this, with the exception of any riffraff.
  9. tasha
    tasha 24 November 2017 07: 09 New
    +5
    The thoughts are correct, the article is poorly written, there are no sentences ...
  10. Shadow1
    Shadow1 24 November 2017 07: 17 New
    +9
    The electricity tariff itself consists of three parameters:

    producers - those who produce and sell electricity;
    transport by which electricity is delivered to consumers;
    sellers - organizations that sell electricity to enterprises and the public.
    In the USSR, those who generated electricity sold it, respectively, and the tariff was small.
    Today, the wholesale index of 1 MW / hour
    RSV Index
    1 211.95 rub.
    1 211,95 / 1000 = 1,22 rubles. costs 1 kW
    and the tariff for the majority of 5 rubles. here is the answer to how many middlemen eat
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 07: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: Shadow1
      For today wholesale index at 1 MW / hour

      А where is this mw / h located? If at the power plant - your comment "about nothing", I'm sorry ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 November 2017 08: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        If at the power plant - your comment "about nothing", I'm sorry ...

        And what, delivery of kW costs 4 times more expensive? wink
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 09: 49 New
          +9
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And what, delivery of kW costs 4 times more expensive?

          And you take an interest, do not be lazy ... the Internet, I hope, works?
          I suggest - delivery is, in particular, the repair and maintenance of electrical networks, substations, heat losses (no one canceled physics), well, and further ... in the text yes
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 November 2017 18: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            well, further ... in the text

            About 10 years ago, the director of the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric power station said - "if they pay me 5 kopecks for each kilowatt, the hydroelectric power station will be gold!"
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            And you take an interest, do not be lazy ...

            This is what you need to ask how much 1 kW costs at a power plant. hi
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 18: 28 New
              +7
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              About 10 years ago, the director of the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric power station said - "if they pay me 5 kopecks for each kilowatt, the hydroelectric power station will be gold!"

              They would say that 30 years ago - I would probably believe.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              You need to ask how much 1 kW costs at the power plant.

              Nachihuahua? On the question of "where is the kilowatt," this has absolutely nothing to do ...
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 November 2017 19: 13 New
                +2
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Nachihuahua?

                This is not a ram you spit! This is chi hua hua! laughing Where it is - is HUGE! For delivery (as you yourself expressed it) is certain part of the price. But dozens of times the cost, as we now see in payments, believe me. At the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric station, the cost of kW. a few cents, at the Togliatti CHP the cost of kW is higher, but this is more than offset by revenues from the sale of hot water and heating to the city. hi
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 21: 03 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  But not ten times from cost, as we now see in payments, believe me. At the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric station cost Kw a few cents

                  So ... General:
                  There is a cost of production (in that case, and e / e it is). She, as you say, "penny." I do not believe what I saw and heard is talking just about 0.80 - 1.00 rubles per kWh. "Hospital average", considering all types of power plants.
                  There is a wholesale price of the same electricity. It is always more than cost. I admit that she is somewhere in the region of 1.20 - 1.50 rubles. per kWh.
                  And there is a "price for the end consumer." It is always more than wholesale, and certainly more than the cost. We all see it in paychecks, and for everyone it is different.

                  If you are going to argue further (although it’s not yet clear to me why you wrote something at all. I don’t argue with you), please provide a reliable source about the price of a penny. Links to the familiar director of the hydroelectric station ... will not work.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 25 November 2017 08: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    source about "penny price"

                    Colonel - type in the search engine "cost per kilowatt", and voila links! wink
                    at the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric power station they calculated the cost of electricity generated. As it turned out, it remains one of the cheapest in the country. In 2010, one kilowatt / hour of hydroelectric power cost its owners 7, 45 kopecks. It is curious that this is less than in 2008 - 8,22 kopecks and only 8 percent more than in 2009 6,89 kopecks per 1 kW / h.
                    Further -
                    The cost of electricity from the manufacturer
                    (power plants), kopecks / kWh 18,662 18,456 24,094 24,621
                    including:
                    at hydroelectric power station 4,150 4,150 4,150 4,150
                    at TPPs 22,000 21,325 27,370 27,532
                    Search. and dress it up! tongue
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 25 November 2017 09: 26 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      you type in the search engine "cost per kilowatt", and voila links ...

                      ... seven years ago. This, you know, is not even a "second freshness."
                      But I did not find any fresh data. You, apparently, too.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      at the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric power station they calculated the cost of electricity generated. It turned out, it remains one of the cheapest in the country

                      Well, and why is it here? The fact that electricity "from hydroelectric power stations" is cheaper than from nuclear power plants, and from nuclear power plants is cheaper than thermal power plants, is a no brainer.
                      It was about the average cost of the country yes
                      There is no such data on the Internet. At least I could not find.
                      To calculate it yourself - you need to know many other numbers, which also do not exist ...
                      You bring "the cheapest for the 2000 dull year" and joyfully declare:
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Search. and dress it up!

                      You, the campaign, from those who are looking for keys under the lantern. Because there is lighter laughing
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 25 November 2017 10: 09 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        than TPP - this is a no brainer.

                        When calculating the cost of kW at TPPs, side nishtyaki are not taken into account - income from the sale of thermal energy. This I tell you with confidence. If we take them into account, then the cost price of kW at TPPs will be several times lower.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        . seven years ago.

                        The cost of gas compared to 2010 only fell. Accordingly, the cost of kW per TPP should fall the same. The costs of hydropower plants did not rise much either. request
    2. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 24 November 2017 07: 36 New
      12
      Maybe "someone" has still not noticed (except for the author of the article, by the way, he noticed) the "intermediary" was built in Russia - "speculative" capitalism — that is, capitalism where the "speculative price" is the main capital-profit. Everywhere mediators sit, everywhere "fences" are created to create conditions for "mediation", by the way the notorious "kickbacks" and "bribes" are the same "intermediary" service. There is no production or it is scanty, but there is a developed "mediation" ...
      1. Severok
        Severok 24 November 2017 09: 49 New
        +4
        Call a spade a spade: not mediation, but parasitism, not developed, but arrogant.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 24 November 2017 14: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        in Russia it was built specifically "mediation" - "speculative" capitalism

        There is no capitalism in Russia .. There is anti-capitalism. Because all conditions have been created for the export of Capital from the country. By capital we mean means of production, raw materials, energy, highly qualified specialists ... but in no case luxury goods.
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 24 November 2017 18: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Shadow1
      1 211,95 / 1000 = 1,22 rubles. costs 1 kW
      and the tariff for the majority of 5 rubles. here is the answer to how many middlemen eat

      But how do you like WTO membership? Is it not thanks to him that we have such tariffs?
  11. Shadow1
    Shadow1 24 November 2017 07: 45 New
    +6
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Shadow1
    For today wholesale index at 1 MW / hour

    А where is this mw / h located? If at the power plant - your comment "about nothing", I'm sorry ...

    This is on the wholesale market, that is, it has already been delivered to distribution stations and it is bought by a guaranteeing supplier-seller (for example, in Moscow and Moscow it is Mosenergosbyt) read RF PP No. 442 of May 05, 2012, and that the comment didn’t like that someone is screwing up prices from producer to consumer by 500%, or are you from the "effective managers"?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 24 November 2017 09: 25 New
      +6
      wow ... that's for sure ??? belay and where did "zaputina !!!" ? where are these people the counters ran to rewind, then to say: you're lying, we have cheap ElEn! laughing
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 14: 34 New
      +7
      Quote: Shadow1
      This is on the wholesale market, that is, it has already been delivered to distribution stations and it is bought by a guaranteeing supplier-seller (for example, in Moscow and Moscow it is Mosenergosbyt)

      That is, you claim that this Mosenergosbyt winds up from 1.22 to 4.00 rubles / kWh? If so, I would like justification.
      Quote: Shadow1
      read RF PP No. 442 of May 05, 2012

      It is "about nothing", there are no digits ...
      Quote: Shadow1
      and that the comment did not like ...

      Where did you get that "did not like"? Clarification was never a manifestation of discontent.
      Quote: Shadow1
      or are you from the "effective managers"?

      No, dear. Do not run over, you will be more whole yes
  12. midshipman
    midshipman 24 November 2017 07: 54 New
    11
    I think that the question should urgently be considered at the Government level: "Why is electric energy in Ukraine cheaper for the population than in the Russian Federation?" The culprit is famous and he is free. I have the honor.
  13. Shadow1
    Shadow1 24 November 2017 07: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: tasha
    The thoughts are correct, the article is poorly written, there are no sentences ...

    Yes, everything is just an example of Moscow, there is such a Mosenergo JSC that produces electricity in Moscow at its facilities (http://www.ruscable.ru/article/Istoriya
    _Mosenergo /) sells electricity in the wholesale market of Mosenergosbyt PJSC for 1.22 rubles, Mosenergosbyt sells to us at 5.32 rubles. + The two main grid companies MOESK and OEC, if you combine them and make a state-owned company, then it seems that electricity will become cheaper significantly.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 14: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: Shadow1
      PJSC "Mosenergosbyt" for 1.22 rubles, Mosenergosbyt sells to us at 5.32 rubles

      Whence firewood tsifirki? Not out of your head, I hope? wink
  14. cedar
    cedar 24 November 2017 07: 56 New
    10
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    A typical "comprador economy" is described when the population is mostly poor and cannot provide large incomes to entrepreneurs, and besides, nobody needs a "wooden ruble" because of its "volatility" and "lack of power". Therefore, only those sectors of the economy are developing that can provide the flow of currency — that is, something that can be quickly sold “abroad” —a pump is obtained pumping out resources abroad in exchange for a “hard currency”. But this currency is not invested in the economy — it is deposited on the accounts of offshore banks — where it is easier to take and, if necessary, take it away or put it into action. Russia is really a "raw material donor" and nothing more (a "gas station" if you wish).


    When it comes to money, you need to know one obvious thing for those who want to understand the reasons for the robbery going on, and not cry a hundred times for the first time.
    If the Constitution of the Russian Federation in article 75 prescribes the independence of the Central Bank from state power, and the "Law on the Central Bank", adopted in 2002, says that - "The Central Bank is not responsible for the obligations of the state ...", then there is nothing to be surprised at all of the above. Only those who are still unaware that the country, its resources, including financial ones, are in external control are surprised and lamented. The Central Bank is the clearest example.
    See at the root, dear. “Your” money is a resource that you need to squeeze the world bankers who have seized Russia from you by any means. And the Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance and the Government, in fact, the colonial administration, will follow up and do everything to ensure that this process goes smoothly.
    Woe to the vanquished in war, even if this war was "cold."
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 24 November 2017 09: 25 New
      +2
      Well, here everything about "this" is written in detail: https://narod-novosti.com/ekonomika/?p=komu-prina
      dlezhat-zolotovalyutnyie-rezervyi-rossii- & amp;
      ; page = 1
    2. efendia
      efendia 28 November 2017 07: 37 New
      0
      Or maybe you’re not looking for enemies there? Or you because of the hillock, prices are raised and taxes are taxed or officials with exorbitant incomes are taxed or the state budget is sawed and invested in all kinds of dubious projects. And the cost of a kilometer of roads and the quality of construction were also imposed on us from behind a hill? Or maybe, in the Duma, non-citizens of the Russian Federation also come up with moronic initiatives that imitate violent activity? Although it may just not be citizens of the Russian Federation. Maybe it makes sense to look for enemies of normal development at home? When government officials told us about industry, aircraft, etc. we don’t need it - we’ll buy everything, but then bam oil fell, bam and sanctions. So aren't government officials making such statements enemies of the country? But then the following logical question arises: who appoints such officials and who stubbornly holds them in power?
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 24 November 2017 08: 10 New
    +5
    And our economy today is wrong.
    .. Buy - sell ... Intermediaries, that is, speculators, like uncut dogs ... I remember how at the end of perestroika, articles appeared in the press that the speculator is good and there should be more .. Here we have what we have. ..As the hero of one Soviet film said ... Eh, we will rattle under fanfare ...
  16. rudolff
    rudolff 24 November 2017 09: 26 New
    20
    Chubais led RAO UES from 1998 to 2008. RAO UES reform and its restructuring were first discussed in 2000. In fact, the reform consisted of splitting the EEC into many separate enterprises engaged in the generation, maintenance of electric networks and the sale of energy. In 2008, RAO UES ceased to exist. It goes without saying that this whole scam would not have been possible without the participation of the government and the president. In support of the reform, Chubais said that an electricity market would be created that would reduce prices for end consumers and attract investment in the industry. That is, according to the logic of Chubais, the government and the president, instead of one nuclear power plant / hydroelectric station / thermal power station serving the city, several more will magically appear that will begin to compete among themselves, offering lower prices. Instead of one power line from the station to the city, several competing power lines. Instead of one electricity distribution organization on one power line, several. This is tantamount to splitting the Moscow-Vladivostok railway into a hundred separate lines, reorganizing the sections into separate companies, privatizing them and then announcing that we have a railway transportation market.
    Even Yeltsin did not dare to take such an adventure; Putin turned out to be bolder.
    1. Cat Marquis
      Cat Marquis 24 November 2017 09: 51 New
      +4
      Did you watch the movie "Pretty Woman"? What "business" was the main "hero" involved in? Moreover, very successful. Here it is. wink
    2. ole
      ole 25 November 2017 13: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      This is tantamount to splitting the Moscow-Vladivostok railway into a hundred separate lines, reorganizing the sections into separate companies, privatizing them and then announcing that we have a railway transportation market.
      In the Vologda region they made it easier to buy an arrow and grandmothers were taken for a run of each car, 3 years ago the arrow broke, the hostess suggested that all business entities get rid of repairs, 3 years there are deadlocks))))
  17. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 November 2017 09: 43 New
    12
    At first I wanted to put a plus for the article, but I read
    I, in general, support Putin - because I had suffered in the nineties.
    Well, it’s high time to understand that in the 90s the Soviet economy was ruined and the bourgeois economy was hurt. And Putin using this backlog. Yes, there are no bandits of the 90s, now the police chiefs are doing this, small firms are being destroyed, because large ones are easier to control.
    In the 90s it was hard, because we from the oasis of Soviet prosperity fell into the jungle of capitalism. Yes, we still continued to lie about market socialism.
    Now it’s easier for us, because we are accustomed to corruption, to the fact that Mara Baghdasaryan can do everything, that Serdyukov will not be imprisoned and Kudrin will rule us. They promise to raise our retirement age, and we thank Putin! Now the Urengoy boy spat in our past, but as before, everyone believes that in the 90s they lived worse ....
  18. your1970
    your1970 24 November 2017 09: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Shadow1
    and the tariff for the majority of 5 rubles.

    2,49 Volga - no need for the majority. In addition, you forget about distribution costs in networks, where networks are longer, naturally more expensive
  19. Severok
    Severok 24 November 2017 09: 46 New
    +3
    To the author BRAVO!
    Well done, he called everything and everyone his honored names!
  20. Dr_engie
    Dr_engie 24 November 2017 10: 08 New
    +9
    Everything would be fine, but here is the point:
    "It’s enough to recall how, under the Soviet regime, such powerful rivers as the Volga and Dnieper turned into a continuous chain of freshwater seas, thanks to continuous cascades of hydroelectric power stations."

    To my great regret, everything spoils.
    I live in Astrakhan all my life, and what do we see? Neither water really in the Volga, nor fish. Volgograd discharges water when it is not necessary, and when their reservoir overflows. And recently, it has become generally fashionable not to give a normal flood, so that ilmen and Erika will be filled with water, spawning grounds - instead, water will be "poured" constantly, but in such quantities that it simply rolls down the Volga to the Caspian without giving it anything. And this is done, by the way, precisely because of the power engineers - they discharge water exactly as much as they need for the turbines to work, because it is unprofitable for them to dump water - they have to dump it bypassing the turbines. So they choose not to give us high water, but instead save water and until the autumn, but turn the turbines.
    So much has already been written about this in the local news, and even local candidates for the polls go with slogans that they will return water to us - but what's the point?
  21. 1536
    1536 24 November 2017 10: 54 New
    +5
    It was alarming that the chief nanotechnologist said that in five years we would have a power outage.
  22. uskrabut
    uskrabut 24 November 2017 11: 46 New
    +8
    “After all, a worker who doesn’t drag his salary, an old man his retirement, a student his unemployment allowance, into a Swiss bank. They will buy something with this money. That means they will invest it in the economy. And the more they have money, the more will make purchases. So - there will be more contribution to the economy "

    And so the official argues: “Why will I give money for salaries, pensions and scholarships? What should I do with this? I’d better buy all kinds of junk, supposedly for state needs, and get a kickback from this. Or I’ll come up with a reform and get a dough for it and the prize, oh ... how big! "
    That is the whole liberal economy
  23. Shurale
    Shurale 24 November 2017 12: 08 New
    +5
    It's all good, what to do then? Rifles when will distribute? Or do you think that people of 30 years sitting in power, established a speculative economy suddenly listen to you and start doing right? Stanislavsky said everything for me. Let's rifles!
  24. E_V_N
    E_V_N 24 November 2017 12: 26 New
    +1
    “But Putin, for all his pluses and abilities, cannot grasp the immensity. He cannot know and understand correctly ALL, without exception.”
    But it’s not necessary to understand everything, but everyone, especially the President, should know the basic concepts and a general understanding of what is happening. The problem is apparently that the GDP did not encounter economic life in the USSR-RF. After university, work abroad, then immediately special rations in Moscow, and then special security in the Kremlin. Well, how can one understand what salary is, and that one needs to live on this money for a month and there is no longer any place to get it. Hence the words of the GDP, "I’m not interested in Sechin’s salary, I don’t know mine either, they bring me, but I say put on the bill." Therefore, foreign policy, this was taught, he was doing this in Germany, and the economy is all kinds of salaries there is a dark forest.
  25. Overlock
    Overlock 24 November 2017 12: 28 New
    +8
    not mine but agree

    Why I do not like Putin

    What Putin does not take away is foreign policy. There, even his defeat, no one will blame him. Because there he fights. But everything is different in domestic politics. Like two different people, and I do not like the “internal” Putin. And that's why.

    Because the foundation of today's Russia is rotten and Putin did nothing to strengthen it. Talk alone. The removal of the Yeltsin oligarchs is not a strengthening of the foundation - the principle has not changed. They steal, take out, and betray no less than 20 years ago. Even a lot more.
    Because the price tag at the gas station is growing every week. Like price tags in stores. And my salary is not growing. And so for many years.

    Because to find a job after 45 years is already hopeless. And enterprises are closing more and more. And this does not shake anyone in power.



    But on the other hand, the authorities did not like the striking truckers very much.

    Before that, I did not like the striking farmers.

    Before that, I did not like the rally pensioners.
    The loop twists tighter and tighter. Something urgently needs to be done.

    But Putin is serene, he believes that the time has not come and everything is under control. And he does nothing - he is waiting for the election. Tsar Nikolai also believed that everything was under control and the time had not come. And when he was persuaded to abdicate, and then arrested in Tsarskoye Selo, he thought that there was some kind of error.

    I see that Putin is perplexed. He does not know what to do. The budget is empty, billions are still going to the United States. The economy is falling, and he is waiting for the election.

    I do not believe that he will do anything after the election. I do not believe that he is capable of this. That he has a will to do so. I do not believe that he knows what and how to do it. And I do not want to leave my future in such unknowing hands. The only thing I believe in is that after his election the liberals and the empty budget will not go anywhere and taxes will be raised in the country. And then prices will rise again.

    If he lacks power, let him turn to the people. But he does not appeal.

    If traitors interfere with him, let him create a movement that he will lean on. He will be supported. But he does not create.
    Not only his life, but ours depends on the actions of the president. And the longer his passivity drags on, the greater will be dissatisfaction with Putin. The more active the elite will prepare for his overthrow. And while he is slow, I do not like him. Procrastination of death is similar. The slow president plays the life of the whole country.

    ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/33/18093/-?utm_source=
    politobzor.net
  26. maks007
    maks007 24 November 2017 13: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: Shadow1
    The electricity tariff itself consists of three parameters:
    producers - those who produce and sell electricity;
    transport by which electricity is delivered to consumers;
    sellers - organizations that sell electricity to enterprises and the public.

    Then the question is, with my personal saving of electricity - from 200 kW in the winter to 150 kW (replacing everything with economic ones, I listened to the slogan - the consumer consumes a lot of capacities), I was not the only one. As a result, the sellers' income fell because the total amount per kilowatt decreased, the way out is to raise the tariff. The result for the consumer after 1 year, the amount became the same as it was before saving.

    Now we are offered to spend less - go to the store with your bags (bags), so as not to buy a bag, since in each family you can find an unnecessary expense item. How can milk production be increased, for example, if it was 1 liter in a boom package, now it’s 0,9-0,925 liters, as its store bought in the number of packages, so it buys. We now consider inflation in the "Olivier salad / herring under a fur coat."
    It can audit - items of income, those who calculated these tariffs.
  27. cedar
    cedar 24 November 2017 13: 20 New
    +6
    A speculative economy is ruin.
    At the heart of a speculative economy is lending, predatory interest. All the money in the world, including your ... loan money, i.e. borrowed from bankers, even if you did not take a loan even once in your life. So, so that the counter that was installed is needed, you need materials, machines, workshops, housing and communal services and all this works and is created on loan money that requires constant maintenance, i.e. interest payments, which at each stage increases the price. This applies not only to meters, but also turbines, transformers, the entire range of electrical products made with loan money to rob the army of bankers. As a result, an increase in the cost of a kilowatt. And after all, not one of the commentators, including the author,
    I didn’t even give a hint about the basis of the bank plunder of Russia, about the loan interest. For some reason, Putin, as always, is to blame ...
    “Do not give to your brother growth neither silver nor bread nor anything else that you can
    give to growth, give to a foreigner to growth, but do not give your brother to growth ”(Deuteronomy,
    23: 19).
    “... and you will lend to many nations, but you yourself will not borrow [and you will
    to rule over many nations, but they will not rule over you] ”
    (Deuteronomy 28:12).
    “Then the sons of foreigners will build your walls, and their kings - to serve you .., the people and
    kingdoms that do not want to serve you will perish, and such nations will
    they will be destroyed ”(Isaiah 60: 10-12).
    See at the root, dear.
  28. maks007
    maks007 24 November 2017 14: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: cedar
    So, so that the counter that was installed is needed, you need materials, machines, workshops, housing and communal services and all this works and is created on loan money that requires constant maintenance, i.e. interest payments, which at each stage increases the price. This applies not only to meters, but also turbines, transformers, the entire range of electrical products made with loan money to rob the army of bankers. As a result, an increase in the cost of a kilowatt. And after all, not one of the commentators, including the author,

    From going out of your words i.e. the turbine that produces kW is changed once a year, because the electricity tariff has increased, or the transformer with wires along the route to the consumer of this electricity has been changed. It is unlikely that in the costs it will be possible to find something similar under the item of costs.
  29. Rostislav
    Rostislav 24 November 2017 15: 01 New
    +2
    Everything is correctly written in the article.
    Only no one can offer a recipe for how the state can change the situation if those who are quite satisfied with this model are at the helm. Why invest in building a new plant / hydropower plant if you can put them in your pocket?
    Only the state is entitled to own natural monopolies; the decision is to nationalize certain industries.
  30. seacap
    seacap 24 November 2017 16: 39 New
    0
    I don’t know how in a big economy, and I’m not an economist, but I know (at the household level) how things are in the region and the region, and this, in my opinion, is the foundation, the building blocks of the general economy building. the periphery is conducted not according to the laws of the economy and the state, but according to various schemes and concepts. As a rule, many enterprises are controlled by officials, parliamentarians and other princes of the local nobility and members of their families. Local princes, the bureaucracy, parliaments and other deputy councils, law enforcement and judicial the authorities constitute an unbreakable, monolith of mutual responsibility for servicing this so-called family economy. Any position in the city and regional administration is considered as a personal business project. The whole system is struck by nepotism and money, schemes and money. Trade, in general, is based on the foundation of total lies and fraud, without lies and bribes, the protection of the authorities, it cannot exist in this form. The same applies to producers, especially food Ukraine, which has complete lack of control and impunity for genocide and deceit of the population. There is also such a sensitive issue that also cannot do without local princes. Something in my city (which, by the way, has 3 state borders) I don’t know a single smirnov , Ivanova, Sidorova from directors of many markets, major construction companies, oil producing companies. So why would a normal economy building have to be in the country if the bricks are made of adobe, i.e. manure?
    1. your1970
      your1970 26 November 2017 17: 13 New
      0
      Quote: seacap
      . So why would a normal building of the economy have to be in the country if the bricks are made of adobe, i.e. manure?
      -Saman so that you were aware, they make clay, and God forbid add manure there ...
      But dung / kyaz make of manure .....
  31. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 24 November 2017 21: 23 New
    +1
    "Today, electricity costs rubles. Big rubles."
    Today: 4 rubles 87 kopecks - kilowatts (a quarter of a loaf of white bread, and it costs from 19 rubles to 21 in the Siberian city, depending on the outlet) Bus ticket - 17-18 rubles
    In the seventies - 4 kopecks (brown bread cost 14 kopecks, average –15, good –16, high-quality bun – 20 kopecks). A bus ticket - 5 kopecks, a trolley bus –– 4 kopecks, a tram –– 3 kopecks.
    I don’t see how much it costs now. But in the 1970s, the price of a kilowatt in the USA or Norway was less than in the USSR!
  32. NordUral
    NordUral 25 November 2017 00: 48 New
    +1
    And it will become an economic empire only after its leadership realizes that speculative capital is a weight on the feet of the state.


    Well, how can a weight explain that it is a weight, and why? The top of the country and the thieves pseudo-elite, and so everyone knows this, and much better than us.
  33. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 25 November 2017 10: 58 New
    0
    Everything written is nonsense! In the USSR, electricity was worth a penny - because it was dated to the population (costing less than cost), at the expense of the population itself (meager salaries) !!! Now the prices are market, but the state limits them anyway - look at how much electricity costs in Europe from Germany to Poland and compare !!!
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 26 November 2017 21: 57 New
      +1
      And here is the cost of electricity in Germany and Poland? If you have your own garden. then picking a tomato do you remember how much it costs in the store? In Europe, some countries have no sources of electricity in general.
  34. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 25 November 2017 15: 31 New
    +4
    But do we only have a lot of “suckers” in the electric power industry? Yes, no matter what area, a bunch of "sucking"! This is the whole neoliberal economy — money from the air and away from the economy. Until the system is changed, everything will be just that.
  35. goloigor
    goloigor 26 November 2017 09: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    So what kind of "optimizer parasites" that "put distribution network companies on their knees", explain to the suggestor?

    About multimillion-dollar corruption scandals - only in the North-West - untouchable top managers are already not even interesting to read. Ultimately, this money is paid by the consumer.
    The fight against theft of E / E is conducted mostly declaratively, organizing raids on villages, instead of following the normal path of the rest of the civilized world. Everything, not that resource.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2017 15: 10 New
      0
      Quote: goloigor
      The fight against theft of E / E is conducted mostly declaratively, organizing raids on villages, instead of following the normal path of the rest of the civilized world. Everything, not that resource.

      Unlike what it was, now at least some kind of struggle is being waged. Although here you need one hundred and twenty pieces of paper and dancing with a tambourine to turn off the deadbeat. Well, the gas workers did well, they broke through the law and now they cut gas to non-payers only on the road. And what is there for non-payers, they can now cut off gas in the heating season, even to those who do not have maintenance contracts with them.
  36. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 27 November 2017 06: 50 New
    0
    I can not help but note my penny in such a sore subject for so many of us.
    Quote: OLEG BOROVSKY
    Because a huge number of leeches stuck to the direct producers of electricity, in the person of various companies that themselves do not produce electricity, they simply profit from "intermediary" pseudo-services. It is, quite simply - swindlers, swindlers, extortionists. !

    This I have cited only one quote, but you can cite the whole article as a quote. Everything is correct in the article. I don’t think that those who are upstairs and on whom the quality of our lives depend on this do not understand, should understand if they just think, but there is one more important circumstance, namely - do they have time to think about prices, salaries and pensions general about the people? If you still haven’t changed anything and are not going to change it, then they don’t have time to think, and then what are they thinking above? Really all who are in power, they came to power only in order to think only about their personal gain? It is necessary to remove all intermediaries from everywhere, then both fuels and lubricants and gas and electricity and utility bills will be cheaper, which means everything else too.
  37. Wolka
    Wolka 27 November 2017 18: 10 New
    0
    strategic industries should be nationalized by definition, apparently this should be understood as the last words of the president of the Russian Federation on the readiness of industry, if necessary, to switch to military production ...
    1. efendia
      efendia 28 November 2017 08: 23 New
      0
      What's the point? If the state corporations put their relatives on feeding and the guarantor declares without hesitation on TV that the top manager should receive no less than his foreign colleague. And why then the employee of the same manager does not receive as his foreign colleague ??? Moreover, they receive regardless of the results of their activities. Somewhere there was a comparison of the effectiveness of our and foreign tops, and a comparison of oh how not in our favor, in theory they should not receive more than their workers. And what about the various moronic government initiatives not supported by science? I strongly doubt that this will be of any use in the current system of government.
  38. theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 30 November 2017 14: 31 New
    0
    The main brake on the economy, it is also a generator of inflation, is the banking system. Since the 1th century, it has been known that the inflation rate in the country is inversely proportional to the number of banks in it and economic growth cannot exceed 10/500000 of inflation. Below - as much as you like, at least - XNUMX%!