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The Kremlin commented on the events in the LC

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Appeared yesterday in RBC message allegedly received from the entourage of presidential aide Vladislav Surkov, "about the support of certain political forces" in the Luhansk People's Republic (LNR), does not correspond to reality, reports TASS Kremlin official statement.




This post is unknown on what basis
said Head of the Department of the Office of the President on social and economic cooperation with the states - participants of the Commonwealth of Independent States, the Republic of Abkhazia and the Republic of South Ossetia Mikhail Arutyunov.

According to him, “no sources surrounded Vladislav Surkov could say this, since“ the events in Lugansk are an internal affair of the LPR ”, and no one from Lugansk“ went to the Kremlin ”.

Recall, on Wednesday, RBC published a message referring to a source close to Vladislav Surkov, according to which the Kremlin sided with the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the LPR in his conflict with the head of the republic. In this edition noted that the head LNR Igor Carpentry resignation has not yet threatened, because Moscow gave him a "last chance."
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  1. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 22 November 2017 08: 24 New
    19
    Fucking “Minsk” ... Now, the thief and the traitor, the carpenter’s, there’s nothing to be afraid of .. His signature under the agreement is ...
    1. RUS96
      RUS96 22 November 2017 08: 34 New
      +5
      Lugansk: the entry of the military convoy 21 November 2017
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 22 November 2017 08: 54 New
        11
        Anne News reports that Plotnitsky may have fled to Russia. In Lugansk, armed people in camouflage uniforms without identification marks. And also, a column of tilt KAMAZ trucks with military men from Donetsk entered it. Plotnitsky and one of his deputies are accused of having links with the Ukrainian special services and of Mozgovoy’s deaths with Dremov.
        A few days ago there was infa that Plotnitsky intends to become part of Ukraine, unlike the DPR.
        1. Ural resident
          Ural resident 22 November 2017 10: 42 New
          +7
          no one knows where the truth is. If they accuse them, they will naturally talk about betrayal so that the prosecution has more weight.
          1. tol100v
            tol100v 22 November 2017 19: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: A resident of the Urals
            no one knows where the truth is.

            All is correct. Not knowing exactly all the "undercurrents" occurring at the top of the LPR, it is impossible to make any verdict. One thing is true - though sooner or later it will come out!
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 22 November 2017 12: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          Plotnitsky and one of his deputies are accused of having links with the Ukrainian special services and of Mozgovoy’s deaths with Dremov.

          It is high time. I blame him for that too! I always wrote about this, and many here justified Plotnitsky. Hello, by the way, to the ardent defender Plotnitsky:
          Quote: hrych
          hrych
          .
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 22 November 2017 15: 55 New
          +2
          More like that, on the contrary. Cornet did not want to resign, he called his twin brothers, tearing the vest with a cry of "heroes of the atoms are offended." I can of course be mistaken, but in my opinion, units from the DPR came to the aid of Plotnitsky, and not Cornet. As if Cornet after Batman did not go. wink
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 22 November 2017 19: 08 New
        0
        Quote: RUS96
        Lugansk: the entry of the military convoy 21 November 2017

        This is fsё photoshop. Ichtamnet.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 November 2017 08: 35 New
      +7
      I think if Plotnitsky does not agree to unite with Donetsk, then he will not last long in power in Lugansk.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 22 November 2017 08: 42 New
        16
        Quote: SRC P-15
        if Plotnitsky does not agree to unite with Donetsk, then he will not last long in power in Lugansk
        And if Dense will join the DNI, then he will remain completely without power. Although unification is the best option - there is much more order in the DPR than in Lugansk. Is there a signature of Zakharchenko under Minsk? There is. If he is the head of a single republic (LDNR or whatever they call it), then all the formalities are met.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 22 November 2017 08: 48 New
          +7
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          And if Dense will join the DNI, then he will remain completely without power.

          Better to be left without power than without a head!
      2. Jedi
        Jedi 22 November 2017 08: 44 New
        +8
        Hello, hello hi
        Quote: SRC P-15
        I think if Plotnitsky does not agree to unite with Donetsk, then he will not last long in power in Lugansk.

        I also think so - it is no accident this fuss. I hope that he himself understands this too.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 22 November 2017 08: 47 New
          +3
          Hi, Max! hi
          Quote: Jedi
          I also think so - it is no accident this fuss. I hope that he himself understands this too.

          Here he was inadvertently hinted at from Moscow. I think he understood the hint.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 22 November 2017 08: 49 New
            +6
            If the head does not have a mixture of banana with mayonnaise, it will draw conclusions and take some action.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 22 November 2017 10: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Jedi
          I also think so - it is no accident this fuss.


          hi , Maxim.
          IMHO, all this hype about the events in the LPR raised by the Kiev Svidomo. Then the question is why? As a result of negotiations between Surkov and Volker, the first warned the second that if the states supply lethal weapons to Kiev, Russia will recognize the LPR and the DPR as independent and will render them all (including military) assistance. Washington slowed down the supply and this frightened the Poroshenko clique (since earlier the EU made it clear to Kiev that the "Europeans" did not intend to further cover Kiev's tricks, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic turned their backs). How to return everything back? Only one proven method more than once - “Russia introduced armored armada to / in unhappy, defenseless Ukraine” and staged a loud provocation against the LPR or the DPR, which was done both on land and in the media. What will be the result of this "feint"? We will see. In addition, in Kiev itself, a new Maidan seems to be brewing, which all the opponents of the current “hetmanism” are pouring in and a call has already been made for an all-Ukrainian revolt.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 22 November 2017 10: 51 New
            +4
            Greetings Leo! hi It’s silly to expect good from Kiev, as well as from the Western curator, only nasty things and provocations.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 22 November 2017 11: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: Jedi
              It’s silly to expect good from Kiev, as well as from the Western curator, only nasty things and provocations.


              I expressed my opinion. Maybe I’m mistaken in some way, because the “404” is tied in a tricky knot, but the vision is just that. But on the supply of Yankees weapons to Kiev, our military-political gurus Shamanov and Korotchenko spoke:

              Yes, and Israeli special Y. Kedmi contributed to this issue:
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 22 November 2017 11: 07 New
                +5
                I hold a similar point of view. Let's see how events develop.
            2. Normal ok
              Normal ok 22 November 2017 19: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Jedi
              IMHO, all this hype about the events in the LPR raised by Kiev svidomitami

              Damn, in the LPR there is an internal disassembly. And you mean the same thing: the machinations of Kiev. Orwell nervously smokes on the sidelines.
        3. Sergey53
          Sergey53 22 November 2017 11: 12 New
          +2
          He thinks that he will ride like in the past several times.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 22 November 2017 12: 11 New
            +2
            But this will be seen from the development of events.
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 22 November 2017 10: 48 New
        +3
        Someone from ours helped Plotnitsky to "bury" the idea of ​​New Russia. It was not without joint business. "People are dying for the metal."
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 22 November 2017 13: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: siberalt
          Someone from ours helped Plotnitsky to "bury" the idea of ​​New Russia.

          The oligarchs?
          1. Sergey53
            Sergey53 22 November 2017 21: 17 New
            0
            Roach and so was on their content even before the election.
    3. Logall
      Logall 22 November 2017 08: 36 New
      11
      A thief, a traitor? Where did the information come from? From neta or cornet said?
      Everything is muddy there, And no one will tell you the truth ...
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 22 November 2017 08: 44 New
        11
        Quote: Logall
        A thief, a traitor? Where did the information come from? From neta or cornet said?
        Talk to Luhansk residents. In the majority, they are "enthusiastic" am from Plotnitsky.
        1. Logall
          Logall 22 November 2017 09: 10 New
          11
          I’m going to Rostov Donetsk for the New Year, I’ll call in Izvarino, I’ll talk. I will inform, so to speak, firsthand!
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 22 November 2017 09: 32 New
            +2
            Probably there you will find Plotnitsky. There is such infa for yesterday.
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 22 November 2017 09: 46 New
        +6
        Something about Zakhar, especially do not write disgusting things? In the LPR, sabotage walks, as at home. All resonant murders in the LPR are not disclosed. Still to continue? Humanitarian aid, coal ....
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 22 November 2017 19: 11 New
          0
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          In the LPR, sabotage walks, as at home.

          Saboteurs? I don’t think so.
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 22 November 2017 16: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Logall
        Everything is muddy there, And no one will tell you the truth ...


        Everything is very muddy there ... Especially remember the articles on VO even a year, two years ago .... Yes, and a series of deaths of leaders precisely ...
        We can only guess ...
    4. dSK
      dSK 22 November 2017 08: 39 New
      +5
      Hello Stas! A carpenter is a civilian, perhaps a talented economist, but in wartime he would have been more successful, such as Zakharchenko.
      TV "Tsargrad": - "The militias of the Luhansk People's Republic managed to intercept a group of Ukrainian saboteurs who tried to infiltrate the territory of the LPR with the aim of carrying out terrorist attacks. Such information was shared in the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the republic. It is reported that an intelligence and sabotage group tried to secretly cross the border LPR Monday night to Tuesday. Law enforcement agencies of the republic managed to capture most of the saboteurs, but some still managed to escape. Currently, they are being searched for in the LPR. It is worth noting that a week earlier the LPR Ministry of Internal Affairs reported that the activity of Ukrainian saboteurs on the contact line increased sharply. Reconnaissance groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively conducting mining of adjacent territories, and they’re constantly trying to collect intelligence about the positions of the militias. "
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 22 November 2017 19: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: dsk
        Carpenter civilian, perhaps he is a talented economist

        Actually, the Carpenter personnel officer (((
    5. dvina71
      dvina71 22 November 2017 09: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      Fucking “Minsk” ... Now, the thief and the traitor, the carpenter’s, there’s nothing to be afraid of .. His signature under the agreement is ...

      I don’t know why this stupidity started .. But in the practice of the contract they live longer than the people who signed them .. this is not a pawnshop. So “Minsk” was signed not by Plotnitsky, but by the head of the self-proclaimed republic, what is his last name .. absolutely not important.
    6. avt
      avt 22 November 2017 10: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      Fucking “Minsk” ... Now, the thief and the traitor, the carpenter’s, there’s nothing to be afraid of .. His signature under the agreement is ...

      wassat Just chtol fool And here ,, Minsk "!? Plotnitsky signed as the head of the subject in accordance with the post. Even if Cornet is in his place, de jure he must withdraw the signature as the new head of the unrecognized republic. No, well, it’s up to that senility straight -
      Party and Lenin -
      twin brothers
      who is more
      is mother story valuable?
      We are talking Lenin
      mean -
      the consignment,
      We talk
      the consignment,
      mean -
      Lenin.
      V.V.Mayakovsky
      bully Now local sofa analytics began to be rubbed by analogy - ,, We say -Plotnitsky, we mean the Lugansk People’s Republic! " fool
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 22 November 2017 10: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: avt
        And here ,, Minsk "!? Plotnitsky signed as the head of the subject in accordance with the post. Even if Cornet is in his place, de jure he must withdraw the signature as the new head of the unrecognized republic.

        Who and what will be able to sign, withdraw, without "good" to something from the Center? And for some reason, the Center has developed a rather reverent attitude towards the enslaving and destructive Minsk agreements for the DPR and LPR;
        1. avt
          avt 22 November 2017 11: 19 New
          +4
          Quote: Separ DNR
          And for some reason, the Center has developed a rather reverent attitude towards the enslaving and destructive Minsk agreements for the DPR and LPR;

          Here I have a question for everyone who is straight across Hasek -, “To Belgrade!”, Only ONE question - And why, even with the live Mozgovoy, exactly before the “Minsk” people could not close the second ring behind the reservoirs?
          Quote: Separ DNR
          For some reason, the Center has developed a very reverent attitude ...

          Well, we already heard this from Girkin / Strelkov - ,, Putin! Enter the troops! "So just a minute, try to think about just one thought - import substitution." Manturov, for example, promised to hold it at the beginning of the maydaun affairs by 2017, the ministers from the sofas on the site were yelling the same tomorrow. And now look at the photo of the frigates lowered from the slipways without the dvigl standing at the wall. On the fact that given the feeling in Lugansk, there can’t be a stable relationship between them on a small patch, and what can we say about the entire region, not to mention New Russia. Understand yourself, prepare a personnel reserve for new territories, and then show it
          Quote: Separ DNR
          For some reason, the Center has developed a very reverent attitude ...

          throw it.
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 22 November 2017 11: 35 New
            +6
            Quote: avt
            In fact, given the feeling in Lugansk, they can’t stably build relationships with each other on a small patch, and what can we say about the region as a whole, not to mention Novorossia? Understand yourself, prepare a personnel reserve for new territories, and then throw .

            God forbid! What are the presentations?!?
            And the personnel reserve ... So your "cadres" are also preparing it. At least in the sphere of power structures.
            I will open "Terrible Military Secret"(and in fact the" Secret of the General "): Our units from the regimental to the battalion level, inclusive, are commanded by advisers from one of our neighboring countries ... And accordingly, their orders, instructions and requirements are executed exclusively.
            In the LPR, this “custody” of certain structures from ..... of course is somewhat tougher than ours, but we are not deprived of attention either.

            And in general: What "new territories" did you dream about?
            US At least YOUR OWN Pick up.
            1. Burbon
              Burbon 22 November 2017 12: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: Separ DNR
              I will open the "Terrible Military Secret" (and in fact the "Secret of the General"): Our units from the regiment to the battalion level, inclusive, are commanded by advisers from one of our friendly neighboring countries.

              what a secret .. DNR-under the GRU, and the LC-PMC ( laughing ) ... it's already 3 years as voiced
            2. avt
              avt 22 November 2017 13: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: Separ DNR
              At least in the field of power structures.

              request ,, You can do everything with bayonets, you can’t just sit on bayonets "I have written more than once - war is not an end in itself! If you fail to build a sane governance structure for CIVIL life, then in the medium term you will lose EVERYTHING This leapfrog is the last call that I say .
              Quote: Separ DNR
              Quote: avt
              In fact, given the feeling in Lugansk, they can’t stably build relationships with each other on a small patch, and what can we say about the region as a whole, not to mention Novorossia? Understand yourself, prepare a personnel reserve for new territories, and then throw .
              And in general: What "new territories" did you dream about?
              US At least YOUR OWN Pick up.
              Palyty naive! bully Without a real political goal, maximum and minimum, NO war has a goal! This will not be war, but looting. And here the question, “Cadres decide everything!” Arises sharply, because achievement of the set goal directly depends on them. But WHAT actually local elites keep in their heads is a question of questions. Especially for the exregional who , unlike the Crimean, betrayed their voters even at a rally in Kharkov under the then existing Ssynukovich. And now the question will be even tougher, with whom you are masters of art. * Oh, oh, so many really changing colors still want to be colorless Ukraine and that they rebuilt their GDP back, as before 2013, they will live near the sea-coast, and Russia with GDP at their head will be on their premises. And we need this ??? This is a weightless load for Russia. in the worst case scenario, a CIS-type ruin confederation is better. With subsequent work with each new entity separately. And the best way is to restore the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic to Transnistria and the other Getmanshchina. - Bandera reservation.
              1. Burbon
                Burbon 22 November 2017 19: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: avt
                In the worst case scenario, we are better off with a CIS-type confederation of Ruins, followed by work with each new entity individually. And optimal is the restoration of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic to Transnistria and the other Getmanshchina. - Bandera reservation.

                Do you yourself believe that?
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 November 2017 08: 26 New
    +4
    ... I don’t like this fuss ... and even Plotnitsky’s early statements about the return of the LPR to unnecessary ... all this is annoying, and the enemy is not asleep ... sad
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 22 November 2017 08: 27 New
      +9
      The information war continues ... All these publications about the situation in the LPR resemble idle speculation on the basis of crumbs of available information.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 22 November 2017 08: 31 New
        +6
        Jedi Today, 08:27

        ... so there is no smoke without fire, that something is going wrong ... I hope the appropriate comrades will correct Plotnitsky, if that ...
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 22 November 2017 08: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: aszzz888
          I hope the corresponding comrades will correct Plotnitsky, if that ...

          So be it, for confusion and vacillation in the LPR work in the hands of Kiev.
          1. Going
            Going 22 November 2017 08: 38 New
            +7
            So they also do not sleep, I think they are very active.
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 22 November 2017 08: 42 New
              +4
              There is no doubt about it.
      2. Going
        Going 22 November 2017 08: 31 New
        13
        Information gains weight on a par with weapons, it works very precisely, but it can also take place in areas.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 22 November 2017 08: 35 New
          +5
          Well said! good drinks
        2. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 22 November 2017 10: 38 New
          +4
          Quote: Going
          Information gains weight on a par with weapons, it works very precisely, but it can also take place in areas.

          1. Going
            Going 22 November 2017 10: 47 New
            +7
            Now you just need to understand who has the ring in his hand.
    2. Burbon
      Burbon 22 November 2017 08: 30 New
      +9
      Quote: aszzz888
      all this is annoying, but the enemy is not asleep ...

      In Kiev, they were completely dead of it .... they gathered and scratched their turnips .... either to be afraid or to go on the offensive ..... nevertheless decided that this was Putin’s cunning plan ....
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 22 November 2017 08: 33 New
        +4
        Burbon Today, 08: 30In Kiev, they themselves went nuts from this .... gathered and scratch turnips

        ... so, apart from the nasty things from the ukronatsiks, you should not expect anything ...
        1. Going
          Going 22 November 2017 08: 51 New
          +8
          It turns out that someone was ahead of them?
  3. Neputin
    Neputin 22 November 2017 08: 32 New
    +2
    Carpenter is probably still that beetle. And all this fuss is very reminiscent of Kiev, biting like spiders in a bank for power and control over financial flows. Maybe they are Russian there, but according to the mentality and life principles, Ukrainian ensigns are pure water. But Moscow really doesn’t interfere. The more mess in Ukraine, the more opportunities to achieve their goals and leverage on individual stealing characters.
  4. fif21
    fif21 22 November 2017 08: 42 New
    +3
    Evidence in the studio. Russia is not a party to the conflict in the LPR. Plotnitsky must explain to the public the reason for the removal of the head of the LPR Ministry of Internal Affairs from office. Cornet must provide evidence of the work of Plotnitsky’s entourage for the special services of Ukraine. The question of unification of the two republics is so acute that the delay in resolving it is similar to death. hi
    1. DivanVoyin
      DivanVoyin 22 November 2017 10: 42 New
      +1
      The evidence here is not appropriate, in other matters as well as unfoundedly blaming the events on the South-East Kremlin. Who needs it, he knows and is silent, especially since he does not discuss on the Internet. When the "vulture subsides" in 50 years, something is possible and appear in the media. There are many examples of this: the events in Yemen, Angola, etc., spoke a lot about this, and only now a documentary appears in the media (and it’s not a fact that everything is objectively reflected) hi
  5. Kerensky
    Kerensky 22 November 2017 08: 50 New
    0
    Yes, people are tired of sitting in the trenches. Lugansk does not seem to be particularly swept, more Donetsk gets. A similar situation was with the Finns, during the war - revenge. The front has stabilized for years. Separate commanders of the bay, and the soldiers went to each other for tea. As a result, both we and the Finns had to disband several units "due to the complete loss of combat effectiveness." Here something similar seems to me.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 22 November 2017 09: 08 New
      +9
      Quote: Kerensky
      Separate commanders of the bay, and the soldiers went to each other for tea

      Didn’t they go to the Germans for tea? What nonsense are you carrying in the morning. The Finns are helping to block the city in which people die of starvation and bombing, and "ours" to them for tea? And to whom, to the Finns. fool
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 22 November 2017 10: 50 New
        0
        Yes. That is exactly what happened. Not in the first year, but in the second and third it was. How would you not want to not know about it. Yes, and me too.
        Didn’t they go to the Germans for tea?

        But the Germans didn’t share the wells with the neutrals by our time? Also nonsense and a military bike ?!
        My grandfather’s aunt was under occupation. The Germans came, asked where the tools were, repaired the fence and porch. The gate seems to be the same too ... One was a barrel maker, one carpenter, one polygraphist (he printed playing cards). Then they said: "We are leaving. Leave with us, - the SS men will come, - they are animals. And a convoy of civilians went across the Volga ice to occupied Kalinin ....
        1. reservist
          reservist 22 November 2017 12: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Kerensky
          But the Germans didn’t share the wells with the neutrals by our time?

          shared, a cousin said, nobody wanted to drag water over 40 km across the steppe ... but they drank tea separately and it was dumb to go to the neutral to get water ...
          1. Kerensky
            Kerensky 23 November 2017 08: 16 New
            0
            You see!
            At one time, we formed three detachments, based on rotation. On paper, there were only two people. Then we went for 45 days. So the young "unmarried", without children, generally did not descend from the mountains, - all the "volunteers" on paper. I was lucky, my son was born in August 1999.
            So even there were silence pacts. And here they stick around for years ...
            1. reservist
              reservist 23 November 2017 19: 05 New
              0
              Well, an agreement on silence, it’s not to drink tea together ...
  6. NordOst16
    NordOst16 22 November 2017 09: 20 New
    +1
    Mmm ... the struggle for power and money. It looks like a pig fight in a stable. I think the Kremlin plays a direct role in this circus.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 22 November 2017 09: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: NordOst16
      I think

      To think .. I need information and facts .. and you come up with ..
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 22 November 2017 14: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: dvina71
        To think .. I need information and facts .. and you come up with ..

        But there is information. Given that all the authorities of the DLNR are puppet, completely and completely dependent on the Kremlin’s curators, the Kremlin will undoubtedly be involved in this conflict.
  7. gorenina91
    gorenina91 22 November 2017 10: 00 New
    +4
    -Yes, that Plotnitsky ... is all the intrigues of Surkov ... -this is all the results of the "Surkov activity" in Ukraine ...
    - It’s not clear only ... -and that Putin trusts him so much ..? - From Surkov any betrayal should be expected ...
  8. JonnyT
    JonnyT 22 November 2017 10: 26 New
    +2
    Carpenter all - they say now in Russia is frantically seeking support and a way to "save face". LNR and DNR unite!
  9. DivanVoyin
    DivanVoyin 22 November 2017 10: 36 New
    +1
    At last! They began to call the LPR (direct text), no self-proclaimed ones there. LC and the point!
  10. Fedorov
    Fedorov 22 November 2017 10: 44 New
    +3
    wink On VO radio, few dared to say live, That the FSB was lapping there .. And without them, nothing really happens.
    Guys - Guys - Work!
  11. Eurodav
    Eurodav 22 November 2017 10: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Fucking “Minsk” ... Now, the thief and the traitor, the carpenter’s, there’s nothing to be afraid of .. His signature under the agreement is ...

    Facts of theft and betrayal? And not rumors, but facts! You, Stas, live in Russia, but how do you know? Somewhere they heard something, the grandmother on the bench said?
  12. Eurodav
    Eurodav 22 November 2017 10: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: gorenina91
    -Yes, that Plotnitsky ... is all the intrigues of Surkov ... -this is all the results of the "Surkov activity" in Ukraine ...
    - It’s not clear only ... -and that Putin trusts him so much ..? - From Surkov any betrayal should be expected ...

    Did Irina personally betray you personally? Where such confidence?
    1. gorenina91
      gorenina91 22 November 2017 19: 33 New
      +1
      -Yes, I betrayed me personally, and everyone who hoped for fruitful affairs for the good of Russia, including betraying you (unless you are from "his cohort") ... -What did this Surkov when he was in the presidential administration. .. -Take it yourself and read it, open different sources and find out for yourself ...
      -Is it was necessary to send such a man as Surkov to Ukraine (our president was clearly misled) ... ... they sent at least people like ... like Rogozin D.O. or Bagdasarov S.A.
  13. Eurodav
    Eurodav 22 November 2017 10: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: dvina71
    Quote: NordOst16
    I think

    To think .. I need information and facts .. and you come up with ..

    And to come up with the easiest way, to read and think in FIGs? The tops got a hold of, where they heard something ... and bring down VO ... brilliant intellect ...
  14. Eurodav
    Eurodav 22 November 2017 11: 00 New
    0
    Quote: SofaWarrior
    The evidence here is not appropriate, in other matters as well as unfoundedly blaming the events on the South-East Kremlin. Who needs it, he knows and is silent, especially since he does not discuss on the Internet. When the "vulture subsides" in 50 years, something is possible and appear in the media. There are many examples of this: the events in Yemen, Angola, etc., spoke a lot about this, and only now a documentary appears in the media (and it’s not a fact that everything is objectively reflected) hi

    Ofigit position, evidence is not appropriate here! And we, Europe, criticize America, 200 times in each news ... And it exists according to your principle!
  15. Hauptmann_07
    Hauptmann_07 22 November 2017 12: 13 New
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    It seems to me, comrades, this is another grand opser. Soon in this regard, an independent catch-up.
  16. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 22 November 2017 12: 32 New
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    In the "goiter" breath was stolen from the power of the rulers of the young republics. It would not have played too much.
  17. dvvv
    dvvv 22 November 2017 12: 40 New
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    so what? If there is his signature as a private person, then it is important, but if as a position, it is unlikely. If he had an accident and killed himself, would the agreement end? Frenchman re-elected and agreements have not changed
  18. Wolka
    Wolka 22 November 2017 15: 27 New
    +1
    everything is not clear, but the truth is somewhere in between ...
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 23 November 2017 06: 21 New
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      I. Plotnitsky is not accused of anything. I. Cornet speaks (and emphasizes this) about his environment.
  19. weksha50
    weksha50 22 November 2017 16: 18 New
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    "" The events in Lugansk are the internal affairs of the LPR ""...

    Ahem ... Would smile ... at another time ... Yes, now something is not up to smiles ...
    Either the abscess is opened, or the cancerous tumor is spreading ...
    It remains only to wait ... for us, in VO, at least ...
  20. Midshipman
    Midshipman 22 November 2017 19: 19 New
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    Looks like Brezhnev .. Has he really earned so many medals on the battlefield?
  21. raif
    raif 22 November 2017 19: 28 New
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    laughing test picture - the stripe on the belly is straight in the style of Emperor Nicholas II. he, too, was a modest guy — wrote in the questionnaire "the owner of the Russian land" fool
  22. terapevt
    terapevt 23 November 2017 07: 12 New
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    A great war always begins with provocations and throws into the information sphere ... It seems that the moment has ripened there. People are tired of living under shelling, they want to live without fear for life ... But a "golden" toilet can always be found. If he doesn’t even exist at all ...